WARFRAME 1999 has Horrific Implications - Tennocon Reveal & Speculation

[@TheDsIEGE]

So... a second video is definitely warranted and before anyone mentions it, yes, it does appear arthur is falling through the ground, something I did not notice but someone else picked up on. Thank you for letting me know and I do apologize for the mistake.

[@Vordt_]

Hey Siege, In the cutscene it says Arthur is an “Excalibur Batch” which implies there were many proto-excaliburs, or subjects set up to be proto warframes, where-as in Entrati’s notes he talks about how he brought “More than mere health” once again a characteristic of him seemingly ignoring the people he experiments on. I wonder if any of this is significant?

[@tshepomaluleke2475]

Is the "triple faced goddes" supposed to be the Lotus Like Margulis, Lotas, Natah Her three fazes/faces in reference to the moon But the part where Eleanor mentions the shadow confused me

[@Vordt_]

Theoretically, if the void didn’t have time, Entrati using time travel could be him attempting to trap the indifference in a paradox? The indifference wants to change the past, but entrati has already used Arthur to create the vessels…? Enabling us to travel back to each of the Hex, but there’s something to do with the need to time travel in the first place. There’s something we’re missing with Eternalism that Entrati knows.

[@Redbeard_obby]

"We come alive moving under the neon glow" is an anagram for, "Welcome Tenno we love our hivemind gang" Just sayin

[@agingerbeard]

3 videos!! 😂❤ the theory crafting and speculation is so fun and interesting

[@aquamarinerose5405]

"Transformed into a hideous maw" As though our helminth wasn't ALREADY a Hideous Maw.

[@Abb-overseer]

same

[@GarroThposer]

It's a CUTE maw, that one would eat my cat and not spit it out

[@XxImStarvingxX]

@aquamarinerose5405 Hey!Don't talk about 'Jerome' that way.

[@TMHedgehog]

You might even say it's Ravenous.

[@brendanbush2174]

How dare you even reference my son 'Spare Ribs' in such a vile manor

[@starhawk3657]

I know people have gotten tired of multiverse stories but I love the way Warframe does it because it combines many elements together you wouldn't think of. Bringing together the culture of 1999 with the cosmic horror of the void and setting it in a post apocalyptic earth is very impressive. That's why Warframe's story is one of my all time favorite. I'm always excited to see where they go next.

[@TheDsIEGE]

They are one of the very few stories that doesn't completely screw it up with trying to pin down too many details until the moment it's necessary. Hopefully that continues!

[@starhawk3657]

@@TheDsIEGE Also this video really made me realize the horror of The Man in the Wall. The idea that a dude trapped in a wall could offset the multiverse despite not having the ability to move or anything is very frightening indeed. No wonder Albrecht is willing to do anything to stop him.

[@daydreamdirty]

@@TheDsIEGEit’s likely they removed some things from previous releases like with the new war not just because they were “out of time” but because they specifically wanted to save time but to be able to fit them in later down the road.

[@daydreamdirty]

@@starhawk3657yep- and in a way it mirrors Christianity too with God realizing- knowing the cost and having to do the unthinkable. To sacrifice nearly everything- and a part of himself.

[@SideQuestStories]

If you're tired of multiverse stories, you're tired of the most relevant spiritual topic of our time - Eternalism. Premonition changes the future. Context changes the past. This puts the present at the crossroads of a winding tapestry.

[@SivaExperiment]

Party of your lifetime is literally savathun’s song but longer. Instead of being a little hymn or Ditty it’s a full song. And I love it

[@TheDsIEGE]

That's a good reference!!!

[@brezn_4183]

Its melody needs to be everywhere

[@InsomniacDoggo]

OH NO

[@eklipz3d]

I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY THINKING THIS. Cause how sav's song is contagious from any version from a gentle hymn to a entire song

[@tooshrimpleforit]

It is a viral chant. Once it is heard. It cannot be unheard.

[@themoagoddess1820]

"everybody sing together on the 1-2-3!" didn't one of the lore segments on the man in the wall mention old orokin balla(d)s that go on that same pattern? "everybody sing together on the [rap, tap, tap]!"

[@TheDsIEGE]

YES IT DID. NICE CATCH!!!!

[@rootbeerguy690]

Which lore segment are you talking about?

[@Madman13K]

@@rootbeerguy690 it was the Nora Night transcripts posted on the warframe website in the run up to Whispers in the Wall. The Corpus you help on Deimos called in mentioning a sound with that rythm disturbing him constantly. At the time it was posted the hidden room where you buy Necramech parts had a Rap Tap Tap echoing endlessly in it from somewhere nearby, so it's pretty clear that they're meant to be the same sound.

[@rootbeerguy690]

@@Madman13K Oh cool, I wasn't aware of those!

[@Madman13K]

@@rootbeerguy690 I think they're starting a tradition of doing these for big updates. Jade Shadows also got a lore entry on the website in which Hunhow is trying to convince the Stalker to find something better to do than kill Tenno forever.

[@yamnbam4346]

The idea of the infestation calling Wally “management” is great

[@EmceeJoseph]

It seems to speak robotically through pre recorded boy band voicelines lol

[@ksNanoSquid]

If that music is really a vector for the infestation, sign me up for assimilation RIGHT NOW.

[@TheDsIEGE]

well good thing is all our friends are gonna be there too... ON THE HIGHWAY TO ,whoops... sorry about that.

[@Rekhan4242]

Probably to late for me then! I don't know how many times I have heard it already.

[@PallyKalhi]

As a dancing Ember, I am honored that you thought so highly of the sisterhood's performances.

[@erazor825]

Thank you for your service 🙏

[@Tantalust17]

There was a sisterhood? I wasn't invited

[@Hunted102]

It’s notable that Rebecca has said that the Excalibur that Arthur clashes with is meant to be the player

[@digitalon01]

That makes sense considering every warframe we see in game is controlled by a player. There are no NPC warframes. Umbra being the exception for obvious reasons.

[@BartEmbregts]

Poor Arthur. He's about to *get the asswoop of a life time.*

[@cephalonbardus8244]

@@BartEmbregts The asswoop's gonna be so strong, he'll still feel it on the floor

[@koldraxonofthefirstseven5718]

There are other exemptions. Chroma (who I believed to've been hijacked by his pelt as it resembled something Sentient, or an Infestation subfaction working with the Sentient) and the hijacked Mesa come to mind, other than the Archons. Outside of them, there's Specters, who're just constrained embodied duplicates with a strict 'programming' to adhere to, such as the Rail guardians or the Protea guardian protecting Parvos. Unless you're referencing friendly 'frames, for which to my knowledge there are zero besides teammates or others in pods, if not disabled or in pieces due to one incident or another.

