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[@mikehigbee2320]

I once went to dinner in a well known tourist restaurant. They did a "bag check" for security, taking my wife's and my sister in law's Swiss army knives from their purses and held them till we left. At dinner, I ordered a steak, which I ate with the 5" serrated steak knife they provided me. Security theater.

[@Qkano]

Mine was even better .... I had some small travel nail scissors confiscated at Heathrow (blade length under 1cm!) I'd forgotten they were even in the side pocket - a bag I used for UK travel mostly. On the plane - business class - we were served 6-inch serrated steak knives to eat out streaks with !

[@raypurchase801]

@@Qkano Here's my story. I was attacked by a nutter with a pen knife. I was faster than him. Smacked him in the mouth and kicked the sh1t out of him. Went to my local cop shop. Reported it to the police. Handed in the knife. Asked for the crime number. I was told this was an "incident", not a crime. Clear to me the copper had been instructed to diminish the number of reported knife crimes. (The bloke wasn't a criminal, just a stupid w4nker. Otherwise I couldn't have come out of it OK.)

[@theofficialobama5434]

​@@Qkano only first class is allowed to stab people on planes.

[@charlescollier7217]

Security theathre is a very real part of the issue. I attended a graduation ceremony (ironically at a law school) in Atlanta. Security confiscated my Victorinox Climber, which has a 2.45" non-locking blade, on the grounds that weapons were not allowed. I felt so naked sitting through the graduation with only the 3.5-inch concealed fixed blade knife that they never discovered in their "search" of my person and belonging.

[@mikehigbee2320]

@@charlescollier7217 🤣

[@adders45]

I was stopped carry my tools (glass blowing) among my tools was my trusty opinel no7 . The copper got so excited and arrested me on the spot. I as taken to the station and charged with carrying an offensive weapon. The back and forth started in the interview, they had my tools and I said, ok let's use these as weapons, what would you choose? The knife was difficult to open as it was locked shut. The arresting police man couldn't figure out how to even open it, he was a moron. Luckily and old copper was overseeing the whole affair, he interjected saying that since this was a tool bag and I was on my way to work, I had good reason to be carrying them. The young arresting copper was desperate to keep me nicked but the old one told no uncertain terms that this would never stand up in court. I showed him how to open the knife and he cut himself on the blade which was razor sharp. He asked why it was so sharp and I explained, it was a tool used in my work and a bad workman always blames his tools. I lost a morning's pay but I did get a lift to work but no apology. Moronic wankers with zero life experience, give the job of policing us, god help us.

[@arpadjszabo]

The "why is it so sharp" question got me laughing.

[@dbird1356]

@@arpadjszabo”To make a fool of the not so sharp, ignorant and the inexperienced!”😂

[@thomascordery7951]

Why is it so sharp? Because it's meant to be more useful than you.

[@thomascordery7951]

In Canada it's not an offense to carry a small locking knife, but if you say you carry it for self defense you will almost certainly be charged with carrying a concealed weapon.

[@scottsyoutubeworld1824]

It is extremely concerning that laws are being created to incriminate law-abiding people, while making it easier for criminals to operate.

[@HarleyFirestorm]

Its even gotten to the point where people can't even keep certain things as ornaments in their own home, these laws have always baffled me, always seem to criminalise law abiding citizens who have no intention of taking anything out of their property for any reason. Of course criminals couldn't care less about the law (otherwise they wouldn't be criminals). and most of them view jail time as an occupational hazard, so couldn't care less.

[@steammachine3061]

The real irony is that a person who would carry a legal edc knife with the intention of using it for defense would be more likely to dodge leading questions that would incriminate more honest but law abiding citizens due to their willingness to comply. Shitty country with arse about face laws. As an easy nick is better than trying to incriminate a criminal who would see it coming a mile off

[@ronmatthews1738]

The police don't stop at asking you if it could be considered a weapon. If you say no, the next question is would you use it to defend your wife if she was being attacked. Say yes and you're nicked. A friend of mine was prosecuted for having an offensive weapon for a small Swiss army knife on his keyring. Luckily the judge laughed it out of court. Don't trust the police. Ever.

[@doco318]

If you don't like the law you can become law-nonabiding citizen/subject.

[@maxviolence5604]

because according to them we need to live in fear

[@ondrasvoboda4512]

Here in Czechia, you can legally carry anything (even a sword) and as long as you are not being dangerous, no questions asked. No knife crime. Just saying.

[@HorusHerotic]

Must be nice 😂

[@marcus2336]

That's because your country is not mass immigration. The people change everything

[@Weazelmania]

No victim no crime. As it should be.

[@balcomoz]

In Czechia everything is different than UK. Look on borders.

[@adamgray8502]

No diversity

[@TMWNH]

I carry a knife, they're handy for all sorts of things. As a Dad and a bloke whose always prepared, I use it for cutting tags from clothes, opening packaging, stripping wires, pruning in the garden, cutting loose threads neatly, cutting pages neatly from a notebook to name a few. My Grandad always had one on him for the same reasons. They're handy tools to have. Never used to cause harm.

[@SussexEDC]

Exactly how they should be used, as a tool. They're useful for so many tasks.

[@TMWNH]

@@SussexEDC I also bought a Swiss army knife for my 13yo daughter for her Duke of Edinburgh award expedition. Teach kids the correct context and to have respect for a knife and they use them for the correct purpose. It's a failing of the parents to fail to teach the correct lessons.

[@SussexEDC]

@@TMWNH I can't agree more. Show kids the safe, responsible way to use these tools and this will filter down into society when they are adults. Also, the DOE is a great course in my opinion.

[@HermitGeek]

Yep, it's a tool just like the copper...

[@sahhull]

Loss of our freedoms. Paying the price of multiculturalism... In the 70s most of us kids had a pocket knife of some sort. No one got stabbed or even brandished it

[@Smatnm]

What a disingenuous manner for the police to behave……to try and entrap or trick people into unwittingly & unfairly falsely confessing to crimes. What the hell has become of this country.

[@ony583]

"The judge was sufficiently trenchant in his criticism of the force - characterising them as the Stasi, Cheka and Gestapo - which provoked gasps of delight in court." That's what this country, or more specifically the police, have become.

[@davidpowell6098]

@@ony583 Thanks to you for posting this, it shows we do have some officials have common sense , and speak the truth.

[@ony583]

@@davidpowell6098 you're welcome mate, I gasped in delight too when I first read it lol, and yes it appears we do still have some officials that aren't scared to speak the truth.

[@ge-8135]

Leftists happened.

[@tacticalcenter8658]

Demoncrats happened. Basically corruption to a level of insanity.

[@TheWizardOfTheFens]

I’m now 65 years old. As a child, I carried MANY pocket knives. I wore a sheath knife on my belt a lot of the time, I had my Grandads old army jack knife with me always, I also took a knife to school with me as did most of my school friends. I can honestly say that I never heard, saw or took part in any offences using any kind of knife. I served for just under seventeen years in the Army and carried an array of knives during my service, with the same outcomes as previously mentioned - even when going out on the p*ss. There are other, more nefarious reasons why knives are being banned at an alarming rate, and I leave it to the reader to decide why this is.

[@thechancellor3715]

Same here in US....was trusted by my dad to carry small pocket knife every day since 3rd grade in late 50's. Might have been a Boy Scout model. First lock back was an all steel thin Black K55....now as EDC I have 2

[@trublgrl]

"I carry it to defend myself from harm." "So you admit you intended to cause harm?" Only in The UK.

[@Czermet666]

You can tell we're governed by dinosaurs. Worse yet these delusional laws are enforced by predators who act like they're hunting for commissions & points to rank up.

[@ForTheTeoma]

Always ask for the victim to be exhibited. There can be no crime/offense without a victim. What they're doing is inventing a future victim in their own mind, which is nothing but bias and fiction against you.

[@GriffMJ]

..... I have always carried a penknife (SAK and recently a UKPK). ANYTHING can be used as a weapon. Focus on criminals and not the general law abiding population.

[@julianshepherd2038]

I'm from Glasgow and you haven't thought this through. The bad boys will carry them too.

[@mcdon2401]

​@julian shepherd the bad boys will carry, regardless of the law.

[@lrdisco2005]

​@@julianshepherd2038 Most knife crime is carried out with kitchen knives, cheap and ready avaliable. Not with a lock knife that cost me over £100.

[@Dehydratedpencil]

So you would be okay with making all firearms completely legal and unregulated? I would for one.

