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[@securatyyy]

Shoutout to Rell for being able to contain that Giant wall demon at all.

[@shathaan1763]

rell the goat, autism was his super power ;)

[@Bergensape]

Seeing the man in the wall like this could mean Rell is finally loosing his remaining strength? Would we see more about Rell? Maybe help him in some other way?

[@securatyyy]

Rell already lost his strength. During the chains of harrow quest we were introduced to Wally. The reason we started to see him is because Rell was losing the battle. As far as I'm aware, Wally is now free to do what he wants- whatever that may be.

[@charleshelgren2490]

Rell is the man in the wall… harrow is the man I. The wall as a Tenno

[@tuahsakato17]

@@shathaan1763 rell was an Anon all along. Praise KeK

[@329Phantom]

"Paradox. You behold an absence. Describe it." - Cephalon Cy when you touch the reliquary drive in your railjack I don't think Lotus was untruthful when she said she saw nothing.

[@AngryCaesCorporation]

The way she says it at the end of the quest ("I saw... nothing. Nothing.") with her tone clearly showing she's quickly correcting herself only means she doesn't want to tell the truth. To protect us, possibly ?

[@GearheadPrime]

@@AngryCaesCorporation Or she saw Nothing, and has no context to describe it.

[@AngryCaesCorporation]

@@GearheadPrime That would be possible if her tone was different. You can very clearly hear she's interrupting herself mid-sentence.

[@NeroCM]

@@AngryCaesCorporation If you saw nothing, not an empty space of a dark space, but literally nothing, the absence of anything, no light nor darkness, just emptiness... would you be able to answer that question without hesitating?

[@AngryCaesCorporation]

@@NeroCM Whatever, my guy. Just think what you want, I'm tired of arguing over such an insignificant detail.

[@securatyyy]

Pretty sure she struck a deal with wally to hide the moon in the void back in the old war. Alas V said something like "I knew the lotus was powerful, but this, this is incredible" during the 2nd dream

[@sophocles2083]

That would account for our lack of understanding of how she actually hid the moon, but in the chains of harrow quest she states that the man in the wall is a void induced hallucination, and we aren't given any hints or cues to interpret that as a lie, benevolent or otherwise, despite her history of doing so

[@DanielTejnicky]

Oh hey that's RIGHT! I kinda wondered about how *a sentient* managed to do that. I assumed it was same ?magic? powers she used just now to close the void portal, but THIS is really good point!

[@hiddenblaze]

Alad*

[@scottbaker7221]

You missed the limbo quest. Limbo shattered after sending the moon to the void.

[@securatyyy]

@@scottbaker7221 I never heard that before. Iirc Limbo shattered himself. Lotus put the moon into the void, going bell the dialog in the sending dream

[@kokurai4357]

Damn, this really brings out the quote ''Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.” Nietzsche's quote. I have not read a lot of WF lore since stopped playing but will probably bring me back just for the lore. Hope we get more lore drops

[@demonintellect9834]

Probably won't get any major lore quests for another 3 years. Last one we really had was the Sacrifice.

[@ironbatman9689]

My theory of how eternalism will be applied in the future is that duviri (the shadow realm from the duviri paradox trailer and where "NW spoiler" has been since the zariman-ten-zero incident) is a plane of existence between realms created by choices and because the operator made a deal with devil (of sorts) in this plane, that's where "NW spoiler's" zariman came into existence

[@mohammadtaufiq8796]

I thought the same too

[@user-yb9fo8ip1v]

Huh, now that you mention choices, perhaps all the story choices we've been making and that light/dark meter will finally come into play, perhaps by deciding how the other us or wally will act.

[@GreenGuyGeno]

I also want to throw in the Fermi Paradox, which tries to explain our cosmic isolation (as in no alien contact) and states that all life must pass through an evolutionary barrier that determines whether a species is allowed to flourish or doomed to extinction, and it's unclear whether or not humanity has crossed this barrier. If humanity has, then our seeming loneliness in the cosmos means we're one of a handful, if not the only species, to cross and survive. If we haven't, then our loneliness means none has passed this barrier and we're on put to the test of literally cosmic proportions. Now... let's say this barrier is literal. A wall. What if the Void is the next step as a species to evolve? The Orokin have basically mastered most if not all reality can offer: total control of energy and matter, immortality, interstellar travel, terraformation, etc. They have achieved mastery of everything. But what about mastery over "nothing"? The Orokin have only a basic understanding of the Void, and barely harnessed its true potential (Warframes and Void-based travel being the seeming pinnacle of this understanding). But this nothingness is alive, for in the Void, nothing is everything. And from nothing, breathes infinite potential since it's not bound to laws of reality. If you're going to achieve a trancendance, you'll first have to pass through and embrace nothingness and entropy. The Tenno have made the first steps with their deal with the Man in the Wall and adopted Eternalism in their very being as well as the ability to harness some of the Void's power. Now, can you survive in the Void, with its own rules, now that you've seen what it can do to reality? You have harnessed a fraction of nothing. Are you willing to accept and embrace nothing? The wall is testing you, and its enjoying watching you try like little ants. tl;dr: The Duviri Paradox is the Warframe equivalent of the Fermi Paradox. The Man in the Wall is a literal barrier that stands in the way of humanity as a species to ascend reality and ascend oblivion. To become gods, you need to master everything and nothing.

