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@Concern_Citizen10 ай бұрын
Steph plays as much defense as anyone in the league... and that's NO ONE! No one plays defense when teams are putting up 90+ shots per game. Defense is taking away possessions... period. Hoping the 90 shots per game doesn't go in is NOT defense... as "Hope" is not a defensive strategy. What is defense? Blocking shot attempts, Forcing turn-overs, Taking a Charge and Stealing the Ball. Steph led the league in steals in 2016, and is always towards the top of the list in steals... That's defense. In 2016, Steph had more steals than the next guy with a combination of both Shot Blocks & Steals. He should have been the defensive player of the year, but ignorant bias by sports media talking heads prevented it.
@AJ23-78610 ай бұрын
Every time curry goes to the basket are you surprised that he makes the layup or are you surprised that he misses the layup, most of the times I’m surprised when he misses.
@ShadowKonL10 ай бұрын
Exactly it's so shocking when he miss even the announcers are surprised
@cccbbb444310 ай бұрын
I'm only surprised when they don't call a foul. You can't touch Curry in the paint without a whistle. No way Curry scoring in the paint like this 20 years ago. That's why you can't discount the past legends
@stefano837910 ай бұрын
@@cccbbb4443 you don't watch do you. Curry is fouled almost every time he goes to the hole. Hardly ever gets the call
@azwanazmi148410 ай бұрын
@cccbbb4443 Curry does not get the same calls everyone else does, probably because the refs think it is automatic points.
@StuntmanBeatz31310 ай бұрын
All imma say is, if someone in the 90s went to the NBA Finals 6 times and won 4 championships, (3 being against Jordan himself) in the same era as Michael Jordan, there wouldn’t be much hesitation to put that player in the GOAT debate..
@Jajsnsjsn10 ай бұрын
But for 2 of those they had Hakeem as a teammate. If you’re looking for 90s equivalences and the other one pippen and Rodman were both hurt. Not as impressive as you think it is
@twizzy585ots10 ай бұрын
What player has ever been in that debate that used to legit get isolated and attacked by opposing teams ?....all time great player but not in GOAT convo...and imo he still behind magic man came in the league and went to 9 in 12 years
@StuntmanBeatz31310 ай бұрын
@@Jajsnsjsn you said they had “Hakeem” bringing up teammates like the other player didn’t have elite help too… double standards.. superstar teammates are a detractor to everyone else but one player.. disingenuous
@StuntmanBeatz31310 ай бұрын
@@Jajsnsjsn things are only “not as impressive” cuz all ppl wanna do is compare different things with different standards as if all other variables are equal.. as whole, everyone needs to stop doing that..
@Jajsnsjsn10 ай бұрын
@@StuntmanBeatz313 all I’m saying is that when you have 3 players on a team who have won fmvp and 2 more all stars on top of that. Obviously every superstar needs help but some players need a lot more help than others. Jordan needed pippin but Jordan was the clear 1. Lebron needed d wade and Kyrie but lebron was clear number 1. With kd and Steph kd was the better player he won the fmvp. How can Steph be in goat conversation when has won four finals but only 1 fmvp
@SwypeTee10 ай бұрын
Curry doesn't have the size to be great on def but he has made key steals and rebounds regular season or playoffs
@richie320810 ай бұрын
All I'll say is I can't remember anyone changing the way their sport is played like Curry has changed basketball, then add the rings,mvps and he deserves to be mentioned in any conversation
@lenardcayasso497710 ай бұрын
What mvps
@RickyStyles-xe4zh10 ай бұрын
... your joking right?
@Tlp820310 ай бұрын
MJ
@AndrewKeifer10 ай бұрын
Too much emphasis is being placed on athleticism, there needs to be more of a balance. It's why Larry Legend was constantly stunning other NBA greats and why Curry is nearly always underrated.
@CHAMP_theBULLDOG2710 ай бұрын
Curry didn’t change anything 😂😂😂
@VictorArtache10 ай бұрын
Curry has earned the right to be in the Goat conversation. There is No one today that creates fear in opponents as he does. Best shooters of all time, four championships, changed the way the game is played today. The real Goat is Bill Russell. Eleven Championships, two as player coach, all while playing in a difficult racial period. He could have led the league in scoring in he had to. Finals MVP trophy is named after him. The reason that he is left off the list is because he played years ago.
@dotdottheconnector879510 ай бұрын
Good points across the board
@Zzzap-iu9ee10 ай бұрын
He won those rings when there were 8 teams, not 30!
@greyyb886010 ай бұрын
He played plumbers, and they couldn’t use the crossover during his era
@korReeS210 ай бұрын
He was the tallest in the league at the time 🤦🏾♂️
@DEVILISHLY_DELICIOUS10 ай бұрын
You have to be clutch to be the best shooter ever. Curry isn't. Those 4 rings weren't won, they were gifted to him by injured opponents and durant. Curry deserves zero credit or respect for his fraudulent success. He only deserves credit for pussifying the nba thanks to his fraudulent success for convincing everyone to forget how to be a basketball player and just shoot 3s. Curry is literally the worst thing to ever happen to the NBA.
@tjones877810 ай бұрын
It’s kinda disturbing how people will do anything to push Curry out of the conversation despite all of his achievements
@Sevinxmusic10 ай бұрын
Verrrry
@kimbo877810 ай бұрын
It’s ridiculous!!!!!!
@darrengordon-hill10 ай бұрын
Steve Nash has two MVPs. He was NEVER the best player on the planet.
