Warcraft RTS is DEAD... But these might be better!

[@Zade_95]

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[@CaosGod]

Microsoft betrayed us when they created Age Of Empires Online. You can't expect much from Warcraft, what a rip-off. They took the name out of nostalgia, using it for marketing, sold the AOE title to Cores and turned it into a generic Gatcha for mobile that only has the title of the game and is a totally different game. In the end, it's just a rip-off, a Vegas slot machine that doesn't have a gram of similarity to AgeOfEmpires, an RTS.

[@CaosGod]

Someone should teach them what an RTS is and the difference from a gatcha game. Someone should teach them what an RTS is and the difference from a gatcha game But they are only interested in making a slot machine. I'm going to predict it but most likely they will close those games soon after raising a lot of money and the money will disappear somewhere like they always happen all the times.

[@dr.killjoy5001]

15 hour campaign is not enough. Should be at least 60-80 hours.

[@Stukov961]

The value of a great single player campaign is severely undervalued. Starcraft and Brood War didn't become one of the most famous esports titles in the world on the back of some mystical perfectly balanced multiplayer. It has a cool campaign with a cool setting and cool characters that got people interested and invested in the game

[@EduFirenze]

🎯

[@lazyjanner]

The campaign of the first Starcraft was so damn good!

[@GraveUypo]

@@lazyjanner the campaign in the second one might be ever better if i'm honest. not the story, it sucks, but the campaign itself is super good

[@CoffeeKitty.]

UMS and custom maps are the biggest factor imo that kept those games relevant for years, i'll die on that hill

[@lukewind13]

The fact that 2.0 of warcraft reforged had the content that was supposed to get us hyped for the initial launch is so horrifically mismanaged it almost comes across as deliberate.

[@MrRodrigues520]

Still missing interpolated animations. The game runs at 144fps but not the characters

[@ChiefCrewin]

It just feels like example #5829485 of the modern day gaming industry. Release u finished product to make money, fix later to spread out investment cost. Honestly, if Hollywood could patch movies the weight games can be (there are a couple notable examples) they would in a heartbeat.

[@Mossmyr]

What are you talking about? The new textures are still shit and new bugs have been introduced.

[@Stukov961]

It's so weird that WC3 got so absolutely mangled, but starcraft remaster is literally perfect

[@Azraiel213]

You would be able to hear Korea's displeasure from Antarctica if they fucked that up, @@Stukov961. As much as I adore Warcraft 1-3 they are not as relevant today as Starcraft is, so more talent and effort probably went into that project than the Warcraft Reforged programs.

[@Defixio.]

warcraft 4 would be a live service hero shooter, wherein they cherry pick the most unpopular characters.

[@Zade_95]

do NOT give them ideas

[@lusians3]

@@Zade_95 don't worry they already are salivating over fortnite

[@DmytroBogdan]

They have that game already. It's called HotS, and it failed.

[@michalpiotrgorecki]

@@DmytroBogdan What is fun about hots is it STILL has tons of players. It is a great game and recently i came to realisation I'm very glad its considered a dead game. It's hard to improve it. Rare balance changes are enough. Were it left as an ongoing project, it would be destroyed. Its one of games that are too good for player. just playing gives you more than enought in game currency to buy everything, loot boxes are super rewarding, theres a lot of maps and characters. You can leave the game for half the year and come back tot he same experience. I'm so glad hots "failed", couse that made it biggest blizzard success in recent 10 years.

[@DmytroBogdan]

@@michalpiotrgorecki that is probably why its still enjoyable. They stopped milking it.

[@armelior4610]

It's funny how the Scouring artstyle looks more like Warcraft than Refudged... Godsworn looks like a mix of Age of mythology and Warcraft 3 and that's obviously a good thing

[@darkcyter]

"Refudged" 😂 Can I use it?

[@cegesh1459]

It really dosen't it looks like trash

[@myles5276]

I loved basebuilding in the og warcraft.

