WarGaming Please STOP GAME RIGGING CHEATING - I Will Tell You How!

[@ClausKellerman]

1 - Implement que delay so platoons clicking battle at the same time will NOT populate the same game. (easy) 2 - Actively identify accounts that do zero damage or sit afk and suspend them quickly. (easy) Result - Cheating Companies out of business. OUR GAME IMPROVED.

[@jackbaxter7149]

Making an algorithm to identify accounts would be especially easy. They could get an intern to write it and it would take a second to go through the 80k active users on NA once a day. Maybe a couple of seconds to go through the active users on EU and RU.

[@stevedavis920]

I like it.

[@tbg1972]

Also any account that hasn't logged in a certain amount of days/years should be deactivated. This way Boosting company can't steal accounts to use as bots.

[@1ytcommenter]

@@tbg1972 that is right. six month unused then it will be deleted.

[@gfrey5711]

Agreed

[@matthewmckean8771]

Wouldn't surprise me to find out Wargaming is actually running their own boosting company

[@rvermeulen66]

I said that after his 1st video on this subject

[@stevedavis920]

My thoughts exactly.

[@fromhelltocell]

Yep.

[@whoknows8225]

BoostGaming inc

[@bigt4583]

I PROMISE they are definitely behind at least 1 boosting company

[@toufiqrahman4927]

You're doing a great job man. When others are silent & sometimes even try to justify; you're speaking the truth even knowing it may hurt you back. Salute to your for your bravery & honesty!

[@richardferg6455]

Unlike many who won't say or do anything, you sir have a big set of balls! Wish you the best and a happy new year.

[@FulcrumKC]

Claus, you are not taking into consideration that WG could have direct stake, or perhaps even the ownership of the boosting companies and is effectively their secondary revenue stream...it would certainly explain why they are deaf to the problem....it would also cover all of the issues and suggestions you mentioned.

[@matthewmckean8771]

It would also make perfect sense as to how so many inactive accounts are taken over and used as feeders

[@blowbert9126]

You need evidence to make these claims. You are aware of that?

[@JediBenknobi]

@@blowbert9126 “When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

[@blowbert9126]

@@JediBenknobi So you have eliminated hacked accounts, bought accounts and bot generated accounts? And the only answer left is Wargaming? When did you eliminated the other options or does blaming WG somehow make you feel better?

[@DirkLerxst2112]

@@blowbert9126 thing is though why is there zero acknowledgement from WG on this issue. They need to communicate even just to say we are aware of this issue and are working through solutions. That's why some of the guys above are blaming WG. I'm not offering an opinion either way as I'm hoping WG are looking into this issue but then I've always been an optimist.

[@justanomaly3338]

Thank you for keeping this issue in front of the community Claus, you are the only person doing so and the silence from the others is deafening. I would like to address two elements -- the other CCs, and WG. First, the CC's, and specifically Skill. He came out this week (twice) - the first time, making fun of those who were concerned with this, calling people lazy and both denying anything was happening and then at the same time blaming the community for it happening. I have watched Skill for years, both his YT channel and his twitch stream, and I have never been more disappointed or shocked. And I wasn't the only one -- the comments on his video almost uniformly castigated him, and he quickly issued another video claiming he was simply misunderstood and joking previously. Bullshit. He was caught, and demonstrated who he really is -- one who cares little for the concerns of the community, who cares little for an ethical playing environment, and one who is in it for his own purposes ($$$). I, like many, do not believe anything he says about this topic now, his credibility ruined, and now only subscribe to you. (I know you are friends, so I don't expect you to have any comments about this, and I understand that.) All that said, I am glad at least one CC has the spine, character, and moral binding to bring this up and confront it on behalf of the community - thank you again for that Claus. Second, WG is almost certainly directly involved in this -- either as a corporation, or as individual WG employees. That is the only means by which old, abandoned accounts (most created 8-10 years ago) could suddenly become reactivated. Related, though admittedly less obvious, the matchmaking itself whereby these boosting companies and accounts are able to consistently get into battles together is suspect and may be the result of WG or WG employees. (It must be consistent to support the vol of work/demand of these multiple boosting companies and the delivery timelines they offer.) In sum, thank you for your efforts; the community needs more Claus' and less self-serving ego CCs.

[@1ytcommenter]

Skill is an absolute clown. He is making a living of wargaming. So he never ever would bite the hand that feeds him.

[@dph1usa]

Yes, I lost quite a bit of regard for Skill.

[@MrFlipcas]

the rest are in Wargaming's pocket, the community is outraged at this nonsense but nobody is covering it, strange!

[@--_DJ_--]

I watched his second video on the subject before the first one. What a clown. He just went into damage control mode, he clearly doesn't care if the game that pays his bills is being rigged or not. I had already clicked the do not recommend this channel button for him not wanting to even discuss the issue weeks ago.

[@jangoooo]

Well Said JA. I've never liked skill as he is just a mouthpiece for WG and that was pretty obvious recently by D riding WG over the festive period.

[@paulvalaire6759]

It’s not a bad idea Claus, but I think the unintended consequence will be a massive increase in AFK platoons as they will just saturate the count in in order to get the match they want. Not a bad idea that needs to be explored a bit more

[@ClausKellerman]

And those AFK platoon tank accounts can be deactivated when they show themselves...

[@bbg5000]

@@ClausKellerman Better to use something like ELO ranking to sort players into teams. Imagine for a minute that none of this is cheating, it's just really bad players going up against a platoon of unicoms. By sorting players based on 'skill' (could use average exp over the past x games) then you won't end up with a unicom in a battle with 20 players who have WN8 of

[@RobinTheobald-uu8kd]

@@bbg5000 that would be exactly what the boosting companies want. Then they dont need to try and drop in. You would hand them a free card to do it.

[@bbg5000]

@@RobinTheobald-uu8kd Why would they want that? If you hire them to boost your account, then after a few matches they'd be pitted against higher skilled players.

[@urdaanglospey6666]

@@RobinTheobald-uu8kd If it's players trying to boost their accounts, why would they want that? They'd have to play like trash for an entire week (or not play at all while the boosting company runs their account). The players that care about stats enough to pay aren't going to want their overall stats to be permanently decreased. If it's players who are trying to unlock a tank, maybe they don't care about stats? Sure, for those players, the company would have an easier time of it BUT, again, the player can't play the game while their stats are being sufficiently reduced (unless they're actually THAT bad).

