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[@TacticalPotato]

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[@xdrtas]

Hi, you know, you can select the skin of your choice for the Lotus when you end the new war. You just need to go to the Lotus helmet in the orbiter and you will able to chose the skin and colors. I upload a very short video in mi channel showing how to do it.

[@bambihunter6963]

Yoo did u quote me on the booba lol

[@bambihunter6963]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/a2mthXtubZiDZ8U&lc=UgzAtnsJ6nisIaNVnhd4AaABAg.9W12qXDCWnv9WRghP2BLpN i said it on this vid lol

[@phil9079]

I choose Margulis as well. It would set her free. But later on, I almost regret my choice because Natah was the daughter of Hunhow. I felt less regret when I heard all of the lines the 3 characters said. Natah said something about Power and desisiveness, while Margulis said something about healing and Compassion. Personally I love to help people and I'm a healing type. So Margulis fits for me after all.

[@Seventy_Monocle]

My biggest issue is I feel like we werent given enough time to really embrace Ballas as the ruler. When I saw the star chart as the Drifter I thought OH DANG, We are going to need to redo the whole star chart without our warframes! I think this would have been awesome if it was something we could change between like the Steel Path. Have a Pre New War and Post New War star chart. I understand there were time jumps but it felt like he became the ruler and instantly was defeated.

[@skavuska9130]

Yes! and after the quest, it's like nothing happened, all the same! Even the dialogs!

[@ayushdeshmukh284]

Yeah that's kinda the problem with having just one quest... The original New War would've probably been drawn out, but Covid pushed it so late into 2021 so I have a feeling they scrambled to finish the Lotus story asap.

[@TehCakeIzALie1]

Agreed 100%

[@Ant-i-Freeze]

@@skavuska9130 Yea for some only change is Uncle Specter.

[@TheSavvycaptain]

Felt the same way when I saw all the nodes locked with new icons. Actually freaked out and really thought that was the route they were going to go.

[@Mattschafli]

I agree 100% the lack of any real side effects of Narmer was really jarring to to me, we only got some new bounties, changes to some areas and the sentient ships floating around the star chart... doing missions now and fighting the grineer and corpus like nothing happened is a real let down, but other then that it was awesome.

[@avsbes98]

To quote Rebbeca Ford: "An important thing: We consider this quest a major new progression point for our upcoming content. For those looking for post-story update content, that is precisely the plan. The story itself is so massive it’s in its own update. And the future holds much more."

[@Mooseamation]

I'm just sad that when I saw the decaying Murex on the Star-Chart We couldn't go inside them for some Higher end loot

[@douchefuck]

@@Mooseamation fr. It could be like a sentient version of the toroid "wanted" level farm. With endless enemy spawns

[@MrLOUTER94]

@@Mooseamation I thought they were gonna be hot spots for farming sentients for the evolving armor. Was sad to find out that wasn't the case

[@avsbes98]

@@MrLOUTER94 It might be the case in the future. As was said - the focus of this update was on the quest - not on what comes after it.

[@Ramxenoc]

Also yes bring Drifter back. The gameplay was such an amazing change of pace and it was suuper fun in my opinion. I want more of it and more weapons drifter specific but maybe let them he used on the frames too.

[@elk3407]

The drifter is setup for Duviri. Prepare to play alot more as the operator and drifter, because that looks like what Duviri is all about

[@l_TheJester_I]

You can still switch to drifter all the time ^^

[@Watchman.kIvory]

I don’t see why they couldn’t make the archon fights like a farmable fight. The mechanics were fun and a great change of pace. But seriously like why not use that content for a new game mode?? Doesn’t make sense.. they need more activities for veterans.

[@securatyyy]

I want the abilities. I was super let down we didn't keep them.

[@markwolfe947]

@@elk3407 I hope

[@Goldenman89327]

Teshin: Dies. Konzu: “Early lunch for Konzu!”

[@stangeland101]

I too chose the same version of Lotus simply to see something different 😆 I believe if DE can introduce Narmer controlled zones similarly to Lich influenced zones it would be a welcomed bandaid but I was hoping to see the whole star chart Red and we would then have to liberate each node From Narmer control or at the least Play the assassination mission on each planet and fight a Narmer controlled Warframe as a new boss

[@marvinvogtde]

we will see, they have said that all the post new war content was deliberately not part of this update as it was big enough already and would have delayed the update into 2022

[@AngryCaesCorporation]

My thoughts exactly. I felt like I didn't even participate in the New War.

[@MiquShiro]

I chose Lotus because its somewhat like both Natah and Margulis

[@LFiles48]

@@AngryCaesCorporation Spot on. A war happened somewhere but I (the player character) was absent for most of it and only did my thing on the side trying to save my mommy. Which was great (although personally I like finally facing an archon with my warframe and absolutely obliterating it. After playing as the other character, it really illustrated thematically how strong the warframes are in that universe. We're like Iron Man, but, times three thousand).

[@jamabastionhyness99]

Narmer lich??

[@jarlzondai]

I hope teshin isn't actually dead, he's one of the few characters I actually like

[@hiddendesire3076]

I mean the hologram left in his place, plus the chorus of snaps and pops akin to jiffy pop as his spine was broken does make me think he is dead.

[@jarlzondai]

@@hiddendesire3076 It sounds ridiculous, but I've seen characters come back from worse. It'd be really dumb but if they wanted they could just bring him back with some plot armor bs

[@hiddendesire3076]

@@jarlzondai Or if they wanted something more cynical, a cephalon forged from what Aya, what memories remain of him. Or even darker, as a warframe, body revived and distorted.

[@otaviosueth2500]

ppl are talking about the dax soldier from the duviri trailer, maybe his body fell in the portal and the void twisted him somehow

[@skavuska9130]

Now with multiverses, everything is possible, literally everything.

[@MadMax-09]

Yeah…Teshin’s death was harsh and I felt like it lacked the weight in that moment it deserved

[@LordDamo]

I'm still not sure if he is really dead or not with all these Paradox stuff

[@StatchanaReborn]

Yeah.. so then he cant be dead. Nu-uh. Not accepting it. Calling it now🙏🏼, he'll be back!

[@rhettorical]

I actually forgot about it completely until I logged in and went "wait, why is a hologram? ...oh... oh no."

