Was Civil War (2024) Realistic?

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Civil War (2024) is a drama/action movie about a group of 4 journalists who are traveling through a dystopian America on their way to Washington, DC to interview the president before he is deposed by rebel forces.
The movie is a mix of accuracy with some really accurate moments, some boneheaded decisions and some obvious props.
Was it a good movie? It was a solid movie with some good moments.
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Get 40% off Blinkist Annual premium! Start your 7-day free trial by clicking bit.ly/RyanMcBethJul24 or by scanning the QR code. Civil War (2024) is a drama/action movie about a group of 4 journalists who are traveling through a dystopian America on their way to Washington, DC to interview the president before he is deposed by rebel forces. The movie is a mix of accuracy with some really accurate moments, some boneheaded decisions and some obvious props. Was it a good movie? It was a solid movie with some good moments. How an M240B works from 3DGunner: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpW7oIiCmLd2haM How Air Assault Works: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mnPWdml9gKZ8o7M For uncensored video, check out my substack at: ryanmcbeth.substack.com Like my shirts? Get your own at: www.bunkerbranding.com/pages/ryan-mcbeth Want a personalized greeting: www.cameo.com/ryanmcbeth Watch all of my long form videos: kzbin.info/aero/PLt670_P7pOGmLWZG78JlM-rG2ZrpPziOy Twitter: @ryanmcbeth Instagram: @therealryanmcbeth BlueSky @ryanmcbeth Reddit: /r/ryanmcbeth Join the conversation: discord.gg/pKuGDHZHrz Want to send me something? Ryan McBeth Productions LLC 8705 Colesville Rd. Suite 249 Silver Spring, MD 20910 USA

[@rahjah6958]

How the hell was this posted 7 days ago

[@MattttG3]

How is this post 7 days old and the video is on 18 mins old?

[@transcendentalidiot3321]

Hey Ryan, Brandon Lee did not exactly die from a blank alone. He died from the a real bullet that was stuck in the barrel of the movie prop that was then propelled by a blank.

[@jacoblongbrake8230]

Let's be honest no one cares about war crimes bro

[@rocko7711]

🇺🇸

[@chasethevioletsun9996]

"The US Army is a logistical organization that dabbles in combat" -- Ryan, and my dad, since forever.

[@JohnMinehan-lx9ts]

Or, per SecDef Gates, "An HMO that occasionally fights a war . . . ."

[@XtremiTeez]

And they're not very good at logistics.

[@WilliamSlayer]

Wow, that's amazingly accurate! Never heard it put so well...👍

[@mattjack3983]

Army veteran here...yeah that tracks

[@robertelder164]

@@XtremiTeez To the contrary the US military logistics is a wonder of the world.

[@323guiltyspark]

I don't think Jesse Plemmons' character was meant to have been an actual soldier. Before the war, he was probably just a militia LARPer who always fantasized about being part of a death squad and now he gets to live out his dreams.

[@abhishekrao1525]

I thought it was pretty obvious that he was a white nationalist that's finally able to put his fever dreams into action.

[@ATeaDaze]

I assumed he set up a base on his property and was doing his own thing (loyalist but not officially). The most disturbing thing was how the mass grave looked like it was mostly civilians. The rebels in the movie often didn't wear uniforms so maybe there were soldiers in there. The movie is intentionally ambiguous about most of the details. The only thing it clearly showed was that there were valid grievances, good people, and monsters on both sides (and nobody really "wins" when your country is at war with itself)

[@tacticoolrick5562]

Well if you don't want this movie to be a documentary, make sure you get out and vote this November!

[@personzorz]

Plenty of people like that wind up in the military. I know one.

[@Bicc_Ziphis]

This ^^ The irony about a lot of this stuff is that, it is the "preppers" and gun nuts that will CAUSE the problems if there ever was an apocalypse/civil war. Like how we keep building bigger cars in an arms race to feel more safe against each other, yet the effect is a more dangerous road for everyone, which then sells even bigger cars.

[@_gungrave_6802]

Fun fact about that scene with Jesse Plemmons(guy wearing the bright red/orange glasses). Originally he was never intended to be in this film. His wife is in the movie and he happened to be on set that day to support her. So what happened was the person who was supposed to play the bad guy in that infamous scene was unable to do so though I don't remember why. Plemmon's wife convinced him to take up the role despite his heavy reluctance to do so and it ended up being the most iconic scene from the movie. The only real major change Plemmons had for the character was to allow him to wear those sunglasses that he found in a thrift store near where they were shooting. Frankly the sunglasses kind of added to the crazy surreal nature of that scene. Now the reason for his reluctance to play the character is that like any actor he doesn't like being typecasted. Unfortunately for Plemmons he just has that look and ability to embody extremely horrible characters that do things even most villains would never do. The guy in real life is supposedly a very amiable and friendly person.

[@brawndothethirstmutilator9848]

He’s come a long way since playing Landry Clark in Friday Night Lights.

[@leftistsarenotpeople]

@@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 First time I ever ran across 'Fatt Damon' was the movie 'BATTLESHIP'. He was such an awkward, squirrely dude... a typical young sailor. Never thought he would become such an iconic actor with such a following.

[@JohnMinehan-lx9ts]

@@leftistsarenotpeople He was good in this. The Plemmons-Dunst Family are probably getting "His and Hers" Oscar Noms . . . .

[@rjohnson1690]

He really has the ability to pull off an Everyman that should be a nice guy, but is really a creepy evil guy vibe.

[@niccage6375]

He was great in Game Night. He played a cop that's socially awkward but he ends up saving the day

[@KingDoomfist]

I worked with some super cool Croatians who told me the average combatant would ACT like they were shooting their old neighbors and high school pals, but would really just shoot the air b/c, like, very few hearts and minds on either side. Twinge of faith in humanity restored.

[@lightfeather9953]

Yeah I thought old research found basic (western countries) recruits without modern training (or very ideological fighters) tend to not shoot to kill. Many in the 1800s shot to miss apparently. It's interesting how humans also have a history of ritualized warfare. Like animals with their antlers. Sometimes better to have shows of force without the casualties to go with it. Not that they didn't also slaughter their enemies entire tribe at times but it's interesting how complicated human behavior can be depending on the scenario.

[@David_randomnumber]

​@@lightfeather9953lindybeige had a whole video about that. Apparently only around 10% of people are able to shoot at another human with the intention to kill. Modern military training (post WW2) boosts those numbers up to around 90% but this still leaves scars. Most unrealistic in this movie is in my opinion the ammo waste. If you don't know how to get more I think most civilians will be very careful to not use them until necessary.

[@LegendStormcrow]

That's actually something well documented even with people from different countries. It's something like only 1 in 8 actually aimed at the enemy lines.

[@sc9160]

@@lightfeather9953 That notion came from research by SLA Marshall after WWII and popularized/applied to modern combat by a book called "On Killing" by Lt Dan Grossman with further research. The conclusions are highly disputed and in reality vary heavily from one conflict to another, and variables are hard to isolate.

[@artemismoonbow2475]

Dehumanization is a hell of a drug. IDF in Gaza, Nuff Said

[@bencheevers6693]

"when I lost my left arm I didn't feel a thing" Good thing you found it later

[@sjonnieplayfull5859]

He made a vid on it, really interesting story, go watch it

[@Oglokoog]

Yeah, I was a bit confused at that moment, had to go back and check. I was like "okay, I can understand how I missed NerdForge's missing pinky, but how did I miss a whole arm?"

[@sjonnieplayfull5859]

@@Oglokoog have you seen the vid on how he lost it & found it back.

[@buckspan]

Helicopter that crashed at the mall is a Sikorsky S-76 typically a VIP transport however the Eagle variant was made for military use

[@FirstDagger]

And the other one is an AS350 Écureuil.

[@spvillano]

At a certain point in production, one ends up losing some reality in favor of calling HelicoptersRUs. Just isn't worth the additional budget for a brief scene where the bent bird is incidental to the scene. It's not as if they were going to search a bent, burned bird for heat seeking moisture missiles.

[@tamlandipper29]

I think a key point is that in a civil war a LOT of civilian kit would get repurposed.

[@PyramidgodMeekman6]

@@tamlandipper29 This. I know this man served, and I honour him. Not everything he say is Gospel. A resisting force would use anything and everything available. That's why they "won" in this film.

