Fascinating Bagua Kungfu vs Boxing Match

We have a classic match from 2014 from the Manup Standup series hosted by Novell Bell (aka BlackTaoist). In this match, we have a boxer named Kevin Thomas take on a Bagua guy named Dave Harris. Let's see what each side does well and not-so-well that we can learn from. Great match with a cameo by Cavali! Leave your comments and let us know if you've ever trained boxing or Bagua!
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Timecodes:
0:00 Round 1
2:52 Round 2
5:55 Key moment analysis
6:18 Shoutout to BlackTaoist

[@FightCommentary]

Like always, remember to follow the link in the description or endcards to follow Black Taoist (aka Novell Bell). He put these amazing tournaments together in the 2010s. I will interview him again in December! If you have any questions for Novell, please leave them here. Also, synthesizing the comments from the two fighters who both have found this video, Bagua man Dave was also a black belt in Goju Ryu Karate in addition to his bagua training. Boxer Kevin had about two years of training before this match and some TKD and Hapkido. There seems to be a little miscommunication of the rules that both fighters expressed in this match reflection. Both guys are in the comment section. Look for @lilloc25 and @jabzilla25 Anyways, awesome comments from everyone. Please keep the comment section like this, and KZbin will be happy!

[@dagaffer2269]

Forms, the ridiculous and unrealistic attacks and defences that you will 'never' use in a real fight are the downfall of kung fu. I practiced kung fu for many years, until I realized the forms were a way to keep the student coming in and paying tuition fees to the so called master. Without actually learning anything of value. Kung Fu is a scam.

[@lilloc25]

Hey Jerry, I am open to interview. What's your email?

[@FightCommentary]

Hey my man, @@lilloc25 my email is in the About section. Also, I'm most responsive on IG, so if you have an IG, we can connect there too (same name on IG)! I just saw your comment, so apologies about the late response.

[@lilloc25]

Hi Jerry, Just to informed you in this video this was my first year using and learning Baguazhang. Primarily I am a Goju Ryu practitioner under Sensi Rocky. The reason I used bagua for this match was because Novel talked me into using the style to gain experience with using it. I only had 4 months of training with Bagua. Plus, I only had 3 hours of sleep the day before the match. The day before the match I had to work the night before at a bar; I was working as a bouncer that year. Long story short, Kevin and myself expressed our point of view in the ring. I give the brother his props for doing his thing. It's easy to say what you would've or could've done until you get in the ring. No one start out perfect when it comes to sparring let alone training. Unless, you're born with natural fighting ability. You're most likely going to lose until you get better. The premise of MUSU was to create a space for different styles to learn from each other through sparring for knowledge and personal development. It takes bravery to fight someone who does the opposite of what you do. To get good in any style of martial arts you have to put yourself in situations that are uncomfortable. Not many can do it.

[@Jabzilla25]

What’s good David hope all is well

[@lilloc25]

@@Jabzilla25 I am well. Still training and pretty much just living life

[@lilloc25]

@@Jabzilla25 how have you been. Are you still boxing

[@Jabzilla25]

@@lilloc25 I took a long hiatus but I do coach and plan on fighting for dsny next year

[@Jabzilla25]

@@lilloc25 I actually want to get into the arts a bit but not sure which one . I dabbed in Muay Thai I like it but the schools are expensive

[@tonbonthemon]

People saying he's not a good boxer, maybe they're right but he seems to have a basic understanding of how to punch and what to do in a clinch. Seems very strong too. The bagua guy seems a bit weak once he gets there, like he's off balance, while the boxer is keeping his ground.

[@vijayvijay4123]

No footwork

[@poleag]

If you could give a quick description of what techniques "Bagua" or "Xingyi" (or whatever style) are known for at some point during these videos, it would be really helpful for people like me who don't know much about Chinese martial arts. Great channel, man.