[@Thalaranthey]

scouringis soooooo bad game atm tho, snobally with 4 units and cannons are extremely weird and cant even hit buildings xD legit worse than warcraft 1

[@snuffeldjuret]

@@cegesh1459 looks like the wow mobile thing or at least as I recall it

[@theexile4694]

Blizzard died when Activision bought them.

[@Zade_95]

☠️

[@30Salmao]

And now with Microsoft is going throu a new age.

[@nuclearicebreaker]

Nah it was cooked before that. Vivendi ownership sucked too. Looking back, I'm not sure how great they were. The older I get the more I think that they made Brood War out of iteration and luck And its actually Blizzard North who was the quantum gemerald all along

[@wurzelbert84wucher5]

@@nuclearicebreaker I disagree, Warcraft 3, Frozen Throne and WoW Vanilla (to a lesser extent TBC) were masterpieces as well.

[@zergilli9719]

​@@wurzelbert84wucher5the merger with activision happened around 2005/2006. That was after those came out. Blizzard is still good. There's just a lot of whinning and complaining on the internet by whinney man-children that would be homeless without their moms taking care of them.

[@Sharpypus]

Not applicable to every company out there, but... when a company becomes a corporation, this is often the start of the end of quality products. The Scouring and Godsworn both look amazing, thanks for bringing them to our radar, I'll be wishlisting and picking both of these up!

[@TeslaDeCastaka]

Yes, because when Blizzard was buyed, mostly against the will of the members, they leave in mass, that happen just after finishing WoW and right before the delusional warcraft 3. The last one of the original dev leave some years ago.

[@nuclearicebreaker]

That narrative is incorrect. Blizzard was huge and evil under Vivendi too. The only people who spun gold first try was Blizzard North with Diablo 2. Even Brood War, the greatest game of all time, was made through iteration. Warcraft I, II and III all have irreconciliable balance issues that make them imperfect for competition. But everything else they've done ranges from mid to trash, and this goes back to well before Activision. Were they ever that good to begin with? I'm starting to question it.

[@space3b]

Godsworn really looks like I would bee interested in once it hits 1.0.

[@Zade_95]

I think it'll be a good one!

[@KiltedCritic]

Warcraft 3 Reforged 2.0 is totally borked. 🙁 Went from 200 odd FPS before the rollout to now barely hitting 60, with tons of microstutter, even on singleplayer. Blizzard aren't even fronting up the resources to do this right, so there is indeed absolutely no hope for any new titles, but at this kind of "quality" from them, that's for the best anyway.

[@cpugwash7085]

Yeah, it's ridiculous. Save-load didn't even work properly in singleplayer when I last tried it, when you load in to campaign games there's frequently something messed up quite badly. That's such a basic thing, breaking it shows they've messed something up at a really fundamental level.

[@IVPixel]

works fine for me then again I'm using a pirated version because blizzard isn't getting any of my money

[@almas4663]

You're so spoiled. Seriously, brat-level..."OH NO! THE GAME RUNS IN 60 FPS!"....What's next? "OH NO! THE VIDEO IS IN 1080P!"

[@KiltedCritic]

@@almas4663 Nope, you just can't read or otherwise lack basic comprehension.

[@MadsTrier]

The scouring is really good. 1. healing potions need a cooldown. 2. knights needs to be faster.

[@Azraiel213]

I sent a request to playtest as soon as I saw this video!

[@Shimamon27]

I agree. And that's the fun part - It's a game that just needs balancing and tweaking. Even in it's most basic form it already delivers just on the playtest level! I was surprised how much fun I had with so little, the Wacraft 2 community are going to fly all over it!

[@Thalaranthey]

srsly? i'd put it in top 5 worst RTS i've ever touched. 4 boring units to choose from(including very clunky to use cannon), EXTREME turtling and the fact that archers counter cavlary is funny to me. feels like it lacks strategy, instead its just build 10 barracks and 30 farms, mass units and set them zerg style

[@THAC0MANIC]

I think the major issue with modern day RTS Games is they do not understand about how to make a Proper Macromanagement system in there game, they focus 2 much on Micro, even SC2 Had this issue during WoL terran primary army comp was spamming the MMM Ball which only changed base on opponant and what they did, it was predictible in terms of Strat, but not predictible in terms of Micromanagement till Games can have decent Balance and good Macromanagement in there RTS among other things, They will not be good RTS games period.