[@PMAtreides]

That Apocalypse Now analogy is actually apt, Civil War really isn’t a civil war movie, but about journalism and society

[@johnrusac6894]

Did you mean Full Metal Jacket”??? Matt Modine was a Marine journalist in FMJ.

[@stirlingmatheson2005]

Weirdly most Vietnam war movies aren’t about the Vietnam war, apocalypse now is The heart of darkness.

[@bfrick]

Journalism has been dead in the US for decades and is a serious problem.😊

[@DeltaEchoGolf]

@@bfrick I was thinking this film (media) was more about the journalist (media) than it was about the war itself.

[@MotherAce]

to me this was the main issue with the film. It's definitely about war photo journalism and not civil war per say, hence the title is misleading, but it's narrative about them also becomes a bit wishy-washy or saying things that doesn't reflect well in the general populace.

[@differnet]

I absolutely love your comments about logistics. One of the things that I find ridiculous about this kind of movie is that it ignores the utter disruption that would happen to things like food supply, medical equipment, infrastructure including potable water and electricity - never mind gasoline. The closest we've ever seen to this kind of disruption would be the 1918 Flu epidemic. You thought getting toilet paper was hard in COVID, that's child play. The north could probably get supplies from Canada and the Southwest from Mexico, but who is going to bankroll them. Seriously, most people have no idea how important a stable government is to their comforts and life.

[@grantsmythe8625]

If I had the money, I would put your quote, "Seriously, most people have no idea how important a stable government is to their comforts and life." on every billboard along every highway and interstate in this country. I'd have every teacher, preacher, law enforcement official and politician appear on local TV once per week and repeat that quote. No, I'm not kidding.

[@mitchconner403]

“Soldiers win battles but logistics win wars” - Sun Tzu … probably

[@AdamMPick]

@@mitchconner403 "Therefore, a wise general will strive to feed off the enemy. One bushel of the enemy's provisions is worth twenty of our own, one picul of fodder is worth twenty of our own." -Sun Tzu: The Art of War

[@nathanbanks2354]

It mentioned super expensive gasoline for reporters in the movie, which they paid for in Canadian Dollars, but I guess the army had another source.

[@differnet]

@@nathanbanks2354 Yes, but there is still electricity. When they go through places at night there are all kinds of light. During the 1918 epidemic things got very serious, especially in cities, because not only miners to suck, but railroads shut down across the country. This coal became incredibly scarce and the gas lighting and nascent electrical service shut down. And food supplies were also horribly disrupted. Now, it would impact almost everyone.

[@tacticoolrick5562]

My favorite part of this movie is that Ron Swanson is the president. And since they don't say the president's name in the movie, it's now cannon that Ron Swanson became president.

[@erickgomez7775]

But President Swanson said "Many people are saying... " and that's a typical Trump line

[@chimchim2_]

Went from wood working to tyrant. I can see it

[@nathanashley5260]

So sad, he became the villain he vowed not to be.

[@sc9160]

On the last scene you mentioned. I thought the most striking thing was how proud they were of killing, and happy to pose in front of the bodies. They don't view what they did as wrong. I think it shows how in reality any kind of uprising would be filled with absolute horror, and people would be doing things that they were immensely cruel. It reminds me of the documentary "The Act of Killing" which follows former death-squad members of the Indonesian Civil War. They are proud of what they did, and happy to reenact their immense cruelty. If you haven't seen it, you absolutely must watch it - and maybe even do a review of it. It's uniquely horrifying.

[@bobafett_8922]

You should see what the iraqis did to their King, sometimes people are that unhinged

[@BeaverChainsaw]

Mussolini’s corpse was hanged upside down in Milan’s town square, Ceaușescu’s execution was filmed, and police posed next to Escobar’s corpse. There’s a rush to hatred and seeing your “enemies” fake or real dead. It’s sad but sometimes understandable

[@Juicejunkie409]

KZbin says as long as it’s a movie you could show violence guns machine guns whatever as long as it’s a movie

[@Hathur]

This is correct. KZbin won't block a video of fictional depicted violence. It can / will age restrict some videos depicting fictional violence. Though I somehow doubt there are children or young teens watching Ryan's channel in any meaningful number.

[@TheRealWilliamWhite]

If only there was a youtube for people under 18

[@dadistos4538]

@@Hathur Don't forget the 40 something percent of some peoples audiences that don't have accounts and therefore cannot even be suggested a video that gets age restricted.

[@chugachuga9242]

Apparently it’s also okay for news agencies to show uncensored combat footage

[@dadistos4538]

@@chugachuga9242 yes in their new rules regarding weapons they specifically said they will do this

[@thecommentaryking]

An important question as a non-American that has bugged me is what are the US allies in Asia and Europe doing? And most importantly what are US troops stationed overseas doing? I can't imagine NATO standing by watching their biggest ally destroy itself without doing something.

[@adamm.6595]

A civil war in the US is prime for overseas competitors and allies alike to fund, material support, feed the official and militia forces alike. Read 'Empire' by Orson Scott Card. A very interesting take on a US Civil War (sort of).

[@nobodyherepal3292]

Ya, I’d totally see Canadian and other NATO forces intervening in this conflict. There’s too much at stake while the US is fighting itself To lose if it goes on too long.

[@gixlopez]

And where are the wives because two weeks into this, someone is going to get a call asking when are you going to take Cody to goddammed soccer practice because I'm working while you're out playing war with your friends from the gun range.

[@nobodyherepal3292]

@@gixlopez ya that too

[@IAmTheOnlyLucas]

From my reading of US diplomatic history, during the real civil war the tone the Union took toward observing nations in Europe was "DO NOT INTERVENE IN OUR INTERNAL MATTERS." Despite their nervousness concerning the reports of fantastic bloodshed and economic dependence on union and rebel states, European partners did not intervene. The Confederacy's diplomatic corps was rather inept and never got to play their "King Cotton" card that they waved around before breaking away from the Union. I can only imagine that, unless the parties reached out to partners, Europe, South America, and East Asia may have been standing by and just watching the spectacle or jockeying to supplant an America in dire straits on the world stage.

[@jkbrown5496]

Surplus military vehicles are nice for civilian police until they have to find the budget for upkeep. The price for a new tire will make the accountants pass out.

[@jameslynn7271]

That's why I never understood why all these PDs would want them. They'd be better off armoring up a van, pickup or SUV. MRAPs are mostly hanger queens. Bearcats are specifically made for LE though and are more road appropriate. If PDs and FDs want high water rescue equipment they're better off getting a LMTV, but I see this as an excuse for a lot of departments getting MRAPS. .

[@itsteoroman]

@@jameslynn7271 "EXCUSE" lmao they are donated by homeland through a program ok bud.

[@jkbrown5496]

@@jameslynn7271 They are free, they are "cool" and the police making the choice aren't the ones skilled in lifetime cost analysis.

[@CheesyMez]

@@itsteoroman county police depts have positively 0 reason for military vehicles whatsoever

[@LewisB3217]

@@CheesyMez how are they suppose to militarize without their military gear? Duh!

[@jeremyfisher8512]

The colors pink, blue, and green come up a few times in the movie even during that sniper scene, no idea what the connection is but it comes up at different times

[@AH64Gunship]

I never noticed. What are some other scenes

[@jeremyfisher8512]

@@AH64Gunship I can recall two others, one at the start where its doing a aerial view of the city and on one of the buildings the colors are there, that and after the firefight involving the Hawaiian shirt guys the young lady sits underneath some chalk on the wall with those three colors. There might be more but I'd have to actively look for it.

[@brianwhedon8442]

They are force identification markings. They visually identify territory liberated from the Loyalists. There has not been any official confirmation but it is believed to be markings of the WF (or maybe the NPA). When you see them in NYC the graffiti visible below them say "F the WF". The snipers had the colors on their fingernails and sprayed into their hair. That would make them WF forces. Now the unnerving part is where the "boogaloo boys" are fighting the soldiers. In this video, he says they are loyalists soldiers. According to the director, the Hawaiian shirt people are the Florida Alliance. And that group is counter to the WF, just allied along for the "race to Berlin". If the area is WF liberated territory, then that would make the scene FA soldiers fighting then executing WF soldiers. It would explain why Joel was so happy to see them and why Sammy was concerned / not happy, even before the executions. That lines up with what Sammy says in the hotel, that the loose alliance holding the 3 factions together (WF, NPA, FA) will shatter the second the president dies. And the real civil war will begin.

