Warlord Games Black Powder Epic Battles - The Waterloo Campaign. Release Announced!

[@paulparker8143]

Thanks Stuart for that recommendation on the Waterloo novel. Soo much more in depth. I think Phillip Franks told the story so well too 👍

[@MiniatureRealms]

It’s great isn’t it, glad you enjoyed it.

[@paulparker8143]

@@MiniatureRealms brilliant Stuart. What I like about it continues to tell you about events after the battle.

[@MiniatureRealms]

Absolutely, that’s quite unique, I really enjoyed that part too.

[@tri-starwargaming]

Very excited for this!

[@MiniatureRealms]

Looking forward to seeing it in your channel!

[@miketike3246]

It's so awesome that Warlord is exanding the Epic range. WOW! I am holding out for AWI though. Already got the ACW, the Napoleonics look amazing! Thanks for sharing the info, been wondering when more Epic scale would be coming.

[@MiniatureRealms]

Thanks Mike, I’m maybe a tiny bit excited 😂. I’m sure AWI will come, though I think they might move away from Black Powder for the next one, they will all be smaller after this one though, so who knows.

[@packersfanforlife7903]

I feel the AWI would be a lot different as to truely capture the AWI they'd have to do it for maybe Long Island or Brandywine as most battles in the AWI were small engagement compared to the ACW and Napoleonics! Not to mention all the different jackets/uniforms the Continentals had aswell. The uniforms changed so quickly in that War that they would have to focus it on one battle alone and not a full Campaign/War. As great as these are for me to get the true AWI I would have to stick with 10mm Pendraken.

[@miketike3246]

@@packersfanforlife7903 That's a really good point you make, I had not thought of that. I think you may be right about Pendraken 10mm being better suited for AWI.

[@packersfanforlife7903]

@@miketike3246 believe me it would be awesome but I think it would be too hard to do justice in these sort of boxes. Plus the price of them, people would be forking out hundreds. Most Pennsylvania regiments had hunting shirts, each year from 1775 to 1777 the Continental line changed, then with the 1779 regulations it would just be hard to replicate within these box sets without multiple editions or add ons. Even the British Uniforms changed during the War, especially that in the way of the light infantry. It would be possible but it would have to be stream lined into one certain period within the War for it to work for me.

[@joken-actual]

This release caught me by surprise too as I wasn’t expecting separate starters. I think I’ll go down the British Starter box route (as a friend wants the French) and paint that and then do the French. The ACW waves came in quite quickly so skirmish rifles, Prussians and horse artillery limbers might all be available by June? Once I’ve got ahead on the painting and have a couple of scenarios played I’ll get the buildings. My plan is to have it all over the next two years or so but probably not from day one.

[@MiniatureRealms]

I think that’s a solid plan, I won’t be grabbing it all at the start, with ACW it felt reasonable to have it all, as most was generic as well. I was going to do the same as you and grab the British, but Xmas/birthday have come to the rescue and I’ve been given the go ahead to order both sides on Friday.

[@gkspain1]

Seams to be plenty of choice, very intresting, all the best, Garry

[@MiniatureRealms]

Yep a huge release, thanks Garry.

[@marelusimperius5631]

As a beginner at Black Powder, would you recommend the 28mm scale or the Epic scale? I am interested in the age and would like to begin with it

[@MiniatureRealms]

Essentially the game is the same regardless of the scale, both have their benefits, and in many ways I’d just go with what appeals more visually. Black Powder is designed as a Divisional level game (though this can be adjusted), but if you’d like to field a full Division of 2-3 Brigades, maybe 10-15 Battalions/regiments, then unless you have a huge gaming space 28mm becomes hard. The smaller scale makes this a lot easier, you can get a decent sized game on a 6x4, if you can stretch to an 8x4 or larger even better. But returning to what I started with, go with what visually appeals the most, and what you’d prefer to paint, a with either scale you’re going to be painting a lot.

[@marelusimperius5631]

@@MiniatureRealms I think the epic miniatures give more immersion even if they are smaller. there are more models and you can move them more freely. From a practical point of view, I will initially buy an infantry box from both factions with the set of rules.

