Warhammer The Old World Is All About Female Knights Lecturing The Silly Males And Girl Bossing!

Lords of the lance eh? Ladies of the lance would be a more fitting title and one with a lot more fun inuendo too! As the return of Warhammer The Old World embraces the current year fully with a story worthy of marvel
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[@tdlainc.4737]

GW produced a book about Bretonnian Culture for the Warhammer fantasy roleplay. In the book they go over the detail of what happens if a Female attempts to be a knight. the Short version is: "The Lord sends the female on non stop valor quests until one of 2 things happens, She dies or she puts a dress back on an acts like a lady again" Getting sick of companies rewriting their lore so that everything is the current year.

[@fabienherry6690]

And that make the story of a woman that KEEP being a knight so much more impactful ! This lady is a knight not because she had the governement pay for her education to then enter into a programs that make her a knight because they need more female representation all the while complaining that she is obviously not properly rewarded by the world and she should be given godhood since she deserved. NO this lady is a knight cause she was sent again and again into mission to the death and came back until the lord gave up and recognize her !

[@z2ei]

Technically it wasn't - WFRP2e wasn't made by GW, GW just published it.

[@TheFatalcrest]

😂 and in that idea....you have a very interesting story for a small troop of female knights or a single epic female knight that is just as good in the field as other knights. Maybe she inspires others to follow her example and has to deal with the fact that many give up or come back so broken and battered they aren't the same.

[@gstellar96]

​@@TheFatalcrestyeah and her name is Repanse de Lyonesse who did exactly that since it's not surprising that you're doing French Medieval knights to have your Joan of arc figure

[@zarrotechgeek]

You know, I'd read a story about a woman who keeps on taking retarded valour quests and refuses to give up no matter how senseless it is. Hell have her team up with a slayer, it'd be fun to see a slayer be the voice of reason on a team.

[@mercaius]

Hitting it on the head with one of my least favorite tropes of this 'genre.' "Oh, we've rewrote the setting so that it is multicultural and accepting at every level of society, but also at the same time minorities and women are still struggling against bigotry, just never in any real way unless it's a story beat for the bad guy."

[@nickvanachthoven7252]

schrodingers birthing hole/token N'wah. perpetually oppressed while always being better than all around them.

[@fabienherry6690]

It could litterally describe the majority of the progressivism crowd : fantasm about hardship cause they never felt it

[@KneeCapHill]

Which is the exact opposite of what fictional writing should set out to do

[@schnek8927]

@@KneeCapHill I think even normies realize this, albeit subconsciously. One of the many reasons the average person is starting to care less and less about media is because nothing is allowed to feel realistic. (because reality opposes the message) A medieval setting where every society is "diverse", women are empowered warriors (who beat up men by the dozen), no social expectations or limitations regarding sex or race exist, etc...? Yeah, that just doesn't work... Not for normal people, anyway. Now i AM admittedly extremely racist and sexist, but still. :) These things exist for a reason (very good reasons), and need to be part of fantasy as well if one wants it to feel even slightly realistic.

[@titanicpat1275]

A staple of the modern _Social Fiction_ genre.

[@vodkatlongtail9164]

The Crusade to Arabi was "A Crusade without honour" and not spoken about, because the author doesn't know anything about it.

[@danielbob2628]

Or "Arabi" just sounds too much like a certain area vaguely near Jerusalem. And, well, once you involve the word "Crusade," the only way to assuage the editors is to make it a horrible action.

[@janehrahan5116]

@@danielbob2628 and just like real life the crusaders were the good guy.

[@BloodwyrmWildheart]

Araby*

[@sand5857]

All Crusades are just 🙃

[@enriquejoseantequerasanche6180]

​@@danielbob2628"the crusades were monstruos", "the crusaders were evil", "it was a massacre without honor" stop your crying already, the arabs crusaded too, the quran demands constant crusade, and they took christian slaves. As a historian and a spaniard I am tired of the constant intent to portray medieval Europe in a bad light, yes they weren't perfect but neither were anyone else in that period. The crusades started with the noble purpose of defending the christians who lived/had lived in Jerusalem and other significant places for christianity, and like all war efforts it got twisted by men getting greedy, just like the muslims entering the iberian peninsula in the 8th century quickly started fighting amongst themselves over who gets the rights to land and over the peasants(another thing the quran demands, to give conquered lands to the warriors of faith, whoch is what almost every conquering army ever has done). The crusades were just as bad as every other religiously motivated military action, we should see them as such, leave them in the past and move on to stop current religiously motivated military actions(too many of those nowaday, not enough people pointing out that they are, and ironically also around Jerusalem)

[@Marinealver]

The case of Joan of Arc is that she was the EXCEPTION, not the Norm.

[@BloodwyrmWildheart]

"The exception proves the rule."

[@SMT-ks8yp]

@@BloodwyrmWildheart well yes, calling female knights an exception implies that there is a rule about no female knights. But I'm not sure you meant that.

[@tereninsecundus6084]

@@SMT-ks8yp Technically there isn't, but Humanity is a gender-dimorphic species and female knights are extremely rare (to the point where the JOA equivalent is virtually the only known exception to 'all Knights are male') and in Bretonnia the LORDS decree who become Knights, so in the extremely rare cases where some Lady or female peasant get into ANY position to give it a try, they are sent on the same testing-work (quests) that male wanna-be-Knights are sent on - until they A) die, like so many of their male peers do, or B) quit and realize being a lady/female peasant is much, much better. The JOA character was the one exception because she surpassed all of that and achieved the goal only men before her and since had achieved.

[@Elzimbabwe.]

We already failed when we gave that inch. Let that be a lesson learned.

[@joshwenn989]

@@Elzimbabwe. So you're saying 'we' failed well over 500 years ago?

[@Azraiel213]

Just remember, they're not just stupid. They're also evil.

[@malaficus]

And we are stupid for giving them power in the first place.

[@Botzorz]

@@malaficus well this case a small family company like GW is private, so they are almost completely unaccountable- which is also what their income should be for creating this awful story.

[@maxgehtdnixan4913]

@@Botzorz Time to give GW the Catalyst treatment, innit?

[@matsimurf_5900]

​@@malaficusThat's not true, we gave them no power. Woke corpos did.

[@ClauseNight]

I am sad they are sacrificing a great setting and decades of lore for mediocre politics that no one will remember in 2 years :(

[@TeamOneDay]

2 years is generous. More like almost instantly.

[@uberwayz]

Oh they will remember it. Historians will refer to these days as the times of darkness.

[@torcheddreadnought899]

We will remember, and remind those who forget.

[@Dryzual]

Its the new world order takeover. Not going anywhere unfortunately.

[@marsfreelander5969]

We will remember it in 10 years but we stopped caring 5 years ago

[@rahn45]

A girl boss girl bossing all over the incompetent and/or evil men! What a risky and edgy story in current year!

[@Jezza_One]

The order of the Pink Knights would be great.

[@Aenarion28]

Where were these amazing girl boss knights when it came to Archaon? They would have had the Everchosen recognize he was privileged, step down and have a woman become the Everchosen for representation and have the Chaos forces sing kumbaya and turn warhammer into a safespace for the whiney maggots... I mean new players who wont spend money. Given GWs prices.

[@PipoZePoulp]

She vows to save him. And so, her father marries her to his neighbor, in exchange for a thousand lances and a hundred ships. With that force, her uncle sails to rescue his nephew. All according to plan.