[@ramqi6239]

i will help you there is ,no technniques of bagua in this video

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

​@@ramqi6239hahahaha

[@dagaffer2269]

These two bullshido styles are a waste. Didn’t see any deadly internal chi “hadookan” moves.

[@76kamikazi]

There is not one single technique that are performed in forms or kata applicable in a real fight,none.Anyone looking for those pretty animals movements in kung fu you’ll only see that in a iP Man movie or kung fu movie,we dont have the body structure of a animal so why are we humans trying to imitate the movements of a darn animal in a real fight,you don’t see a animal trying to imitate a human because they can’t stand on their hind like a human.I will reiterate again,the movements that you see in forms or kata you will never see those movements performed in a real fight because they’re not practical.

[@dagaffer2269]

@@76kamikazi yes 💯 👍 the ridiculous and unrealistic attacks and defences that you will 'never' use in a real fight are the downfall of kung fu. I practiced kung fu for many years, until I realized the forms were a way to keep the student coming in and paying tuition fees to the so called master. Without actually learning anything of value.

[@simoneriksson8329]

It seemed like baguaguy was good att getting into the clinch but didnt really knew what to do when he got there. He did throw some knees... Do you know the rules of this match?

[@Jabzilla25]

Idk I took boxing as a hobby this was my first event everyone want me to look like Floyd Mayweather. Training I looked good but when u in there not even the opponent but just the attention the crowd can get you nervous and throw u off. It’s cool I had fun that day many things I would have done differently

[@FightCommentary]

Did you know who your opponent would be beforehand or did you find out once you got to the venue?

[@Jabzilla25]

@@FightCommentary I knew before hand , David was like 2-0 in this event . I never competed until this .

[@lawrenceworrell591]

Well done. It's not easy to fight. And on your first outing everything you learned goes a little out the window. Plus you are so tense every punch feels like you are fighting through jelly. You'll be much more relaxed next time.

[@MichaelT83310]

@@Jabzilla25nah bro you did great. Everyone likes to talk from the sidelines but very few people have the balls to actually get in there and try it themselves. Respect!

[@josephizzo3311]

Takes courage to get in the ring. Congrats to you!

[@KingoftheJiangl]

Bagua needs to get behind the boxing guy to do anything, but he always gets stuck because he has no striking threats and no takedown threats, so he isn't able to create an opportunity to step around before opponent reacts. If he had feints then he can create some reaction in his opponent to shell or block, and he can step around during that time. Second problem is once he ties up, he needs trips and reaps using his legs at least as, once again, feints, if not take down and finishes. This is a major advantage of any traditional style, so he needs to invest in this. Third, he is kind of muscling too much, probably because he giving up so much weight. What i mean is he isnt able to explosively push or pull on anything because hes already exerting a lot. Ie, muay thai clinch you need some force on the neck to oull your opponents head down for knees, because nobody is going to let themselves be moved so easily and eat knees. Same thing he, he isnt able to move his opponent because hes already at 100% all the time. Instead he needs to show a pulldown or show an arm drag and if the guy reacts, simply step around the other direction and thats the back take, and thats the bagua bread and butter. So TO SUMMARIZE XD 1. Need at least some striking and takedown for feint 2. Invest in inside trip, outside trip and knowing where opponents weight is 3. Relax during clinch to be more explosive and also read opponent better. Temse body, tense mind 4. For bagua strategy do something in one direction to get resisting reaction, walk the other way. You only need to walk 1/4 or 90° because your opponent is already walking the other direction by about the same amount, and you end up beind them

[@austindavies6371]

Your answer is why I always read previous comments before commenting. You have made all the points I was about to. Your summery no 4 being my main point, no sliping round the side/rear. Thats a large part of the way I was tought the little Bagua I know. We trained mainly Wing Chung and Tai Chi with some Ying Yi and animal forms.

[@KingoftheJiangl]

@@austindavies6371 good to meet a fellow martial artist!