[@geezerp1982]

@@julianshepherd2038 wrong sheep , the criminals are already carrying weapons, we dont have nice criminals who refuse to arm up when they commit violent crime because daddy government has banned the law abiding from carrying not even pepper spray ! in that case the czech republic must be an all out war zone , with the law abiding being allowed to carry firearms (inlcuding short barrel rifles) with a sporting permit, tazers, batons , pepper spray knives without any checks ...oh wait they have LOWER VIOLENT CRIME then the UK

[@the_once-and-future_king.]

If they ask 'why are you carrying a knife?' just say 'Because the law allows me to'. That's all. Not one more word.

[@pommunist]

It's for cutting string Officer, opening boxes, strip a bit of wire, slice an apple or cheese or a tomato, dig out splinters, pick me nails, cut a cigar, sharpening a stick to make a weapo....OOPS!

[@richardjames4632]

...and NOT ONE MORE WORD! Correct! Never, ever alter your phraseology no matter how many times the sh!tty filth ask. Just repeat and repeat your chosen phrase.

[@genwoolfe]

That law being the English BoR which (whether they like it or not) remains in full force.

[@simonh6371]

​@@genwoolfe No mate Section 139 Criminal Justice Act 1988

[@empoweryou1]

"Because you won't let us carry guns." would be my answer.

[@tonyhudson8235]

I remember fondly telling my mugger that his blade was breaking the law. He abruptly apologised, disposed of the weapon in a police provided bin, and went on to merely beat me with a wheel nut spanner. *Exert from Things That Never Happened. A book that doesn't exist about how criminals don't respect laws.*

[@simplemann101]

To preface I'm an American. 15 years ago on a family trip to UK/EU, we were going to take the chunnel from London to Paris. Little did I know my minor brother brought a 3"ish folder, a buck knife, and a butterfly knife in his bag from the states. Upon discovery he stated they were purchased the day before we flew to London in SF China town. When the officer asked him why the butterfly knife looked severely used, he shrugged and said "Eh, Chinatown." He made it on the next chunnel with my mom while I waited with my dad, no charges were pressed.

[@KevPage-Witkicker]

He's lucky, the butterfly knife would be an instant charge now, they seem to think they are more dangerous than a regular knife because you can do tricks with the handles lol

[@heleti0000]

Having Cancer treatment and suffering from severe nerve damage side-effects, I carry a small Swiss Army Pocket Knife to be able to open packages (plastic food wrappers, lolly wrappers etc) because I cannot grip things properly and have no strength in my fingers. I was challenged by a Police Officer who ”detected” my pocket knife in a pouch, I showed him my Chemo Treatment card and explained the use of the knife - he was dissatisfied and said it could be a weapon. I referred him to the use of Chop Sticks, Screwdrivers and Pencils as normal tools but they could be very effective weapons, far more so than a small Swiss Army Knife. He had no argument and subsequently, but reluctantly, left me alone. BTW, at the time I was “challenged” I was 70 years old and standing beside a farm vehicle - obviously I was engaged in farming “work” and the sharp shovels and an axe etc in the back of the farm vehicle would have proven far more effective “weapons” than a little Swiss Army Knife in a pouch. Obviously he was on a “mission” at the time he challenged me, trying to enforce laws written by Public Servants who have no relevant knowledge of what they are legislating about (when it comes to “weapons”, it would seem Hollywood Action movies are their source of information).

[@OffGridMadMan]

I'm sorry this happened to you, that copper was a tosser. I hope you get well soon 👍

[@cyberherbalist]

The goal is to leave you with no possible means of defense.

[@antasosam8486]

@@cyberherbalist forget about defense, just a tool

[@cyberherbalist]

@@antasosam8486 - Yes, I get the point. I was just commenting on the intent of the laws. They think they are doing one thing when they are doing another. They believe that by disarming the populace that this will reduce crime. Except for the fact that the only ones who will disarm themselves are those who obey laws and who have no evil intent, _who are not the problem._ The others don't care, and may in fact be quite happy with laws that disarm their victims. It makes their jobs easier and safer for them.

[@heleti0000]

@@cyberherbalist Totally agree. I still attend a local Gun Club - most local State and Federal Agencies also use our ranges for “Annual Certification”. Talking to the “friendly” Police, they agree the Laws basically ATTACK Law abiding Citizens because criminals do not follow the Law. With so many “armed” Club members, some with bigger calibre firearms than Police carry, they say they are not at all concerned or intimidated by us, because we follow the Law and jump through so many hoops to get and keep our firearms - its the criminals they worry about but acknowledge the focus of their attention is “directed” by the “seat warmers” at people who basically do nothing wrong - its easier and the statistics “look” better.

[@DeusNyx]

NEVER tell a Cop you carry ANYTHING for self-defence. Not even a metal Pen(al lá kubotan.) In the UK, you're not allowed to carry something to intentionally defend yourself with. Sad isn't it. We live in an age where grape gangs exist, grape reports are on the rise and all that that venerable folk are allowed to carry is a grape alarm. Ug. I'd just like to finish off by saying, Mr BBB, you provide valuable advice to us commoners(😂.) Also, that knife made by Marcus is just beautiful!😍

[@martineyles]

People were arrested for carrying alarms recently.

[@ony583]

I don't like grapes.

[@DeusNyx]

@@martineyles I had to check this out, I thought you were joking! Police arrested 3 folk for intent to disturb, it turns out they were promoting women's safety, funded by the local council. You'd think the police would do their homework....

[@sahhull]

What of your alarm causes alarm and distress to the scumbags that are wishing to culturally enrich you. Depending on the demographic scumbag is from.... You could end up in serious trouble.

[@Dehydratedpencil]

​@@gregoryhouse5240 What about a shotgun?

[@Matt_Alaric]

Criminalising weapons means only criminals will have weapons. You don't make criminals less dangerous by making normal people easier to victimise.

[@roberthardy3090]

How I miss the innocence of my youth, playing splits with our penknives on the school fields during our lunch breaks.

[@JAmediaUK]

I had a Leatherman removed at a police check. It was in a video camera bag with batteries, microphones and a camera (we were doing journalism). The Leatherman is a useful tool. The knife blade is also useful when working as a film crew. It is made more dangerous to the user because it doesn't lock.

[@siypic]

Used a swiis army knife for cutting rolls of white background paper during a photo shoot..... not as good as a leatherman (which i have) for the reasons you stated.. just thought it was safer in London.

[@JAmediaUK]

@@siypic I have broken several Swiss army knives because they are, as you say, not as good as Leatherman tools. It was my own fault, really, as the police check was at the entrance to the Palace of Westminster. We were going to interview several Cabinet Ministers. I have seen security (at an airport) object to a Swiss army knife carried by a photographer. The knife was a modern one with a USB stick as one of the utilities! (never seen one like that before or since) The only way they could get though was to either beak off the blade or just break off the memory stick. I have no idea what happened in the end.

[@norfolknomad]

I have a leatherman and it’s always on my belt. It’s considered and used as a tool.

[@chanabhaji2726]

The leatherman bond has a non locking sub 3 inch blade. This model is the only leatherman that is considered to be perfectly legal for use here in the UK.

[@carolramsey6287]

In America locking bladed knives are called safety knives. Guess why?

[@keithwesley2471]

Many different objects in the 'wrong hands' can be used as a weapon. Some far more dangerous than a knife!

[@JAmediaUK]

A Biro is far more dangerous than a knife in many cases. (and I don't mean for writing with)

[@mathewgurney2033]

I learned early studying Judo that the most terrible weapons you have are the brick wall next to you and the kerb you are standing on, they are indomitable and awfully final. A person committed to a single melee weapon is inferior to a combatant who aims to use his entire environment, it is best to remain flexible.

[@davidpowell6098]

@@mathewgurney2033 Absolutely correct, anything in your environment is a weapon.

[@jhferu]

Anyone who thinks that 'to eat food' is not a good reason to carry a knife and fork, has never tried to eat with a disposable wooden fork. Also, a wooden or plastic disposable knife is just as much a bladed article as a steak knife.

[@maxlutz3674]

@@jhferu Surprisingly many people think that carrying your own cuttlery makes you a thug intending to harm people. We have many stands where take away food like sausage with curry sauce and french fries. You take a plastik fork from a basket and have to poke around a little to get a single one. After asking a buddy what he thinks how many of the other customers did not wash their hands after a toilet break he got his own set too. Isn´t there an anectode about an army ranger who killed an oppenent with a plastic MRE spoon? Most people would not even bother to ask why you carry a spoon.