[@AlexAlex-zt3hi]

Just like the founding "crusaders" intended!

[@midgetydeath]

That’s actually a good idea. But, she meant she wanted it to be like in her daydreams and every bit as quick and easy.

[@Ozzystrayroo]

Ha, i knew it was going to be a monkey paw wish to have them bringing back the old world. Tis' a dark time, for sigmar sake.

[@InquisitorJack]

Things are only going to get worse

[@Elenrai]

What? Are they gonna revive the LOTR tabletop wargame?@@InquisitorJack

[@jamesdavey9690]

Oldhammer is still there for us. They can't change the past, and the old Warhammer Fantasy books are still out there for us to find and collect.

[@willnox1]

This

[@HiddenEvilStudios]

Speaking of which, there was a Google Drive floating around with all the 8th edition army books as .pdf's pertaining to Total War.

[@malaficus]

I mostly fear it will effect warhammer 3.

[@АндрейНеугодников-м6е]

Its the next generation i am worried about

[@carbonjohnson6414]

@@malaficus WH3 is already dead. They can't cram enough strong wahmen characters in fast enough. An example being the leak for the Tigermen unit being voice acted by a woman. Tigerwahmen, I guess it is now.

[@kamuireina9868]

Weird how people who champion women seem obsessed with putting women in oppressive settings where they could be subjected to the worst fates imaginable.

[@Nobleheart111]

Don’t be silly. Ms. Mary Sue could never have anything Bad happen to her! She’s the Bestest Evar!

[@janehrahan5116]

Most women are maso. Simple as. I know from ample experience.

[@totomen666]

But then they gonna cry if some orc gonna rape them with fungus, wokies - you never gonna understand what in their heads.

[@waldo2543]

@@janehrahan5116 Well theres a reason 50 shades is one of the best selling novels of all time, sales completely driven by women wanting smut to wank to.

[@markcarpenter6020]

​@@janehrahan5116to some degree or another. Some it's barely noticeable but others.......

[@Deatheater4444]

"We miss Bretonnia. Wish we could have it back." *Another finger curls upon the monkey's paw*

[@АндрейНеугодников-м6е]

What?

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

Never heard of a monkey's paw?

[@АндрейНеугодников-м6е]

@@matthiuskoenig3378 no i am not familiar with the idiom i am from eastern Europe

[@goransekulic3671]

@@АндрейНеугодников-м6е It is basically a deal with the devil. You wish for something, but forget to specify how it should look, what it should be, what it should not be etc. Then you get something that vaguely resembles what you want, but with tons of baggage. And deal-maker's own preferences.

[@АндрейНеугодников-м6е]

@@goransekulic3671 ah i get it now thank you

[@undeadwill5912]

The worst part is? That character is now untouchable. They will never fall to chaos, they will never do anything immoral, they will be pure paragons all the way till the company dies. There is no risk in loving them or hating them because they will be not because they are cool or interesting or lore important but because the current day politics demand they be as they are. They aren't creative or interesting.

[@someguy4252]

just a hamfisted forcfeed of naritive and dm fiat levels of forced plot.

[@Jezza_One]

Knights have had female horses from day one I cant see the problem.

[@MrJerichoPumpkin]

a pure paragon of evil, like Carol Danvers in the MCU, or Space KAren,as she should be known

[@korh9739]

not in my headcanon

[@Oblivius33]

And with this, I'm going back into my cave. With my 6th edition WArhammer Fantasy, and 2nd Edition WFRPG. Wake me up when Games Workshop goes up in flames.

[@illegalaryan823]

7th edition FOREVERRRRRRR

[@Mech-Badger-Man]

Reminder that WAP exists, and is actively being worked on. Want to play Skaven from the end of the old world v a fully fleshed out Albion? They got you covered.

[@utarefson9]

@Oblivious33 Has your group tried warhammer army project or 9th age?

[@BrianFlyingPenguin]

6th? Pff, tourist.

[@goransekulic3671]

5th Edition ftw!

[@arionofotherworld]

The writer forgot that Warhammer Fantasy is not D&D, nor Age of Sigmar.

[@Dryzual]

The writer is known to be on a w0ke crusade to make female space marines.

[@rotm4447]

you can own up to your own slop without dragging aos into it, sorry lads.

[@arionofotherworld]

@@rotm4447 oh i'm not bashing AoS, nor D&D, i'm just pointing out that both settings are far more likely to have female knights/Stormcasts than Warhammer fantasy.

[@whisped8145]

This is the encroaching salami-tactics setup to get female space marines: "But the Bretonians had been changed too!"

[@scar445]

and the moment you mention SoB, they lose their shit for some reason. because a religious, fanatical warrior cult of women is simply not badass enough

[@tarektechmarine8209]

@@scar445 or war or biology or history.

[@akumaking1]

It’s time to bring in the Black Templars and Grey Knights to go after the woke cultists.

[@ivanivanovic5586]

And send (slav) inquisition too.

[@Richforce1]

Space Wolves too.

[@sheikmuhammad3894]

No. No, send the Slaaneshi after them and get the Tzeentchians to finish up. They will go from woken to broken, and trouble us no more.

[@HiddenEvilStudios]

I believe you meant to say "Templars of Colour", thank you very much!

[@ANDELE3025]

@@HiddenEvilStudios >inb4 the chaos genestealer crew learn that the Egalitarian Templars purged a population of ahem-BLM-ahem giga-racists that were cultists of what 6th ed and GW themselves later revealed to be necrons

[@Volper1]

It's the female power trip. Be good at everything without earning it and have everyone love you for it.

[@АндрейНеугодников-м6е]

Has this ever actually happened?

[@AShockToTheSystem]

You forgot about the third part: and still complain how you're being oppressed.

[@SassyCassie89]

I think it's just a people thing, plenty of guys act like that.

[@elliottgaal9774]

If psych reports are to believed, female power trips are more villainous actions with no consequences

[@cendresaphoenix1974]

​@@SassyCassie89your comment makes me wish I could see dislikes.

[@piscinaiv7937]

Then the strong women came in and saved everyone and there were many happy lesbians. All the cripples were made socially whole. The men all knew that they had done wrong so they were quiet and stayed out of the women's way to do everything better and all the women were happy most of the time even the overweight ones and it was awesome!

[@victoriencharnot555]

Asavar Kul will now be a meanie with orange skin.

[@Krysnha]

And society colapse and were devour by the first enemy that appear, womans get out running for men help, but all men have just surrender and stop caring an f, womans loose rigth and things get worst

[@luminous3558]

and after a generation they were all gone as they didnt bother to reproduce.

[@janehrahan5116]

Except of course the women aren't happy since geniunely dominant women are a lower % than natural homosexual ones.

[@HiddenEvilStudios]

@@victoriencharnot555 Even better, they'll make either Magnus the Pious or the chap in charge of Praag suspiciously well-tanned while going on about big beautiful walls and making Chaos pay for it. The Kislevite character will then be renamed Vladivost Putinov or something to that effect and it turns out that the blood-mad hordes under command of the ruinous powers were simply misunderstood and never given a proper education which led them to becoming slaves to welf- I mean, slaves to...No, can't say that either. EMANCIPATED DISENFRANCHISED OF COLOUR. There.