[@RiccardoBonci]

The more I watch this kind of videos, the more I see the similarities with music - learning and performing, that is. It doesn't matter how extraordinarily good your teacher is and how effective is the school (for ex. the traditional Russian or the French etc), ultimately it is all about how good the student is (I'm referring to talent and dedication mostly). I could rewind time and personally become a student of Bruce Lee himself, and that wouldn't necessarily make me as good as him. With all this I'm I'm trying to say that I strongly believe that a martial art (or fighting style) can only be as good as its practitioner. Would you agree?

[@darthwolfX2]

You are 100% correct

[@dagaffer2269]

That's as ridiculous as saying Fedor would still have been a great fighter if used aikido. The martial art is as relevant as the practitioner.

[@RiccardoBonci]

@@dagaffer2269 well, there's no way we can actually know unfortunately. I still believe that fighters can only be as good as the talent they have, combined with the quality hard work they put in. This said, I think that even if Fedor only learned Aikido, he would still be able to beat me to a pulp pretty effortlessly.

[@WarriorBoy]

I don't 100% agree. You make a great point about going back in time and learning from Bruce but not necessarily being as good as him, however I think there's more to it than that. Yes, individual potential, drive, and a person's ability are all factors in exceling at anything. What is a school, though? It's a collection of ideas, teaching methods, and concepts. Schools also have different environments and attitudes towards learning. I do think that depending on the goal and what the desired outcome is, yes, there can be an objectively better way to study and practice just about anything. You're a musician and used music as an example, that's great. So let's say there was a school of music that only taught theory and composition without ever teaching its students how to play songs. Let's take it a step further and say that not only would they teach a very rigid set of ideas of what music is (avoiding entire and whole genres/methods), but that the school would actively discourage playing songs at all. Let's say that over the years, this hypothetical school of supposed musicians produced so few actually competent musicians that it would be a shock and against the norm when they could actually play a full song in front of an audience. What would your thoughts on that school be? Would you still say that despite all the people coming out of that school who only know theory without the ability to improv, compose on their own and adapt were skilled musicians? Because I would say that after a time, it would be clear that it's not always a simple case of "there's no bad music schools, only bad students", which would be reductionist at that point. Clearly, the "Theory Based" school wouldn't be producing many people who could play songs, but rather people with maybe even a very deep knowledge intellectually of *why* music works and how, but not the actual ability to do play and *do* . "Knowing is not enough. We must apply"-Bruce Lee. So while learning from Bruce or other (living) skilled fighters might not make you into a carbon-copy of them, a good teacher will have a method and environment that produces results that can be replicated. They would encourage you to spar and/or compete in environments where you're actually applying what you do and learning how to put the principles into action in a way that works for you. What you see in the video is unfortunately typical of Bagua, other types of Kung/Gung Fu, and other traditional martial arts writ large: this Bagua guy was taught the principles of his art, how to walk the circle, I'm sure plenty of forms, patterns, and postures he was told were very, very important, and I bet he grinded out hours on all of this. Maybe his teacher had him do the occasional (compliant) set of drills in a low-pressure setting. We can't put his performance all on him as an individual. He was following through on what he was taught. Routinely, Muay Thai, boxing, Jiu-Jitsu, Judo, Sambo, and MMA practitioners perform their art, with techniques that look in-action like what they practice. There's plenty of footage of this. It's almost odd when a Muay Thai or Jiu-Jitsu person isn't competent. They might not be invincible gods, they might not always win, but they can nearly always accomplish something and look trained and effective. The Bagua guy in this clips looks like he maybe dabbled in some basic boxing and brawling with schoolyard grappling. I don't mean to offend him at all, but there's nothing about what he's doing that says: Trained Martial Artist/Fighter. I've seen the forms and practice of Bagua and know what it's *supposed* to look like, and this wasn't it. With traditional arts, especially Chinese Martial Arts unfortunately, the practitioners rarely embody the concepts in action. It's rare when you see the talented person who looks like they're doing Kung Fu that looks visibly different from other more practical styles and functions effectively. At what point do you think about criticizing the training method and what goals the training has? Is it being done to preserve a culturally valuable form of movement (valid)? Or is it being practiced to fight and win in hand-to-hand combat? Boxers will run 5-8+ miles regularly, do grueling physical conditioning, hit the bags, practice hitting focus mitts with their coaches taking full-force swings at them that they have to avoid, and of course will do plenty of both technical and hard sparring. They're conditioned to fight. When you look at the training methods of the internal, traditional, etc etc arts, can you say the same thing? Are the goals the same? What's the observable outcome? Sorry for writing the Constitution, but this topic fascinates me and you seem like you want a genuine discussion.