[@tenyearsinthejoint1]

"Arthur, Meet my Lex Incarnon..."

[@Psionic_Dragon]

Ayyyy! I was one of the Ember's on the stage! Was great to see you in the relay, excellent video!

[@TheDsIEGE]

Thank you for that and for being there!!! That whole thing was so much fun!

[@peq42_]

27:38 I think thats a reference to the Lotus. 3 Face goddess: Natah, Lotus, Margulis. The shadow in her? The indiference, since she closed that portal at the end of the new war.

[@tshepomaluleke2475]

Damn, We had the same idea

[@tshepomaluleke2475]

I think Lua plays a part somehow

[@xenotundra3346]

​@@tshepomaluleke2475I hope not, our baby boy lives there

[@lutherdrache399]

Yup, 3 face goddess = space mom.

[@JaskaranKalsi]

I think that the lotus eater quest might be about a deal lotus made to hide the moon, that the only reason I can think of why the lotus even knows about the indeffernce

[@TheDsIEGE]

Very possible. That is quite the vanishing trick she conjured, huh?

[@godzelda123]

@@TheDsIEGE I've always had a theory that she made a deal with Wally back when she was Natah and crossing through the void. Since the void makes Sentients barren, she could have encountered Wally and asked to have children again. And thus...the Tenno.

[@steeks9132]

to add to this, one of Eleanor/nyx's diaglogue in the relay refers to someone having 3 souls + 1 unknown entity within them. this probably refers to the lotus and hints that wally did indeed enter lotus in the end of TNW

[@Jukantos]

Oh that is VERY smart and would explain why she had any knowledge on how to even stop "Wally" at the end of the New War (well, stop, or deflect, or redirect? We don't exactly know WHAT she did, only that she actively chose NOT to tell us what she saw)

[@sitchreapotere1073]

I mean, Lua could phase into the Void using technology to begin with. Lotus didn't need Wally's help to do that, she just activated the "Void Mask," "Void Compass," and "Pendula" machines - the same machines we deactivate during the Second Dream to return it back to Earth orbit. It's what the golden cage around Lua is - it allows it to phase into and out of the Void to avoid Sentient attack. It *was* the capital of humanity, after all.

[@the-grimwar]

I also felt like the "now that youre invested" was a reference to the investment schemes of both bands manager Lou Pearlman. A parasite by all accounts. Also sounds like "infected".

[@TheDsIEGE]

Or infested, that's actually what got me wondering about this song in the first place

[@the-grimwar]

@@TheDsIEGE So my comparison to Lou got me thinking... is the man in the wall the manager they mentioned? Is the original technocyte infestation a void-exposed virus, in which case onlyne are fulfiling their end of the bargain?? The "passive aggressive smile" from management??? We have all made deals with him - we invested, and he is turning up the heat!

[@SIlverloreguard]

@@TheDsIEGE I had to look up the lyrics because I swear that's what it said when I was listening to it. So much so that I have to wonder if this isn't a situation similar to Lady Gaga's Poker Face.

[@Alexus00712]

Also, now that you're infested, we're turning up the heat" is also.. Kinda mirroring how some infections kill thier hosts.. Causing the body to effectively try to kill the invading threat by causing a high fever, which also harm the host in the attempt at harming the infection.. Likely just a neat side tangent, but yeah.. Oh yeah it's also the classic way to win in plague inc.. First infect everyone, then mutate so everyone that is infected suffers lethal symptoms..

[@DeadSpace501]

It's also a message from DE to the players, "You've invested the time and effort, here's an update that's really gonna turn up the heat and change things."

[@filleis6374]

A thing to add that you might have missed is that there were some dev interviews after Tennocon where they clarified that the excal that shows up at the end of the 1999 demo is indeed controlled by us, specifically Drifter and that we will play as them during a large part of 1999. My personal theory is that we (as in our tenno) never actually "control" arthur and that we are moreso just "spectating" during the events of the Whispers quest and that when we play as him during that quest and 1999 it is more like how we play as Kahl during the New War quest.

[@thimovijfschaft3271]

"It feels like there's someone in my head..."

[@ProteoEuthismos]

@@thimovijfschaft3271 Probably tenno intercerence leaking, our thoughs are leaking. But I agree with Fille, I think we are not controlling Arthur there.

[@ProteoEuthismos]

When I whatched the entire thing It didn´t give me the impression we were controlling Arthur. I don't know why people assumed it as a fact.

[@daedalus5070]

The Helminth scene is how "we" enter the world. One of those interviews confirmed that controlling Arthur is essentially one mission so most of it will be played as Drifter it seems.

[@The-No-one]

Can't wait for the entirety of the hex to be wondering how a single being can mop the entire mall with them

[@shade6001]

Speaking more about Party of your Lifetime is that the area that used to have the Cosmic Clock before the Kalymos Sequence began has stopped making that familiar tapping sound. Instead, you can slightly hear On-Lyne's song coming from that place.

[@ali_m_]

could thatbe because of kaeli?

[@itsKimi]

the warframe universe is simply genius, 11 years old game that crafted it's story on a whim because players wanted changes, DE story writers are just on the next level.

[@Jukantos]

Holy shit "What took you so long" was a potential setup for *this*? How deep do the connections in this game go, that's just utterly insane

[@gilgameshthetreasurehunter2750]

Me who's already listened to "Party of your lifetime" a bunch: "Oh shit......oh well, guess Im cooked" *Presses play again.*

[@professoremil]

“Wait a minute… 😳😰” “OH MY FUCKING GOD!!! 😱👻” **puts it on loop**

[@agopessimist1335]

The dancing Embers will forever remain one of the most significant historical events in Warframe’s lifetime, lol. You absolutely must do a video on the lore of this consequential decision made by the Tenno. The devs must be laughing their heads off, knowing that something like this would happen eventually.

[@TheDsIEGE]

I actually made a tweet saying this exact thing, trying to get more people to come down and be a part of it, because it was a happening. Completely random, an amazing event. I feel like the odds of something like that coming together SO WELL are incredibly small. It was magical.