[@Elong_Musket]

My suspension of disbelief stopped at the DC fight. I didn't even wanna finish the movie. As someone who was in the DC guard and activated during the riots of 2020 and Jan 6 I appreciated the earlier tones and themes the film played with. Those opening shots of soldiers in front of the capitol brought back some emotions I had at the time. But then all that came crashing down with a javelin missile arcing up and hitting the Lincoln Memorial only a second after being shot. Those F22 barrel rolls were foreshadowing for sure...

[@speedy01247]

yeah that makes no sense at all.

[@the_neo_crusader]

What was Jan 6 actually like?

[@huey13player]

I got such a weird feeling watching people in the same uniform I was in at one time getting summarily executed

[@frakismaximus3052]

By other Americans *

[@MrTexasDan]

​@@frakismaximus3052 what kind of americans?

[@jarlbalgruufthegreater1758]

Its funny af

[@soldaatjhu]

Imagine how Russians feel like when watching a movie made in the past 50 years lol. You think you're the good guy because of the uniform, while your enemy iditifies you from it.

[@huey13player]

@frakismaximus3052 Yeah, you got a point there. It's an easier thing to justify? Idk not really the right word for that, but to see someone much different than you and your countryman can identify as the "enemy" or other do shit like that and just feed it into hate or whatever.

[@MeatyOchre]

Brandon Lee died from a squib round that was stuck in the barrel nobody knew was there. The blank was then fired from the gun, pushing the squib out and into Lee.

[@townsville69]

Not looting bodies in films is my pet peeve (and I'm a loot goblin). Especially when in the next scene they run out of bullets and supplies. Gahd ! Pick up all the shiny's !!

[@Tiax776]

y -> ie. Or maybe I was mistaken and you meant pick up something belonging to someone called Shiny. Third option would be "pick up all the shiny is" but that doesn't make any sense either.

[@esobed1]

Run the pockets.

[@blueberrywilbur315]

If you have time, maybe I’ll just wait till I see you coming out with all my new stuff😂😂😂 🤯

[@Tr_Fast]

How else am I gonna get the parts I need for gunsmith?

[@daminox]

And you never know if someone is carrying valuable intelligence information until you loot them. Maps, notes, heck they might even have a journal in which they complain about something mundane like how they have to carefully ration food, or some other information that's worth its weight in gold. For example, a complaint about food rationing means they're already low on food for the troops, and therefore any more disruptions to their supply line could mean mass starvation. So then you'd target their supply lines for maximum effect against frontline troops. All of this could have been learned from one dead guy's journal. That's a big reason why you check the bodies. Also you never know if the body on the ground has a much nicer watch than you do LOL

[@ToddWBucy-lf8yz]

That is pretty much what I took away from my experience with IFOR in Bosnia back in 96 and again in 98 and 99. In total I spent 18 months with IFOR. It was then I realized just how thin the line is and how easy it is to go down that road.

[@SusCalvin]

I think Bosnia will be what I compare this movie with, not the USA.

[@johndcockefeller4246]

Jesse Plemons was awesome in that movie. I agree about the description of what the movie is actually about. The "civil war" is just the setting, the real movie is just about people and how quickly we can all fall apart.

[@Andre-qo5ek]

i gotta say... of the scenarios that might happen... the thing that is scariest is not looters to me. it is the over zealous people who think they are righteous and going to clear their own neighborhood of people they think are undesirable. the LARPers. the people itching to get back at a society they think bullied them. i am more concerned with the people that have worked themselves up into a frenzied of fear right now, then the potential crimes of desperation in the future.

[@dx-ek4vr]

Realistically, even as polarized as we are, I still don't think another American Civil War is in the cards. I can see isolated terrorist attacks from Far-Right and Far-Left groups à la Italy's Years of Lead, but a full-blown Civil War? Not so much. I also think if another American Civil War did happen, it wouldn't look like what was seen in the movie, nor would it be like the first one.

[@sagunsingh7415]

One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

[@spvillano]

@@sagunsingh7415 and the LARP crowd remains zero targets.

[@N17C1]

Yeah - scared people get aggressive really quickly. And they believe the movies and think they are the starring hero.

[@spvillano]

@@N17C1 the problem is, when someone thinks that they're the starring hero, but instead are the comedic relief.

[@CameronM47]

Things must have really gone to shit for Texas and California to form an alliance.

[@oldtop4682]

That's what I was thinking lol. Both states have a large number of military (both active and reserve/NG), so I guess that's what they were figuring on. Haven't seen the movie, that was all I could come up with for an alliance like that.

[@kchortu]

That's kind of the point as to why they have those two forming an alliance.

[@samwise1790]

@@oldtop4682 you could imagine some cassus belli for it. Both states are the largest by population and economy, and are or can be aggrieved about how despite this, they can get laws etc pushed onto them which they dont agree with and are specifically more harmful to them than anywhere else (at least perceived). For example the effects of immigration, the federal welfare programs 'taking' from them and sending elsewhere, or even more fundamental hypotheticals like a fed govt severely reducing their political power relative to their size and importance. Maybe the federal govt simply becomes too unresponsive relative to their own state govts to solve problems, or sees that they are 'too' effective and preempts their ability to do so. In thr same vein maybe the states overstep their bounds constitutionally and start doing things only the federal govt has the defined power to do, and the president/Congress heavily overreact and do something stupid (instead of solving a possible root cause, like the fed govt becoming unresponsive) like attempting to declare martial law and dissolve the state govt as they accuse them of becoming seditious, rogue, effectively a 2nd or 3rd federal govt given their power to lead the pack based on their population and markets/economic size.

[@PeterHarlequinWhite]

There's a throw away line at the start addressing these strange bedfellows. One of the characters says 'as soon as DC falls they'll turn on each other' implying it's a alliance of convenience and the fall of DC is just the first chapter in this civil war, not the end.

[@LewisB3217]

@@oldtop4682 California also supplies Texas with a ton of supplies, fresh (grown) food, clothing, California also is home to the largest number of serving people, largest combination of operational bases, training space, and support activities, that probably influenced Texas in joining up with California, either join up, or try to fight them and lose access to a lot of goods and gear

[@hydra70]

Another thing worth mentioning regarding logistics is the actual production of equipment. US military industry is extremely "decentrally centralized", where there are a ton of small to medium manufacturers, spread all over the country, that are primary or sole sources of various components, subcontracting for the big five defense contractors. Those manufacturers are extremely vulnerable. It doesn't matter if 99% of the manufacturing capacity is still intact, if you can't get random widget #42, then you can't make any more hellfire missiles. In a civil war its likely that defense industry would implode pretty much immediately, not just the supply chains, but the manufacturing capacity as well.

[@murraymadness4674]

The minute they stop getting paid, they stop producing anything.

[@ThePlayerOfGames]

I think you're overestimating how little a national military like this underestimates the important of those random little widget tool shops You would find those would have considerable defensive perimeters if defensible, or would be stripped down and moved if not, in the case of such a internal armed conflict

[@hydra70]

@@ThePlayerOfGames They're too numerous and spread out to feasibly defend, and would be really difficult to move due to the size, weight, and complexity of the manufacturing lines. Moving them would also shut the lines down for a long time, which in the short to medium term would have the same effect as their destruction. Military forces would obviously try to adapt as best they can, but it can take years to set up manufacturing lines for advanced military hardware, and that's without the supply chain chaos that a civil war would cause. They would have to focus on the basics first, like bullets and artillery shells. Aircraft and precision guided munitions would likely not be manufactured in any significant numbers during a large scale civil war unless it dragged on for long enough to get that production capacity built back up.

[@erincarson8998]

Yes and no. The manufacturing structure would collapse as it stands, but most parts could be made in almost any machine shop given enough time and skill. The disruption would be severe. Months long production delays, as equipment get rapidly expended.

[@hydra70]

@@erincarson8998 You're not going to be making advanced sensors, computer chips, or electronic components in "any machine shop". Making the basics like bullets and shells, as well as some simpler spare parts for air and ground vehicles, could be spun up pretty quickly in most machine shops, but there are critical components for aircraft, electronic equipment, and precision guided weapons that would simply not be procurable in the event of large scale, widespread civil war.

[@leibmoshe]

In reality, the president would be whisked away in an underground tunnel beneath the white house to a safe location with a military chopper waiting.