[@aguyunderabridge.8794]

This is why I know female space marines would be shoehorned harder than the Primarus. Immagine it. They can go on and on about how they have to fight harder than any male Astartes to proove their worth yet also be given the highest respect from both Salamanders and Marines Malevolent and Black Templars And everything in between

[@duncanharrell5009]

Sisters of Battle once again being ignored I see… maybe for the best, God Emperor knows what they’d do to ‘em

[@fabienherry6690]

Female marine cost 50% less has a specially 2+ invulnerable save cause she is a woman we can't have her be in danger , when you build your army every point of female space marine give you half a point of government programs spending and the opponent can at best achieve a tie cause we can't have woman loosing !

[@TheFatalcrest]

Khorne will weep a tear for them in particular as he gains the blood and skulls for they are truly formidable

[@Richforce1]

But dey still lose and get crumped by da boyz. Gazgul best boss!

[@scar445]

can't wait to see them logic their way out of female space wolves. a planet so hostile, that even the natives barely make it through the trials. Like, the 0.5% of the top 0.5% MAYBE makes it through. The women would not mke it through in enough numbers to create a viable force of space wolves.

[@iambob6590]

Progressivism poisons everything.

[@Lagbeard]

Yea the author sure showed all those feudal governments that exist in 2024.

[@HiddenEvilStudios]

STUNNING and - Dare I say it? - BRAVE!

[@janehrahan5116]

They should, better than the burecratic faux republics we have had for over a century.

[@RevanR]

Somewhat I baffled that Black Library editorial didn't consider that preaching the audience will never end well, yeah this is why "careful what you wish for"

[@elliottgaal9774]

Especially as their IPs have numerous themes and tales of that saying.

[@willnox1]

"Ladys" are a VERY important part of Bretonnia...being spell casters...Lady of the Lake...Queens...wives etc...not knights... THIS IS the LORE from Bretonnian Culture for the Warhammer fantasy roleplay In the book they go over the detail of what happens if a Female attempts to be a knight. the Short version is: "The Lord sends the female on non stop valor quests until one of 2 things happens, She dies or she puts a dress back on an acts like a lady again"

[@fabienherry6690]

The worst part is transforming every rebel character from endearing to insufferable ! A woman trying to be a knight and either succeeding proving her heroic will or failing and getting back into the mold only to have a catastrophe push her back into warfare. Like imagine the story : A young lady in bretonnia close to moussillon that grow up with 5 older brother and read Repanse story. She is spoiled by her familly and is allowed to stay with her brother while they are drilled as to not be left alone. But during a higher lord visit her father is reprimanded and ordered to have her becoming a true lady . She is forced to participate in ball and learn ethiquette ect Where she meet a noblemen of unknown origin and while she is outside the castle the stranger being from mousillon and a vampire massacre her entire familly and resusciting the dead start pillaging the castle. She flee and get found by a knight errant that promptly "come to her rescue" and swear on his honnor to go slay the beast and take her back to the castle only for him to get massacred . She has now witness twice how her world and the world view that was imposed on her is fragile. She grab the sword and attack the vampire that don't react because who would expect a bretonnian woman to be able to fight especially one still in court robes . She goes back to the neighbouring castle to tell the news and everybody keep insisting that it was the knight errant that sacrified himself and slain the vampire. Now you could even have two thing : She take an armor and decide to act as a knight that made a vow of silence. She take a boat for the new world colony where the rules are by the harsh condition less oppresive. And the worst part is that this could as well not be the story but the back story of the character. I don't understand how they can't do something that simple

[@markjacobs3232]

If i remember right, any male spellcaster basically gets kidnapped and sent off to where the lady of the lake is...probably killed? It's very one group does A and the other B.

[@JohnDoe-ds8um]

@@markjacobs3232 recent lore states that the males become what the green knight is but as his companions in End Times

[@thequietman5934]

Haha Work her until she appreciates the easy life. That's funny.

[@thequietman5934]

@markjacobs3232 yup, you don't want to be a male spellcaster in Bretonnia or Kislev. Either off to the lady of the lake or off with your head in kislev... unless your parents can quietly and quickly ship you to the Empire colleges first.

[@TheLaluciDaniel]

Welp, the infection got through, the downfall of this IP has started

[@killerkonnat]

You're late to the party. Age of Sigmar murdered it years ago and now they're travelling back in time to do the same shit to the history.

[@Dryzual]

Yeah the slippery slope is REAL.

[@taglagable]

Cool thing is that assholes marketing managers don’t control the canon to me. I do. To me, they’re just creating trashy fan-fiction.

[@marcmcintosh5995]

You not notice the subtle nods to gender bending in the siege of terra? Dan abnett has always been inclusive in his writing. But done it in ways that suit the setting and story. But the ones from the SoT were just blaring virtue signals.

[@InquisitorJack]

Bro it was irreversibly fucked years ago

[@elijahherstal776]

I'm so glad all these characters eventually become Flesh-Eater Courts. Archaon did nothing wrong.

[@zielisawzielony9366]

That said there are no female fec vampires.

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

The funniest part? Bretonnia is technologically backwater. The number of jokes that can be made about how "no wonder they lost, they made women their best warriors" is going to be hilarious.

[@BonktoHead]

I think Styxhexinhammer put it best. “DEI hasn’t gone away it’s just become more silent.”

[@victoriencharnot555]

And just like that, every thing unique with Repanse ( flatout Jeanne in France btw) is ruined.

[@TiroDvD]

"There is nothing as sure in the world as the glitter of gold and the treachery of GW."

[@Dangerpurple]

You see, it stops being toxic if you simply switch the characters genders. Strong male character problematic? Just swap them to female. Damsel in distress problematic? Swap them to male. They can never just make a lady knight either, they have to have rippling bulging muscles, super human strength and endurance.

[@scar445]

as well s max points in chrisma, more intelligence and wizdom than a wizard and more aggression than an ork. But they are still cute little dainty things when they want to be, its so obvious that they want everything, even things that do not go together, because they cannot handle the idea of being less than perfect

[@cendresaphoenix1974]

Exactly now you get it

[@kyslippy]

The skin walkers have infiltrated GW? Who would have guessed

[@enovos3138]

The woke bait and switch is why Im afraid for space marine 2

[@SneedRemembrancer]

At least the space marines were space marines And the main supporting character was a guard officer woman in the original space marine

[@gfdnnfnfgnfgn]

It already has muh stronk sheboon guard and nogmarine, which were in gameplay and trailers

[@enovos3138]

@@gfdnnfnfgnfgn lol. I thought she was Middle Eastern? At least then I could justify it with saying she got merged from a depleted tallarn regiment

[@TheMaleRei]

@@gfdnnfnfgnfgn Oh, no.

[@malaficus]

​@basedsneedclave175 She also was a soldier first. The fact she was a woman didn't matter in the slightest. If written today all she would do is blame men for everything.

[@sandrothenecromancer6810]

>Master of the lake; >grooms of khaine; >brothers of averlorn; >no beards >Chaos ladies >Lizardwomen >Ice warlorcks >Women slayers >Plague nuns

[@Nigerila]

"Women slayers" I like the double meaning here. 😏

[@LordLucan157]

Being a woman must be so hard in Bretonnia if you have magical ability you become a damsel whilst the boys who have magical abilities get disappeared and are never heard from again. I’ll stick with the knights of Bretonnia Omnibus I own.

