Was Dennis Martin Kidnapped? | Missing 411

[@amandap7733]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned it but the reason we don't take plaster casts of footprints anymore is because we found out the plaster would expand and make people think the foot was larger then it really was. So that could have been his footprint.

[@treydelaspades3543]

Just use a non expanding plaster?

[@daverowbottom4623]

@@treydelaspades3543 in soft ground it would still expand due to the weight

[@raymondlongiaru7992]

This guy is one of my newest bestest.. documentary artist currently on the tube!!! Great work ..keep it up my friend!...

[@raymondlongiaru7992]

Good point!

[@owo5926]

😅😊😅

[@hollyjollyxmas]

Imagine being the kid who was traumatized by the snake, watching this video suddenly hearing his shout out

[@rokukou]

It was a cute story actually, me being a snake lover I know that snake probably found something warm to sleep on and the kid didn't find it very cuddly Lol

[@undeadreader23]

I'll fully admit the thought of a bear running on it's heind legs absolutely terrifies me. Like the shock of a 7 foot tall animal whole ass lineback running at you is scary

[@gordongarrett6229]

Ridiculous. It was Bigfoot.

[@gaminganimators7000]

Honestly, it would be scary af

[@laurentucker7471]

My mom got chased by a bear when she was a toddler, she doesn't remember it but her brother (my uncle) does

[@jozefbaran6189]

not as scary if youre 7 feet tall😂 you might not believe me this but im 6'11"

[@funkyfoodster]

this was the first 411 case I heard about. After that I binged on them.regards to the bear running on 2 legs, that immediately made me think of a man in a ghillie suit, something the green berets would be very familiar with

[@AntigonusTheGreat]

Or Bigfoot 😂

[@ImpalaWes]

@@AntigonusTheGreat or wendigo

[@brotherkhrayn3525]

@@ImpalaWes you mean Wendigoon.

[@todayisforever]

had the same thought :) maybe they were hunting their own

[@BX138]

Yeah, Dennis Martin was my first 411 story too.

[@stephen655321]

Dude, I think the nature center at your camp lied. It was probably a copperhead, and they didn't want to cause a panic. "Oh yeah that snake! That's the not-copperhead... You boys should be fine..."

[@grundlewizard1775]

Turns out well over 90% of the calls the wildlife center gets about copperheads are just garden snakes, corn snakes, etc

[@phoradio1277]

Just wanted to say there are several snakes in the Smokies that look like copperheads but aren't. The only way in the South to know for sure and you learn this as a small child, if the head is round you are ok. If the head is a triangle it is a Viper and slowly back away. We don't have weird snakes like Australia where everything tries killing you......Second thought what's up with everything trying to kill you in Australia 😂

[@tommyhill7645]

@@phoradio1277 bro america has more dangerous wildlife than Australia

[@diychad7268]

And what evidence do you have that makes you think the nature center lied? While yes there are copperheads around it's not like they make their presence known all that often I'm 33 years old and have more or less lived in the woods my whole life and do you want to know how many copperheads I have seen, two that's right two copperheads my whole life, a copperhead is very distinct while if you have never actually seen a copperhead there are other snakes that could trick you and make you think that it is a copperhead

[@audreyyork9633]

There are snakes that look similar to copperheads, especiallyif you're panicking- I came across a corn snake in my house that I swore was a copperhead.

[@solalabell9674]

Love the subtle wendogoon shout out at the beginning I’m so glad you two are collaborating s but on this stuff

[@ashleydeshazo4122]

My grandfather was part of the Green Beret's around this time. I'm really tempted to ask him of he knows anything. He wouldn't be allowed to tell me, om sure, but now I'm incredibly curious.

[@soggy5854]

Did you ever ask him? I'm sure he would tell you.

[@animalhalo5984]

Please update us if you ever find anything out

[@Transilvanian90]

@@animalhalo5984 If his grandfather tells him that's one thing, but it would be illegal or even dangerous for him to say what was said here, if his grandfather is still bound by an NDA.

[@matthewsheeran]

Screw em: neither a missing kid nor bigfoot are matters of national security within the ambit of that NDA. Use your head and srop kowtowing to arbitrary authority when you don't need to.

[@matthewsheeran]

​@@Transilvanian90Stop thinking like a Chinaman under the CCP.

[@andrewstanley8945]

I love this style of video. I am not a fan of livestreams or anything like that, so I always love watching these videos! Binged every Missing 411 video you have so far, can't wait for more! Also, love the intros!

[@girlgamergear3260]

Ginsang is legal to harvest in Tennessee, unless you do not have permission by the landowner to be on their land, but there are specific seasons for harvesting the roots. This is to prevent ginsang from becoming extinct. You have to let it come to seed and replant the seeds for the root you take. (I looked it up. My dad hunts "sang" in Pennsylvania and you can only harvest here during certain months.)