[@lilpipe7162]

What are the best current current ones in ur opinion ?

[@Virmant0ff]

The scouring has AI assistant. It helps a lot.

[@Cawfeesomething]

I think they should add the option of adding squad formation into their assigned groups. Instead of a ball, the units can automatically space themselves out without clumping and form into v-formation squads or whatever.

[@Fullgrym]

I'm not sure about that. Warhammer 40k Dawn of War (the first one) pretty much lacked any kind of macro management and it is one of the best RTS games IMO. I think it is a combination of requiring ultra-high APM and exploiting game mechanics due to that, like animation canceling, that is making the games feel awful. Also the sweatlords lol.

[@acolyte1951]

They ought to just slow down in game pace

[@phyvo]

"anyone can make a game if they work hard" but by god you have to really, really, really work hard if you're going solo. And by that I mean spending a lot of time (that you might not even have) learning very disparate skills and probably developing a number of small games before you have learned enough to design whatever dream game you have in your head right now. Any kind of art is hard, and if you're going to do it you're going to need to approach it with the understanding of an adult but the mentality of a small child. That is, pursue it for yourself and your own pleasure and interest, be inspired by your favorites, focus on your own progress rather than comparing your art to others, be undeterred by failure or feelings of sucking because that is just a part of learning, be patient with yourself, revel in your small victories, and don't quit your day job unless you're independently wealthy.

[@DavidGlendaleArdenaso]

DotA 2 also has the potential to have RTS (custom games) if only Valve would just improve its support

[@Alexstyle86]

Warcraft 3 -> Dota Allstars -> DotA 2 -> Defens of the Region (Warcraft clone?) Let's go back to the root of DotA 2

[@turntsnaco824]

Dude...a Warcraft III successor coming out of a game that's based on a Warcraft 3 Custom Map would be CRAZY. 😂 I need this to happen so bad.

[@AnthroTsuneon]

Modern RTS' war on colourful/artistic UI will never cease to disappoint me, but Scourge looks like it might be fun. Godsworn just isn't quite for me-- Not bad, but not for me-- But it's good that it's stimulating the market

[@Alexstyle86]

The sound comparison at 8:47 is not fair tbh. Empire Earth also has same sounds for the barracks. I would say it's a generic soldier marching sound that you can find everywhere.

[@CHEBCAEI.F]

Spellforce 3 reforged is twice the game warcraft 3 og was

[@darkranger116]

they call it The Scouring, and it looks like the scouring.. and yet my brain keeps telling me its a Magicka RTS lolol

[@ubiquidade]

People are refusing to accept Blizzard is dead and most of the great devs from the old days are long gone. A name alone does not a company make.

[@pedrojustice]

both games have that brown realistic generic hue that just kills it for me. look at 5:14, how color makes everything pop and you know whats going on.

[@slydoorkeeper4783]

Realistic is better used when you don't need as much readability, games that try to imitate WarCraft (especially 3) need a lot of readability and that is something people need to understand. That is why the units have some exaggerated features, so you can instantly look at something and know what it is.

[@kairos468]

Retro gaming is the answer for me. I just got Civilisation II: Test of Time running on my Win 10 laptop with the help of a community patch, and I'm far more excited to play that again than any overpriced modern release. The future of gaming is embracing its past.

[@snuffeldjuret]

nice :) I just cant deal with the visuals of civ2 sadly hilariously enough I think civ1 looks gorgeous XD

[@windwalker000]

Clickbait. I was expecting you to actually argue how these newer games are better...instead it's just another hope & pray promotion

[@TheMrYadrian]

0:41 the answer is 'no'.

[@iamnarnoo]

starts at 2:45

[@sanguinius3938]

Damn, i thought godsworn had launched already, i guess i'm gonna have to wait a bit more

[@rumplstiltztinkerstein]

The Scouring felt way more fun than I expected it to be. There is very little content in comparison to what we expect from full games. But the little there is, it is still very much fun. Currently there are only 4 units types in each faction. But they fulfill clear goals. There is little research, but the research there is, it is quite useful. None of that "+10% attack speed" or "+10% physical damage resistance" type of bloat.