[@MiniatureRealms]

I agree completely, they give that big battle feel which is perfect.

[@mike5d1]

Those Rifle stands could be used as King's German Legion Jaegers. the uniforms seem almost identical

[@MiniatureRealms]

Absolutely! They will make great Portuguese Cacadores (albeit not skirmishing), Portuguese line as well if I paint on the cross straps.

[@bickercity6392]

It’s a dream come true for you and Ken. Be excited!

[@MiniatureRealms]

😂 We certainly will be

[@bickercity6392]

Mike and I are talking about splitting the 500 pound set just so we get everything at once. If my wife complains, I plan to blame you and Ken so prepare yourselves.

[@MiniatureRealms]

😂 well if you’re going to get into trouble you might as well go big

[@martinradcliffe4798]

Exciting times! Though whether I take the plunge is up for debate..

[@MiniatureRealms]

Very exciting times, harder for those with existing armies though.

[@pauldavies9138]

Will they be doing the books seperately?

[@MiniatureRealms]

I’m not sure, it looks like the book included with be a special edition of the Black Powder rules with all the non-Napoleonic stuff removed. So I guess the rules aren’t any different really (maybe apart from a page or two about converting to smaller sizes, so maybe not as it’s al technically available. The extra stuff for the ACW release was all from the Glory Hallelujah supplement, with what amounted to one chart suggesting number of stands to use per unit, and a paragraph about halting distances or using cm, so nothing super needed of you already own the rules. I’m looking forward to getting my copy in January to review it properly.

[@pbeccas]

Looks like lots of painting ahead for you. 😀

[@MiniatureRealms]

Oh yes 😂

[@Brix_H]

My friend was talking about this after we played Warlord's VAS.... And that got me interested. Though I think I'll hold on for the moment while more nations come out... Looking forward to Battle of Leipzig set if it ever comes

[@MiniatureRealms]

That would be awesome

[@Brix_H]

@@MiniatureRealms I did see some KGL decals on the British starter set...

[@MiniatureRealms]

Yep I think all the KGL line regiments from Waterloo are on the sheet, funnily enough that was the first regiment I painted

[@mike5d1]

I don't know about the time of adoption for the Belgique Shako, but all of the British Light Infantry Regiments were still wearing the stovepipe shako at the time of Waterloo.

[@MiniatureRealms]

Yep there were quite a few notable regiments that used the Stovepipe still at Waterloo, I probably shouldn’t worry too much at this scale either way then really.

[@greywulfslair]

Very excited for this. Definitely going to pick up December issue of Wargames Illustrated with the expected free sprue to see what the quality is like. The £25 boxes look like a great way to dip into this if you already have Black Powder rules and want to see what it's like. My only confusion is if they contain 3 sprues with each sprue having 4 stands of infantry and one stand of rifles, you're a stand of rifles short for what's shown in the pictures. Maybe there's a mini-sprue included in there too and I'm just overthinking :D

[@MiniatureRealms]

Nope I’ve been trying to work out where the extra Rifle stand is coming from myself 😂

[@greywulfslair]

@@MiniatureRealms Glad it's not just me 👍😂

[@theboardgamebuff2732]

I am an avid miniature painter and enjo painting different sorts of units from fantasy and sci-fi to historical and modern military. It has been literally a couple of decades since I have messed around with any military wargaming. Do you have a suggestion for an experienced painter and gamer looking to re-enter historical wargaming? I do not have a particular preference on time as long as it is pre WW2. Thank you for the great video!

[@MiniatureRealms]

Thank you for watching. I’ve only recently returned to Historical gaming myself, it was Warlord Games Black Powder that brought me back partly, but mostly interest in particular periods of history. My advice would be to firstly pick your absolute favourite period of history, or the period that excites you most to wargame. The find the rules to achieve that, think about what you most like in a wargame, is it a tight set of rules with points, something that’s complex and built around historical accuracy, or something that’s more of a sandbox designed for fun casual play in and around your chosen period? I love lots different historical periods, but my absolute favourites are Napoleonic and ACW, I love Black Powder as it’s simple and easy to play, doesn’t require too much rules reference during game, can do a decent job of giving the feel for the period. I like the look of mass armies on the table in these periods, so Epic Scale is perfect for that, and I like the idea of recreating historical actions, and a fund relaxed narrative form of gaming. Go with what interests you most.