[@agopessimist1335]

@@TheDsIEGE Perhaps this was Entrati’s goal the entire time, lol. He wanted to gather an army to take on the Indifference, and he succeeded in recruiting hundreds of Embers across space and time, uniting them under a single banner: Heirloom Ember’s wonderful rear. Truly, Dr. Entrati’s mind is something we mere Tenno cannot comprehend.

[@brezn_4183]

The dancing embers will assure the on time arrival of the Operator

[@ryanmack99]

These sorts of spontaneous community events are really fun. It's one of the reasons I love social MMOs, despite not always participating in the gatherings themselves, knowing I can go dance with the ember's for a bit while I catch up on emails or take a breather (even if I'm going to show up as Grendel) A similar experience and a personal favourite community within a community was the league of legends community that played the now defunct Dominion game mode. I know everyone goes on about the toxicity of league (and it truly can be a depraved place as old archived tribune pages will attest) but there are always people worth meeting in almost any virtual space. ❤Within the already tiny Dominion community was a group who would throw up custom lobbies to play hide and seek on the Dominion map 😂 everyone was taking a break from the frustration of stressful queues to play League without playing league. Warframe hub parties really remind me of that. Take a break from Warframe in Warframe

[@sillerbarly4927]

I only saw dancing Grendel's when I went to the mall relay, still loved the relay and all the dialogue bits

[@aurawolf2221]

Regarding the Orikin.... the Assassult Rife description specifically references the weapon as "Pre Orokin era technology"

[@Armystrong996]

At 11:59 it was Entrati. Then at 12:00 he becomes The Man In the Wall.

[@TheDsIEGE]

I can't wait to see where this goes...

[@Blodreina1kru]

Or is at least posessed by him

[@Starcrafter23]

My guess as well

[@wanted_melon2348]

That's what they want you think

[@theAlchemyst11]

I think one of the scarier aspects to the whole Entrati/Indifference thing that's going on is... if *that* isn't actually Entrati we see... is Entrati dead, or is he a prisoner in his own body? And if so, if the Indifference is possessing Entrati the way it was able to posses the Vessel... what does that say about us as the Tenno possessing Arthur and the other Hex members to fight back against him?Are we becoming as bad as the man in the wall? Have we always *been* as bad as the man in the wall? There is certainly a duality of sorts between the Tenno and the MITW since his introduction, and I think we've all been under the assumption the Tenno were simply granted power by him like a pact a warlock would make with a demon in a way. But... what if it's less that he gave the Tenno this power, and more that he just made them to be like *him* overall? I mean the Tenno already seem to be eldritch monstrosities to most normal people in the Origin System anyways, maybe the Orokin calling the Tenno "Void Devils" is more apropos than it seems? I've theorized in the past that the Void wants to be more like the people in the "real world" and that's why it's taking on reali people's appearances and stealing away aspects of the material world... but what if it's the other way around? What if it wants to make the world more like itself instead, and the Tenno was it's first real way of doing that?

[@TheDsIEGE]

Well, I'll do you one better. What if the man in the wall is always a part of us, just like he is for entrati? During the erra cinematic, as well as the end of the war within, he's clearly IN US. As in we might be part of it's mulitude, like you said. And if it can take over just like that... what chance do we really have? Perhaps the drifter? Tough to say...

[@theAlchemyst11]

@@TheDsIEGE That's a good point with us having a part of the Man in the Wall in us, I can totally see a sort of Yin-Yang thing going on... which brings up another idea that much like in Yin-Yang, that means a part of *us* could be in him as well? Maybe that's why the Indifference is becoming less and less "Indifferent" the more we interact with it, it's not that it's stealing the human-like aspects of the Tenno but that it's always had them since the deal and they're simply growing stronger within him in the same way the Man in the Wall's power is growing within the Tenno. Which could be the key to this whole War against the indifferent, and could be what the end of the Whispers in the Wall was hinting at perhaps?

[@sunlessshadow9498]

Would also follow up from a certain lense with the weirdly prevalent fucked up kinda ‘family/found family’ the Tenno have always had going on (what with so many ‘family members’ either wanting to kill us (Hunhow, Ballas in a ex of mom sense, Erra at one point) or we wind up being adopted into (Entrati fully ranked doing so, Umbra kind of depending on how you view things etc etc)) MITW calls us kiddo constantly like our parent did (‘there’s something out there kiddo, watching us’ - TWW questline) mockingly sure but if it’s made us like it, hmm makes u think, esp given the operator’s are eternally children (Eternal children of the void) (I basically used to joke and then be semi serious that this is space family soap opera of the found family type but it DO be kinda like that from a certain way of looking at things lmao)

[@NatmerMunAlikorn]

If we draw parallels in this vein, then indifference is us, tenno. And it does everything to exist, we exist in every reality.

[@thimovijfschaft3271]

One of the Duviri pads: Q: "What is the ultimate fate of Albrecht Entrati?" A: "That's the question isn't it, kiddo?"

[@SomeDude0062]

When you brought up the Albrecht we see in 1999 during WITW, I believe that is the man in the wall taking on the form of Albrecht. I believe this because from what I've noticed is that we, the tenno, are becoming a much larger thorn in wally's side and such would be logical that wally would go back in time to potentially remove the possibilities of us ever existing.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Yep, especially if he knew albrecht was trying to get in contact with us in the present day.

[@wizardwolf1020]

I have a theory. What if everything in Warframe is one GIANT time loop? One that starts with Entrati going into the Void and as he progressively gets more obsessed with it and the Man in The Wall, he BECOMES the Man In The Wall, all the way down to taking on the physical appearance due to Void energy changing his body where he then goes on to meet the NEXT Albrecht that breaks into the Void in order for the cycle to begin anew. Part of this is because Albrecht has become so obsessed with TMITW that we’re now seeing more and more parallels between the two where we actually question if it’s Albrecht or TMITW that we’re seeing

[@holypredazor5243]

Proto Voruna would go hard because you'll get yourself 4 puppies

[@arsonist-m9k]

4 massive wolves accompanying the proto voruna... nice

[@Cynder2251]

@@arsonist-m9kthat or some kinda infested horror show

[@zynet_eseled]

@@holypredazor5243 yes. Voruna prime had better have her skills be her opening portals to actually summon her four wolves, or have them be new Kubrow genetic skins that we can go with

[@holypredazor5243]

@@zynet_eseled we can only hope

[@nocturnal7474]

You know ya gotta think did the original creator of the infestation nanites ever think about the amount bs their creation caused

[@TheDsIEGE]

Like all great inventions, in the wrong hands... well it never turns out too well.