[@justicebrown1077]

I really like this theory

[@Mooseamation]

I always thought the "Man in the Wall" was an entity that represents the focal point of all choices, or the paradox that all actions or lack thereof are a choice. The Void itself being connected to all places and things, to have the ability to supply power yet drain it, implies the Orokin simply learned how to control choices from other places. But Being an entity of choice, yet never being able to make any choices, might make you a bit bored. You don't exist on a physical plane, only a plane of "energy". So when you have a ship enter your form, almost ploped into your lap, you find someone who may give you the choice you want, but through the only way you know how. A Choice. And in doing so, attempt to create a conduit through which void energy can flow. But not everything goes to plan, free will, yada yada yada. But then come the warframes, surrogates designed to channel the Energy of the Void in extremely unstable amounts, with no directive of their own. In our experience in game, a concious has always stood between complex functions and pure void energy. Umbra, our Operator, Lotus, whatever you can think of, all of it required a 3rd party input. Except In the second dream, when your Warframe acts on it's own. The Warframe, having no input of it's own, acts as a well for Void energy. But While the void still wants something, to say a physical influence on choice instead of a simple observation stand, It cannot prevent choices. But where there is no choice, it may be able to choose to step in. In stopping Hunhow from killing us (The Operator) it set in motion the path we ended up going on, towards the Chains of Harrow quest. When that happened, however, we chose to free him, while destroying the Surrogate. The Man in the wall cannot stop choices made by the void, or rather It cannot control what choice it's energy is used for. Which may be the end goal overall. Or maybe I'm just crazy and read into things too much idk.

[@balbalofficial8212]

I'm reading this at least 3 times and I have no idea what any of it means lmao

[@joshualee5555]

A paradox of the void being void of that which creates the void. Choice. Lol Legit though. I don't think this may be exactly it, but you definitely brought up a good point. We still don't know how our warframe moved on its own in second dream...

[@silentdave9696]

@@joshualee5555 the lotus?

[@joshualee5555]

@@silentdave9696 did lotus use transference on our warframe. Was that confirmed and i missed it?

[@silentdave9696]

@@joshualee5555 probably not but it definitely sounds like it could be a thing. In all likelihood the only other plausible entity that has that amount of control over the warframes are the tenno, i would imagine The Man in The Wall, or maybe even the lotus? But I'm not even sure of the lotus is capable of transference since she is a sentient herself?

[@silverback7348]

A 4th possibility: She was trying to protect your Tenno from having Wally come collect on his debt, and when she couldn’t stop him she made a better deal to save you and had no recollection of the deal, just like you, until it comes due. Wally smiles at you through Lotus when the deal is made.

[@dream8870]

wow you know what that actually sounds good, but this will also mean we have to either save or kill lotus once again alas i do hope that isn’t the case, but chances are she’s definitely possessed, in some form

[@Tracy-xe9zu]

Oh shit son, that's a crazy theory and I love it

[@LizziePup]

Vitruvian Man has been alluded to before too, in The Sacrifice's Ballas recordings. In that case, it was showing frames as the 'man'. We won't know for a while, but possible allegory going on down the line.

[@rafabuda0]

Ballas' journal, that you recover from Umbra's cell, is literally called a Vitruvian.

[@benjaminlim3936]

Like you said, DE has a lot of cards to play at this moment by keeping things vague so atm probably the man in the wall will be the next protagonist to warframe story moving forward but he may be controlled or manipulated by something else hence lotus smile after he disappeared at the ending of the new war.

[@tellmeninetails5819]

If you look at what the camera did, it insinuates that we can only see the man ontop of the wall.

[@ATXmustangs]

My biggest talent is always being able to tell what's in a wrapped present. It's a gift

[@sitchreapotere1073]

I love how the New War both tied up (almost) every plot point from the last eight years and set up the next story arc all at the same time. I'm really excited for the future of Warframe after playing the New War.

[@ML7WL]

Major plot points, yes I do agree. Minor plot points tho...They didn't explain: If Erra died in the moon invasion, how he came back? The orokin reprogramed Natah or it's just another of Ballas lies? What Hunhow was doing this whole time and why? How Ballas escaped the tenno purging of the orokin empire? What was the "mother's light" the lotus had they needed so much? If Ballas created an "second" orokin empire, what the stalker thinks about it? Would he have not joined Ballas? Why the stalker is still very aligned with hunhow? The blue kuva the sentient stealed from the unum tower were just in that murex that exploded or the sentient now have "reproduction" capabilities again? Lotus now have control of the majority of the sentient faction? And why Ballas gave us the paracesis? To manipulate us into killing the lotus once she was not needed anymore? To forge a weapon to kill her that he could forge himself? What happens between the operator stabbing and disposal into the void and the drifter showing up I think they will explain in the duviri paradox...hopefully...

[@motodog242]

@@ML7WL The drifter heavily references Duviri. The rest of that shit got timeskipped over, so we’ll probably get a pamphlet on it, or something.

[@ceral1871]

@@motodog242 it’s just lazy writing

[@sitchreapotere1073]

@@ceral1871 lol

[@take_another_trip]

@@ML7WL to explain those missing parts that either dont connect or are not explained is because The New War was supposed to be an entirely different thing from what we got, thats why at start Ballas gives us the sword but in the end he is the bad guy, because insider info told us that basically DE had a plot that got a bit too over the top and complicated so they scrapped it out and made a new quick one, thats why the quest feels...incomplete per se in terms of not explaining certain parts

[@avsbes98]

6:54 Notably, we have also sometimes been called Gods or similar terms, for example Teshin called us Gods in one of the New War Trailers. Sentients could also certainly be seen as Demonic so maybe it's something along the lines of the Tenno and Sentients being kindof Yin and Yang, light and dark, opposites that need each other and who is what just depends on perspective. Notably, as you mentioned, the Void is inverted, so maybe we are Gods in one World and Demons in the other, while it's the other way round for Sentients?

