Warhammer Fantasy 6th Edition Battle Report | Orcs & Goblins vs Skaven

In this 2000pts 6th Ed batrep, a Skaven swarm seeks a key cave system entrance that links to the underway. However, it lies deep in Orc & Goblin territory and a vast horde stands ready to repel them. The ratmen will need to smash through their lines to find sanctuary in the darkness.
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[@johnroberts8793]

O&G player: I killed some Skaven with my fanatics! Skaven player: I kill more Skaven before breakfast than you can kill in a full day.

[@rogueelementgaming]

Ha! You ain't lying bud!

[@konstantineKein]

Scaven guy is back to the channel! YESS

[@josiegreene6140]

I got like 9k points of 40k orks and have been playing it for a while but this channel has inspired me to purchase a metal grimgore, a unit of black orcs, a unit of boys and some arrer boys- also currently in a bidding war for an orc shaman.... so we'll see how that goes. Hoping to find someone to play some whfb with cuz this game looks really fun.

[@rogueelementgaming]

YES! Join ussssss! 😄😄😄

[@trisbane4086]

At 1:44:00 the bark of the greenskin Black Orc Big Boss leader echoed across the battlefield: "Shape up you filthy maggots! I want no squeelin' long as da boss is alive." The entire lightning-fried and half-slaughtered orc & goblin army proceeds to rally, and the black orc boss cuts across the Skaven center (with the crucial help of the chariot) to clinch the Orc & Goblin victory, somehow. Awesome battle report man. You are seriously the best on KZbin at these.

[@rogueelementgaming]

Thanks so much dude! Love the narrative comment! 👌🏻

[@sanvean4601]

Stumbled on the channel just yesterday, subscribed after first 10 minutes of Slannesh army showcase and already watched a couple of previous games. Nice to see U playing my favorite edition, as there is nobody in my region who would play the old WH, so at least I can watch. Also a greenskin player, but I only have goblins in my list, lots of laughter when whole army just runs away after 1st round of shooting :D

[@rogueelementgaming]

Hell yeah mate, welcome aboard! I've always wanted an all night goblin army! Maybe one day.

[@LamboHJ]

The Endgame was so surprising Sometimes a Chariot is important not only a funny Thing in the Flank Thanks for that interresting Game

[@rogueelementgaming]

Right, that chariot was clutch!

[@williamlegg5514]

Great video as always! But..... Death Frenzy causes damage to any unit affected at the end of each skaven turn, got to take every rat kill you can! Skaven only FLEE 2d6+1. They pursue/overrun 2d6 as normal. While your chariot does strike first against the weapon team if you wish to direct attacks against the stormvermin (which you can if you chose, although obviously not the impact hits) then the stormvermin would go first. Also the pigs on a chariot can't attack units in the flank or rear... Finally warp lightning cannons always flee when charged, even when pursued or overrun into. Not that it looks like any of these would prevented any of the FUN induced by amusing dice!

[@rogueelementgaming]

Cheers for the clarifications mate!

[@UnciaAmethice]

The death frenzy was played correctly. Death Frenzy has two possible effects: if cast on a regular unit it gives them frenzy with no effects beyond that. If cast on a unit that is already frenzied (from this spell previously cast on them or any other reason) they will now be subject to Death Frenzy which grants +2 attacks but causes the unit to take damage every turn. Since no units ever got.the Death frenzy condition no wounds were taken. You are 100% correct on skaven not pursuing 2d6+1 though.

[@ekapris7880]

thanks for the clarification, that could had made a difference for Skaven

[@julienmaes6298]

Thank you guys for another great battle report. What a tough scenario to play and it does sound crazy that this wasn't a Skaven victory: Orc left flank completely smashed and two big units in the deployment zone at the end, it should be enough...

[@rogueelementgaming]

Glad you enjoyed it mate! I agree that it felt like it should be a Skaven victory. I might look at adjusting the win conditions for next time. Maybe allow characters to score, or set the point limit to a quarter rather then a third. 🤔

[@julienmaes6298]

@@rogueelementgaming Yeah it would be nice to find a way to adjust it that felt right. Did you do a third of the total points, or a third of the total point minus characters (a third of what can actually count)?

[@rogueelementgaming]

A third of the total points.

[@carfaxabbycemeterygoth7937]

Hell Yea Another Cracking battle report! I hope to see you guys have a rematch

[@ja37d-34]

Oh nice! Saving this for tomorrows painting session! :D

[@hamster55789]

Great report 👍 So many panic tests for the orcs!! I had an Orc & goblin army for 7th edition. I used to take 3 units of savage orcs for my core units. They were so good. Immune to psychology, extra choppas (+1 Str in first rnd) & champion, 6 models wide .... x19 attacks at Str4

[@brianhappynook3532]

As fellow Boss this game gave me so much anxiety hahaha. What a game!!!!!!!! Your artillery was hilarious. perfect ranges but you were lobbing pillows

[@philiphutchinson32]

Basha's big axe of bashin! Amazing. Gotta love those Greenskin magic items!