[@AdmiralBison]

*Full controller support* for PC RTS games please. It's quicker and accessible without a kb/m set up or desk. SteamDeck verifiable and *handheld* PCs are going to become massive in a few years.

[@totally_not_a_troll]

I don't know which is which, but blizzard games used to use free assets. I'm pretty sure they have the wilhelm scream somewhere in the OG starcraft. I'm sure there are more. Some of these could be free assets.

[@EduFirenze]

I'm always amazed at these two man teams putting triple A to shame. Two people and look at that quality 😮

[@gabm.3270]

Honestly, I think RTS can only be truly revived by Indie devs. Indie devs on the other hand should focus on creating a nice gameplay loop coupled with content creators (or possibly becoming viral in the high seas) to gain followers. I mean warcraft started out as such being one of the most pirated game in the market. Becoming free to play in steam will only give out false first impressions though since most free to play games are either loaded with micro transactions or are poorly made games so they shouldn't make it entirely free to play but probably something easy to crack. Once they gain a foothold and enough publicity, they can then create a version 2 of the game which is also supposed to be a better version of the game with better graphics and more units/races/mechanics etc and then that's the time they could ask for a better price for their game. They also should remember their humble beginnings and not ask for too high of a price in their next game so people will actually buy it. Once they're in this spot then they should be good and invest on the game's framework for the modding community to kick in and the profits will now start pouring in. The devs shouldn't be complacent at this stage though since this is the stage where the game could either die out from obscurity or it becomes overpriced that it gains the negative type of publicity. Devs should also be looking at the modding community for improvements on their game and collaborate with modders into implementing their mechanics into their game creating a better version of such game onwards to a version 3 of the game where you'll be in the Blizzard level of spotlight or they could go through the Valve or Unreal route where they could just focus on creating the framework for other devs to create even better games. Sadly this is where most games really die out but it paves the way for a renaissance of interest in the genre helping more creative minds fulfill their dreams of creating their dream game.

[@KiuhKobold]

Seeing these two games, made by just two friends or one dude, it makes me hopeful and even proud. These people stand as proof that with love, dedication and knowledge, your 'pipedream' RTS CAN be made. you don't need a million dollar studio with hundreds of developers. Sure it makes it easy and takes the load off, but still, it is possible. Gives me hope that one day I'll see that time-travelling golem faction I fantasized so much run and fight on my screen. There is hope.

[@simounobrien9096]

I played both and I can safely say, if this is where the RTS genre is going, we are in for a very nice future.

[@securityostrich]

Thanks for covering these, as they are specifically the kind of rts many people are hoping for more of. There just hasn’t been anything like warcraft for a while. I tried godsworn and it looks really creative and promising but ultimately decided on a refund because there just isnt much game there yet. Will be looking again upon release though because what they have looks solid.

[@SmogBot]

What are some turn based strategy for beginners? I only play real-time but looking to get into turn based too

[@jacksheldon8566]

Age of wonder planetfall & 4, homm3 & 5, Song of conquest. W40k Gladius. For more advanced play, you have civ6,

[@Bagginsess]

Hearts of Iron Europa WH40k Battlesector WH40k Mechanicus Mechabellum Xcom 2 You can also try turn based CRPG's like the Baldur's Gate games, Divinity Original Sin, or Dragon Age Origins.

[@naveensilva2312]

The Scouring looks really impressive - love the rooftop/multilevel building feature, hope they add man-able walls too and a wave defence/survival feature. Can't wait!

[@Arcodus]

I have played both of these and they have heart! The Scouring's AI is a bit too strong for me currently and the Orc factions Ogre is rather baby proportioned but I look forward to seeing more from it

[@icarian553]

My hope is that with Microsoft we can hope to actually see RTS Warcraft 4 one day. They're pretty much the only big publisher right now that are showing some interest in the RTS genre with the Age games. Like Mythology Retold just game out and AOE 4 couple years ago. And both of them were quite good.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

I swear Godsworn took some inspiration from Populous 3.

