Warhammer 40K: Space Marine 2 - PS5 Pro Tech Review - A Success for PSSR + Performance Boosts!

[@WardDallas]

It’s a good implementation because they upped the base resolution to upscale rather than trying to upscale 480p to 4k.

[@georgepaul1613]

100%. Wonder how this compares to DLDSR.

[@darkmaster539]

@@WardDallas which should honestly be the norm.

[@lawnmanGman]

its a ps5 pro not a 4060 with a 128bit bus

[@georgepaul1613]

@@lawnmanGman what bus width does the ps5 pro GPU have?

[@darkmaster539]

@lawnmanGman it's more powerful, as seen here and other titles. Base resolution going up makes upscaling easier.

[@skyfernandes8610]

So I guess PSSR works when the devs take their time to implement it right

[@mikesaintjulesmusic]

Of course. And if they have the latest version of PSSR/SDK implementation.

[@apokalip6]

Más bien es solo por no tener Ray tracing.....

[@skyfernandes8610]

​@@apokalip6ratchet and clank has raytracing and its implementation is also superb :)

[@lawnmanGman]

@@skyfernandes8610 and spiderman 2, the only rt ive seen without noisy artifacts or any smears (ray reconstruction temporal smudge)

[@lilbabypimp3232]

I’d honestly say most implementations of PSSR have been good. There’s only like 5 games I can think of that have had serious issues and Digital Foundry probably focused on the bad implementations so developers would address them.

[@EniifeAjayi]

Who would have guessed that when pssr is used properly it actually works well

[@yoyoyoyoyoyo6]

It’s still useless

[@EniifeAjayi]

@ how is it useless

[@koobus9106]

@@yoyoyoyoyoyo6 yea tell us how?

[@stranger3731]

Is it PSSR, though, or is it just the fact that the raw power of the PS5 Pro allowed for an increase in base resolution? Of course, upscaling from a higher resolution will look sharper.

[@jollama]

@@yoyoyoyoyoyo6Ratioed

[@forrandomsites3336]

Wow, who would've thought that upscaling from no less than 1080p would yield a better picture quality. These devs seriously think sub 1080p is a reasonable way to use methods like fsr, dlss and even pssr would be a good idea. It's just way too little pixel information.

[@alvinamana1459]

Sony dev are paid to be lazy for the fanboys who don't care what Sony gives them 😂

[@lawnmanGman]

@@alvinamana1459 "looks at spiderman 2" huh?

[@amnril]

Nice to see PSSR working well here, thats a sizeable improvement to visual quality in the 60fps mode. Now, all the game needs is a 40fps mode which would be my preference.

[@shakecapo]

A 40fps mode with the quality mode res would be the dream.

[@stephenearly4057]

Pro patch finally released so I finally bought the game. Pretty amazing game honestly

[@DetroitEnki]

Its one of my top 3 games this year. SM2 Reminds me of playing Gears of War back in the day. Brutal simple fun.

[@SotNist]

Same. And it had a discount. The trial was amazing, instantly hooked.

[@LegacyRap7777]

Next on my list!

[@EternalNightingale]

Same bro got it on Black Friday fire game on PS5 pro

[@YouTubeAccount-i4m]

lol pirated it for free on pc launch day, playing at 150fps 1440p Native😂

[@shugazi1]

PS5 Pro PSSR will only get better from now on when game comes out with the tech supported and optimized.

[@stranger3731]

Yeah. Will prepare foundation for ps6

[@SpliffyHusk]

Yes, just not a good reason to upgrade, three years before we see the next gen console. With how long game cycles are, I don’t know how many games will fully utilize this tech.

[@BrooklynBornn]

@@SpliffyHuskjust say you can’t afford it man . I had the original ps5 this one is way way better lol . Big upgrade … if that’s the case it wasn’t worth the upgrade for me from a 3080 to a 4080 . Come on man

[@fall-neckthetallneck2977]

​@@SpliffyHusk There's already 50 at launch, with 90 confirmed games to use it so far. It's going to be a very widespread adoption rate before the ps6 even gets announced.

[@HorseheadNebula85]

Dang, looks like FF7 Rebirth levels of image clarity improvement. Might have to pick this one up.

[@kyleperry650]

Still a sluggish mess once there's a crowd of enemies

[@pietroscarpa2384]

VRR and PSSR save this game for current gen consoles. I'm quite happy with my ps5 pro.