[@rogueelementgaming]

Right!

[@grimdarkroast]

Ooh! Always excited to see these pop up!

[@jeffthomson4223]

Great game as usual I looked into the Warp Lightning Cannon because of how generally odd it is- It's a M5 chariot that can march, and always flees, even from pursuit and overrun moves. That may have saved the Gutter Runners. Also, the whole double-charging, as happened with the Chariot and Storm Vermin is weird. I found the answer on page 16 of the 2002 Warhammer Annual, but that really doesn't help much. The short answer seems to be that the first charger- the Chariot- goes first, but can only target the Weapon Team (which died to impact hits). Then the Storm Vermin attack. Then the Chariot gets to make any attacks it hasn't yet- but if targeting the Storm Vermin it gets no charge bonuses. Suitably weird?

[@carlosrubinos]

Just two bits of advice! - For Kristoff (please correct me if I'm mispelling it!), in case you didn't know, when casting the Vermintide spell you are allowed to throw it in any direction, as long as it travels in a straight line. So it doesn't have to be straight forward ;) you could have easily hit the rocklobba for instance. - For Stos; the pig wagon didn't have to test panic when flank charged by the stormvermin. The panic test for charge flank when engaged in combat only procs if the unit being charged has already fought at least one round of combat, which was not the case. As always, super fun batrep, keep them coming =)

[@rogueelementgaming]

Just had a read of the rule and the only requirements are that the charged unit was in close combat at the start of the turn and is being charged by a unit of at least unit str 5. nothing about them having to have fought a round of combat. Cheers mate!

[@carlosrubinos]

@@rogueelementgaming Ah! Maybe it was some obscure FAQ or maybe my group just made it up at some point then xD I'll have a look and let you know if I find anything different 👍 ty

[@carlosrubinos]

@@rogueelementgaming my apologies you are right buddy! I mixed it up with something else

[@rogueelementgaming]

No worries mate! Thanks for watching!

[@adurbe]

Love the turn around from "this army is OP" to "umm... Yeah" exemplifies what I love about Orcs and Goblins, the swinging risk/reward is what makes em! Just compare the damage inflicted by the fanatics in the two batreps as a case in point!

[@carlosrubinos]

Whooo another batrep! And Cristoph’s Skaven are back-returned, yes yes!

[@anarchistjkd3382]

Please keep playing 6th, I was 9yo when i started,29 now, nobody played goblins like you did so much fun

[@rogueelementgaming]

Will do my man! Glad you are enjoying the channel.

[@mattikul]

At 1:13:20 you should only attack with the front rank (6 attack), since spears don't attack with the second rank the turn they charge

[@GunnarRolander]

Nice battle report, awesome to see the Skaven back at it! As a Skaven and O&G player this is my favorite lineup by far! :) One thing to note (1:41:10): Plague can jump 6" from _any_ unit affected during the Magic phase, so any nonaffected unit within 6" of any affected unit is fair game!

[@rogueelementgaming]

Glad you enjoyed it mate! I think we did this right? There weren't any nonaffected enemy units within 6" to jump to, so I let the spell end.

[@GunnarRolander]

@@rogueelementgaming The gutter runners are within 6" of the Black orcs, which had been affected during this magic phase, so they are a valid target and the plague could jump there if you chose to :) You played that the Plague jumps from its latest host to any non affected unit within 6", but the spell text states that it can jump from any previously affected host, not just the latest. Does that make sense?

[@rogueelementgaming]

G'damn! That is VERY different. Good catch mate, cheers!

[@GunnarRolander]

@@rogueelementgaming cheers mate, keep up the great work! Looking forward to the next one already :)

[@ellesse3862]

Great game, I know that manic laughter well .. my night goblins are seasoned routers, professional fumblers, frequently get eaten, often get entangled in netting, regulary misfire, suffer mushroom poisoning, miscast and explode, and scream at my stupid trolls that pick their belly buttons, noses, bums, and frequently snooze. I love them, they're the worst .. their cunning has fooled all enemies into thinking they are easy prey.

[@Ethnarches]

Whoo, a new one so fast? Thanks Stos and Christophe!

[@rogueelementgaming]

Hope you enjoy!