@MiguelCruz-y3z10 ай бұрын
i love your comment. i completely agree is buging to me to hear some of those sports media. they should know better same thing happens in futbol soccer. Greetings. brother
@MiguelCruz-y3z10 ай бұрын
@@darrengordon-hillbut steve nash wasn't the best shooter of all time and didn' have the impact that curry has in the game and so many things that curry have in his game that nash didn't and even mJ didn't have.
@kevinumber710 ай бұрын
Can we say Bron under-delivered because Curry? Curry exceeded his potential by a mile. LeBron exceeded his (I'm a warriors fan), but kind of stayed on track. I don't think Steph is done winning rings either. Steph is just special. Beyond special
@RKO85910 ай бұрын
Put it this way, Curry BEAT LeBron in the finals more than anyone else in LeBron's era. That's saying something
@melbrown229510 ай бұрын
@@RKO859Precisely…and THIS is quality posting. 👍🏽
@kevinumber710 ай бұрын
@@RKO859 well they're tied, and don't think they know. But, LeBron has been good about it. Curry changed a lot and LeBron was grateful. 2 superstars acting like great people, too
@datsapaddlin10 ай бұрын
@@RKO859 If Lebron beat Curry and was never finals MVP he would definitely get judged differently because his greatness demands more. Just winning is enough for Curry because he over achieved but anyone with eyes knows Lebron was better than him in those series. He the most valuable player in those finals not Steph. They just don’t give it to the losing player other than Jerry West.
@madhavrajesh881210 ай бұрын
@@RKO859Steph had KD with him too. That team was unstoppable. KD was the best player on those teams too. When Steph was without KD, LeBron is 2-1 against him in playoff series (and Bron won the play in matchup too)
@RedPanda5513210 ай бұрын
“Is he in the conversation?” While they’re LITERALLY HAVING THE CONVERSATION! Lmao, so yes, he’s IN the conversation.
@AndYouAre10 ай бұрын
I was just about to say this.
@Daniel-hk6ge10 ай бұрын
They’re having the conversation because of Shaq. No one else brought this up previously. Stop it
@CosminCosyCodes10 ай бұрын
And as you comment in this video you are also having the conversation. You played yourself little boy.@@Daniel-hk6ge
@TheRealMichaelP10 ай бұрын
It’s the conversation about the conversation
@AndYouAre10 ай бұрын
@@Daniel-hk6ge We've seen this many times over. If there was no merit to Shaq bringing it up, then why are there debates? Why are there some on T.V who also say Steph belongs in the conversation? Why are WE now conversating on it? I can't say I would ever put Curry above any of the top 4 players in history, but Curry has done enough to be put in the conversation. I think you can belong there especially if there were elements to your game that has never been done before and those elements was the main factor in winning multiple chips. Ive got Curry as the 2nd best player in his era, right behind LeBron and just ahead of Durant. He's somewhere around the 8th greatest player to ever play to me. To others he's higher and lower. All of it is conversation
@tvegas10110 ай бұрын
I don’t think I’ve ever agreed with Shady before…until today. He Curry take was spot on!!
@melbrown229510 ай бұрын
Yup; he was on point.
@scottthomas672010 ай бұрын
Wow me too
@Johenz10 ай бұрын
His arguments was solid but it didn’t match his points. No one and their momma saying Steph top 3 of all time. If you’re not top 3 how you the goat
@lopaka52610 ай бұрын
Him brushing off Steph being a defensive liability was off.
@jermainee2610 ай бұрын
How do yall Agree with Shady when he literally gave EVERY reason why Jordan NOT the GOAT…. He sounded like a Bron fan, how he the GOAT if Shady just said Jordan didn’t guard the Best Player on the other team? How he the GOAT if he said Jordan easier to defend than Steph…. How do yall agree when it sounds like he agree Steph not Top 5 ALL TIME but got him in the GOAT conversation
@reneeellis438910 ай бұрын
Man don't think i remember this conversation with other players when mj was playing, it was just mj, but steph deserves to be at least the conversation because of what he has done in the league, changing the game and winning, that's what all time greats do
@kingshabazz131010 ай бұрын
It was a conversation between Wilt and MJ especially before his 1st retirement. Some even had Dr J as the greatest in the mid 80s.
@DanielTorres-pw8il10 ай бұрын
@@kingshabazz1310Diferent. Steph has won championships against Lebron. Those 2 weren't competing against Michael in the playoffs.
@Bluebox_dio10 ай бұрын
steph is in that conversation, because of his offensive arsenal and the way he impacts the game and make his teammate.
@ItIsYouAreNotYour10 ай бұрын
His defense is above average for his position. People talk bad about his defense, but it's him being small. He's very solid. Now it's hard to do as much running around as he does on offense and play great defense at the same time.
@Concern_Citizen10 ай бұрын
The hand-check era is totally irrelevant in the Steph Curry comparison. Hand-check was against semi=stationary players... a guy trying to back-down a defender. Steph is constantly moving, and when he get's the ball off a screen, he's shooting it within .09 seconds. When he's going to the rim for layups, he's facing his defender, using his dribble combination to get them off balance, then going to the basket for the layup. Steph is doing any post-up plays. So hand checking is irrelevant when talking about Steph.
@joshuadiggs311410 ай бұрын
Lmao it shows u don’t watch basketball hand check allowed me to put my hand on your hip to help force u where I want u and marking it harder for u to shoot cause it’s less space why do u think three points shots start to increase after hand checking lol go look how everyone shooting improves when they removed hand checking
@18brandon9210 ай бұрын
@@joshuadiggs3114certain players won’t be affected by hand checking as a great ball handler will know how to use your own hand check to throw you off balance with crossovers, screens, etc. Also, push offs will still exist on offense.