[@demonintellect9834]

Sentients are machines, let's not forget that. Also the whole eye of the beholder thing is a lot less profound than you think it is because that applies to most conflicts.

[@NeroCM]

Sentients cannot enter the void. At all. It's said in Second Dream. In a way you could interpret it as the Void being heaven, we as gods having access to it and the sentients as devils being banned from it, but it feels iffy.

[@zackstokes508]

@@NeroCM They can, Lotus even says so herself, they just pay a heavy price (not being able to bear children/"we became barren" to use Lotus' words herself)

[@Baradiele]

This is all incredibly useful since for the whole quest I got stuck on thinking WHAT Tennos could be...here's my thoughts: In this quest DE established there IS a multiverse, so all those rules should apply. Thinking about it and seeing how we get our powers after grasping the hand of our other self, Tennos are substantially an oxymoron. Being ALL existng in the same body BUT ALSO in their respective universes. They also mantain the memory of every version of themself but only when the boy grows in age...this would explain both how the drifter knows of Duviri and he also knows how to get his powers back "when the time is right". In fact when Ordis says "It would be useful to have that Tenno Magic right now" the Drifter replies with "Yeah, but I dont have it. Or rather, I don't have it...yet.". He KNOWS he would have lost his powers but around THAT TIME in the prime reality the Zariman Accident was happening. It's hard to describe, but to put it blandly: Every reality exists at the same time but every reality has his OWN time. This is more or less my personal brain fart on the matter.

[@NeroCM]

I feel like rather than the typical multiverses seen in comics, we should see this as an interactable version of the Many Worlds interpretation of Quantum physics. The many world interpretation, in the most basic way possible, says that whenever a possibility is "chosen" the other possibilities are also chosen in other worlds. So, when you have to pick between eating an apple or a pear, there will be one world where you eat the apple, one where you eat the pear and one where you eat neither. Going deeper into it, you realise that when you say "choice" it's actually every single detail that could be different. In one world you were born a boy, in one a girl, in one you were never born... there will be infinite worlds where the only difference is what pair of socks you've put on this morning, all the way to worlds where you're dead because someone decided to cross a red light and hit you with a car. The difference is that, in real life, this theory declares it impossible for the worlds to interact. If you buy a lottery ticket and it's not the winner, you can't access the world where you won. In Warframe, you can. Specifically to New War when you shake the hand of MitW you see other versions of you going crazy because of the void and one of you surviving with your mind intact. Then you see another version of you who wasn't rescued and instead remained on the Zariman (and offers you sushi in what has to be one of the cutest scenes I've seen in this game).

[@Baradiele]

@@NeroCM Yeah, a way more "in depth" explanation of the infinite universes theory but that's almost what I meant. BUT rather than seeing the many versions of you going mad and all, I think it's the many versions coming litterally in contact with one another and so this could explain the "power" of the tenno. Being many but all one in every universe.

[@spamhere1123]

Yep, and it's also the explanation of why the Tenno are _unkillable,_ but not truly _immortal._ Tenno have literally infinite lives. An infinitely dense infinite, like the total amount of real numbers infinite. For every time we get hit by a bullet and get "killed", there's a version of us that stepped slightly to the left instead of the right and that bullet missed, with no other difference in our entire history, and we can just "be" that version of ourselves. However, we age. We know Rell knew he would die of old age eventually. All versions of ourselves do, as far as we know. So we aren't immortal, merely unkillable. Thing is, we also have two, previously completely separate and un-interactable, branches of our own personal multiverse--the point in time where we had to answer a yes or no question that changed our very nature: to take the deal--or not. Those two choices formed two entirely separate and uncrossing multiverses of us, until the Drifter found a way to cross over. I also think it no coincidence that he/she was able to do so only after our operator was "banished back to hell" by Ballas. How was this possible? Not sure. But I found it interesting.

[@philiplynx6991]

I hadn't really noticed it at the time but given the matching smiles on Wally and Lotus in that scene the idea that Wally might have hitched a ride doesn't strike me as too out of bounds.

[@AngryCaesCorporation]

Lotus isn't smiling in that scene, she's struggling against him.

[@rafabuda0]

I don't think that's it, for me it just looked like she was giving her child a kind smile, to reassure them. What I think happened there is that Wally showed her something, something she decided to not tell us yet. The way she corrects herself made it seem like it wasn't something that would be bad if we had heard it, but rather that we shouldn't know of it at this time.

[@Medjed159]

Please keep doing this kind of content! Love watching lore/speculation videos, really happy seeing warframe getting some more.

[@eeftankian]

I'm absoutely certain Wally's in some way in Lotus now, the way she moved and looked at her hands looked like he was adjusting to be in her body and the smirks she gives jus lt seals it for me

[@holloworeo2233]

This could honestly be true, or just Lotus being happy to reunite with us.

[@ScytheFly]

one thing is clear, They make it seem like Lotus is able to hold Man in the Wall but in the end she clearly can't hold him. He go back by his own will.

[@nex4613]

That last segment of the story quest was such an acid trip lmfao

[@TacticalPotato]

Right?

[@malware6147]

Im so happy u started paying atention to the lore , and i realy love the video , keep it up men

[@frodothehobo9938]

my man in the wall theory, and be warned, this will have spoilers for warframe and something else. is that he's god, sort of like in full metal alchemist. he is what you need him to be at that moment. he exists as the void and manifests himself into a form that we recognize in the moment, but everything is planned by him. he chose to save us on the ten zero ship and he chose to save us again at the end of the new war, for whatever purpose it may be.

