Lords of War Part Two - Grommash

[@demidragon8111]

“But you didn’t explain how he managed to get off the tree!” “My king, he did not get off the tree, the tree ran away from him....”

[@Jasonlol73]

SavDroggo he became so thin he got out

[@beakerthefrog]

@TheSkyWhale That kind of weight loss takes weeks, and given that he lost a lot of muscle mass I think it's safe to say he was hanging there exposed to the elements for at least a month, probably longer.

[@ardilloardilloso3382]

He needed to drink ogre blood and eat ogre flesh to be strong again.

[@davidkalman3732]

huahahahaha

[@OGSpaceMarine]

“In many ways, the curse of our people began and ended with Grom. His name meant "Giant's Heart" in our ancient tongue. He earned that name a hundred fold as he stood alone before the demon Mannoroth - and won our freedom with his blood. Lok'Tar Ogar, Big Brother. May the Warsong never fade.”- Thrall, Warchief of the Horde

[@MsTwist96]

In my language Grom means Thunder. 💪🏻🇷🇸

[@099Nitro]

But the warsong did fade and have no leaders left.

[@doppelminds1040]

@@099Nitro They kinda became an institution of the modern Horde, like the Frostwolves in Alterac, but the old clan system pretty much ended with Thrall's Horde

[@099Nitro]

@@doppelminds1040 Yes and that is bad.

[@hunlepto2239]

@@099Nitro Not much to lead when the very first leader was the only reason the clan remained together.

[@phoenixdeux8988]

5:28 Hearing that warcry would shake an entire army on it's feet. What a legend.

[@msagzjr.4641]

Phoenix Deux That's why they call him Hellscream

[@jsc1jake512]

@@msagzjr.4641 yeah that's how the Hellscream last name was born because of their bloodcurdling warcry that's also how the Warsong Clan got their name because they always shout a warcry before they fight.

[@CBRN-115]

It reminded me of the zombie screams in COD zombies Yeah, I know I know but it kinda sounds familiar even just a bit

[@TheAgrizi]

Sounds even more menacing at 0,75 speed

[@alihammoura778]

역병으사 Exactly my thought

[@AlexSxntana]

Still watching these in 2023, best short stories Blizz ever done imo

[@bearjew51]

2024*

[@loganpowers4966]

Grommash has always and will always be my favourite warcraft character

[@stevanmiric5816]

+logan powers Everyone watches some motivational videos when they are down. Me, i watch this video every morning when i wake up to start my day on the right note.

[@feron_ve]

@Stevan Miric Careful you might accidentally slaughter someone the same way Grom does !

[@Demonkeeper]

Fuking oath brah !

[@toasterrobot8566]

BLACKHAND!

[@XDivi]

"Whatever you say..."

[@blakedouglas2076]

Varian and Maraad are so hammy. Imagine them at a restaurant. M: "My king, YOU MUST ACT! Place our order NOW, before it's too late!" V: "Are you mad? Marching blindly into dinner? There's too much at stake!" M: "Steak, yes! Let me tell you....of steak...."

[@hatcellucard599]

I legit stopped and snickered at this

[@schwif]

*Steak* hehehehhehe XD

[@aliezahjuarez1212]

Lmao😂😂😂

[@mortenpedersen763]

And Chef Uther and waiter Arthas are preparing the dinner? Glad you could bake it, Uther. Watch your tone with me, boy. You may be the waiter, but I'm still your superior as a chef. As if I could forgetti. Listen, Uther, there's something about the plaguette you should knead. Oh no... It's too late. These peopleroni have all been infectedanana. They may look al dente now, but its a matter of thyme before they turn into the unedible. What?

[@Sunnyislive25498]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Sussy_Spawny]

This wolf still has teeth love that line amazing work blizzard

[@Slyracoon666]

Grommash's workout program? He went from thinner than me to a mountain

[@Roof5tone]

+Obito Pretty sure being an orc is in itself a workout program..

[@werewolf15orlando]

+Obito Them orc genes, bro.

[@iraqlobster7678]

+Obito His diet involves a healthy meal of ogre meat :3

[@warcraftbible2149]

+Obito Aye, He has been hitting the gym and the steroids pretty hard lately after he escaped.

[@stevanmiric5816]

+Obito Slay 10,000 ogres and you'll be like Grommash

[@JoximusARTpage]

Easy to kill ogres when they have 50% chance to hit the wrong target

[@finnheisenheim8274]

Lol.... are you serious?