[@RiccardoBonci]

@@WarriorBoy please don't be sorry, and forgive me for taking this long to reply, I've been busy with recitals. You make some excellent points and made me think, and I thank you for this! I think though that we're leaving out something that somehow transcends the concept of school, and that is the human factor. I do believe that some people have a peculiar predisposition for some things, let's call it talent, and that manifests itself also as a willingness to explore and go off the beaten path - or the teachings of a school. I do acknowledge, anyway, that some schools are able to get results way more quickly than others, and it's also down to the real philosophy of the school itself, which results in it focusing more on certain aspects and leaving others to the intuition and willingless of the students. I believe that there's also another factor at play here, and that might well be a little hidden. Perhaps someone who already has the right mindset and genetic predisposition for fighting might also be subconsciously more attracted to a less academic or artistic discipline. In my case, when I chose to train I could choose between Muay Thai and White Crane Kung Fu, and felt more inclined to the latter for some reason... I was fascinated by the forms, the quality of movement the artistic beauty of it. I did some sparring too, and I loved it, even though I wasn't very good at it, at all. I have a feeling that if I had taken Muay Thai I would have been considerably worse, but then who can tell?

[@fighting.words.ma.library]

The Bagua practitioner had a solid grip on the head of the boxer. I think if he'd angled off a bit and dropped some weight on that grip, he could have off-balanced him for some knees to the face, though I'm unsure if that was allowed in this contest. We saw a little off-balancing by the Bagua practitioner, but for whatever reason, he didn't capitalize on it. To be fair, that was a lot of mass (the boxer) to move around.

[@screamtheguy6425]

Maybe the Bagua guy should train more by reconsolidation with his palm changes, because those could have been helpful at that standing grappling range.

[@Purwapada]

first palm change is good for entering which he did quite well. double palm change is good when grappling and can be combined with a throw

[@archangel98632]

From my understanding, some of the key tennants of Bagua are change and movement. This is achieved through circling footwork and taking advantage of angles. Granted I would not expect a real sparring match to look like a series of elegant palm changes, but I would have hoped the Bagua practitioner would make more use of dynamic movement and gassing out the boxer. Just my 2 cents...

[@ThePurussaurus]

Did they agree to not throwing any kicks? Or elbows? For clinching Range those would be good options. Calf kicks or oblique kicks to the legs, knees and elbows. If you can't throw them then possibly try short ranged punches like hooks, uppercuts and overhand strikes through the inside. You could also try throwing some chain punches down the centerline if that's your kind of thing.

[@rocferdable]

I'm guessing no elbows allowed.

[@Purwapada]

bagua has many throws, bagua guy needs to practice them. p.s my favourite bagua throw is like seoi-naga in judo, but the uke's arm is straightened so the elbow should break, and their leg is in front so you can do a hip throw if they sink the waist to escape the arm throw.