[@thatrandomsquirrel2924]

Don’t think he’s dead. Erra did that exact same thing to the lady in charge of the prime resurgence, and yet here she is

[@sadbiscuits]

I dint ink he dead tho

[@ayushdeshmukh284]

I don't think Erra's "redemption arc" was for redemption... It was just an instance of him being forced to co-operate for the sake of staying alive and keeping the rest of sentients alive. Also I'm very confident Erra's "death" is effectively the same as Ballas's "death" in The Sacrifice. Besides, the vast majority of the sentients as well as Narmer are just fine soooo

[@zeonthefox]

Konzu even mentions that some one has taken the Narmer throne but they are hiding there identity Who else could take it but the second in command as it's unlikely to be hunhow has he didn't seem to like the whole mind control idea

[@Seventy_Monocle]

@@zeonthefox Yeah it is almost certainly Erra.

[@zeonthefox]

@@Seventy_Monocle yeah era faked his death he never wanted to help natah/lotus he just wanted balals out of the way and new we were the only one who could beat him in an unfair fight

[@7upinthenite]

100% sure is Erra.

[@Terran0va_Plays]

To be honest I was a little disappointed at the ending. Not how it ended but the events leading up to it. It seems like at some point they were like, "woah we bit off too much. Just kill teshin, roll to the next scene, make Erra an ally and kill him immediately so we can just get the quest out before the deadline." I feel like they cut some things. There's just too many empty gaps.

[@HermitTheMan]

Felt the exact same

[@michakakol7629]

The war with Sentients was supposed to be the main point of this quest. But after act 1, Erra became a pussy, Sentients for some retarded reason were listening to an Orokin (its like you would make Hitler the leader of Jews) and the emotional conflict between saving Lotus and saving the universe was thrown out the window. There have been more setups for Duviri than actual fights with Sentients. Its a waste. I enjoyed playing the quest, but once I finished it, I must admit, they missed a mark a little. It was obvious that Natah isnt a villain, but it doesnt mean you can completely make Sentients an obsolete threat - Erra was introduced for a reason, wasnt he?

[@Lotan_]

@@michakakol7629 The Sentients had a more neutral opinion of Ballas than most Orokin due to the fact he helped them in the original war.

[@p4inmaker]

Very much this, it started off strong and then just went down the shitter.

[@dascreeb5205]

The rest will be filled in later. The update was too big to fit everything in.

[@El_Rabbit]

My problems are the "war" itself and the path to the ending. I thought that we will be jumping between characters more often, seeing the war between 4 perspectives (Khal, Veso, Teshin and Tenno) and how this unlikely alliance could work but no, the war is over in a glimpse of an eye and play almost entirely as the Drifter. The way to the ending seemed pretty rushed, Erra having an undeserving redemption arc. And how Ballas goes from slave to commander of the sentient army? I missed something between The Sacrifice and The New War? Althought, the quest it's greater than the sum of it's parts. I really enjoyed the 90% of the adventure and the Drifter gameplay was a very welcome adittion (hope to see it back as regular gameplay, to differentiate it from the Tenno)

[@Voldrim359]

Well... He was commanding sentient in the second dream when he created Excalibur Umbra

[@El_Rabbit]

@@Voldrim359 I was left with the impression that Natha was commanding the sentients in The Sacrifice (if i recall correctly, Ballas wasn't in The Second Dream)

[@countlazuli8753]

That was my main problem. I felt falsely advertised. This wasn't a war story, but a dystopian one.

[@found6393]

Yes, you missed something major. Go watch 'The Maker' part of the Prelude to War, and pay attention to Ballas and the leash, instead of Erra.

[@jchemnix1918]

I thought we were gonna get 4 perspectives as well, but now looking at it in retrospect, what was even the point of introducing Khal and Veso then if we never even see them again?

[@Lotan_]

Personally all I want with the Drifter's abilities is for them to have an advanced Focus tree that use the ability keys, instead of the way our Operator's currently work. In regards to the Man In The Wall, why he appears is because he hijacked Ballas' plan. Ballas was using the power of the sun to open a portal via the Void to reach Tau. Wally instead used it to come into the material realm, like he tried to in the Entrati logs.

[@chetwilson5676]

I want it to actually be a choice, instead of a cosmetic difference.

[@jacobb5484]

He also held up his end of the bargain. “I can save them, all of them”

[@umbralaasimar9463]

Should have split up into more quests and had more time to work on,is more of a build up to the paradox quest then a war

[@mistermomon9020]

And how does Ballas go from being a slave in prelude to war to being the master mind behind everything in the new war

[@hiddendesire3076]

His body became sentient, he filled Ballas’ head with ideas of conquest and victory, and Erra gave him the helm, impressed with the results before realizing Ballas had been killing his sister pretty much.

[@mistermomon9020]

@RubiiX that literally makes no sense I was rewatching prelude to war and never saw that and so what that literally doesn't mean anything

[@LilBeaniebby]

@@mistermomon9020 it means it was a facade, ballas put on an act to trick us into wanting to kill the lotus after his work was done, then kill us to rule the system without resistance.

[@mistermomon9020]

@@LilBeaniebby what your saying makes no sense tho in the new war quest Ballas literally said he doesn't care that lotus and the entire origin system bends to his knee he wants us the tenno to Bow and obey him but we don't and that's why he was planning on destroying the origin system

[@LilBeaniebby]

@@mistermomon9020 he doesn’t care about the lotus due to her not being margulis and is why he casted her aside, he tried killing us but then we came back, he wants us to bow due to us destroying his previous empire and not wanting a repeat of it again, but that doesn’t go to plan, he probably wanted us under his spell to control the sentients, we are the devils after all a weapon that can cut sentients like butter.

[@florianholdt7392]

Beside the losing of using weapons as Drifter and the missing impact on the star chart of Narmer, I'm also missing new gameplay aspects and especially the opportunity to refight the Archons.

[@repstyle8518]

after the quest you still get to use the pistol the drifter uses. i still have it and use it

[@nobodyimportant2470]

@@repstyle8518 Though that pistol sucks compared to the amps you can build. If you use the Drifter all your amps switch to the gun model

[@repstyle8518]

@@nobodyimportant2470 Fair Point, and Interesting 🤔 i wasnt aware my Other amps would turn to the Gun Model. Ive just been Trying to Level the Gun the whole Time

[@AegixDrakan]

Yeah, I'd enjoy fighting them again too.