[@paulkemp8520]

Wow, are the pigs getting sales training to actually frame people now? Wtf? I used to carry an officer Swiss as it was generally useful and i used it daily in work. When tve law changed in 2015 I decided, while totally legal, and legitimately carried as a tool (honestly i would do more damage quicker with my hands than search for my knife), i decided it wasnt worth it. And now they are declaring war against honest people... bloody disgusting

[@angelofmalice0]

I was actually asked this in Nottingham years ago, got stopped walking past some sort of protest or demonstration, and I was asked to stop so the police could do a search. Tbf I was dressed in all black with a rucksack on but I had just come off work. At the time I was carrying a small locking knife much like the one in the video but much older and with a wooden handle. They pull it out and they start asking, “you do realise it’s an offensive weapon?”. I explained that it wasn’t due to the size of the blade and it’s not serrated, but they weren’t having it and they started asking “well it is a weapon, it could be used as a weapon?”. Seeing their line of reasoning, I asked them to reach into my back a grab my phone charger and hand it to me, they did. I am not it entirely sure why I said this but I was annoyed at this point and need to catch a train so I asked “do you consider this to be a weapon?” Holding out the phone charger, they say no obviously, “well that’s just it, I could probably kill you more effectively with this phone charger than with this box cutter. This knife would find it difficult to get through your stab vest because of the size of the blade, but I could very easily wrap this cable around your exposed neck, lean you back onto my knee and chock you until you died. So why aren’t you asking me about the charger”. No answer, and we stood there in silence for what seemed for a couple of minutes but was probably only 30 seconds, and the Duty Sargent comes over and asked what’s going on, because there was now 4 or 5 officers standing around me not doing much, they show him the blade, he asked me why do you have it, I said it’s to cut open packages at work and I will take it camping or fishing. Unimpressed, he says “yeah that’s fine give him his bag” and off I went. I had the feeling they had spent the day in the city centre looking for people to get and they got nothing so far, so when they found me with a knife they were determined to try and get one, so the day isn’t wasted.

[@rickys7435]

The fact it was locking makes it illegal without a good reason to have it. They were right to question you.

[@lextex3280]

Thankfully criminals obey the law. 🤣.

[@charliedurnford3277]

Exactly! I’m sure violent criminals whom are willing to kill/wound innocent people will have great qualms about carrying banned tools 🙄. It’s disturbing how irrational the those in government are because they have the ability to coerce millions.

[@TheBrothermark]

Wow ... I had no idea pocket knives were so regulated in the UK. My Buck knife in the right pants pocket has been part of getting dressed in the morning for over 50 yrs. It's been replaced twice from wear because I use it every day. I don't even think about it and it's jail time over there

[@julianshepherd2038]

A fine not jail. We don't jail everyone just so the prison companies can profit.

[@patrickriarchy6054]

​@@julianshepherd2038 Yeah multiple fines make much more sense and don't achieve the same end...

[@julianshepherd2038]

@@patrickriarchy6054 do it more than once and you might get jailed, lose your job and home and meet lots of criminals.

[@patrickriarchy6054]

@@julianshepherd2038 So tell me again about how that doesn't support a prison industrial complex?. As you were implying in your previous comment

[@Doobster67]

Over here in the UK we have such a high percentage of bootlickers and order followers that we just bend over and accept ANY law they make up. I am so ashamed!

[@matthewoconnell4700]

Carried a knife since I was 8 years old, I'm nearly 50 now, when we were kids everyone carried a knife, we lived in the countryside, no one ever used it as a weapon we used them to make dens, bows and arrows etc, such a shame how things have gone.

[@johnnunn8688]

Yep. I also carried an air rifle or pistol, uncovered, between home and where I was going to shoot it, never a problem.

[@matthewoconnell4700]

@@johnnunn8688 same! I actually bought my first motorbike a DT50 with proceeds from rabbit shooting, used to sell them to the OAPs in the village a £1 a rabbit :)

[@johnnunn8688]

@@matthewoconnell4700 DT50, top bike.

[@Hudd413]

Lol.. "no officer this knife is not a weapon", "what about the bow and arrow" "ermm..."

[@AngloSaxon-yx8tk]

@@Hudd413: That depends on whether you're a kid or not.

[@charlessalmond7076]

I feel for you sir. I live in Georgia. A southern state in the US. The police might question me about my 37mm thumper, never had them bat an eye at my pocket knife. I also always have a Leatherman Wave+ on my belt. I don't think I could live like your forced to. Fair winds, sir.

[@brianroyster7510]

But one would think that common sense could find a middle ground. In Georgia, like here in AL, you can openly carry an AR-15. That's fucking insane. The UK may be wound a little too tight. But the US is off the deep end crazy with what people think is needed for self defense.

[@Dreyno]

Murder rate in the U.K. : 1.2 per 100,000. Murder rate in the state of Georgia: 8.8 per 100,000. I don’t think I could live like you’re forced to.

[@warwickscram1656]

Tell that to the McMichaels, who got stitched up for actually using their firearms to defend their community from a burglar. You might have the right to own weapons but good luck actually using them without getting locked up for life.

[@frontenac5083]

*you're

[@charlessalmond7076]

@@frontenac5083 i was kicked out of high school. The fact that you can read my ramblings is, a minor miracle.

[@Jakoshdw]

As someone from the USA who was a Boyscout and who works in retail for a Grocery store... I can't imagine not having at the very least my Victorinox Explorer at all times. (I have a large collection with different shapes, deployment methods, and lock types that I rotate through daily.) I've regularly cut heavy cardboard boxes, foam cartons, pallet wrap, and plastic strapping during a work day. I'd feel partly undressed without a knife clipped to a pocket.

[@charlessalmond7076]

Carpenter here. Pocket knife and a multi tool every day.( and freedom seed dispenser)

[@keithorbell8946]

All of your examples are legal reasons to carry a pocket knife in the UK.

[@Jakoshdw]

@@keithorbell8946 - I should mention mine are generally over 3 inches and locking. Part of the enjoyment of having a huge collection of pocket knives is that I have many different types. Fidgety Button locks are a personal favorite... but would fall under "flick knives" in the UK? In addition to being tools... a fidgety knife also serves as a "fidget toy" to burn off excess nervous energy and help me focus. It's sad that personal freedoms of our overseas friends have been so restricted that it isn't an option. So much so... that random citizens going about their daily lives can have the constables called on them for just having a "Legal" knife.

[@Curly_Maple]

​@@keithorbell8946- The fact that you need a legal reason is the point I think. This all seems alarmingly dystopian to many of us.

[@keithorbell8946]

@@Curly_Maple dystopian to those of you in certain parts of the USA?

[@007JHS]

When I was a kid everyone had a pocket knife, pen-knife, jack knife in their pocket. Later growing up in Australia never went anywhere in the bush without a sizeable knife or a hatchet.

[@Phoenix2312]

I grew up in the UK in the 1970's... And while I was never in the Scouts, I do know that Children were taught responsible use of a Swiss Army Knife as part of being a "Cub" You know... Its funny how you look back and while Knife crime was still an issue - It was less of an issue back then! Its almost as though EDUCATION IS KEY!

[@Matt-jk1kr]

​@@Phoenix2312in the 70's there were a lot less of a certain people in the UK, the same people that commit most of the knife crime.

[@Phoenix2312]

@@Matt-jk1kr I would like to agree with you, but I think you will find that if you look at statistics, That's probably incorrect... In fact, Ironically - You know they complain about Institutional Racism... Its one of the things that proves it - The Majority of Caucasians caught with Knives or committing a Knife Crime also end up caught and end up in Jail... Because its easy to tell us apart! Yeah, Genuinely we do have to go down that road... Also, many PoC who are involved in crimes such as that are also often involved in gangs, and teh gangs stick together - there is heavy distrust of police.. so communities club together... The actual numbers are closer to a 50/50 split depending on area, London having more PoC related Knife Crime's than most of the UK... with many PoC hitting headlines because of Political Issues as well as the fact that quite genuinely, Most PoC look very similar... I mean, Lets be frank here - They have still never charged anyone for teh Attempted Murder of BLM Activist Sasha Johnson - In fact, no one even speaks about her anymore as the Aggressors were BLACK MEN! She is still alive by the way - I did not like her but keep an eye on it - Still Comatose, Still in a Hospital Bed... So, I am NOT defending those you speak of... Oh hell no! The fact her family still have no justice says it all... But Reality states that its not as clear cut as you may wish it was...

[@nickgood8166]

​@@Phoenix2312No... It's demographics.

[@Phoenix2312]

@@nickgood8166 Care to explain?