[@ethanmeiring7128]

I want to get into this but it seems like a lot of very detailed painting, which seems daunting

[@MiniatureRealms]

I can understand that. At least scale you really can leave much of the detail off, once it’s on the table en mass then it really doesn’t matter.

[@ethanmeiring7128]

@@MiniatureRealms that’s true, still, I assume a very fine brush is used for more fine details like plumes and sashes?

[@MiniatureRealms]

Anything that holds a point will do the trick, doesn’t have to be a particularly small brush. I’ll be doing some painting tutorials, I’ll show some tricks that take some of the hard work out of it.

[@mako2350]

when is this shipping? i ordered back in beginning of Nov and it still hasn't shipped!!! :( grrr

[@MiniatureRealms]

I couldn’t tell you officially as I don’t work for Warlord, but they’ve said January all along, but never had an official date. From what I can gather it’s likely to be the end of the month, usually with overseas pre-orders shipping first (about a week earlier) because of the distance. I’d imagine the official release date will likely be last weekend of the month. Can’t wait for mine either 😂

[@mattcappelli5822]

I’ve never played napoleonics, even though I was interested. This is definitely the way to get into it. Not having played, I have no idea how these army starters will work out on the table. What size of a game would the army set get?

[@MiniatureRealms]

Those £90 (adjust for your country) are essentially a whole army in a box. If we only take the unit frontages of the 10 regular line battalions into account, in one thin line they’d cover the width of an 8x4 table. Of course there are Rifles as well you’re easily talking an Infantry Division made up of 2 large or 3 Brigades. You’ve then got 5 cavalry units and artillery on top. It’s very similar for the French. It really all depends on your gaming space, but that’s a really good start, once the additional troops come out like Highlanders/Old Guard you have a very nice sized Division, and not far off maybe making it two.

[@mattcappelli5822]

@@MiniatureRealms great. Thanks for that info. Really appreciate it. I was trying to figure out if I would need the extra unit boxes or not and it really doesn’t seem necessary if I get the starter army. That helps in deciding what I will order now.

[@MiniatureRealms]

I’d say the army box is a very safe starting place, especially as if you’re anything like me you will be tempted with the future releases.

[@searnshaw100]

Quietly hopeful for the Peninsula at some point, and quietly thankful I don't have to shell out a load of money on this... Just yet :') Looking forward to seeing what you manage to do with this - your ACW stuff looks great

[@MiniatureRealms]

Thank you Sam. I may will trigger a Peninsula release buy spending time painting them that way, only for sculpts to be released in a few months 😂

[@patneale8837]

I really do think WG have done well with this release; no stinting on options and lots of choices for nearly everyone. I think I will practice with the WI freebee first as i struggle with detail; and these look detailed for the scale. The £25 starter boxes are attracting me though. Look forward to your tutorials

[@MiniatureRealms]

Thank you, I can’t wait to get painting. Totally agree as well, a really good looking release, and with the hope of more in future waves.

[@ratelmike8825]

Very excited and as per the early speculation the best part all of it in plastic. Ken already popped an early video on and i think he is a very happy bunny. Stovepipe Shako was in the Peninsular War, introduced in 1800, with the Belgic Shako introduced in 1812. for some excellent and highly recommended reference material especially on the British, i cannot recommend more highly the book British Napoleonic Uniforms by C.E Franklin. A magnificent publication and there is also one he does on British Napoleonic Artillery. Both publications go into fantastic detail of all the kit.

[@MiniatureRealms]

Yes Ken is definitely very excited, we were chatting on the phone this afternoon when all the information dropped 😂 Thank you I’ll check out those books. What I’m trying to find out is how widely the Belgic replaced the Stovepipe in 1812, when in 1812, and if it was only for replacement troops or if new uniform was issued to active units already there etc. Basically trying to work out how feasible it will be to do a late Peninsula force.

