Bagua Vs. Boxing (Very friendly Sparring) 孔有有

Me and a coach get together to trade hands for research purposes. Join us online at www.warfoxbagua.com

[@MartinJutras]

This is pretty much one of the only videos on KZbin where you have a kung fu guy that doesn't transform into a kickboxer during sparring. Kudos.

[@aarkproductions]

Right but for me, using kung fu in a fight, I'm not going to do some sort of fancy hand stuff if most of that in Shaolin atleast is used within the context of wrestling and grappling, So the reason I'll spar a boxer with a boxing guard is because you have that same guard in Shaolin, real kung fu is going to look like kickboxing at some point because the fancier forms are not meant for stances, they're meant for grappling

I liked how you used bagua in a practical and relaxed manner.

[@aarkproductions]

It's technically one of the more peaceful kung fu styles like tai chi, not that real tai chi and real Bagua fighters fight in a completely peaceful way, but they are associated more closely with Buddhism and Taoism, and when I mean real tai chi and Bagua I'm not talking about the guy who does forms all day and think it's fighting

[@TheKirbstomper]

I watched this video to help write one of my character's fighting styles, and I learned a lot. He's actually a boxer who turned to mix martial arts by adding Bagua into his technique. I feel more confident writing this character's interactions in fights now.

[@AshTheGamerIsAwesome]

Good luck

[@zachariaravenheart]

Check out 52 Blocks when you get the chance. It's basically boxing with some Bagua and other stuff added to it. Also, as a fellow writer myself, I wish you luck! Writing is hard, but I believe you can do it.

[@TheKirbstomper]

@@zachariaravenheart Thanks, I'll check it out when I can.

[@fakejameh]

check out this movie. your character is me in a way, i was a boxer for many years then learned bagua myself and did some krav maga

[@fakejameh]

The movie is Wu Lin Zhi/Deadly Fury (1983).

[@davidwilliams4837]

Beautifully done. The parry to off-balance him near the one minute mark with your relaxed pivot to spin is high level stuff. Nice.

[@Azami0001]

Not gonna lie ,I tend to be a bit dismissive with certain martial arts that I think are impractical, but if you can convince me it will work then I will believe you. What I saw in this video is pretty awesome and I really like your moves.

[@alinao.4720]

If done correctly, Bagua really is really practical. Not only will you not get hit, but you will be able to bring the opponent off balance, remove his center of gravity and easily land a hit where it matters (like solar plexus, temples, throat or something). I am currently learning Bagua from a Shifu that has had 2 groups of disciples and his son. Both have won multiple national Bagua championships in China. Training with them has really taught me that Bagua is not just for show, it really is good for combat. They frequently show me how they are able to divert one’s center of gravity, how to use the body’s tension between the feet to get strength from the ground, transferred to the legs, hips, shoulders, and over the arms to the hands, where suddenly there is so much force. When I have my arms on theirs in the position in which you prepare to fight, they can literally sweep me off my feet without really moving much. It’s really impressive

[@aarkproductions]

​@@alinao.4720 Bro even tai chi works, Yes as much as people make fun of how it's slow and for elderly people in the parks, first off it's been taught wrong for years, Mainly because it was first created by a rich family, and each member practiced a different styles of tai chi, tai chi Chuen Which I think can be the more aggressive style, and doing all the fancy hand waving stuff in the air, is practiced wrong, those are wrestling moves in the context of strikes being thrown, you're supposed to practice with a person and know what those moves are for, Wing Chun on the other hand is not a complete martial art, it is a sub style of the Shaolin, so why do so many wing Chun practitioners fail? Because they're training it wrong! You need to train in Shaolin principles with the context of the modern world strikes, and then practice your wing Chun in the clench and in close quarters, your wing Chun does not exist within jab range, Shaolin exists within jab range and with wrestling techniques, so if the context is just boxing or kickboxing, nobody's going to even notice your doing kung fu oddly enough but the answer is yes these older forms of fighting do work

[@n8maintenance]

i like how the author is constantly showing the practical application of both useful technique and a calm demeanor..... foot work definitely proves itself as fundamental in this demonstration....