[@nocturnal7474]

@@TheDsIEGE their "nanomachines son" there's only 2 paths for em, metal gear type stuff, and biomechanical monstrosities

[@Necroxion]

​@@nocturnal7474"okay guys, so I made these things to replenish the plants and animals you overconsumed" "Yes" "Under no circumstances are we recreating the Flood or the Zerg" "Yes" "And no boybands either" ---------------- "And I took that personally"

[@TheScrootch]

I guess you could say the same for the unnamed sentient predecessors. And the Orokin were even hesitant of green lighting that project. It really bit them in the ass

[@nocturnal7474]

@@TheScrootch tbf the orokin did have laws banning a.i. the only reason they got approved was the flaw

[@emberhydra]

"desire" Granum Parvos would be proud

[@TheDsIEGE]

Right???

[@DogeZzzz]

As a huge Half Life nerd myself I have some theories what the goofy Half Life reference might imply At the end of Half Life 1, Gordon Freeman is forced to make a choice, he either accepts a deal to work with G-Man or he is sent to a battle that he have no chance of winning, similar to the Tenno and Wally in the Zariman Not only that, but Albreitch reminds me a lot of Breen, both took advantage of the situation to become some type of leader of humanity, however no one really respects them because they know who they really are You can even stretch a little and compare Arthur to Sheppard, both are soldiers unaware of what's really going on being manipulated to kill someone who is not the real enemy And the implications? Well, G-Man is clearly angry that Gordon didn't kept his end of the deal, similar to Wally, and he also decides to be one step ahead by taking Alyx, knowing very well how this would affect Gordon and his allies, maybe Wally will do the same with Lotus? Same thing for Albreitch, will he have a similar fate to Breen? Dying because his ambitions corrupted him?

[@TheDsIEGE]

I copied this and added to my notes so thank you. May even have to play the game. We'll see if i can get my hands on it.

[@DogeZzzz]

​@@TheDsIEGE I'm a huge Half Life and Valve games lore enthusiast so if you need any references or help with the ''connections'' I will be willing to help

[@Alexus00712]

After reading this I'm suddenly very interested in knowing a lot more about the half-life (and portal) universe (or at least much more than I already do, I know quite a bit about portal already, but not very much at all about half life)

[@thewarriorcat3271]

Pretty interesting to think about!

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

​@@Alexus00712 the games can all be picked up cheap if you want to play them, and there are plenty of good lore videos, including stuff that's technically not canon but written by a former series writer after leaving Valve. As a Warframe fan I recommend looking into the character Wallace Breen in particular, you'll like him.

[@lordromanyx]

With the whole possession thing, it makes me realize the Orokin (and Helminth) were right in calling us "void demons."

[@TheDsIEGE]

Right? Kinda scary...

[@The-No-one]

And since we're literally unkillable which is why Wally is so invested in possessing us

[@awiseauthor3456]

5:40 I think that the Whispers segment happens "first", and it is Wally telling the Tenno controlling Arthur that we're too late to stop him from whatever Wally is doing in 1999.

[@unicornmagic3102]

@@awiseauthor3456 yes!! Reminded me of AC2 final scene

[@RavenUwU605]

Someone found an anagram in the first line of the chorus “we come alive under the neon glow” the anagram is “welcome Tenno we love our hivemind gang” You could argue it’s a coincidence… but it’s just too perfect

[@JamesTwice]

Something I've noticed is the Major seems to have a similar face to a certain grineer commander, Kayla

[@Jordynowo]

ive seen this comparison a lot but i do think its much more likely to be saryn or just her own character. but supposedly this isnt just the past but also a different timeline, so it could just be this timelines kayla

[@thechaospope]

Is it a coincidence that DE gave everyone Saryn Prime during the latest Tennocon? Or that Kela is the boss that drops Saryn blueprints?

[@endlessemptyvoid]

Also Rusalka is a node on Sedna. Same planet as Kela de Thaym. With how the Proto-Frames look more like their full Warframe counterpart, it does seem a bit odd that the Major doesn't really look like Saryn herself. The prosthetic arm, the gas mask, etc. really look Grineer to me. But who knows! Can't wait to see more of her anyway.

[@Alzir-n9m]

My personal theory is that the Scaldera are basically the genetic ancestors from which the grineer were later created.

[@srbingham]

I think the Coda worm manifested not because Arthur using the terminal, but because the Tenno transmitted themselves via the Helminth that burst through the wall. They tried to transfer into Arthur, he resisted, so they transferred into the Helminth and made it build their Warframe, hence the Tenno musical sting when the second Excalibur shows up. But using a Helminth as a transit node like that caused it to infect our signal.

[@KhezuOnYourScreen]

I wonder if this could also explain the existence of certain prime stuff. Like Valkyr Prime for example. Changing things in the past updates the current Origin System in real time, which would allow things like Valkyr Prime to exist, instead of Gersemi Prime.

[@TheDsIEGE]

It's possible. As i mentioned in the video, I'm not sure what's actually sacred in the old world. Can everything change or just certain things? That will be the key.

[@digitalon01]

The concept of eternalism that was introduced in the new war explains most lore discrepancies for frames like Revenant Prime and Valkyr Prime. All possible choice/chance events are simultaneously real in separate realities. That means that original Valkyr's story can still play out without negating the possibility of a reality where Valkyr Prime existed. Thinking about eternalism too much is a quick way to give yourself a headache but at least it provides an in universe reason that paradoxes are allowed to exist. The existence of the drifter and the operator at the same time is a good example of this.

[@NSMP10]

Some KZbinr explained Valk’s situation, Valkyr Prime was the prime, Valkyr Germisi was the modern version, and Valkyr is the Alad V mutilated version

[@RemnantSoul]

​@@NSMP10 I saw that but it doesn't hold up. Gersemi is Valkyr untortured/mutilated. IE: A Pre-Alad V Valkyr. Her Prime chronologically would HAVE to be the Gersemi skin but in a Primed state as the Primes were made during the Orokin era. (IE: Before Alad V even existed.) However, her Prime resembles Post Alad V Valkyr more so than Gersemi. Although if you look carefully it does seem to be a blend of the two. With a helmet resembling modern Valkyr (for recognition I guess) but the body resembles Gersemi, the broken restraints are where things become more non-sensical. That said, it is what it is. Until Xaku, DE had been very careful to avoid mistakes like Valkyr lore. But, if they make a Xaku Umbra they can actually avoid the drama/confusion a prime Xaku would be. As the Umbra process is more of a personalized process vs Priming.