[@vensheaalara]

I'm in the southern US. I was puzzled when this video popped up in my feed. I carry a knife everyday and have multiple blades for multiple purposes. These are tools, but tools can be used as weapons. Hell, bricks have been used as weapons. It's difficult for me to believe there are patrolling knife nazis out there.

[@cyberherbalist]

In the UK, if you carry a rock in your pocket, the police might confiscate it because it could be used as a weapon.

[@sookibeulah9331]

@@cyberherbalist indeed it’s all about being able to demonstrating a legitimate purpose for carrying the item.

[@vensheaalara]

@@cyberherbalist that's crazy man.

[@davidstewart7951]

Believe it! The Met Police love it, when they find some small tool on you and exploit it as if you have committed a massacre.

[@juliusgonzo7527]

My God, what have we come to !? Having a weapon of defence in case you or family are under attack is prohibited. Insane, simply insane...

[@jabrel3]

It’s so sad to see this and what carrying is like in the UK. I can’t even imagine this. Absolutely terrible. Sorry for anyone who lives there.

[@HorusHerotic]

I honestly can't imagine how it looks to those outside the UK. I was born and raised here and I feel shame at the pathetic excuse for mature adults you see here. Pompous overreaching authorities, controlling infantile weak citizens. God bless The USA

[@JurassicRod]

The UK is terrible now. You can barely move without instructions, cameras monitoring you etc.

[@DMC888]

It’s pathetic. Woman cannot even carry pepper spray which could save their life.

[@sookibeulah9331]

Conversely, a number of years ago I went to a self defence course for women run by the local police station in London and they told us all sort of ways to carry something for defence and avoid it being classed as an offensive weapon. It’s simply about the mindset of why it’s being carried. As I was at fashion college at the time I learned it was perfectly legal for me to carry around 9” blades in the form of fabric shears. Couldn’t carry those now but I do know what I can carry if I chose to and remain on the right side of the law.

[@Phoenix2312]

It is sad Gabe... Unfortunately, we do have a serious issue with Knife Crime... As much as we in the UK look at America when it has a "Mass Shooting" and tut and curse... We have the same issue only with Knives! The vast majority of people... Myself included, May carry a small blade for Work purposes... But it can easily place us in legal trouble... And its all because of a Minority! The same as in the the USA, The vast majority are very responsible when it comes to owning and carrying Firearms ... The reason we are always so horrified when a mass shooting happens is that it is still very rare! Both the USA and UK face the same issue... How do you stop that Minority... The Answers are far more complicated than people think... Even if Guns were banned in the USA, those who wish to cause harm would use Knives instead, or Cars, or Trucks... Dealing with the "Weapon" is NOT the way forward - Its finding out how and why people feel this is their only course of action and correcting that issue... ... The problem is, Those issues are often Economic! Lack of employment, Lack of a meaningful life, lack of a future, lack of hope, lack of funds, and repairing that also means getting Industry back in to the US and UK... Providing meaningful work in our countries, but that also means companies have to pay more as its cheaper to have most of the work done in lets say China! So as we have done many times in the past, We keep running in circles...

[@malfunction8165]

I was stopped by the police in London and asked did I have a knife on me, I said no, they said I'd better get one.

[@douglasclerk2764]

Of course they did - they need an excuse to arrest you and you should be considerate and give them one.

[@leonardhpls6]

Don't talk waffle you plant pot

[@ddoherty5956]

Boom boom 🤣

[@beaulieuc8910]

@@ddoherty5956 haha

[@warwickscram1656]

But Luton is a vibrant, multicultural paradise. Why would you be unsafe there?

[@redpillnibbler4423]

Picking up a rock or a stick would be a more effective weapon than using a tiny folding knife.

[@wheeliebin18]

A frying pan is more dangerous than a non-locking knife.

[@redpillnibbler4423]

@@wheeliebin18 So is a brick.

[@markb5403]

Every single caveat I read in legal advice seems to be concerned with not letting the police entrap you. It's such a shame the UK police are more concerned with entrapment of law abiding people than they are with dealing with actual real threats to society. Fantastic advice as ever from BBB.

[@user-jh8no1zb9e]

its so much easier for them just to trip people up than doing real work - what cop worth anything would be concerned with such trivial crap as to whether you knife locks to prevent the blade closing on your finger

[@dmitribovski1292]

I always use "the law clearly states I don't need a reason"

[@julianshepherd2038]

Possession of a multi-tool incorporating a prohibited blade or pointed article is capable of being an offence under this section even if there are other tools on the instrument, which may be of use to a person in a public place, for example a screwdriver or a can opener. It is for the person to prove on the balance of probabilities that they have a good reason for possession. The ban is not total, it is for the person in possession of such an instrument to prove on the balance of probabilities that they had good reason for its possession. It will have to be genuine, for example, someone back packing across the Lake District may reasonably be expected to have a knife for the preparation of meals. It will be far more difficult to justify on the streets of a city or town, but there will be occasions when someone is genuinely going to a martial arts sport or scout meeting which is easily checked.

[@dmitribovski1292]

@@julianshepherd2038 I have a Cybertool 41 a Swiss army knife with a multi bit screwdriver its all legal without needing a reason. But he is correct the do try to get you with the could it be used as a weapon if you are attacked.

[@omnomshibob]

​@@julianshepherd2038 if the blade is less than 3" and doesn't lock then you do not need a reason to carry it. You can be carrying it purely because it is exempt from the law regarding bladed articles.

[@roberthardy3090]

@@dmitribovski1292 The whole thing is so absurd, other than as a blunt instrument for jabbing in an eye a multitool, locking blade or not, would be an utterly useless self defence weapon, by the time you had managed to unfold it and extract the knife blade, broken fingernails and all, the domestic kitchen knife wielding attacker would have made a colander of you

[@CdEmm50]

@@omnomshibob And Julian could have looked that up in twenty seconds if only he possessed a functioning brain.

[@XEN0CRACY]

As a UK citizen who does carry (a perfectly legal) pocket knife, but wishes I could ya'know, have the option to not fear for my fingers when using a slip joint, I quite dislike our knife laws, especially considering that practically all knife crime is done with bladed objects well outside the realm of pocket knives (e.g. "zombie knives", machetes and kitchen knives). Anybody have any thoughts on the plausibility of these laws ever being adjusted?

[@StillLivinginthewoods]

Why are the police in the UK so concerned with making sure that citizens are incapable of defending themselves to begin with???

[@comfusedpassanger3399]

I live in a European country and I was stopped by the police in a knife search. On my key handle I had a little slip joint "knife". The result was a huge fine of several hundred Euros... And when reading the experiences of others, we see that they go as far as possible. As well as that they have deprived us of the right of self-defense.

[@bernardhessley9599]

Sad

[@ogi22]

I wonder what country... I sometimes visit Germany or Austria and i always carry at least one folding blade in my pants, small Swiss army knife and a multitool in my bag. I live in Poland and i never had a problem with a police, however i had to argue a couple times wih security in big companies. I work as a tech for warehouse automation. I used to carry Mora on the side of my work pants (Snickers have a special holder on the leg designed for a blade like Mora). Recently i changed it to a folding knife just not to tease security too much, but i also carry it in the same holder.

[@JacksNephew]

That's so sad, and also illustrative of the vast differences in knife laws from one country to another. Not to rub salt in your wound, but where I live (Texas) it's pretty much taken for granted that any man you see on the street will have a knife in his pocket or on his belt. In fact, we tend to raise a suspicious eyebrow if someone does NOT have a blade somewhere on his person, as if that absence was symptomatic of some deep character deficiency. 🙂

[@hypo345]

There is your mistake using a knife or even thinking about it for self defence shows that you would be prepared to use it to hurt others.

[@comfusedpassanger3399]

@@hypo345 You have misunderstood the principle. I am not allowed to carry a knife, not even a keychain knife. Forget use or self-defense, it means imprisonment...

[@jtscustomcutlery317]

It’s so odd hearing This as an American. Considering where I live, I could carry around a katana legally if I really wanted to. I feel for y’all I really do

[@NJRey]

Same here, in my country you can carry a machete wrapped in newspaper, so, as long as it is "holstered", meaning the edge is covered, there is no problem 😂... These brits have pretty sup!d little laws

[@warwickscram1656]

You also have militarized police who routinely use extreme violence against innocent people.

[@HorusHerotic]

​@@NJRey we have stupid people mostly.

[@mrglasses8953]

@@warwickscram1656 So does the UK

[@warwickscram1656]

@@mrglasses8953 Not really. The average cop in the UK is a complete bitch.

