Warthunder's History Of Complete Disasters

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Original title: Warthunder's Nightmare History of Controversy, changed on 20221119

[@genericwarthunderyoutuber8321]

HELL YEAH FREE FPE AND PARTS

[@rotoface5469]

I wonder what happened to that guy

[@AyoubusMagnus]

I remember that time when in every video that gaijin published u would see free parts and fpe until Gaijin deactivate the comments. That was a war that we won

[@_Majki_2137]

@@rotoface5469 He got send to gulag probably... or shot by kgb i guess

[@rotoface5469]

@@_Majki_2137 I think he abused his power by giving his friends free stuff or something but I might be wrong

FREE FPE AND PARTS

[@GSC-Operator-chan]

It's a shame you didn't bring up the Free Abrams pack that they eventually made as a sort of weird joke apology which included the XM-1, 13337 GE, the @realFreeAbrams title, and a special XM-1 decal, and ~9 days of premium time all for 60 USD. Superb deal really. For those unaware, the joke in there is that 13k GE is about 60 USD, so for the value you were effectively getting the XM-1 for free.

[@thetigerii9506]

That was my first pack i bought. No regrets

[@sorepancake4284]

I hated the xm1 but when that came out ive never purchased something so fast

[@MultiBf109]

@@sorepancake4284 same, not the hating part I'm kind of indifferent about the XM-1 now a days, even tho I already had the XM-1

[@Setupthemabomb]

I was so pissed when they announce this because i already own XM-1, and to be clear, i'm not pissed to gaijin but to myself for not to holding back my wallet, lmao

[@Osean_Kitty]

Man I got that pack and never regretted it

[@brentonherbert7775]

"Massively reduced the price of top tier upgrades" *Looks at the 70k needed for 1 single upgrade for the Lightning* Uh huh....

[@schuylerkandarian7325]

Gaijin: you can either give me 3 hours of your soul….. or $2.75 in GE.

[@1901Fordsomething]

70k? Im already cying over 3k and you guys crying over 70k

[@1nv15BL3]

@@1901Fordsomething Don't worry, it gets worse.

[@asianinvasian9022]

@@1nv15BL3 much worse

[@airplanemaniacgaming7877]

@@asianinvasian9022 MUCH MUCH WORSE.

[@MeowMeowMeowMeowMeowMeowMeowww]

"Got into trouble modeling the tiger helicopter" ... *slowly puts glasses off face* ... are you telling me there was a third time !

[@bulbusarues]

Fourth, actually

[@MeowMeowMeowMeowMeowMeowMeowww]

@@bulbusarues I really start questioning the average intelligence of military personal.

[@giosuecarduccigaming]

@@MeowMeowMeowMeowMeowMeowMeowww the problem here is that they are War Thunder players

[@princesscrystal6410]

If we try hard enough we can do five!

[@ZeFluffyKnight]

@@MeowMeowMeowMeowMeowMeowMeowww Military intelligence isn't.

[@xAlouette]

I think the Ukrainian and Russian flag conflict that happened has to be the best part of this video. The fact that players began engaging in political warfare on War Thunder is pretty interesting.

[@Zorro9129]

Same thing has happened in Foxhole, lol

[@2298839082508923859]

It wasn't really even warfare, it was straightforward trolling of russian/pro-russian patriots by ukranian nazis along with russian trolls. Back in a day it was very sensitive topic, but nowadays a whole conflict is basically became somewhat a meme in local communities.

[@RogerCharlamange]

@@2298839082508923859 Wow it's almost like Pro Russian Patriots have invaded and annexed part of the Ukrainian home country. Weird, I wonder why Ukraine would be mad. Russia certainly didn't get upset and murder a bunch of Chechnyans when they said "We dont want to be Russian" just like they're doing in Ukraine RIGHT now haha.

[@sys3248]

@@RogerCharlamange how do they invaded if they lived there all their lives?

[@zeppkfw]

A bunch of nerds with no life and are radical? No wonder

[@feraltrafficcone4483]

Surprised you didn’t talk about Gaijin’s harsh nerf to SL and RP gains. Makes playing top tier basically unreasonable. I once got six kills in a row, didn’t die once, capped a point, won the match, had prem account, and still only got 5.3K EXP. Mind you, this was 10.3. Plenty of times I’ve ran out of premium time and had to completely not play WarThunder, since almost no matter what, I’d usually come out with just a tiny meager amount of earnings, or I’d go into the red with SL and lose more than I won

[@4T3hM4kr0n]

they've been playing musical chairs with the built in multipliers with all of the vehicles, its getting rediculous. For those of you reading that don't know how much modules cost in RP at top tier in warthunder: Modules can be around 33,000 RP. So despite having a good match, Jakob was awarded a measly amount. Vehicles in warthunder (especially at top tier) vastly UNDERPERFORM unless you have all of the modules researched.