[@p.a.w.sthetravelinggamer6750]

I NEED to see you keep doing these. I love the slow downs and explination to us noobs

[@dayman161172]

Sry i dont want to hate but... dont call it bagua vs boxing if the boxer dont know to box. Im not a keyboard warrior i actually train boxing 4 times a week.... u can clearly see he telegraphs his hook he hast a pull back motion and he crosses his feet when walking ... just boxing fundamentals

[@DrMARDOC]

The African “ba Gua “ guy is not the real deal so it’s….. SLOP-FU!

[@archonofvoid]

@@DrMARDOC no he's an insanely good martial artist. I agree that his bagua is not the real deal but as far as the guy being at the peak of his biomechanical skill it's a fact

[@Bananapig9]

When it’s done right watching applied bagua is unreal. This was such high level movement. Such subtle movements and they make all the difference 👍

[@gary6110]

Thanks so much for sharing Sifu Robert! I have always wanted to clearly see how Bagua is used in sparring. Your breakdowns and call outs are fantastic. Really enjoyed seeing you both display skill in your respective arts. Poetry in application!

[@WarriorBoy]

I really enjoy your approach to working with partners and your commentary. There are concepts here that apply to any martial art.

[@temujin5743]

That was amazing, I think that a lot of fighting techniques are hidden in traditionnel styles but no body wabt to pay attention to them

[@divyanshchaudhary7063]

Isn't it weird an Asian guy is doing boxing and black guy is doing Kung Fu 😂💀

[@henryMomoa]

Divyansh Chaudhary lol I never noticed that

[@Leo-tv1dc]

@Robert Pratt No it is kind of weird.

[@dayman161172]

Except the chinese cant box. All his attacks are not connected. He only throw wild swings

[@dayman161172]

@@ropongi1008 chinese are not dumb they know what work and what not. They have just too much pride to admit their kungfu is bad

[@LeonKumoyuki]

also Divyansh thats kinda Stereotypical

[@stevenedmund5680]

Very nice stall on the strike turning your fist up and slowing it down in a spit second to not take his eye. I know how hard it is and the skill it takes to do that. Respect.

[@michaeldavis9190]

Seeing the dad share his passion with his kids at the end is so wholesome

[@ahmadnurzam7402]

Thank you for a wonderful information and knowledge that you give us. Keep up the good work! If it possible can you also enlighten us to also share more sparring video about bagua? Because it is very few to none this kind of video on Internet.

[@warfox777]

Please send an email to [e-mail]. I have online training programs

[@bpsutherland]

That;s really good kung fu. It's hard to find good sparring videos like this one and i don't think I've ever gotten a chance to see bagua displayed so well in this context. excellent work. And I love the way you just rattle off principles as they are exhibited in your execution.

[@uberdonkey9721]

The spinning around and recovery is fantastic. Very interesting foot work

[@gunnerhiro394]

This is how one learns - experimenting with different styles/techniques.

[@kudoista]

Interesting to watch. It's great to see a traditional kung fu practitioner sparring with other martial artists and doing well! Something you don't see often enough. Okay, so he wasn't the most skillful boxer. And with him wearing gloves and you not, it gave you a hand speed advantage. But still I feel you somewhat validated Bagua's effectiveness. It gave me a new perspective on Bagua.

[@Zack1440]

Great video, thank you for sharing.

[@serenacula3256]

This is fascinating to watch, thank you..! If you get more opportunities to record yourself sparring, it would be great to see them.

[@mattmay4112]

I didn’t even see that finger jab until the video went back and slowed down. That was awesome

[@Dragonflyjones67]

People always talking about Kung Fu is fake?! It's not fake until you make it adaptable & effective!

[@Quinntus79]

@@LeonKumoyuki Kung Fu simply means great skill. Any skill that requires hard work and bitter training can be Kung Fu.

[@jassimarsingh6505]

@@LeonKumoyuki HELLO!? Baguazhang is a Kung fu style.