[@kroebear6377]

@@finnheisenheim8274 It's a reference

[@barondelaqua]

Joximus ART hearthstone logic 😅

[@8летнеменялник]

@@finnheisenheim8274 they liked each other

[@Ghazzawimj]

Its WOW not WH40K

[@mutegrab666]

The best part is when he roars while hefting his axe, as Hellscream isn't just a clever nickname.

[@knoobidade]

+mutegrab666 You mean Gorehowl! :)

[@mutegrab666]

Diogo Ferrão Yes, we all know the name of his axe.

[@blizzarduzi6946]

shut up yeah?

[@jsc1jake512]

according to Grommash's Wowpedia page: He didn't kill his mate Golka simply because he was disgusted at her weakness but because he lacked the strength to kill the one he loves

[@Iad83]

So he loved someone other than Golka?

[@elijahbutcher9522]

@@Iad83 No he loved Golka, he just couldn't find the strength within himself end her at her request, that's why he played it off as him being disgusted by her weakness, he just couldnt kill the one he loved

[@Iad83]

@@elijahbutcher9522 Ah I understand, thx.

[@elijahbutcher9522]

@@Iad83 No problem bro

[@minakoarisato1506]

Thank you I didn't know that😆

[@JM-xf8zi]

"This wolf still has teeth." Is now forever tattooed on my collar bone.

[@holylamp831]

Marissa Hruby that's quite the dedication. I want to get something frostwolf related

[@Archangel251]

I'd be scared shitless if I had to fight someone like grommash

[@manoftruth0935]

I would fight Grommash. Like him I would not back down!

[@Archangel251]

+David “Dragonwolf” Cappadoccia never said I'd back down. I said I'd be scared shitless

[@dranoshsaurfang9554]

Bout me bro?

[@dranoshsaurfang9554]

***** frostmourne

[@tj8870]

@@manoftruth0935 If your meaning of "fighting him" involves shitting in your pants and running to the hills then yes you would fight him. We would all fight him lol

[@kabrozkabroz]

Grom is already a badass for eating pomegranates without peeling them first

[@MukuonChannel]

+Just a Ghoul Well with those underbites, you won't have to.

[@kabrozkabroz]

Chara I understand, but the pomegranate skin and the leftovers of the little cells inside taste terrible

[@fishingmasterstudios9481]

he also ate his Ogre torturerer

[@BishtrainerTai16]

Its nice that in spite of his people being nearly driven to extinction, Maraad is a huge fanboy of orcs and orc stories.

[@NmLs42]

He could wait no longer

[@stoheha]

As badass as this cinematic was, I always found it dumb that they labeled Grom "I can wait no longer" Hellscream as the orc with an iron will. One of his most notable quotes literally indicates a lack of patience and restraint.

[@bounchofbeaners6627]

@@stoheha willpower doesn't require patience nor restraint..infact the words are quite synonymous.

[@tom3266]

@@stoheha I like to think it's different when he's trying to bait an ogre to step in melee range. A killer's instinct so strong, it's still working with the extremely limited options he has.

[@stoheha]

@@bounchofbeaners6627 I would be willing to argue it does. Resraint of impulses is in the literal definition of willpower.

[@bounchofbeaners6627]

@@stoheha but will power is what causes those restraints to occur.. therefore they are synonymous.. you need to use both words in a sentance to have that outcome... like a double negative.

[@NoirRaven]

This puts Grom's feelings in that short story into some much needed perspective. Sure, he could still resent his mate for giving into death so easily but I think it's the other way around. Grom couldn't kill her, he was the one that was weak and had no teeth at the time but like most, he can't own up to that so he blames Golka instead. The fact that he's haunted by it only proves as much!

[@TheRoboBro1513]

It's very interesting how they are portraying each warlord. They seem to be portrayed in both a dark and light side, as heroes of the horde mad enemies of the alliance. Amazing story telling

[@MikePhantom]

yes this was worthy of grom hellscream greatest orc in existance....after broxigar

[@PoonDestruction]

Thrall?

[@libertyprime2985]

Jordan Robinson Broxigar is also a Saurfang, he's Varok's brother you genius.