[@thimovijfschaft3271]

I personally didn't mind Erra's character. His "redemption" was just a "I either help the Tenno, or that idiot will kill my entire family and their legacy..." And yes he was set up as the big bad but it was nothing but a distraction while Ballas was the real big bad all along. It was hunted over and over again in the prologues that Ballas was manipulating him all along. Especially if you look at the moment where Natah asks if he was one of the makers, and Erra just yeets her in that throne as a way of defending him. There's also the shmirk Ballas makes when Natah wanted to invade. Then there's Erra dropping the leesh. There's a couple of other dialog lines between Natah and Erra that hints towards Erra doing what Ballas wants. I think Natah really was in control during the Chimera prologue and Ballas revived Erra to just use him to manipulate Natah because he knew that she wouldn't listen to a golden master, neither would Hunhow, but Erra is desperate for victory so Erra was just a gateway for him. Treating Ballas like a slave was just Erra and Ballas trying to convince Natah. What I don't get however was that he just let Ballas kill his own dear sister...

[@geoczeoszkar]

Finally someone gets it. This is exactly what happened in my opinion. Forums were blasted for this yet people failed to notice these clues.

[@Jackie_Tikki_Tavi]

I think Erra wanted Natah "killed" so she could be rebuilt without memories of the Tenno, but he didn't want her completely erased and then reprogrammed as Ballas' personal waifu.

[@konstantinospapadopoulos219]

so you are ok with fantasizing the lore and not playing it or seeing it. ok . DE want that too no need for more quests, lets imagine

[@thimovijfschaft3271]

@@konstantinospapadopoulos219 don't mean that. I just pointed out that Erra being nothing but Ballas bitch was already pretty much hinted at. I definitely think DE should fill up some holes. My theory is just what I think happened. Has nothing to do with my opinion

[@dr.tursko2312]

Erra's plan was to have the archon's find her remains so they could revitalize her. (Quote Ballas : "But of course, your archons have her..." implying the Archons were hunting for Lotus) So it was likely begrudgingly agreed to let her power the Mothership, then find Eidolon-Lotus and bring her back to the fleet, revitalize her as Natah, and rule the system.

[@gundamwarrior]

I agree with majority of the things you said, but my biggest disappointments were how little we have with Veso and Kahl. I was hoping we'd get more with them, of maybe save them and then branch off with them doing things coordinated with the Drifter in missions taking back the star chart or something? But sadly not. And DE is trying to sell an expensive statue of Kahl now over 5 - 10 minutes of gameplay from him you never get to experience again? Nah man, thats no bueno.

[@gattlingrat296]

Considering how much people hyped up Kahl of Duty since the reveal trailer, yeah, it definitely looked like easy money for DE.

[@gundamwarrior]

@@gattlingrat296 rather DE had spoiled and said this is all there will be of kahl in the quest calm your tenno tits than this disappointment

[@uplink7374]

Omg thank you. Erra's change of heart was insanely confusing

[@AegixDrakan]

I mean, from a purely pragmatic point of view, it makes sense. Ballas was going to blow up the sun and kill literally everyone, including Erra and all the Sentients. Only someone who was completely insane would still be on his side at that point. So it makes sense he flips sides.

[@Avoncarstien]

Can we throw in an exciting little plug for the new hacking puzzles? I really enjoyed that. I've gotten *so* used to the existing puzzles that they rarely take much conscious thought, something new, and something that takes a little bit of overcoming muscle memory to master the mirroring effect was fun. I also did love the flashback segments. We've heard about the origin of the Tenno for a long time, seeing bits of it was fun.

[@SpaceAgeWolf]

Yeah I was confused going to a relay after the quest and seeing Teshin’s hologram replacement. I honestly didn’t think he was dead. I was hoping to have more time with Veso and Khal. Maybe the swap abilities system with the Helminth is a test for Duviri. Meaning maybe we will have a bunch of skills that our Drifter will be able to pick and choose from…

[@Ferbyleo]

Yes I want this

[@leonseuropeanislandadventu7398]

That's not why the helminth is there. It was never meant to be something for the operator. Warframes only.

[@winter9523]

@@leonseuropeanislandadventu7398 He was saying that maybe the Helminth is a testbed for the ability to pick and choose abilities, if they expand on Drifter having their own ability set rather than just being a bigger Operator. Maybe, when Duviri comes, the Drifter will have a list of abilities we can choose from like the Threat Detector, Restorative, and Smoke Bomb we saw, and we can only pick three of them to put onto the Drifter.

[@punkelmark2102]

This "New War" didn't feel like a war at all. Somehow I see it to be two parts: 1.) The actions against the sentient invasion and 2.) Lore expansion. I was expecting the first to be more here and probably see the lore expansion maybe as a sequel or as another part or something. Get more Erra, get more you fighting against Natah and Sentients, and get more Kahl-Veso type of gameplays just exploring on how new game mechanics can be introduced in the future while fighting against Sentient invaders and all. However, the pacing of the lorewise part of the quest was really great for me. Just as how others see it, it felt fresh and very engaging in terms of mechanics and idea with drifter and everything. Its just that the "New War" felt a little off in title since it felt more of a pre-duviri experience. I thouht that maybe they could have separated it as two parts like how we got Avengers inf war and end game xD after the Tenno and Natah getting sucked into the void. Who knows, with Narmer lingering, this New War could introduce something more next year though it would feel off already and just somehow didn't meet some expectations in a grander scale.

[@13g0man]

There should be a continued impact from Narmer - maybe Invasions that you need to fight off, with the end being a Murex event instead of a Razorback or Fomorian or helping a Lich or Sister kill a Deacon. Currently it definitely feels like 'You worked with the other factions for a couple of hours, smashed a threat - now go kill each other again'

[@Seventy_Monocle]

I just thought of something. What if Erra took what Hunhow said to heart "You are a Dax in everything but name." What if instead of having a change of heart for good took that as I should be the one in charge over Ballas and used us to create a power vacuum so he can take over

[@Voldrim359]

When Hunhow said that, he meant how is a loyal servant of Ballas, not so different from the Dax, only he is not a Dax

[@Zelisius]

I felt that the story was rushed. We have a beginning and an end, but there's no middle to fill things out. What happened to us after we got stabbed? How did the drifter find the lotus? How did Ballas go from bitch to boss?? How did we magically come back when drifter fought lotus?