[@jdez095]

The game looks incredible on the P5pro

[@Malique8798]

One of the first games to show the Series X cpu's higher clocks having a tangible benefit

[@dsidebotham]

Wouldn't really say that as ps5 pro internal resolution ia higher than series x. Sereis x is 720p-1080p while ps5 pro is 1080p-1440p a d the pro still comes out on top in battle as Tom says. The higher base resolution on ps5 pro doesn't mean anything about the cpu being better in series x as the ps5 pro is rendering higher base resolution whole still coming oit om top during battle. So not the flex you think it is. Not a like for like. Plus with vrr is a non issue.

[@Malique8798]

@ The base PS5 pre & post patch were shown in the video...

[@dsidebotham]

You talking about base ps5 vs series x?

[@lawnmanGman]

the internal clock is wayyy higher, and 2ms of the budget is used for pssr so no cpu cycles, fsr uses a tonne of cpu as it doesnt use matrix calcs it uses divers operators :)

[@dsidebotham]

@lawnmanGman ok, and your point? Fsr is garbage as seen in this video. Ps5 pro also has up to a 10fps gain during battle. Who cares how they do it the image quality is 10 times better on pro and with vrr this stuff is a non issue. Ps5 pro is a micj mkre capable machine, gsmes going forward will be far superior than the series x versions.

[@TempleofShaolin]

This game, FF Rebirth, Alan wake 2, wukong see huge improvements on the pro

[@fugitive6549]

not really. Still CPU limited.

[@SimonStewart75]

@@fugitive6549 Lol

[@TempleofShaolin]

not really when you can count on one hand new games that run at 30fps only on ps5. The pro was made to fix image quality and help prepare for PS6.

[@TkoddaLee]

@@TempleofShaolinno it to test u guys if u wanna spend $1000 for the ps6

[@zerosam5541]

@@TkoddaLee then they have to sell thier ps5 to ps4 user

[@SparkMojo]

Nice to see Tom pop up with an occasional video. He always does a great job.

[@nickxcore74]

Just ordered Space Marine 2 last night so I’m looking forward to see what this looks like on the Pro.

[@BigRedLeg]

this game is fuckin awesome

[@timholloway8821]

Already played on my ps5, but on my pro it is much better than before. Looks a lot cleaner.

[@andrewcoehoorn6505]

"When you're outside, it's called the ground." - Ron Swanson

[@HelveticaBold1]

DF is the gift that keeps on giving!

[@atomickaiser1934]

THE EMPEROR IS PLEASED! Might actually consider this for ps5 now. Wukong got a great upgrade too can't wait to see that video.

[@iCHRIS-x]

Xbox is dead LOL

[@djbpresents9584]

No it didn't wukong is still pure dog crap and always will be at 60fps as that's only mode that matters, it's still using framegen at 30fps and will always feel and look terrible until they actually update base frame rate in that mode, they added a new 40fps balanced mode but did on base ps5 as well so no pro patch didn't help wukong whatsoever sadly

[@FelipeMach]

@djbpresents9584 there's a huge difference between 40fps versions from base PS5 and Pro regarding resolution and image quality. On base, balanced mode is way more blurry them performance mode.

[@djbpresents9584]

@FelipeMach not as bad after patch doesn't matter still terrible running and looking game in motion, need up the fps to least 50 then framegen to 60 in performnace mode

[@iCHRIS-x]

@ the balance mode runs much better on the pro than the normal version , and yeah the performance mode on both console is a nightmare

[@timytimeerased]

Obviously DF is gonna focus on some blips below 48fps and the infamous flamethrower section which goes full load on the CPU, but frankly, having played 100% on PS5 and then on Pro after the patch, this is totally night and day, and with VRR, it feels 99% of the time fluid and over all, it LOOKS FINALLY GREAT on performance/speed mode. Its a HUGE upgrade

[@infernaltim]

Should they ignore it?

[@12coco100]

@@infernaltim People get the wrong idea when you see the worst performance the game has to offer when most of the time it's smooth. I think they should add those parts in so we can see how bad the performance can get. But when John does his videos he points out that the game is smooth most of the time, if it is of course.

[@infernaltim]

@@12coco100 Just seems like OP thought they shouldn't show where the performance sucks. It was pretty straightforward in the video.