[@bojancorovic7893]

MikePhantom Broxigar, Thrall, Orgrim, Grommash, Varok :)

[@PoonDestruction]

MikePhantom Also since we are loregasming here, I'd like to clarify that Rexxar is only 1/4 orc (despite WoWWiki and even the character himself claiming to be half-half). I got this from Nobbel87's channel, I recommend it to you guys as he basically covers the lore of Warcraft from the creation of Azeroth to the creation of the Leeroy Jenkins Hearthstone card.

[@sadlobster1]

Who's Broxigar

[@drummerguy438]

Im watching this in 2020... this could have been a great expansion. So much potential.

[@OmniMon94]

It has potential but it was underated

[@dominicperez3777]

It surprises me that the Ogres aren't a playable race. They seem to play a major role in the game especially in the storyline.

[@nocsiou]

Ogres are absolute dumbasses who can't think for themselves even with 2 heads in the curent timeline

[@FireSignd]

+TARANCHULA7 Well, there are intelligent Ogres, like Mar'gok and Cho'gall! (Even though the latter is more mad than intelligent.. xD). Also, Ogres only play a part as enemies of the Orcish Horde and the Draenei of Draenor.

[@catxborsuq1]

At this point, I am pretty sure the only reason why they aren't a playable race is because they wouldn't be able to fit through most doors of inns and other buildings :/

[@baconsoup8346]

Not really Tauren are supposed to be bigger than Ogres but they were scaled down a bit so they could playable don't see any problems with ogres be down scaled either.

[@Rhuna]

Ogres are sheep dude lmfao they don't "play a major role" lmfao

[@feraldorozanandy1114]

I’m watching this still.... since the first time it released... up until now august 2018... everytime I feel weak, I see this video, help a lot facing hard times

[@bearjew51]

2024*

[@LDmagnum]

One of the most badass and well thought out characters of all time

[@FrozenLemur]

This style of art is amazing. It fits the theme so perfectly.

[@JagaimoLoco]

Oh my god, I love how they draw ogres.

[@WolfFireheart]

Please give Ogres as playable race Blizz!

[@domidium]

This is what orcs in game should be like!

[@ritter19]

RIGHT not look loke old man with a hunch back xD

[@firetracks2581]

they are like this in personality

[@hmmmooops]

Yes but their models still look like their spine bends 90 degrees

[@warbossgrotsmasha23]

because they're modeled after warhammer orcs which are like that

[@CTC77]

4 years later and finally they are fixed

[@VarangianGuard13]

Lok'Tar Ogar, Grommash Hellscream. Let our Warsong never fade.

[@HodCohen135]

The most fierce orc roar I have ever heard, so beautiful!

[@EduardoxPais]

Grommash's wife never died before giving birth to Garrosh in the original Draenor so how does Maraad knows that she died in the alternate time Draenor? This makes no sense...

[@Fat_Panda_Gamer]

+EduardoxPais These stories aren't about the "new" timeline. This is what Maraad knows about the Warlords from his timeline, when he was there.

[@pudgeypigeon]

Kyle Vanderhoof It's funny that kilrogg is killed by alliance and horde forces in the vision then when in the original game the horde and alliance as depicted didn't even exist yet.

[@Fat_Panda_Gamer]

pudgeypigeon Maraad doesn't know what Kilrogg saw in his vision, it was shown for the audience. Kilrogg's original death came at the hands of Danath Trollbane, a member of the Alliance Expedition.

[@KaminaTribal]

+pudgeypigeon He was killed in the 2nd war during the Alliance of Lordaeron and Old Horde battled eachother

[@lc2681]

Sometimes u just need to enjoy it and not let continuity issues get to you u can head cannon it if u want but just don’t worry about it

[@Haste444]

"Say the word and it's Ogre" it's all ogre now

[@skullcandy4everyone695]

Lol

[@ralphchristianreytolentino3764]

Comment of the century LOL

[@ainsleyharriot6060]

It's never ogre

[@ChimpScape]

kek

[@Gohanitos]

hhaahahahaha

[@krausercruz2780]

my god i knew Grommash was brutal but this? ALL MY YES!

[@bounchofbeaners]

hes only brutal because the ogres forced orcs like him to be brutal.. and the ogres will pay for it..

[@krausercruz2780]

I will pay for him when Blizzard release him on Heroes of the Storm

[@ravager48]

Crucified on a tree in the middle of the desert? Reminds me of Conan the Barbarian!