@Concern_Citizen10 ай бұрын
@@joshuadiggs3114 - - I don’t watch basketball? Really? I’m retired after Refereeing basketball for 23yrs. Read my comment carefully before you respond. Hand-checking was NOT design to allow defenders to “help force u where I want u and marking it harder for u to shoot” Hand-checking was simply to allow the defender to stay connected to the ball-handler. In the 60s & 70s, we wanted to place a premium on defense. As in every other sport, defense is design to prevent scoring... Soccer, Hockey, volleyball, etc. Defense in basketball should prevent the ball from going towards the rim, so things like Steals, Shot-Blocking, Taking a Charge, causing a turnover, all takeaway possessions and prevent a ball going towards the Rim during a possession. The early Rules felt if the defender could stay connected to the ball handler, he had a better chance of successfully defending on each possession. The NBA marketing folks determined later-on that scoring was helpful in bringing attention to the sport. The Rules were change incrementally along the years following that determination to mostly benefit scoring. Back to your comments: Hand-Checking would be irrelevant and have no impact on Steph Curry’s movement without the ball. Because grabbing him or pushing him as he relocates on the floor, without the ball, would be considered illegal contact under the Hand-Checking Rules. Were there some grabbing and pushing going on back then? Certainly! That’s the challenge of being a Referee... it became very subjective. I may whistle a guy reaching out to grab onto a moving player, while another Referee may overlook it. Hand-Checking would have no effect on a guy crossing half court and pulling up for a 3-point shot... None!
@az001m10 ай бұрын
Steph would have done well in the hand check error. He practiced with his dad’s teammates. And he takes a level of physicality with hits in today’s game that doesn’t get calls from the refs. That’s why he put on weight. So he can play through all the contacts and when they wrap him up. There was a whole lot of hand checking in the Celtics series in the finals that wasn’t being called and Steph still played through it
@hideftone10 ай бұрын
Facts. Reggie was still Reggie in that same era. 💯💯💯
@universoullifebalance10 ай бұрын
You have to put curry in top 5 to me at least.. Also he’s not nowhere as near a bad defender as the media keeps saying . He’s much improved in his defense and size. He’s a good team defender well above average off the ball as well. That’s a lazy take about him having no defense. You have to defend the ENTIRE court with Curry on the floor He easily in the conversation you can’t have Lebron in it and not Steph doesn’t make sense
@yormajesty10 ай бұрын
Stephen Curry Is The Greatest Shooter Of All Time, I Don't Care What No One Else Has To Say, That Is The Truth.
@isaacdebeila808510 ай бұрын
The issue is they box him into that lane only when he does way way more than just shooting 3s
@yormajesty10 ай бұрын
Steph Could Shoot 3's Blindfolded & They Still Wouldn't Give Him His Props.@@isaacdebeila8085
@shortclip797010 ай бұрын
As I always said, he might not be the all around best player, BUT he is ONE among those best player in NBA history. Nobody in NBA history has able to drawn a defender from half court at the very start of the regulation on a regular season. Steph even get double/tripled team most of the time in regular season, not just postseason
@nachomas310 ай бұрын
What Shaq said was more about Curry being included in conversations of the very best in NBA history overall! Shaq knows MJ is the GOAT and who are the others right behind. Hes Curry is the greatest shooter in the history of the game but even when praising him, people act as if that’s the only thing he can do offensively when the man can create his own shot when he drives to the basket, when he goes to the free throw line and finding the open man! That’s why he’s ascend in the game!
@eb535110 ай бұрын
Steph and Bron is a debate honestly.
@mercisaint250610 ай бұрын
Been saying for years got the same amount of rings same era
@playboiiabk10 ай бұрын
Fr
@2cents25010 ай бұрын
How when Lebron has clearly been better than Curry? Mono vs mono. Not even close.
@eb535110 ай бұрын
@2cents250 lebron is better 4sure, but it's a convo. Curry won just as much during bron prime. Both got 4 rings
@mercisaint250610 ай бұрын
@@eb5351 right I won’t say curry better than Bron but it warrants the conversation for sure
@nicholasbooker717510 ай бұрын
I legit don’t understand why Kobe is so overlooked smh
@DavidPaschal10 ай бұрын
It's because he was a MJ clone, respectively.
@watkinsq982710 ай бұрын
@@DavidPaschalmany tried to impersonate jordan but couldn’t deliver.. thats not a easy feat
@henrymanuel924110 ай бұрын
Joy just up there looking like the best Christmas present of all time!
@ElonBomani10 ай бұрын
lol lol off on a slight tangent!!!
@russellsimien793610 ай бұрын
Stop playing. She def ain't dime status
@tacohombre364810 ай бұрын
Question : who's a baddie in your opinion ?@@russellsimien7936
@KhoanhKhac-ww6eo10 ай бұрын
Now a day kids grow up want to be like Steph
@Johenz10 ай бұрын
Cause they’re never gonna be 6’6 so might as well be Steph
@darrengordon-hill10 ай бұрын
Which is why the NBA is now full of bricklayers
@h5v1y010 ай бұрын
@@darrengordon-hillthe league is scoring more points than ever this is a dead narrative
@darrengordon-hill10 ай бұрын
@@h5v1y0 Is the league's 3pt average 70%? Because what you seem to be praising is VOLUME over accuracy!! 40% from 3 = 60% missed shots. Unarguably.
@StuntmanBeatz31310 ай бұрын
Kareem didn’t win 5 of his 6 championships until Magic was drafted.. but Magic always gets omitted 😂
@Johenz10 ай бұрын
I think cause of longevity
@isaacdebeila808510 ай бұрын
Facts and they don't do that with Steph with KD
@FazeParticles10 ай бұрын
@@isaacdebeila8085KD needed Steph tho. Steph won already prior to KD.