[@Badco1948]

Trigger discipline? I'm a Marine from wayback. In Vietnam, we didn't do trigger discipline as it is currently taught. It was safety discipline. The acceptable carrying condition of any non-crew served weapon was cocked and locked. Your weapon could definitely be on the trigger during carry, but you would use your thumb to unsafe the weapon in the case of the M-16 and M-79 and the trigger finger itself to unsafe the M-14 or it's predecessor the M-1. I'm not sure what the procedure was for the pig, as I never carried one, only FAM fired them at various times. Accidental discharge was just as big a sin as it is today back then. Maybe bigger in jungle areas, as it alerted any unseen enemy that forces were in the area.

[@chama8787]

The Apache helicopter flying and shooting between buildings is the most tacticool and less tactical thing at the same time.

[@guitarninjarick8179]

Realism really breaks down at the end. Like how the reporters are literally kicking the doors in with the troops. Ballsy buy stupid 😂

[@orlock20]

It might not have been an Apache. There are clones which could have been given to the militia by another country. Russian KA-52 pilots were seen to be right on top of the enemy in Iraq (shooting at ISIS) and in Ukraine.

[@wyattguilliams5325]

​@guitarninjarick8179 Though bringing weapons is discouraged, War Correspondents have had weapons on them in the past, and on Google, one guy had said having a weapon saved his life. So, although most modern war correspondents are not usually that close to combat, it's not impossible.

[@collinb.8542]

​@@wyattguilliams5325certainly not impossible but for a journalist to be literally going in *with* the entry team? Those would have to be exceptionally stupid soldiers and even more exceptionally stupid journalists lol. I mean I know the whole plot of the show is basically a road trip film about Journalists = Good but still.

[@Ray_Cism]

@@guitarninjarick8179If you’re overthrowing a president you’re gonna bring reporters

[@tedmichel3107]

I let a lot slide in this movie but seeing the prez just…hanging out in Oval Office while fallujah II happens outside kills me

[@Rigel_6]

"Who are you?" "Oh don't mind us, we're just here to livestream your brain getting blown out in 4k 60fps. Rolling in 30 seconds, get ready mr President"

[@ATeaDaze]

I thought they were going to reveal that the President and his cabinet had already evacuated so they could obliterate the White House with the rebels inside. I like this movie but I was disappointed by the ending the first time I saw it, "That's it? Well, that certainly is an ending"

[@LewisB3217]

@@ATeaDaze the president was trapped, surrounded on all sides by western forces, that’s why they sent out the decoy limo and then once the WF navy seals got inside, the president sends out the old FBI director to try and say the president surrenders, he knew it was over, he was just trying to play his last cards in a hope one would work

[@gixlopez]

and he didn't appear to have at least a personal detail protecting him until the last minute I kinda wish they would have found him dead but I think the director wanted to convey him as weak and alone.

[@gixlopez]

@@ATeaDaze Or how the vast system of underground bunkers and tunnels would have come into play. Also, why am I gonna hunker down in America's Graceland when I can relocate to Cheyenne Mountain?

[@AwesomeRepix]

They honestly missed out on using Drones to really show the horrors of warfare.

[@egregius9314]

I can imagine a civil militia boasting: "Earl's son knows how to fly drones, we can use one to safely scout the area!" right before 2 FPV drones slam into the group. As the survivors take cover, grenades start dropping from the sky, one at a time.The building starts burning, and the remaining militia decide to run to a non-burning building. As they come out of the door, they realise an air-dropped machine-gun drone has taken up position on the roof of a building at the end of the street.

[@stanhry]

Drone warfare is too current to end up in a movie. Especially the small personal drones.

[@AwesomeRepix]

@@stanhry Actually not entirely. Considering ISIS used DJI Phantoms and so on packed with HE all the way back in 2016.

[@AwesomeRepix]

@@stanhry And I can see the filming actually started after the UA conflict.

[@tlpineapple1]

@@AwesomeRepix Usually the initial script for a movie is written years in advance to filming. After a script is taken on, it usually undergoes multiple years of editing before casting is even started. Once casting is done and filming starts you can usually make minor revisions to a movie, much of which can be done in post, but anything major would involve delaying a project which costs no small amount of money. They cant just add something like drones into it without addressing how it effects the rest of the movie. This is something that so heavily effects the way the "world" works that every scene needs to be assessed otherwise the audience will question "why arent drones involved in this scene". When you establish a capability within the world you create, it effects everything in the world. Also, while there has been weaponization of civilian/small drones prior to the Ukrainian war, it was not to the same scale.

[@floydlawsen]

16:05 when it's Chuck Norris firing blanks, they are deadly 😊

[@philkipnis740]

Ryan, this is one of the best programs you've produced. I and your other supporters appreciate the effort you put into it. This is first-rate stuff and we appreciate it and thank you.

[@bradowens6565]

"Chesty Puller stopped the bullet!" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Top, keep em' coming man.

[@recondrone6826]

🤣

[@digiryde]

I honestly believe there is a not so small section of US Citizens who want an excuse to remove people who disagree with them. I also do not believe this section of citizens support the same ideologies and I also believe they would be targeting each other. Hoping they never find out how wrong they are about the realities of conflict.

[@crazychase98]

You mean like democrats already do in smaller scales all around the us. Or have done historical with the klan an other radical left orgaztions

[@SkellingtonWheel]

Prophetic comment

[@JulySeptemberjulyjulyjuly]

Bro was cookin with this one

[@CymruHunter]

we found Thomas's youtube account guys

[@touchmeharder1737]

Killing labor is very very short term thinking.

[@TheGamingPrivate]

I’m going to be honest considering the implications of the “Civil War” movie I started thinking from the timeline given in the movie this all happened in 14 months. What would have happened with all the other bases of the United States all over the world, troops deployed in other conflict zones, troops deployed in other U.S. territories it just would not make sense in my opinion for such a thing to play out in such little time just my thoughts. What do you guys think?

[@MikMoen]

Civil Wars don't mean that every and all assets are in play. There are allegiances and choices made, and a lot of Division Commanders have to choose what to do and who to do it for. Some might choose to sit tight and not act, some would swear to the sitting President, others might swear to the States that oppose the Administration. Since the film also says the President is on his 3rd Term, this has been boiling for at least 8 years prior, influencing the minds of the populace and Military with his authoritarian policies and actions. Then over the course of the conflict, as the Western States forces gain ground toward the Capital, those who remained loyal to the President would start seeing their efforts as a lost cause and many people don't want to die for no reason, which then the film states/implies that many of the loyalist units surrendered.

[@RhombusOfTheJ]

They'd probably just sit out and follow their last order. After the war they might just follow the WF's administration

[@TheGamingPrivate]

@@MikMoen But his third term was 14 months in technicality while I understand it could have been 8 years leading up to that. I still find all of that stuff happening not realistically within 14 months. Then consider the amount of vehicles that were shown cgi wise so what assets would play out is just what I’m curious about. I do understand in what your saying as well.

[@derpsternium8334]

America has a rifle behind every blade of grass. There's no way the war would last 14 months. It'd have very messy fronts too. Urban Geurillas, rural Geurillas shifting loyalties for units and states. It'd be on par with the Chinese Warlord Era in terns of Scale, Length, and Devastation.

[@paperburn]

@@MikMoen One of the most funny things that I hear about civil war is how bad it will be for the liberals. like liberals do not own guns.

[@VincentNajger1]

The boogs had a distinct similarity to the AK Guy, Garand Thumb and friends lmao

[@SuperNova-so2cj]

weird how that works

[@Peoples_Republic_of_Cotati]

Now if the sign had said "Mimes Ahead" what would the appropriate response be?

[@tatumergo3931]

You know that song by Bonnie Tyler - Total Eclipse of the Heart? The part that goes: Turn around, every now and then I get a little bit lonely. It doesn't makes a difference if it's Mimes or Mines.....

[@renaissancechambara]

The helicopter is a Eurocopter AS350 Écureuil. It's used in the US by law enforcement and by civilian operators. The AS350 is used by some militaries including the French Gendarmerie and the Chilean milltary, but I don't know if it's sold with gunship accoutrements There is a Chinese copy (Changhe Z-11) that has weapons on it.

[@orlock20]

I suspect equipment would be supplied by other countries just like in most civil wars. The U.S. armed ISIS before it was ISIS and the Taliban before it was the Taliban.