[@schwebor]

Mailand showed a single-player cheater, he joined the battle with 2 artys at the same time, so that if they end up in the same battle he could see enemys position. So he blindfired at the enemy team like crazy, so there is also cheating with single players

[@ClausKellerman]

Also Daki made a video

[@karlnitz1126]

Saw that, sneaky varmit...

[@rycor9117]

Keep at this Claus - your the only voice for players. Skill totally tried to brush it off on fear. Until he got an earful from players then he suddenly jumped back on board. How are these old accounts coming back without WG knowing anything? Zero dollars to WG is the only way - 2023 start the boycott and spend zero dollars to them until they fix this issue.

[@AdrianLParker]

My guess is that people are selling their old accounts, or the company running the service created the accounts originally

[@rycor9117]

@@AdrianLParker I can see that.

[@rnchan321]

Totally agree. stop spending a single penny to WG until they fix the problem.

[@gord7025]

there are a lot of players not good enough for the reward tanks they have in their garage. There has been rigging to get them since they started the reward tank missions. I also think someone at Wargaming is selling dormant accounts to the boosting companies.

[@KOz1caa]

I honestly think that WG is actually the ones doing it from a shell company. I would give that an 84% likely hood.

[@HolographicThoughts]

The reason the WG insider theories are junk is that; 1) WG could just make their own accounts that did not belong to any players as boosting fodder 2) WG could just modify the account databases to give tanks to buyers 3) WG, if they did not use the above EASY solutions, could make a private matchmaking queue that no real player would ever see. You wouldn't need anything publicly accessible Everyone assumes electronic credentials are secure when they are not. Millions of accounts of all kinds are breached or leaked by outsiders on a daily basis.

[@rogerborg]

@@HolographicThoughts Occam's razor gunna cut a bitch.

[@HolographicThoughts]

@@rogerborg Here's an analogy for you. Lets say you want to earn money from a bank. You could work hard to get paid for that work and sure enough that bank is gonna have money waiting for you. This matchmaking hijacking is like getting 5 people to "work" but for just your account, so you claim all the reward. If you had an insider working for the bank, they locate your account balance, tap in 6 extra zeros, and you're a millionaire in seconds. This is what WG would do if they wanted to get people reward tanks on the side. They wouldn't fuck around with actually working for the outcome when manipulating the account directly negates all of this effort. You see how typing a couple lines is the most Occam's razor solution possible to this, and why all the effort of hijacking accounts is only moderately less of a grind compared to playing solo? In my game dev work as an admin, I type what I want in my account and I have it instantly. With this power, why would I need to do what the gameplay requires of me?

[@jeffvaness8333]

I must also add that it is very disappointing that other content providers don’t have the stomach to stand up and be counted by exposing the cheaters! Again awesome work Claus

[@jeffvaness8333]

Then more the reason to grow a pair and speak up! Their silence says it all!

[@Terrorbrot]

@@cuddlycatmurko8711 well to be honest, this just isn't big enough of a deal to justify everyone in the wot community to make a video about it. These boosting services have existed for years now it's not like they just recently popped up and with Claus shining light on some of those replays I don't know why more content creators would have to do so. Also this argument with them being secretly payed by WG is so brain-dead 😂 YES, OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THEM ARE, THEY EVEN TELL YOU. But that has never held anyone back from shitting on bad premium tanks or calling additions like ebrs or the italian TDs "cancer", so I don't see a reason why they wouldn't be allowed to talk about this stuff. Imo these kinds of conspiracies are just a way for players to cope with not improving at the game

[@--_DJ_--]

I see Skill finally broached the subject. Sadly it was in the most pathetic way possible. I don't buy his damage control follow-up for a second. I appreciate you sticking to this Claus, I left a message on his video for people to send their replays to you, who actually cares about the problem without being forced into it by the community.

[@zGJungle]

He really pissed me off with that video, basically said we are cry babies and should get over it, he infuriated me with his down talk, like we are child retards.

[@cloraformsgood5340]

After skills second video where he said he never sees anything wrong ( suprise suprise WG dont put CCS that record games into rigged battles) then asking for proof from players. I left a message saying " just message Claus, he's got 100s of rigged videos" Skill won't do anything to jeopardize his income.

[@drasticfred]

Skill just saw multiple K's of likes and comments on Mr.Kellerman's video and tried to capitalize on this. Skill is a hypocrite.

[@--_DJ_--]

@@drasticfred He was forced into it, he wasn't trying to capitalize on anything. If people in his chat were quiet about it, he would have never brought it up.

[@ual737ret]

Thanks for bringing this out, Klaus. I’ve never cheated in the 8 years I’ve been playing and sometimes I feel like the game is definitely rigged against guys like me. I see weird shit going on in this game every day. Keep exposing this problem.

[@p4radigm989]

WG could also easily scan all their accounts for extreme low stats. IF an account has 0 WN8 over weeks they can just lock/disable it. but of course ...WG is running the Boosting Scam themselves most likely.

[@GenHummel96]

Its not enough scanning for 0 wn8 accounts... Even real player sbelow 100 wn8 are so big garbage, i would aet that as an limit... 100 wn8 players are as game breaking as 0wn8, so they are no loss at all 😅 Or wg finally starts limiting accounts below lets say 48% overall win ratio so they cant get higher than lets say tier 8 until they learn how the game works... So wg will still make decent profit by selling premium tanks to them but they wont be able to access the "pro league" 😊

[@Zeptrio]

@@GenHummel96 as much as i hate locking a part of the game behind a "skill wall" that solution would likely work. i got to agree with it this would give an actual purpose to stats as well other than just reward tanks.

[@GenHummel96]

@@Zeptrio yep! And it would destroy the business for the boosting companies too, because bad players cant play their boosted reward tabks anyway, even if they manage to rigg the missions in tier 8 (what is incredibly hard)... A Skill wall would improve the overall experience in the high tiers in any way that i can imagine 🤔

[@007KURGAN]

Those are the accounts WG is selling to the boosters 😊

[@one_alonevanalon3458]

@@GenHummel96 if there are bad players in my team there are bad players in the enemy team stop crying abt bad teammates and get better at the game dont blame losing the match on an ally that didnt do any damage cuz i bet there are rounds where u didnt do much damage...