[@monkeycake2612]

5:45 It's been hinted at that the Indifference was unable to follow Entrati to that particular time, HOWEVER Using our transference from our time to Arthur's left a sliver of an opening, through which transference as a whole was cut off It was the other, but only in the sense that it knew we were watching something happen in a time not our own, and it severed the link before any real information could be gleaned

[@IxodesPersulcatus]

Maybe it's worth noting that Entrati's ringtone is the riff from "Bad to the Bone" It's a stretch, but the "altered" Duviri datapads have references to "The Wall of Bone"

[@bappojujubes981]

I've been waiting for someone to talk about all the lines in the Hollvania relay, hopefully you tackle them!

[@TheDsIEGE]

I've got some of them in this video, not all. I'm most likely going to do a second video as there's just so much in there to go over. A couple different themes going on too...

[@lordmalecith2300]

@@TheDsIEGE One thing I noticed out of the many interesting things in particular is Eleanor's voice lines - she seems to know we're there, even outright stating "I know you're there! I can feel you."

[@marki1013]

​@@lordmalecith2300its like shes seeing someones memories or like knowledge since she says "what is a mara lohk" and she maybe also see the future? Because she sees the fight between arthur and the excalibur which didnt even happen

[@Mongrelntruder]

@@TheDsIEGEcould you mention how one of the boy band members says “swear to Sol”? what could this mean?

[@TheDsIEGE]

@@Mongrelntruder he could very well be referencing... "god", which is also quite terrifying.

[@Calamity556]

I swear every time I think I understand what's going on in the universe of Warframe and then DE comes out with another update that shatters my brain! XD Thanks for the video, TheDsIEGE!

[@cagebusterjapan734]

They INFECTED my PIZZA 🍕! My RETRIBUTION will be VISCERAL!

[@TheDsIEGE]

They sure did. And gave you an earworm.

[@CrudeBuster]

CONSUME US AND BE GASSY

[@professoremil]

And here we were thinking it couldn’t get any worse than pineapple.

[@darthcalanil5333]

THE DAMN SONG! It's been living rent free in my mind since the CON

[@cagebusterjapan734]

Something I am curious about is: where does our operator come into play? They said that we would be going to 1999. Moreover I am curious of the interactions between us and the Hex.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Our operator was their the whole time. Nyx in fact knew it, she said so. Further... you know how they all thought nyx was in their head? that wasn't nyx, that was the tenno, they just didn't realize it because they aren't used to us...

[@cagebusterjapan734]

I wonder if the interactions between the Tenno and the rest of Hex will be similar to the interaction between the Tenno and the Drifter.

[@jidhindharanm.p9351]

How is it we are timetravelling is my question... ​@@TheDsIEGE

[@permeus2nd]

@@cagebusterjapan734when the Excal clashes swords with Arthur that’s us and will be whatever frame we’re using at that point the drifter will take over as been the play character interacting with the group of protoframes.

[@Jordynowo]

from what i have seen it sounds like 1999 will be more drifter territory, but not confirmed

[@ChromaticCluck]

According to the eternalism thingy isn't the void all time and space at the same time. So ofc he is back in 1999. Also we are using void powers back then too so I don't see why he wouldn't be

[@allthatandatoilet9211]

we end as we began, is a very fitting quote for everything in warframe. From the story to the actual game play. Everything starts with the Tenno/ player and everything seems to be ended/ fixed/ or taken care of by the Tenno/ player. Makes me wonder how much of what we do in this world could change if for once we literally just don't do anything, like are ever present friend on the other side of the wall.

[@filanfyretracker]

the gist is we have to stop wally from getting the sports almanac. A good question will always be also which time theory does Warframe follow. Back to the Future seems to treat timelines as their own things, That is when biff gets the book 1985A is spawned and back in 2015 old biff fading away hints that a 2015A was likely forming. On the other hand general multiverse theory allows all to coexist, Like Sliders. Either way perhaps the reason the doctor needs the Tenno to break whatever Wally and possibly the infested are up to is because the Tenno are immune to shifts in the timelines. Based what I saw in TNW I would presume our handshake merged all Tenno timelines into ours. Meaning the Tenno sit outside the normal courses of spacetime, We have one canon timeline and its whatever we do. Especially now that we merged in with the Drifter. And I do admit its scary that the Tenno can hijack someone across time and space with transferrence and even makes me think, Hopefully those taken over by us need that "void attuned" part that Entrati mentions in the helminth injections of people like Arthur. Otherwise terrible implications come up about the power of a tenno if it turns out they could in theory mindjack anyone.

[@SomeWeirdNinjaToon]

I believe that Major is more of a call back to the grineer than to Saryn. I think we are making this comparaison because we are conditionned by the Hex to believe there are more out there. There are things that doesn't match with her being Saryn or a protoframe : - She doesn't have the Saryn body. As far as we have been shown, every member of the hex have their Frame's main body attached to them, like a parasite. We can recognise them easily. For the major, there isn't that as much as the poison stuff - Saryn is also a bit more about spores than just poison. The Major and all her goons give more a feeling of corrosive acid and acid pockets Instead, I believe that the Major is a call back to the Grineer : - She has a millitary title, which is a reference to the grineer's millitaristic culture - Her acid is the same color as the one you can see in grineer worlds like Sedna, Uranus and such - Her goons have a very bloated look, with aspects that make me think of grinner soldiers (Nox, Marines, Melee units, etc) - she uses a tank, which is more of a Grineer thing. If she was a Proto-Saryn, I think DE would have her use her powers instead - Her communication effect is very reminescent of Kela the Thaym I have other points but I feel like I would be here for hours. Great video as usual ^^ !

[@roshpit8749]

I sure love LORE, thanks for bringing us the LORE

[@TheDsIEGE]

ME TOO!!! This reveal was loaded with it. I didn't even include all of it!

[@notsae66]

I've been longing for an Infested centric story and Infested liches for so long! I really hope this lives up to the terror they truly represent, though the sinister boyband kimda lends itself to a different kind of vibe. I still like it, but it doesn't feel like they're going a different path to the utter, depressing terror of the Infested besieging and consuming a world.

[@TheDsIEGE]

If they do what I think they are gonna do... in my mind this story will rival any video game narrative...