[@jamescastle7704]

I'd agree that it's a visually modified AS350/H125. The AS550 Fennec/H125M is the vendor designation for the military variant of the same aircraft and can be configured with weapons including rocket pods, torpedos, machine guns or cannons, missiles, etc. from optional external weapon mounts. The weapon mounts are mounted to the fusalage behind the doors midway up the side of the aircraft and the doors remain attached and closed (ammunition is carried externally with the mounted weapons). The configuration of the movie aircraft seems to be mimicing a AH-6 Little Bird, with ammunition located in the cabin (hence removed doors) which is not how this aircraft is operated, which further supports a modified aircraft.

[@silverbird425]

I disagree. Its a SA053 with Kirito cardboard cutouts. 😎

[@Kristina.Larson]

I agree completely about the logistics issues being far more severe than folks realize. We just had a supply chain interruption during the pandemic, and it affected everything from agricultural deliveries to the medical supplies for our local hospitals and clinics. Food requires fuel to flow (part of why inflation appears to be largely fuel cost driven). Not many people realize how much food, fuel, and supplies have to be imported for our use under the current supply chain. A civil war would make many trading partners back off, and that’s before the threat of one side blockading ports or sinking shipping to starve out the other sides.

[@davidty2006]

heck didn't the entire east coast go to shit over 1 pipeline being shut down by hackers?

[@shmuelp4504]

I think the last scene with the pristine desert Camo tanks and well groomed soldiers was what hit the realism for me. A last battle of a modern civil war would be fought more with beat up tanks in Ukraine style Camo, and boys in the backs of pick up trucks.

[@markkringle9144]

And maybe some tacticals (pickup truck with mounted machine gun) and armored SUVs.

[@shmuelp4504]

Right?! No way all that gear is lasting through the war with no scratches. A civil war with that many factions would be a logistical nightmare.

[@FoxMulder-FBI]

I think those units were their best, kept for the final push.

[@JOHNDUTTENHOFER]

It wasn't the attack helicopter going street-level and shooting a $20,000 missile at a target 20 feet away? Or the Abrams cannon going off next to people with no hearing protection on?

[@gixlopez]

@@markkringle9144 Technicals - of course this is a movie - and it was shot in 2022 -I bet future films like this will probably feature drones and badass Technicals similar to some of the ones being used in Ukraine.

[@Geschichtelehrer]

The crow thing: On March 31, 1993, Brandon Lee died in an accident while filming the film The Crow in an EUE/Screen Gems studio. Since production was delayed, dummy bullets were not used for some scenes, but rather real cartridges, from which only the gunpowder had been removed, but not the primers. The explosion pressure from the primer was enough to send a bullet unnoticed into the barrel, where it became lodged. When filming the next scene, blank cartridges were used, with actor Michael Massee's shot ejecting the stuck bullet. Brandon Lee was hit in the stomach. Despite immediate rescue efforts, he died twelve hours later at New Hanover Regional Medical Center in Wilmington, North Carolina.

[@treywaz]

"What kind of American are you?" Actually I'm a Marylander.🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠

[@GeorgeCoggins]

they forgot to add in the extreme die off from pestilence

[@mundanestuff]

Yup. This has been studied and reported-on by every administration since WW2, and commissions like The EMP Commission have reported on events like this to Congress every few years. With 2% of the population feeding the other 98%, and the choke points being grocery stores which are resupplied literally every day and carry a maximum 3-day supply of food, any action that takes out the truck drivers or farmers ends the nation as a whole. If something breaks down, it'll be quick, and it'll be ugly. The cities will empty, those people will flood the countryside, who has all the guns and all the ammo and no interest in serving as refugee center for the big cities. The cities would swamp the nearest suburbs and anywhere within a few miles of the highways, but once they run out of fuel (and they will very quickly), they'll setup camp. Better hope that's nowhere near you. The stench will reach around the world.

[@djdjukic]

Not really. There would be smugglers and other "entrepreneurs" who would step in. It was like that in Yugoslavia and many other countries in civil turmoil.

[@JojoJoget]

@@djdjukicyou watch too many movies, who’s gonna come in from where?

[@paladinsix9285]

I don't think that pestilence would result in an "extreme die off" such as it does in many Third World locations. Even with some "Anti-Vaxers" most of the citizens of the USA were inoculated as children. Despite an "unhealthy diet" and a majority of the population being obese, most are not vulnerable to most diseases. In Third World areas the vast majority of those who die of pestilence are children under five years of age; most of whom are malnourished from birth, and unvaccinated. Elderly people are vulnerable too. Water borne contagions might pose a risk. However, death by dehydration and starvation are more of a threat. In a few of the significant conflicts of the 20th century it was rare for people to starve to death; unless confined such as the Warsaw Ghetto, a Concentration Camp, or similar circumstance. People can survive on an astonishing small amount of food. It takes years of malnutrition to make people vulnerable to pestilence. the "Spanish (USA) Flu" (Influenza) became such a serious global epidemic because hundreds of millions of people had spent years with reduced nutrition due to the Great War. Even neutral nations suffered due to disruptions in trade, and much farmland (and farmers) not being available or working in difficult circumstances. We have never had a major nation, such as the USA, China, Japan, or the UK experience a devastating civil war in the era of "Skyscraper Mega Cities" so, we can't be sure what would occur. Speculation tends to the horrific!

[@GeorgeCoggins]

@@paladinsix9285 agreed

[@FarmerDrew]

Unrealistic in that the Excursion is the vehicle that you choose to go cross-country in an unstable nation

[@Stinger522]

What would you use?

[@Will-ts5ij]

Skateboard 🛹 ​@@Stinger522

[@FarmerDrew]

@@Stinger522 glad you asked! Nissan Frontier/Armada/Patrol would be my first choice . My 2013 Nissan Armada has been amazing to me. I used to work at a Nissan dealership and I've been religious with maintenance but it has gotten me 19mpg and towed 10k lbs on average every week for 8 years, and I can do relatively big work like hub assembly replacement in gas station parking lots (happened in Maryland) and parts/spares are plentiful. And they're made in Tennessee/Mississippi.

[@FarmerDrew]

@@Stinger522 and I'm a big Ford guy, I have a studded 6.0 F-250 and a Bronco Sport, but cross-country? Maybe the Bronco, but I'd prefer my Nissan.

[@FarmerDrew]

@@Stinger522 Excursion with the gas V10 you get 12mpg max, with the 6.0 diesel you can maybe get 20 mi per gallon but you are going to need to make sure your electrical system is always tuned up and that is going to be hard with all the computers that it has. If it is the 7.3 diesel, same thing about 12 mi per gallon.

[@dust1209]

We really, really, really don't want a civil war in the US.

[@jakeroper1096]

Russia is trying its hardest to push vile memes on both sides to make it happen

[@MeoithTheSecond]

How else are we going to put our king on the throne?.

[@tranvinhnhat1289]

@@jakeroper1096Russia have its own problems as well.

[@bvkronenberg6786]

Paint Ball!! North v South!!

[@justins8802]

@@MeoithTheSecondhe’s already been on the throne for a few days.

[@redslate]

Plemons' character most likely scavenged the uniform and 'stolen-valor'd" the combat badge, as evident by the combination Velcro and sew-on.

[@R451Ns]

by far the most unrealistic part of this movie is Texas and California agreeing on anything ever

[@neilgriffiths6427]

"52 million dollar wind chime.". LMAO.

[@Michaeldouglasharvey]

This channel really needs more Ryan skits. I can’t believe how much of this guys channel actually watch it’s entertaining and informative

[@gixlopez]

I admit the skits are well crafted and I like his delivery on the presidential impressions.

[@ChrisAlvarezAlvarezImaging]

As a photographer, I called BS on the entire thing when I saw the so-called "photojournalist" shooting Nikon SLR's. Yeah, nah.. No one will be out there dealing with film or analog systems, it will be digital media all the way, older Nikon DSLR's? sure, you bet- But old 35mm is for Etsy craft stuff, not real world news reporting.

[@MikePeterson7]

same, its a wannabe kid using her dads old camera in the movie, I think everything else was digital - but still silly

[@forcom5]

Give the bleeding hearts A24 from slack here - they just couldn't let it go. haha

[@Transblucency]

Yeah that was definitely an odd moment. I was amazed at how well that old Nikon handled low-light environments with a lot of fast movement. Obviously she was able to get her hands on some ISO 12000 film and fortuitously had it loaded for the indoors scenes. I for one would not have cared to try shooting under those conditions without being able to chimp.