[@amadhollow635]

Us magically coming back was explained but nuanced. Time being relative and the drifter remembering being on the Zariman touching the ma. In the walls Hand just as the beam from the dead and time warped natah hits his hand makes sense, the bit after it doesn't. Especially considering my drifter looked nothing like my tenno and had a second face melting off of his face. Ballas going from vaguely European voiced slave to aggressively gaelic voiced mafia boss makes no sense, and the staff design is dumb as hell.

[@YungstarProd]

The “Ballas from B*tch to Boss” is the most requested question out of all of this.

[@beardedjack0g488]

I have a feeling that will be explained in the duviri paradox, very possiblely our operator only won so fast was because of what happens there.

[@dascreeb5205]

@@beardedjack0g488 the description for the quest confirms your point. Some people don't look at the bigger picture.

[@IGoByGhost]

Real question is how did Erra go from boss to bitch?

[@surgeofgaming6405]

I picked Margulis because, in my perspective, she’s the one who loved the Tenno in the end. The one who fought for them. Died for them. The Lotus was just a persona created by Ballas, her iconic helmet the first Veil he ever created. And Natah was the violent Sentient who only ever thought with her weapons, not with her heart and mind. I chose Margulis because I think we need to bring back the person who understood what the meaning of battle is, but also someone who just knows how healing works since Margulis was the one who helped the Tenno recover and adapt to their void powers.

[@TheAssassin409]

They could have easily made stalker playable in this quest. Just play the last Archon fight with Stalker. Drifter/Operator and Erra fight through the ship with the neramech, while playable stalker infiltrates the ship to kill the last Archon. Defeat the Archon as Stalker and hand over the shard to Drifter/Operator. Its not like DE doesnt already have a playable Stalker dev mode.

[@DARKSHYNO]

Erra will be back he is sitting on the Narmer Throne. I also chose Margulis for the same reason I use the Drifter now, new war, new me.

[@KriLL325783]

Personally not a fan of how drifter looks, I got all operator cosmetics that don't cost real money and some that do including prime access stuff, maybe once DE ports over the stuff I've got or adds new drifter specific stuff that's nice.

[@DARKSHYNO]

@@KriLL325783 the grenieer one looks good but I'm using the Harrow Prime one right now, I wish they let us use him like we did in the quest at least the melee weapon for now he's just "big" operator and I'm fine with it but I want more out of him to differentiate him from the emo kid

[@merok4291]

@@DARKSHYNO I will be honest i dont use any of the drifter outfits rn removed arms and legs to make the drfiter chest and gear look like its a poncho but than removed those 2 as well.

[@DARKSHYNO]

@@merok4291 they should have let us use everything right off the bat let's hope they give us more outfits and more hairstyles

[@amadhollow635]

I hate how ridged and awkward the drifter moves post story, or how lazy the amp bit is, or that my hard earned or paid for stuff doesn't apply, or that they have no tattoo/infested looking bits like the operator does. Like we were supposed to use zaws with our operator but they borked it, now was the time to fix it when they clearly can since we have a full load out Also, how did we get our warframe that was on the ship back.

[@cryper6098]

The story writing definitely could've been better imo. Everything felt so rushed and didn't have a big impact like the other 2 quests. The game post quest is also majorly the same whereas the other 2 quests added game changing mechanics.

[@alexdoe3163]

I'm sad we never got to play the moment we saw in the trailer where the operator is facing off against Natah and loads of sentients

[@RedShadowOfSaturn]

Yeah, I hate to be cynical, but while that was a really good trailer, I don't blame people for feeling a smidge mislead by it. I'm willing to say "okay, NEW War isn't the one against the Sentients we were already fighting, it was the new one against Ballas and Narmer, got it, okay." But I think a lot of people were gearing up for a massive Sentient invasion with more missions and such, and the story actually took us basically past that.

[@countlazuli8753]

@@RedShadowOfSaturn This is exactly how I felt.

[@farozn1484]

“New War” the trailer now looks like an emotion and what you thought was going to happen, but instead when you got there you then realized oh shit, he played all of us

[@farozn1484]

It’s the creator’s visualizing your thoughts and emotions for you, while not really telling you what’s actually going on….mitw

[@justinanderson2631]

I chose Natah mostly because Erra had a change of heart, and I decided that's ultimately what Lotus has been this whole time. Also Natah just looks cool.

[@Lanewreck]

Love de. Love warframe. But their biggest problem, which has always been their issue for years, is; great ambition, great start, but substance of execution is once again, lacking. Beautiful to look at, but shallow on most aspects. The bosses could be cheesed with the map geography for God's sake. Edit note, hunhow, absolute Chad.

[@yukinoo1760]

The thing I find disappointed the most is how the New War doesn't feel like proper war. The Kahl and Veso section do give that feeling, but when it come to playing as the Tenno we build up and prepare, we just got skip right to Narmar complete domination right away. It could have been nice if we get to fly around trying to fight off the invading sentient first before we end up uniting with Grineer and Corpus to do decapitating strike at Sentient Mothership. It's also a shame other factions leader like Grineer queen and Pavos doesn't play any roles. Pavos said before he's preparing for the return of sentient with him operating inside pocket void dimension mean he could have kept on fighting. We see that there characters out there like Nora or Little Duck who haven't been veild yet, but we never get to see if there's resistance out there or where have all these powerful characters gone to. The quest also make it seems like there's only a single Tenno even though there suppose to much much more Tenno running around. A good explaination of why all Tenno disappear would be fine for me, but I feel a little bum when we know almost nothing and we just got more questions than answer here. Hope more lore stuff will make it clearer in the future Anyway, I do really enjoy the quest even if it lack some parts I hope for.That literal man in the wall also pretty nice although it scare the feck out of my sleep deprived self. On another note, I like Radiant Lotus design but I forgoes her for Margulis too cause I just want something new and getting to see her naked face is enough freshness to tip me toward choosing her

[@DeaminZaints]

Personally im most dissapointed in the fact that we didnt get any new gameplay mechanics/systems really. Drifter is just a operator cosmetic right now, Lotus is also just cosmetic, new weapons and new bounties arent actually systems or anything either... Second dream gave us Focus and operators War withing gave us Kuva and the tileset and Rivens (i think?) This was a mainline Quest that had been hyped for 2-3 years or so and while the quest itself was good, there just isnt really anything new in the game as a result of it...