[@ambro2786]

It’s their literal job? Why wouldn’t they call it out

[@fugitive6549]

stop the cap. Those dips are terrible. That awful CPU is gonna hold the pro back. You are a typical console gamer who has idea what gaming at smooth fps feels like.

[@ajdaniel8128]

Now thats a huge difference visually speaking

[@HermitPurple78]

There is a difference from day at night in terms of visual quality between performance and quality mode. Honestly switching from quality to performance mode on a 65-inch OLED TV is almost like switching in quality terms from the same game in PS5 version to another in the PS4 version(textures, shadows, lights,etc).

[@ELpeaceonearth]

Just get a pc at that point that's what my brother in law did he was gonna get the pro and said I'll just spend another 700 and get a ps6 equivalent pc he already had a good oled tv during blk Friday got a 2500 pc for 1500$ at microcenter

[@TheEffectOfMass]

I can confirm. I have a 55 inch OLED TV. i generally like to play in Quality mode, but SM2 looks so much better in performance. I'm also really happy to hear that the PS5 pro patch is a good one.

[@stanislavkimov2779]

@@ELpeaceonearth yeah, playing on 4K TV with upscaled 1080p doesn't sound great. But GPUs are overpriced now. 8800XT early next year may be a good deal though.

[@eSKAone-]

There is a difference between day and night.

[@ELpeaceonearth]

@stanislavkimov2779 bro blk Friday deals were crazy my brother in law got 1k off a 4070ti pc built by micro center there pre builds he's good for 4yrs I still have a 3080 5700x3d I'm good for 1-2yrs it gas 10gb of gddr6x

[@SteamPunk96]

It's interesting, clearly there are standout PSSR implementations but what seems most common is that games with bad image quality fair very well with PSSR, and games that already had fine image quality come out worse, could it be mandated PSSR support or something else?

[@Poteven]

THE EMPEROR PROTECTS BROTHA!

[@oteliadavid7507]

This inspired me. Thanks for the push!

[@MrRiceGuy95]

Curious how this compares to the Series X considering from a visual standpoint its not comparable to SX. I own both versions and the Series X version on Speed mode looks a LOT better sith better FPS than the base PS5

[@dsidebotham]

I have the series x and ps5 pro. It's much cleaner on ps5 pro and runs better. Ps5 pro is a much better beefier machine thsn series x so it's expected. I tested this when the patch first came out for pro and went back tonseries x to see and it's a pretty big jump in visual quality that's easily noticeable going back and fourth.

[@lawnmanGman]

i played the trial on the pro and have it on sx, the image is just WAY cleaner, like 2x maybe 3

[@karmig]

​@@dsidebotham I dunno if you jsve a special version, because I dont see that. I have both version and borrowed the ps5 version and this does not worth to pay 700 against 500.

[@neolid1051]

@dsidebotham stop lying.

[@dsidebotham]

@neolid1051 I'm not lying lol did you watch the video? If you go back to the og df comparison video the ps5 and series x are the same visually. In nthis video he says the Image quality is massive improvement on the pro vs base ps5 ( base ps5 and series x Image quality is the exact same per the OG analysis of space marine 2) cope harder mate! Also I've seen this myself as I have both.

[@Raupenmann]

Game runs good enough for me now. Hope they increase the fidelity a bit more in performance mode.

[@ramiyohay7286]

To get good results from the current pssr version you need two things : 1. Minimum internal resolution of 1080. Lower than that and the pssr struggles 2. Devs who know how to implement the pro features

[@USmanPakiGamingZone]

Hi there! Quick question: I noticed you’ve commented on Warhammer 40K Space Marines-great game, by the way! Just curious about your thoughts on this: Currently, out of 80+ PS5 Pro-enhanced games, only about 5 are reported to have worse image quality with their enhanced patches. Who do you think is at fault here? Is it the PS5 Pro hardware, the PSSR (PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution) tech, or the game developers themselves? Would love to hear your perspective!

[@Shiroe-_-]

It's definitely more on the game developer itself. I mean, just look at the dlss implementation on pc already. Developers ship with an outdated version of the upscaler, and sometimes even if it's the latest sometimes their implementation still sucks than other Devs.

[@Shiroe-_-]

This might be a combination of their games that does not suit upscaling tech in general, or their custom engines that further complicates the upscaling implementation.

[@SimonStewart75]

It's almost like implementation is what matters.