[@anudeepreddy30]

I think the sentients (Natah, Hunhow, and the yet to be seen 'Mother') struck a deal with Wally when they came back to the origin system way back when. That's also how they came to possess 'Oro' just like the Tenno (& their Warframes), so the Lotus must've actually seen Wally at the end of they quest, but heard a different set of words or saw another face or statue instead.

[@GrayArchon]

The "Mother" was seen in The New War and the prelude cinematics before that; it's just that she's dead and they're using her body as a ship now. They even gave her name: Praghasa. As for a deal with Wally, I suppose it's not outside the realm of possibility, but none of the characters have alluded to such a thing happening.

[@darkpipefox]

Missed you, Tater. I'm so glad you're doing better, man! You were the first Warframe KZbinr I'd started to watch, years ago when I first started playing.

[@joshualee5555]

Think someone may have mentioned this already, but my theory is that the location of duviri paradox is a combination of every inverse choice made or not made by each Individual. Tenno saved. Tenno not saved. Which is why our drifter was there, cause he was the inverse of tenno saved. Furthermore, I think the void is a collection of all possible "duviris" for lack of a better term. Lastly, i think the man in the wall is trying to bring the inverse choices into the "canon" world, or achieve a physical form. This is why everyone who ever enters the void willingly or unwillingly, sees a copy of themselves, as the man in the wall exists in every "duviri" but outside every "duviri" at the same time. But this is mostly speculation. I have always been heavily invested into the lore of every game i play, and warframe has further peaked my curiosity. Regardless, i am excited for Warframe's future

[@RollerBaller]

I really hope they don't pull off Lotus being possessed by Wally, she has been manipulated so many times it's getting repetitive

[@kexaman]

I think DE is just constantly foreshadowing that Wally will be the main villain in the next story arc, much like Ballas was in this one. At the moment he plays only a small role and is more like a motif than a character but with that final scene in the NW I think it’s like a way of saying “I’m the guy you have to worry about now”

[@infamoswordz]

I thought the man in the wall was the construct representative of the void so when they say nothing they mean him here is the nothing the lotus saw. Also it isn't really explained why they are afraid of this being either besides his creepy looks. Also if Warframe is going to be existential I demand Galactus silver surfer level power ups immediately.

[@mitab1]

I belive that albrecht stayed in the void and he'll be the quest giver in duviri And i know this won't happen but i kinda wish duviri planes is like a place made up from every world and ever age from Across the multiverse, and the enemies we meet in there are people who ended up traped and corrupted by the void

[@Tirreger]

I just hope that Vor will be our tour guide for Duviri

[@danielwhite4052]

@@Tirreger that would be awesome, recall the start of our game. Vor could eventually exit the void empowered and pose a threatening opposition to Parvos Granum. Also if Vor has cracked the Ayatans we may be able to glimpse the Orokin era and learn more.

[@mitab1]

@@danielwhite4052 i really want to see how daily lifes of both the orokin and the common people of the system was like and i really really really wish they make a show or just a comic series were we meet our frames before they were turned into warframes, i wanna know who were limbo, nezha atlas, Grandel and gauss and the starter frames as humans and what they did for a living and why they were turned into warframes in the first place?

[@misterjoshua5720]

I'm curious about the stylistic choice of the Wall at the end. The head looks like the helmet of the Dax soldiers, which leads me to suspect the Orokin (a very art first, function after society) wanted their agents and soldiers to remind them, or others, of the figure in the wall. Maybe in the same way Winged Hussars wore wings to evoke a furious angelic motif? But either way, I think it is a case of the Orokin copying the wall in art and design, which has me asking: How much did the Seven know about the void?

[@wumpie5267]

I just finished the New - New War quest before watching this video, man was it good, I loved to bits. I don’t think I ever took this many screenshots ever

[@darthdenco]

If you consider the man in the wall as a God and connections to Renaissance-Artwork then the finger that was cut could symbolize the finger God is pointing towards human in the sistine chappelle, giving humanity a connection to the heavenly. That could also connect to Albrecht Entrati enlightening Humanity with knowledge and traversel of the Void, lifting humanity to new heights after he was given the touch of God (the finger of the reliquary drive).

[@kennyreber4549]

A part of the new war that struck me was when The drifter said I should have stayed in duviri and I'm wondering what it's going to apply to in the duviri paradox

[@petervamvakaries]

Wally is probably the main source of the void. Also based of all of Warframe's lore, his goal would probably be to bathe the whole system (or more) with the void. Ballas held knowledge that could go against the man in the wall, that's why wally laughed after he died...

[@killerja3]

I just listened to the wall behind loid lol

[@TacticalPotato]

It's good right

[@killerja3]

@@TacticalPotato You start like "this is alot. Im only on the 3rd one" then you want more at the end lmao 🤣

[@apophisdd]

There's a youtuber called TheDSiege who looks into all the lore, if anybody wants to look in depth at various primary or secondary level lore. For example, the origin of Ordis.

[@danielwhite4052]

Yes there is Dsiege and Apocryphate are very good. A coloboration video with Tactical potato would be nice. I'm glad to have these you tubers around to dissect the lore and explain the game mechanics. I wish we didn't need them. DE need to put in depth explanations in the codex.

[@NeroCM]

My personal theory is that we are the man in the wall. That through eternalism we basically "go back" and help ourselves on the road to eventually become the Mitw and from there towards some kind of final objective. Would be fun if eventually we could get the choice of going all in into the Void or pull back and fight the Void, but DE seems to be allergic to permanent choices.