[@notsae66]

@@TheDsIEGE I hope you're right. The Infested deserve their time to shine! They are the kind of horrific nightmare faction you could base an entire horror game around, or a series of movies, the type to stand beside the Flood as a worthy challenge. The fact they've been mostly relegated to a backround threat and an annoyance in the lore (with some exceptions) so far is a crying shame I hope to see rectified! The terror these things represent, the creeping, consuming malignance, twisting not just flesh but metal and even the very ground beneath you into more horrors, devouring your flesh, your mind, your very world, deserve to be represented for as frightening as they truly are.

[@meesteranonymous8177]

Idk, boybands were the worst things about 2000s so they're just as horrible as infested

[@maimer1691]

​@@notsae66 I too have been longing for more infested centered lore. The first time I truly felt chills from the infested as a faction was during my very first Plague Star event back in 2019-ish. I was still a baby Tenno at the time, hearing Konzu talk about his Uncle Hinmun.

[@maimer1691]

​@@notsae66 for reference, Konzu's exact words: "Infestation. My uncle, Hinmun, sold minerals aboard a market near Eris. Quite popular with deep-system traders. At least, it was. They were broadsided by one of these boils. It spread fast. They could have run; risked taking it with them. Instead, they turned off life support and blew out escape pods. Decades later, it still orbits Eris, writhing. One voice repeating the same message, over and over, 'We are death. Leave us, and do not look back.' My uncle's voice. Fail here, Tenno, and that will be the fate of Cetus. To be warning for the living. From a place where none may trade."

[@GunDownEr]

You hit the nail on the head with what I want from 1999 with "Consequential Gunplay" like in Remnant but I think they were just playing slow on purpose. Unless they're adding the stamina system back in or nerfing the movement speed we'll get the same "sprint-slide-bulletjump-doublejump-dodge forward into aim glide" frenetic gameplay like the base game.

[@vonrelevanz1963]

The 2000 degrees must be a metaphor, considering the infestation's weakness to heat... Also you gotta love DE's sense of humor introducing infested liches as a boygroup: -Back in 1999, I was a huge metal fan. -We referred to boygroups as a cancer upon music as a whole. -A former friend of mine kept referring to the Backstreet Boys as 'BSE' aka mad cow disease. -To quote a song I listened to back then: 'The year is 1999, the human race is dying' (Accept, Metal Heart). The band name On-Lyne seems a pun towards most warframers being terminally online. Aside from that, to my own surprise, I actually like their song (technocyte earworm), but if I applaud them in game, there'll be alternating waves of heat, cold and blast.

[@_Dr4k3_]

One thing I was thinking of is one of the Zariman tablets found in Duviri. We do know Albrecht's been there at one point. The tablet that interests me the most for this video is: What is the core thesis of The Palimpsest of Spacetime? 1) Events can be rewritten; traces of the original persist 2) Everything that exists could, at any point, be erased The correct answer is the first...

[@bluebutterfly6394]

On the question if its Albrecht entraty or the indifference : Does it really matter in the end?

[@TheDsIEGE]

Good lord that's the scariest reply yet.

[@azure4622]

At this point we may have to stop both

[@honestmistake8167]

I finally caught a premiere, and then suddenly i had to walk the dog. One day i'll be able to watch this live.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Good thing is, the video will always be right here, waiting for you just like richard marx said all those years ago.

[@bluebutterfly6394]

just an other day in the origin system

[@TheDsIEGE]

Dancing Embers, Killer Boybands, infected pizza and top 40 hits, everyone... It just doesn't get any better than this.

[@leachblah6313]

It is interesting that both the tenno and Albracht are already part of the wally even before the Zariman accident.

[@greap2294]

12:46 BACKSTREET BOILS.

[@Alowne00]

Protoframe seem to be like a Umbra pre madness

[@TheDsIEGE]

Maybe... they can talk though... I'm still not sure about them.

[@TheScrootch]

With time being weird in Warframe you never know. But I'm pretty certain Ballas' Warframe projects came first and Albrecht just copied Ballas' homework to make some nice lackeys to fight against the indifference. Albrecht is an outsider to 1999 anyway. But I do wonder if his actions will change the future

[@Alowne00]

​@@TheDsIEGE i had written a huge paragraph but the more i wrote the more question i had, it seem like the timeline is being solidified in a way where its going to give us a more solid idea of perhaps how frames were made ... and who made them and how? we might actually see 2 to 3 stories taking place at the same time, Albretch and the indifferrence, the start of the orokin and the predessesor of the infestation we know today that the orokin later use to make the weaponized infestation, but there are a couple of implications here that leaves me with a lot of questions, clearly Eleanor can see "us" as the tenno and arthur saw Albretch, like there must have been predecessor to tenno otherwise why doesnt eleanor doesnt panic from seing us puppeteering Arthur? and she doesnt care? if she isnt surprised that leaves me to believe that Tenno's arent a new thing, even seen as helpful, but why? we litterrally possesse people, so yeah as usual from warframe lore, were left with more question than answer

[@meatwax]

The ONLY dissapointment was the lack of the obligatory rap verse in the song, it totally seemed like it was gonna do at the lyric "STOP" and small breakdown.

[@tyrantofcans465]

Honestly, with each of the 1999 frames being referred to as from "batches", I'm willing to bet serious money that there are more warframes wandering around, individuals that have been infected and thus elevated, but they aren't a part of Arthur's posse. Instead, I can see them as bosses in 1999, or maybe the origins for the out of control techrot. Maybe when you lose control to the divine beast, it transforms you into a creature that spawns more of those warframes? Either way, the Rhino Bossfight is going to be metal as hell.

[@mrmakovec6198]

"metal as hell" *laughs in Iron Skin*

[@zasli5118]

Warframe best F2P game in the MMO category. No contestors.

[@TheDsIEGE]

It's better than most paid games too...

[@zasli5118]

@@TheDsIEGE yes

[@thecastleofnothing7074]

Pointing out something, under each of the Hex members' names, is batches Batch: Nyx It's possible that the doctor also brought over from his and our present-day warframe designs and made multiple batches of the proto frames. After all, most of the Hex syndicate appear to have all of the warframe powers, excluding the Cyte-09 proto frame, as we do not know his power set or if he was made in the past or the future.

[@TheDsIEGE]

That's actually what I believe, Ballas' designs brought into this time and introduced to already infected hosts with the technocyte.

[@shiddter]

@@TheDsIEGE maybe creating a loop that neatly closes prime frames and normal frames?

[@Psycorde]

​@@shiddterThat'd be actually clever, not something I'd expect from Warframe writers at this point.