[@MichaelWestonAnimates]

Bagua guy here: I'd want to know how long this bagua guy's been training at the time of this vid, because he looks like he learned nice entry tie-ups to get into clinch range - which is great because it's what this style would do well with vs a boxer - but he came in with a very limited game of get in, wrap up with a clinch mostly at the neck, and then knee and palm strike while leaning on his opponent and muscling for position. This kind of misses the point of Bagua fotwork; the curving steps aren't for orbiting your opponent, they're for moving off of a line of force and coming in with your own at an advantageous angle; and you lose those options if you're falling into them. Better posture and step control, along with aiming for more underhooks and fewer collars, might have given him some better leverage opportunities. His palm strikes seemed kind of under-developed, too; particularly at @5:05 you can see this, because the large windup for those palms has very little payoff and actually exposes him to more hits to his middle. He'd be better served keeping the arm close and driving them straight in from the hip; smaller, more guarded movement *and* better power.

[@dagaffer2269]

Hadookan 🤷🏻‍♂️💥

[@MichaelWestonAnimates]

@@dagaffer2269 Also yes, if he'd practiced his down-forward-light attack he wouldn't have had this issue at all.

[@solidussnate6348]

I was watching and not quite sure why the Bagua never tried to throw the footwork of the boxer off balance for a toss or sweep. He never got the angles down.

[@kcvic]

Best hugging match I've ever seen. They both used one technique, the hug?

[@SK-bk3yh]

Did not see any hint of Bagua techniques. The Bagua guy clinched a lot

[@avakinzerochill]

I remember Novell. He and Maoshan posted on the kung fu magazine forum in the early 2000s, where I was a moderator. I'm sure they posted about this fight.

[@popsad2445]

If bagua guy learned boxing.... he must knocked opponent down.

[@Brykk]

This ref has got to get in there and break them up. Both fighters did ok, the action was good and they both showed decent movement.

[@Erime]

They probably agreed no elbows but knees okay. So only kneeing for the clinches and that big guy's fat layer protected him well. Otherwise kungfu would normally use elbows in that range - and even explosive shoulder strikes. That or just go for the throat - which can't happen in this fight for obvious reasons.

[@martialhealth4062]

So where was the Bagua?

[@neokimchi]

Honestly i was impressed with the bagua guy. the size difference was immense and yet he still consistently entered, didn't get hit as much as you'd expect (until the end), and in general i felt like the fight was where he wanted it to be most of the time, in that clinch range (even though neither did much within it). i suspect it would look different with closer sizes, maybe more successful throws and standing grappling.

[@lmurashchik]

This is why judo is such a game changer, if one of the two people knows how to use it.

[@PS-hr5wg]

Fight experience is important

[@SuperKendoman]

I'd actually love to know how sanda martial artists or their governing body choose which traditional Kung fu techniques to incorporate into their sport. Like how do they decide which ones are practical to use and can be taught to beginners that go on to compete in tournaments?

[@Autonamatonamaton]

I believe it was synthesized and tested in-house against karate, muay Thai and TKD fighters in the 60s and 70s. The punching mechanics are very much like standard kickboxing strikes, but their kicking techniques are pretty unique, particularly their side kick and spinning kicks. Their wrestling techniques are almost entirely from Shuai Jiao with some other grappling Kung Fu arts, especially how they use grappling to counter strikes or chain off of strikes

[@mengmao5033]

from the outset, it was a boxing gloved sport, so anything that involved a really solid grasp of a wrist or forearm was out. You're left with underhooks and overhooks, collar ties, and arm drags. Maybe hooking down on the trap or lat, if they're very solidly built.

[@bw5020]

I also did Baguazhang. Dude at least went for the clinch. I also expecting some toe in and out parting shots and dragon palms. But he didn't get folded and for one year of training, he did ok

[@donaldraysor9339]

He was one of my teachers a true master of multiple Kunfu Arts

[@brockmorrisontheshortround]

Wow if he is a master you can see why kung-fu is bs

[@poseidon97912]

They fight like me and my younger brother when we were middle school

[@gerausch]

Kind of hard for a boxer without boxing gloves. I'd like to see a bare knuckle fighter vs kung fu.

[@eben3357]

At the start, why did the Kung Fu fighter kick to the closed side? If it was a leg kick, fine, the boxer might have lost balance instead of having an opening.