[@overtoast1105]

Can *you* pinpoint when they nerfed the sl rp gains? Like, ground gains have been dogshit for a very long yime

[@feraltrafficcone4483]

@@overtoast1105 Many months to a year ago, I noticed that I started earning less RP for sure despite doing the same, if not better than I have before. Doesn’t help that I’ve heard from multiple friends who are more avid and more seasoned players than myself saying the same stuff

[@feraltrafficcone4483]

@@4T3hM4kr0n yup. And the night battles, everyone having ERA or really good armor, and so on makes the grind just so much harder. Stock HEAT is fun when fighting Russians

[@lourencoalmada1305]

@@feraltrafficcone4483 Yeah, about a year or two ago I had 20M SL stocked up and it's been slowly draining to the point I now only have about 300k SL. It's weird, because I'm a much much better player now than I was before but still can't turn a profit like a few years ago.

[@vladimirsvec390]

I would also add: ,,Fix the game in 1.91'' controversy and ,,stock APDSFS shells controversy'', I think these two are also very very important controversies in history of War Thunder.

[@sgt.future7134]

What happened with those

[@lilwagonwheel8829]

#1, when was this one? and #2 *M4A3(105) Intensifies*

[@vladimirsvec390]

@@lilwagonwheel8829 Yeah sorry it was fix game in 1.91, but it was about making war thunder great again.

[@andrewzheng4038]

yeah they really need to give back at least some kind of stock ADPSFS because HOLY FUCKING SHIT top tier is actually fucking unplayable with only HEAT-FS

[@racingraptor4758]

And recent economy nerf which makes game almost unplayable without premium

[@leafleap]

I remember when they planned to implement the crew healing mechanic, you would be able to carry medpacks or something and heal crew anywhere, this was later changed into the crew replenish mechanic on cap that we have today, although I think its possible to replenish crew whenever in Arcade. Also for a time it was possible to control the tank with only one crew member alive, you could either drive or fire, but not both at once, so you had to move the crew member from driver to gunner and vice versa. It was not very long lived.

[@privateplatiboi48]

its so annoying when you have for example the driver left but the game wont let you drive like bruh just let me get to cover first

[@riccardomariani9648]

They re used it for enlisted

[@telurkucing5006]

Old chad one, play with 2 red crew without being able to replenish anything until win or lose because its still 2015

[@MegaRazorback]

Yes you can indeed replenish crew anywhere in arcade ground forces!

[@sidecharacterC]

Honestly, they should bring back the last man standing mechanic for vehicles with 2 crew members. Crew replenishment is useless in RB with only 2 crew.

[@CreativeZachGaminglebestvids]

6:35 I have never in my life seen a single light tank help extinguish a fire

[@Appletank8]

i've managed to do it like, once. Like, maybe five times total for repairing. I'm either too far away to help or they just die anyways.

[@sharkk127]

I did once in my rooikat, but right that he immediately got shot again

[@Count_Gustav]

I do that whenever daily challenge or special task requires repair your ally with Light Tank

[@teslashark]

@@Appletank8 Same, it's only helpful for squad comms

[@riccardomariani9648]

Since light vehicles have this ability they at least give an extra fpe so they are more willing to help

[@MadManchou]

When you started on the "demonitized" bit, I thought it would be about the 2019 (?) Black Friday sale ad, which portrayed an L3/33 surround by Black Princes, under the title "get ready to be blacked". It caused quite the unrest on the forums at least (for no reason because of course if you understand the subtext you're old enough it's not shocking)

[@schuylerkandarian7325]

I like Gaijin so much more now that I know that. Plus it was actually pretty cool how Anton tried to make things right with that Russian CC. He should have fired that rogue dev after undoing all the DMCA stuff, but I don’t know the whole story. Also it’s really hard to truly hate Gaijin when you see what EA, Activision and even CDPR have been pumping out for the past ~5 years. The whole gaming industry is a cash grab at this point.

[@laisy961]

@@schuylerkandarian7325 I'm not sure how it works in Russian culture, but in my country companies rarely fire people because they still need to pay quite an amount of compensation. Instead, they will demote you and shove you into figurative cold storage where you barely have any power or influence.

[@Ramzi1944]

Link pls

[@user-vu9ug4vb3u]

Hah, somewhere in 2018-19, when they introduced Type 74, one of ru streamers called viewers "scourges". Stream was flooded with request for discounts for vehicles from incoming patch, streamers gave them 3% off, but crowd get just angrier and begin insulting streamers, so one of them lost it. That was fun, since "scourges" on russian is "bichi". So the tank was named by community Bi-Chi.

[@z3r0_35]

Probably because it was a nontroversy, just a bunch of butthurt snowflakes getting offended at a joke.

[@armablign]

8:20 YES IVE ALWAYS SAID THIS it would be really amazing, if atleast, regional pricing was applied to the national flags. (I'm fine if GE, and prem, is not regional priced) at the very least, flag regional pricing would be a very welcoming change

[@Davidee_631]

so you basically want that the player gets his nation's flag without paying Golden Eagles right? Because that's what i want Edit: i got it with Ges, but still i think it should be free

[@The_AverageTank]

I had like 100 consumeables until it went away since I never found out how to use them

[@princesscrystal6410]

I was thinking a flag coupon for decals

[@olololo9206]

just make everyone able to take one flag for free

[@ZeFluffyKnight]

Honestly at this point they should just remove the decal restrictions. Teamkilling only exists in Air and SB at this point.