[@Dibbdroid]

I'd be interested on how many games with sub-five minutes, and 5-15, 15-5 (or a lot worse) results, are happening these days. The unicums will tell you these games don't exist but I reckon 95%+ of the games I have in the last 8 months have been like this.

[@tangducbao7309]

You right, the map maker are bias, 1 side is OP while the other is not. They have premium tanks, strong tank, speed ... they are basically the enermy counterpart.

[@tangducbao7309]

It is so popular that I will not suprise if my team got 0-15

[@DIMOGENTE]

It would be nice to have an insider in Wargaming office to tell who is responsible and then talk to Wargaming sponsors who clearly do not expect wargaming to make money on fraud.

[@kens32052]

WG will just release some propaganda riddin BS saying "We are looking into the issue" and that will be the end of it.

[@mdcclxxviepluribusunum1066]

Where are wargaming making money on fraud?

[@oakworkssia2016]

@@mdcclxxviepluribusunum1066 The absence of reaction from Wargaming lets me think so!

[@Hoosier001]

I believe that they have known from the start about this. But it takes time to code a defense and to find the real indentity of the riggers.

[@mdcclxxviepluribusunum1066]

@@oakworkssia2016 you think so. That settles it then😂🤡

[@breandandalton8564]

Thanks for the video, Claus. I'm really appreciative of the work you are doing on this issue. You certainly are the most active CC on the matter. That said, other CCs have not been silent. It was QB's video on the subject that gave you the impetus to start your investigation, remember? And Daki, Mailand and even Skill have made videos about this, so there is no conspiracy of silence - but you know how hard it is to notice this kind of rigging. Anyway, to address your proposed solution: 1. Implement queue delay for platoons. I don't think this will help greatly. Platoons are not key for the rigging companies; it's just a convenience for them. They can easily switch to dropping in single players instead - you saw the screenshot containing 16+ games all being controlled or monitored by one computer. They don't need to rely on people's dexterity to drop their players into the queue at the same time. Still, there is no harm in trying this idea out. 2. Actively identifying accounts that do 0 damage (and 0 assist) and/or are afk will help, but the riggers will adapt. They are getting away with it easily at the moment, but having to do damage will not be a terrible burden on them. Still, it will help to identify and ban such accounts, and it's worth trying

[@MrDanzax]

WOT have already answered to this topic 3 days ago via Skill4ltu: "Everybody are cheating in all the games. Why WOT NOT ? . Please continue to PLAY and PAY !!! Ignore cheating or enroll to the COMPANY" ... (Bravo Claus, you are a good Santa!!)

[@bzum19]

Only in WOT u dont get ban in other games u do.

[@thugdragonz]

The gaming media needs to get in this and spread it.

[@abedoya]

100% with you Claus, the fix sounds great. Also Wargaming should run a query to disable accounts with lower than 100 hit points average damage in the last 100 battles.

[@jamesblack946]

If they disable a wrong account that player can send in a ticket and get stats checked to prove they just suck. A rigging company, or a compromised account sends in a ticket and stats don't support what is found than fuc em. Maybe just suspend the clans that are involved, which would be all of them .

[@MrHyde-wv8wi]

IMO- Wargaming is in on the rigging, for a cut in the Boosting Fees. How else does the Boosting Group acquire ALL These DEAD ACCOUNTS?

[@iatsd]

Except there *are* people out there that are that fvcking bad and are genuinely trying. The problem with any formulaic solution like that or like Clause suggests is that the formula can be easily avoided. 100 battles with less than 100 dmg gets you banned? Great! Every 50 games have the account play a normal game. Or, given the number of dormant accounts, run the account out to 100 games, have it auto suspended AND DON'T GIVE A CRAP JUST MOVE ONTO THE NEXT THROW AWAY ACCOUNT until it hits 100 games. Rinse and repeat.

[@MrHyde-wv8wi]

@@iatsd You can't see the forest, because there are too many trees in your way. Wargaming has Boosting Franchises all over out there. IMO. I might add, Clause's solution can not be dismissed that easily.

[@iatsd]

@@MrHyde-wv8wi OK, putting aside the frankly delusional idea that WG franchises boosting companies, yes, you CAN dismiss Claus' suggestions that easily. Why? Because that's how logic works. He proposed 2 solutions. Those 2 solutions won't work for the reasons I've outlined. That's all there is to it. That's how discussion and reasoning work.

[@igorj74]

I totally agree with you Claus. The thing is that WG simply doesn't care. They are not even banning the players who use illegal mods to start with. Most "big" content creators are sponsored by WG, and they simply want to stay quiet about the issue. WOT is broken a long time ago, and I'm afraid that it cannot be fixed. At least not with the WG's mindset that is based solely on greed. What can we do as players? Do not pay a single dime to WG! Cheers!

[@karlpeterson9334]

And then what, have the game vanish and you won't have the game tp play? I prefer WoT to War Thunder, warts and all.

[@jonniiinferno9098]

yep - i havent played a battle - nor spent a dime on WoT - since this cheating came to light and i would have purchased the 200 boxes i really wanted to - because i wanted the tanks - and the gold but - i refrained - so now i have money to spend on something else - perhaps more ammo - or maybe a new AR - or maybe...

[@leftistsarenotpeople]

@@jonniiinferno9098 YESSIR INDEED!!! I took money that was earmarked for WeeGee and threw it at cases of ammo, powder and primers and have been doing so quite a bit recently. I give thanks to WG for being one of the major reasons why, if not the sole reason, that I've retained enough money for components to manufacture 17 thousand rounds right now, mostly 5.56! This isn't even including the SHTF cases of manufactured rounds crammed in the safe. THANK YOU, GREEDY SLAVIC CHUDS!!!

[@Terrorbrot]

@@jonniiinferno9098 so you quit the game because you watch a video about cheaters, that have not only been there the whole time but are also so rare that I've never actually noticed any in 10y of playing. Sounds like this is not about cheating for you

[@cparent81]

I haven't played this game in 2 years now due to the amount of cheating happening. I'm so happy you're on it man!