[@russellguyver7746]

@@MiniatureRealms I suspect for the seasoned troops from the Peninsular wars were a rag tag group with uniforms that were repaired numerous times with items taken from dead comrades or enemies. For a re- enacting wargame the decision is to go down the rough miss match look or a nice clean look box fresh set of troops. Personally I'd go down the clean troops look. Perhaps they will bring out Penninsular troops if the Waterloo sets are popular?

[@ratelmike8825]

According to the book, the Belgic Shako was issued as a general replacement from March 1812 on the instruction of Wellington who wanted the plume side mounted to easily differentiate from the enemy.

[@MiniatureRealms]

Thank you, my plan is looking hopeful.

[@AbuHildago]

What about the delivery times ?

[@MiniatureRealms]

It says January release, but no set date.

[@Rusty_Gold85]

You missed on the French Flag set was Guard flags . The large collection picture has a windmill but its not seen in any pack or bundle . La haye sainte is missing the west gate between Barns the French crashed through in their 3rd wave at 5pm during the Battle

[@MiniatureRealms]

Good spots! I didn’t zoom into the flags (not my specialty either). Assuming the mdf is Sarrisa Precision like with ACW, there were loads of extra waves of stuff, so I’m assuming there will be much more, and maybe from different battles like they did with ACW by adding Antietam to the Gettysburg stuff.

[@thegameskingdom811]

So about 1000 models in the £90 starter sets

[@MiniatureRealms]

1000 just with the infantry I think, not including the cavalry

[@MrBlackear]

That does all look very exciting. It's going to put a real dent in getting that Matilda done!👀 Some of those releases look very cool and I do think this is the best scale for Naps. Captures the best bits whole allowing it to play well.....hopefully!

[@MiniatureRealms]

I’m hoping to have my 8th army and my Wars of the Roses all done before I start this, it’s not shipping till Jan, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that wasn’t till the middle or even end of the month. Look out for Dec Wargames Illustrated, think there’s going to be a sprue on there (out end of Nov).

[@MrBlackear]

@@MiniatureRealms I'd seen the other video and have trip to local WH Smiths planned in the not too distant future. I shall be looking forward to seeing the sprues in real life. A Jan release date is a bit more manageable as there's quite a bit of Infernals stuff for Warmachine I want and the stuff I already have left to paint.😳

[@wanderingsoul7935]

Gonna need a bigger table 😅

[@MiniatureRealms]

😂 Oh yes

[@russellguyver7746]

This looks like a great format to get into. My initial thought was there is no pocket money level 'all in one' sets. - Having smaller boxes ( less models) at say £10 each side or a £25 all in battle set would enable more players to 'dip their toe' with this format, play smaller mini battles and also get both sides. I know this detracts from the 'Epic' tag but not everyone has £180 to get into a game system. At 15/16mm I can't believe the quality of the painting on these example sets! They are fantastic, you can even see the individual lacing on jackets, brilliant. These will be around for some time I think and building up your army(ies) can be done over time ....after finishing the painting of your previous bundle. lol Really looking forward to getting these.

[@MiniatureRealms]

I have to agree on the all in one starter sets, I probably wouldn’t go as low as £10-£25 sets, but a 2 player starter for £90 like with ACW is definitely missing, that’s what I’d have bought, but I will be getting the £180 set (luckily as a present). The painting is really very good isn’t it, nice a crisp.

[@russellguyver7746]

@@MiniatureRealms I imagine the resellers WG work with will be giving circa 20% off RRP so the £90 box will be circa £72

[@MiniatureRealms]

Yep I’d hope so, that makes it a little cheaper to get started.

[@peteraussie7606]

Pleased to see the pricing is much better than the wave2 and 3 epic acw was. Having been burnt by the acw I will think long and hard about this range.

[@MiniatureRealms]

I think being able to do these in plastic has gone a long way to solving some of the issues they may have had with ACW. It’s looking positive so far, though I expect we might see some metals/resin in later waves for low selling items.

[@peteraussie7606]

Miniature Realms Plastic seems to have helped,but still some odd choices. No highlanders ,or light infantrybut far too many riflemen . Also no old guard and too many elite cavalry(greys,carabinieri,household) if you want extra line cavalry..