[@sarahnade8663]

I believe that to be the case as well but with a slight difference. In my theory, when a living creature enters the void, the void enters them as well and manifests as this entity that is the man in the wall. What makes the Tenno different from everyone else however is that handshake, the fact we agreed to accept the void into us and thus formed a permanent bond with it.

[@ganjiblobflankis6581]

I am not sure that Hey Kiddo is TMITW. I think he might be either a minor void entity corrupted by us as we were corrupted by the void, or void energy given form and sentience by us. He seems too personal for an eldritch horror.

[@Dung30n]

The slight smile (smirk?) that Natah/Margulis/Lotus gives us at the end of the New War quest is...disconcerting to say the least. I do feel like something or someone hitched a ride.

[@timothysever5309]

During the flashback scene in the classroom, the quiz question that asked which of the two parents survived (the answer being both, just in different timelines due to eternalism) got me thinking about the implications that eternalism has on one of the biggest events in the warframe lore - the execution and subsequent collapse of the Orokin Empire. The mere existence of the drifter, being the version of you that was not rescued from the Zariman ship, could imply that there exists a timeline without the tenno - without the warframes... which would mean that there is a timeline(s) that exist where the Orokin Empire never fell. I don't know if this is something that DE would explore, but I have a feeling that they wouldn't introduce something like eternalism without considering how it would impact things in Warframe's past as well as the present. There's so many possibilities that DE could explore with this concept, and I hope that if they do that they'll take their time and really flesh it out.

[@ZeddTsunderbolt]

I love that you're doing more lore stuff now. Keep it up!

[@truemisto]

its shown wally was pushing the operator on this path, such as replying "good" when it appears that umbra's painful and hateful memories of ballas have comingled with the operator's memory, and setting shadow-lotuses on the operator in some of the pre new war sequences. ballas' vitruvian logbook was key in the sacrifice quest, now a warped sort of vitruvian man image appears when ballas is slain. there are various characters who could be considered to have been sacrificed in the sacrifice quest, umbra's son, umbra himself, but now ballas may have lived up to being a sacrifice.

[@SwedetasticGames]

As the Void is seemingly a timeline nexus of sorts, this could explain why people fear the Tenno more than the Warframes. You kill something with a timeline beam, deleting them from the weave in ALL timelines. That realization would obviously terrify all, even the Orokin.

[@TheTroygarg]

Your channel is what I needed. Really like the game and the bits of lore, but I don't have time to play anymore. Thank you

[@Lensah23]

I used to believe that Waly was in fact the void, but his reflection appearance was the only way living creatures could interpret him

[@melissamason2470]

Finally finished New War and really digging your lore videos. Good stuff!

[@LordDoom10]

A neat detail someone pointed out to me. The Void Keys would pefectly slot into the Man In the Wall's head.

[@ZecharyK]

Eternalism is just DEs translation of Marvels "it's a multiverse, we can make anything make sense."

[@notfidelcastrop5259]

I'm don't focus too much on the lore but I enjoy these videos thx. Also your thumbnails look really cool

[@CircleTheSkies]

When you think about what the Requiem words translate to, they're all things we'd think of as fairly fundamental aspects of reality - time, form, light, etc. Imagine "Reality" as existing at the point where these aspects 'meet', and in order to exit Reality you need to pass through a (conceptual?) wall, such as the "Wall of Lohk" (the boundary between Reality and the Void). When Albrecht passed through that wall, perhaps he attracted the attention of some entity from beyond that, when it sought to enter Reality (curiosity? Hunger?) and failed, got struck in the boundary - thus being a "Man in the Wall". Or perhaps his (unprotected?) entry *created* the entity in question - a kind of echo of himself... something like the shadow in the book "Wizard of Earthsea". Perhaps then each Tenno has their own 'echo' - those echoes aren't actually some manifestation of the Man in the Wall, but are similar in nature. Thinking carefully about it, Rell describes the Man in the Wall, and spent his life attempting to keep it out of Reality... but we don't actually know that the manifestation we occasionally see (and which speaks to us, possesses us at times) is the specific entity he speaks of. While certainly the Operator 'echo' on top of the wall with a man in it might simply be a dual manifestation of the same entity, it might also be two different ones - one Albrecht's echo, trapped in the wall, and one the Tenno's.

[@sillerbarly4927]

I love the lovecraft Elder god route they appear to be taking with the Man in the Wall.

[@sharlesdaviskendy2391]

I don’t think the Man in the Wall replace Albrecht. When Albrecht went into the Void, he fucked up. His bell broke through the walls of the Void so to speak. What I got out of it is that Albrecht didn’t just go into the Void, but he went into some sort of deeper corner of the Void where the Man in the Wall was trapped. Albrecht’s experiment set him free of that and into the “normal” Void so to speak.

[@BoogerLeader]

And Albrecht knew what the man in the wall is. It was the reason he decided he no longer wanted to live, he didn't want to risk ever meeting the man in the wall again because of what he knew. It's weird he didn't leave any information on who or what the man in the wall is.

[@brightbeyonddarkness]

@@BoogerLeader Perhaps what he didn't want to share the horrid truth of the informations he found there with others as it would create panic beyond?

[@BoogerLeader]

@@brightbeyonddarkness There's a good chance, but wouldn't he also want to prevent anyone from entering the void? I mean, obviously he was so horrified he basically committed suicide, so you're probably right.