[@HomesteadViewin]

I wonder if a large EMP would get any or all digital cameras. Where old school mechanical cameras would be unaffected. Just a thought, not an excuse 😊

[@ebouwman034]

I looked it up to see what she was using and it turns out she also had a Sony mirrorless along with the film camera. You would absolutely want a digital camera but there are a lot of photographers who will shoot both so I don't think it's totally out of line. Also, it follows the rule of cool... old Nikon SLR's were the cool photojournalist camera.

[@martinp1544]

I agree. Civilization is a very thin line. People were fighting over toliet paper at the big box stores…..

[@martinp1544]

In 2020…

[@MrCashewkitty]

If you look at any warzone, there are still people living somewhat normal lives outside of active combat zones or cities under siege.

[@quandaledingle8960]

Hold up you lost your left arm?’

[@pataki2666]

Same reaction

[@b03johma]

Same, was looking for this comment 😅

[@HarryHandles]

Thought the same. So curious what's going on here.

[@perrid13]

He told the story fairly at length like a year ago in a video. From what I remember,, after he got out, he was riding his bike on some trail, took a corner way too fast, crashed into some metal post or sign post or whatever,with a narrow edge and nearly amputated his arm, broke both bones and severed most of the flesh. He told a story of a drill sergeant telling him "Macbeth, never lose the will to live" or something that he remembered at the time, tied a tourniquet on his arm, called an ambulance, proceeded to walk towards the sirens when it came and couldn't find him out on the trail, got to a hospital where the doctors fixed up his arm. Scary shit.

[@squillz8310]

​@perrid13 such a freak accident!! And to think he probably would've lost that arm + a lot more blood if he didn't have a tourniquet with him, and the training on how to correctly use one.

[@PlazmaZ5]

Movies pretty much always depict things from landing zones to formations being far closer than they would realistically. This is simply a filming decision as having the proper spacing means they have to zoom out or quite honestly move the camera incredibly far back to capture everything.

[@RemedyElixir]

I thought the movie overall was kinda boring, it's some of the LAST subjects that I'd want to see the point of view from in such a scenario. Wasted potential of the whole setting, IMHO. However, my favorite part was when Kirsten Dunst offers the guy $300 for some gas and he laughs that it's only enough to buy a sandwich, to which she replies "Canadian dollars" and the guy's like "oh shit, yeah I'll take that, what time would you like your breakfast in the morning ma'am?" 🤣

[@RemedyElixir]

Oh and the final military assault was aaallll sorts of wrong but I think you've covered that.

[@JohnJaneson]

It was crazy boring for a supposedly bold subject.

[@mitchconner403]

It is an A24 movie. They just seized on this “meme” about the civil war in America to have an easy marketing campaign to put butts in seats. Tell everyone that they will see the full spectacle of the “USA civil war” Then give them a movie about journalists talking to people.

[@ohmygoshitscole]

It’s not supposed to be an action movie. For a movie that’s about the importance of journalism, I feel like journalists are probably pretty good subjects

[@Raceryan8]

How is it boring? It shows what a everday citizen, soliders on both sides and Unique people like reporters experiance

[@Vuosta]

Non service connected hearing loss was a hilarious joke at the end there. Love it.

[@Frankalicandri-yx4yb]

The boogaloos could have hooded the loyalist knowing they, the loyalist, would think hooded was a sign of being safe and be easier to control.

[@jovenalasis4468]

A similar deconflict scene with chemlights can also be seen in Zero Dark Thirty. Two SEAL teams were linking up on opposite sides of a gate. A person from both groups threw a small chemlight to identify themselves as friendlies.

[@johndittmer8488]

Wow, the C-RAM looks exactly like a CIWS in this old Sailor's eyes.

[@RyanMcBethProgramming]

It pretty much is. We just put it on a trailer.

[@tracym8952]

Phalanx is a great piece of equipment

[@TheFlutecart]

I think the CRAM is loaded with shells that detonate in the air so they don't come down on a town 19 miles away. The Navy is using heavy stuff like depleted uranium. They might have detonating stuff too now days, I don't know.

[@davidty2006]

it is indeed the angy R2D2.

[@NonEuclideanTacoCannon]

I'm reading an old favorite sci-fi book that deals with, among other things, a lot of geopolitics and coups. Mostly in Europe and Asia. Everybody gangster until all the TVs start playing Swan Lake.

[@llttrr]

Which book?

[@peterdvornik]

What book?

[@NonEuclideanTacoCannon]

@@llttrr It's called The Stone Canal by Ken MacLeod and it's the second in a series.

[@uncletiggermclaren7592]

@@NonEuclideanTacoCannon Read them. He wrote those a long time ago. He has written a trilogy much more recently, which is much more inventive, called The Corporation Wars. A.I. and people being downloaded and future wars and just a lot of cool ideas. I highly recommend them.

[@NonEuclideanTacoCannon]

@@uncletiggermclaren7592 Yeah I enjoyed those ones too There's something charming about an author's earlier books though, even if a few parts are a little cringe here and there. Sometimes they dream up some manic fevered lunacy that they never quite reach again, even as the overall quality of their writing matures. The Star Fraction was a good example of that. I'm on to Cassini Division now, I'll probably skip the last one as it's slow and depressing.

[@Kwak444]

I know I’m very late here, but I’d like to recommend a graphic novel called “DMZ”. It follows the story of a photojournalist who observes a civil war in the United States, specifically in New York City.

[@Cain-x]

That last statement about neighbors is especially powerful and important. We're all just human and we'll devolve into animals when we get desperate enough. Sometimes it is important to take a step back and think - we've been very impulsive, more so now with the advent of the internet and especially at the start of social media.

[@StefanManjakov]

I usually hate IMAX sound. Too compressed, distorted to sound loud. I was impressed with the good sound production and really enjoyed it in IMAX.

[@Transblucency]

Seconded. It (rather disturbingly) made even atrocities appear beautiful. It looked fantastic on IMAX and sounded even better. The score was also fantastic.

[@jeffreydrake4876]

I’m surprised that you left out the fact that not all active duty forces are going to follow one side or the other.

[@mbburry4759]

He actually did

[@ratroute8238]

How do you think the military would react to a President that was "black letter" constitutionally illegitimate because of an illegal third term?

[@crazychase98]

We have an illagamiate president now nothin happned​@@ratroute8238

[@martinondrus6344]

I mean thats whats happening in movie so why would he talk about that

[@brianwhedon8442]

He should have mentioned that 25% of the USA military was on the side of the Loyalists up until the WF FOB scene. That is when the characters learn the Loyalist generals all surrendered and some switched sides. He also does not mention this is a 4 way civil war. New Peoples Army (Heartland Maoists / Oregon Maoists) Western Forces Florida Alliance Loyalists ( USA)

[@AidanMyne]

"The one thing about this scene is that there should have been more blood". Earlier: "This is what we call a clue".

[@ikiruyamamoto1050]

NO, Brandon Lee did NOT die from a blank load! (15:45). Brandon Lee died because a DUMMY round with an inadvertent primer lodged a bullet in the barrel of the gun (i.e. Squib Load), and the gun wasn't cleared before THEN using a blank round which pushed the old bullet forward.

[@Rensune]

Ironically, the dark comedy "Second Civil War" was a much more realistic movie about Civil War.

[@martinondrus6344]

Probably cause this movie is not about "realistic military US civil war"

[@a2xd94]

The one thing that makes the movie 157% unrealistic is California and Texas uniting 😂

[@ethank5059]

You’re right. There’s never any unlikely alliances in wars and Civil Wars are always fought over 100% clean and obvious ideological lines. A common enemy has never united two very different groups before. Totally unrealistic.

[@TheSmsawyer]

You would be surprised how much California and Texas interest aligned.

[@Aka-293]

Like what?​@@TheSmsawyer

[@RB01138]

​@@Aka-293 Like being two of the largest economies and the fact that ideological divides are largely an urban vs rural phenomenon. Voting patterns in both states aren't that far apart once you account for population distribution.

[@itsthecaptain17]

I always get concerned with these comments since the unrealistic nature of California and Texas teaming up is the point. The social impact the movie would have with a "realistic" split would be far, far worse.