[@ravvel5847]

The way Erra goes from 100 to 10 throught the quest makes me laugh everytime

[@Zand3rParkour]

The Plains also have a ton of dead Condrixes scattered across it now, and there are Narmer remnant bounties for both Cetus and Fortuna. But I agree, I expected the post quest game to be...different

[@avaliantsoul5408]

while that is disappointing (im pretty disappointed too), it also makes sense. most new players wont play this quest until they've put in 100-500ish hours. making new tilesets and content that's only available after that much time investment unfortunately isn't that great of a financial investment. they did makeover PoE slightly, but overall, while disappointed, I'm not surprised.

[@pixelisator0138]

The introduction of the drifter and the elevator intro in fortuna I found were so good personally they really gave that "we lost" feeling, sad it didn't carry for really long. If we had still all the starchart controlled by narmer after the quest (and eventually ballas not dying yet in the quest) it would have been just amazing, it's kinda a missed opportunity right now but I hope it will change in a future update and that we would get to see that narmer faction coming back everywhere

[@O00InKs000]

Personally, my only real gripe with the New War was that we didn't get to spend too much during the initial war sequence. I was hoping to see the desperation build up as everything around us fell apart. Similar to how it felt in Mass Effect with the Reaper's arrival. The whole opening war sequence just ended, bcuz our Tenno just gave up & turned his/her back; it felt pretty flat for something Warframe has been building-up to all these years.

[@-seacero-9137]

5:57 imagine if he gave him that bow, in a week every tenno in the systems would have another op sentient slayer weapon that they got by acident while leveling in hydron.

[@SyBeR35]

Looks like there was actually about 10-20 years between when the operator kicked into the void VS when we end the quest. The crashes sentient ships on the plains are covered in quite a bit of dirt and plant life built up on them. Makes the dialogue from Nora and Little Duck a lot more sense. It’s just never explained and left up to the player to assume X amount of years have passed…

[@tannebraevitus1222]

Ok but did no one else catch the line in the quest when the drifter accesses transference and makes the comment about operating a warframe not being too different to riding a horse? I mean they gave a heavy handed nod to the potential for the Duviri Paradox with that.

[@TacticalPotato]

Oh we all noticed that, and when drifter mentions diviri as well.

[@profjpg]

I actually thought that it was not us who saw the man in the wall, but the lotus. I mean the "kiddo"-tenno seems to mimic the one she talks with and normally she looks like our characters, but in that scene she had a lotus hat.

[@AshisogiTenno]

totally agree. thx for the insight

[@adonai56]

I was expecting random encounters with the new types of enemies like stranglers all over

[@grepolianmagic7686]

I hate how they went "oh by the way Ballas wants to eat the sun lmao" at the end

[@dupree9881]

Maybe i missed something but how did Ballas go from chained humiliated prisinor, to chef of the whole thing? Apart from that, i´m happy to have the Lotus back, Kahl is just the besty, almost makes me don´t want to kill Grineer anymore. I´m a bit dissapointed that we did not see a bit more about how the alliance came to be. There was just all in all a so little build up, like a lot of important stuff just happend somewhere of screen. And last but not least that there seem to be so little consequences, as if everyone just went like " 'shrug', back normal i guess".

[@Safetyman99]

I was wondering the same thing about Ballas. Maybe it has to do with the alternate universe thing... I'm not an expert on WF's lore.

[@Linksays]

It’s because Ballas was never a slave. It was a trick, because as you saw in the cutscene before NW, Erra drops the leash and Ballas stand together after Erra betrays Natah.

[@dragonquest8ftw1]

Why did we make an alliance with backstabbing ALAD V of all corpus CEO's?! The guy who messed with sentient technology behind the scenes and almost destroyed the one advantage we had over them. Hell, I'd've picked the Sergeant over him and he's about as useful as wet tissue paper.

[@Reader999]

People who paid attention would know that Ballas was faking it during the prologue's. At certain parts, he makes some unusual behaviors for a so called "prisoner" or slave then at the very end of the last prologue, he reveals it.

[@neonnemesis3267]

Ballas and Erra were pretending so they could use the Lotus/Natah powers to orchestrate the invasion. Ballas was the real mastermind behind it, Erra was his accomplice (it is possible that Ballas was the one that saved or brought back Erra after he got blown in the Old War by the Tenno making Erra more of a underling than a accomplice). It's why you see in that cutscene were Ballas appears chained that once Natah starts "singing" Erra drops the leash and Ballas stands up unafraid. As the war went on Ballas got results and Erra realized it was better for him to run things since he could do what he and his kind weren't able to, the reason why he had that discussion with Hunhow about how Erra was just another Dax in everything but name and about how Ballas did what Hunhow couldn't. Ballas very likely planed his alteration into a part Sentient so that the Sentient would obey him once Natah was gone which he planed to happen during the war so he ends up with control of the Sentient army as well as the Narmer leaving him as the undisputed ruler and Erra forced to obey him.

[@dsagent]

*Spoilers* Nothing changes. Not much new content was added. Lotus is still around. For some reason they killed off Teshin. My drifter is really ugly and bald for some reason.

[@alvinnuari2575]

yeah my drifter too, girl and bald

[@biffin1123]

With all the women empowerment BS going on in the media. I think they killed off Teshin probably because they can't stand an interesting male character.

[@MEYH3M]

This is the First expansion i played that didn't have a single bug in it. from start to finish it was smooth sailing.

[@repstyle8518]

it had bugs But The patches came in Quick day 1 and onward

[@MEYH3M]

@@repstyle8518 I actually played it the minute it lunched, was watching the stream by DE_Steve

[@anouar9169]

I totaly agree, this update was a one time thing and a pure disapointment after Also this quest was pure nonsense, pointless deaths, evil characters becoming good, characters we see 1 time and then disappear for ever etc.

[@JrAlfrin]

In short. We were waiting a "few years" for 3 hours of content with glued together enemies and a new tile set consisting of like 4 rooms. Nice job DE

[@jacobtuck3086]

The reason it took so long was because the pandemic set them back a literal year cut them some slack.

[@anixoni]

@@jacobtuck3086 lmao stop it white knight. It’s slowed them down maybe but it didn’t stop them completely. And 3yrs for a story which makes no sense. And post content that doesn’t match after the quest is a joke. Was it fun yes but stop acting like it was worth a 3yr wait.

[@nicholasribbot7367]

I hate that it took this long to come out but I enjoyed it for the most part

[@kingatlanofatlantis3075]

@@jacobtuck3086 Sorry but COVID isn’t an excuse.

[@kingatlanofatlantis3075]

@@anixoni It wasn’t worth the 4 year wait.