[@ch860]

很喜歡你的影片，希望下次可以介紹處理踢擊的方法 I like your video very much, hope you can introduce how to defense against kicks next time

[@ekimeno3061]

When he slipped in that body blow I completely missed how quick YOU were with your counter blow until you showed the replay. I figured he would have had you at that point but seeing your shot and explanation it makes sense why he wasn't able to follow up/through. I'm a Muay Thai guy but I think these skills would mesh with the style extremely well

[@aarkproductions]

Right well if it was staged and there was a camera, you'd be able to see every detail, but this is solid proof kung fu does work

[@MMABreakdowns]

I see baguazhang as more of a wrestling/grappling art. I'd recommend staying in close so you can control his arms more, as well as trying to get him off balance so you can pull off those sweeps and throws.

[@rye-bread5236]

As someone who wrestles collegiate and Greco-Roman, I do not understand what you mean. Very new to kung fu. I watched jackie chan when I was younger. Boxing, wrestling and BJJ are my areas of knowledge.

[@carlkim2577]

I agree. Staying at that distance gives a constant advantage to the boxer. Other bagua instructors will tell you to get in close and capture his center of gravity.

[@defjulz]

@@rye-bread5236 by wrestling he means clinch fighting and takedowns.

[@thesavant1455]

What I like about the bagua practitioner is his understanding of his art, he knows how to use it and thinks for himself. interestingly enough most kung fu styles have only one unarmed form and multiple weapons forms, the weapons forms have unarmed applications and the unarmed hands form has typically split 50/50 one striking and wrestling. understanding is extremely important to kung fu and any other fighting style or system, to which this guy does flawlessly.

[@KeytoKungFu]

Hey man thank you for the video. What works for us very well is to orientate on the opponents feont leg. If the left leg is in front you should go contra clockwise, if the right leg lf him is in front use clockwise cause so its more easy to get on his deadside

[@theultimatek.i.m.m1504]

I'm loving your work as well as your love and passion for kung fu and making friends. I'm looking forward to your next sparring video! I do have a question though--how do you protect your fingers and avoid jams and finger and wrist sprains? What palm technique details protect the fingers? What conditioning exercises do you do?

[@warfox777]

We do have a lot of finger strengthening exercises, but the real strength comes from just practicing the techniques in the air. Also it's important to really understand where your fingers are as you parry the attack. The palm or wrist is used to stop the attack and the fingers are like tentacles that control position. Don't lead with fingers.

[@armaankhokhar7651]

You have such a lovely channel!

[@-nightcore-2559]

Wow -I love the sparring so much please do more (i'd like o know more about the online training course tho)

[@warfox777]

Send an email to [e-mail] I will get you started

[@-nightcore-2559]

@@warfox777 thank you

[@taylorgarza4539]

Love the starting respect

[@Zack1440]

Good technique Robert, well done!

[@ShogiRanma]

This is really instructive and interesting. The main problem of traditional martial arts is , in the majority of cases, in the lack of fighting practice. I think each martial arts system is good but need a lot of practical experience and research.

[@klimenkor]

Sorry man. I understand nothing in boxing. I also have zero knowledge in Bagua. No offence. But you're closing your eyes while deflecting! That's what you usually getting rid of in a first year of sparring training

[@newbuleria]

Great stuff, brother.

[@nulightpros136]

good stuff, but are your steps giving you superior position? when he strikes, you circle. great bag work.

[@CrystallineWisdom]

Wow bro. You are real. cant believe I found you ! Great !

[@TJBEATS97]

love this. I feel like bagua is a great martial art!

[@sesshoufull1666]

Veryyy veryyy amazing!!

[@johntay3831]

U understand fajin, structure, footwork better than most sifus. Amazing. This goes to show it is the practitioner that makes the art, not the style.

[@alphaomega1969]

If you practice ba gua what is the essence of stamina? because it is the root of bagua

[@baguazhaquan]

your style against modern boxers seem really counterish, at least in this sparring video. btw i'm curious whats your background in other styles. and what brach(es) of bagua did you study.

[@warfox777]

I started with Taekwondo, Boxing, Jeetkundo and slowly had my own blend of MMA that I instructed in the university. It gave me a solid background in reflexes and combat. So learning Bagua, I just had to figure out the mechanics of the system. I learned Gao style here in Taiwan, also known as Jin Yuan Bagua. We call it Warfox Bagua for short.

[@kalivr1908]

Bagua kinda resembles a modified philly shell but with a lot of circular motion and use of palm strikes

[@warfox777]

The philly shell and bagua are absolutely brothers

[@user-pw9mv3nv4t]

Hello, where is boxing here?