@playboiiabk10 ай бұрын
@@FazeParticlesand after
@petercoyne441310 ай бұрын
I think the conversation is "Who is the goat if MJ never played" And the reason why Michael is the greatest is because he was the most competitive with great skills and great work ethic The reason why Stephen is so great(besides his father) is his unsurpassed work"practice" ethic If fact that's probably his greatest contribution to the game. P.s. Wilt had the most talent, yes more then Shaq
@isaacdebeila808510 ай бұрын
Anyone saying Steph doesn't play defense is crazy he might not be the best player on defense but he isn't no slouch on it are we going to act like Steph didn't play a key role in the 2016 WC finals stopping multiple attacks aimed at him. If Steph was so easy to score on why are teams just targeting him? He would be an easy bucket right so why don't they do that?
@anhtannguyen557710 ай бұрын
He’s definitely had a more challenging time succeeding when not born athletically gifted like the others so that’s pretty great to me
@chrisa324910 ай бұрын
He was born very athletic
@kalithechamp141210 ай бұрын
So if a guy like like breaks all of brons and Steph’s records, and never becomes a defensive stopper, dies that mean he can’t be in the goat convo?
@isaacdebeila808510 ай бұрын
that's the issue though they keep moving goal posts for players they don't like and like so they win the conversation
@Dietghostscp210710 ай бұрын
Maybe it's because I'm a Knick fan. Idk. I think the hate of greats makes conversations about them long overdue. Lebron is the most unstoppable player I've seen probably. Kobe was fearless. Steph changed how the game is played and analyzed.
@abrahamalvarez832110 ай бұрын
Why the Knicks doesnt have a Ring in the late 80s and 90s you want FEAR well there was Air JORDAN
@leoguzman210410 ай бұрын
Jordan came and dunked but a lot of people dunked before Jordan but curry to a shot that was a afterthought and changed the whole league and from shooting to drafting players to how coaches coach
@skyblue_242610 ай бұрын
Everyone trying not to put Steph up there🤦🏽♂️ he is is one of the goats no doubt
@2cents25010 ай бұрын
One of the GOAT? Goat means greatest of all time. There can only be 1.
@VictorArtache10 ай бұрын
Curry has definitely earned the right to be in the conversation. Today there is No one that creates the same fear in opposing players as he does. He changed the way the game is played. The real GOAT is Bill Russel, 11 championships. Two as player coach. He does not get the recognition due to the fact that he played years ago. He could have led the league in scoring if he had to. One ring for every finger plus one.
@stonedecatur660210 ай бұрын
He changed it how
@melbrown229510 ай бұрын
@@stonedecatur6602If that still must be explained to you even after watching this video, then you just don’t know ball.
@Laidback71810 ай бұрын
@stonedecatur6602, a guy like Trae Young, can be in the league 😂
@stonedecatur660210 ай бұрын
@@Laidback718 There has always been guys shorter than 6ft in the NBA..nice try..
@datsapaddlin10 ай бұрын
Steph is feared on offense but no one fears his defense. He’s usually targeted by the opposing team on that end. If you gonna be in GOAT talk you gotta be great on both ends at your peak. They did a great job surrounding him with guys that could defend. That was another key to their success with his offense because they could hide Steph on defense.
@hollywoodheed100410 ай бұрын
ima need people to stop saying steph doesn’t play defense 💯
@KingKCA10 ай бұрын
Facts. That’s a old narrative and how great of a defender could he really even be at his size
@realgems2410 ай бұрын
He don't. His win share is not high enough.
@RikiRouseScott10 ай бұрын
My cavs picked on steph in those finals ...he's not a great defender ....not close to Bron, Kobe , MJ, Shaq etc
@Cayden_279710 ай бұрын
Curry was getting cooked the whole game on defense. What game were you watching lol
@hopedavidson592010 ай бұрын
Lebron don’t play defense but they put him above Jordan and Kobe
@drewmeyer967910 ай бұрын
Curry is definitely in the GOAT debate. He put GS on the map and brought them 4 chips. He proved he could win without KD twice. His 4th chip put him in the top 10 imo.
@ohsosantana9310 ай бұрын
So is it most influential or goat conversation ?
@carltonpresley541510 ай бұрын
Influential is definitely the better term for him. Steph is Top 10 -15. He’s obviously an all time great, but GOAT is excessive
@RenardGarzaro10 ай бұрын
@@carltonpresley5415 That is what GOAT's do influence.
@datsapaddlin10 ай бұрын
@@RenardGarzaro He’s all time great but I’ve seen the Warriors take him out the game if they need a big stop on multiple occasions. How is that the GOAT? They don’t trust his defense. That’s his weak spot that keeps him from winning finals MVPs and get more goat conversations.
@datsapaddlin10 ай бұрын
If Steph was an all defensive player and had more MVPs and finals MVPs with that offense he would have a case but he doesn’t. I can’t compare him to Jordan but He’s still a top 10 player though.
@noeljohnson106910 ай бұрын
Curry doesn’t have more MVP’s because the media doesn’t want him to because he obviously deserved a lot more
@jay-rock045810 ай бұрын
Steph curry had 5 fouls last night in the 3rd, he played all of the 4th and OT and didn’t foul out either Boston attacking him. Steph absolutely plays defense he even got a charge last night.
@oaklandsoldier852010 ай бұрын
Nobody never talks about Tim Duncan. Smh.
@renerivota95210 ай бұрын
Tim’s & the spurs play style was boring that’s why
@oaklandsoldier852010 ай бұрын
@@renerivota952 and that's a problem
@elclavo110 ай бұрын
Every generation has their own goat. With that being said, Steph is in the conversation.