[@megaprime4173]

ravager48 it wouldn't surprise me if he got some of his inspiration from Conan

[@levelsofconcern8306]

"Contemplate this on the Tree of Woe" one of my favorite lines

[@joseivan7785]

Snap! I was about to post tha line from the movie

[@godskingdomservant3191]

I like these orcish made up stories. Yet the truth of what happenned in RL and what will happen is even more exciting! The King of Humanity was crucified. His blood was shed so we could be redeemed of our sins. More info on that: read the gospels (Mark, John, Luke & Matthew's). The good news is: He is Alive and broke the power of death forever. He is Lord at the right hand of the Living God (Revelation) and will return soon to judge the fate of Humankind. "Seek the Lord while He can be found; call upon Him while He is near (...)" (Isaiah 55:6)

[@Doronsmovies]

Not minding all these lore changes, Lords of War is amazing. :D

[@Queltomen]

no lore changes. this is what happened to canon Grom. Maraad is saying the events he knows from his timeline. They are 100% accurate/unchanged for AU grom.

[@tuck0928]

It's also a different timeline all-together, so various lore-changes make sense, though I'm not sure how Maraud knows about them then.

[@SamwiseGG]

OMG everyone. Blizzard nailed it. Maraad is talking about our time/dimension-line's Grommash NOT THE WOD VERSION. Grom did lose his mate an ogre raid. Garrosh was born before that. Now you just heard the story how he became Warlord and NOT warchief. How would Maraad know? Because he shared a planet with the orcs, simple. Draenei are very intelligent and knowledgable of the Orcs.

[@YTmaxi]

Varian - "I don't know how to beat these guys" Maraad - "I'll tell you how overpowered and scary badass they are" Varian - "Yes please, that is sure to help" I admit the cinematics are cool, but the stories themselves make exactly zero sense.

[@felmaster3534]

I think it's more describing what makes these people strong. Their relentless ferocity (Kargath) and their iron will (Grom) are things ot be considered in battle. It means that our soldiers must prepare to fight a very savage foe, and one that will not run away. They will die and not retreat.

[@Zedigan]

Know thy enemy

[@zain6008]

He's telling him that our enemies will never surrender. At the beginning he says that going blindly puts them in unthinkable danger, but he needs to have the fortitude to fight whatever awaits. And grom has this fortitude, and will not be afraid to put himself in danger.

[@zain6008]

Tho I will admit they make no sense how does maraad know this

[@YTmaxi]

@@fled110 What Varian wants to know is recon and deployment details. He didn't ask for a lore lesson. The only way in which the lore lesson would be relevant is if it provided a fundamental reason to go to war. This lore lesson only tooted Grom's horn.

[@sandpaige]

People seem to forget that Maraad lived on draenor, when the orcs attacked them. When the orcs started attacking they left, and crashed on Azeroth. So he would know the stories about orcs. Especially Grommash. Also Grommash's mate may have given birth to Garrosh just before her death, or Grommash could have had a second mate.

[@BotmanR]

Alt-Garrosh doesn't exist in the WoD timeline. This is confirmed via the recent short story.

[@britneyspheres7yearsago11]

I just watched the original ‘Conan the Barbarian’ with Arnold Swarczenegger, and the scene where they tie up Gromm is almost exactly taken from that. The difference is that in Conan, he is being crucified, meaning his palms are nailed to the tree. Also Conan doesn’t bite the main bad guy, but bites the throat of a vulture who is trying to eat him. Conan is later rescued by one of his comrades, and nursed back to life by a wizard.

[@Futtiwar]

Each one of these i see makes me want to join the Iron Horde even more.

[@shayansadri-pucci5876]

5:08 still one of the COLDEST LINES AND MOMENTS IN EXISTENCE

[@caspervestergaard2430]

This definitely could have been one of the best expansions of wow! Would’ve loved more WoD, had alot of fun that expansion.

[@AlastorNightheart]

If only Orcs actually sounded so beastily enough for me to play them

[@Flamy507]

For those who noticed the Golka (Grom's Mate) issue - In our reality she probably conceived, and bared Grom's son before she actually died in THAT battle. [SOLVED]

[@narcis4none]

Grom Hellscream probably the ultimate Orc warrior! He never give up,he is the real Warchief,Thrall is just more intelligent,But Grom is the best warrior on the whole Warcraft game and this video approves it.

[@S117M4sterChief]

5:08 NEVER call Grommash’s bluff...if you wanna live...

[@georgek347]

"the warlord with the iron will"

[@logansloan1480]

5:25 that Hellscream though...