[@MichaelPenn-wx5sk]

Standing grappling is a thing it's called ( free style)

[@chinesebob7220]

Bagua guy should have used circle walk when boxer was charging or attacking.

[@obiwanquixote8423]

I was impressed by how much gas the boxer had in the tank for an overweight big guy.

[@antoniusringlayer]

The bagua man has so many chances to do some tomoe nage unfortunately he misses them

[@SoundBoy808]

I'm not one to criticise people who are brave enough to try full contact sparring, but the ba gua guy doesn't do anything with his feet/legs, and ba gua is all about the feet. He doesn't trip, hook, or out flank the boxer. He has the basic 1st step of ba gua which is hard, i.e. advancing to the opponent and not retreating, but when you advance you then have to actually do something, not just clinch.

[@spvc4696]

That boxer looks nothing like a dedicated or serious athlete. (Edit) : He can definitely box my ears off, flat out. I'm just judging based on his body physically, his appearance.

[@oldschoolmuzzey]

🤔big = unskilled , 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🥊🥊😎🤚🏽🙏🏽

[@spvc4696]

@@oldschoolmuzzey Lol 😆

[@oldschoolmuzzey]

@spvc4696 😄🤚🏽🙏🏽

[@borissmyslov]

The boxer never goes for a combo. He does his jab and stops, letting bagua guy jump into a close range without meeting a fist. I used to be the same my first year in Karate: you don't make one hit and stop. There has to be a plan. Will it work? Who knows, but having a bad plan is better than having no plan at all

[@MichaelPenn-wx5sk]

That big dude is a beginner he has to be😮.

[@Jabzilla25]

Also the ref gave him a warning for turning away under pressure so when I jumped on him again and he turned away I knocked the mouth piece out and the ref felt he had enough

[@FightCommentary]

Thanks for sharing some more information on this match. I'll pin your comment. Everyone, this is the boxer in the match!

[@Jabzilla25]

@@FightCommentary a little more info the rule was supposed to be stand up only he can punch and kick and I do boxing . He is a black belt in goju ryu karate. I boxed about 2 years on and off at this point. I was expecting a karate style but Novell did a good job getting him more fluid with bagua. The grabbing I didn’t expect. I have a small TKD and hapkido background but wasn’t told I can kick nor grab since I’m representing pure boxing , but they let him grab. I didn’t want to wrestle back with him since I thought this may be the plan to tire me out then explode in the 3rd so I only did enough not to get tossed all over the place lol.

[@FightCommentary]

So interesting! So you fought a Goju Ryu + Bagua guy. I love it! Man, those MUSU matches are a gem! How's your journey going now?

[@kevinomahoney]

If this was an actual fight, I think it would have ended up on the ground, and all of those head shots would have resulted in broken hands.

[@robertrivera3025]

I see wasted opportunities for guillotines. Unless the rules didn't permit for that. I will say after the kung-fu practitioner landed that right hook the boxer responded with a blitz and if it was a street fight mostly likely it ended there. Good match for both.

[@JoseLopez-to2mr]

What l know from boxing and Kung Fu, this match has to much hugging and the Kung Fu guy got himself way to close with the boxer. If the Kung Fu guy use the open palm technique and Parry the boxer punches he might have an edge doing that match. But what's done is done. The boxer has good experience in close range fighting.

[@finhas8865]

Didn't see any bagua, only boxing. Mostly clinching tho.

[@TheJadekungfu]

I don't see the bagua.

[@user-om2tl8cx1t]

功夫很難用於形式上的比賽.碰到規則在打擊練習中的位置都不對.除非他們針對擂台規劃出專門打的位置去掉違規的位置.肌肉記憶會打出犯規動作.可這些傳武練習者連基本身體素質都很差.更何況功夫的招式是否能準確使出.

[@freespirit8673]

boxer???? where?????.