@noahjames198510 ай бұрын
I grew up in Chicago in the 90's and recorded every Bulls playoff game on VHS LoL. I have been watching Basketball ever since and the biggest difference that I see with MJ is that players feared him on the court. He was almost able to do whatever he wanted during a possession. He probably could have scored every point in the game if he really wanted to, but he was so committed to improving every player on his team to greatness. You can talk skyhook all day, yet Jordan's fade away was nearly unstoppable. Michael Jordan not only changed the game of Basketball... he also changed the World.
@jackji200710 ай бұрын
agreed, but my Curry should be No.2. lol
@datsapaddlin10 ай бұрын
@@jackji2007 if it was just based on offense he’s top 5 but his defense bumps him down. His size and not being as athletic vertically hurts him on defense.
@protomang835210 ай бұрын
😂
@AllstarzBlack10 ай бұрын
Goat conversation? No. Most influential conversation? Yes. Jordan, Iverson, and Curry, are the most influential basketball players ever.
@RenardGarzaro10 ай бұрын
He is won of the greatest of all time.
@AR-rn8ok10 ай бұрын
How you gonna put iverson with Steph and Jordan? We not talking about practice.
@all1lla19710 ай бұрын
'We having a GOAT conversation about Steph RIGHT NOW!' 😆😂🤣
@charnelveil66910 ай бұрын
Dirk was the Center who changed the game making Big Men become Shooters!!!
@isaacdebeila808510 ай бұрын
Sure but that change didn't happen title Steph changed how scout look for centers. Remember there was a time when teams werent using bigs cause they couldn't beat warriors with them on the floor than we got the Kat's, KDs and Jokics of the game today. That force happened with the warriors system and Draymond was a key factor in that move cause they needed a center who can play point when needed
@ROCKBETHENAME10 ай бұрын
Shady just lied. MJ didn’t tell Scottie to lock Magic up BFFR they don’t win in 91 if MJ didn’t cook
@mookieking993810 ай бұрын
Curry has moments where he don't step up
@mookieking993810 ай бұрын
2016 finals curry couldn't close them out played bad in game 7 let Cleveland come back from 3-1 hole
@juliuscrizo922810 ай бұрын
The talk show 'Bro' dressed with black suit is A. Curry's haterrs. He said that Curry is not talented, is not a good defender, and so forth. 1- First and foremost Stwph Curry is one the most skillful player plus a brutal mindset of competition. He is brutally unmercy with his rivals, it's cool blood no fear no compassion against theirs rivals by that reason LeBron show respect by him. Other feel hate like Kendrick Perkins, many talk shows like *"The BRO dress with black suit**, Westbroold, Charles Barkley,. Boston Celtics feel a mix of hate, fear and desperate when a face the warriors and his tiny leader. 2- Steph Curry is a good defender in spite of his detractors. 3- He is the best shooter, The best point Guard of all time. The milestone achieved by the warriors against the Boston Celtics. That game was spectacular and the Curry's performance was simply out of series showing that he must be in the Goat's conversation. In short he is the 3-point shooter, the Point Guard GOAT, 4 NBA pets, 2 MVP. By the way he is an extraordinary clucther like Bird, Kobe, MJ, Toni Kukoc, LeBron, Drazen Petrovic
@shaquanscott704310 ай бұрын
Joy looking like Cleopatra!!!
@dennisrodriguez942010 ай бұрын
The only Unanimous MVP in the history of the NBA should be in the conversation.
@specterone247410 ай бұрын
Steph does play defense. I wish people would stop saying that.
@fadercreek10 ай бұрын
energy has to match on both sides of the ball in terms of greatness
@melbrown229510 ай бұрын
Exactly! That was an uninformed, asinine statement.
@joseplascencia440810 ай бұрын
Curry was never a 2 way player. Never a lock down defender
@dexterhunter380810 ай бұрын
You all are actually having a conversation, so Steph is in the conversation
@tjones877810 ай бұрын
Fax
@realtalkwithmumin424510 ай бұрын
Steph Curry is without a doubt the best 3-point shooter that the NBA has ever seen and I don't think anybody can argue That 🧐💯
@markvanderstelt899910 ай бұрын
do any of those other players force teams to come out and cover a guy once he is past Half Court ? no he is the only guy they have to change the way they play against golden State.
@DutchTheBibleThumper210 ай бұрын
Fam if you literally change the way basketball is played you deserve to be in the Goat conversation period
@TheSiavii10 ай бұрын
MJ is the undisputed GOAT. Reason: simple, when all of the players mentioned in this conversation are in his presence……they are in awe.. facts
@AR-rn8ok10 ай бұрын
Only people that consistently make everyone else awestruck, Jordan, magic and Steph. No other players create that.
@clark871210 ай бұрын
@@AR-rn8ok Bird did that.. even better than Magic
@EshockT10 ай бұрын
LeBron has maybe 2-3 seasons left. Steph likely has 6-7 seasons left. Which one of them can get another two Chips? Steph has a lot of catching up to do in PTS, Assists, steals. He may hang 1-2k 3pm over everyone else.
@blackanimelover1810 ай бұрын
Doesn't matter how many more chips Steph gets, he's not gonna be better than Jordan or LeBron.
@randylouissaint163610 ай бұрын
Steph does not have 6-7 season left😂
@lmaostrnoob10 ай бұрын
@@randylouissaint1636 Stephen curry has 5 seasons left at the most and that’s if we accepts a decrease in his production
@kingshabazz131010 ай бұрын
Bro...Steph is 35 going on 36. He ain't playing until 42 😂
@18brandon9210 ай бұрын
@@blackanimelover18lol it’s not gonna happen, but if Steph ends up with 7 rings, I’d put him over LeBron.