[@MiniatureRealms]

Remember it’s only the initial release, I’m convinced we will see Highlanders, Old Guard and some kind of Skirmishing light troops for the British in later waves. I’m not sure what the plan is with the Riflemen in line and in every box, I feel they might be meant to be painted as something else as well. I like the French brigade boxes, seems a good balance. Cavalry could be a pain, but with plastic sprues there may be the option of buying them in their own. Warlord do it with other ranges, and there’s a few third parties that do as well, so might be able to solve (or partially solve those issues).

[@peteraussie7606]

Miniature Realms The problem is the plastic sprue contain several of each type so there is no avoiding the imbalance of troop types.

[@MiniatureRealms]

This is very true, I will have plans for re-purposing some of them, 60th, KGL, Hanoverian Jaegers, Portuguese etc. But I totally agree, I’d have much preferred Skirmishers like the French - the ‘template’ for what you get in the French box is better.

[@MillersMiniatures]

Nice one stu. I'm 100% with you on the shock of no 2 player starter set. Especially when this is supposed to be a gate way in to wargaming like was said with the ACW. Even if it was just a brigade box of each in a pack with la hay Saint. But they still look great. Look forward to seeing your progress and also looking forward to that 10mm WOTR video 😁🤢

[@MiniatureRealms]

I’m looking forward to it as well, if only I’d actually edited it 😂 I’m wondering if there will be a 2 player starter later on, and they’re trying to get more of the hard core gamers buying big and investing in large armies for this first pre-order. A bit like when GW do a new edition of 40k/AOS, big expensive box first, then the ‘actual starter’ that becomes a stock line comes after. That’s only a thought though, not really a prediction.

[@MillersMiniatures]

@@MiniatureRealms no I think your right. They're jumping on the system of Fear of missing out that obviously does very well for the GW products. They've clearly got more waves coming out so will have to wait and see what happens. But there's been confirmation of there being a ECW/TYW one in the pipe line so that's what I'm waiting for. 😁👍

[@MiniatureRealms]

It’s going to be really interesting to see what they do with it. Funnily enough because it’s such a big release I’m not really feeling the FOMO, I’m getting both starter armies, but only as they become Xmas/birthday presents, if it were any other time of year I’d just grab one starter, and slowly add to it. With ACW I wanted everything, as aside from the Iron Brigade it was all dual use, and there wasn’t anywhere near as much. Don’t feel the need to rush the scenery, as I know from ACW that it will just become main line stock at Sarrisa Precision. This time I think having it all is just too much at once, would be overwhelming. …and yes I can’t wait for the rumoured ECW and HYW, will be in on both I’m sure.

[@MillersMiniatures]

@@MiniatureRealms yer I think if your were going to get either one of the starters I would go for the French for now to wait and see what they do about the rifles because qs everyone's said why have they done them in line? Just have to wait and see. And completely forgot about the HYW stuff 😱

[@MiniatureRealms]

That British sprue will have those Rifles on regardless, so not sure having too many of them/in that formation is going to avoidable. I’m almost likely going late Peninsula war anyway, I’m going to try and find a way to make use of them in other ways. Hopefully it will be ECW announced this time next year, then HYW the year after.

[@grandadsartspace5805]

Ye really interested in these I will be buying the £25boxes as that works out better for me

[@MiniatureRealms]

That’s a pretty sensible way to slowly build up an army.

[@mike5d1]

as long as you don't wargame with what re-enactors call a "Period Nazi" I don't think it should matter what particular period the figures come from. Considering the prices of figures these days I think it's unfair to expect people to field 100% accurate armies.

[@MiniatureRealms]

Couldn’t agree more

[@MB-oc1nw]

I like the French modeled with and without greatcoats for variety. Glad they didn't make them look "parade ground"...

[@MiniatureRealms]

Yes I’m a big fan of that myself, think they have a bit more character than the British.

[@MB-oc1nw]

@@MiniatureRealms they need to make some skirmishing rifles for the Brits if they haven't...