[@monolitwoods]

I remember well the Free FPE and Parts, I watched the very same live stream. Then gaijin disabled comments on their channels, got rid of likes/dislike numbers, an got BVV's brother to make up some apology on their channel that soon got ripped by the community. To say it was a dumpster fire is a understatement. At least they did change it in the end, plus we got a "free" XM-1 Abram's. After that though I saw a lot less of Shaun on streams, maybe gaijin thought if they made a mistake like that again he would only fuel the fire, so sent the FSB to his house)) Also not a gajiin controversy, but anyone else remember a clan that was hated in the whole community? They had like a neo nazi leader and would teamkill every game, forgot their name as they seem to have evaporated from the game itself.

[@Nicitel94]

I remember A clan of teamkillers ... never encountered them, I believe.

[@ZeFluffyKnight]

I know TYT Tyrant was pretty hated due to being a bunch of toxic retards but idk if that's the same squadron.

[@LosBerkos]

WT squadron with neo nazi leader and systematic teamkilling is a bit broad. Narrow it down for us?

[@kuronyra1709]

Wasn't it the PRO100 clan? Populating the jets fights and teamkilling anyone attacking PRO100 even if on the opposite team?

[@distinctjackal9016]

The moment when you realise you can get a free flag of usa by just playing American tanks

[@allusivegore6299]

I agree with you on the fact that flag size shouldn't be limited so we can have some goofy looking tanks back but TK definitely should stay off, there is simply no need for it to be on and you're a lot more prone to accidentally TKing someone when you're in close tank combat than when you're flying far apart from eachother in the air. Edit: Wth, wow 500 likes! Never had a comment reach that much. Thanks for the likes fellow defenders of the D point.

[@canadianpoltergeist6022]

Agreed TKing needs to stay off. I've had people push my tank off cliffs to get me out of the sniping spot they want. They're the people who wouldn't care and just blast you if it's on. Not to mention tanks occasionally when spawning. Shit ton of friendly fire.

[@heretichazel]

Imagine how frustrating it would be playing a nation like Britain that has primarily solid shot, or high tier with sabot, and killing a teammate because you went straight through the enemy's vehicle

[@axeavier]

I disagree. If it were the case, then it wouldve been off in SB too. Much like anything else, it takes a tad bit of understanding and skill to learn not to TK. You look first, shoot next

[@n8ivspat3n56]

@@heretichazel bro don’t even fucking say that

[@majorklinkov2394]

I would hope that Gaijin trys it another time with TK on because in plane battles it works to and I think maybe then some players are more watching their shots.

[@telurkucing5006]

The worst is in the past they allow team kill from tank vs tank in the early battle especially for mofo who repeately click left click at the spawn and blasted anyone spawn in front of him, Im not too much angry when they mistakenly team kill me with bomb while attacking enemy near me but getting killed without reason at start of the battles is the most mad part

[@zerrierslizer1]

the only reason Gaijin wants consumables to expire is because it screams "we have lots of money, but we aint got enough. we dont NEED more, but we WANT more, and that is why fuck you is the next step."

[@4T3hM4kr0n]

the thing about recon vehicles helping out with repairs and FPE is that the recon vehicle has to HAVE THEM UNLOCKED FIRST. A stock vehicle cannot assist with repairs and if it doesnt have FPE it cannot help with extinguishing.

[@85blutch]

And i think he has to sacrifice one of his own fire extinguisher to stop the other vehicle's fire? It does make sense, still annoying though

[@XF90]

Matt with those 3d animated explanation, love it!

[@mayonotes9849]

Because of how incredibly shady Gaijin is, I've basically stopped playing War Thunder in real matches. The game is already in a very horrible state to the point I just can't be bothered anymore.

[@m103heavytank2]

the second i get the french tech tree done (im at 7.7 btw), im going straight to the realm of custom servers

[@airplanemaniacgaming7877]

@@m103heavytank2 British tanker (8.3-ish) that agrees.

[@mirek4357]

Are the community servers different from the official ones? Like that you have some tanks already unlocked? Because I wanted to play warthunder with my friends but the grind put me off since I don't need a game as a second job

[@m103heavytank2]

@@mirek4357 the community servers are like war thunder servers but you can have unlimited respawns if its enabled

[@mirek4357]

@@m103heavytank2 Oh so its more casual then you have to just have 1 good tank Okay, thanks for the info man

[@ey7290]

Its not his job to decide the fate of parts and FPE, but at the same time his behaviour on that stream was unacceptable, He listed things people are not asking for as an excuse to get angry

[@ryanwilbur3554]

I remember back in 2015 or 2016, there was a general chat feature where anybody in your region's server could chat. At one point in the NA server, there was a multiple hour long error that made it impossible to join a match. People started to spam general chat to the point at which Gaijin started banning multiple users, at first temporarily, but they quickly turned to permanent bans. In the aftermath, hundreds of NA players were banned, some just for simply posting a message. If memory serves, Gaijin did eventually allow you to try and repeal said ban after this blew up in their face. I'm pretty sure this is a big part of why general chat was removed.

[@z3r0_35]

Not that it was something that was really missed since it was a toxic shitfest run by the most petulant, tyrannical moderation team I'd ever seen, and that's saying something.