@fredrickdampeer826910 ай бұрын
Steph has been the biggest beneficiary of the changing of the game. The NBA wanted more 100 point games & less 85 point games. So spacing of the floor & 3 point shooting was emphasized. Steph has had the beat skill set to suit that type of play.
@Jp-et3zm10 ай бұрын
Wouldn’t that mean everyone in this era has benefited from the same thing? Including Bron
@DesignzRUs10 ай бұрын
he the one changed it. And he never had great spacing. He the one that draws all the attention
@melbrown229510 ай бұрын
LeBron has been equally benefited, so there’s that…🤷🏽♂️
@russellsimien793610 ай бұрын
Of course he's the biggest beneficiary since he's literally the one who did it lol
@jerrythercy443910 ай бұрын
the danger from 3 pointers allows spacing
@brittanybrown163310 ай бұрын
Shaq is right…Curry should be definitely should be in top 10 greatest of all time - I agree ☝🏽
@NwoFresh10 ай бұрын
Jordan guarded Magic 65-70% of the time if not more
@Balladsandlovesongs10 ай бұрын
Out of all the supposed GOATS (other than Jordan) the others had to play with another superstar like Magic=Kareem/Worthy, Lebron-Wade/Bosh/AD, Kobe=Shaq. Soon as Curry played with Durant the league lost their minds and everyone else knew it was unfair. If those others were the GOAT why they didn’t scare the league?
@dotdottheconnector879510 ай бұрын
He somebodys GOAT. And its hard not to Root for Curry. His shot is bananas.
@mhirzkhiesoltes531910 ай бұрын
Who's greatest player will defend SC30 ? Their beautiful dunk is short for 3P of SC30 if you leave him even 1 inch anyware in the court.. and the fact that SC30 beats LeBron 3x in the Championship game, conversation is over..
@TonyStark-qk9sj10 ай бұрын
Why is Joy looking like an Oscar trophy?
@sstanley0010 ай бұрын
Everyone wants to criticize Steph for defense, but what one player in the history of basketball, won a championship by himself on defense? Defense is a team thing, so why is it a factor in the best player ever discussion? Just like no one player could stop Jordan, no one player could stop Steph, Lebron, Kobe, Durant, etc...... so do not penalize Steph because you do not think he is a good defender, that is BS!!!
@paul-pq4xp10 ай бұрын
I thought you had to have some type of defensive capability
@ebwonstia10 ай бұрын
So.. Gary Payton better than Steph?
@noidph10 ай бұрын
Only two GOATs for me: MJ and Steph.
@kravon958310 ай бұрын
I agree Kareem LBJ and Jordan are the only ones in the GOAT conversation
@Drizzxixkdy10 ай бұрын
“He can’t play defense” how can anyone expect steph to play defense when he gets guarded physically, but he tries to get a steal or a charge or just standing in front of a player they call a foul on steph when he tries that same physicality that is applied to him on the offensive side of the ball
@kabir1000-wk4rl10 ай бұрын
He is a great his skills make others better he is a winner and he so humble
@olivermoon253810 ай бұрын
Steph is definitely GOAT level. The only reason we weren't having that debate is because of false narratives. Steph is the most underrated superstar of all time and it's not even close. Wade played with prime Lebron and said Steph is on that level and to put him on Mt. Rushmore. Y'all forget Lebron got wrecked by Kawhi and later the Mavs even when he had his superteam with Wade and Bosh. Also like Stephen A. just noted, Lebron was dominating the East which was largely acknowledged to be the weaker conference for a long period of time. JimmyHighRoller presented advanced stats showing Steph has the highest added win% of any player in history, #2 is Lebron, #3 is Jordan. Nick Wright just noted that Steph has the highest playoff series win % in history (85%) next to Bill Russell. Steph won before and after KD = continuity of winning = Steph is a winner. Period. What has KD accomplished legacy wise pre and post Steph. Ty Lue (coach of Lebron) said Steph is the head of the snake and they blitzed him even when KD and Klay were on the floor. When Lebron played against Steph, he already had over 10 years to develop as a player. Steph had only really started developing starting in 2013 because of previous injuries and Monte Ellis was the main guy until leaving in 2012. Steph vs Lebron started in 2014-2015 season. Steph literally changed the META of basketball. Probably only people who have caused rule changes (e.g. Wilt) and can rival this. This is an objective accomplishment in a different STRATOSPHERE FAR GREATER than any subjective nominations (1st team, mvps, etc). Everyone needs to stop sweeping this under the rug like it's just another little fact. And much more can be said (e.g. only player to win multiple chips without another top 75 player besides Kobe, etc). So Steph is definitely GOAT level and will be properly recognized/appreciated when he's gone and people better understand more important metrics/accomplishments.
@2cents25010 ай бұрын
That’s not what Ty Lue said. He said Steph was easier to guard bc KD was going to get his points bc he is 7 foot.
@jeremymuir433210 ай бұрын
The answer is no. It's no. Steph Curry isn't better than Kobe, LeBron, Jordan, Kareem? No. I love the guy. NO.
@amanntheforrest10 ай бұрын
Funny part is he don't gotta play defense. His game dare you to score as much as you want. Just keep up that scoring while chasing him.
@crypto_thug921810 ай бұрын
He ain’t in no goat conversation and for shady to say curry is harder to guard than MJ is one of the wildest takes I’ve heard
@az001m10 ай бұрын
Mike didn’t change the game. He was the best to play the game as is. Curry - literally changed how they scout, organize AAU, changed the position of the 5 - gotta guard 1-5, have a jump shot. Got mad people upset cause he cost them their pay day. They guard Steph from half court. They want 3s and 4s to be able to guard 1-5 now. It literally is not the same MJ didn’t change the structure of the game. He was just the best to ever play within that structure. Steph literally changed the structure of the game. A game they said he was too small to play
@yaraflor445710 ай бұрын
MJ definitely changed the game, and not only that he changed how people view the modern day athlete.