[@MiniatureRealms]

I wonder if that will be in wave 2 or 3, there just be a reason the Rifleman are in line and the Voltiguers in skirmish formation.

[@MB-oc1nw]

@@MiniatureRealms That is a weird one. It 'd be great if they made some sharpes Rifles character pieces...lmao

[@MiniatureRealms]

I have a feeling they will do, can’t see them not cashing in on that.

[@nehrigen]

I wish they had a 1 brigade on 1 brigade starter.

[@MiniatureRealms]

Yeah that would have been nice, surprised there wasn’t.

[@GP_uniquehandlefail]

Nice to see a large amount released at the beginning, but it has confirmed that this isn't for me. I think I will wait for the rumoured ECW one or invest in an ACW one - I like the idea of uniforms and units which can fight across a whole war (admittedly, with a bit of a squint) and a starter set which allows you to field both armies, rather than these which will be limited to 100 days if you are British. Whereas the ACW hats were easily customisable, or at 13.5 forgivable in their variation, there is no easy way to edit a line of belgic into stovepipe. With the ACW set you can use those figures with slight adaptions for Manassas, Shiloh, Antietam, Chancellorsville, Gettysburg etc etc. These I personally would find the British Belgic sculpts off-putting for Vimeiro, Corunna, Talavera, Albuera, Salamanca, Vitoria etc - it just limits me to Quatra Bras, Waterloo. It was adopted in 1812 but largely only gradually seeded in from then onwards (recruitment drafts amidst old stock of stovepipes) and the army was not fully Belgic-ed until after the Peninsula campaign was over. For others I am sure it will be wonderful - best of luck with others and their collections though - for thems as fancy it a haul this size in plastic must be like mana from heaven!

[@MiniatureRealms]

Some really good observations there, the ACW set was more flexible, as would a ECW one (I’m sure it will come, hopefully next). You’re right about the focus on 100 days, it does limit to some extent (but know why they did it). I’ve been looking into the Belgic Shako introduction since the video, and have had a few replies on here as well. Mostly the same, but a little conflicting. I’m hoping I can get away with a 1813 Peninsula themed army with maybe a few conversions (need to see what I can do with a knife on these like with ACW) and paint job. They’re so small, paint job will do most of the work.

[@GP_uniquehandlefail]

@@MiniatureRealms I look forward to your conversion video with interest. If you can convert the belgics to stovepipe and bicorne easily, you might even swing it for me! I already blame you for my inevitable descent into Epic scale, so its really just a matter of period now. #BlameStuart

[@MiniatureRealms]

I really hope there’s a simple way of pulling off a Stovepipe, I’m really hoping it won’t be too hard to trim the false front, moving the plume or making a new one might be harder. Think it’s going to be time consuming, but if I can do some to add to the overall feel of a late Peninsula army it might be worth it. …they will definitely release Peninsula sculpts right after I’ve done it then 😂 Oh and you can blame me all you like 😆

[@GP_uniquehandlefail]

@@MiniatureRealms "…they will definitely release Peninsula sculpts right after I’ve done it then" Yup, Sod's Law chum!

[@bickercity6392]

I plan on using these models for all periods of Napoleonic gaming. If Warlord release more variety down the road then I will probably pick some of those up and integrate them in, but I refuse to let the uniform and equipment on the model dictate what battles I can play, especially not at that scale.

[@chrismcgreal879]

British to french is great but Waterloo was a mixture of armies vs the french. The British 'side' was a mixture of a lot of other 'kingdoms'. Will there be a boxset or conversion page to represent the other nations?. The other army ( prussians) wouldn't be out for a while, so what about the other nations that was there???

[@MiniatureRealms]

There’s a video out just yesterday from Warlord Games that answers most of those questions I think, better than I could in text anyway. But you’re on the right track, ‘painting conversions’ for Dutch/Belgians etc using the plastics from the release. More releases announced in terms of Highlanders, Rifles Skirmishing, Old Guard, Middle Guard and more. Prussians coming too, I think 11 sprues form part of the initial first two/three waves, that’s a lot of financial investment in plastic tooling, this a huge release in those terms, and they just can’t do it all at once. The good news is the pre-orders have done very well, which means more nations become more likely in the future.