[@Sandalphon36]

@@z3r0_35 Makes WoT chat look like a church

[@sigmamale4147]

Censorship moment

[@casedistorted]

dang general chat was removed ? because gaijin couldn't be bothered to make their game work properly?

[@localdrugseller6431]

I remember when the chally controversy happened. The guy leaked cutout of the turret to prove mantlet armor should be thicker by comparing it to truinnon length. Not only did he take wrong measurements for truinnon length making his argument faulty he also wrote "declassified" himself on the document. Absolutely laughable.

[@LosBerkos]

There is more myth than truth to that at this point. For all that's currently known, that document was indeed declassified whether in error or not, was presented in a heavily redacted form, and there have been no criminal proceedings against the guy. If the documents had been manipulated there absolutely would have been. All information claiming this to have been classified information came straight from Gaijin themselves (including MoD's supposed comment), in what is so far a most succesful series of PR campaigns involving supposedly "classified" bottom-of-the-barrel decades old technical docs.

[@cogcog5264]

@@LosBerkos Imagine leaking gov docs so the shitty tank could get a buff

[@frog382]

Gaijin is not trying to be historically accurate if THEY DONT GIVE FREE FPE

[@thehatred94]

Or take away kill cams. Or put some sort of proper spawn protection.

[@hungryhedgehog4201]

I just thought about downloading the game again thanks for putting me straight.

[@---Iloveyou---]

Not to mention the shit economie

[@michaelwittmann5754]

I suggest to play Wargamings games

[@zed4126]

I remember there was another controversy this one was with the H8K2/H8K3 bombers. Back when the japanese air force tree was still kinda new and sparse they made a dev blog about the H8K2 coming into the game. The original devblog did not make reference to it being added has a tech tree plane or premium. The fact of it being a premium was edited to the devblog sometime later .This caused backlash from the community because the players saw that has gaijin robbing the sparse Japanese tree at the time of another tech tree plane. The finally capitulated by adding the H8K3 has the premium and the H8K2 has a tech tree one, however the H8K2 was added at rank 1 with Researh cost of 40.000 RP and it stayed like that for years only recently it was lowered to 7.900RP now being at a reasonable cost.

[@axeavier]

One small controversy you might have forgotten was GJN sending copyright strikes to anyone posting bugs of WT before it was released form beta. It got to a point where anton made a threat or ultimatum where he gave 2 harsh choices but I can't recall what they were. Another controversy was anton saying some really harsh words on reddit but I doubt that counts as anything

[@colerend4431]

I mean if it was in Beta stage then I kinda understand but Anton being angry no way

[@DD-mp1kl]

I remember that was when The Mighty Jingles basically quit all WT videos for a long time and even to this day they are very rare.

[@Count_Gustav]

Allow me to add another Gaijin's f*ckery - Copyright strike one of Phly's video because it shows "presumably" cheating player - 3D camouflage fiasco

[@Adriaticus]

Bruh what about the terrible economy changes they made in groundbreaking? It makes the game unplayable to anyone without Premium

[@steelwasp9375]

It already was, though. As a f2p player, I see no changes. You'll just have to play low-tier forever.

[@Richardvariety]

Now even to premium account...you can make kills, doing quite good, but if u lose the match u get ~10k sl+repair cost if u died (italian sidam 25 cost 12k to repair)...while in planes ab i get 60k sl in one match even if i lose

[@humphrey09applebee61]

Gaijin has a long track record of blunder and mess ups. Years ago the community suspected that there was something fishy with certain soviet fighter planes damage models, surviving head on collisions with little to no damage while the opposite plane got wrecked. Gaijin absolutely denied that anything was wrong until several dude posted videos where they hit planes, trees and airfield control towers with their planes, surviving it, Plane spinning wildly through the air, but ultimately unscathed. You might still find youtube videos about it. Of course many bans were handed out for pointing this out. It took several weeks until Gaijin acknowledged something was wrong and fixed it. Only one example of many many blunders on Gaijins side which they absolutely refused to acknowledge in the beginning only to have to cave in later.

[@kireta21]

My personal favour of "you have no proof of it" was Russian APC shells having double normalization, negating plenty of slope effect of armor. This was confirmed when piercing simulation was added to game. For example Traitor-34 glacis was 45mm + 15mm at 60 degree, making it 120mm LOS. After normalization, all capped shells needed 107mm of penetration to pierce it, except Soviet shells than needed only 79mm. Similarly, 150mm LOS armor of Jumbo was worth 102mm vs Soviet shells.

[@OlujaDoTokija]

Also the controversy that German tanks caught fire even when they bounced off the enemy shell

[@z3r0_35]

Yep, the "Lumber-Yak" video.

[@jojomaster7675]

So first teamkilling and decal sizes, now the chat... So much for being apolitical

[@dripthanos5595]

"the ability for allies to fight your fires has been added" yeah, but nobody does it. not even squadmates unless your friends with them

[@Commrade-DOGE]

I mainly play arcade battles on ps4 and it’s super rare to have anyone help with repairs. And usually by the time your on fire your usually ded

[@nooblangpoo]

Aw man, I want those flags to come back as free since they're pretty great as wing decor.

[@kirishima638]

Charging 500GE for a fucking flag is pretty scummy. If they were really concerned about 'nationalism' they could just remove them. Instead, they monotized the problem.