[@griffia]

I feel like the booga loo boys scene with the prisoners was based off liberia, lots of similar scenes from combat reporters from those wars

[@theworld6710]

19:47 I actually think that’s a stylistic choice. A subtle hint that he didn’t actually intend to leave any of the reporters alive and was just messing with them.

[@MLN-yz4ph]

This was a really good long form video and you did it very well. Please consider doing more like this and expanding your catalog.

[@williamcollins2327]

The war would look like The Troubles in Northern Ireland, this movie is completely ridiculous.

[@worldofdoom995]

yeah thats what I keep saying. If we really had a large amount of civil unrest it would look more like the troubles with a few large riots sprinkled inbetween.

[@someguycalledCh0wdah]

You can really tell this was made during the writer's strike

[@msomething3579]

Ah yes, the "it can't happen here" mentality. Remember, that was just a movie (which I haven't bothered to watch), reality would be something different.

[@davidty2006]

Sooo MRAP's, trucks, humvees and M113s with the odd booker & bradley.....

[@JusufBideovic]

very naive comment

[@Transblucency]

I would suggest that getting hung up on the specifics (strategic or tactical" is kind of missing the point of the movie. The take-home is the impact of confusion, chaos and violence on your doorstep.

[@squillz8310]

That's a good point. This movie is a pretty good example of the Fog of War

[@shcdemolisher]

@@squillz8310 Fog of war, but also the dangers of what has been brewing in our own country for years with what the politics are right now. Especially with the right wing... like, geez. I do agree the movie is a good way to remind us to take a step back, look at ourselves from the wider picture, from the outside perspective that the world has. It's highly likely, but also avoidable, that this can happen. I say avoidable since it has a chance that it can be avoided/prevented. Yet... I don't trust the system right now, it's just too much chaos and uncertain of the future.

[@teknofreak2387]

The joke about the army blasting insurgents in days is not that realistic when you are fighting forever wars against farmers with toyotas, aks, and some ied‘s

[@altechelghanforever9906]

That's what I've been saying lmao. So far the US Armed Forces hasn't had a good track record against insurgencies.

[@moic9704]

National insurgencies are easier to destroy

[@hanzzel6086]

Insurgents in nations with no strong central governance or military of their own. And those Insurgents leaders (mostly) hid out of reach in "neutral" and "stable" nations (Packistan, Iran, ect), who where also fully supplying and supporting them in every way possible short of direct conflict (and even occasionally that). Even then the U.S/Coalition won literally every clash between armed forces. In a nation with a strong central government and military of it's own with neighbours who are *very* unlikely to house or support insurgents in any capacity, it's an entirely different outcome.

[@italjahcorntrashroller]

Basic training at benning taught us toss something out and yell, friendly, a yo, chem ligt, crevates, rock wraped ina rag.

[@lou.yorke.x]

From a journalistic perspective, the movie is wildly inaccurate. There is absolutely no way professional accredited journalists would take on a civilian for a ride-along. They would not have simply believed Jessie as a starstruck wannabe photojournalist. They would have been suspicious of her as some sort of plant or stooge or subversive. Professional journalists require confirmation two or three times over before they even begin to believe anything. Plus, Reuters would be taking on all kinds of legal liability by having a civilian tag-along with combat journalists. If Jesse had been hurt or killed, her parents would have the perfect lawsuit to sue Reuters into bankruptcy. Lee and Joel and would have known this, and they would have known that they would have been fired immediately on the spot if Reuters ever found out that they had taken on a civilian. Joel would not be allowed to get blackout drunk while on assignment either. No professional journalist, like Lee, would have stood for that. Getting blackout drunk like that jeopardizes security and objectivity. Yeah I know, the movie is presented as a dystopian nightmare where all bets are off, but the journalists in the movie sure do rely on their laminates to go places, and various people respect their press passes. So you can't have it both ways: you can't say it's absolute chaos but also show press ID being respected. As well, even in the scenario presented in the movie, I highly highly highly highly doubt that any combat unit anywhere would let journalists into the lead squad at the tip of the spear while going after the primary objective. WTF? No one takes on dead weight like that when the bullets are flying. Everybody needs to be shooting back, not shooting photographs. Actual US military photographers who are actual soldiers aren't even allowed that kind of access. If you're not firing a weapon you're not invited. I think the Western Forces, who appeared to be remnants of state National Guard units, would not have rolled out the welcome wagon to journalists. The media and the US military have an adversarial relationship. And people hate the media these days. They're not getting invited to the front of the line. The dead president could have been photographed after he had been shot, it still would have recorded and preserved the history -- I'm pretty sure that's what the soldiers attacking the White House would have been thinking at the time. But if WF soldiers did think it was absolutely necessary to have photographic evidence, they would have gone in with body cameras or GoPros themselves. There's no shortage of cameras these days, they are not scarce. If they could get their hands on ammo they could get their hands on cameras. I also doubt they would have been impressed by a 20-something with a film camera who's shooting in black-and-white. An art school student? I doubt the soldiers would have looked at her as a capable combat photographer who could be relied on the get "the shot" while taking fire. And a 20-something, a digital native, is going to be shooting Tri-X 400 in a Nikon FE? Yeah, that's REALLY hard to believe, sorry! Jessie is a member of Tik-Tok generation after all. Also, what was Joel's role exactly? Driver?? He never acted like a journalist or a photojournalist. He acted like an alcoholic adrenaline junkie and not much else. He never picked up a camera, a microphone, a laptop, a smartphone, nor did he even jot down notes on paper (neither did Sammy for that matter, who acted more like a tourist than any sort of actual journalist.) If Joel was security he did a VERY shity job at it throughout the entire ordeal. He actually sought out danger rather than tried to protect others from it. Again, Reuters would have never hired such a person to do security, nor would Lee accept such a risk taker as either a professional driver and/or professional security.

[@RosieBaseball]

The fight at the Lincoln Memorial is symbolic of the American Civil war in the 1860's.

[@fredbyoutubing]

I'm always surprised to see so many people saying that Texas and California would never unite. They already are united, that's what the US is. A bunch of states sharing power and disagreeing on everything. The point of the movie is that these states represent the ideological left and right fighting together against a dictator...which is what people should want.

[@JohnJaneson]

Ok, but a US dictator can only get into dictatorship using a preexisting power base. Either Republican or Democrat. So won't happen for CA-TX. That's like making Virginia ally with New York in 1861. Well, maybe they could get a dictator using other emergent issues, but even so the movie should have explained it more, can't just pop out and said it.

[@fredbyoutubing]

​@@JohnJanesonWe don't know how it went in both states but if you look at voting patterns, the states themselves are pretty split. They probably had to fight back an attempted coup by loyalists, secured their power and then started discussing an alliance. It didn't happen in one day. The dictator refused to let go of power...it only takes once crazy narcissist with a cult following to say "the election results are fake" or "we don't need to hold more elections, the people are obviously on my side, look at the crowd!"

[@superclaymaster]

@@JohnJanesonI thought it was a real weak spot. I get why they didn’t. Would’ve added a bunch of time.

[@garynew9637]

My take also.

[@martinondrus6344]

Well there was a bit different political climate back in the day (not saying that TX and CA couldnt agree in this day and age)

[@pyotk]

I love how Hearts of Iron 4 modders somehow made a more accurate depiction of a second American civil war (with Kaiserreich) than a multi million dollar movie ever could.

[@derpsternium8334]

To be fair, Kaiserreichs scenario is based on the 1930s, and A24 wanted to distance themselves from current tensions.

[@zhaunju]

I enjoy Kaiserredux more😂

[@martinondrus6344]

Well, their expences are a bit different

[@michaelsarkisian1047]

the blood only squirts as long as the heart pumps

[@ericjanes591]

Quark for DS9 explained humanity at war the best. And our history shows it doesn't take much for the illusion of civilization to collapse.

[@Fatherofheroesandheroines]

I've heard an Apache in ACTUAL combat and the only noise I heard was what can only be described as a fart sound when it shoots. Also, the Apache is silent and deadly. The ones that helped us out of the ambush near Balad were up and at them so quietly that I almost didn't hear them until they were right on top of us. I see why they did it but realistically, it's not even close.