[@dream8870]

@@BoogerLeader perhaps he’d hope no one would continue into the void, also potato states other beings just like the man in the wall, what if they trapped him, since he’s a chaos entity, maybe he did something they didn’t like so they thought to contain, if so i wonder will we meet them the other gods

[@BoogerLeader]

@@dream8870 I may have missed something. Who is potato? Wait, that was a whoosh moment for me. Thought it might be another obscure nickname for some character in the name and not the youtuber.

[@dominickroberts4653]

If all of this is going to be relevant in the dirivi paradox. I hope DE actually takes their time in making the story actually have depth that is not vague.

[@BlueLightningHawk]

Maybe I am stupid, but I just noticed the operator on the top of the man in the wall is wearing the Lotus's helmet.

[@itol2201]

Yeah, I noticed too. The only other time he did this was when he brought us to Ballas and the Paracesis.

[@lucaruxyz1075]

I got one stupid theory but thats just me rambling. Remember how its interesting that the tenno cant get infected by the infested hive. What if the reason they couldn't was due to the fact the wall missing finger was the reason at that point. As each hands is a aspect of life for every human (War, Pestilence, Famine and Death.) And that finger not only a way to travel the void but the source of their immunity.

[@shawnhollern]

The more we learn about the void, the more it seems like the warp in warhammer 40k. (If you're unfamiliar, its worth reading into, 40k lore is awesome)

[@legowerewolf]

I think you might be right about Wally possessing the Lotus. Right after the wall disappears, there's some weird smoke and shadow effects around her, and that smile is a little creepy, too.

[@freddevereux9913]

i just saw that the big wall that came through the portal was missing a finger, so maybe that wall quite literally is the man in the wall and not just a metaphor

[@grimmurrough]

I welcome the note that more people are interested in the lore now, it would be good to discuss and theorize stuff. So here's a wall of text from the top of my head: Based on the "posession" theory, my say on it is with Wally's "movement", the giant figure slowly moves backwards, then "jumps" and vanished forward, as if hopping into the Lotus. As for why? My guess is that the dimensions are so different, that Wally is just obsessively curious about the normal realm(s) of existence, and would want to come through to experience or even conquer them, maybe even convert our reality to the void. It is also why (for me) all the representation of the void and Wally is like a primordial being trying to understand humanity/lifeforms in general (the distorted humanoid figures in the Zariman trying to get in, and the also distorted figure of the "wall" version, that might be modelled on Albrecht's appearence). Speaking of Albrecht, what if the "wall" version of Wally was his kind of original first form, that got "walled in" as a sort of safety mechanism, when his finger got chopped, to avoid "bleeding out"? He assumed a partial appearence of Albrecht (there's no upper face because of the orokin mask Albrecht was wearing, and the wavy, tentacle-like ornaments on the upper face parts is similar-ish to the general chaotic void state of the matter onboard the Zariman, as a sort of "substitute"). Lotus also looks at her hand both after closing the portal, and when put onto her pod, might be just because the power spent and the massive strain she endured to close the portal, or maybe a brand that scarred her, as another deal with Wally, or even the mark where a fraction of Wally posessed her. Also interesting how the "kid" on top of the wall is a mix of both the tenno/drifter, and Lotus, going back to the theory of the being outside of normal dimension trying to understand other lifeforms with imitating them. But I'm really curious about, are those giant mechanical serpents who roam the void (loading screens in voidstorm railjack missions, and Duviri). Are they from a parallel timeline where Albrecht wasn't ridiculed and the serpents are abandoned drones, built to explore the void, without sacrificing orokin lives or something else?

[@nicorobin8787]

This is the fun fact of playing warframe , deciphering all hidden massages that de throw at us...

[@BdotRASS]

It might be worth looking into the actual theory of eternalism, as it seems to stand in stark contrast to multiverse theory (how de explained it). Under eternalism the parent that died; always will have died. Seems like too huge a mistake, so I'm wondering if it's another breadcrumb for things to come.

[@demonintellect9834]

Doubt it. DE writers aren't super smart. Would've definitely thought they would've gone at least the Schrodinger's Cat route. It's like someone briefly read eternalism and didn't take any time to comprehend it before writing about it, because it never said anything about "all possible futures and pasts are real" but simply that past present and future are real. The game did get the idea that eternalism is the opposite of presentism correct though.

[@moyomaher7984]

i think the man in the wall possessed lotus , why? well when he disappeared at the end of the new war quest after smiling with his creepy half face , the lotus had black smoke coming out of her left hand and then the smoke disappeared after her wriggling her hand in pain then looking back at us and then smiling , thoughts?

[@barroncze2187]

I recently finished the new war and when i started unum tower i felt something was wrong when she spoke to me, how and why she spoke to me when i was there, she didnt spoke because of sentients, but because thanks to ballas the man in the wall could escape. Dont forget that everything works in specific way and jing and jang thing is very prominent throughout warframe and if man in the wall is god of chaos then goddess that spoke in the tower is goddess of order. I dont think it was tower itself i think tower is kind of catalyst that goddess of order use to speak to us, but she dont know and dont want to risk to just speak to everybody, because wrong people could use that to bring more chaos. Because she spoke to us, she knows we know about walle and that we could stop him, we must stop him.

[@X420StepsAheadX]

Dude I was literally looking up those statues yesterday thank you for the info

[@collin2097]

What spooks me more is how Wally's vitruvian man did one of those Gmod horror moves and suddenly moved at the Lotus before dissapearing completely.