@az001m10 ай бұрын
@@yaraflor4457 MJ changed the rules of the game? how they scouted? I know he changed how people looked at basketball, made the sport more global those kinds of things. He made strides with Nike. Led the way with salary and compensation etc I’m talking about on the court. What actual things about basketball changed because is MJ? I’m not saying this to say he’s not the GOAT. Because Michael is my GOAT. I just think that Steph actually changed HOW basketball is played. And not just jacking up 3s. he influenced the skill sets they look for in each position, literally people lost their job cause centers that can’t shoot or guard 1-5 are thought to be obsolete. MJ didn’t do that. He simply was the best we ever saw between the lines and haven’t seen anything like MJ since. People can accrue MJs stats with time but there simply isn’t another MJ
@amitaimariouriarte829710 ай бұрын
As a Warriors fan, The GOAT is a discussion between MJ (my vote) Kareen and LBJ. Curry does not have much to offer on the defensive side. Curry is on the next tier down with Kobe, Bird, Magic, Wilt, and Dr. J, who should be on that tier, but everyone overlooks his ABA accomplishments.
@DaWasTaken10 ай бұрын
This is why guys like Kobe and Steph is so special, if you look at them at their stature they're just in the middle of the pack but man the way they played the game makes everyone believe they can be like that too.
@williamallen798410 ай бұрын
Here’s an argument for Steph: he’s the greatest shooter of all time. No other player in the GOAT conversation can say they were the greatest of all time at any one part of the game. There’s also the idea that Steph changed the e way the game is played. Steph is one of my favorite players-but I’m gonna be real, asking if he’s top ten or top 15 is enough. No, he’s not in the GOAT debate. For me, the Mount Rushmore is Jordan, Lebron, Magic, and Bird. But down the road is Mount Rush a little bit less, and for me that one is Kobe, Steph, Shaq, and Duncan…
@robocop58110 ай бұрын
24.7 pts per game career average is pretty low for the greatest shooter of all time
@2cents25010 ай бұрын
MJ is still a better scorer than Steph so how great is his shooting when MJ averages more at a higher efficiency for his career and Steph is shooting 3s. How many times has he led the league in scoring?
@hadzisaniii10 ай бұрын
@@robocop581given he only played 1 and a half years as a BENCHWARMER just after getting drafted, missing two whole seasons due to injury and working his way up to be an all-star for two whole years after getting back. . .24ppg as a career average is pretty impressive. It is very high given the circumstances of the early years of his career. Also he really is the greatest Shooter cause he jumped from number 200 and something in the 3-pointers list to top 15 in just 3 years, honestly, I don't think any of us could overcome the adversity he did and achieve those stats😅
@hadzisaniii10 ай бұрын
@@2cents250Pretty dull take, MJ was the go-to guy for the Bulls just after getting drafted back in the 80s. Being the only person who could record over 15 points on the team at the time, he naturally took on most of the offensive load for the Bulls and he was winning a scoring title almost every single year. The story is different for Curry who was on the bench for most of the early years of his career, also being riddled with injuries, he barely played to be honest. Whereas, from 2014 until today, there's no way you really believe Curry's offense is not great😅 How can you say his shooting is not good? I think we're now just hating on the guy
@robocop58110 ай бұрын
@@hadzisaniii Did Steph's dog eat his Homework too?
@ignacionavarro562410 ай бұрын
You have to guard Steph literally when he crossed the half court line lol that man is different!!!
@Ancestral-Incumbent10 ай бұрын
Glad they started the conversation. In my opinion, MJ or Curry is the conversion vs Majic Johnson or LeBron James. Lebron James didn't change the games. The cross pollination of positions has blurred perception. Defense is what Micheal Jordan did better than ALL the players in the goat conversation. Lebron James is exceptional because He's a freak of nature whose B-Ball IQ creates team chemistry but in my opinion the EURO-STEP rule change is what helped LeBron cause he like to go through players not around them like Micheal Jordan but the Euro-Step added(In 2009) a dimension to Lebron game needed for him.
@Iss_Glock10 ай бұрын
Curry🐐
@TheFilmSpace110 ай бұрын
Joy looking like Gold Dust 😂
@jeanjacques787410 ай бұрын
😂😂 son you wild
@undrwtrbsktwvn111010 ай бұрын
Joy look like Chucky when they cut his hair short in the thumbnail 😂
@Travis89-ob5tt10 ай бұрын
Nobody's taking Steph over Jordan outside of NorCal.
@RenardGarzaro10 ай бұрын
That is why it is just a conversation, we know that.
@datsapaddlin10 ай бұрын
@@RenardGarzaro it’s no point in having that conversation. He wasn’t always finals mvp when he won. How can you be in GOAT talk when a teammate was better than you win you won a championship? He’s still great though.
@JaBreeCurry888810 ай бұрын
LeBron was NEVER a Lockdown Defender... EVER... Like EVER... Like Not even Close EVER!.. EVER!
@HockeyDudeJames10 ай бұрын
Joy be looking like a willy wonka golden ticket.
@seanwalsh754210 ай бұрын
she looks so fake
@ave38310 ай бұрын
They applied the Jordan rules in the paint. They applied the jordan rules on steph once he touches half court.