[@Yates827]

NO! AT ALMOST $1000, NO DISC DRIVE, NO STAND, NO HEATED LEATHER SEATS, PS5 PRO SHOULD AUTOMATICALLY PATCH ALL MY GAMES TO LOCKED 8K/240!!! THIS IS AN OUTRAAAAAAAGE 🤭

[@WayStedYou]

Or upscaling from 1080p is better than from 720p

[@SimonStewart75]

@@Yates827 You had me in the first half.

[@fugitive6549]

@@SimonStewart75 bro. Stop the glaze. The performance still sucks due to the same awful CPU.

[@SimonStewart75]

@@fugitive6549 Lol.

[@yeahiknow9361]

All of DF is on Bluesky now huh? Good to know.

[@jimbob8992]

What could a soul like this be capable of.......

[@Pruflas-Watts]

I wish more devs would offer a dedicated 40fps / hz mode for more games that pushed resolution harder. I'm absolutely fine with 1440p as a base resolution. I'm not ok with 720p.

[@alvinamana1459]

That's disgusting it should be 60 fps max. Why would you want a shit 40 fps mode that will probably dip into 30s or even high 20s? They promised you guys 60 fps an you wanna settle for 40 in a game like this?

[@Pruflas-Watts]

@alvinamana1459 40 fps really isn't the bad at all honestly. I've tried it on some games that actually lock to 40 fps with no deviations over a 120hz output and it's pretty phenomenal. I'll take it over 60 fps 720p. I can't stomach low resolutions anymore.

[@alexrivera633]

40 fps is fine when it’s the bare minimum but 60 fps should be the standard

[@ismailh001]

So as we stand, we have seen really great pssr implementation in custom made engines, and the main problem seems to be Unreal Engine and its lumen implementation.

[@mwdavis77]

Waited for the patch to play this on the Pro, and it looked great and ran wonderful.

[@MohammedRyad-gs5rt]

Space marine looks amazing on my ps5 pro

[@turbotrup96]

ok, bot

[@abrahamlincoln3181]

You can'tstate that SeriesX has an advantage when standing still and looking around, and then 'put aside' the fact that the game runs better on the PS5 Pro than the Series X during actual gameplay, that seems to imply bias.

[@alexisestrada9188]

These videos are great at breaking down all the changes so you can better understand it but let me tell you something seeing it for yourself, it's even more impressive.

[@teffhk]

Hope every pro enhanced game is as good as this, would make ps5 pro totally worth it.

[@AbysmalEnd]

it already is dude. every game I've played other than silent hill is amazing. especially the Wukong patch from last week.

[@bdgrey]

@@AbysmalEnd Exactly. Black Myth Wukong is great on PS5 Pro. It's unplayable on the base console b/c they had to implement frame generation in order to get the Performance mode to run at 60fps, but that's gone now.

[@fugitive6549]

still performs worse than series x because of the CPU.

[@rashaddow]

​@fugitive6549 😅 no it doesn't and cpu is not heavy in most games.

[@stanislavkimov2779]

@@AbysmalEnd Remnant 2 has no patch and is still very blurry. Doom Eternal also has no Pro patch. Same as Cyberpunk. Doom is PS4 only, so no point of PS5 Pro or even base one here. Compared to PC where you can just up the settings on better HW, PS5 Pro feels disappointing. But the games that do support it are good, yes. It's 50/50.

[@TheInfinityMaster1]

Are you guys testing the *new PS5 Pro patch for Black Myth Wukong?* I'm seriously waiting for that video before deciding to buy it or not.

[@TheSurfheart]

1080p base res on Pro what a time we live in!

[@CJP.-pq3kr]

You don’t know how picture quality in games works these days. Embarrassing.

[@dsidebotham]

720p base res o. Series x lol😂😢😂

[@vectoralphaSec]

That is massive improvement. Its so much clearer.

[@MariCrossman-jo7qb]

Spot on analysis. Thanks for teaching!

[@bionicwolf3342]

I’ll be buying now that the patch is out, and it’s good.

[@nitehawk-cg6jb]

Take notes Ubisoft, EA and Bloober Team. This is a PROPER pssr implementation. Not the garbage you released with no QA.