[@MartinGreywolf]

I'm putting on my history hat for this one - everything you hear about Vitruvian man and its symbolism is almost always straight BS. The drawing was accompanied by a text by Da Vinci explaining what it was, and the text boils down to "this old Roman guy Vitruvius described proportions of human body, I did some measurements and recorded them". It has no relation to squaring the circle (that whole thing is about finding a solution to area of circle that doesn't use a constant with infinite decimal places), what Vitruvius says is that a man should fit inside both a square and a circle, which is a different problem. For the whole mystical symbolism, there was and is a host of people who decided to ascribe some sort of magical meaning to various artists, and Da Vinci is pretty popular. Just look at the absolutely buck wild claims about him Dan Brown makes in his book. They have about as much substance as the theories that claim the Queen of England is a lizard (she's clearly a lich). The whole heirarchy of universe is a real historical thing, it just has no relation to Vitruvian man. That does bring up an interesting point, though. Sure, all those symbolism theories are BS historically speaking, but Warframe isn't reality. If DE got taken in by some of them, or if they just thought some of them sounded cool, they could well be real in Warframe-verse.

[@zeonthefox]

hey potato ever noticed mother entrati when doing a vault run she will mention she want to no what "HE IS UP TO" in a very harsh tone of anger and disgust becuse she knows that wally is the reason her father chose to die of old age. also cephalon otak loves to refer to the teno as a "CHIP OFF THE OL MONOLITH" what is wallys physical form a god dam monolith

[@michakakol7629]

What? "Know what he is up to" line refers to her husband, not her dad nor Wallie.

[@zeonthefox]

@@michakakol7629 how do you know that her husband has nothing of intrest down there BUT the man in the wall most defintly demos has the only stable void gate after the fall of the empire

[@michakakol7629]

@@zeonthefox Because it was obviously set up that she is in a fight with him? Mother doesnt mention Wallie whatsoever.

[@elka7951]

That is in reference to the father, not Wally.

[@GrayArchon]

Mother Entrati doesn't know that her father is dead. She's forgotten all the important details (due to being Infested). Her whole arc as you rank up with the Entrati is her realising that her father isn't coming back. Also, Albrecht says that he never spoke about Wally to anyone else.

[@dshadow456]

If we get another evil Lotus arc I’m going to lose my shit with anger

[@PeakFilmClipz]

Hearing the wall talking was lowkey scary with headphones on

[@stephencarroll8258]

When we see Lotus and the Tenno confront Erra on Lua, Lotus and the Tenno all show up with red eyes. For the Tenno, this signifies we are under the MITWs influence, we have never seen Lotus's emissive light to change colour or even shift depending on her mood. I think Lotus is some sort of marriage between Natah and MITW, they both are coded as Mother and father figures (Lotus is more-so our mother after the New War) and that confrontation between Erra and the Lotus seems to be their first interaction since her transformation. The MITW dos not seemed concerned for us and only wants us to deepen our void powers, especially our little interaction after completing the Sacrifice

[@icemannameci1259]

2 things I really hope to see expanded upon, the man in the wall, and the unum

[@vaigawarrior4401]

I have this theory that maybe they planned this whole thing and knew it might happen when the void portal opens. The reasone why is cause of other realities exist and the evedence was between the operator and the drifter. I have a feeling that maybe this isn't the first time it happened to the tenno but it happened to other tenno in other realities where they get manipulated into this thing through a proficy or writing by some higher form. This might lead to all of this going there where this man was first found as a prison like reality. Cause of it being a reverse reality it could mean there is no life and its a prison designed to drive someone crazy till they die.

[@13g0man]

Wally as Big Momma Lotus will be a severe subtle threat to us - she was already weak due to being dead (and getting better) before Wally turned up, then held off Wally until he charged and possessed her. She had a body, but was mentally weak while Wally was mentally strong, but had no body of his own in reality, so he attacked her and matched his strength and weakness to her weakness and strength (Duality and the Void - everything has its equal and opposite) For me, the proof is all the Deimos lore, the Void lore and the smirk that Lotus shows at the end - it isn't a smile of pride or exhaustion that you would expect after holding off a powerful being and shutting the portal it was trying to use, it was a smirk of a plan succeeding and nobody being the wiser. Also the inversion from the Second Dream was a nice touch. Lotus carries us to our chair where we sleep and possess beings to do our will compared to us carrying the Lotus to her chair, where she is possessed and used to carry out Wallys will.

[@horbledorble5716]

perhaps wally is the third eternalism reality that made it to the void first, and “our” versions albreicht was the second version to make it, and was scared of the first realities albreicht that stood before him? thus breaking the barrier between all the different realities? there’s a few gaps in this idea but still one to think about at least

[@infestedwolf]

So this might be a long shot but am I the only one who noticed that the man in the wall didn’t go backwards instead he moved forward and seconds after lotus turns around and smiles then blacks out? I mean please go look at the man in the wall and how he smiles then look at lotus right before she blacks out once again long shot but maybe he took her body 💀

[@thisguy3500]

Duviri Paradox, I'm guessing the answer is in the name. At some point we might be facing our own Tenno selves, attempting to sever the loop.

[@woodbox5812]

Tenno, a Color you’ve never seen before, now imagine it,

[@ML7WL]

ty for reading my comment on the previous video :D The vitruvian man relation, in the interpretation that wally infiltred lotus mind in how the final scenes played, may have more to tell: the famous vitruvian man drawing was made by Da Vinci, yes, but it was a presentation of the roman engineer Vitruvius principles (also other people drawed vitruvian mans during renaissance). In Da Architectura (the first ever architecture book), Vitruvius states that every edification needs to have: utilitas, firmitas and venustas (utility, strength and beauty). May sound weird or unralatable why architecture would have anything to do with philosophy of existentialism, but mathematical and geometrical aproach was a common ground in the matter as it can be seen in the golden ratios for beauty, pitagorism and etc. So, what's special about this? You see, may sound very stretched out but there is a character that fits the vitruvian "requirement": Lotus is the utility, Natah is the strength and Margulis is the beauty. If there is really anything on this, it would sugests that the lotus now is an "prefered" or "eligible" vessel, if she is not already one. Previous lore bits in chains of harrow/war within sugests wally needs a type of vessel to "cross" the wall: as rell became corrupted and acted as wally itself and how he likes when operator drinks the kuva (the very thing used to dominate our mind by the elder queen) and despises when he reject it. I did not came across the Vitruvius principles correlation myself, read somewhere else and found very intuitive.