[@RobNZ64]

Happy New Year Zade!

[@CorimKnight]

I hadn't heard about The Scouring before! It certainly looks great. There's a surprisingly dearth of Warcraft 3 style RTS games and that might end up filling that niche.

[@torgrimhanssen5100]

Honesty, the age of non player vs player RTS ended a long time ago. If you have not played games like "Planetary Annihilation - Titan's" Once you set the AI to max power it beats you due to "infinite" APM. (ground - air - orbit - water) I recall perfectly the 0.5s defeat scenario in Red Alert 2 after upgrading from a 1998 computer to a 2001 computer (CPU clock). There would be an engineer at your command center within the blink of an eye as soon as the match started due to "infinite" APM.

[@Chertograad]

2:42 "when huge companies with their massive overheads are either unable or unwilling..." That would be a considerably large nudge. Too large

[@Sadius100]

real glad you started this channel mate, tried Godsworn cuz of your recommendation and it's hella nice keep up the great work 👍

[@Zade_95]

Thank you! Really appreciate it :)

[@danch1691]

I enjoyed the Scouring demo! Are the developers plan to eventually release a Single player campaign story mode?

[@danielshoam5784]

where you download god sworn?

[@gtsimos]

The closest thing to what seems to be a warcraft upgrade with different lore is Spellforge 3, maybe they can make spellforge 4 soon.

[@GrohficSerpent]

great content. The Scouring looks so good

[@therealmcgoy4968]

Godsworn reminds me of battle realms mixed with Warcraft 3 and age of mythology.

[@nuclearicebreaker]

Godsworn looks great, but I'm skeptical of the the Scouring. Still, it looks like it has some cool physics, and a few ideas that look like they evolved from War2. Cool to see towers with ladders that units can climb. I wonder if there will be walls too? Would like to see how well the Scouring lends itself to tower defense tbh.

[@PIPPENHAUSER]

It really needs either A, some sort of dynamic rabble/formation AI, or B, the insertion of more physics based mechanics with gameplay effects- barreling through smaller troops, ladders, ditches, torches, etc for better siege/escalade gameplay, or something else to take the most basic gameplay of the first two warcraft games to a modern level, not just added units etc. I think agriculture, work, etc could be developed more, the physics of defenses/siege, anything to add more of a realism/sense of playing with a physically real world to a core gameplay which remains rooted in armies of orcs and humans battling over fortifications in a viscerally satisfying way- clever gameplay mechanics relying on math should be secondary to intuitive and visceral, emergent properties. Versmillitude in civilian or Gaia activity are a plus- would like to see meaning weather, wildlife, etc.

[@urmonatorgaming]

I tried Scouring..... got wrecked. I can't even fathom how my AI opponent out resourced me by x3 but I guess I gotta GIT GUD

[@CommanderBohn]

Agreed. WarCraft as an RTS game is dead. There is no hope that Blizzard would create a 4th game. Not in the state they are currently (nobody of the original old guard are around anymore, it's DEI infested, and much more), not with the current state of the setting (they would have to retcon WoW into an alternate timeline), nor with current corporate culture (DEI and shoving microtransactions even into single-player modes). In a perfect timeline, we could've had WarCraft 4 with 6 factions who have 6 heroes and have 6 sub-factions in the style of Kane's Wrath, with stuff like buildable and mannable walls (only Night Elves wouldn't build them and instead have thorns and bramble reinforcing their buildings and ancients) and naval units from WCII. Maybe even taking notes from Armies of Exigo and include an underground level where you can also build bases in and be spacious enough to allow flying units to enter. But nope. Nope at all. We instead get more WoW that is getting more ridiculous and stale with each expansion.

[@razorback9999able]

And that is why I hate the video game industry's consolidation into just a handful of familiar game franchises and accessible genres. The real reason why RTS games are not as popular as they seem anymore is because the average attention span of casual players are declining, thanks to the absolute, catastrophic disaster that is brainrot social media, that they prefer convenience and ease rather than real challenge. There weren't many developers of the youngest generations making RTS, so a WarCraft-styled RTS that lives up to it's title is very unlikely to happen.