[@madkaris7224]

Didn't like it: no war, no info on how they retrieved Lotus, the war didn't leave scars on the opened world. The quills and the Entrati were missing, not a word from the syndicates. Overall it was a test for DE to experiment new gameplay for Duviri i assume, nothing really matter in this story even the so called "toxic relationship" between Lotus and Ballas...

[@ayushdeshmukh284]

Couple of explanations: The war left scars on PoE. Very visible ones. There was no war on Orb Vallis, just instant takeover using the Veil. The quills never get involved directly, it's out they work. The Entrati can't really do anything from a small moon, especially when Ballas magically made all Tenno disappear leaving them with no point of contact. Not sure what you mean "nothing really matters." The power vacuum in the Narmer is gonna cause a massive War, the real war.

[@avaliantsoul5408]

@@ayushdeshmukh284 btw, if you are keen of eye, you can actually spot the entrati "helping" in that the text on eternalism is written/narrated by one the entrati clan (not one of the ones we know though. random fact lmao

[@DamienValentineKoguntetzu]

6:05 I thought for sure you were gonna say "You're kinda wondering what other weapons has Hunhow got "back there" in his arse" .....Especially when the Stalker reaches ... well.... "Back there"

[@inkromancer_studios]

"Do not be afraid..." 'Because apparently you're not going to be relevent for the rest of the quest...'

[@kejimaeda]

The quest was very rushed. It's more like an event than a big update. We never touched on how Drifter contacted Ordis. Or how Ballas went from being leashed to king of all. Plus the bossfight was idiotic. It was literally just making Ballas shoot 4 mirror things that had nothing to do with anything.

[@merchantmocha4665]

The leash thing was an act. Go watch the maker again

[@Movel0]

I remember keeping Nira for last expecting a cool final showdown and I killed her so fast I couldn't even process what just happened :/

[@PerigoBerro]

3:33 OMG POOR KONZU MATE YOU MADE ME DO A SPIT TAKE! 🤣🤣🤣

[@steamperegrine]

Halfway through it all, I thought maybe we would be able to switch back and forth between a Narmer ruled universe and the regular starchart, running a rebellion.

[@NeroWolf42]

one thing i didn't like about the quest is if you choose natah or lotus, you don't get the "lotus" or "natah" that's in the selection screen. feel like it's a bit of a cop out like, i mainly chose natah because it felt right and i'd get that cool new lotus skin, but i got her in a sentient instead of the "eidolon" lotus that's shown.

[@Voldrim359]

There are skins for your "Lotus" to make her look like the sentient

[@bjarnivalur6330]

Yeah, I was so disappointed that I couldn't play with the Drifters abilities after the quest. Another thing about Erras change of heart is how the Tenno just trust him, like _"oh, sure, you just helped eradicate the star system but you say you change your mind so it's all good"_

[@amadhollow635]

Also, what was the point of locking us in the necromech if we couldn't use it after the erra escort quest

[@MiquShiro]

I think The Man in the Wall literally being The Man in the Wall is more or less how we see him (operator/drifter) not how he actually looks, since Rell didnt specify if he saw it as anything or literally as The Man in the Wall (he mightve though). I think The Man in the Wall is actually some kind of cosmic concept that exists within the void without a form, either appearing as yourself or something someone else called it.

[@avaliantsoul5408]

iirc, the Man in the Wall (space-dad. sorry teshin, you're space-step-dad) is basically the personification of the Void itself. He used to show up in your orbiter as a clone of your operator (I say used to because I legit haven't experienced it in some 100+ hours recently) and say random things. I kinda interpret him as Chaos (or Khaos, if you prefer) being neither good nor evil, nor having any particular goals or aspirations. just watching, never really interfering.

[@MiquShiro]

@@avaliantsoul5408 Thats what I mean by a concept, it exists it just doesnt have a form, which is why I think the reason for him being a persons doppelganger is more like a mirror image reflecting from the void and being the most recognizable image for a person, while "the man in the wall" is more of how rell saw him and not how he actually looks like since "he who waits behind a wall" is most likely one of his titles too which doesnt apply to the "wall form" we see, on top of that he is also called "the indifference" (showing his neutral stance) and "lidless eye" by the red veil which imo dont represent how we see him during the quest (on top of that lotus says she saw nothing, void = nothing). You probably dont see him anymore because youre unlucky/lucky but he is still there, thats just how random chance works

[@macgillicutty188]

Agreed. I was really hoping for a game-changing mechanic like the introduction of the operator or focus... Oh well.

[@teddybrewski8009]

Yeah not gonna lie. Teshin getting killed off so casually really bums me out.

[@zentun544]

i can't believe in what DE did to Teshin, how can they kill a so important character in front of you and nothing happens at all, also the scene was so out of rhythm that i thought that my game glitched and for some reason i skipped a part of the quest, it was so weird and i really dislike how they did it, it looks like something completely rushed.

[@Metaknight145]

What annoys me most about teshin's death, is that at the end after everything was settled we didn't get a little Teshin funeral. Maybe more characters should have died to have like a group memorial thing for all of them at the end.

[@majinalastor5740]

just realised his missing finger is actually our Reliquary drive

[@SuperAnimeFever]

Let's not forget that the infested did nothing in this quest. I was hoping to play as an infested character. You would think arguably the second strongest faction behind the sentient would do something or even play a factor in the story, but nope they dont seem to care.

[@kittentamer2164]

They only feed. In hindsight, it makes sense. Infestation can assimilate sentients. The only thing they can’t affect were the tenno. They would have run rampant.

[@ezekiel6628]

I like teshin's death being glazed over. While I would've like a small voice line or look, it really emphasizes how brutal the new war was, they didn't even have time to mourn their dead.

[@akutosai9187]

3:54 he got a stroke when we had a ‚little snack‘

[@whitemagus2000]

I quite liked the Kahl, Veso, and Drifter parts. It was awesome to see the war through the eyes of guys who can't just pull another super soldier body out of the cloner if they are killed. And then see them go full Chad at the end made me respect them so much. I didn't enjoy the Teshin part nearly as much and thought their quick disposal of Erra was dumb. Don't sentients adapt to blunt damage? I took Magulis too, for the same reasons. Just wanted to have something different happen after all this. I'm living at the drifter camp too. Do we have access to Ordis drone these days?