[@USmanPakiGamingZone]

Hi there! Quick question: I noticed you’ve commented on Warhammer 40K Space Marines-great game, by the way! Just curious about your thoughts on this: Currently, out of 80+ PS5 Pro-enhanced games, only about 5 are reported to have worse image quality with their enhanced patches. Who do you think is at fault here? Is it the PS5 Pro hardware, the PSSR (PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution) tech, or the game developers themselves? Would love to hear your perspective!

[@nitehawk-cg6jb]

@USmanPakiGamingZone I think it's ultimately up to the developers. Regardless if it's the hardware, sdk or the game engine. Sony doesn't force them to release patches that look and perform worse than their base ps5 versions. This should of been picked up by any type of quality assurance. Better to let the game run under game boost and just get better frames than release a patch that makes your game worse.

[@USmanPakiGamingZone]

@@nitehawk-cg6jb so the problem is not PSSR , it's the developers then.... Got it

[@thanksbetotap]

I’m just glad both consoles now have a great version of the game! Ideal for future-proofing.

[@thorocomments]

MUCH better! Visually at least. Really wish there was a better than 10% CPU speed boost. May invest in the Pro. MAYBE.

[@fugitive6549]

no, there's barely 10% increase though. Clock speed increase doesn't linearly translate to gaming performance but I guess console fanboys don't really know about these stuff cause they decide to play on consoles.

[@FJTabb]

Bro if you thought the game looked good through a compressed KZbin video.....seeing the pro in action is something else!

[@thorocomments]

@@fugitive6549 son, you don’t know me nor do you know what I know. I own a PS5 a Gaming PC and an Ally. I’ve been playing PC games since the early 90’s.

[@froggydarren]

​@@thorocommentshe's posted the same comment on mutiple posts, mental health issues clearly 🤣

[@karmig]

Will you invest 700 dollars for 4 more fps?

[@nicholasrockstroh6920]

Kinda sad there isn't a comparison between PSSR upscaling 1080p-1440p to 4K on PS5 Pro vs FSR 2/DLSS 3 upscaling 1080p-1440p to 4K on PC. I realize that would have been a lot of extra work, so I understand why it's not there, but I'm curious what the image quality difference is next to a modern PC.

[@LianCasablacks]

It's such a night and day upgrade. From unplayable to absolutely stunning. I have a 4070 S pc and I have to look hard to find a difference between the pro and PC. And people keep hating on the Pro lol

[@jatooayush3523]

Cap

[@BillBuckingham]

Framerate?

[@LianCasablacks]

@@BillBuckingham 60 except for a mission where at some point it drops to high 40s but that mission drops in my pc aswell.

[@BillBuckingham]

@@LianCasablacks Are you using DLSS or FrameGen? I have a 4080 Super and play it native with FrameGen at either 4K on my LG C1 or 1440p on my Gaming Monitor. The game is massively CPU intensive and benefits from the extra graphics tech to do some of the heavy lifting. I'm glad they got the game running reasonably well on the Pro. It really is an absolute banger of a game.

[@LianCasablacks]

@@BillBuckingham I'm using DLSS quality but no frame gen, I try to never use frame gen tech because I've found it makes a lot of games stuttery, but might try to see how it behaves here. Agree, it's such a fun and visualy stunning game I'm glad pro owners get to play the game the way it's supposed to look.

[@KarnageKollectibles]

It's stunning on PS5 Pro now. On base PS5 it looked super blurry in performance mode and now it looks like the quality mode (super sharp) but runs silky smooth. I gotta admit I didn't expect it from this game b/c these devs didn't even have Ultrawide ready for launch so I told myself no shot they will have a Pro mode. I was proven very very wrong.

[@alvinamana1459]

Well when you play on 120hz TV compared to a 60hz TV that will happen regardless.

[@StillWeRide]

yeah i booted it up and its great! looks amazing

[@jacksonpalacios640]

Having the same cpu as the base model is what makes pro not worthy for me, nonetheless the difference in image clarity here is huge

[@Shieftain]

Yeah, and based on some napkin math, unfortunately it would take a large clock bump to keep the FPS range comfortably in the VRR window (something like nearly 4.3GHz assuming best case scenario of linear performance increase with increase in frequency). Well, look at the bright side, at least the PS6's processor should theoretically feel like a generational upgrade over the PS5 pro. I'm thinking almost twice as fast in an optimistic scenario.