[@Rusty_Gold85]

Apart from the need to change british belgic shako's you can just paint white trousers for Peninsula troops and have more Dragoons

[@MiniatureRealms]

Thats what I was thinking. I like later Peninsula anyway, so some Belgic will be fine, and prefer the campaign look with some mismatch trousers etc. So might make that work.

[@MichaelAinge]

And easy to paint the Diamond shaped shako plates for the french

[@MiniatureRealms]

Absolutely, I’m leaning very heavily towards doing a late Peninsula project now.

[@MichaelAinge]

@@MiniatureRealms if you have the WI issue coming and it is a British sprue, will you covert those to peninsula?

[@MiniatureRealms]

I’m a subscriber so I’ll definitely have one sprue of something, I’m not sure what it will be yet though. I’m kind of hoping it will be a random mix, some mags with British and some with French Infantry (and that it’s not Cavalry 😂), then I’ll be trying to get extra magazines/sprues from ebay etc. Then I’ll definitely be playing around with them. If I just get the one sprue, I’ll probably paint it as it is for now, though I’ll likely go for white trousers and say it’s a late Peninsula battalion with new Belgic Shakos issued. Sadly my channel is not quite big enough yet to get review stock or early access, so I may have to jealously watch as others get to play around first 😆

[@darthlingus]

Most British regiments had the “belgic” in April 1813 ( including light infantry and rifles) all regiments were expected to have them by 1814. Col. Andrew Barnard of the 1/95th (Rifles) at St. Simon, April 1, 1813, to Alexander Cameron, and says, " I have had caps enough in store to help the appearance of the 1st Batt. as it used to be but the 2nd and 3rd sport bang ups as the soldiers of the 52nd who were the first in the Division that put them on have christened them.."

[@MiniatureRealms]

Thank you, that’s really helpful - just the kind of info I was looking for. I think my plan might be coming together.

[@peezebeuponyou3774]

@@MiniatureRealms All British line regiments wore the Belgic shako in the Waterloo campaign, with the exception of the 28th Foot, North Gloucestershire regiment, which retained the stovepipe.

[@MiniatureRealms]

Thank you @peezbeuponyou. I’ve been researching more the other way, I know the Belgic was introduced in March 1812, but also that it wasn’t wholesale in one go, so looking at the viability of doing a late Peninsula force with this release.

[@peezebeuponyou3774]

@@MiniatureRealms You're very welcome. Yep- perfectly feasible for late Pen. War.

[@davidwasilewski]

Buying multiple British brigade boxes isn’t good value, unless you want half a dozen units of the 95th rifles?

[@MiniatureRealms]

Yep it seems like there’s going to be a few spare Riflemen around. 😬 I can still only suspect they have a secondary plan for them, but we might have to wait for an explanation on why there’s ranked up Riflemen and not skirmishing light company like the French Brigade has. They can obviously be used as 60th, KGL Rifles, Hanoverian Jaegers I suppose, but that’s still I high number of Rifle troops to squeeze in a game. I can see them painted red by many 😂

[@russellnewhouse6092]

KGL Light?

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Kings German Legion Light Battalions

[@squigs1917]

Going to paint the rifles up as Hanoverian militia

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Because I’m going to do some Peninsula themed stuff, I’m thinking they will work for Portuguese too.

[@johnclarke9498]

I like it very much but well wait ontell they sort out the 95th line and make them into skirmish, Like they done to the french, Very odd they didnt do this. Doing them as portuguese sound good tho.

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Yep it’s a head scratcher for me, the only thing I can think of is that did they end up fighting in line for a short period somewhere during the 100 days? 🤷‍♂️ I think we will see them skirmishing as a separate release, there might even be a ‘Light Division’ box. I think the ‘template’ of the French Brigade box/sprue is better though. I’ll be trying to use mine up as Portuguese, KGL, 60th, Jaegers etc

[@crupt7301]

It looks amazing but I am dissatisfied with their being no full battle starter set. I wanted both sides in the starter set. I don't know what I will do. I really don't wanna buy the boxes individually and as a teen I can't ask for both the British and French starter sets and I have nobody to play with who is willing to buy minis.