[@tristanmorgan852]

I don't understand why they don't want people to have a locking knife. It locks because it cannot fold into your own fingers when you're using it. Folding one's are a pain to use as a tool but as a so called weapon they are exactly as bad

[@warwickscram1656]

The story I heard is that someone tried using 'it's a legal folding knife' as a defence in court. The judge however ruled that 'It's not a folding knife if it locks' and the defendant was found gullty. Maybe Black Belt Barrister knows the case in question or maybe it's just an urban legend.

[@skywardsoul1178]

@@warwickscram1656 It's stated in the law that if it locks, then it's not legal. The law contradicts itself though as it says previously that a folding knife is legal.

[@Smatnm]

@@skywardsoul1178 The locking aspect was a result of case law. The initial legislation mentioned “folding” knives to differentiate them from the sliding Stanley style knives that were being used by certain criminal elements at the time to harm each other. The case law that brought in lock knives not being classed as folding was around 1995-7, and was the result of the police wanting to convict a less than desirable individual, a poor defence and flawed appeal. Due to it going to the appeal courts, it now can only be overturned by the Supreme Court or an act of parliament.

[@frontenac5083]

*ones

[@joeschmoe2199]

I'd highly recommend if you're stopped and found to be carrying a 100 percent legal knife not to explain yourself at all. You don't need to. Even if this leads to your arrest, you are an innocent person. Do not lose sight of your innocence and stand strongly to uphold your right

[@ianhill4585]

Yep, it's a legal carry, and it's up to them to prove "intent" to use as a weapon. And of course no sane person would admit to thinking of using it as a weapon--- would they!? ........ 😮

[@SW0000A]

I carry my clinch pick specifically for self defense. I also have a locking knife on my multitool. Also carry pepper spray. I even carry a gun when i am able. Gotta have all the tools you need on you.

[@philsterboyy]

More people should be willing to adopt your defensive mindset. There are rare, but legitimate situations in which a clinch pick or similar could save your life. And of course with proper trainings

[@WessexBladesHandMadeKnives]

A Question please... having been asked by a "Police Officer Person" if you would consider it a weapon and we all answer " Nope , itsa Tool innit.." what recourse could we have having been asked/coerced that question if we feel it was a kind of "verbal entrapment" by a Officer hellbent on a conviction solely for improved "arrest figures " for the region, if we genuinely could feel the malicious intent behind the questioning?

[@ony583]

None, the Police are allowed to be coercive like that, what you say can/will be used against you, regardless of the question being asked. I agree it's a form of verbal entrapment, but that's the police for you, the best option is to just say nothing imo, you're not obliged to answer any questions unless you've been read your rights and are sitting in an interview room, and even then you have the right to remain silent, but as long as the knife isn't illegal, there's no reason for it to get that far.

[@mathewgurney2033]

The best thing to say to the cops is .....

[@davidpowell5437]

No, I carry it for religous reasons Officer. It protects me from blaspheming when confronted with those little packets of condiments

[@julianshepherd2038]

Possession of a multi-tool incorporating a prohibited blade or pointed article is capable of being an offence under this section even if there are other tools on the instrument, which may be of use to a person in a public place, for example a screwdriver or a can opener. It is for the person to prove on the balance of probabilities that they have a good reason for possession. The ban is not total, it is for the person in possession of such an instrument to prove on the balance of probabilities that they had good reason for its possession. It will have to be genuine, for example, someone back packing across the Lake District may reasonably be expected to have a knife for the preparation of meals. It will be far more difficult to justify on the streets of a city or town, but there will be occasions when someone is genuinely going to a martial arts sport or scout meeting which is easily checked.

[@davidpowell6098]

@@davidpowell5437 Hello ,namesake, stay safe, and well, my friend.

[@JurassicRod]

I find the best thing to say to a police officer if they ask you anything is nothing. They are always looking for anything they can twist to use against you.

[@legacywatchguy8333]

This is so strange to me as a born and bred American from the "Outback" of Oregon. I carry a locking clip knife every day...a lot of the guys I work with do. It's a professional medical business and nobody gives it a second thought, and I use it, at work, for all kinds of things. I'm in my sixties, and they way I grew up is admittedly different. In my rural school, many of us had weapons in our cars on school grounds. We lived in the country, we hunted and fished, and we would fist-fight on school grounds or in the halls if issues needed to be dealt with...but none of us feared for our lives and we got a great education that found many of us as college graduates. It's such a sad, strange new world. By the way...that's an amazing, um, "tool" your friend made you. I hope all you do is sharpen pencils with it...

[@thomascking]

The problem I have with "would you agree this could be considered a weapon?" is it's about possibility. Could means non-zero probability. So yes, anything could be considered as a weapon, and that probability increases with the density of the person doing the considering. Would such a flakey question really lead to an arrest and prosecution? Because that's ridiculous.

[@mathewgurney2033]

Damnit, the loss of several lovely blades and axes in ponds, forests, thieving employers and police lockboxes or drunkenly forgotten to reclaim from bouncers around this country have been some of my most depressing moments. Once found a beautiful red clasped knife at the bottom of a Spanish river as a child, always found them fascinating. I don't carry one any more, makes me sad to lose them.

[@Islacrusez]

The police around my way gleefully patted themselves on the back for putting some historical artefacts through the shredder, including a scout knife from the Boer War.

[@oldplucker1]

I always carry a multitool with small folding blade. Really useful. I use it many times a day for opening packages, cutting off tags on clothing, removing loose threads on clothes, cleaning my nails, cutting off broken fingernails and thousands of other uses! It has saved the day many a time. The scissors are really useful too. Battery compartments often have a screw holding them down so the screwdriver and blade can undo small screws.

[@alanthomson1227]

Remember 55 years ago as a Boy Scout we all had 5 inch + sheath knives in our belts and 6inch skein dhus in our socks

[@stereodreamer23]

The UK has literally returned to Medieval Serfdom...

[@jamesbay7534]

Wow, I never realized the knife laws in the UK were so crazy!!! I carry a 7 inch fixed blade with me and at least one folder at all times for everything from trimming my nails to self defense lol!!! I am a part time knife dealer and often carry a roll on me as well!!! The old saying is that the loser of a knife fight dies on the spot and the winner dies at the hospital!!! So far I have yet to lose one and am still alive lol!!! Please tell me what in the world led to such insane knife laws in the UK???

[@wayneholmes637]

I usually edc a Fällkniven PC, F1 or A1, a SAK (climber I think) and a leatherman Rebar. Then again my time is divided between Germany and Cambodia where it is legal (police in Cambodia are dodgy though). I also use them all regularly both for planned and unexpected tasks. When visiting the UK it's SAK only which sucks big time.

[@omnomshibob]

Massive increase in knife crime over the last couple of decades. Its just like California and New York doing everything they can to keep firearms out of law abiding citizens hands to prevent criminals from using them. Same reasoning with the UK and knives, criminals are stabbing people, and each other, so let's make more laws for them to ignore.

[@linda6987]

My nephew stole my older brother’s Swiss Army knife and took it to school. He is 10. He got a escorted to the principals office by the police. He got suspended for days. Apparently the knife laws over here are more strict.... I was very angry! The blade was maybe 2 inches. He thought it was “cool”. It truly was innocent. Thank you for the share!

[@charlessalmond7076]

In the 80's in America my teachers would ask students to borrow a knife to cut random things. Never had any issues/repercussions from loaning a teacher a knife. Things are different now here, as well.

[@JAMESWUERTELE]

@@charlessalmond7076I grew up in the 80’s, things to me were lame at the time. I miss the 80’s and 90’s now.

[@tuftistump]

Its so refreshing having someone such as your self involved with law that is also a knife enthusiast with the best intentions at heart for other enthusiasts 👌👌👌

[@H4WK6969]

Police told me the UKPK is an offensive weapon. I tried to explain how its a penknife designed for the UK market to be completely legal to own but i was told if i didnt give police permission to destroy it i would be arrested for possession of an offensive weapon, even though the knife was taken from my home and not found on my person in public. I decided not to argue because i had been locked up for 14hrs a few days beforehand because some woman a barely know told vicious lies about me.

[@Rapscallion2009]

I've been stop searched before whilst carrying a multitool with things like knives, screwdrivers, spanner etc built in to it. I was cycling to work and carrying it in case i needed to fix the bike. I used used the knife to open food packets and things. It's just useful and the fuzz couldnt be less interested, frankly.

[@patrickriarchy6054]

That's the problem, when they're allowed to just stop and confiscate these tools they will.

[@TheRealSwampOperator]

What did they stop you for? Do tell

[@HorusHerotic]

And what if they were interested?