[@shuhratkessikbayev8886]

It's a shame that team killing was removed from ground battles because Russians and Ukrainians continued team killing each other because there are certainly players who deserve a friendly shell right up the arse

[@thehatred94]

Yeah about 80% of the player base. Between spawn rushers/pushers, absolute morons continuously rushing to their death instead of playing defensively, even bigger morrons continuously thining out the defense by trying to get a 3rd cap that isnt necessary to win a match. Or german teams that still dont underdtand they have no buiseness beeing on the offensive in battle modes... seriously stop trying to push...

[@JM64]

@@thehatred94 And also literally anyone seen playing an R3 or EBR. Make them unplayable

[@thehatred94]

@@JM64 wait you're saying EBRs should be made unplayable...? is it because they're a pain in the ass as opponents, or because they're a luggage as teamates? Because if the later... i had some good matches that would speak the opposite... the former...well that's understandable

[@JM64]

@@thehatred94 Pain as opponents. Post-war tech shouldn't face WW2 tech. I'd sacrifice my PT-76's 5.3 BR just for balance of the EBR and R3

[@thehatred94]

@@JM64 the prenium EBR or other one? Because the non prenium really is not much more than a fl11 with wheels, and its actually kinda harder to use than its tankette version, specially when peeking arround corners. But well i both kinda aggree and disagree. Some vehicles definitely have an edge over older tanks but they're not really omnipotent. R3s arnt that big of a threat really. I may have been killed by one or two occasionally. And the other day i killed 3 regular EBRs with my 88flak train. If you know what you're doing most tanks arnt really that big of an issue. The main issues are top mounted MGs magically firing without anyone manning them. It would be fairer if the commander or loader actually have to stick out the hatch and man the MGs to fire them. The real thing that has no place beeing in the game, are killcams/hit markers. If you ask me. Nothing more infuriating than revenge bombs. Individual sound settings too. You shouldnt be able to lower your own engine or shots sounds just so you can hear the opponent's engine better.

[@signor_No]

In 2014 reduced the flag dimension, 2022 not disposable chat for the same thing, this is interesting

[@drexsol2312]

Red pilot debuff is still here but only on Xbox arcade air and it is on at the start of all games with a pilot not getting hit once.

[@Bruski_Two_Zero]

I remember being able to scale up the "spade" decals to make your tanks to make them look burnt out, made for great moments in ground RB

[@RedFox10200]

I SWARE THE BOOSTERS ARE RIGED i can play for Hrs and never get a up tired but when i use a 500% i get up tired every time

[@JM64]

Of course they are

[@borgKick]

can confirm i hae a shite game every time a pop a 500%er

[@theoneandonlyartyom]

i get uptiered no matter what so lucky you

[@ztronktium]

Ily Matt, amazing content ❤️❤️

[@fantastichungry678]

yes yes yes

[@apillow8724]

SO THAT'S WHY DECALS ARE SO SMALL NOW All my aircraft used to have massive polish air force squares on the wings because I liked the pattern it made. They disappeared a while back, that makes me sad.

[@Commrade-DOGE]

F

[@davidgreenway5864]

Does this video need a revision in the near future?

[@dragonfusilier9173]

There was also the time when gaijin sponsored a gun / tank channel based in Donetsk (Separatist Ukraine)

[@4T3hM4kr0n]

I saw that briefly as a discussion on the steam forums, about how "gaijin supported rebel insurgents"

[@aces6262]

Gaijin moment lmao

[@pavelslama5543]

Warthunder is typical for its controversies, as its developed by a company that never decided if its interested in politics, or in money, and if the game is an arcade or a simulation, resulting in a failure in all those categories.

[@LosBerkos]

What

[@tk-5268]

"failure" LOL

[@pavelslama5543]

@@tk-5268 Tell me one of those things that doesnt apply.

[@jameshodgson3656]

7:00 GE price does actually depend on your currencies dollar though. If you're paying in rubles or Yuan you can expect to pay ~30% as much as if you're using USD.

[@4T3hM4kr0n]

they got rid of the bulk GE discounts so now its expensive and plain stupid trying to obtain the premium currency here in the US.

[@ninetalis]