[@froggydarren]

@@jacksonpalacios640 change the cpu it's not longer a ps5 🤷 you gain but you lose backwards compatibility with ps5 software

[@lordspalse0062]

@@froggydarrenThat is not an excuse for abysmal cpu clock improvements

[@darkmaster539]

This looks like a win for the Pro that shows what PSSR can do, but FFS why did they call it "speed mode". lol

[@12coco100]

look how fast it goes!

[@fugitive6549]

nah, pro sucks. That CPU stinks. It's actually much worse than a ryzen 5 3600.

[@darkmaster539]

@@fugitive6549 where can I buy a ps5 with a 3600?

[@Optim121]

It's called a PC and you don't have to beg for pro patches that way ​@darkmaster539

[@TheUncleSpiderX]

Swear that made me so mad plus it doesn’t even give a description

[@PantherCrane]

Let’s have a showdown between XBSX and PS5 Pro?! 👍🏿💯

[@dsidebotham]

There would be no comparison. Comparing base ps5 is basically the same thing. It's a blurry mess on series x.

[@PantherCrane]

@ That’s what the video says?

[@dsidebotham]

@@PantherCrane I have the series x version as well. I did comparisons the day the patch came out and the series x version is a blurry mess, it's fsr2.

[@PantherCrane]

@ Liar!

[@GhoulSolo___]

I feel like you should know what would win that one

[@aj-tg]

You can't say the image clarity gain is purely from PSSR when FSR2 on the base console has a lower resolution to work with.

[@TheOldest]

Exactly, that's why the clarity mode barely had in any difference in image quality in the comparison.

[@lesserlogic9977]

He says that in the video

[@zallapo66]

Great to see we're now seeing much better PSSR implementation with third party titles. Black Myth Wukong, Alan Wake II and now Space Marines. We're getting what we promised :)

[@mikhailvaishnav2583]

I was halfway through the campaign on the base PS5 until my Pro arrived. Started again from the top and holy smokes! What a massive difference in image quality! And in terms of performance, I know that DF are simply doing their jobs to scrutinise and report on minor frame drops but when you’re actually playing and have a VRR display, it feels buttery smooth and noticeably better than the base system. I’m thrilled with my purchase and can’t wait to see what developers do with PSSR in the future.

[@benozkleenex]

Damn image quality is a lot better

[@loutronz4708]

Im looking forward to finishing this game with this update on the Pro. I do wish Thomas could have devoted a bit of time on the multiplayer. I will have to see for myself. Happy Holidays!

[@urazoktay7940]

Amazing video, great analysis, thank you Digital Foundry.

[@MetsukiR]

This one is up there with FF 7 R for the biggest difference in clarity, imo.

[@broncofun5636]

I needed this video! Thank you.

[@richshrimp7680]

A locked 40 fps at locked 1440p upscaled to 4k would have been the best option.

[@chasethechosenone8478]

I heavily disagree a game like this nahh 40fps isn’t a good option.

[@richshrimp7680]

@chasethechosenone8478 well regardless of how you feel, why not have it in as a 3rd option? Let people choose what they feel is best. More options to choose from is always best

[@worlds_greatest_detective6667]

I don’t want to sound rude but 30 and 40fps is just trash. 60 should be the bare minimum.

[@richshrimp7680]

@worlds_greatest_detective6667 the 60 option they have is good. But a 40 would have been a nice to have option for a locked fps mode

[@v1kt0u5]

@@worlds_greatest_detective6667 agree, but at least 40 is 1.33x of 30, so still noticeably better

[@JennyBonBon]

Will you be looking at the PS5 Pro enhancements for Zenless Zone Zero? They added raytracing among other things in the most recent patch and I'm really curious to know how it affects performance!

[@USmanPakiGamingZone]

Hi there! Quick question to all of you: I noticed you’ve commented on Warhammer 40K Space Marines-great game, by the way! Just curious about your thoughts on this: Currently, out of 80+ PS5 Pro-enhanced games, only about 5 are reported to have worse image quality with their enhanced patches. Who do you think is at fault here? Is it the PS5 Pro hardware, the PSSR (PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution) tech, or the game developers themselves? Would love to hear your perspective!