[@badgamemaster]

Female Knight: I don't like our system made by our goddess Fay Enchantress: Alright you are a frog now... Female Knight: wha *gets turned into a frog*

[@cendresaphoenix1974]

Seriously though bretonia is that fairytale faction with a dark twist. The only real way to improve it is to add fairytales with dark twists. Could have had a mountain of ideas yet they stufck with jone of ark 30,000,000,000,000,000 times and now no one cares because feminism is boring.

[@taglagable]

So, I’m guessing the success of vermintide and total warhammer has prompted the bean counters to resurrect the ip so they can desecrate its rotting corpse.

[@willl676]

Looks like GW listened to fans like Loremaster of Sotek. There's no way this is going to backfire horribly.

[@AlexAlex-zt3hi]

Hes another woke advocate? Well, most of the "hobby" (and well, with hobby i can describe almost every hobby out there) youtubers are WOKE among the woke. The guy calling bolt action german players nazis (while playing A GERMAN SHIP IN WORLD.OF WARSHIPS was hilafious, if he wasnt so stupid) or more than one that goes like "whats the hobby as a "abcde", "how been in the hive mind...i mean the collective affected my tastes" blablabla

[@willl676]

@@AlexAlex-zt3hi Soymaster is probably one of the wokest to be honest. Back during the George Floyd insanity he posted an asinine video that no asked for about how we had to address the issue of racism, how we need to stand behind BLM and how white people were ultimately the driving force of racism in America and in the world and how we need to apologize and feel bad. He also threw Arch under the bus due to Reddit's smear campaign and this was AFTER doing a collab lore video. I can respect the quality of his lore videos and the amount of research that goes into them but he's a shitty person.

[@willl676]

@@AlexAlex-zt3hi Oh and he's also the kind of guy who goes "Warhammer is for boys but it shouldn't be like that and we should make the setting more accomodating", without realizing that stuff just appeals to different kinds of people and you can't please everyone. The themes of Warhammer, its epic tales and battles are more interesting to men than they are to women (unless they're tomboys on some level), that's just the way it is. Trying to change the setting for the sake of inclusion will just turn WH into something it isn't.

[@qwefg3]

The Lady of the Lake was not a fan of rivals and for good/bad reasons. Her entire focus was making sure that the males lead, breed, and made better cannon fodder to ensure that her woods were safe of the raving lunatics outside. Seriously... You have female boss VAMPIRES who rules entire clans (and nations). You have the EMPIRE advancing to the modern age, the entire undead Not-Egypt... lots, and lots of places... why even the freezing bloody north with the mutant monsters has it's fair share of pricks, champions, and even Khorne getting annoyed his favorite Wifu got cheap shotted so he advanced her regardless. Yet they chose the knights in fancy armor... and then make it political... and forget that it is the FEMALE ELVES LIVING IN THE DAMN FOREST who are making sure men are in charge, suited up, got the right genes, and then work until one of them think's its a good idea to drag him to bed to have fun with before dumping him to the lady of the lake to give her blessings to make more disposable cannon fodder to keep the chaos lunatics up north away, the undead lunatics to the east away, and whatever lunatics come about that need a bit of 'divine inspiration' to move those cannon fodder knights into blocking their advance. It's like saying that the Skaven should get over their differences, not backstab each other in the back, and advance together as a unified species to bring good cheer, kindness, and the magic of friendship as they even present little colorful tattoos to show their special talents... Now on an unrelated note I must run from some overly large rats that took offense to that comment.

[@fabienherry6690]

I'm baffled by the fact that they don't understand that without struggle a character isn't lovable and that their confortable creative-office life ISN'T interesting. But it's funny they picked THE nation that make every male a tool of an elven goddess to complain about the patriarchy and female oppression when the man are the one forced into a rough life for the benefit of the protected elven female ! Truth always come through it look like

[@InquisitorJack]

@@fabienherry6690privileged females complain that their male slaves aren’t sufficiently oppressed yet. Just like modern day

[@sandrothenecromancer6810]

Tbf the Lady of the Lake prefers humans to pointy ears .

[@midgetydeath]

To be fair to the eld goddess, she was including her Grail Knights in the paradise she was making and seems to care about them.

[@jean-sebastienmatte2358]

Ponies and Skaven are so different, you, essentially, evoking an hybridization, made my brain just go "error, this is too cursed to touch" when trying to imagine it.

[@ZontarDow]

"By owning our own publishing house we can ensure quality in our works"

[@PsychicAlchemy]

I'll bet my 40k budget that Games Workshop has already been captured by investment capital.

[@AlexAlex-zt3hi]

That probably happened when they got out in the stock market, years and years ago. Compare old GW with current one. When i started the hobby, when i was 15+/- , a teen afterall, a box of high elves basic troops, 16 spearmen/archers or 8 knights was 18€. A few years later, the very same units went to 20/23/30€.

[@GeorgeSoroshasenteredthechat]

Early 2000's, according to people that know about that sort of thing.

[@thenson1Halo]

Well.... it made its way into Games Workshop. The corruption only spreads... we must purge it!

[@Richforce1]

Or replace the corrupted and make lots, and lots of money.

[@InquisitorJack]

It was proven beyond a doubt in 2020. GW was fully woke years ago

[@malaficus]

How to purge it?

[@lightborn9071]

​@@malaficusCertainly not by sitting around and waiting for times to change on their own, pal. The wokists moved their asses and so will we.

[@thenson1Halo]

@@malaficus With holy FIRE pilgrim! Lay waste to their reddits and twitters. Mock them mercilessly and denounce them for their corruption and weakness! Open not the books of corruption, but let them molder unsold on shelves. Flood Games Workshop's communication channels with your hate! Let no woke pronouncement by the servants of Slaanesh go unopposed! Let them know that THIS hobby belongs to US! AND HOLD THE LINE! Gatekeep so hard that the bastards see no gate at all but only an infinite and impenetrable wall!

[@GabrielGabriel-gi6yc]

I’m 49 years old so I’ve seen things how they were before and they are now. When I was first shown Warhammer, 40k IP. I said to myself, I don’t want this to become in the main stream because it will be censored and changed because it will be viewed as to masculine. 25 years later my fear was correct.

[@SATH-gd8eh]

Maybe if warhammer went mainstream 25 years ago it wouldn't have been that bad. Lotr happened in the mid 2000s. So warhammer couldn't have been worse. But sadly the wokeness have already infested warhammer for a while now.

[@smallmercies0644]

Yeah this has saved me a ton of money, thanks Games Workshop for showing your hand right away instead of later after getting a new army.

[@MIKE_THE_BRUMMIE]

Jesus Christ "Warma'amher" is coming

[@shawnm1902]

War-ma'am 50k next?

[@pshafie]

​@@shawnm1902peacebroom 60m?

[@AlexAlex-zt3hi]

ITS WAHMAN-MAAM

[@sangralknight3031]

Me a Bretonnia player from the old days of glory: " Have we not suffered your ignomity, the idignity of dismissal, have we not been forsaken and cast out? Have we not been long abandoned by thee oh games workshop? Must you now turn from neglect to abuse? Why of all thy unwanted bastards visit upon us the scourge of your contempt? Have we not suffered enough at thy hand! Leave us be, let us die and lay us in the ashes of our aged glories, let us pass from the world and rest in peace! Was I not at the feet of my forefathers, in memories of glories long past, Now you drag me, unwilling, back to this mortal coil, raised again, not a knight, but an abomination of thy wicked design. Curse you vile traitor, Neither I nor the hollow bones of these proud sons of Bretonnia will heed your call. My sword is sheethed to thee, my lance shall not tilt, my steed shall not be saddled for thee. Never shall the horn of my host be blast in proud clarion, to ride to thy aid. Never. Even if the world shall dim in eternal night, and dark gods feast upon the naked souls of the dead. Never.