[@rynemcgriffin1752]

Y’know? For something that came out 4 years ago, this still puts shivers up my spine

[@balsadragovic6102]

Ryne Mcgriffin yeah , but in this video , you really see why they call the dude helpscream

[@loljustice31]

The warlord with the iron will... and fabulous hair

[@RUPAKRANAismyname]

I played the campaign in warcraft 3 so many times just to play as Hellscream.Just for that one quest and now we have to kill him :(

[@Vorox_]

5:29 i love very much Hellscream's SCREAM!!!!

[@Cro1232cro]

I thought ogres were stupid, barely above actual thought, but now it seems that they are portraying them as people who can comprehend tactics and managing empires?

[@Nooctae]

In the real Draenor ( that is now Outland ), Orgre were slaves to the orgron and grons, they always had smart ones ( they have afinity for magic ), but in the Alternate Draenor, the Orgre won against their master, and created a big empire ( that sadly was scrapped for the game, we were supposed to go there eventually during WoD )

[@J10005]

@@Nooctae I'm pretty sure Highmaul and the Gorian Empire existed in the main timeline. The demon-blooded orcs and Cho'gall killed most of the smart ones and crumbled their empire though.

[@disgustika]

I run my own business and I work late nights - and when I'm tired and feel like I can't do anymore, I watch this video.

[@Commander1991NOR]

Grommash Hellscream the original badass!

[@italian504]

It may be just me but the style mixed with how the ogres look in this particular story feel sort of Arabian-ish.

[@JRBDWD]

Actually Blizzard said they have a strong "roman empire" influence

[@VileVamp]

***** No, moron.

[@thorpoder7431]

СИМОН СИМОНОВ nationalist german* not fascist

[@Pirustae]

+SlyBiffrons Orcs are in fact what Tolkien wanted to describe the villainous and invading Vikings. Coming to invade England (Rohan). Passing initially through the islands of Orkneys, by which their name comes from.

[@zuriach1321]

+FixxxeR208 stop saying that as if its a proven fact... its not.. i havent found any sources of hard evidence suggesting that the orcs are supposed to reflect the norse. the only thing i found is a forum where one guy interpets it to be this way, in which many disagree. so i have no clue where you are taking this from. besides, a large portion of Tolkiens fantasy is directly inspired of hermanic and especially norse mythology. his first book the Hobbit, took heavy inspiration of the story "Beowulf". and both elves and dwarves are directly taken from norse mythology. Orcs are based of the folkloric creature goblins (which is used synonymously to the term "orc" in the books). Sauron/saruman and the orcs symbolized industrilization which Tolkien was very criticial towards. now why would he associate industrialization with vikings?that does not make much sense to me at all. honestly, claiming that orcs are ment to reflect vikings is quite a stretch and really doesnt add up with his works

[@Demonkeeper]

Always been my favourite character before WoW, Gord dayum they couldn't have made a more badass character as Hellscream

[@mrratchet9503]

When you figure out that the whole captured and tied to a tree thing is incredibly similar to Conan the Barbarian from 1982, both characters are warriors, have long hair and instead of killing an Ogre with a chomp to the neck Conan kills a vulture

[@rogervenandy2241]

Man ... that "Iron will" hits different

[@TheAgrizi]

5:29 Repeat button for myself, hearing that scream at 0,5x speed is something else.

[@Dudeofdawn]

damn these stories are crazy high quality. this could get someone who knows nothing of wow to get into it

[@NisseFrasse]

Oh my! I got goosebumps at that SUDDEN bite on the ogre! AND not to mention that SCREAM he made in the end! Made chill goes through whole my spine! He truely is ... The one ... True ... HELLSCREAM!

[@britneyspheres7yearsago11]

You can see the Ogre Lord walking closer and closer to Grommash each scene he returns. This is a foreshadowing of his fate.

[@Millzy0811]

love this lords of war series, cant wait for part 3! really gets you hyped up for the upcoming expansion!!

[@smutserkling6848]

Grommash is the true warchief.

[@zubi782]

Warcraft III had amazing storytelling elements, but for the most part Blizzard has neglected to put much time into telling great stories in WoW. That's why I'm so happy to see videos like these! This gives me hope that Blizzard will be placing more emphasis on story and lore. I truly believe WoW has some of the best and most badass fantasy characters ever created, so I'm really excited to see their stories!!