[@TacticalPotato]

Ty for the comment, it's such a cool idea.

[@CRWM987]

Albrecht didn't die and cannot die. He was given Oro during his trip to the void just like the tenno. Like the tenno, Albrecht cannot be killed under normal circumstances and I assume he is also ageless. If we ever meet him I don't think he will look as old as a grandfather should. And if you want proof he has Oro, listen to the Ris part of his story again. He describes how he bled kuva from his head, "a profane vapor" that was also scintillating (sparkling)-- aka the black kuva mists that sparkle red during the kiva missions. Kuva comes from those with Oro. We know he didn't have Oro before his trip to the void because he had previously relied on the whole Yuvan Continuity ritual process like the other orokin. Albrecht says he won't take the kuva and continue with Continuity but the plot twist is he doesn't need it: He's ageless and deathless. Mother hints that he's alive down in the ruins and I'm convinced he actually is. I think anyone with Oro is both alive and dead at all times under the eternalism stuff explained to us. The operators I think would be the dead version that was rescued while the drifters would be the still living and still void-trapped version. During the handshake scene in the new war, we see versions of the operator dying. I think that was us getting our Oro.

[@pwnizor828]

My simple theory that we play man in the wall all along so it will lead to one specific event that he wants, or meant to be or whatever. It says, we end how we be began. I noticed how drifter made a packed with the wally since operator already did and other us died so now exist only drifter and operator in the whole timeline.

[@doubledragon9530]

It seems odd, doesn't it, that Lotus, a sentient, held back the void, which is supposed to be deadly to sentients? Here's another thought or two. Is she holding back the tenno, or is she channeling void energy from it back into the man in the wall? How'd she do that if so, again, being a sentient? And that smirk on her face... Maybe Lotus is something entirely different, not a sentient at all, but a triple agent, an ally of the void?

[@charleshelgren2490]

Rell/Harrow is the Man in the Wall… already among us….

[@Duzaum88]

FINALLY!!!!!!!! we might have some descent stuff to do with railjack

[@drkangel3620]

Vitruvian man kind of reminds me of the Greek mythology: It is said that in the beginning of time, when humans were first created, they had a form different to that they have today. They were both man and woman, had four arms, four legs and a single head made of two faces.

[@William_E]

The man in the wall is are story, but the lotus story has ended

[@johnpaladin1533]

On The Zeriman there's a pic in the classroom that might be a certain scientist (next to Ballas pictures).

[@dontuspowerus1093]

Uh... Potato, TMITW talked to us when we're at chest height. Humans are also powerless compared to powerful entities that can just create a milk shake out of nowhere. Implying that even with all of our power, even the Lotus' own is nothing compared to his.

[@rafbi4874]

I really enjoy this type of videos. Warframe has a very deep story but it's not easy to learn it since it's kinda hidden. So these videos help alot to connect with the world. One lore question that reeeally bugs me is prime warframes. If warframes were formerly people (orokin or not) that were products of mutation by a version of the infestation, then wouldn't that make every warframe unique? For example, canonically, is there only one Rhino prime, only one excalibur umbra (from what I seem to understand, Excalibur Umbra is the original excalibur) etc? If yes, then what were the Archons? Where did they come from? A parallel universe perhaps? I would also love to learn more about the past lives of warframes before they became what they are now. How cool would it be if we could snap them back to reality and have a talk with them? If only...

[@johnmichaelfabian878]

Love this lore vids.. would love to see more of this

[@JoshDoingLinux]

The "wall" we see I'm 99% sure is only one side of a cube. I bet that cube is holding something and the man in the wall is simply trying to get us to break one or more sides of that cube to unleash a Cthulhu-esque monster within.

[@rayman356]

3:15 “Stare into the abyss long enough and eventually the abyss will stare right back at you....least drastic thing one could do is step into it considering the shit he has been through”- johnny silverhand(cyberpunk 2077)

[@fligleflorence1542]

creepy space uncle wally be scary af

[@dascreeb5205]

On the edge of the world, I stared into the abyss. And it stared back.

[@cynicalchimp107]

I Could be wrong but at the end of the New War quest it looked as if Natah absorbed the man in the wall!

[@sneaky-Jay]

so his finger is the one you have powering the railjack - maaan that's weird and interesting. :)

[@thegoldenplague-mask5438]

"That big finger in the Bottom" ~Tactical Potato 2022

[@HQBunker]

"it's rather long video", I double check, still 8 minutes 🤣

[@FabiTheSnake]

The thing is, some storys do this, introducing this weird time bent, or heavenly rescue to fix what was broken, with warframe... its always been a theme, eternalism, decepton of reality... If it keeps going like this... There is an explenation why we can do whatever we want, nothing will change. Bosses are still there after defeat, cuz eternalism. We killed trillions of enemies at this point, and yet there are still more, because eternalism.

[@punnk3d]

the man in the wall is the real protagonist of Warframe

[@homer3817]

The new war story was full of holes and stupid moments, but opened a lot of doors