[@johnnunn8688]

@@TheRealSwampOperatorbecause he’s a rapscallion?

[@LaurenceOConnor-fg4dk]

Excellent clarification on carrying knifes in public spaces.

[@24934637]

I'm in a fairly unusual position that if I get searched and the police ask me if my knife is a weapon, I can categorically state that my knife wasn't designed or made as a weapon. Purely because I am the designer, and maker. In the past, I've been stopped while carrying a 14 inch kukri, and it wasn't a problem. I had good reason to be carrying it.

[@sf2201]

On a similar line, I fly regularly through various airports, for many years I had a 3" adjustable spanner on my key ring (very useful for small gas analysis gear fitting), pre 7/11 this was never an issue, for about 2 years later it was still fine and was shown openly at security checks. Then suddenly at Aberdeen airport they decided it was an offensive weapon and not allowed on a plane, despite it being fine at Heathrow 2 weeks previously or at the same airport 3 weeks earlier. It was confiscated which was a pain as I had had it for years.

[@NeillWylie]

It's beginning to seem that in order to avoid prosecution in the U.K. you have to carry around a dictionary to scrutinise every word you say. Even then, if you take too long to do so you can probably be arrested for that also.

[@sahhull]

The magic... Wasting police time. Funny since they dont have issues with wasting time any other time

[@michaelmiller641]

The Oxford English Dictionary can be considered an offensive weapon in the right hands!

[@bertrandrussell894]

I imagine the open carrying of machetes would be a more useful use of police time than challenging people who use tools like that, as I do.

[@MERVILLE3]

How do you get in to a packet of bacon without one?😮

[@mrglasses8953]

Machetes are also tools though. Tree surgeons and gardeners will have a few

[@dustinroberson1865]

The state of Michigan law mentions that "a person, with intent to use the knife unlawfully against another, shall not go armed with a knife having a blade over 3 inches in length." To me, that would mean in my state, as long as you have no intent to cause harm with it (ie self defense), then you could carry any size knife. Just make sure that if you are asked about it, you don't say that it's for self defense. "It's my general carry knife in case I need to open a package for my son, or cut open a box." Something along those lines. Edit: I would also interpret that to mean I can carry a knife less than 3" for self defense in the state of Michigan.

[@IMBlakeley]

Got stopped some years ago by a copper as I came back on my motorcycle from France. Her "Are you carrying any knives?" Me "Yes" Her "Right, where are they?" Me "Wrapped up in my tent, with the rest of my cooking gear" Her face dropped like a stone once she realised I had a perfectly legitimate reason to have knives.

[@kathyotoole4608]

I carried a Leatherman in my work purse for many years. I used it all the time!

[@highmyope-ps2by]

My husband had a 2 cm long Swiss Army style knife. It had tiny scissors which were useful. Security at San Francisco Airport confiscated it, deeming it too dangerous to take on the plane.

[@JAmediaUK]

Sounds reasonable to me! Your husband might have unscrewed the wings whilst the aircraft was in flight. Worse still, he might have been able to open the Airline Food packages and consumed them. So security might have saved him from a fate worse than death: Airline food. :-)

[@17losttrout]

@@JAmediaUK Quite right - he might've trimmed his toenails, too!

[@JAmediaUK]

@@17losttrout The Horror! That should be a hanging offence if done in public!!! :-)

[@17losttrout]

@@JAmediaUK That's a little extreme. Hacking his foot of would be deterrent enough.

[@JAmediaUK]

@@17losttrout fair enough. :-)

[@scottwilliams8334]

I've carried a pocket knife since I was 6 years old. I'm now 70. Numerous times a day I need a knife. Can't imagine not having a knife in my pocket.

[@timdoyon1964]

If a cop ever asked me why I carry a pocket knife, I’d tell him it was none of his business. That being said, I live in Oklahoma, USA, where we can carry any knife we want. They don’t become illegal unless you use it in the commission of a crime. I have a collection of over a hundred knives, which includes flipper, switchblade, gravity, automatic OTF, butterfly and manual folders. They range in price from $50 to $600. I always have a knife in my pocket, and have never had a problem from anyone.

[@DanzigDemento]

Being a Texan that has carried a large locking pocket knife and a pistol daily the last 20 or so years now, this video seems it’s from an Orwellian hellscape.

[@AndreMonthy]

Yep. Make sure you don't lose the 2A. The US is the only major country left with this right.

[@HorusHerotic]

It's a shame most of my countrymen don't feel the same. Worse then the politicians are the useful idiots who not only obey this infantile bs, but support their overlords with glee. God bless America.

[@sookibeulah9331]

Though I’d say children needing to do Active Shooter Drills at school is certainly a hellscape

[@AndreMonthy]

@@sookibeulah9331 Why would you let the state educate your children in the first place.

[@sookibeulah9331]

@@AndreMonthy great deflection to avoid justifying the need to be the only country in the world with active shooter drills for children. Secondly, there’s plenty of countries state education is first rate. That’s just yet another failing of the US.

[@TheWtfnonamez]

Beautiful knife. Thank you for the great advice. The whole "causing fear of violence" seems to be the new catch-all means to formulate arrests where no crime is being committed. Its like the police are creating a "hostile environment" for ANY edc or reasonable grounds to carry a knife. I use knives a lot when camping and its got to the point where transporting it and using it has become a cause for massive concern. Just getting it out to whittle a tent peg might mean that some nervous ninny could see it and call the cops, and their anxiety might be used to make the case that I caused "fear of violence". I am making up some credit card sized laminated crib cards to carry in my wallet. Im printing on them basic stuff like the key sections of the law, and a statement to the effect that "I am carrying this knife from my home to a location where I will be using it for bushcraft, then returning it directly home. I am carrying it as a bushcraft tool and for no other purpose". My logic is that if the officer is "confused" about the reasonable grounds exceptions I can show them, to indicate that there will be counter evidence of lawful compliance should the officer get cheeky, and also to give me something to present if I am being pressured into making responses.... I can read off the card. It sounds excessive but I want to present the image that Im VERY aware of the law, complying by it, and prepared.

[@kathrynwhitby9799]

have any spare ones?

[@TheWtfnonamez]

@@kathrynwhitby9799 Actually I hope Blackbelt Barrister sees this message and considers my idea. I would prefer his wording over mine. I will check to see if he has DM deets.

[@johnstott140]

I totally agree with you and know how it's worrying when ever I go bushcrafting. Hopefully BBB will see this comment and draft a document that will be in a full legal context and have some weight behind it. As I know some police officer's who would take it as a personal offence should you actually quote the law to them. They can be more vindictive under those circumstances.

[@preacherjohn]

It's surprising how much bushcrafting you can do with a non-locking less-than-3-inch blade Swiss Army Knife (SAK) - especially one with a mini saw on it - you can even make wooden wedges that can be used to split wood.. There's an excellent YT channel by a guy called Felix Immler who does loads of cool stuff with just a SAK.. :)

[@becky2235]

That's a really good.idea! If you have a spare one could I please have one? I'll cover the postage. From a fellow outdoor/bushcraft lover!

[@charliemanson4808]

I had this question about a knife I was using to cut rope (an incident happened near by and they asked if I'd witnessed anything) he became quite aggressive asking of I agreed it could be an offensive weapon, my response was to say "see the radio on your shoulder? If I had one like that in my hand and swung it towards you would you class it as a weapon?" Anything can be a weapon, I'd class that hammer there more dangerous. He agreed and buggered off when I said I wasn't willing to further our discussion.

[@Lutonman2010]

I have a folding Stanley knife that locks on my work trousers. Along with a voltage pen, a couple of small screwdrivers and an assortment of marker pens. I use them for work daily. I’ve never even given it a second thought that if I go to the shops after work that might be a criminal act.

[@BigM94sqd]

A newspaper or a magazine can be read or red, and when rolled up becomes a very useful weapon both in attack or self defence. so any object you carry on your person such as your household key can be used in a manner to inflict pain and damage on another person let alone an individual who has been trained in martial arts you are an offensive weapon.

[@cleanhit777]

Exactly, I was going to make the point that a tightly rolled up newspaper makes a very effective weapon, as demonstrated by those who ' supported ' football teams in the 70s and 80s.

[@julianshepherd2038]

I'll have his knife, you have your copy of the Times and let's see who wins.