[@advleon604]

Goodwork brother!

[@rafifgmail3511]

I love friendly sparring. I tired see xu xiaudong fight view people and being controversien. I just pove peace and friendly training. Hope you have a lot conection with other martial artist 👍👍👍.

[@sunandmoon6837]

Not only turned to use the waist, and you can use your waist for power! The wast power with hands or legs has several methods............

[@alphaomega1969]

Bagua is based on wind mostly so keep moving and striking and leading the attack

[@fairtrue4557]

how many years has he been doing the art of pakua?

[@warfox777]

At the moment around twenty years, in the video about ten.

[@WaraniWanua]

Respect bro

[@AgentSynthetic]

Very awesome post fight analysis! I’ve been thinking Boxing has a natural foundation from Bagua. Erik Morales comes to mind from the Manny Pacquiao fights.

[@taro6195]

J'adore le mec au fond il se dit mais c est quoi ce bordèlle

[@jmdrake]

"I don't want to be better than him. I want to be better than me.". You just earned a subscriber! How do you compare bagua footwork to the circling footwork of Mohammed Ali?

[@warfox777]

I think that many times the physics that Ali used was purely Bagua. But if you bounce, you generally leave the framework. He was the exception. He waited till he landed to use the ground to gain power. That's very Bagua.

[@smartresearchwingchun494]

Nice.

[@jacobadams905]

wish there was a master where i am

[@Humannovic]

Nice and sympathic

[@patrimchale159]

very nice showing Internal Kung fu can be used against Western Boxing

[@ronaldwozniak71]

Why does the boxer have to wear gloves? That has to be a disadvantage. A better comparison would be bare knuckles.

[@vitalyromas6752]

Just my opinion about bagua man - body well trained (angles, structure). But got into entrapment of "arms fancing". Having no Song and whole body force, bagua man just uses a bad boxing in bagua clothes. There is nothing similar to nian, na, fa and other jin But the way of skills checking - great. Thank you for sharing.

[@tidemover]

This is a point fight . Neither person has the proper position and distance to hurt the other. I would consider this a draw.

Of course. It's a friendly sparring.

[@tidemover]

@ No I'm sorry. I mean you can touch each other but even if you tried to use power the strike wouldn't be powerful because the timing is right but the distance is wrong. I have studied both arts so I'm familiar with how each art works. It's more informative than critical . It's something I see a lot and if you check out arts where they make contact and you'll see what I'm talking about. You don't have to strike but positioning and timing are critical aspects even if your sparring. In the art I studied we neutralized the attack before we moved in so it's slightly different than what you guys are doing.

[@The-Contractor]

Barely a club quality boxer and he easily bested the Bagua practitioner. The TCMA guy was wrapped up in trying to "do Bagua" rather than move/attack and allow his body to move as trained. He basically trapped himself in a stylized box of his own creation.

[@stefanschleps8758]

Very good. I can see you've spent years training in Pa Kua. Perhaps you may want to try moving from a neutral stance, arms down by your sides. (I know, I know.) And use the changes offensively , see their shuai jiao roots. One more thing I'm sure you are aware, but perhaps not. "Power comes out of technique, it doesn't go into it." All the best to you and yours. Respects. Laoshr #60 Ching Yi Kung Fu Association

[@trumplostlol3007]

Move to the blind side of your opponent. That's the whole idea of the bagua footwork, i.e., to circle to the blind side of your opponent and keep attacking from the blind side if possible. You should watch the front leg of your opponent. A boxer ALWAYs throws a straight punch from the side of the front leg first! Divert that straight punch by your front arm. If your opponent has a right front leg, he will do a right straight punch. You should divert his straight punch using your right arm. To do this, step forward (slightly sideward) to the blind side of your opponent using your left leg. Like in wing chun, you should be able to use both of your arms EQUALLY well and your stance and hand postures should change according to the stance of your opponent. My 2 cents.

[@alekx58]

Again thanx to golden Robert Fore His Line Fundament Footwork Konzepts zwar Basis verbleibend aber richtings weißen und vielfältig korrekt

[@alekx58]

Rrmsy deway IS next Channel Close to and Out of this

[@DurgaOmm]

No. Without counterattacking, there is no bagua.