[@CommanderBohn]

@@razorback9999able A sad and brutal truth this is and I must agree with it. I wish the olden days where internet culture was not like it is today remained and where people didn't have short attention spans. That and when activists didn't hijack the industry to consistently ruin everything we loved and cared about.

[@razorback9999able]

@@CommanderBohn The biggest crimes committed by the filthy rich is hijacking activist groups to warp the message into something that they only want, while redirecting the blame based on immutable characteristics. This is where all industries, not just video games start to suffer.

[@ricardom.r.finkelstein1795]

@@CommanderBohn bro, i too believed in DEI and woke shit, and then i turned 18. seriously, what a stupid ass reasoning. i think this kind of comment should be deleted, this gamer bro incel kind of crap

[@asddap]

10:03 That's basically the idea of the original WC3 dota allstars. So, a MOBA-esque mode?

[@ryancparker]

Warcraft 3 is alive and well with a strong community and a thriving international pro scene.

[@nimay13]

Watching Pro players play RTS is boring. Most of the time you can’t make heads or tails. Things either move so fast or the other failed the starting phase and concede.

[@ryancparker]

@ WC3 is fun to watch and easy to follow. That’s what makes it so good.

[@nimay13]

@@ryancparker I'll pass, RTS should've died a long time ago.

[@Thalaranthey]

Huh i guess godsworns icons are some stock bought? cuz i've seen most of them in different games The scourge seems more EE 1 inspired in terms of building looks and sounds, its im quite sure the barracks have exact same sound and look like them as well except turned by 90degrees

[@therealmcgoy4968]

The scouring looks good and i played the play test. It still needs a lot of work but I wish listed it.

[@Zade_95]

Yeah 100%. Great proof of concept though!

[@SomeBuddy555]

i miss RTS games. definitely will try these games

[@mamuh3316]

Goodsworn - looks great, definitely planning to play the campaign when it's fully out. The Scouring - it looks very smooth and has a great art style, BUT! We already have Warcraft 3 to play and it's a god damn great game. If this game wants to be worthwhile it needs to do something else as well, something more than just copy an older game and give it a new coat. Rooftops are a nice addition, but it's not enough. I am always a bit sceptical of new releases that just copy older games too closely (same goes for Tempest Rising), that alone is not enough for a game to be good. I hope The Scouring can come up with an appeal of its own.

[@MSordernature]

Scouring's terrain looks amazing

[@Zade_95]

I know right! The death animations too are great, perfect Ragdolls imo

[@badfoody]

i hope we can get even mods that would let us fight the wars in WoW. Draenor would be so sick as a Warcraft premise steampunk and all

[@YurGa1980]

While I do want those indie games to succeed, I struggle to see how they could match wc3 (not the reforged one) quality in any aspect with such small teams. Heck even spellforce 3 and stuff like stormgate are plagued by typical rts pitfalls despite having much bigger teams (and couple of expansions in sf3 case).

[@borisrusinov3980]

I mean, there might be no real hope of Warcraft 4 (which has been a sentiment for ages now, reforged just revived that baseless hope for a short bit), but calling it dead might be a bit of a misnomer, given that the custom maps scene is still going strong, being the thing that actually did something of a revival due to reforged. Reckon it'll continue keeping us atleast afloat like it's been doing for...damn, 20 years now and counting. That aside, appreciate the attention focus on the potential main game spiritual successors!

[@DanceHallGooniesz]

Yo that 1 guy doing the scouring doing gods work, very excited for that

[@SnW_Wolf]

all they had to do was to use the warcraft 3 campaign editor to make warcraft 4...

[@Randomdudeonyouright]

They would bring it to life if they would bring warcraft to mobile devices. They are popular and this would be an awesome game to play on the go.

[@Shimamon27]

I played the Scouring on the playtest... It's exactly what I wanted out of blizzard and never got pretty much, can't wait to see more what's done with it!