[@MrCoolios12]

Just when you think they can't deliver an even greater story for an orc, they deliver an even greater story for an orc.

[@simonhellqvist6087]

I think it'll be really interesting to see the ogres at the peak of their civilisation, instead of the lumbering brutes we're used to on Azeroth.

[@TheLazyPeon]

Grom is such a badass, kinda sad we're gonna have to kill him.

[@Kyosuke700]

you know this is a different alternative world right

[@bartoszn1609]

Kyosuke700 We still have to kill him.

[@guzotak]

That is quite arguable, actually. The final boss of this expansion will not be an orc. Mark my words.

[@sumptuary8399]

***** because he still calls for demons . next xpac>burning crusade

[@Goraka91]

After people defeat Grom he transforms... Into Vince McMahon as Kil'Jaeden. IT'S ME AUSTIN! IT WAS ME, ALL ALONG AUSTIN! YOU ALL BOUGHT IT! EVEN MY FAMILY! EVEN MY IMMEDIATE FAMILY BOUGHT IT!

[@RosaBrandDesigns]

Love these stories. Keep them coming!

[@NeoGenMike]

Pretty damn cool. All im wondering is how he got off the tree.

[@semmer65]

Gangsta rap made him do ut

[@kemimaro50]

he was so weak and thin the ropes couldnt stop him anymore

[@libertyprime2985]

NeoGenMike Tschida He would not dare to retreat, he after all has an iron will.

[@KeViNZP]

NeoGenMike Tschida He was weak, but he was also very thin, that made him able to slip from the ropes, because the ropes wasn't readjusted when his body got thinner.

[@cryptx550]

uhmmm.. Bloodlust?

[@Emmanu013]

Orcs - best race in WoW. I hope there will be even more content on them.

[@adamk8073]

Mortal Kombat Legends: Scorpion's Revenge brought me back here!

[@DavidELD]

Grom Mike Tyson'd an Ogre.

[@felmaster3534]

Couldn't have put it better myself!

[@MrBVS74]

Why is no one taking into account the possibility that Garrosh was born before Grom's wife died? Garrosh knew this story in the Hellscream short story, meaning it was the same in our world. It's never said in our timeline that Grom's wife lived and we didn't see her in Nagrand.

[@Caedus696]

Because her premature death haunted this Grom and made him construct the alternate Duel of Will, which didn't exist in our timeline.

[@bengough6955]

Nicholas Cannaday Not nnecessarily, normal timeline grom (through lore specifically lord of clans and war3) shows him being incredibly stubborn against his demon taint despite the soulless depression that effects everyone else. It's only really when mannoroth is shoving more bloody goodness in his face against the unstoppable cenarius does it become too much... Also the duel of will in the story could very well have existed in some sort of small form (unless the story specifically states that he invented it and no other orcs ever use it... I actually got the impression that Makgorah (is that how it is spelt) would be considered very rare and / or improper for a draenor orc clan pre-taint... due to them being protrayed as volatile and vibrant and hostile but more in the sense of competition and small rivalry rather than outright war against one another... with this in mind there is no reason the duel of will did not exist in normal time line, rather no one had decided to write about it and therefore this is the first time it is specifically shown. It is interesting that for such a larger than life character it is only now that Blizzard and truly fleshing out who Grom is; as before he was always supporting the main players in the story. Thrall et al. We knew he was violent, we knew he was ferocious and had a lot of control on himself... we never saw him with a mate we only knew he had a son, and even then it was only known when TBC came out (wonder if that was always going to be???) We know very little about who the Warsong were, in fact we really know nothing except that in Rise of the Horde (another book where Grom (being a major big name) is hardly seen at all) he drinks the blood first and is known as a badass... lol Duel of will could easily have been a thing, how much more perhaps would Grom have hated himself had he had a newborn to look after who reminded him always of the mate who died... Will power perhaps to want to never lose anything precious again. Differences aside though... who cares... its awesome and hopefully WOD will be too :D

[@Caedus696]

Ben Gough I simply brought it up because garrosh had no idea what a duel of will was and had to ask if it was like Mak'gora. So if Garrosh has no clue what it was then presumably it was not a thing in our timeline, and Garrosh would have more knowledge than most since so many that suffered from the Pox were together, not just one clan.