[@permeus2nd]

15:59 ok it’s upside down and I had a real hard time reading this message but I did laugh “”He things everyone should be treated the same, because their nutritional value is the same””

[@daviddelisse9712]

Lavos prime would go crazy lol

[@richardharrison6734]

Need Lavos and Kullvero prime variants

[@Al--kj4qg]

@@richardharrison6734 Ong ive been waiting for his prime ever since his release

[@daviddelisse9712]

@@richardharrison6734 kullervo should come out in 2 years, the issue now is the fact that de skipped two primes being xaku and lavos. They have provided no explanation as to what they're reasoning is. Lavos is also the oldest frame without a deluxe which is also really odd, I'm a lavos main and I'm coping lol.

[@RandomName2.0]

When they showed sev breaking in line to get primed: "We were this close to greatness."

[@johnP0908]

@@daviddelisse9712 fr, I bought the Tennogen instead of waiting and enjoying the aesthetic so far. NGL, I'd be salty. but the 3 frames(Lavos,Sevagoth,Xaku) are my favorites. so I can't exactly complain which goes first.

[@FarookKMOON]

ETERNSLISM but it's getting scary yes, the possibility of 2 time lines colliding or having an "amalgam" of a time line will be crazy. I don't feel like it's weird to be in Arthur's head as much in other stories some characters team up with ome being in the others head as a psychic being and who knows we might be able to send our own frames in there and directly communicate with the HEX. And that song is literary going "viral" in the Warframe community, and is the pizza contaminated??? 😭

[@MagpietyandMead]

The image of Century III Mall abandoned in the beginning hit hard.

[@SYNDICATE12368]

Firstly, great video! You're really entertaining :) Secondly, I have a theory on why the group doesn't get along with Quincy and vice versa. I think that Quincy used to be part of Scaldra or some form of military unit due to his beret and his attitude towards the Major, with him saying that Arthur should leave her to him and "respect his methods". When Arthur asks for support with the tank, Quincy is also the one to tell him about the vents on the top. I think that Quincy was possibly given to Albrecht by the Major, maybe in an attempt to create a new type of soldier. However, after the experiments, Quincy joined with the Hex and wants payback against both Albrecht AND the Major. The rest of the Hex don't like him cause he's very confrontational, and he doesn't like them because he just thinks they need to get out of his way and let him deal with the Major. I think that for characters such as Amir and Eleanor that Albrecht is more of a personal priority to them because of his experiments on them, especially Amir due to Eleanor's dialogue on him being "nobody's project" whereas for Quincy, his personal priority is the Major. Either way that's just my own personal theories on the characters. Once again, great video and keep up the good work :)

[@ImperialWarrior6490]

Okay first off, SUBSCRIBED! Second, this is definitely bigger than how I first viewed the gameplay while at Tennocon. I knew that something was off with the stage being in the Orokin system because somebody would have found it by now due to time and it just being a giant sound stage blasting music. I thought that, because the music is catchy, it was used as a ways to lure in victims, kind of like Arlo using his "healing" to lure in followers. That it would disable ships when they got too close and then the infested would pull the useless ship in. But that didn't answer how the stage and music got there in the first place. Something happened to bring it in from then to now. And now. After watching the video, the past is changing... and I'm afraid. Definitely cannot wait to watch more videos!

[@TheDsIEGE]

Thank you and there's way more coming, this I promise!!!

[@moo349]

He even hyper analyzed the song 🙏🏼😭 Such a great video! Keep up the great work! The “bye” at the end gives me chills every time 🗿

[@TheDsIEGE]

you mean that it's "party of your life"... TIME? yeah, that is amazing.

[@jacobmc9738]

I wonder what types of weapons the infested boy band will give us. My guess is either sound based or mostly melee oriented weapons

[@Matheus_M0ura]

Sonicor???

[@daviddelisse9712]

I'd assume that there may be a kuva bubonico, caustacyst, pathocyst, keratinos, sporothorix, pulmonars, and catabolyst are some options.

[@kinglycrimson]

Doesn't matter to me I'm converting them so I can have them perform for me

[@nico._lombana]

DE hates Melee, probably another generic AOE and OP primary that destroys 4 rooms with a single button.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Sound based weapons would actually be pretty cool... Like a machine gun type speaker??? WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW. That sounds fun, uh, literally!

[@darkfur1436]

I heard apparently Nyx was originally going to be a female version of Excalibur but the original alternate Warframe gender idea was eventually scrapped, and the model for Nyx was eventually reused for a separate frame. Makes the 1999 versions being siblings have an interesting connection.

[@captionato]

Another Dope vid, was an amazing watch, now listening to the song will be quite interesting to say the least ;-;. I CANT GET IT OUT OF MY HEAD

[@TheDsIEGE]

They have you... like they have me, lol

[@MitchManix]

Recently discovered your channel. Amazing videos mate. Such an underrated channel.

[@ashamane]

I really love these lore videos, warframe is so subtle in its story delivery and I definitely overlooked some of these connections. The comments have been great as well!

[@TheDsIEGE]

The comments teach me more about the game than I ever learned just from the gameplay itself. Got some real lore experts here but also... some really funny people. I love it!

[@cjd2889]

"2000 degrees" could also be a reference to 98 Degrees, another popular boy band from the late 90s.

[@Psycorde]

It's a reference to red hot knife KZbin fad fr fr

[@chaosstripe9446]

5:45 The answer is yes. To clarify, it is Entrati speaking, up until the clock exactly hits midnight. Most likely, whatever Y2K shenanigans are going on either remove Entrati's defense against Wally or open the entire universe to Wally's influence.

[@chrisshepherd3998]

Such a great channel for inspecting things that go right over my head. Your foreshadowing is unmatched, and my mind is blown!

[@TheDsIEGE]

Thank you so much! I appreciate that. It's my favorite thing to do with video games, lol

[@ddaavvee95510]

Your videos are very well put together, really spiked my interest and intrigue in the warframe lore.

[@meatwax]

1999 was a great year. There was an optimism about the future everyone had, that i haven't felt since. Fight Club, The Matrix, Office Space, and Episode 1 , all came out that year. ...and now Warframe. Story wise...the big picture I'm getting is "its seduction as a tactic opposed to aggression to achieve conquest" U

[@Psycorde]

There's apparently interviews with Rebecca after the con. She supposedly said that the second Excalibur which Helminth spews out is us, the player, and is the point of the quest where POV switches to ours. It's how we get to 1999.