Oh man, there is so much more you forgot, just from the top of my head: - 'Fix the game 1.91' hashtag - When ships were added, it was stated only small vessels would be added because the larger ships would not be entertaining enough to play, to large dismay of the community - The DMCA takedown of the Inside Gaming Daily youtube video where it was reported people noted a WT steam pack on sale during a steam sale, but allegedly the price had been raised shortly before the sale and then lowered to the standard pricing (or something along those lines), which is illegal with both steam and by US law. Gajin responded with a DMCA takedown of the video within the day, seemingly in an attempt to silence the news channel. Later the CEO said this was 'a mistake' and the company intended to 'claim' the video instead of taking it down, which either way would be a breach of KZbin's claiming system at that moment. - Upon introduction the B-29 got a reduced bomb load compared to what it had historically for 'balancing' reasons, but later the TU-4 was added with its full bombload, larger than the B-29 historically, and was added at the same br with vastly superior weapons, making air RB unplayable at its BR, as it was even impossible for jets with airspawns to intercept one, let alone 4, Tu-4 and you would get pilot sniped or set on fire from 2km out, but usually they would already bomb out all the bases before it was even possible to intercept them. This went on for several weeks, one of results is that the 23mm has been nerfed to death even to this day. - The introduction of ATGM's, only Russia got a tank with ATGM's (IT-1) in the beginning, giving russian teams a mayor edge. There were also various issues with ATGM's jumping all over the screen with server issues (or even invisible) with its introduction, making it hard to spot and dodge them. - During the 2016 "Thunder League" eSports tournament, you could buy a dog tag which would allow you to unlock unique skins made/inspired by the competing e-sport teams. It was noted several times that the skins would be unlockable at any time the player liked, even if that meant it would be 2 years, but after the sale this was suddenly walked back on and people only got 2 or 3 weeks to unlock all the skins, which was an issue for most as many of the skins were for high tier vehicles from various nations with very specific time intensive tasks, and something people paid for. - PhlyDaily made a video once in which he exposed a cheater, and despite him stating he was showing this as proof that they exist (as WT kept insisting there were none or a negligent percentage of cheaters). After taking down the video with a DMCA claim (again, technically not allowed according to the YT claiming system back then) one of the CEO's made a forum post in which they accused him of advertising to people to cheat. Then he gave the playerbase two unrelated options to 'remedy the issue'; have markers added to RB (something which would affect all of us), or to receive the blessing of the playerbase for the company to have the ability to sue and silence youtubers for exposing cheats or other material they deemed damaging to the game (basically giving them the power to silence people and something which would only affect youtubers). This got such a backlash that both options were dropped and later the anti-cheat was added because of this, additionally blaming phlydaily for the amount of cheaters in the game because of this one video that was only online for a few hours. - In 2014, WT had an event for its anniversary where after X amount of wins or something, you would get 1 random vehicle out of 5. 4 of these were either rare and/or usable T2-3 vehicles (LaGG-3-23, DB-7, XF5F, TB-3) and the 5th was the He-51 Floatplane. Naturally most wanted one of the other 4 and not a plane worse than the reserve He-51. After a while it became clear that roughly 60-80% of the players had received the he-51, which pissed off a large part of the community for having received a near useless reserve aircraft which at that point wasn't rare at all. - Sparks have always been an issue, but back in 2013 or 2014 it reached such problematic proportions people became incredibly vocal about it which several forum points and gajin having to rework some code to make the problem less pronounced. - Nuke torpedoes, after the Submarine april fools, torpedoes became incredibly powerful, able to be dropped on land and take out several tanks. Not exactly a controversy but still something which was naturally exploited by the playerbase. Additionally, I also have a buddy that has been banned from the game for 'cheating', even though it was somebody else who logged into his account on the friend's computer, who had some sort of software installed for a completely different game.

[@R4V3-0N]

Gaijin was kinda right with ships though. Every new class of larger ships adds more people quit, with Battleships being why WTs largest naval YTer quits WT as they think Battleships should be removed and only adds to the problems navy has with this.

[@airplanemaniacgaming7877]

@@R4V3-0N the only problem I have is giving only 2 countries a battlecruiser/battleship in a version later than the 1930s. (Scharnhorst and the Sevastopol-class) meanwhile all the other navies get 1920s at the latest (cmon man, stop giving the two countries nobody considers as good (fuck you Wehraboos, your precious Kriegsmarine was dogshit. Get over yourselves) and fucking the countries that had actual decent firepower! (America, obviously Britain, hell even Japan!))

[@scotttill3847]

I think Guyjob could go one step further with the parts/FPE malarkey: just make them a single module, or allow players to research both simultaneously (say you earn 7000 RP in a match with that one vehicle...I know, that is outrageous, but just pretend; the 7000 RP would effectively be doubled to 14000, with 7k going to each module). If they went with the first option (the parts/FPE as one module concept), they could add a second module for an additional FPE charge. I know it sucks getting knocked out by getting set on fire 3x (not that I would ever do that to another player, lol). Some tanks have self sealing and/or self-extinguishing fuel storage. The "help with firefighting" was a nice idea, but who wants to give up one of their FPE uses to give to another player who might still immediately get killed right after helping them put out the fire? WT is theoretically a team-based game, but we all know it is a match of mostly random lone wolves running around trying to get the most kills/caps. Perhaps Guyjob should increase the rewards for team-based actions, like active scouting and assists. I do wish scouting assists counted as an actual assist in the end-of-match summary (though they do count as assists while in the match, oddly enough). Sometimes I get a battle pass daily task of getting x number of assists...it is sort of silly to run around shooting out engines, a single crewmember, radiators, and fuel tanks and leave the potentially crippled enemy to repair in hopes someone on your team eventually finds them to finish them off.

[@aldousfoxly]

Just a few days ago my stock M163 got set on fire in our spawn and a friendly Wiesel miraculously both noticed and stopped to help me extinguish AND repair. First time I can remember that happening, usually people are too far away to help you extinguish in time.

[@airplanemaniacgaming7877]

@@aldousfoxly I always try to help my team when I'm in a Lighty. Never ever leave a comrade behind, and always make sure to repay their kindness. Best way to get the W is teamwork.