[@MrBVS74]

Nicholas Cannaday As Ben said before me, there's no reason to believe that Mak'Roghan didn't exist in our timeline. It is very possible that it was a pre-corruption Warsong tradition, or that it was simply a lost tradition after so many members of the Warsong Clan died between the First and Third Wars.

[@alexanderrichardson2686]

It's amazing how the ogres have any leaders at all after all of this.

[@EscaExcel]

If maraad is getting killed off early in questing, why is he being used here? He's basically a nobody you are trying to develop, but then kill him off in the middle of the third questing zone when he gets no in-game development. Seems idiotic.

[@twitchyi8614]

The game seems more focused around Yrel the female dreanei that's with Maraad half the time

[@MrRtd45]

***** That wasn't the Maraad from our time, so of course they're going to kill him off. Why would they have two?

[@kabrozkabroz]

Jake Hall no the Maraad who died is the one from our timeline o.O

[@Almahser]

What about all the legendary heroes that WE murder? Arthas, Illidan, Fordragon and soon Grommash. Blizzard likes killing off heroes.

[@kabrozkabroz]

***** You're correct in your points but it still doesn't disprove what he's saying. These people were all driven to this point by circumstances beyond their control. The ones most accountable are Arthas and Grom, who both did essentially the same exact thing, just themed to either undead or demons respectively. Now then, Illidan on the other hand, the things he did were misguided, but everything he did (the vials of eternity, Mount Hyjal's world tree, becoming a demon) He did for the sake of power, but also for the sake of his people. The Skull of Gul'dan appealed to him, yes, he liked having the power, but the fact remains that he still did what he had to in order to slay Tichondrius (or at least temporarily incapacitate him) He essentially did what every other demon hunter does. All demon hunters have an agenda, and to fulfill that agenda (I.E. stopping the legion and it's minions) they do what they can to gain more power even at the cost of their reputation. They are essentially Martyrs for their people. However, they do not WANT to be shunned. They WANT to end the legions corruption. Taking on the powers of a demon to do so is just a means to an end. Now, yes, Illidan liked power, but the only reason he was driven mad is because he was locked away for 10,000 years and was forever shunned by his people even after he saved them and their immortality. I seriously hope that when they said they would "Bring Illidan back" they didn't mean the well of eternity dungeon.

[@Keilink]

That was amazing! sometimes though I wonder if Maraad is here to help Varian or just to scare him even more, like an adult trolling a kid with spooky stories. At any moment I could imagine Maraad burst into laugh and say "I'm just kidding they're lame, our max level was 30 back in the day, you should have seen your face, my king"

[@pineapplefarmer7352]

Badass confirmed.

[@Anxiou5Panda]

After all this time, I still visit this and the other four videos to motivate myself.

[@StoicForce]

Grommash being tied to a tree and left to waste away is a fine telling of why he was originally a much slimmer orc, but in the WoD cinematic, he's really quite bulky. Is that just inconsistency, or am I missing something?

[@felmaster3534]

This is our Grom, not the WoD one. Maraad hadn't gone to alternate Draenor yet, so he can only be talking about our Grom. And as was shown in the latest short story Hellscream, Kairoz had picked a universe purposefully for certain changes. I guess Grom becoming bulky again was just one of these changes, alongside Garrosh not being born in the alternate timeline or Rulkan surviving.

[@StoicForce]

Daniel Wells Ah, my apologies. I haven't actually read the short Hellscream story, yet. Thanks.

[@Caedus696]

He is talking about WoD grom though because his mate did not die in an ogre raid within our timeline.

[@felmaster3534]

Maraad could only be talking about our Grom. He hasn't been to alternate Draenor yet, and doesn't know of any differences.

[@Caedus696]

Daniel Wells Unless this is Alternate Maraad that Varian is speaking to. Kargath's story was way different as well.

[@Malcolm311]

I love the sound effects they use

[@DzxZzz]

Just noticed that Grom is tied to an open hand, and Garrosh died in a fist

[@wastehazey6468]

Love the image of Grom tied to the tree. Nice little tribute to Conan, when he's tied to the tree of woe.

[@OstroGothic]

Can someone explain one thing to me? If i remember Rise of The Horde right, the orcs were peaceful before the demons came. When did this take place? Did the war against the Ogres happens and then they settled back down after? (assuming of course that this is the main world, which wouldn't make sense unless this is alternate Maraad)

[@felmaster3534]

The orcs were peaceful, but the Ogres still had an empire and they clashed occasionally, but not often enough and not greatly enough to call it a war. I think they can be named "bad run-ins."