[@MichaelPenn-wx5sk]

The wight difference is to much,he would be in trouble if the boxer was experienced.

[@theironfox2756]

I think all combat sports should use MMA gloves.

[@langvad3]

The kungfu work better on street as self-defence! He can use the really good things yhat works!.. Mostly monks I see win in the ring, théy adapt better.... 🙏🏻 📿 💗

[@ssths]

I feel like this Bagua guy hasnt been training his style effectively. Bagua is a grappling heavy system, but this guy doesnt seem to understand fundamental grappling principles. he knew how to get to the right positions, but not how to do anything with them. he kinda just tried to pull on the opps upper body and twist him around. but without doing the proper setup work, that stuff isnt effective. the bagua guy would probably be a lot better with his bagua if he went to like a wrestling seminar. not saying he should become a wrestler, but i think he could learn the stuff he needs to know, and apply it pretty quickly with a basic understanding of wrestling principles.

[@marcusmarriott]

😂😂

[@bakiterriyaki9794]

Bagua guy needs to learn to throw some hands but if no.kicks are allowed than it's just boxing- a punch is a punch whether its thrown in china or Antarctica;

[@darthpunk3510]

I didn't see any bagua.....

[@lhernandez857]

Honestly the boxer is not a very experienced boxer cause if he was he would have gotten dropped with and overhand right when he came in. When I guy comes in that way the jab would set everything up especially against an experienced boxer. Good video though.

[@martysat2760]

I don't see any Bagua footwork here, maybe the ring is just too small.

[@LunaticReason]

I would like to see an mma competition from grappling range because that is where a lot of Kung Fu is utilized particularly the trapping. The mma format as it is benefits the boxer and some form of kickboxing(Muay thai, Karate, etc). In that those systems have the expertise to knock someone and defends against such attacks. As Kung Fu practitioner myself I will personally admit that we are capable but not at level these other martial arts to do so. However styles that trap like Wing Chun are at disadvantage because it is difficult to make that point of contact. So stick the fighters closer. There wont be that immediate knock out because guaranteed trapping or rather hand control will occur while avoiding the take down.

[@jeffking9202]

This is not Bagua; frankly, it's not actually boxing, either. This is just two guys.

[@fullauto9813]

Pure click-bait. It seems to advertise these two as the flagship for both disciplines is ridiculous.

[@juelz713]

This was a mismatch

[@brockmorrisontheshortround]

Ok so we can say he was a ok boxer maybe not in his prime but still has hands on him . Now this would be a short fight if had someone in thats in better condition. When are people going to stop putting kung-fu as a Martial art thats really effective because it really isn't. Do i think its a beautiful art yes i do does it have good things about it yes . Would i work better adding with others yes it would .

[@hamedramezani3601]

This is wrestling 😅

[@xavierpachon6628]

Bagua? 😂😂😂😂😂

[@DAF21films]

The problem with the bagua guy is he is taking man up stand up literal..lol 0 footwork on display which would give him a significant advantage over the boxer who seems more like a street fighter. He is going blow for blow with him.

[@nunocarneiro464]

What the f was this ? 😂😂 Any 17 ,18 yo from my gym would have ko this guys 🤣😂😂🤣

[@archonofvoid]

these "bagua" guys LMAO, taught by who? If you can't prove your lineage you're not a flipping "bagua guy", you're a movie fanboy

[@maurywright3534]

What a straight waste of time !?!? Don't know what the hell the ba qua guy was doing. He gave Ba Qua a bad name. How embarrassing to the internal arts!

[@chrisortiz8077]

Neither of these guys are very impressive honestly 😅

[@legoat1401]

Fake boxer

[@williamzimbrakos8737]

That's the worst and disgraceful display of Kung Fu I've ever seen. He hasn't made use of any sweeps, kicks, or blocks. I would be embarrassed and ashamed to have this posted. Put the Shaolin Monk in there. It would be over in less than five minutes.

[@tysondurr50]

This is a joke.