[@aLlawleit]

there is also the fact that "We come alive, moving under the neon glow" is an anagram for "Welcome Tenno, we love our hivemind gang"

[@Alphade-rp3qx]

A very simple notion comes to mind whenever paradox are brought up come to my mind : "If a person goes back and time and does any changes to the past , then there's a 99 percent chance for the events for that person to change so they are never born or never develop in such a manner to have the possibility or impulse to travel back in time ." From thus we can extract that , an action to change the past , has a very high probability to lead to the future that caused that person to go in the past to never exist in that timeline , thus the original timeline remains and the changed one is expunged, the person time traveling can no longer return consequently, for it represents the primer for and expunged timeline , yet he returns for matter can not be destroyed , now I ask what would this posible doppelganger remember? That he attempted time travel then immediately returned, for memories of an expunged timeline would not be possible by logic for it would allow the duplication of matter , wich is impossible, so the original time traveler is expunged from the main time line or it's memories are , or the original is stuck in an incomplete pocket of posible reality that would end up I hypothetical dispersion of matter . Quite the complex discussion comes ,whenever time traveling apears, is propagated , how interesting.

[@Darth_Melek]

I just realized that at 5:35 the kavat looks straight at us rather than Arthur just as "Entrati" says "You are late"

[@TheDsIEGE]

It actually makes a lot of sense if you really think about it...

[@Heron654]

I feel like this is as good a place as any to bring this up. Is it just me or does Entrati talk a lot like the G-man from half life? It's the cadence I think.

[@ReviewersGuildArSR]

So when i was in the mall, i decided to chill around Eleanor, and uh ... She knows the Tenno and possibly the Drifter are there and that they're psionic like she is (being that she's protonyx) will she keep that a secret? Or tell the others that we're around? Also, that Excalibur that comes out. Is that us?

[@WraithReaper09]

Yes, the Excal is us. The clash is when the gameplay switches from Arthur to us. It's been confirmed, also the romances are via our Drifter not our Operator.

[@stevet6975]

Thank you siege. Now i finally get why the albrecht doppelgänger said we were late. Its because there indifference reached 1999 and was mocking us “lol you just got here? (Laughs in void tongue)”

[@AntiCaesarReal]

6:12 im not so personally sure thats anyone except entrati controlling that hand. Whispers made it seem like they both were expecting each other?

[@ivanaranas3235]

As someone who has lived through 1999, I can confirm that the year was this wild. And talking about boy bands, their impact was so infectious that there were so many bands formed during the era.

[@gratianray2]

8:40 after the intro quest we'll use our warframes and weapons so at regular levels it will definitely be a walk in the park similar to other updates, if you don't nerf yourself on purpose, at best they use the space to create similar stuff to netracells and deep archimedea so there's some challenge and purpose for a fully decked out arsenal in the steel path that give some meaningful rewards (but not shards because there's already 4 different ways to get shards)

[@grixonyt]

Entrati and parvos will be our new villains gorging on the void and the indifferences that bind it.

[@Paweł_Szałek]

It is also worth noting that in music coda is a final part of a piece, an ending.

[@Skelephone]

Love the transition at 00:50

[@AJCherenkov]

Given that Arthur is mentioned as an option for the dating sim, I'd guess we either gain the ability to switch between Hex members, or we use something like the 1999 Helminth to produce a more suitable vessel.

[@OblivionCairn]

By the by, mentioning Remnant 2, I don’t think the fans wouldn’t mind a lore video on that if you ever wanted to branch out. It’s an amazing game

[@logicerrormusic]

Imho, as they always did, with On-lyne they're hinting at the next big story. While we were progressing on the Ballas storyline we got heavy hints at the Man in the Wall storyline, now that we're in the Man in the Wall they're just suggesting how the story will go after we will defeat Wally, probably the Infested will literally try to take over everything through time and space and make the whole universe one single thing.

[@jefftheindianchief8279]

I honestly think the Infested will finally have a proper lore explanation for their origin, but outside of that, the hive mind will never compare to what lies beyond. Tau is the end goal, Pazuul lurks from beyond, a true war will take place. Whether or not the Man in the Wall will use this conflict to his advantage is a mystery. Everything is a means to an end, and we may never truly destroy the Indifference, but we can bind it.

[@silentcalling]

I can't help but wonder if Albrecht's very presence introduced to the void was the very catalyst for the creation of the "man in the wall" - a being that did not exist until the void was made impure. Further, the Indifference tracking Albrecht isn't actually doing so - but is instead a component of his consciousness that splintered off when he first breached the veil and entered the void. Just like how Lotus' hand guides the Drifter out of Duviri and back to her, so does the Indifference draw Entrati back through its paradoxical finger.

[@rushdrift]

you can relate this with the duviri where they talk about void basically timeline this would be really interesting

[@liberty-theonewhoalwayschanges]

Personally I was a lil scared abt this whole 1999 thing, I was afraid warframe could start going in the wrong direction... but let me tell you my friend, you made me fall in love with it even more and made all my fear go away... I love all these sinister and obscure implications and you definitely gave smt to think abt, always amazing videos, my man🤩🤩❤❤❤

[@Vixilliance]

i always suspected that indifference fuel itself with increasing bigger paradoxes and become stronger with each one

[@jman518192]

I kinda zoned out during the intro but that bop you were playing was straight fire! I was bopping to that even while distrac....what was that? It's written by monsters for the purpose of destroying humanity?? Well damn I've been waiting for them to just come out and say it we all know the music biz is evil....oh in the game???? Oh hell no. Red alert! Sound the alarm call errybody who still has a Warframe.... because that's step 4 on the devil's return plan!!! In the game or real life? BOI BOTH!!! Now get errrrryyyybody! 🤣🤣🤣

[@Redreaper-hh4tn]

the on-lyne song takes me back to the dark sector plot, when the main antagonist would use the infestation to broadcast its signal, this song feels vaguely the same, and i come to believe that, dark sector events did happen, but now, since entrati went back in time, that has changed now, history as you said, as been changed

[@juul2958]

My personal theory for the gemini skins is that when we switch our warframes with them we dont actually get to control them. Thats why arthur is saying let me take care of this, their minds arent fully infested so they still have free will in some capacity. So we are just watching pretty much (while controlling him ofcourse), and when we pop out as operator this means he will continue to fight like excal umbra. They wanted to do this in the past but didnt because of lore implications. So they might do it now! And yes this does mean the skins should be earnable in-game and not bought with plat, for obvious reasons.