[@gstellar96]

Sounds like a sick speech for the Flesh Eater Courts tbh but with Nagash instead of games workshop

[@harbl99]

"Settra declares this speech to be indeed based. Spare that particular garlic-scented one."

[@FeeNixBeech]

Like I keep saying, gatekeeping is pointless when they are already inside. Evict, then gatekeep.

[@Mikalent]

We can't evict now, the first place these parasites infest is Hiring/HR, so no matter how many writers we boot, they will hire more and more woke writers. At this point the structure is wholly infested, and the exodus of the fan base that held up the structure will begin, and when that happens, no amount of layoffs at GW will save the company, because they will never lay off the *correct* people. Warhammer is now a lost cause.

[@Jezza_One]

There will be LGBTQ+ knights in the next book.

[@joshwenn989]

And how are you going to do that? Exactly what power do you have over Games Workshop? Talk is cheap.

[@FeeNixBeech]

@@joshwenn989 by letting them have complete control and running into the ground like Star Wars.

[@Kharmazov]

In other words this ought to be an Adeptus Sororitas novel.

[@widgren87]

Thanks Arch for saving me and a friend some money by making this video... Also when the "progressive Left" starts about things being fair I am reminded of this quote: “If some people had wings and others didn't, and the government wanted to enforce "fairness," soon no one would have wings. Because wings cannot be redistributed, they can only be broken. Likewise, a government edict cannot make people smarter or more capable, but it can impede the growth of those with the potential. Wouldn't it be fair if, in the name of equality, we scar the beautiful, cripple the athletes, lobotomize the scientists, blind the artists, and sever the hands of the musicians? Why not?” I am just going to go read David Gemmells "Legend" again. Good Luck.

[@Tom-sd9jb]

You speak of Gemmel, if you're looking for good, unwoke sci-fantasy give Gene Wolfe: Book of The New Sun. It is amazing. Has very strong Catholic undertones if you know what you're looking for but don't worry, it's not a religious/preaching book. It's dark as fuck if you're paying attention and I'm pretty sure GW stole from this for 40k (especially sisters of battle - you will see if you read it all)

[@danielbob2628]

This was the plot of a My Little Pony episode.

[@widgren87]

I tried that once, liked the ideas but the writing style didn't grab me. Might give it another try someday but not right now. Thanks for the suggestion though. @@Tom-sd9jb

[@Rellana1]

Have you read the Swords of night and day yet? it features a very interesting character called Skilgannon the Damned.

[@emceedoctorb3022]

Gemmell was based af.

[@martinnolhaf3151]

Funny thing is, the Old world takes place in the Past. So Canonically speaking Brettonia did away with all this stuff about 200 years later ;)

[@jeremyrichard2722]

Well, my major issue with this is that it's a dark fantasy setting. There is no problem with a girl boss character here and there within that type of fantasy, I mean even Conan had a few characters like Belit and Valeria. The problem is as illustrated you can't normalize it and act like it's something special at the same time. The intended vibe of Warhammer is that it's a dark setting, there were plenty of "equal opportunity" fantasy worlds and settings back when they started doing Warhammer's lore, part of what makes this one dark is a more pragmatic view of such things at the current tech level. To be entirely honest there would be little point to characters like Ulrika and her entire arc, ending with Vampirism, in the "Gotrek and Felix" stories, or why it's supposed to be such an unusual thing to have an entire "Maiden Guard" among The High Elves, or why "The Ice Queen Of Kislev" stands out for being one of the few women to have magical power on that level. If there were say female Pegasus Knights running around as relatively close as Bretonnia, it's unlikely Ulrika would have been such a big deal for doing the female adventurer thing so to speak. Otherwise, yes, people writing this stuff should learn something about the history on which it's based. People hear terms like "Islamaphobia" and then fail to realize how messed up that is and why it was created as a political construct. They were hardly victims over there. It constantly surprises me how little people learn in school nowadays as most people don't even know exactly what the "Knights Templar" or "Knights Hospitalar" were. They also tend to lump all the crusades into one thing. :)

[@АндрейНеугодников-м6е]

Why was it created as political construct i am still not getting it

[@jeremyrichard2722]

@@АндрейНеугодников-м6е I'm not sure what your confused by to be honest, I thought my statement was pretty straightforward. Unless the idea is to see if I will write a long response? To play along though, I would say the motive for doing it was that they cannot have things that do not fit current socio-political ideology. Warhammer Fantasy is one of the few current fantasy worlds that is not massively politically correct, other game settings like Golarion and various D&D worlds have been being changed to be less "politically problematic", with the companies even saying so. Paizo removing all references to slavery from Golarion for example, so you don't even have evil slavers to fight. They have a literal "Infernal Empire" set up by their version of the devil that no longer practices slavery because apparently that's just too evil for the literal manifestation of all evil and depravity in the universe to tolerate. Eat souls? Torture for eternity? Conquer all of Reality? All of that is great, but forcing someone to work without paying them.... that's just wrong. I am guessing this is just Games Workshop bowing to the pressure to make their world conform to the same standards as everyone else's. This wouldn't even be notable, except it wasn't that way before. I think there is room for all kinds of things in fantasy. I mean you have all kinds of "modern morality in fantasyland" settings. Having historical and pseudo historical settings is fine, as are dark fantasy takes (like Warhammer) where the point of dark and disturbing things by today's standards is kind of the point. Part of my criticism is that one of the points of having settings that are very hostile to say women, or specific types of people, can make it interesting and meaningful when one of them breaks that mold within the setting. This seems to be trying to present this as both normalized and stunning and brave at the same time, which doesn't really work. Warhammer is not historical, but when it comes to mortal races like humans, women are generally not always treated well, which makes exceptions like the elves that have a literal "maiden guard", or the few women who achieve power a big deal. It also explains the temptations in some women selling out to chaos for super powers, or consenting to become a lesser vampire for the same reason and things like that. None of this works when you have a bunch of women running around in the highest orders of knighthood casually, and one of them apparently also getting away with talking smack to her feudal lord which should be a no, no, in that environment and not just for being a woman. Understand nobody is saying feudalism is exactly a good thing, but it does make sense within the setting and much like reality it's not something that just goes away quickly, or something where those in power let people run around casually undermining the system. This is long, but to put this into perspective. One of the defining fictional series of this world was the "Gotrek and Felix" series. Felix Jaeger is a noble who had the bright idea of doing something like that and was writing subversive poetry and talking smack about the government during protests. He get's thrown in jail rather brutally and only isn't decapitated because he's a noble, and is still likely to come to bad end but he meets a dwarf slayer (condemned criminal who is redeeming himself in the eyes of the gods by challenging badass monsters to death duels endlessly until he dies) in prison for drunkeness, and the two get sloshed together and he promises to write the take of Gotrek's eventual death as he used to kind of be a big deal. This arrangement has cross cultural ramification that gets Felix out of prison, but obligates him to follow Gotrek around while he looks for no-win scenarios to throw himself at, in order to have the most epic death ever. The gimmick is though that no matter how insane the situation Gotrek goes after, he always manages to win, as he is ridonkulously tough before even getting into a weapon you later learn is divinely powered. Felix who was a decent swordsman becomes increasingly better as he follows Gotrek, and sort of a warrior-hero in his own right. At any rate to get to the point of this ramble, while travelling Felix winds up meeting this renegade noble daughter called Ulrika who does the warrior-rogue thing and keeps crossing paths with them. There is a three way romance between him, her, and this mage guy, that you always think will result in some kind of horrible betrayal but never does because they are all good people. In the end Ulrika winds up in a bad place both socially and physically (it's been a while, I don't remember all the details) and winds up giving herself to one of the Van Carstein vampire and turned into an undead, the point being that some women do this and become "bride of Dracula" types just to have some kind of power. For Ulrika though, who was already a massive exception the results are... rather impressive. This leads to her parting ways with the others, as Gotrek is sort of honor bound to murder things like her just for existing (and we learn in one of the books even a Vampire Lord has a real hard time going toe to toe with this guy... and yeah he's depicted as having all the RPG celerity type stuff. Gotrek is just that stronk, which is kind of the point of him being an epic hero... the slayer who just flat out will not die as he intentionally pokes the strongest things in the world in the nose and invites them to try and kill him). The point I'm getting at here is this whole world already exists, and there are tons of books just in that series. If you just had tons of women running around in high orders of Knighthood, the whole schtick behind characters like Ulrika would make no sense. Nor would characters like The Ice Queen Of Kislev (as they would not be a crazy thing), or the one female Elector Count (I forget her name) who is supposed to be a big thing because it's not something women generally do in the human cultures. If you had tons of female "Pegasus Knights" in the country next door, it wouldn't be any big deal.