[@samgee500]

The main culprit here is that versions of pssr are typically linked to specific versions of game engines. So if you started developing your game on Unreal 5.1 it might require more than just a checkbox to get the latest pssr running. The task of updating pssr being left up to the developers is a mistake. Once the developer has chosen to implement pssr it should be on Sony to keep it updated. Not doing so affects their brand image. It's their proprietary technology so it should be on them to make sure it works properly. Nvidia understood this at the beginning of dlss and would actually send engineers over to help developers implement it correctly. Of course on PC updating dlss is as easy as swapping out a dll file but since you can't do that on a PlayStation the burden should be on Sony themselves to update it, not the developers since they don't even do that on PC half the time.

[@USmanPakiGamingZone]

@samgee500 Agreed. Spot on. But I believe with time, things will improve, what do you think?

[@USECXJ13]

I like how I didn’t even know the game got the pro update and when I turned the game on I go why does this look so much better?

[@AnthonyTripoli]

Would like to see visual comparison of pro speed mode vs pro quality mode

[@The_Meowjesty]

That's a decent improvement but I'd love to see a 40fps mode added.

[@jbizman7]

I’ve compared a couple games btw pro and x/s with pro blowing some x/s games away.. but with Space marines I don’t see a major blow out of the pro over x/s?!? What’s going on here??

[@AlexanTheMan]

This might be the best implementation of PSSR on a third party title yet, and I say that as a detractor of the Pro.

[@pool842]

Waited to play this till the pro patch very good choice on my part lol

[@Emulator_Crossing]

This gen cpu aged faster then i thought, as we see games like this are really heavy on the cpu... even though it was a big improvement vs the ps4 era weak tablet cpu (still amazing how devs could make game on it like rdr 2, last of us 2, god war games, order 1886, infamous, horizon...)

[@devilstrider289]

Got this on the series X because of how much better it ran compared to the base PS5 version.

[@AKSBSU]

I haven't played any game in this series but just decided to pick it up. I'll be trying it out on a new 65" LG G4 and S95TR soundbar system when I get back from holiday vacation.

[@dinkomalinko8585]

‘Speed’ mode.. like wtf devs. Ya ever heard of ‘Performance’ mode- keep the naming convention the same cmon!

[@brockgundich]

Performance!? What is this a play?! No brother the emperor demands SPEED!

[@marklarz4399]

Fast mode

[@Fellipe2k5]

Turbo Alpha Zero Plus X mode

[@v1kt0u5]

@@Fellipe2k5 Okay

[@BTMaverick707]

Better off spending more on the PC and end up with a far better ecosystem and not over paying for an Overpriced playstation ecosystem

[@PersianGamer36]

10% fps increase not worth

[@Anayo-gk8ow]

I can actually see the difference in this one.

[@jorismak]

Any testing done on its PvE mode? On PC the frame rates there are much worse than single play.

[@TheIndulgers]

DF. Do Helldivers 2 on super helldive with 4 players and being the host machine.

[@IanMichael87]

Now that Black Myth Wukong and Warhammer released their pro patches I’m gonna say it’s worth the upgrade. Black Myth Wukong alone is a huge improvement from the base ps5. It was almost unplayable on the base. But I’m really enjoying the enhanced visuals and the higher frame the pro version offers.

[@mrrobot4840]

Why can’t they use pssr on base ps5?

[@GhoulSolo___]

It doesn't have it

[@davidrogers5443]

Time to purchase… quality mode at 30fps ok for this game? Still can’t make my mind up

[@antoniorapalo2352]

I have two ps5, regular and pro. Ill install this game on both and see if I can tell any differences

[@n.i.gcode_name_nation3971]

720-1080p what year are we in 2012?

[@redfirefox3568]

games were 30fps back then.

[@shakecapo]

Notice how Tom correctly tells you the game looking better while moving is what matters most? If this were Oliver he would tell you standing still is what matters most..like in his Darktide review. Which was baffling.

[@extofer]

You guys going to do a video on Marvel Rivals? It says ps5 pro enhanced. Would like to see how it stacks against the other versions.