[@BigM94sqd]

@@julianshepherd2038 you may get hurt actual beaten over the head with my rolled up stick Bush will have first lock your knife out of your hand touché

[@peterturner8766]

I carry a Swiss Army Knife routinely because I am a Scout leader. I doubt it would be effective as a weapon (apart from possibly using the awl as a knuckleduster). I did once turn up at a court (I was not the defendant!) and realised I had forgotten to leave it at home. I was up front about it, explained and said they would retain it at the reception desk and I could collect it when I left.

[@julianshepherd2038]

Try holding it up to someone's throat and tell me that again.

[@leonardhpls6]

"Swiss army knife" is that what you call a victorinox ? Or just a random multi tool? Try learn the name of what you actually carry and how to use it properly. You must be a useless scout leader 😂

[@davidbrianwells2058]

I was charged with carrying an offensive weapon 1.5 inch blade lock knife that I used at work, was given a caution.

[@libramoon9968]

I'm Hawaii, there's some stores starting to put up signs like "no firearms" or "no firearms and weapons".

[@jonathantatler]

I often carry a leatherman wave which I believe is an illegal carry but possibly the most useful tool I own!

[@hudsonbear5038]

It is legal if you have a reasonable excuse(see the BBs other vids) But you will never have a reasonable excuse in a town centre unless you are a tradesmen and using it.. I carry a Wave+ when ever I am working(outdoor instructor/SAR) or out in the countryside. But my general edc when out and about pretending to be a muggle is my SAKs Handyman. Not quite as good or robust but gets the job done most of the time.. As to the wave being "the most Useful tool I own" I could not agree more.. been carrying and using one for over 15 years, even tried many other tools but none came close, when I was in the army the wWave was my most used and must have tool on deployments and even today Its my main tool kit (have the bits and bit extender etc) Love it to bits...

[@roberthardy3090]

I have walked through Kings Cross station with a pair of ice axes strapped to my backsack, my only precaution being to well tape up the picks and adxe. I trusted to the good sense of the police, which largely is rewarded, I have less confidence in the judiciary, an illeducated bunch, few have more than a rudimentary scientific education and many suffer a serious cultural contempt for physical work or those who earn their living by it.

[@reznovvazileski3193]

I used to carry one of those around back in my teens. I just want to imagine the stunlock in the cops face when I answer the reason I was carrying it around truthfully which would be "eating mackrel" :') Me and my best buddy from middle school would go out to the supermarket on long breaks every wednesday when we had our break at the same location of the school, and buy us a whole vacuum sealed mackrel. Then we'd pull out our folding blades, cut it open and scrape it off the bone then pluck the filet off and eat it :P I'm gonna bet that's not their most common answer to that question.

[@simonh6371]

I guess that wasn't in rhe UK. Thw only places I know of selling whole smoked mackerel here are polish shops. Our supermarkets only sell smoked fillets which are not as nice...too dry

[@reznovvazileski3193]

@@simonh6371 Close neighbour overseas, Netherlands :p

[@simonh6371]

@@reznovvazileski3193 I lived yhere 10 years remember buying those mackerels in the Appie. Also kabeljauwlever is impossible to find here. Ik mis NL

[@simonh6371]

I miss HEMA rookworst too

[@reznovvazileski3193]

@@simonh6371 Oh god don't give me ideas I'm fat enough xD

[@kevanparker908]

I own a folding knife I bought from a local dried flower shop! The lady had a kids corner every thing a pound my son loved it. One day when browsing through the stuff that went bang (Caps and cap guns) I spotted this knife a miniature lock knife two and three quarter inches long with a two inch blade, a very well engineered piece of kit. I call it my fruit knife I am seventy so I often need a knife to eat an apple. The blade does lock when you open it so these days I seldom carry it. It is now over twenty years old!

[@vernonwhite4660]

I was a scout and regularly carried a fixed blade knife in a sheath on my scout belt.This was some 65 years ago but was not a problem in those days😊

[@RyanHamley-cl6en]

As an American English law is so laughable When will the sale of ones own freedom stop being sold for the illusion of safety ?

[@skywardsoul1178]

Well, the politicians are creating a safer country to be fair. The UK is a very safe country for criminals like them.

[@MrBillUp]

Did you just say that out loud? 😂🤦‍♂As an Earthling, American law has some of the most ridiculous laws on Earth. The Second Amendment, The Right To Bear Arms - A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. I mean WTF? 👀😁

[@skywardsoul1178]

@@MrBillUp As a non American, very sensible if you ask me. I guess you're one of the "govern me harder" types who's fine with not being able to defend yourself, be a powerless serf to a state, and leave your fate in the hands of others should someone threaten your life?

[@MrBillUp]

@@skywardsoul1178 Strangely enough, I have had my life threatened on numerous occasions over the years, as I am sure millions of people around the world do. Most of the time they are empty threats. The difference is, the person making the threat has no way of following through with it as they are not carrying a fucking gun. The one thing the gun laws in America do though is give me 100's of hours of footage of Police shooting people. Death by firing squad in America is an every day occurrence. Shoot or be shot. Life in most Western Countries has meaning whereas in America its capricious in nature. My point is, you can criticize other countries laws all you like, but at least don't be a hypocrite. The right to bear arms is not a law I want my children growing up in.

[@tornagawn]

The speculative nonsense of UK knife laws is proven to be nonsensical by the reality of UK knife crime. The majority of knives used as weapons are your readily obtained kitchen blades…..I doubt many if any of those carrying quality locking folders such as Spyderco or Benchmade etc would ever contemplate using them defensively or offensively. Once more, stupid laws penalising the majority that do not actually impact whatsoever on the law breaking minority. ps one of my knives is a Spyderco Matriarch. It’s sharp, it’s a locking blade, it is over 3” blade length. But: it is a curved blade designed purely for self defence, it is in mo way a pointy stabby knife, but it would be illegal to carry in the Uk (I’m not based in the UK)

[@JAmediaUK]

You can't carry something "designed purely for self-defence" as it is a weapon by definition. Though the pedant in me is amused that something for self-DFENCE is an OFFENSIVE weapon...

[@tornagawn]

@@JAmediaUK the blade is like a mini scythe, great for cutting weeds!

[@JAmediaUK]

@@tornagawn OK so it can cut weeds. But if I can't use it to unscrew the wings of an airliner in flight what use is it to me? :-)

[@ddoherty5956]

So adapted to cause harm could include having sharpened the blade if the copper is a big enough megalomaniac.

[@majorgrumpybum3161]

I've seen a police officer carrying a larger Spyderco knife

[@quagmirewasere]

Can you tell us why the police carry leathermans as there lockable blade I had mine taken off me on my way to go camping yet both officers had one on there belts

[@markcairns9574]

a tool to cut seatbelts? or other emergency to save the public sounds pretty plausable to me.

[@shuggiemcg1]

@@markcairns9574 still lockable and illegal

[@gokhanbozkurt7186]

@@shuggiemcg1 they carry tasers and guns too...

[@quagmirewasere]

@Mark Cairns I was carrying it for tye purposes of using it as a tool also

[@markcairns9574]

@@quagmirewasere I'd be inclined to put it in a carboard box and wrap it up with gaffer tape and stash it in the rucksack I say this as I bought a sword (without a sharp edge) from a cosplay convention and was told to keep it wrapped up in the box until i get home or it would be an offensive weapon.

[@riddickraymond7067]

They really love not having people able to defend themselves especially when they don't do anything to bring crime down just the opposite.

[@MikaMikaMika89]

I'm ex-police (10 year ago) and "made intended adapted" were the key words for remembering if an offensive weapon was legal or not. Well that and the separate rules for sharps... Excluding all those terrible exceptions that have come out since, which I have no clue on whatsoever.. zombie knives? Etc.. confusing. And I was trained on it. So the officer interrogating you probably has a 10% chance of being confused about it too.

[@RichardEnglander]

I lost my Spyderco in the woods last week 😭😭😭 it was a present from my brother. I loved it, fantastic bit of kit, great design, almost faultless.

[@embersthenashes5120]

Any mates with a metal detector?

[@SussexEDC]

Thanks for sharing this video. It's a very tricky tightrope, to stop knife crime and knives getting into bad chracaters hands, but also allowing sensible use for responsible citizens. I recently put up a poll on my channel exploring the idea of a license for locking knives in the UK and i'd be curious to hear your take on it. I need a locking knife for my job, as a watchmaker, so I do not damage myself or the item being repaired if the blade should move in any way. I carry a knife and other watch tools with me, as I end up doing various repairs when out and about to help people etc. My concern is coming across a police officer who wouldn't understand this reason.

[@JAmediaUK]

As a photo/video journalist, I carry a Leatherman in the camera bag, but the police still don't like it. That the blade is non-locking makes it far more dangerous to me as a working tool. The problem the UK police have is they are looking to the respect of "middle England" which is not good.