[@Terrorbrot]

I haven't noticed this in 10y of playing but apparently it's so bad for other people they have to stop playing 😂 (or maybe you're just coping)

[@densonsmith2]

They have 1000's of abandoned accounts so they don't need to worry about counting in. You showed a screen shot a while back of what the cheating company's employee is seeing. They log in with a bunch of platoons and play the one that happened to get in with the cheat platoon. If you had a delay they would still get in just together just as often.

[@niels714]

I agree, i think rigging companies will scale up and then there will be more abandoned platoons in other games.

[@roberthak3695]

correct, they are playing a "numbers game " against the MM. they have hundreds of bot accounts at the same moment in the MM

[@masondegaulle5731]

I agree, it'd probably just mean more plats sitting AFK imo.

[@arcticbunyip5005]

This PROVES you are doing a great job and raising awareness of cheating ..... We notice now and you are the players only advocate!! Thank you and keep up the pressure, maybe something will be done!!!

[@joseluisnd75]

The delay solution looks great, but as Matthew said is very probable that Wargaming could be the first boosting company owner.

[@fiqsik]

its not look great bc u and your friends cant play anymore together. -

[@swarmlacrosse1176]

This would create issues with clanmates trying to drop in together. If they excluded clanmates from the delay rule Im on board.

[@Terrorbrot]

@@swarmlacrosse1176 well you shouldn't be trying to get your clanmates into random games, that's just rigging too

[@fleezy1579]

With only 200-300 players Q’in in to play they can still get in with the way you suggested. I got another solution. There is absolutely no reason that 3x platoon team does 0 damage all 3 Tanks. They can track this. 3 Top tier X tanks should not do 0 Damage. They can track this and act accordingly.

[@Z4ub3rwuerfel]

Nothing against other content creators, but it was a bit sad when Skill mentioned in one of his streams that this kind of content (manipulations) is not really a big problem and it's more about getting attention(aka. clicks). This type of content is important and has absolutely nothing to do with what the creator is doing. It should be clear that this problem must alert some people out there that something is wrong. Any form of fraud should always be looked critically. In my opinion, cheating is something that should not be tolerated under any circumstances. I always appreciate your work claus, for exposing this rigging cheaters.

[@ovic.]

skill and and other content creators 3 mark tanks in 50-70battels... 🤔🤔🤔

[@kevinmckay5052]

i dropped skill for that reason

[@spudpud-T67]

skill just talks for the sake of it.

[@breandandalton8564]

@@kevinmckay5052 Me too.

[@peterholmes2089]

LOL did not even spot the rigging in that game until you pointed it out. Keep up the good fight. Maybe one day WG will care enough to do something.

[@gerry1kelly1]

Wouldn't even need to be 30 seconds as that would really stall the queue for platoons, a few seconds accurate to fractions of a second would do the same job. Great idea Klaus. Happy new year by the way :)

[@vinpalmese7407]

I have to be honest, I thought that these companies just have crazy great players that just play an account for a few days, weeks, know which tanks to play for each mission, to do what they need to do. Had no idea that they do all of this sync dropping, AFK platoons stuff.....WOW I think if you delay the loading into the MM, all they would do is not platoon and try to sync drop as individual and most likely this will increase the number of accounts they will use to sync drop which will increase the number of AFK tanks. The goal is to eliminate the accounts used or that can be potentially used for rigging. 1) Eliminate dormant accounts, its called Purge. Easy to do, send email to the account associated if they do not respond within a specific period of time Purge the account from the system. 2) Account verification. WG must implement a policy to have account verification for all existing and new accounts. Credit Card is best practice. WG can set a rule that for each CC only "X" number of accounts can be created. In addition, the account must be verified annually. 3) Ban accounts with "Zero" stats. To your point how can a player go "X" amount of games with zero or near zero damage, etc. WG can easily detect these accounts and put a temporary ban, send an email requesting confirmation of the account is still used. If they don't reply, purge the account. What could happen here is the account used to rig, if there is a player on the other side as in this video, all they need to do is some damage. Then WG will never be able to detect these types of accounts. However, some of your replays show that no one played a tank, it was just AFK, so these would be easy to detect. Remember that there are players of this game that are what most of us call Red or Tomato players. They are legit players. They play for fun, might be very very young, have some sort of disability, etc. That all said if WG does work on improving their game logic, and improve their account creation and verification model, eventually you will weed out most of these accounts. Will it go away 100%, no, but it can be minimized and make more difficult thus improving game play (quoting Frank Costanza) "For the rest of us"...

[@mickhirsh467]

Claus: I recommend you also speak about that this is not just a NA server issue, but it's been happening on the EU servers too. The believe delaying the MM platoon would work (at a higher tier games). We may see AFK players too, because of it. My option the boosting company would just not platoon and get more people to play accounts to enter the game. I think it would be better for WG to do some data science on the statics of players. Example: finding out which active accounts are low in WN8 and damage for tier 10 tanks. Find out which accounts have spikes to UNICOM status in a very short time. Check the UNICOM account for map missions being complete and MOE complete or spikes. Disable those accounts.

[@victor-mihailpopescu1027]

Someone at WG please hire Claus! We don't need all of the new additions anounced for 2023 or at least by the end of 2023 maybe keep two versions, a new one (I understand you need to develope and seek new players- younger mainly) and a vanilla-like one for OG's and older ppl. GG Claus! Hope u get your 100k ASAP, you totally deserve it all.

[@spudpud-T67]

On the contrary. Someone at WG needs to ban Claus as he is badmouthing their second revenue stream.

[@aginghermit]

I hope you don't take a fall for us Claus You're doing a great service to the community

[@rogerborg]

Oh, I have no doubt that WeeGee's "solution" will be to ban anyone speaking about this.

[@62RVE]

Hi Claus, If a Claus Kellerman commander ever comes along, I'll immediately start playing again in WOT! All your content about cheaters can no longer be a coincidence! So many tier 10 platoons with no damage and zero shots and one tank with high damage in play says it all! I have often played click platoons with my own clan members. The best thing back then was to shoot each other and win the game. I hope you get a response from Wargaming. I will continue to follow your channel with interest. I think you're an ace!

[@questmotion]

Awesome job Claus, WG please address this issue !