[@lbwertheimer5705]

Gaijin more efficient than the KGB was

[@EyMannMachHin]

IIRC, the flags being made paid for and the decal size were actually responses to two different issues. The flags are as you said, but the decal size was in response to people putting up large scale dark decals on their tanks to make them appear dead in RB and SIM.

[@kristianfagerstrom7011]

Gaijin is censoring their forums so hard, that the need for it should be a bigger red flag to Gaijin than the statements that they censor.

[@cutthroat795]

Fun fact parts isn’t discounted on certain tanks. One I know of is the Strv 103A.

[@bigbirdmun7729]

"Because of tensions between Russian and Ukarine players" This aged like fine milk

[@martinmethod427]

Now we can't even have the ability to communicate AND differentiate friends from enemies via numbers. Good luck in simulator, because there it's basically a FFA match that has a 50% chance of rewarding or punishing you for killing a Sherman that could either be a American one or one of the MANY Lend-Lease Nation variants that, for some reason, are better than the original American variant. This... all because of the Russian Invasion of Ukraine.

[@mibraheem2263]

You know a videos good when it ends too quick.

[@TheReal99Gamer]

I rate the smooth transition into the promotion of your other video. I rate it.

[@atomic9551]

you deserve way more subs man. Quality ways, you are one of the top war thunder youtubers.

[@atomic9551]

*Quality wise

[@ahalfsesameseedbun7472]

I had 3 LA-7s hovering above our spawn. Super annoying. Need spawn protection for planes.

[@alexdivision4320]

I remember when the He219s gunner crew was considered a pilot and could fly the plane when the actual pilot facing towards was knocked out. The red pilot point reminded me of that

[@ignacio1171]

You forgot the incident when Popular War Thunder player and KZbinr known as Phly Daily made a video exposing a player for using cheats, and Gaijin forced him to take the video down, as to not draw attention to it.

[@actiniumanarchy9237]

7:20 this didn’t age well

[@Nikkisuhr]

im glad youtube recomended this to me, keep the good content bro

[@glattmasmas1485]

it would have been nice to talk about the stock syndrome video controversy too, where gaijin released a video talking about the stock syndrome, giving some awful recommendations and finishing the video basically saying "if you dont like it - pay the golden eagles". after the backlash they ended up removing the video.

[@josiahs-piano]

My day just got better since you uploaded! thanks!!!!

[@georges.patton4241]

Most controversial update for me was moving the jumbo 76 to 6.3

[@generalpatton8468]

I remember when they made the Jumbo's armour shit as well. Thank God they fixed it.

[@toki_tsu_kaze5511]

Ah yes, War Thunder Lore

[@Gath_23]

0:18 PAVEL, WE FOUND HIM

[@Hbhnudeh743]

Such a well done video, just wish you talked a bit about the current economy nerf!

[@keve20]

Some stories missing, u can make an episode 2 XD (youtubecup, zerbah fired etc...). However great vid!

[@wiiconsole2]

My man you came into this history lesson too soon, there were so many weird things that went on before tanks were added, albiet the game wasn't as big back then. The bomber spam issue, the arado ramming protest, the D-13 having a huge amount of weight added to it after it went on sale. I distinctly remember there being rumors that gaijin was taken to court over the D-13 modification or at least, the modification of a premium someone had purchased that was then nerfed. Hell how about the time they had to completely change how matchmaker worked after they gave japan the T-2!

[@user-sr5yo4oi4l]

there are companies that make fantastic games. you are happy to support them. there is also the gaijin that you regret for 1 euro

[@racingraptor4758]

Never gave them a penny ( and a grosz which is lowest possible currency in my country, equivalent of 0,4 eurocent)

[@whyme2095]

"give everybody a free abrams" that is kinda now true with the m1a1 aim

[@Callofmuts]

Remember when any tank could help repair instead of only certain vehicles? Good times

[@Orodreth888]

Also, when your driver on the ground is red, your tank becomes sluggish. You have a significant delay on steering commands.

[@stealthysaucepan2016]

there was another big controversy where gaijin basically tried to rally the community to copyright claim/take down youtube videos etc that showed war thunder cheats/hacks. it was a while ago so some of the details could be wrong but the mighty jingles stopped playing war thunder because of it

[@mpk6664]

If they took down videos of the hacks then it's fine, but videos showing other players cheating for evidence is not.

[@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537]

@@mpk6664 If I remember it in my old age, they were brigade banning for exposing cheaters and problems. They still do it.

[@UncensoredGunEnthusiast]

The sad part is that you can still get teamkilled in air arcade by someone knocking you into a cliff

[@stansearcheslife6363]

I miss the old war thunder man I almost got the leo 1 and they slapped another phanter between it After 6 or 7 years that was the final straw

[@nostradamusofgames5508]

Gonna need a Part 2 for this video.

[@83athom]

Kind of interesting how for the Free Abrams section you skipped over the second response of the bundle that gave you a 'free' XM-1 and "Free Abrams" title with a purchase of a big pack of GE.

[@dontcallmeroly2031]

"Might as well give everyone a FREE Abrams tank!" ... Yeah that one aged like milk...