[@ottolees7208]

I didnt understand why we played as Kahl, and Veso, and Teshin...like...what was the point ? How is Ballas still alive ? Like, I am not some lore nerd but last time I saw him he was chained to Era like a doggy, so how did he become this all powerful ruler ? New operator is okay I guess, bow is cool but...it´s a bow...who cares...Era is now dead too I guess ? This was a very messy quest, pacing was all over the place, I am just done with railjack missions, so tired of that part of the game. Cut-scenes were great. Like I said, new operator is fun but over all it was very meh for me. Buuut I am looking forward to 2028 for next chapter of Warframes story.

[@hiddendesire3076]

Actually if you noticed closely, Ballas’s rip cage was exposed and he had melted flesh from the hole torn in his chest by that blade. Erra had handed Ballas over to Natah, and Ballas as he became an Orokin/Sentient hybrid, filled his head with ideas of power and control, of conquest and victory. He became willing to set aside his own emotions to take the chance.

[@TacticalPotato]

playing as Kahl, Veso and Teshin was just for perspective. See what the war was like from someone elses view. Well its what it seemed to me

[@palmapalmowa1301]

@@TacticalPotato yeah but for me it was advertised as khal and veso and all other characters will mean something at the end. Especially clifhanger with khal at the end of tennocon presentation ... but they showed almost whole act one in tennocon, we knew whole story of khal before quest started, veso at least got jackal fight and heroic death.

[@ErelasInglor]

I ended up leaving the game due to this story and other factors in the community. After being with the game since beta I finally kicked the bucket. I was really hoping they would kill off the Lotus and give Teshin a lead role, instead they saved the "Lotus" and essentially did away with Teshin. Truly disappointing to still have her character drug along in this game after all the crap she pulls. But that's just my take as a veteran. :(

[@neonnemesis3267]

This is gonna be a wall of text but here goes. The Quest should have been split in two parts. The first one would be the New War where you play switching from the Tenno to Kahl to Veso to Tenshin over several missions on different planets showing the fall of the Origin System at the hand of the Sentient ending up with the same outcome to the war but leaving Kahl and Veso fates unknown. After this we would have Ordis telling us he would play records of our past missions and we would return to the orbiter and resume regular play until the release of the 2nd part. Then we'd have a 2nd part launched later called either Slaves of Narmer or Visions of Narmer that would tackle the Drifter part while revealing that Kahl and Veso survived. We would hunt the Archons with the Drifter, free Grineer with Kahl and Corpus with Veso eventually teaming up leading to a rebellion. The Unum would be revealed to be a Cephalon or something else maybe a surviving member of the Seven that no longer cares but doesn't want Ballas to have it's way rather than a glorified hi-tech elevator and would with the help of Corpus or Orokin tech from Veso, Kuva replenishment from Kahl and void energy from the Drifter/Operator disrupts a great part of the Narmer signal releasing the Grineer and Corpus and resuming the New War forcing Ballas to try to snuff the sun as a last ditch effort. We would fight Erra halfway but he comes to his senses and help us and the end would be very similar but Kahl and Veso survive and become popular members of their factions (Veso a member of the Board and Kahl a General or something) that are open to dialogue with the Tenno (despite the majority still being against it). Narmer would have control of 1 or 2 planets to show that they did and still do exist. The way it was done it seems they tried to do too much but came out too short. The war feels too short, Narmer losing feels too sudden and unexpected, one would expect that in the void of power left by Ballas and Erra, Hunhow would take over but suddenly all the Sentient ships are down (at least a rebellion triggered by Veso and Kahl would explain it) and everyone controlled by Narmer is suddenly free except for the ones in bounties.

[@Ashurman666]

I do have one big gripe with this New War and that is that this wasn't a war, this was an execution, a show of force. You never had any chance to win, the moment Ballas started the invasion he had already won. And yes you get to beat him in the end but you know what I mean. Speaking of Ballas, the battle against him at the end of was terrible. I had more fun fighting the Archons than fighting Ballas. Also you speak of Eternalism but that's kind of not a thing anymore, at least not for our Operator.

[@ThrealAc]

Love the lore, loved the quest, chose Margulis myself because it just felt like the right thing to do. Coming up on 6 years of playing myself and can't wait for what's next.

[@amadhollow635]

One, resurrecting the dead mom prime is the obvious choice considering the problem of lotus Two, I always pick moon path, and it almost always makes the most sense; if I picked lotus or for some brain dead reason natah I would lose my perfect moon streak

[@StalxD]

I prefer Natah the bow is good . I did not like veso part,the spy part with drift guy was clunky,Erra changed sides to fast he was the villain for so long. The sun part was visually pleasing,they could have changed the poe guys spawn place for the unum tower. Cant w8 for duviri and operator beards :)

[@KumaBones]

Kahl's segment felt like playing as Doomslayer in Warframe. Drifter = Splinter Cell Veno = sci-fi puzzle adventure game

[@zawarudo7806]

I kinda wish they showed more interactions for Erra with Ballas or Hunhow, showing how he starts to question Ballas ways and starts to acknowledge Hunhows words. Then a final interaction of him contemplating of whether he is doing what's right, which is when he decides to help us after hearing about the lotus and realizing she needs help in order to defeat Ballas. This would've given him more depth to his decision and made it so that we at least follow through his reasoning on why he decided to help us in the first place

[@Hugo-lx3wl]

My real problem with the quest, outside the fact that my drifter losing all her abilities and her forgetting how to use a weapons pisses me off to hell, is the fact that there is absolutely no consequences whatsoever to what happened ? The planetes didn't change, the solar system didn't, dialogues didn't, it just feels like the quest happened in another dimension.

[@Emilstekcor]

I want more

[@Emilstekcor]

Also first

[@Legion.Player]

War didn't feel like war it felt like broken war.

[@navetal]

One easy way they could bring Erra back is to say that he took over the leadership of Narmer after Ballas' death. He did support Ballas until he went mad enough to try and snuff out the sun, then he got the Tenno to fight Ballas (I doubt he could do much to him himself) and now he'll come back as the new leader, justifying it by saying that he was Narmer's right hand man (or sentient) and what he's doing is Narmer's will, or something like that.

[@acheron16]

The most weird part was Ballas suddenly becoming top dog. Last time we saw him he was literally Erra's bitch, leash and everything.

[@ayushdeshmukh284]

Not at all no, we have known that was all an act since the beginning... Also, you know, Ballas single-handedly won them the war with no need for bloodshed by banishing the Tenno and Veiling the system...