[@niccndt9943]

Right on Claus! I too have received the In-Chat boosting company offers - forwarded a ticket WG with screen shot and got the usual BS - "oh we'll deal with it but can't tell you how" reply and the account is still active! I'm beginning to think that somebody in WG is complicit in all this - getting a kick back or something for allowing all these drone accounts to be used in this way, there really is no possible way that the programmers are unaware or unable to track what is happening...

[@admiral_bluebear8626]

I fully agree with you. You are really the only content provider who is speaking out the truth loud. Some days ago Skill released a video where he claimed that cheating and rigging is no issue at all. Nothing could be more wrong. I'm a very casual player with less than 20000 battles. But even I had encountered those rigged matches dozens of times. And Wargaming doesn't seem to care at all.

[@drasticfred]

Skill just made a video to capilatize on an occassion to squeeze as many views and comments as possible. Then made a U turn, such a hypocrite.

[@Terrorbrot]

@@drasticfred and you are very very confused :D

[@tomhirons7475]

Its great you are not giving up on this issue Claus.

[@CihanAkkaya]

Thank you for speaking up about this Claus! Community appreciates your efforts and you are not alone

[@singncarpenter6270]

Claus: proposes a simple solution to end game rigging platoons. WGs' solution: Adds a new map to Frontline and releases new OP premium tanks. Delays buffing out of meta tanks another year. Me: uninstalls wot

[@yssing]

As a sportsman and competitor and gamer, I have a really hard time to find the fun in cheating.

[@6878555]

Great job your doing Claus , sticking up for us Beer League players, You'd think if the other CC's say Quicky Baby, Dez game, and Mr. Skills, would also help you and put in their two cents worth, that maybe something would get resolved. But these CC, seem to fear wargaming and maybe the loss of subscribers and $$$, that they refuse to help. Well maybe if all the cc's work together and help the community ,then maybe results will happen for better gaming. Keep up the great work Claus, we appreciate the hard work your doing!!

[@khirshagk]

Skill has a video basically defending it and QB played a highest damage game which turned out to be a game rigger playing. Check out 16000 DMG

[@drasticfred]

@@khirshagk yeah what a shame, jp e-100 farmed two mauses and one 60tp equals 8.5k worth dmg. If jp e-100 player was a beer league player enemies would auto pen everyshot against her/him.

[@drasticfred]

Skill instantly capitalized (tried to squeeze views and comments out of this) on an occassion when he saw Mr. Kellerman's video got thousands of likes and comments. Which he (skill) multiple times told he dont care about cheating and game rigging, such a hypocrite.

[@Terrorbrot]

@@khirshagk noone is scared of loosing fans or money here, it's simply not that big of a deal that EVERYONE suddenly has to start talking about it. Especially considering it's not a new phenomenon

[@LeifurHakonarson]

The only problem with your suggestion is that it assumes WG actually WANT to do away with this cheating.

[@ghettostreamlabs5724]

I think if you add a delay to the matchmaker the outcome is an explosion of three-man platoon's that are AFK in games.

[@davidmarkham9027]

i agree. Boosting companies will just automatically generate more bot platoons ; it wont cost them much.

[@Kiblyk15]

Exactly my thoughts.

[@richman61]

so what is the answer then? Its something instead of poo-pooing it all together.

[@LilGamingYes]

@@richman61 The answer is wait... It's not because we hear nothing and see nothing that WG isn't actually doing anything. I might be optimistic here, but I'll use another game as an example and hope WG are doing the same. RuneScape has thousands of bots, most of which run for months before getting banned and it isn't because they're not getting reported, flagged and looked at. The devs wait to track their interactions with other accounts and try to ban the mains too, but that's not too successful. WG might be doing the same, however WG can do it more efficiently, if they implement a unique client ID that does nothing but tell the server "account x logged with ID y" they would be able to easily mark multiple cheating accounts effortlessly as well as mark the cheaters real main accounts. As I said though, I may be optimistic. But I rather hope that they're secretly working on something big instead of doing nothing about it.

[@niels714]

Maybe instead of delay, match make based on players recent(?) performance, in case of platoon use the performance of the best player involved. maybe that way they can separate the one being boosted from the donor accounts over time. All zombie donors end up in the same game staring at each other. :) And the common muppet may and up in one of those zombie games and have the score of their life, they may even post it online out of pride. :)

[@undeaddanny4907]

There is a German KZbinr who made a video about exposing cheaters his name is Mailand

[@John-mq9fx]

A debate exists that this is a smaller issue with higher population servers like RU and EU. It is easier to see these rigged games in our NA, smaller population server. Skill4ltu issued a newer vid, stating he clearly does not support this and wishes for people to also send in vids showing these games. I think your suggested solution of the delay into the que for platoons is a very simple solution and would be implemented very easily. The issue is Wargaming's desire to clean things up in this game. I also appreciate your observation about "caring for the community". Shedding light on an issue is far healthier than keeping it in the dark.

[@theflyingirishman4135]

WARGAMING will only address these kinds of matches when they figure out how to hide it better from the public. They’ll say that they’ve banned responsible accounts and put a stop to it, ONLY when they make it harder for us to find.

[@Apowers43]

The delay idea is a great one Claus, but I would make it for all players as cheaters will just play alone and click at the same time, better chance they can get more in together. I have had to wait for over a minute as a single player if playing certain tanks.

[@stweasel]

I'm not so sure about that if you notice when the game starts if platoons are on your team there's always platoons on the other team there are something in their algorithm that causes platoons to match up.. In addition I would rather a boosting company only be able to boost 2000 points as opposed to boosting 7000 or 8000 points. Has less affect on game..coordinating platoons is much easier because one person is controlling..multiple individual accounts would require multiple people to cooperate difficult thing to do especially if the people they are boosting are anonymous. It would make the boosting companies haves a difficult time and reduce their profits.

[@Zeptrio]

@@stweasel platoon having to face a platoon is definitely in the MM but they don't consider the players stats when putting them against one another meaning you can have casual players with meh stats face 3 unicum player just because they are in a platoon this can ruin the experience of the entire team having to face the unicum platoon because there's no one to fight back. if they would just stop that from happening and give a real purpose to the players stats that would not happen anymore.on the other hand though game riggers might find another solution such as just sending more bots and stop using platoons altogether wich would still ruin some games. in wich case scenario an actual mm and not just random bullshit would be neccessary to fix it otherwise proper moderation would be a must. and wargaming don't want to do that , they made it clear. this sucks =/

[@liborkomarek4708]

filled out the satisfaction questionnaire yesterday. And on game rigging, I made a request for a solution at the end of the questionnaire. I haven't received an answer yet.