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I’m really surprised by this myself, I really thought that ‘Epic Battles’ was at core based around the ‘Battle in a box’ idea. It’s not ideal, but I’d probably suggest looking at 3rd party retailer discounts, maybe grab one stater and slowly add the opposing side, or just buy the brigade boxes from similar places and go slowly. Definitely not as good value though.

[@leonleese4919]

Disappointing ! Rifles in line? They didn’t March, they carried rifles at the trail, so times even running. Their March with rifles at the trail was carried out on the flanks or the army so that they could throw out a skirmish line immediately to protect the army. Each battalion had a light company of 60 to 100 men if they were up to strength. However I’ll take a look. The brigadiers look interesting and will fit in with a 10mm army perhaps as they will be on a separate base away from other mounted figures. Infantry, it depends on base size.

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The Riles are a bit of a head scratcher. I’m not sure they’re marching in the sculpt, it’s a more mixed line than the regular infantry, but I’m surprised they’re not in Skirmisher formation like the Voltigeurs are in the French set - I have a feeling we’re going to see skirmishing rifles and light company in later waves, I think they’ve done the rifles like that for a reason.

[@popsey72]

One con, it will take 100'000 years to paint.

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😂 This is very true

[@grahamfennell7081]

Ordered mine today British & French deal £180 wife not amused but hay ho

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😂 Yep have the same deal ordered, with full permission though, Xmas/Birthday presents 😅

[@grahamfennell7081]

@@MiniatureRealms happy days will be watching yours and Kens +the rest of plastic crack on you tube for progress reports and batreps

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Thank you 😊 Are you the Graham I might now from Cheltenham/Warchiefs by the way?

[@NossCalavera1670]

As good as this release looks I think Im going to hold off until they confirm they will flesh out the line with allies like Brunswick, Dutch, Nassau etc

[@Rusty_Gold85]

Scots with Kilts . Apparently the flags set have French Guard Flags

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That’s fair enough, at this scale I’m pretty sure some of the British plastics might be able to painted as allies, but that won’t be for everyone. I think we will see a lot more in later waves.

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I’ve no doubt we will see Highland and French Guard as well, with all the effort they’ve gone to Id say it’s almost certainly been done.

[@NossCalavera1670]

@@MiniatureRealms If the jacket lace is not on the British line and has to be painted on(hard to tell by the images) then at that scale you could easily paint them as Dutch yes.

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I think at this scale I might be happy with that. It won’t be for everyone, and that’s fair enough, but these strips do some of the work like a 6mm or 10mm sculpt for me, but with the detail of a 15. I’m comfortable with a little bit of individual inaccuracy for an overall effect, if I want better accuracy in the future I’ll grab so high end 15s or 18s, or even 28s.

[@stevenlawther4750]

I dont think it is anywhere near as good as the ACW stuff, think I will be sticking to my 18mm stuff. They sort of remind me of Christmas toy soldiers the British stuff anyway, but I guess its ok for someone getting into the period for the first time :)

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I think it might be the clean paint job, but I can see where you’re coming from. The French look far more characterful, and the Rifles look good in looser order as well. I’m a fan of it all though really 🤣

[@rickybell2190]

The footprint for games would be ridiculous going by the width of each unit. The amount of rifles is ridiculously overkill. Then again it's for black powder the non realistic Napoleonic gaming ever to grace a 6 x 4 table.

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Sounds like it’s not for you then, luckily there’s plenty of other games out there.

[@andyrmac7733]

Looks too generic so far. It will be interesting to see how they manage the variety of units that made up the allied units. Nassau, Dutch, Brunswick, Prussians, Scots. I'm hoping this will be inThe pipeline

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I think we will see quite a bit in future waves, not sure where the line between new sculpts and painting existing ones differently might be yet, it’s hard to tell. For example they could bring out Hanoverians based on the British Infantry, with just the heads re-sculpted like the 28mm set, or they might just leave it for us to ‘make do’. I guess they will have made a guess at return on investment for plastics tooling, so some things we may not see. 🤞