[@rBroneak]

Neally nice. thank you for sharing!

[@Bermahone]

😳😳🙏🙏

[@sirdus2212]

Не было ни одной атаки в разрез по атакующей руке, когда рука встречает руку оппонента внешней стороной, берет ее под контроль, и продолжает атаку либо прямо по руке, либо перекладывает на другую руку. Но в целом очень позитивно.

[@joanstone6740]

Nice but as I'm sure you are aware the reality is you must take away his boxing skills with your sticking adhering guiding reading skills in other words you have to get to clinch position and finish from there but looks like harmless fun enjoy

[@enby_kensei]

I never noticed the similarities between bagua zhang and wing chun

[@DrMARDOC]

Why? Nobody else does ( in the Chinese world)

[@secutor0972]

Bagua is not made for, one on one, fight.

[@jameshealy4978]

That guy is not a boxer. I can tell by the way he punches and doesn’t know how to move while punching.

[@thainhaines2853]

I didn't know I was watching Chris Rock at 2:02

[@alphaomega1969]

just because you do ba gua doinst mean you cant wear gloves too

[@Sugarfoot108]

You can’t put boxing gloves on one of your students and call him a boxer. He has absolutely no boxing skills. This sad as I actually quite like your videos. My experience: Boxer for 8 years (younger years) and martial artist for life.

[@warfox777]

He's not my student. Just met him that day at the gym. He was nice enough to help me film. He's not a pro, but neither am I. Aside from that I'm not trying to show my or his level. Just trying to explain how the physics work. Thanks.

[@d14bolus]

Thank you RJA!!! From one Gao player to another. Just thanks.

[@Gieszkanne]

@Mei Jing First you can find even older boxing tapes were they used guards! So just pull one out to support your view is rediculous. Boxing techinques are not inspired buy kung fu or muay thai! Just look how different old muay thay was kzbin.info/www/bejne/mp-wZJV-qJh6gpI By the way the philipinos realy did influenced boxing.

[@pigfat2499]

Ba gua wins because boxing so launch attacks

[@ronaldnavo8545]

I don't know what is the kungfu style i think it's not Bagua

[@warfox777]

It's Bagua. We are from the Xin Zhu Bagua Association in Taiwan. You can see information on all of the techniques here. www.warfoxbagua.com. Let me know if you have any questions.

[@alphaomega1969]

You are not doing your bagua form and stike, bagua is the most powerful martial art next to tai chi.

[@stfuitsjuan7119]

Mayweather

[@christianrodriguez7749]

Boxeo ja no vi nada de box ahi man.

[@Tigersnake1982]

I´m so sorry, but i don't see a boxer. Just wearing gloves isn't enough.

[@taoistknights9830]

Ba Gua vs boxing, real fighting: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKGognt4j6qFo5I

[@woodypham6474]

Your bagua does work. Or i will say you dont have right approach to deal with the boxer.

[@juraganpindank9089]

Baqua impractical martial art

[@warfox777]

Used it dozens of times in real fights. Find a good teacher and anything works. But it's not for the simple minded. If you like what you have, stick with it.

[@stuartperry-hughes5969]

LOL this guy doesn’t box

[@kedabro1957]

Other than the eyejab, none of the bagua shots at the power to stun the boxer enough to reduce the power of the boxer's punches.

[@sosmexin2078]

you are circling into his power hand any good boxer would knock you out instantly man next time find a guy who can actually box

[@PerunaMuayThai]

@Madara Uchiha provide evidence? For example the ones who say this that actually step up have been flattened in China for the past year. The problem is they never step up because they know how fake they are. Also bro can't box and he's supposed to be a coach? I know, he's not but the desc. is misleading. Don't find someone at the gym, find someone from a boxing studio and show why bagua beats real boxing if it can.

[@chung4256]

@Sui Ton you sad af you don’t know anything about Kung fu

[@patrickpittorino7032]

Mate get a real boxer who trains first. The guy has no defence and very basic offence

[@LMFAS9528]

You're stuck in the classical mess

[@MrTubingen]

not a real fight.

[@nyclee9133]

paul chen it’s sparring bozo