[@siduspulverem2001]

The solution is to stop the option for multiple instances of the game on one PC. Then block players with no distance traveled/damage/shots from getting in platoons. Then have a channel to get tickets and a system to review and block the involved accounts. The delay option can solve something on a small scale, but they don't do this on a small scale, they use tens of platoons and hundreds of accounts. And btw you deserve a special commander, not like the other CCs. You are the exception that proves the rule. Thank you, we need more honest CCs like you.

[@jonniiinferno9098]

agree 1776% - Claus needs to be a special in-game commander

[@AdrianLParker]

I guess you've never heard of VMs or Docker? Both would be completely transparent to the world of tanks client, so it could not know there are multiple instances on the same physical machine.

[@siduspulverem2001]

@@AdrianLParker i guess you go start 30-40 clients in 30-40 VMs and then come here to give your expertise.

[@AdrianLParker]

@@siduspulverem2001 So you're suggesting people are running 30 - 40 clients? I call BS. But yes, I could automate it. I'm a software developer. And I also have a few years of Linux administration experience.

[@ghettostreamlabs5724]

How about make missions for these reward tanks more easily attainable? My biggest accomplishment in life should not be earning a reward pixel tank. Find out how much these boosting companies charge for the 279E or whatever, and then put the tank behind a paywall for 10-20% lower than whatever their number is - which automatically puts them out of business. I still think Wargaming has partnered with OR created these boosting companies as an additional revenue stream.

[@brankokrajc996]

I think you are right!! and I love black sheeps,they stand out in the crowd!

[@dsduckworth]

Its a good start, but with the current matchmaker, it will try to match similar tanks against each other. If they choose the right tanks, it will still end up putting them against each other because there are not enough platoons using that tank set queuing up within that window of time.

[@sirtogii5216]

Yup, especially if they do it durin goff peak hours. The delay would have to be so long it would make platooning up too cumbersome and the only platoons left would be the booster companies.

[@Phantom_Garage]

You are absolutely correct with your suggestion to random delay platoons when entering the game. Wargaming seems not to care about cheating and they're loosing players because of this. It's a shame and frankly makes no sense why they're not addressing this.

[@daveshanks8205]

Interesting a certain other channel did not publish my comment on the WG collusion. I strongly suspect that channel are being paid by WG to be an apologist for the cheating problem and to claim its on other games, so it must be alright! Very dissapointed with that channel doing worse than ignoring the probably, but covering it up.

[@nson__]

The queue delay idea is good. I personally would would use a random delay (+0.300-3.000s, with a 0.100s stepping), so players clicking at the same time would almost have zero chance to end up in the same game.

[@manajerr]

Good idea however they will just increase the volume of accounts they use at once to bypass the program that you are suggesting. They need to higher moderators to answer more tickets and watch matches.

[@mikedeaton6416]

I watched Skil's videos and was disappointed but not surprised. I imagine his subscribers numbers has lowered. Keep up the pressure, Claus. You are a beacon of hope for this game.

[@cloraformsgood5340]

Great job Claus 👍 I think it's obvious that WG is responsible in some way for the rigging companies.

[@jamesblack946]

WG is a Russian company go figure there douche bags just like in real life.

[@wolfgang.walden.cad.training]

Mailand did at least one video regarding this topic.

[@AndyM_323YYY]

The delay will work at peak times, but at times with low numbers of players the MMs preference for putting a platoon on each team might defeat it.

[@generalpublic3744]

There is usually a long delay getting into games at off peak times, so just increase the variable delay time up to three minutes instead of 30 seconds. WG can do that easily to allow for the number of players in the queue. Just simple math really.

[@Zeptrio]

@@generalpublic3744 people don't want to wait 3 minutes to get into a game and game rigger won't mind waiting cuz it's their moneymaker. i've played game with mm causing 3 minutes if not more wait time to get into battle due to the lack of players in the queue and not it's not fun as player you might simply swap game as a dude trying to make money on behalf of game stats waiting 5 minutes to get a perfect game for a job would be nothing but a small waste of money for the owner said cheating company.imagining how much they are making that would fix anything.but it would ruin some players experience when trying to play at night.

[@GryphonTruesilver]

Claus, I appreciate your dedication to this. My own belief is that it's simply WG making some cash through shell companies. There's no way to hack that many accounts, so they're either selling access or it's them. It's that simple. Their whole meta now is nothing but OP premium and reward tanks. Premium ammo makes playing most heavy tanks worthless. I don't mind SPG's they were designed to prevent camping. They nerfed the sh*t out of them and given them absolutely nothing in return. WoT Blitz actually made major changes to arty that leveled them out but didn't make them totally worthless.

[@michaelleslie2913]

In Russian sporting culture cheating is often expected and an athlete is more likely to get in trouble for getting caught than for the actual cheating offence which is often state sponsored , at the winter Olympics held in Russia they had a system where Russian athletes samples were switched for clean samples so wargaming as a Russian outfit as I have said before is probably profiting and complicit in the cheating.

[@risingphoenixbronco5328]

If you can ban people for unsportsmanlike conduct, like bailing mid battle, you can ban for not doing any damage for multiple games, etc too.

[@bryanohlsson4689]

The other content providers will not call this garbage out. I watched a few videos and what I got from all of these was "all games do it". The examples shown by these other providers was buy gold or leveling up your character and so on. But, these games are not destroying people matches and wasting the gamers time with the garbage. After I called out one of the providers towing the company line, and I am sure others did the same. He created a video to back track a little, while still trying to tow the company line. One thing I have brought up is make match making skill based. Make these tanks available to users at a specific skill level. They would keep newer players interested and willing to spend money. From what I am seeing people come back and a quote from one players in game, "I see WG'ing has not changed shit". Think about the new player getting beat like a baby seal. These players will only hang around so long before they move on.