@Blackbolt-41110 ай бұрын
Acho lying once again . Mj never told Scottie that but I have a question .. I dint rennet curry guarding Kyrie in the finals that was klay Draymond and Iggy kyrie lit Curry up when he tried to cover him
@hisakoichiki312610 ай бұрын
i like the idea that we normal people can relate to steph. He is such a great example for the youth who think they cant get in the nba that "hey, if steph curry can do it, so can i" and thats awesome
@jctslice10 ай бұрын
No. Not at all. There have been many seasons where Steph is either not the best on his team and/or in the league. How can a guy who's had AT BEST 1 season of the best player in the NBA be in the GOAT conversation ? Also, he plays no defense. Only Magic is a guy who ranks in that esteem with playing absolutely no defense
@azwanazmi148410 ай бұрын
1) Curry has been the best in the league for more than 1 season. 2) If defense is a mandatory requirement as you suggest, then Lebron was only elite defensively for 5 years which is only 25% of his career and needs to be removed from any goat conversations while allowing Duncan, Kobe and Olajuwon to leapfrog him. Add Kareem and Wilt to that list.
@jctslice10 ай бұрын
@@azwanazmi1484 playing defense for "only 5 years" is different from playing NO defense. Steph has never had even ONE season where he was elite defensively. Stop the cap
@azwanazmi148410 ай бұрын
@@jctslice Read my post again, I never said Curry was elite defensively. I was just using your arguments to make a case for others to be elevated in the Goat conversation and you are right. Playing elite on both sides of the ball should be weighted evenly in any assessment.
@sofiacristinak.-cd1nk10 ай бұрын
Does being in the conversation for G.O.A.T. imply that one has to dunk, be a great rebounder, protect the rim & be highly athletic? Curry has capitalized & honed every single one of his strengths. And continuously learns different things to add to defense, shooting & playmaking. For me, Shaq remains one of the most dominant players but Curry deserves to be in the conversation.
@sarietdiaz391310 ай бұрын
Michael was a way better defender than LeBron will ever be so that ends the GOAT debate if they wanna include defense
@sincityraised70210 ай бұрын
And lebron is a way better scorer than jordan could dream of
@sarietdiaz391310 ай бұрын
@@sincityraised702 Jordan was a better shooter and scorer LMAO
@shipooprincess67010 ай бұрын
You guys keep repeating the argument why curry should be in the conversation. Curry changed how we play the game globally. Even Currys hater adopted his game. This is one of the biggest criteria of being the GOAT. no body says i wanne be like lebron. But todays era you will hear they wanna be like curry. Curry vs lebron ill pickup curry all day. Put curry in a team like where lebrons played with curry will get more rings. And ultimately Curry sweep lebron in the finals.
@lennybeason111010 ай бұрын
MJ is the undisputed GOAT ‼️ Y’all just talking to be talking.😂
@MeBihhhh10 ай бұрын
Nah he didn’t win anything until Kareem retired and pistons got old
@neillgowans435010 ай бұрын
I know that there’s a tendency for people to use the wrong words but Steph is the very example of talent. His skills (shooting and handles) are his talent and they are at the very top of the tree.
@GeorgeJackson-nh5ri10 ай бұрын
Could you imagine jordan coming on one of these shows, he wouldn't even have to say anything, he would just laugh and shake his head.
@chrisrose24810 ай бұрын
Joy the goat for them golden ta ta's 🍼🍼👏👏👍🙌
@noah50910 ай бұрын
Every player at every level of the sport wants to shoot like Steph Curry. He has changed the sport on a fundamental level and has the awards and stats to support it. I think he is the GOAT, but I'm fine with disagreement on that. But to say he isn't in the conversation? That's just not knowing basketball.
@SSJRome10 ай бұрын
🐐 talks start and end with Michael Jordan Lebron James & Kareem Abdul Jabbar Period
@anthonyjohnson-dq8ls10 ай бұрын
MJ GREATEST OF ALL TIME 🏀🏀🏀😎💯
@ebwonstia10 ай бұрын
Kareem? He got 1 ring as the bus driver
@SSJRome10 ай бұрын
@@ebwonstia6 rings is still 6 rings
@TrevorTelea10 ай бұрын
If Curry win this year NBA Championship and get another NBA finals MVP y’all should remove LeBron from the G.O.A.T conversation
@tiromokoka699310 ай бұрын
Steph is Great but Greatest of all time is stretching it !
@latoyadunbar14710 ай бұрын
They need to stop leaving out Larry Bird!
@goddy51010 ай бұрын
He’s in the conversation. I didn’t watch MJ play so hard to even relate to his game. I watched Steph everyday and his pull ups from downtown are the best thing on earth and even sweeter when it hits nothing but net.
@Blackbolt-41110 ай бұрын
No he is not . That dude is nowhere near GOAT
@alfarouqaminufor389210 ай бұрын
freaking laughable. MJ has 10 scoring titles and 1st defensive team 9 times.
@df614810 ай бұрын
Just know this. 6 Finals. 6 FINALS MVPs. 6-0. Never let a finals series go past 6 games. MJ Nobody in NBA history has more Finals MVPS and the guy that has the 2nd closest (4 Lebron) also has 6 LOSSES in the finals to go with it.
@AR-rn8ok10 ай бұрын
MJ was not as offensively gifted as Steph. Steph can score like no one else. Jordan missed a lot and took a lot of shots and lower fg% but was all around so good, with dpoy awards. Steph just dominated so much on offense he can put himself on a top 5 list. Bron and Kobe in my opinion are not top 5. They are not the best at anything. Don’t have the awestruck effect that Jordan magic and Steph have on people.
@goddy51010 ай бұрын
@@df6148 who did he win those finals against? Why did he start winning titles?
@rachmanny10 ай бұрын
Did the dude just say Steph isn't fast and talented to make a point? Bad point lol