[@АндрейНеугодников-м6е]

@@jeremyrichard2722 thank you for your time

[@HMASTroll]

Even Bretonnia will not survive the girl boss revolution.

[@benderbendingrodriguez6375]

Can't wait for Skaven girl bosses.

[@wtfisthisnonsense]

​@benderbendingrodriguez6375 that is truly a horrifying thought

[@Nobleshield]

@@benderbendingrodriguez6375Skaven are bloodthirst schemers who are constantly trying to backstab each other. Sounds like women to me. Remember, a woman's worst enemy is other women.

[@diggytablet]

​@@benderbendingrodriguez6375 The Skaven fandom are mostly degenerates and alphabet ppl anyway, they're all for that.

[@cendresaphoenix1974]

​@@benderbendingrodriguez6375 They don't use skaven or half the fractions for that matter in old world yeah it's not just girl boss bad it's also just fucking bad.

[@grimalkin8082]

Boy am I glad I don't play Bretonnia and I say that as a female player of the game. I adore the warhammer fantasy setting, and I'm terrified what they'll try to do to my Empire lore.

[@Dryzual]

Well as it turns out Shanyqua the great black queen really invented the steam tanks and Sigmar was a rayciz.

[@smallmercies0644]

@@Dryzualdats rite

[@grimalkin8082]

@@Dryzual We wuz Tilean inventors

[@HiddenEvilStudios]

Watch them make Sigmar brown and more similar to the Emperor of Mankind.

[@thequietman5934]

Games Workshop should maybe not release this book and have a new one written by Dan Abnett or Anthony Reynolds. GW needs to have a strong start to The Old World launch, not shit the bed.

[@nickvanachthoven7252]

wokehammer fantasy. its dead on release, so let that corpse rot.

[@victoriencharnot555]

GW drank 1 liter of Coffee and orange juice each and ate 3 Mexican dishes before. They won't just shit the bed, they are going full Cracatoa in there.

[@thequietman5934]

@nickvanachthoven7252 I'll treat their book media for The Old World the same way I treat their book media for 40K amd Age of Sigmar. They've been letting authors write alot of female centric Stormcast and Astra Militarum books and I've passed all of them by. Nobody remembers the 40K book that had the attempt at including gender pronouns for a reason.

[@emceedoctorb3022]

Abnett is the absolute worst and I hate that the fandom worship at his feet. He is a total woke bellend. Just read pretty much anything he has done for 2000AD in the last ten or so years.

[@ZeWrAtH]

Huh? Dan Abnett is literally the source of the cancer when it come to girl bosses and strong wamen.

[@Kolljak]

You know what would of realistically happened to said female knight in a feudalistic society. she would of been shamed for disobeying her lord by giving the guards wood for fire, they [the guards] would of been flogged for making fires from said wood and disobeying the lord and then her questioning of societal demands and questioning the lord would of got her executed for treason. this is the real truth and the best part is it would have nothing to do with her being a woman and her being entirely incompetent by knighthood standards and societal standards of a medieval society.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

I mean a realistic feudal society wouldn't have used fire to keep warm on the walls. Fired were dificult to start and useually kept indoors where their hear could be trapped. You would wear warm clothes and rotate men inside and outside.

[@Kolljak]

@@matthiuskoenig3378 talking about societal demands not infrastructure and culture. this is a fantasy setting so the last two might not necessary be 1:1 to our world. Honor as a code of conduct and Feudal Society as a structure of laws and rules.

[@NERV_Mars]

SIGMAR, BLESS THIS RAVAGED FANBASE!

[@victoriencharnot555]

True Sigmar mindset.

[@benderbendingrodriguez6375]

THEY HAVE WRONGED US!

[@benderbendingrodriguez6375]

THEY HAVE WRONGED US!

[@mcyolicjones9081]

Figures. So EVERY fantasy IP I'd loved as a kid now. I'd just assumed Anthony Reynolds wrote this one but I guess I've been up a mountain too long. The taint of Chaos has infested the lands. That's all there is to it.

[@mikesecondname]

So strong, so progressive, what a woman~ 😏

[@jorge113355]

tHe bEsT bR3ToNniAn KniGhT eVEr !!

[@CaptainHindsight-xt9yd]

@@jehuty1122that would actually be a bit more based than what they are doing currently.

[@Vohaul86]

I remember reading from an old White Dwarf about a female High Elf that disguised as male and was riding a dragon, and who fought the Dwarves - and got tragically butchered by them. I'd guess from that that it wasn't a norm.

[@АндрейНеугодников-м6е]

I dont think high elves ever cared about sex the empire and bretonia did the dwarfs too

[@AlexAlex-zt3hi]

There was a few races with already existing female units, mostly the elven ones. The real problem is not using the lore, is breaking it and makinh "female knights", "woman king" (like the awful woke movie, i copied the name xD), etc But elves...since i got into fantasy in 6th ed, you had the everqueen and her female guards, the elven crazy witches running almost in bikini armor, etc

[@Vohaul86]

@@AlexAlex-zt3hi TBH the bikini Witch Elves have been a thing since the earliest editions. (Bought some old models from the mid-90's a couple of months ago and planning to paint them that era's style with white/pink hair etc. like the cover of White Dwarf # 187 [UK].)

[@AlexAlex-zt3hi]

@@Vohaul86 thats what i meant, the lore was there. Elves with SOME females? Lore friendly. Female bretonnian knights? Wrong

[@Vohaul86]

@@AlexAlex-zt3hi Okay, I read that wrong

[@kennys-dt8od]

It's like they know how much we wanted the old world back and plopped out this slop and said “There are you happy now?” while glaring at us in utter spite for not liking AOS.