[@stevewebster5729]

I'd be surprised if WG were NOT behind this. To my mind it's just another revenue stream for them. And on the matter of the other CC's, I'd be surprised if they haven't been warned off the topic. It's OK to have one CC calling them out, that way it doesn't look like a cover up, but they can't afford to have the likes QB, Skill, etc also on their case...

[@sonylionthing8751]

Skill's first vid on the subject was very revealing: "I don't see a problem" and "Claus is a drama queen" but after pressure from the community he did a complete 180. In his second vid he all of sudden goes: "I was misunderstood" and "I will do everything to stop this". Skill is a WG paid actor if you ask me.

[@stevewebster5729]

@@sonylionthing8751 I guess it's hard not to toe the WG line when your income depends on the game, and the level of access to it that a CC has...

[@zedzedski7382]

Highly unlikely as the numbers from this revenue are meaningless to $1.1 Billion they make in revenue annually. Even if there are 1000 accounts yearly that are boosted that pay lets say $600. That's only $600 000. It's nothing next to $1.1 Billion that WG makes from selling loot boxes, premium tanks, accounts, gold, etc. Besides, it also just goes against their business model.

[@Gajnicar101]

Man, there are LITERALLY bots in the game which "activate" only if an enemy enters their renders distance or if teammates bump into them. They are not greyed out or DCed, just like in your previous video where 21 were "AFK". Besides puting the delay thing you talked about in the queue, banning and permenantly erasing inactive accounts for 2 years or so, with temporary and permanant bans to being AFK multiple games and dealing 0 dmg for few games are the key to stoping this game riggings and even preventing anyone who has ever thought about it in the first place. Period. Keep up the good work Claus, I'm sure you will get some answers and draw WG's attention to this arising problem soon. If not theirs, other CCs will react (like Skill few days ago) and then, MAYBE, WG will do something about it, if they're not in it on their own.

[@Hyde_Hill]

About single players not doing the rigging might want to check out that Jagdpanzer e100 video with 15k+ damage. Which is still very suspicious.

[@--_DJ_--]

I looked into that one a little bit. There was at least one rigging account involved, I was having trouble finding the account names in the game file though, but I know what I was doing wrong now.

[@drasticfred]

That guy farmed a maus and 60tp which is very suspicious, and others 279(fu) wz and minatouro get wrecked by their overconfidence.

[@adamstull2436]

WG doesn't care. They are on the way out and want all the money they can get.

[@captricharddee3634]

If platoons can not be banned, have a selection in the game settings that states, 'Play Without Platoons'. Then it will be an individuals choice.

[@markokrsmanovic2562]

Claus, when good people notice something bad happening, it is not OK to keep quiet you have to speak up. Thank you for what you are doing on this channel and your other one as well.

[@HeinzGuderian_]

These are starting to become my favourite series since Biggest Asshole ended.

[@johnh829]

They will never fix it.. Wargaming hates it's player base. Boosting companies are obviously buying unused dormant accounts directly from wargaming. Boosting companies are advertising in game and on KZbin/ twitch channels associated with wargaming Wargaming is allowing this to go on.

[@KevinDedi]

Conspiracy Theory: Boosting companies are WOTs. Explains quite a bit, from in-game messages to fact nothing is being done to stop it. Another revenue stream for WOTs.

[@robertmulliss8529]

Keep at it Claus, the world needs MORE people like you. Moral Hero. Thank You

[@kojotto1]

Claus, you can be the black sheep and still have loyal fans. The way upstream is not easy. great respect for that. I have the impression that others would rather not see the problem than not really see it.

[@castlebravoli7]

I'm not sure how workable an additional MM queue delay will be on the NA server, especially at off-peak times. Even playing at midnight on the east coast (past peak, but not *that* far past it) I've found myself waiting around in the queue for a while as a solo player in mid-high tiers. If people have to wait too long they'll just quit and play something else with their friends; meanwhile, if there's no delay on solo accounts, boosting companies can drop in dozens of those at once and take over matches reliably (think you had an example of this just last week) Before WG monkeys with the matchmaker or anything else I'd like to see an attempt at a crackdown. The obvious targets are: 1) freshly made or suddenly reactivated accounts with sustained, unnaturally poor play (anyone can have a 0 dmg game once in a while, and honest muppets can have more of them than others, but not even the worst muppet is going to have 300 games in a row with no damage or only incidental collision damage), and 2) active accounts with sudden, sharp jumps in performance to super-unicum levels that are sustained for a few weeks before immediately crashing back to their prior average. 1 I'm basically fine with auto-banning; 2 probably requires some kind of real investigation (sometimes people really do go into full-time tryhard mode for a while to achieve a goal before relaxing again), but 2 are the accounts you really want to kill if they're paying off boosting companies because these are the people that have something to lose. You wouldn't spend money to get a reward tank or an MOE on a tank if that account wasn't important to you, and if it's important to you, then maybe you don't risk losing it after hearing stories about so many other accounts getting banned for boosting. Obviously if you could ban the principals behind the boosting companies that would be ideal but I doubt those guys are using their own (personal or company-owned) accounts for any of this, other than maybe some throwaway bullet sponge accounts I"m also coming around to the idea that there could be someone on the inside at WG who's stealing/selling login credentials for dead accounts, because it's hard to explain otherwise where all these 10 year old inactive accounts are coming from. I'm sure some are being bought from the owners directly, but how would you even identify the real owner for most of them? Suspect this might be the reason WG has said nothing if they know this and are embarrassed by it. I *don't* believe WG is secretly profiting off the boosting companies (why not just sell a 279(e) for $300 in the shop instead of roping in some middleman?) but some employee doing it on his own I can believe.

[@thoso1973]

Another idea WG could implement is to nullify all damage done to afk players and perhaps even remove the afk tanks from the battle after 3 minutes of inactivity. The aim is to ensure that all damage, missions etc. done against afk players equals zero.

[@mickleblade]

Hmm, afk tanks blow up after 2 minutes sounds part of the way

[@MrFlipcas]

No money in Fixing this for Wargaming, because most of the players are totally oblivious to it, most players/noobs in world of tanks struggle playing and winning a game, never mind what's going on all over the map, so they do not see what goes on around the map, heck Wargaming lets you close the bloody map WTF

[@Shauma_llama]

Hey Claus. I keep wondering if WG I in on it like you and others have suggested. I also suspect that any action they take to punish someone, they'll punish you to shut you up.