[@corey_massey]

I cannot be the only person who noticed that in the analysis of Star Wars: Jedi Survivor, Star Wars Outlaws, Avatar, Silent Hill 2 or Alan Wake 2 that PSSR always looked better in motion than FSR and that the difference between this game and those that i just mentioned is in the way DF has decribed the game and the upgrade. Instead of focusing on the stability of the game in still images, in this game they are looking at the sharpness of the image in motion which produces a noticeably clearer picture than in still captures. Additionally rather than talking specifically about the internal resolution of the game they are focused more on the output resolution which is the resolution the gamer sees when they are actually playing the game. The result is that instead of coming to a conclusion that the game looks worst on PS5 pro... despite having a higher output resolution, more graphic effects and in some cases RT over the base PS5, the outcome is more in line with what actual owners of the PS5 pro experience which is a game that generally looks better and runs better than the base PS5 across the board. I dare anyone to go back and listen to those videos of those games and you'll see that in each of those games they mention that the game looks better in motion in a passing statement before they are right back to comparing still images, whereas here they are focused on what the game looks like while actually playing the game. Food for thought on how the power of suggestion vhanges the context of the discussion on this hardware

[@monochrony]

Here's me anxiously awaiting a video that is about The Thing or Soul Reaver, not another PS5 Pro Patch video

[@sizablekoala6879]

This is the kinda of upgrade I would love to see in other games like FF16.

[@queenbeeader]

The cpu in the PS5 Pro is to blame for these drops. It is essentially the same CPU in the base PS5 with a slight upclock which isn't enough to fully mitigate issues for games like this.

[@Sator810]

That is actually the best upgrade I have seen so far. Most others leaves me unsure if I could spot a difference at all.

[@Farris214]

Seems like the Series X is a better value when you consider the Pro costs $300 more

[@elwingy]

So Oliver a few days ago having a totally different opinion was a previous patch or something?

[@dsidebotham]

Oliver was talking about darktide not space marine.

[@elwingy]

@ aha thanks for the clarification

[@lochkopf5665]

FSR 3.0 or 3.1 vs PSSR is more interesting, why is this not updated for more games? then the picture would certainly not look so blurry on the normal ps5 + more fps

[@WayStedYou]

Comparing 720p unscaled with fsr vs 1080p upscsled with pssr

[@RickyB686]

not surprising that the frames drop during chaotic times - it's a CPU heavy game. I played on PC with a 14600k and it was using 30-40% the whole campaign.

[@XhoowieX]

So Sabre did some of the best downgrading of games (eg Witcher 3 on Switch) and now upgrading too. They must be some great devs.

[@Spencerwalker21]

They even stated they're going to steam deck verified off topic but cool love devs that optimize there games for low and high end hardware

[@nich327]

How can this be considered a success (ps5 pro)? The performance mode has terrible washed out textures. At the point that it made me think of a bad mipmap selection setup (that did not take into account the target resolution) because in quality mode you can see the proper texel density

[@colaboytje]

The question if it is a solid 60fps on pro, was answered while asking the question. :-)

[@vegetarey]

native 720p in PS5? and 1080p in PS5 Pro? at 35 FPS lol

[@videogamecapivara]

Absolutely loved this patch, it's a HUGE improvement.

[@nerdybrothers]

How does Pro image quality compares to Series X? Would this still be the preferred version even with a more consistent frame rate on Xbox? Got both systems so just looking for the better experience.

[@dsidebotham]

@nerdybrothers seeeis x is a Vaseline smear mess over pro. Pro is night and day. Of yoingknwatch the original space marine 2 video, series x and ps5 image quality are on par (meaning pro is a massive upgrade over the series x version) and dis you watch the video where Tom says the pro version runs higher fps when in battle ? 😆 it does NOT have a mkre consoste t frame rate overall. Some scenes? Yes but during battle and gsmeplay ps pro tends to come out mostly on top. Also ps5 pro has a higher base resolution than series x while still outperforming the series x in fps in most cases.

[@nerdybrothers]

@dsidebotham awesome! Thanks man. Have both systems and wanted to know which version to get. Still on sale so going for the Pro. Thanks again.

[@JuuxieyRuovlt]

If you prefer a good quality and high fps I would suggest to buy a PC instead.

[@dsidebotham]

@JuuxieyRuovlt I dunno if I can agree with you. Even Alex wasnt to thrilled of the PC port of this game. It's a mess on PC and stutters a lot like most games do on PC. I'd tell ya to cope a little harder.

[@dsidebotham]

@nerdybrothers ps5 pro looks like it's the best place to play this game. You get amazing image quality due to the amazing Machine learning Upscailing due to PSSR and overall higher fps in battle over series x all while even having mkre than double the internal resolution bump on ps5 pro vs series x. the power of the ps5 pro is pretty amazing. Series x can only run this game at 720p internal resolution with that blurry sloppy fsr and still chugs during battle . No comparison.