[@hemendraravi4787]

honestly jets flares n missiles r like tanks fpe and parts even the missiles are ok but we need flares as a tier 1 mod n its rp cost reduced by half or something

[@samgeorge4798]

Nostalgia. Ahhhh

[@midknightranger71]

Why does Google let translate this comment?

[@ghost_of_Obruchishte]

Yesterday a Ukrainian player teamkilled me for having the Bulgarian flag on my plane

[@spacekraken666]

Sadly, alconafter's original channel was deleted due to Zvezda (Russian federal channel) being unhappy with his videos where he was criticizing Russian military vehicles (using footage from Zvezda channel). And even though he removed all the videos he's been told to remove, he did not get his channel back. Years of history are gone. Today he has 2 channels, "alconafter" where he mainly plays War Thunder, and "История Оружия" (or "History of Weapons"), about military and historical stuff, as well as politics and other things happening in the world.

[@breadboi1248]

proves that enemies are just team mates in blue

[@friedcalamari1406]

I played during red pilot, it was pure pain. Imagine your flaps and wings are broken. Turning is a pain. (btw I am still playing props)

[@Trigg3rHippie]

It was a minor stuff but when they released a German premium La-5 it was an absolute UFO. That plane was insane. And so were the sales figures. And then the sekrit dokumints were found and everything went back to normal. Normal. Hah.

[@moyashi_]

good stuff as always matt!

[@TristeNoirXIII]

The Fact THat E-100 Tournaments Was Not On This Makes me Feel Old That What I Remember Was One Of The Biggest Upsets is now Forgotten

[@luiswarthunderyt]

I love your videos Matt, good Job 👍👌

[@colerend4431]

What about that Potato"can't remember the name"guy that spaceclimbed in every battle using Il28

[@snarkymoosesshack8793]

I uninstalled the game in '19. Unsurprising, but still sad, to see it's still a complete hot mess.

[@colesultemeier1300]

7:40 well aged well

[@hans496]

That fpe would've been handy earlier today I was in a uptier(surprise suprise) in my Panther D, I get vibe checked by heat fs and it hits my fuel and I burn up

[@airplanemaniacgaming7877]

Panther D? More like Panther Deleted! _laughs in 17-Pounder APDS_

[@CarryPotter007]

This is what I've subscribed for

[@DantalionNL1]

With parts sure I can understand it might be researched how to field repair it, but if my crew needs to research where to buy a frigging fire extinguisher every time I buy a new tank, thats a joke.

[@reaps912]

> Copypaste multiple tanks into multiple nations (eg "Italian" M18) > Allow these tanks to be used in SB (no markers) > Get TK'd constantly > Prevent players from putting far-more-obvious insignias like FLAGS on these copypaste tanks by hiding them behind a 500GE paywall 𝕘𝕒𝕚𝕛𝕚𝕟

[@topbanana.2627]

Cant help that some nations bought these tanks and used these tanks from other nations.

[@wetube6513]

Copypaste russian mig-19s for German mig-19s instead of other jets actually designed in Germany like Arado NJ-1.

[@topbanana.2627]

@@wetube6513 Nj 1 only existed in drawings. This isnt world of tanks

[@TheMinidow]

@@topbanana.2627 Horton Ho.

[@kingtiger3390]

@@topbanana.2627 *smiles in 10,5 Tiger II and Mausturm E-100, just to begin with*

[@villevaittinen7045]

These videos are gold!

[@legendoftotalboretrollihat3335]

Back in my day you’d get a 2-4x RP boost for the first battle of the day, and certain nations of the day!

[@bickboose9364]

We also shouldn't forget the extra armor the T-29 and IS-6 got for a few months after launch, should we?

[@pride2184]

"Weird warthunder would want to censor the internet" you clearly haven't tried to communicate with them. They tend ignore bugs and glitches and when you report them they say its a you problem when hundreds of people are like hey new bug. Then their steam moderators tend to mute anyone who discredits or discuss their dislike of wt devs. Same on many other forums that discuss war thunder. Most communities dont act this way but war thunder devs do. Its weird.

[@whiskey8838]

the ukraine/russia topic really didnt age well

[@user-vu9ug4vb3u]

One more story for you. During one gameplay stream on ru official channel before patch alot of players was storming chat with require of sales for premium vehicles from incoming patch. Stream team gave crowd code for 3% off (probably, the best they was able to request), but people get even angrier for discount being so small. At one point one of streamers get pissed off and said something like "we say hello to all scourges who wants a sale". Whole wave of hate fell on Gaijin in next week, guy who said it was removed from stream team (but not fired), they deleted stream record and was heavily moderating comments for the next month. Also, this is, probably, the reason, why there is almost no gameplay streams on ru channel. The funny thing is this tank, that people was require discount for, was japan Type 74. And russian version of "scourges" is "bichi". So this tank get name Bi-Chi in russian community.

[@z3r0_35]

One event I'm shocked you didn't cover is best known nowadays as the "Sky Police Revolt". This was in response to bomber spam, especially in Simulator battles, and led to mass team killing of bombers by the self-described "Sky Police" in what could only be decribed as a full-blown revolt by the playerbase. Similar measures were taken in RBs as well, only the preferred method there was ramming, and unlike the Sky Police, the main squad formed as a result of that is still around.