[@petergerrits1234]

It looks like that . How else would they get all those accounts?

[@tbarry4990]

Claus, the biggest mistake of all is assuming that WG gives a sh*t. They DON'T .... and they never will. (At least not until they get hit in the wallet HARD.)

[@CecilSaxon]

I honestly think the boosting companies are run by ex-russian employees that are pissed Wargaming moved out of Belarus causing htem to lose their jobs. With this being the case Wargaming knows they have an insidious problem because these ex-employees are connected to current employees and they are in cahoots.

[@flux-be7tr]

The non reaction of WG on this subject is a deafening silence. How is it possible that so many old accounts are now involved into this rigging business? Where they created on purpose? Or where these accounts 'stolen' from the servers? Or sold? Is WG allowing a certain percentage of these rigged battles? The fact that WG, who likes us to spend money in the game, has no reaction about a possible loss of income is astonishing. These players will not open their wallet to buy premium, they will pay the boosting companies instead. Unbelievable... 🤔 Thank you Claus for continuing to inform us on the subject, great job 👍

[@nathanielfuredi7053]

Why doesn't Wargaming just sell them??? THEY ALREADY ARE...

[@mRS4458]

How do we not know Wargaming might part of this game rigging, after all they control the servers, may some of their employees are doing this rigging

[@micheljavert5923]

It's a good idea and bravo to Klaus for thinking of an elegant solution. I'm not sure if it's possible though. If I'm understanding Klaus properly, what he is describing is a platoon queue that will operate alongside the regular queue to feed platoons into matches on a delay. Now assuming that's what is on his mind, the trick is that it is adding another moving part (which itself will be a nested set of moving parts) into a system of already moving parts, which is generally the sort of thing you do when you're in league with very specific devils. It's not impossible (and I'm not one to crap on another man's ideas when no one else has a better one), but I could see it causing the kinds of nightmare breakages that occur when trying to modify systems.

[@BloodRaven1969]

Platoons are already matched in the que platoon to platoon as best as the MM can manage, so it would likely be adding the delay into the subset of the MM for platoons. An oversimplification, but it should get the idea across.

[@mkallio9475]

JUST OPTION 2, cos in our clan we want to try to drop-in to the same battle with more than one platoon (even if we drop-in to opposite sides its a fun play to fight each other). Dropping-in to opposite sides actually happens much more often (about 80% of the times) than dropping-in to the same side)

[@Straswa]

Great vid Claus, thanks for continuing the fight against these game rigging cheaters.

[@HertogJan70]

I rarely play this game anymore but wanted to do the Christmas thingy, when I logged onto my account I couldn't get in, I had to send a PW reset request to WG before I could access my account again... Am wondering if I'll see my Nick in one of your Vids. WG don't give a flying F about this ... the majority of their income comes from try-hard idiots grinding to that tier, who can't be bothered and have either a single braincell or don't know the difference between their nose and their *behinds*. Still, Thank you for the great content and exposing these dirtbags. Happy New Year in good health to all! HJ

[@Capt_Squid]

I was about to update and play WoT but wanted to see if there was any update on boosters and cheaters, video made me not bother and fully uninstall instead. The game isn’t good enough to make up for these glaring problems and if the devs don’t care neither do I

[@realkekec4028]

WG office guy # 1:Oy,Yuri....that Claus is trying to shut down our partners in boosting companies...what should we do? WG office guy # 2:Ahhh...don't worry Igor,just send him a cookie.... :)

[@arbackhaus]

Great solution Claus. Thanks buddy. Happy new year!

[@tommyngo1093]

good idea, but the matchmaker is already under a lot of pressure for high tier platoons, as they always try to put competing platoons together in the same game to balance the match out. So with the proposed solution of adding a timer in, though it should work theoretically, it will also butchers the queue time or even game balance, leading to even worse team balance, as we all know games are getting faster and faster. So for me, a more complex solution is to make it so all reward tanks as well as marks of excellence can only be achieved through single player random queue. WG can also choose to buff or nerf certain missions for reward tanks accordingly, such as for light tanks for example, since LT players can platoon up with TDs to have a more consistent results.

[@synth4992]

I agree with you 100% except that they don't have to do anything and probably won't do anything because if they are the boosting services as most suspect it is not in their best interests to do so. To WG I extend the middle pixel!.

[@Icebaron2012]

That idea would drastically cut down on the cheating and rigging going on Claus. A problem arises however with the dwindling NA server population - your still going to have games that are rigged, insufficient sustain. It would take an active approach mixed with your que delay - ID fake accounts,ban them, ban the buyers account (s) and update the spaghetti code as well. I no longer play WoT because of the horrible RNG, the powercrept lines, the outrageous pay to win premium tanks and many more reasons.

[@otakarkuby3926]

Great work Claus , I recon WOT someone in there has back handers for dormant accounts given to these game riggers.

[@zipfry]

I think an important question that could also be asked is, How do these boosting companies get hold of so many dead accounts? I understand that some people sell their accounts but to purchases that account is against the rules. (Not that these companies follow the rules anyways). Who has the folder of dead accounts .. oh .. wait .. that would be War Gaming. Maybe they do have a finger in the pie of boosting after all. A troubling thought. I do hope this issue sees some light and the situation is improved. Thank you Mr Claus for your efforts. Cheers.

[@victorduffy4459]

Since WG is Belarusian, cheating is a way of life, not a problem to be solved.

[@VentureNW]

Your solution may work on the EU servers Claus... but all a boosting company would need to do on NA (the 1 server), is to play late at night. NA is dying and there are barely anyone on, late at night. You could wait 2 minutes and still be in the same game, for tier 10. But - WG is all in on turning the head. The only way to truly fix this would be to perma-ban them, on the 1st offense. Their ban policy is shit. Skill would be a voice... but he continually says he doesn't care - I am pretty sure he will care when his source of income dries up because this game will die on this sword.

[@ernieandburt503]

Traditionally I spend approx $350.00 at Christmas for my yearly top up of gold and premium days. This year I spent $0.00. I want some of those elite tanks too but I am not good enough to earn them. Guess I have to live with that. I will still play but I will not "PAY". Not until this is acknowledged and fixed. Thanks Claus. Keep up the good work. Cheers