[@banbrado28]

Oh i can guarantee that GW is absolutely livid about AoS flopping.

[@SneedRemembrancer]

I can’t wait for them to turn the tomb kings into the tomb they/thems Just like it is in reality lmao

[@patgray5402]

And the Lizard men will be Lizard Xem

[@victoriencharnot555]

Khalida will be revealed as black.

[@SneedRemembrancer]

@@patgray5402 Liztinx

[@benderbendingrodriguez6375]

@@patgray5402 Don't forget the Beast Ze/Zirs.

[@benderbendingrodriguez6375]

WE WUZ TOMB KANGZ! DAS RITE!

[@MykeDiemart]

Chaos stands no chance against Dame Marry Sue

[@HiddenEvilStudios]

Damoiselle Marie dé la Souee.

[@TheMaleRei]

She will be the first human to harness Chaos in the service of Law! Mark my words...

[@andyknightwarden9746]

Strong Wahman: _Starts lecturing an army of grizzled men on the ethics of war and why war itself is a bad thing_ Knight Commander: _as SW keeps speaking_ "Marksman, how far away can you accurately shoot a target?"

[@LordBilliam]

11:42 "When do we see misters of the lake?" I'm actually making backup "mansel" miniatures to replace my damsels if I come up against any female knight armies to meme on them... haven't found a man in dress mini yet, so probably going to headswap a 3d print

[@calumdeighton]

I had to double check this, because I woke up with a hangover. Had a great gaming night with friends. And now I'm paying the price for a good time. Oba I hate this century.

[@MagosCavantis]

As someone, who actively did armoured full contact fights for almos a decade and participated in the world championship two times, let me tell you : you do not engange multuiple enemies at once, fight them effectively and are still able to carry a grown man afterwards. A man won´t be able to that for any serious amount of time after a serious fight and a women will definitely not be able to do that.

[@fuzonzord9301]

Isn't it a general problem with combat in fantasy novels? It's generally written by people with near-zero knowledge of the subject. IMO nowadays practising/being knowledgable of HEMA/getting a HEMA consultant should be mandatory for a serious fantasy writer.

[@MagosCavantis]

@fuzonzord9301 True, it definitely is. Though, when it comes to fighting in full armour and fighting in an environment with multiple opponents, you want to have someone who does HMB or IMCF. HEMA fighters often do not fight in real armour and the fencing mostly only covers 1 vs. 1 scenarios.

[@elliottgaal9774]

I agree that you must focus on one foe but keep alert to others. Attacking many foes at once leaves open to being surrounded. There are videos of women being in shield wall collision, they are sent flying and injured. The men stood there. Almost like women can fight but must use their natural traits to their advantage.

[@thehappyclam3942]

Thanks for spoiling it for me, of course this will be made into a big budget Disney movie.

[@conradflanagan5003]

Thanks for warning me away from buying a Bretonnian army, or any Old World for that matter. I'll just double down on my commitment not to buy any products from GW.

[@umbralobserver]

*sharpening sword* Tell me, good town crier Arch, where skulks that knave Graham McNeil? I would fain have words with him. Merely words, forsooth.

[@prokopiusvonvogelberg1396]

Gilles le Breton disapproves.

[@HiddenEvilStudios]

Gilles le Breton is currently serving as a centrifuge under Couronne to keep the castle's electricity bills at zero.

[@SMT-ks8yp]

@@HiddenEvilStudios what is electricity?

[@snatchy9837]

Looks like the gates of the old world have been breached and the conquest has begun. RIP

[@balstann10]

And this is why I support gate keeping, and sailing the seven sea's.

[@smallmercies0644]

Does this now mean that EVERY major nerd property/hobby in the West has fallen? What is even left at this point?

[@nyanko2077]

Of course it is! Just like wrath and glory is for 40K. This day and age, you know, idiocracy at its finest.

[@TEXASAXE]

What is Wrong with Wrath and Glory? i dit not see any Lore unfriendly things, no female Space marines no Male Sisters of Battle. The only thing i saw is that Humans can be as good as Space Marines because of the Tier system. and that is already some what Realistic when you read some of the new Books, like a Sister onehitting a Space Marine with a Melta. and for the Humans the Kasrkin and Lucifer Blacks can also do it so where is the Problem? Imperial Assassins can even beat Custodes who are just Humans with a lot of Implants, Training and Bioenhancment

[@oiwithyou]

I'm DM'ing wrath and glory right now and I don't really get the comparison. W&G Isn't perfect but generally stays within the bound of accepted canon. This just sounds like echo chamber garbage.

[@TEXASAXE]

@@CcReap3r Assassins could kill an Custodian, atleast in a Sneaky way, not the eversor he would totaly Die, but the Lore changes so mutch it is Insane, in One Book they Die like Flys in the Next they are like Anime Main Characters, but still The Balance is not Far of. and Beating a Custodian in an Open Fight sure Imposible by Beating i ment defeating a Custodian in other ways. But still elite units can kill Space Marines. i guess the Only Point of Wrath and Glory is the Game Balance. but i like it, you can Play a Space Marine with Humans Without making the others useless, and you still feal like a Space Marine, because you Deal more Damage and Kill more People then the other non Space Marines. and all have there Special Areas they are good at, Space Marines are just Walking tanks and Damage Dealers

[@TEXASAXE]

@@CcReap3r and that is True, in a 1v1 in an open Battle No one Can beat them, unless maby it is a Solitair or Primarch or named Character, i know. still lore wise something like Space Marines are not as OP as they once where Lore wise, when you read the Books, most of the Time, the Only Reason why Space Marines are so OP is because anyone else uses Bad Weapons, as soon something better is on the Table or Bigger they die, something like Plasma or Lascanons, heavy weapons. and Wrath and Glory does that Realy well. but the Power of SM anyway Depends on the Writer, in one book they are OP AF and in the next they dont, the same with Necrons and other factions. The other thing About Wrath and Glory some People dislike is that it is not as Deadly as Other TTRPGs, and that is also True. but hey that is what Imperium Maledictum and the older TTRPGs are for. i Realy Like W&G we have a Tier 5 Campaign where i Play a Custodian from a Homebrew rule set we found online

[@Alberic_Str31N]

Beyond the multiple problems in the book, there are two issues that just strike at me. First is the sledgehammer approach. If you want a woman kicking all kinds of ass with a blade in the warhammer's universe, you can. That's what elves are for. Talks crap to everyone every day of the week, never ever hears the word "no", does whatever she wants, and has abilities beyond mortal men is basically the definition of an elf. You can create such a character that is outside the social norms and the hierarchical structure. You just need a tiny bit of care and finesse. The second problem is the destruction of the IP. Bretonnia is supposed to be crap, intolerant and backwater. There is no sign language in Bretonnia because if you're disabled, you die. There is no progressivism in Bretonnia because the lords are very happy being in power and the populace is made up of famished, scared, and superstitious peasants. And there may or may not be outside forces keeping Bretonnia in such a state. The "good" guys in Warhammer are supposed to still be living in hellholes. Where people are wicked, ugly and wary of strangers. The "good" guys are still very very grey, that's the point. That's the universe. That's the IP. If you turn Warhammer into discount Rings of Power, you just destroy the thing people like to replace it with something nobody wants nor buy. Yet again, that kind of behaviour is right on brand for GW.