[@Lucifer-qt9gh]

That wasn't an apache. Thump thum thump thump... Not brrtrrrrrt

[@Lucifer-qt9gh]

Maybe a DAP or something. That 30mil sound is unmistakable. Brrrrrt fart noise is a rotary gating style sound not a chain gun thumpping

[@SuiLagadema]

I enjoyed Civil War for what it was, a movie about war journalism. One thing is to see the "finished work", like Ross Kemp or Chris Terrill, but for every "perfect" picture, there were hundreds that weren't "good enough". Chris Terrill did the Royal Commando Course at 55 and passed, Ross Kemp has his famous "man down" scene where he just throws journalism out of the picture to help a wounded british lad. Those are just the more known ones to me as a foreigner.

[@altechelghanforever9906]

@@dffndjdjd And its actual themes *are?*

[@Transblucency]

@@altechelghanforever9906 Using journalists as the main characters as a rationale to move through the states from encounter to encounter in a small vulnerable group (making it more relatable), while giving them a reason to be there at the end It's the similar rationale as used in Apocalypse Now.

[@gabrieledwards1066]

@@dffndjdjd For the OP it was about War Journalism. For you it was an exploration of human character on both ends. Everyone is going to get something different. Sorta like the bible.

[@heretic-668]

Regarding the trigger discipline issue with the red-sunglasses guy, that also may have had something to do with that the original actor was unexpectedly unavailable right before shooting, so Kirsten Dunst got her husband to jump in last minute. Think I recall reading was literally like 48h before shooting, so he had to ad hoc it quite a bit.

[@sammiller6631]

" Kirsten Dunst got her husband to jump in last minute" sounds like bullshit third-hand gossip that people like to repeat.

[@IchiEyes]

Might have been intentional. I don't think he was a legitimate soldier as much as a wannabe who either joined a side or picked the dregs off a corpse given he's one of the only people in the movie who seems to just be doing whatever he wants. Plus peeling off the name tags, but leaving the insignia and infantry patch support this, I think. He wants to appear like a legitimate soldier. Alternatively, his lack of discipline adds to his air of unpredictability and disregard for safety and life which adds tension to the scene

[@sammiller6631]

@@IchiEyes I think he stole a uniform off a corpse laying around and took the name off it to avoid questions.

[@johnlucas6683]

​@@sammiller6631Looks legit, even says so on IMDB trivia. "Jesse Plemons joined the cast just days before his scene was supposed to be shot due to the original actor dropping out. Kirsten Dunst, Jesse's wife, recommended Plemons to director Alex Garland." Also, TIL that Plemons is Kirsten Dunst's husband. Wow .

[@Free_Krazy]

Lol, that opening skit was perfect! (Audio could have used some work, but still perfect!)

[@robertrettig7110]

I pay KZbin not to watch commercials, what do I get out the box? Commercials!

[@grimbo73]

did anyone else have Sgt. Major Sixta yell "Grooming standards!" in their head when Ryan said it?

[@gixlopez]

"your moostache hayirs are outta regoolation."

[@paddington1670]

god i love Generation Kill. My girlfriend also really enjoyed it and she doesnt like "combat movies" but the writing, the acting and characters is just too good.

[@martinondrus6344]

​@@gixlopez screwby

[@GingerWildcat]

The America Civil war was only able to happen because there was no nation wide rail road yet. Families and friends were not dispersed throughout every city, every branch, base, and business like we are today. For this simple fact I say good luck getting an American Civil war to happen today.

[@Transblucency]

@@GingerWildcat I mostly agree, and I'd also flag automated/Machine Learning analysis of communications and facial recognition as another reason that would make it hard to start a civil war, but it is not totally out of the question if enough people supported it I could envision a situation where various states might seriously consider seceding, or counties in multiple states might become effectively ungovernable. I think that climate change might actually become a positive force in keeping the states together because a lot of the coastal southern states will end up needing federal resources to cope with the impact of the climate change. Tough to do if you're your own country.

[@s33ur3lv3lvly]

Civil war 2.0 would look a lot different.

[@JefferyTheriault]

Something closer to Lebanon or Syria. Actually worse than shown.

[@marcolinosalgarone9442]

Please don't feed the monkeys

[@GingerWildcat]

@@JefferyTheriault Tell me how you'd get any part of the Marine corps, Army, Navy, Air Force, National Guard, ect; to fight one another or any large part of the citizenry of the USA? Please tell me. Ain't gonna happen. Instead we make movies like this.

[@ypsiloneksugarek4157]

I don't think that's how Brandon Lee died. From what I learned there was some kind of debris in the barrel. And the blank round pushed it out with deadly force. I may be wrong on this one but maybe check it?

[@tangydiesel1886]

If I remember right, it had a lot of odd things go on in order to cause it. And I'm pretty sure it was a revolver. First they wanted realistic looking "dummy rounds", so the armorer pulled the bullets off live ammunition, dumped the powder, and fired the primers, except either one didn't go off, or (most likely) didn't fire all off them. Then seated all the projectiles back on the casings. Next, in a part of filming, or just in testing/practice/playing around, the revolver was cycled, and when they got to the live primer, they caused a squib. So now a bullet is in the barrel. Finally they get to a part where the gun is used with blanks, and when fired, the blank sends the bullet out of the barrel unfortunately towards Lee. A lot of dumb decisions had to happen to cause it. It's obvious to not do any of those things buy themselves, but enough things lined up to cause the accident/negligent taking of life. Same with the "Rust" incident. Every one of the individual things somebody should of said "this isn't safe to do it this way" but enough things stacked up.

[@ypsiloneksugarek4157]

@@tangydiesel1886 i also remember something about the prop gun not being maintained properly. No one made any inspection at any point. So it was a deadly trap before even blank round was put in the chamber. Thanks for your input.

[@terrydavis8451]

There are no trauma wards for boogbois.

[@jeanredman-roberts5604]

The skit parody will be Oscar nominated for sure, but not sure what category.

[@CountryAndProud]

Still startles me a bit when Ryan just casually mentions losing his arm. 😂

[@gixlopez]

Seriously, What the hell? Ryan, I'll never be able to look at that Knifehand tchotchke in your background the same way.

[@nicolasolton]

I have been watching him on and off for a while now, but this is the first time I heard this. Wonder what the story here is?

[@CountryAndProud]

@@nicolasolton pretty sure hes talked about it before.. can't remember though.

[@paddington1670]

@@nicolasolton he talked about it already at length, im sure you can find the video

[@jakeaurod]

I haven't seen it, but I saw someone suggest the lack of explanation of why people are fighting may have been intended to reflect how people respond to social media, that they'll let nonsense internet posts convince them to bumble into a civil war.

[@bobfall]

The clothing store was a thrift store. In breakdowns, people get rid of extra stuff. The average American home will run out of food, long before the run out of useful clothing.

[@SusCalvin]

I think there's already more piles of clothing than we can use.

[@wombatdk]

Tracers were only used in our unit if we assumed the enemy already knew where we were. On some assignments we definitely loved enemies using tracers, helped us. Mind, that was a very, very long time ago.

[@Case16710]

Probably the thing that bothered me most was when the reporter asked the president for a quote. There’s no way the reporter could have heard anything since he never had any ear pro during the entire indoor firefight or any other part of the movie.

[@KimForsberg]

Re: the hooded ones that were ended, I just assumed they were kept hooded so it would make it easier for the ones pulling the trigger, since there was no point in hostages. In that situation I would assume hoods are a bad sign vs no hoods being a good sign as that would mean they are taken prisoners.

[@clintstinkeye5607]

This is a longish video that is absolutely worth watching. The message you gave at the end is a heavy hitter about reality. Good vid.

[@AnonymousYouTubeconsumer]

I was currently going through the dilemma of figuring out what thing to watch on streaming. Problem solved!

[@a.N.....]

I actually thought the alliance between Texas and California was an attempt to not play sides and show a seemingly left state and seemingly right state joining together to tackle a corrupt government. Don't get lost in the weeds about how "unrealistic " thier union is.

[@jorgepreciado6984]

Really? I thought was beause there are more mexicans there xd You know, the future

[@scooter06rb]

Spent most of the last 20 years in the military, Homeland Security response team, and government contractor. Your assessment was spot on. Any organized rebellion or coup would be wiped quickly. Then the military would start to struggle with supplies. US has huge stockpiles of supplies and munitions but only in a few locations.

[@ratroute8238]

How do you think the military would react to a President that was "black letter" constitutionally illegitimate because of an illegal third term?

[@nobodyherepal3292]

@@ratroute8238depends. If he keeps their pay decent, they’d probably just let him have it.