[@acheron16]

@@ayushdeshmukh284 Still doesnt explain how Erra just gave him power and thought that he'd instead make a good leader

[@alxchief]

Most disappointing about the update is apart from the quest I don't have anything else to do apart from farming the weapons and mods at least with empyrean it was a new gamemode I mean was expecting a new mode in Wich use a corpus or grinder or a pvp gamemode like star wars battlefront

[@br0s4ver56]

"Oh no Konzu's gone for lunch" had me xD

[@PhaxtolgiaLetsPlay]

I think The New War's biggest weakness is it tried to do too many things at once. I wouldn't mind if the quest was split into multiple quests. I think that would've allowed the story to become a lot more focused and cohesive than what we got now.

[@andreabrembilla6466]

5 things left me disappointed: 1 out of nowhere, Ballas is the boss and leader, and the Sentients mindlessly followed him. Some say there were some subtle hints, but they were waaaay to subtle imho. 2 i wanted (and still want) the Drifter to be just as like he was during the quest, not an alternative operator skin basically. Imagine the fun, being him just like in the quest with all the star chart available literally in hard mode for us to use. A huge missed opportunity. 3 Tenshin's death should've been honored, are you kidding me?! He's been with us since the beginning... That red holo alone isn't enough AT ALL 4 they said 'WF world will never be the same after the new war', and guess what. It's exactly the same, lol. I mean a little more effort would've been appreciated. We ended the quest and it's the same thing all over again. 5 erasing/postponing being a Grineer/Corpus/Dax/Drifter is another huge missed opportunity. I don't care about January tbh, we waited years for this quest, we shouldn't have to wait EVEN MORE. Overall a good quest that could've been great with just a little more effort lore/post questo gameplay wise.

[@personanonmaga5178]

if by "this part" you mean the entire story of the New War quest and how the overall lore has been handled up until this point... then yes, couldn't agree more

[@doomdoot6731]

Tater, I don't know whether DE watches your videos, but REALLY hope they do for this one. The video put my (and probably a lot of others' judging by the comments) opinion into consise and constructive words. And I really really also hope someone at DE (maybe Reb or some other community manager) reads these comments, because the top comments on this video contain so much good feedback and improvement ideas. The quest was amazing and felt great to play - although the pacing was a bit off at the end - but what we really lack now is the aftermath of the New War happening. Especially with how the quest canonically included a time skip from when we got voided to when Drifter showed up.

[@holloworeo2233]

Once DE shows us the Leader of Namer (probably Erra, would be strange if it was Hunhow), we could probably have a new event or something. Imagine all the murexs activate once again and start the takeover again, while we try to stop them as a whole. I also believe that at the end of the quest, the man in the wall actually entered our solar system (he didn't get pushed back in, looked like he moved forward)...or something along those lines. One thing that doesn't make sense is the New War acts as if we are the lone tenno but in other parts of the game, it acts as though we are not alone.

[@cheb2695]

It was a little disappointing, glad we got some closure but, felt as though the wait wasn't exactly worth it, as always, love you tater

[@cheesepuddin1266]

I felt the same way, it didn't help that the first half I encountered sooooooo many game breaking bugs that ruined it for me.

[@ayushdeshmukh284]

I'm not sure why people talk about the wait... I guess people expected them to have been working on it during 2020, which they certainly could not do... They worked on the quest for 8-10 months total and had to wrap up the Lotus story fast cause of the much longer than expected wait... The wait was because of Covid, during which they couldn't work on a quest that was impossible to finish. I'm more than satisfied with what we got given all that, especially cause we are still gonna receive all the actual war part...

[@cheesepuddin1266]

@@ayushdeshmukh284 I think in terms of time people are just mad that it was annouced at tenno con back in 2019. So for them to not be working on it till very recently seems either silly or improbable .

[@cheb2695]

@@ayushdeshmukh284 Don't get me wrong, the quest itself was brilliant, but there was so many bugs, was a bit glitchy, and not much changed after it. Overhyped would probably be the best word for it.

[@maxineshideout852]

Honestly i was disappointed. Quest felt incredibly short while some parts of it were amazing the overall quest felt like it had no impact at all on the game exept for leaving some murax corpses around. The end boss was a complete disappointment as it wasnt even really a fight and why was erra build up so much over the prologue jsut to become ballas's lapdog.

[@PERSONAfan01]

With Erra, I don't buy that he's dead or that he's changed. In fact I'm still on the Prolog of the New War where Lotus said that she was certain that he had died on Lua.

[@ABonafideSkeleton]

I really liked how we got one of the best quests in the game to introduce Excalibur Umbra who is a unique warframe with a semblance of free will and one HELL of a vendetta against Ballas only to be completely forgotten about straight afterwards and have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO IN A QUEST WHERE THE OBJECTIVE IS TO MURDER THE EVERLIVING FUCK OUT OF BALLAS.

[@se5384]

I hated the boss fights. Long and tedious. Taking away all our gear seems to be the only way DE knows how to do boss fights anymore. The wanderer faces look terrible and having a pale complexion does not seem to be an option. I felt nothing but relief finishing quest and was just glad to not be locked out of the game anymore.

[@Damiv]

I didn't enjoy a single second of it. Not knocking on DEs work, I just hated this. I play warframe for the fast paced action of slaughtering hordes, and this quest line didn't have any of that.

[@ArcDragoon]

Potato: Not because of booba. It was something different. Inside Potato: Booba = Different

[@stephenschneekloth1535]

I know a few people that where hoping for a "kill Lotus" option and a new "handler" to take her place like Teshin

[@Smilomaniac]

Note how the story was ever only good when they didn’t spell it out for you. It’s convoluted and needlessly complicated. Time travel/dimensions are an annyoying crutch. Hunhow resurfacing is awkward. The Archon’s power crystals are a hugely overpowered mcguffin. And none of it was about the namesake of the game. DE circumvented and blocked all your powers and weapons yet again. 3/10 experience.

[@Disslikeinator]

Quest was nothing but annoying.

[@securatyyy]

Lotus got fashion frame Teshin got conclaved

[@Raven-fr3ki]

I was actually surprised when I went to fortuna and Cetus and found everyone is alive, and while I was relieved that wasn’t exactly what I expected, oh and I was incredibly disappointed with all of the Quill dialogue in Cetus, and he legit has 0 point to the new war? Idk seemed a huge wasted opportunity