[@SussexEDC]

@@JAmediaUK It's a shame when the user is at more risk because of this. The police's hands are tied and I really understand their stance. I just wish there was a way for responsible users to be able to carry these knives without worrying about getting on the wrong side of the law. My poll about a license was based on this conundrum.

[@JAmediaUK]

@@SussexEDC Where is the poll?

[@markkieran1004]

I would caution against any form of licencing. It would be a slippery slope! Locking knives are not illegal to possess - if you need a locking or fixed bladed knife to cut something in a public place because a folder might, er, fold over your fingers, that's a good reason to have one in public. I would strongly object for example, to have to pay £56.00 for a 5 year licence to carry a fixed bladed tool in the boot of my car to be able to do my job.

[@SussexEDC]

​@@markkieran1004You make a good point. I'm just cautious of an officer not accepting my reason. Does @blackbeltbarrister have a take on this?

[@PINACI]

"I don't answer questions" are the only words you ever need to say to police, EVER !

[@leonardhpls6]

You must we one of those special people, bless your cotton socks

[@PINACI]

@@leonardhpls6 You must be one of those boot licking sheepletons, bless you too.

[@pootieheadroflmao]

Be familiar with local laws is all I say. Here in America the laws for knife carrying depends on where you are, and sometimes it depends on jurisdiction too. I live in a state whose laws were changed recently along with the concealed gun carry laws. They kind of saw no point to keeping a concealed knife law intact (which was initially enacted to prevent dueling) when guns are allowed to be carried that way now.

[@This2isLife]

I carry 2 knives at all times. A smaller one sharpened at 15° and a larger one sharpened at 22° for rougher tasks. I also carry a flashlight and an all weather pen. All of these are used more than once daily. I never considered knives as good self defence weapons. They require close up battle which you should avoid at all times in self defence situations. When a cop asks me about them I just ask why they carry theirs. If you like walking out in the world prepared, a pocket knife to me is the most basic kit to improve how you can interact with your surroundings.

[@lordcharfield4529]

To me, the existence of part of the text of this video, the part that deals with police trying to get people to admit the knife they are carrying could be used as a weapon (and therefore trying to ruin their lives under a false premise) demonstrates, yet again, what shtbags the 🐷🐖🐷🐖 are! Very good and extremely useful video. Many thanks as always 👏🙏👍

[@sookibeulah9331]

Conversely I’ve had police, during a police run self defence course, explain how to carry things that could be classed as ‘offensive weapons’ in a way that allowed me and the other women stay on the right side of the law. It’s all about being able to demonstrate legitimate purpose .

[@MervynPartin]

Wise advice, especially with recent incidents of police making up their own laws for convenience. There are many reasons other than self defence for carrying a (folding) pocket knife. To me, it is an essential tool. It may sound silly, but have you ever been to a cafe where you struggle to open a plastic capsule of Flora spread? With increasing arthritis in my hands, they are impossible to open without a blade. This also applies to many other food items that are plastic wrapped. There are other times when a knife is needed for cutting miscellaneous items and even food. When travelling, my Leatherman tool is packed in the checked baggage- I have needed that on several occasions to carry out damage repair to my luggage and other items whilst on holiday. I have also used it for opening cans of food. A problem with folding pocket knives is that the blade can fold back onto ones fingers. In this respect, the law is a complete ass making safety illegal. I believe that in the USA, locking knives are actually termed safety knives.

[@kathrynwhitby9799]

maybe time to buy a personal bodyworn/pocket sized video jobby

[@davidpowell5437]

@@kathrynwhitby9799 Umm - a stealth tax on leaving your house?

[@julianshepherd2038]

In the USA a 50 Cal is considered a toy.

[@sahhull]

@@julianshepherd2038 Grow up.

[@MervynPartin]

@@julianshepherd2038 I'm afraid a 50 Cal is too powerful for me. Even a .308 leaves me with bruises.

[@nd715]

The Nanny state is strong with this place. Just amazing.

[@chrislye8912]

I’ve carried a Swiss Army knife for 35 years, never a problem.

[@docperson8803]

“Why are you carrying a knife?” “I’m not answering questions today.” It really is that simple.

[@balsalmalberto8086]

"These are not my pants" is better response.

[@kevindean9613]

Very interesting about the locking blade ,I do a lot of bikepacking & carry a multi tool knife with plyers etc , the blade is locking to stop it folding back on my fingers ,are you saying this tool is illegal ? ..thank you for your time .

[@thegrumpygeordie9007]

Many years ago I worked in a post room, which required for a lot of opening boxes and the occasionally need for a screwdriver and whatnot, so I carried a leatherman. ONe day at work I was phoned by my girlfriend and basically told he had found someone else. Not being in the best of moods after this call I left work kearlier than intended and went to the park to try to relax. Well long story short I went for a walk then sat on a bench doing my best to enjoy the sun. I was sitting there feeling sorry formyself when I sort of sensed a presence and looked up to find two coppers hurrying towards me. I wasl iterally thinking 'Christ you can't win' They were polite and I was too. They asked if I was alright and told them I was in a rotten fettle due to a break up. They then came straight out and asked if I had a knife. I pulled out my leatherman and explained it was used for work, which I had come directy from. They had a little look at it, asked what the stuff on the blade was (it was the adhesive out of packing tape) and put me detail into the radio and found they'd not had my name in their records since ten years previous when I had a Door Licence. I did ask how they knew to ask if I had a knife, they said they'd had a call saying a big guy was stalking through the park with a knife in his pocket looking like he wanted to start something. I had to laugh at that. I stopped carrying a knife when I moved offices and had no daily use for it.

[@frankgardiner5002]

If you're stopped with a knife which meets the legal requirement ie 3" or less and immediately foldable you don't need to give a reason or explain as to why you're carrying it.

[@CdEmm50]

True, it's easily confirmed by looking up Legal carry knives.

[@mikecurtis1111]

This is what happens when you allow your government to take away your rights.

[@JonathanDickens-kz8oz]

I recently received a police caution that will be kept on record for life i was told, was given £50 fine and required to go to the police station and be fingerprinted after 2 police officers knocked on my door and stated they needed a word. Upon letting them in they told me they believe i had an illegal knife. I offered to take my collection pieces out of their storage box and had 3 seized without record or receipt, 2 locking knives and one non-locking but foldable blade (less than 2.5 inches long). I did not feel it was in my interests to make a fuss and complain as it was made pretty clear they could be a nuisance if i did. Needless to say i'm not happy about losing my knives that were kept in safe storage and have never been taken outside (and when purchased were not advertised as having any locking mechanism but thats another complaint!). I'd be interested on what the law says about police officers entering my home and taking obvious collectors items (not flick knives, swords, zombie, gravity, ballistic or balisong style knives either btw) from storage with absolutely no incident or threats etc preceding this occasion, it was completely out of the blue. Was this legal and what about the fine and fingerprinting? This was during Operation Sceptre in North Staffordshire and i believe they may have used this as a way to boost the numbers of 'seized knives' for the press. Any informed comments by the community would be appreciated. Thanks.

[@colinb5415]

As an electrician working in heavy industry I sometimes have to go to a local supplier to pick up spares. I wear my overalls whilst doing this. In my pockets there are screwdrivers, side cutters and a lock knife. There are also pens, a notebook and rags. Most of these could be used as offensive weapons including the pens if I were to choose to do so. My point is that these are tools of my trade. A non locking knife is more dangerous to me than a locking one and in industry is not allowed as it could fold on me. Some places even insist on self retracting blades on Stanley type knives, so that`s a spring loaded knife.

[@davidpowell5437]

Recent changes in the world have raised a new concern for me. I refer to the continuing displacement of disposable plastic cutlery by wooden utensils. Undoubtedly a good thing, but look where it leaves us. A cheap plastic knife could actually cut a lot of food items. The wooden ones - well I have a wooden school ruler with a finer edge - and of course they are probably stout enough to do some damage if you were to be stabbed with one. What would be better? How about a tiny version of a table knife - I'm thinking of the fruit knife I was entrusted with at a very tender age so that I could learn how to eat fruit politely - and no, we weren't gentry - lots of people resorted to fruit knives simply because they had no teeth. In a world where coffee bars are giving discounts for using your own reuseable cup, why not carry your own reuseable cutlery? Oh yes, it would be illegal. Sometimes I can feel just a hint of what "Nanny State" ranting is about...

[@douglasclerk2764]

A nanny state has an inherent problem: the nanny needs to be competent . . .