[@myunghoseo3273]

The term "peaceful" can be applied broadly. There can always be scrapping here and there for resources, and this would reflect the Orcs raiding Ogres, and Ogres raiding Orcs in return in a cycle.

[@loljustice31]

That's a good point, that had always sort of confused me. In present-day Nagrand, the orcs are very peaceful (the mag'har descend from the Warsong clan, don't they?). In the orc creation screen, it refers to the orcs as having been peaceful. But everything about WoD makes them look like they were ruthless and brutal. I thought they were the sort of people who were peaceful but acted brutally if the situation required it, like against enemies. But go figure...

[@myunghoseo3273]

I also have a feeling, that Ogres have been ancestral enemies of the Orcs. As Kargath's intro had revealed, Ogres have taken Orcs as slaves, probably because Ogres are even stronger than Orcs.

[@LRoeser]

Far as i could tell, "peaceful" is kind of an overstatement. As Myung Ho Seo said, while they didn't go around rampaging like started to later, they did fight, mostly against the ogres but also occasionaly amongst themselves. Which is why the formation of the Horde was a big deal, the clans didn't generally cooperate before that.

[@Jsten16]

5:04 this is exactly the same as MK scorpions revenge when he’s in the neather realm

[@kauancorrea]

Pretty cool, but I liked the first one better.

[@jagto8444]

Agreed!

[@xtcfucker]

Kargath was amazing indeed.

[@K___R]

same

[@roemon1294]

Hard to believe he was that cheesy blood orc in the BC dungeon "Shattered Hall." I duno about anyone else, but that story of Kargath did not only make sense, but was one of the most awesome things I've ever seen for a character that I previously thought was crap.

[@Gromst3rr]

Another great story! Oh how I wait for these!

[@zg2417]

This motivates me

[@juliancavanaugh79]

Why am i now just watching these, they are so good

[@marquendra]

I loved this so much! But when he started chewing that fruit, I started clawing at my face because it sounded like someone was chewing in my ear lmao. Was too realistic lol! But overall spectacular :D

[@CyberImpact7]

THIS IS SO BRUTALLLL IM ENJOYING IN EVERY PART OF THIS SERIES SO EPIC!!!

[@emperorkimjong-un9922]

can i find the music somewhere at 3:19? thank you

[@OneShotMan222]

Please tell me if you find it, i have been searching for it as well.

[@TheLjnx]

News?

[@christianhansen7582]

One important question I feel none of us are asking is... What is the Ogre slamming his fist on at 4:21?

[@felmaster3534]

That's a good point. Probably just slamming it against his leg or something, but the movement was for emphisis.

[@Lununguis]

To the people saying "HAO DUZ MERAD NO THIS STUF???" Have the Alliance and Horde stopped using spies all of a sudden?

[@frangeek]

From Hellscream short story: "Garrosh knew this story. The death of his mother, the rebirth of the Warsong clan, the beginning of Hellscream's legend. "That's when you lost your mate, yes? A hard thing, to see family die in battle."" So the event is the same, only that in AU Draenor Golka never gives birth to Garrosh. So Maraad is totally ok for knowing all this.

[@kingbeaver8305]

I am going to say something that has not been mentiond, I LOVE THE OGRES IN THIS UNIVERSE, the azeroth ogres are just dumb dimwitted unintellectuals who pound dirt. these ogres had a strong culture and lineage that i have grown to respect through these videos. i almost wish the ogres could join a faction, The level of intelligence is rather impressive and i would be proud to fight along side one of these ogres

[@theonetruemonster3172]

When your will alone is so strong that the weather bends to it with no magic involved.

[@Grubnar]

Oh. So Grom is now Conan the Barbarian?

[@AreaEightySix]

This would have been the greatest expansion if it was done right.

[@projecta3halkida]

I'm relatively new to WoW. What was actually the bad thing about the expansion?

[@AreaEightySix]

It was short because they lost a big chunk of the dev team. Only had 2 patches. Urgh

[@ekolodz666]

+AreaEightySix Oh stop it... WoD Wasn't that bad... I actually enjoy playing it.

[@simondastvan2661]

If you enjoyed it great, but the 7 million subscriber drop that didn't well then that voice is louder

[@DaveZerO9086]

"This wolf still has teeth" #BadAss

[@jonaslorik]

get chills from this, so well made