[@cadis4257]

...wow. they could have built upon all the hype of the successful videogames set in warhammer fantasy and they chose this.

[@freedomandguns3231]

*sad bok*

[@sandrothenecromancer6810]

Malekith: "Druchii from this day foward you`ll all refer to me by the name Malerion " Tyrion:"but isn't Malerion an Asur name?"

[@RambleOn07]

"If they can't take their own lore seriously, why should i." This has become my standard response. If the author can't get out of their modern politics, they shouldn't write about historical periods. Because if you can't understand what conditions facilitate your modern indulgences, you can't even commentate on historical ones. I think I'll skip the Progressive World.

[@dbalenzano4891]

I HIGHLY recommend reading the bretonnia omnibus (around 20$ for over 700 pages)!! Excellent novel made by an author that truly loves and pays respect the lore! Very dark story that highlights the good and bad of bretonnian society, without having the need to insert modern day politics into its narrative! FOR THE LADY!!!

[@joshwenn989]

I tried it and thought it was okay but the ridiculous level of peasant-hate really took me out of it. Half of the time it felt like I was reading The Turner Diaries, just with minorities replaced with peasants. Of course, it was based on the crap 6th edition lore for Bretonnia, and not the _good_ 5th edition lore, so that's what you get...

[@dbalenzano4891]

@@joshwenn989 its important to note that bretonnian high society has been indoctrinated into having a superior complex and "hating the filthy every-day peasantry." Every race in the warhammer fantasy world is flawed, even the "good guys." I simply viewed this hatred of their poor subjects as a method in which the author showed this. To each their own!

[@barbariansrus580]

So Games Workshop devalued Reponse de leonesse by making to many copies of her. Shame, damn shame

[@elliottgaal9774]

And not even good copies either. These are knock-offs that devalue her tale immensely.

[@fanusobscurus]

When a 2005 Canadian kids show handles the idea of a female knight better than you, you know you have problems...

[@mahoganydoughnut6082]

Jane and the dragon?

[@Jezza_One]

Whats the problem Bretonian knights have had female horses from day one.

[@matiashamalainen7965]

@@Jezza_One The horses are written better. That is the problem.

[@hoyer]

Knight hood, now coming with affirmative action and inclusivtivity.

[@АндрейНеугодников-м6е]

Why?

[@hoyer]

​@@АндрейНеугодников-м6е thats a good question. why do they have inclusivity in brettonia? arnt they the most socially backwards realm of man in the old world?

[@robintst]

Keep an eye on the sales figures, those should be hilarious.

[@АндрейНеугодников-м6е]

I dont want them to fail i want them to make something good

[@obsidianwinters5857]

Sigmar, preserve us! I appreciate the save, Arch.

[@leonemaledetto1500]

Our gates need more keepers!

[@vladimirzarkov6777]

He he, just imagine a feudal society sending its women of fertile age to battle. For how many generations would it survive if we add the horrible infant mortality in those times?

[@LorePlayingGames]

I bought all the omnibuses for Warhammer Chronicles I could get my hands on. I was hoping to expand that collection with Old World, but it looks like my money will stay safe in the wallet :^) I guess the GW CEO has to get comfortable with the idea of not getting it.

[@Vampire123411]

I remember some early promo images about state troops. One was black, other asian and the last one white. I used to think it just some kind of fever dream because I can't find the picture now. But I guess even Old World cant escape current world politics.

[@ct9564]

I didnt buy Warhammer Fantasy RPG 4th Edition because of the art. That's probably where you saw it.

[@professorkatze1123]

Graham McNeill should write more chaos stories. I bet he would be good with that

[@marducms]

Old world dead on Arrival.

[@Spr1ggan87]

That's pretty much every IP in film, TV, and games these days.

[@otaviolobo7989]

This will spill over to 40k... I just know it.

[@TheLaluciDaniel]

Already did, know the new Space Marine shooter coming out? Yeah, the senior writer is a "Kill all men" feminazi. GW is on its way to "progressive" deathrow

[@ryanmitchell4044]

It’s already begun in all likelihood. Just want to point out they replaced commissar creed with his daughter already.

[@otaviolobo7989]

@@ryanmitchell4044 Yeah I know that... Strangely enough she just fell into the backburner though... Not a peep of her in the lore.

[@willnox1]

@@otaviolobo7989 Exactly cause no one cares about her...the 40k population is still like 99% male playerbase...just as it always has been. My wife plays too but can't stand this pandering crap. Onepagerules looks better and better.

[@fabienherry6690]

@@ryanmitchell4044 Naa ... They did ? Oh i can feel the shadow of "the emperor was actually a black woman ! After all nobody saw him for 10 000 years so nobody know "

[@IRMentat]

2:45 call the inquisition. We just found a witch. A man built like Konrad would struggle to do as much, let alone some random female knight.

[@pedanticperson1149]

Anyone else read the Traitor Son Cycle (by Miles Cameron)? I think that handled the introduction of a female knight (as well as women fighting) quite well, no girl bossing, acknowledged the issue of strength, etc.

[@ivanivanovic5586]

Uu, new reading material, thank you, sounding quite promising.

[@pedanticperson1149]

@@ivanivanovic5586 It's definitely worth a look & has the added bonus on being a completed series so no worrying if it will ever be completed. I would say that the female knight aspect isn't central the plot, it's just something that happens along the way.

[@Tom-sd9jb]

Here to evangelically recommend Book of The New Sun by Gene Wolfe. GW definitely stole some ideas from this - especially some sisters stuff.

[@ivanivanovic5586]

@@Tom-sd9jb Wolfe sounds familiar, I'll have to check my (quite extensive) library, if he isn't there, I'll add him to the collection, thanks.

[@TheGorgon10]

Oh nice, first GW go scorched earth on fantasy without a single stuff given to the fandom, then they kind of give it back to us with a heavy dose of salt into our still open wounds with this bucket of tripe.

[@Blackdawn1975]

i started getting into Warhammer 40k about 2-3 years ago, then i realized what kind of company games workshop is and i haven't given them another penny since

[@weareharbinger914]

Anyone who has ever carried a person knows its not easy. The requirements for modern female soldiers are lower because they typically cannot do such a thing. Seems like a waste of time to debate feudalism when you have literal monsters from hell wanting to bust into the world and devour you, or mutated rat monsters coming up from the sewers to eat you. Or fucking skeletons trying to rip you apart! I cannot fathom in warhammer, fantasy or 40k, that someone highly competent who is on your side would ever be marginalized when they're good at their job. Sounds like they just made a mary sue who complains about being not being priviliged enough.

[@tarektechmarine8209]

In armour weighting 30kg with a weapon and wood on her back as well. Women in our world still heaven't figured out how to stop crying when a fight does break out and the men have to pull weapons, I'm so sick of this female empowerment rubbish when they aren't even trying to make it reasonable.

[@mistergianpaulo]

Casual warhammer fan here but i enjoy the setting and the lore for what it is. I completely understand and support the hardcore fans for wanting to gatekeep the hobby to preserve what makes it warhammer.

[@elliottgaal9774]

Even more casual fans are becoming sick of this need to remake and pander to fictitious audiences

[@vulcanjoe8258]

Brienne of Tarth was a perfect example of how to use a strong female character correctly who is undermined by most other lords.

[@landencarpenter]

i gotta admit they are the best at keeping me from spending my money.