[@Ethnarches]

@@rogueelementgaming thanks, yes I enjoyed it very much! Fun to see that you took on the right attitude with the greenskins, a bit different to when you play your Dwarfs. I'd be happy to see a rematch with your Dwarfs against Christophe's Skaven army, even if it’s still the same list. I was kind of happy to see the fanatics whiff this time, they've been brutal in some of the other battles! I think leaving the Madcap Mushrooms out is a bit better, otherwise they can swing the game a bit much. Then again that can be fun too. :) Oh, doesn't matter, but 4 is definitely more than a quarter out of 13 as I'm sure you both know. ;)

[@rogueelementgaming]

I'm notoriously bad at quickly calculating 25% losses 😅

[@f.javier3802]

Amazing game mates, and what a terrible luck for the O&G!! Completely frustating...but they managed to get the victory at the end! About rules things, i am not sure you are doing the pursue move correctly. When a unit flees of combat, he does trying to avoid other units, friends or foes, so it is rare to charge when you are pursuing, because you have to follow the same route that the fleeing troop. The only situation you can end up charging in this case is if the space is not enough to move throung without touching other enemy unit, so you charge it. Frecuently, the post-combat charge happens in overrun, where you move straight fordward and it's easy to contact with enemy units

[@joranheimering5660]

Awesome game, Stos & Christophe! Cool to see you try the Blorc boss this time, Stos! Perhaps consider putting him on the opposite flank of the Black Orcs, though? The whole strength of the character, apart from their high LD and Str, seems to be the quell animosity? If you put the boss among a regular unit of orc boys you have 2 quell bubbles instead of one, for more control of the army? Great plays/setup otherwise!

[@ja37d-34]

We need the Ratmen back for anuvver go! :D In the old World but preferrably 6th Ed..

[@TCyoutube1]

Would love to see this skaven army vs your vampire counts! Is that a possibility?!

[@michaciemniewski9791]

Very well painted rats. Well done!

[@grimdarkroast]

Just finished it. Great battle. Always a great match up!

[@soulinite]

Great job guys!

[@chiefchurpa5739]

great stuff m8....enjoyed this bat rep ....

[@rogueelementgaming]

Thanks dude! Happy holidays!

[@wouterlute8078]

Nice battle report. Would love to fight the skaven once again. Been more then 20 years orso. I saw u were using the tusker charge with the chariot, but i don't think he has this ability. Its only for ridden boars i think.

[@rogueelementgaming]

They are indeed a fun faction to face. Chariots did gain the Tusker charge rule. It was discussed in the Q & A section of one of the annual's

[@wouterlute8078]

@@rogueelementgaming i did not know that. I will look for the q&a now🙈

[@ArtOfDuane]

love to see the skaven back again

[@ekapris7880]

Re watching the battle and I was wondering why Chris didn’t stand and shoot with his flame thrower when the orc chariot charged. ?

[@sethflowerdaylukeflowerday2159]

why put queek in the back rank where he never attacked once? maybe i missed something? great battle report!

[@offroadturkey]

Great game! Super close, want to see that black orc boss get some more kills!

[@rogueelementgaming]

Cheers chief! He was a bit of a boss!

[@Bloodybeast]

Love your repoerts! Keep bringing O&G!

[@anarchistjkd3382]

I have a whole khorne daemon army, 40 bloodletters, 20 bloodhounds, people hated me because I had like 8-12 dispel bounds, dwarfs were my only competition, my bloodthirster and exalted daemon drew all the attention, my bloodhounds literally ran from rank to rank by turn 4, back when getting a juggernaut was literally impossible and you had to sculpt half a blood letter on it

[@rogueelementgaming]

Sounds BRUTAL!

[@ATOMTAYLOR]

Great game guys. Love that Battlemat, who sells them?

[@warcraftdude13]

Would you say there are more orcs or skaven in Warhammer?

[@anarchistjkd3382]

I have a bunch of 6th ed high elf dragons knightsunpainted back from 2002?

[@FA-cf4ex]

Hey guys, lovely battle (again)! The scenario is indeed very tough, especially if you only count units on not characters. A few things that made me wonder: 1. Wasn't the Skaven Frenzy spell a Remains in Play Spell? 2. @Stos: Have you considered making your two hand weapon Orc unit Big'Unz? Seems more reasonable to me, as their output would increase by a lot. I know, that the current approach is a bit more balanced, but thats how i would play them ;) Same idea goes for the Black Orcs, maybe try them with two hand weapons? 3. Why the Black Orc General instead of a Hero? Just for the Ld9? I know, that you have a very narrative ridden approach with your armies, but wouldn't it be better to place your combat character in a unit which just delivers rank and file (like a normal orc unit with shields?). Your normal approach seems a bit to much like "all eggs in one basket" 4. Do you have Piggy Riders assembled? If yes - Please give them a shot next time, with their Wolf riding friends (aka cavalry list). Until next time, FA.