[@DarkFlightStudios]

You should check out that new RTS Conquest of Eldinar, it's just like Warcraft 3 but with Action Combat and 16 Factions

[@tau2213]

So nothing like Warcraft 3, then.

[@phyvo]

@@tau2213 I looked it up and it's not even a top-down perspective, it's got "cheap flash game" written all over it.

[@MangaGamified]

I now love RTS more, mainly because I got burned-out from 1v9 from mobas with huge skill difference from the other 9 players, either we NTR the enemy team, or they NTR ours, there's literally no close game, all one-sided massacre.

[@ginoh007]

Wish I was in the timeline where Blizzard made Warcraft 4 and WoW 2

[@Romanian901]

Can you check out Empire of the Ants? It's a casual but fun RTS/platformer game

[@pedrocastro5514]

the Godsworn needs a liiiiittle more polishing and a little more variety to be perfect if you ask me xD I'm even fantasizing that, someday, they'll add a new faction, maybe actual demons or eldritch/lovecraftian cults, it would be Awesome XD but so far Is an awesome game! :D About the Scouring i've been watching some videos and so far looks pretty damn good, of course, needs to add more units and magic, and I think they need to work the artillery units a little, but so far looks awesome and incredibly promising as well :D great video!! nwn

[@woo22-q8l]

Still Warcraft 3 to this day is an amazing game. I hope that MS makes things better and I know people already say that nothing has changed but that’s not entirely true. First of all every live service game they now have gets constant support and updates, that was not the case before. Also, I doubt they would have done the big patch of w3 and the small but frequent patches on hots before MS. Lastly, I think people judge MS too quickly but It’s only been a year of the acquisition and such a big change I feel needs some time for things to settle. I feel like 2025 will be the year where we actually see the impact or lack of of Microsoft.

[@roriegilligan8134]

I've put both of these on my Steam wish-list to check out later.

[@wanaan]

Unit speed in Song of Slience makes it look less less micro intensive than Wc3, which is probably good for me.

[@darkcyter]

Waiting for The Scouring to fully launch, it has potential

[@Sound_Tech]

Was never a Warcraft fan, played Age of Mythology, Empire Earth, and Red Alert myself, but I'm interested nonetheless. These games look great

[@Leikjarinn]

there can only be one lord of the rings battle for middle earth 2

[@messaroundhandleit]

I recently found ''the scourge'' game. I thought it was very fun for a basic little demo. I have high hopes for it. Sad that blizz not only dropped the ball on wc3, they didn't even pick it up, let alone dust it off, not that wasn't shocking, considering they do that with all their games now. I don't preorder most games now. Glad some games I thought about or even preordered did beta test before release. For example warhammer 40k darktide, if it wasn't for the beta test I would've been suckered into that mess, sad really considering vermintide and 2 were pretty good.

[@francosaldanavelasco5662]

I don't see my beloved Spellforce 3 👀

[@chadsix]

the barracks sound, sounds more like Rome total war

[@ronbelcher2707]

I left WoW 3 years ago and never looked back

[@Stukov961]

Personally, I left in early cata, had played since vanilla. I resubbed for a month a while back, had fun reliving some nostalgia for a couple of weeks. After thst I reached the conclusion that it wasn't the game I missed, but the people and moments of years past. I also typed /played on my old main, saw 98d, immediately logged out and tried not to think about just how much sunk time that is.

[@lostmarble540]

horses can't climb ladders. yet.

[@Zade_95]

😳

[@TheSrbBrownBear]

Juan.

[@Xport9]

Horses can't climb ladders? Why I never!

[@TheTrueAdept]

The core problem is that RTS as a genre ignored what FPS (and later TPS) did: codify the genre's 'core' mechanics and ensure that it never goes into 'difficulty cliff' territory. Effectively make it easy to jump from one RTS to another with minimal relearning. RTS as a genre is exceptionally resistant to this, partially due to the fandom. People hate that FPS and TPS are 'samey', but that 'samey' is what allowed them to dominate the gaming sphere. You can pick up post-original CoD FPS/RE4 TPS and play practically every other FPS or TPS in the market after that point without relearning everything. RTSes tend to be of the 'practically relearn everything between franchises' kind of genre. You basically have to specialize for *_ONE_* franchise of RTS or practically do not play RTS at all... and I say this as an RTS player.