[@rogueelementgaming]

Thanks mate! I go hand weapon and shield to get the benefit of the +1 str on charge from the Choppas rule. I don't have Boar Boyz assembled but I did just get some, and very much plan to do an all cavalry and chariot list at some point.

[@FA-cf4ex]

@@rogueelementgaming True with the Choppa, but having always 2 attacks at strength 4 is also nothing to sneeze at ;)

[@UnciaAmethice]

For the Death Frenzy spell: no, it specifically states that it isn't a spell that remains in play. It simply "toggles on" frenzy which then remains until the unit loses combat as per the normal frenzy rule. Considering only.grey seers get the spell it would be difficult to get the double frenzy effect from it otherwise.

[@FA-cf4ex]

@@UnciaAmethice Thank you for the clarification! Couldn't look it up, as I don't have the Skaven rulebook with me.

[@HungryGamerReviews]

Low leadership showdown! Nice!!!

[@TzarChelo]

Why did you displayed the orcs with 2 weapon in front of the ones with shiled? It is better to chsnge them True??

[@DarioFilippi-ig3wp]

1:45 rallying troops can't move...stone thrower crew shouldn't have done it ;-)

[@benkochskamper3092]

Great report gents. I think the orcs that fled from the charge in the flank(already engaged with the bell unit) should have gone toward the centre of the board. Don't they run away from the unit that causes the panic, not the largest unit strength in that situation?

[@benkochskamper3092]

From memory it would make it a failed charge and the plague monks would end up in front of the bell unit, bell stays where it was. May be wrong.

[@oukt237]

Very cool batrep!

[@rogueelementgaming]

Cheers mate! Glad you enjoyed it! 🍻

[@UnciaAmethice]

Love me some skaven! Should be a messy fight...

[@Area51UFOGynaecology]

legendary chariot won the game, did you calculate how much it destroyed during the battle?

[@anarchistjkd3382]

I have a bunch of 6th ed high elf dragon knights

[@rogueelementgaming]

I don't currently have a high elf army. But hope to have most factions eventually.

[@permadeathstrategiegames1780]

i love youre entusiasm

[@rogueelementgaming]

Thanks! ❤

[@WarhammerFantasy]

🙌

[@rogueelementgaming]

🍻

[@lordravenblade]

O&G dude needs to burn those dice.

[@rogueelementgaming]

🔥🔥🔥

[@NecromancerNightmare]

Another great game. :)

[@deende79]

at 1:17:00 you shouldn't use +1 str on storm vermin since you didn't charge them if i remember correctly 6 ed

[@rogueelementgaming]

Halberds are always +1 str whether you charge or not.

[@deende79]

@@rogueelementgaming well i was thinking on ork boyz with spears in chariot and also boars could only attack weapon team from skaven like someone did mention earlier . Anyway nice report :)

[@rogueelementgaming]

Ah, my bad. Good catch there sir!

[@ceorgeglooney190]

It's clear to whom the moral victory went. Such atrocious dice rolls... when in favor though...

[@ohthreefiftyone]

Watching these batreps, I’m starting to think trolls are kinda shit.

[@rogueelementgaming]

Always have been. But I still love 'em!

[@ohthreefiftyone]

@@rogueelementgaming Thanks for doing these. I started looking for any fantasy batreps I could find to get a feel for how it might play while I decide if I wanna get into Old World. You have a ton of them and they're very entertaining and so much more real than the ones with all the dry ice and voice over.

[@recn6149]

Are you heading to Cancon for the 6th edition tournament?

[@rogueelementgaming]

Not this time sir. I only just found out about it! Sounds cool though. maybe next year

[@isakjohansson112]

Was rewatching an old batrep, went to the coments looking for rules clarifications and I see this. 😋 Eleven months ago. I sincerely hope you will be going (and recording!) This year! 😀

[@anarchistjkd3382]

If you would play 6th ed on KZbin with what I could send you I will send you some cool ass shit bro

[@rogueelementgaming]

Dude, if you want to send me stuff to play on the channel, I would accept in a heartbeat!! 🤯

[@GaniSowie]

is there a single game you havent lost ?

[@rogueelementgaming]

I'm a bit confused... Are you referring to me or Christophe? If me did you mean a single game I haven't won? The last game he and I had he beat me with Hordes of Chaos.

[@ja37d-34]

Man, I enjoyed that.. Was painting while looking/listening.. :) Cool list but I would not worry about some whingers about the last list.. O&Gs are weak, play whatever, you can hardly make them "OP".. If you take loads of something you get weak in other areas. O/Gs are not a power house, period - purely fun.. And too uncontrolable. Well done managing to win with that stuff though, with that start. Nice sportsmanship too. Gork & Mork blessed that pig wagon!! :D