[@Eunostos]

reminder that immortal isn't a 'miss', they just don't have the same metrics as people who care about gaming :p

[@ShootingStar1313]

The King is dead. Long live the King(s)!

[@Lukaskovac-ex4nf]

Godsworn has real potential, The Scouring will be forgotten..

[@LockandLoad79]

My only gripe, the only one but it's a Big one, is it needs more than 2 faction for Godsworn and The Scourge. The Game is just too barren, too empty and quiet, with only two faction.

[@helvis7336]

did any of the Warcraft games have a skirmish mode?

[@ItalianSkeletonGaming]

I suggest looking into the Spellforce 3 trilogy, while it does things differently and is a bit janky, the campaigns are great

[@giano3715]

as far as modern RTS goes, AOE4 is one of the more unique ones in my experience.

[@ljumbergking]

Game name?

[@michalvrabec454]

listen, people will play warcraft 3 reforged regardless of the bad shape it is in right now, same with me, it sucks that warcraft 3 is dying but i guess the custom maps will keep it alive for eternity hopefully... either way even if no one played warcraft 3 reforged and it died completely i would simply create cool maps for myself and play them single player because the game is still amazing regardless of annoying bugs such as random sounds playing at random times, i have fun creating maps for that game

[@chrisdude2675]

thanks for bringing awareness to these games

[@Retax7]

Warcraft 4 exists and has two expansions. It's called spellforce 3

[@arthurjvnb]

Now I NEED to buy those 3 games (yes, even the sponsored one, which looks really cool) :D

[@KimHarderFog]

Godsworn looks (visually, style, camera, UI, etc) like the perfect match between Warcraft 3 and AoE 4

[@OrinThomas]

Remarkable achievements for such small dev teams

[@spirosmakris7142]

well the main issue why each company that was just amazing and then all of the sudden they start degrading rapidly (i think) is primarily of capitalism as a whole . With the open market anybody can invest in anything so when lets say blizzard got big then people from other fields that had nothing to do with gaming noticed them and were investing money into them as long as they were making results , this for short term is quite beneficial and starcraft 2 is a prime example of that . Starcraft 2 shook the industry to its core even tho it was a big financial flop , The problems start when the people who made the company great who made the games themselfs leave for X Y Z reason , then the investors basically take over the company either directly by just having more than 50% of the stocks or indirectly by choosing a CEO that would do primarily what they want which is to make everything as profitable as possible . That isn't the case for every major company but as far as i can tell this is essentially what happened to blizzard and EA . As for the reason why rts have fallen of fashion i think it comes down to a much simpler reason, lets say i have made starcraft 3 and its ready , by now i would have spent easily tens of millions dollars in budget , in staff payments , in advertisement and everything that is used now days , the only real way i would be able to make any kind of money in return would be to release it , place a 70 dollar price tag and hope to god that the marketing campaign will make it very big very quick . Even if this does happen then i would have made like **at most** 30-40% of the initial budget back , so people play the game , its great everybody is happy . Except the producers , RTS don't make consistant money . there is basically 0% chance of the producer actually breaking even from the budget . and again SC2 is a prime example of that .

[@winoodlesnoodles1984]

This became the basic problem for WoW. WoW went through all of the content for Warcraft, Warcraft 2 and Warcraft 3. They started making stuff up because they didn't have Warcraft 4 to draw ideas from. Thus, in reality, it stopped being the World of Warcraft. The purchase by EA didn't help this at all. That along with the Starcraft popularity is likely why Warcraft 4 never got made.

[@matt-z5j]

I wish blizzard would just copy starfcraft 2 with a warcraft theme. I would 100% pay money for it.

[@macbobXD]

Does no one understand what made warcraft 3 popular isn't the warcraft 3 itself its the damn World Editor that let people create their own stuff "WITHOUT LIMITS" and play them. The base game itself is not what attracted people. The models and the animations were so good in repurposing they became iconic. How hard is it to understand that?