[@kathyscott9219]

Your post is interesting. What I don't understand is why the man said he did not come forward because of hunting the "sang". All he had to say is that he (like so many other people in the area or out in nature), was just out on a hike. His story does not ring true and he may be a person who wanted credit or attention and didn't have real information.

[@girlgamergear3260]

@@kathyscott9219 Or didn't want to get in trouble for harvesting out of the right time of year? People are weird.

[@kathyscott9219]

@@girlgamergear3260 I get what you are saying. Yet, he didn't have to state that he was harvesting or looking for ginseng. He could have easily said he was hiking and then had the bones be found. Even if he was afraid of his actions, the authorities probably would not have cared if it led to the remains of a missing person. I don't believe him or his excuse.

[@kathyscott9219]

@@girlgamergear3260 Also, people are weird for wanting to interject themselves into a popular or important case. It has happened so many times and it is strange and hard to comprehend.

[@diychad7268]

The reason he knew he would be prosecuted is because he was hunting it on the national park land which you are not allowed to hunt for anything on state or national Park land, also you can harvest ginseng anytime throughout the year but you can only sell or buy it from September 1st to December 1st

[@Ol_Durty_Badger]

As a Veteran, The SF detachment intrigues me. It was a different era for sure, but it’s very very obscure. Special forces soldiers are just regular men, they have family’s and are fathers. Hearing a father was missing his son, and then having the skills and resources to search, they may have just decided to assist in the search and use it as an excuse for training. But that being said, it’s a very very strange call for their command to allow this to go on for so long. I’ve heard the Bob Gimlin version of this story as well and that whole part is what sticks out to me. Some research into this avenue needs to be done. I have a resource for this if any info can be found. If I find anything new I’ll come back here and post. And send an update if there is one to The Lore Lodge.

[@techpriest2854]

the Green Berets were said to be newer so it could easily have been a viable chance to train how to locate people. not only for search and rescue but for searching people who would not have wanted to be found. it could also be used to practice group operations and communication across a large area. they might have thought the search wouldn't take long so they just sent whoever was closest. when it continued they decided to send more people to get more training in.

[@axer3515]

Yes. The were still in training and asked to help.

[@jessehutchings]

I'm very interested in these missing cases specifically involving people who went missing in a short period of time around the presence of others who knew them. The elements of swiftness and familiarity make those cases seem very similar to how easy it is to 'lose' something the moment you drop it on the floor. Most of the time, we find it again but we retain a huge fear and impulse reaction to catch things before they hit the ground because it's like we instinctually know that once it hits the ground there's a good chance we will never see it again.. and that chance seems irrationally big

[@TheXenophas]

Have been watching your older content, it's been awesome to see how much you've changed things, definitely in the right direction, love this style!

[@TheLoreLodge]

It’s been a long road but we try to improve every week!

[@derekmcmanus8615]

And changed personally

[@NoName-zm1ks]

There are similar stories about El Yunque National Park in Puerto Rico, the place is home to unexplained missing person cases, including the disappearance of a party of four college kids, & stories of folks encountering military personnel ordering folks off of particular trails. In one particularly sad case, two kids that were trailing behind their parents just disappeared-no report of strange noises, no sightings of strange people or weird creatures as possible culprit.

[@Canev821]

Never heard of them what do you think it is

[@world_wonder_8]

Went on a cryptid binge a few weeks ago while recovering from a snowboarding injury, found this channel and I've been hooked since. What you guys do is great, keep it up!

[@mararivera8646]

Here's a few other details I read earlier -* Dennis was sent to hide further away by the kids because he wore a conspicuous red t shirt which was hard to hide * A man in a light colored car was seen by a witness below the location at the field, leaving the area. * More recently a skull was found at a further away remote location, never searched, long buried in layers of leaf litter. by the (illegal) herb hunter who wished to be anonymous. This might combine with the hypothesis that the man in the car, described as middle aged, abducted him ( say by offering him a ride back to his folks), s-a'd him, (or intended to) and then killed him or dumped him in a place from which he did not know how to return, and/or died of exposure. Also, David Paulides said Dennis's father said a ranger approached him to tell him some things, such as that an official in charge of investigations at a range of parks told him that searching for the "man or bear" seen by ther visitors at that time would not be done because it was too far away (it was not, suggesting a cover up). (Incidentally perhaps, this official later committed suicide. ) And that there were said to be feral fur wearing humans who lived not far from there and when confronted by him/other rangers had threatened them with a knife.

[@RogueReplicant]

Also, the other family introduced themselves to Dennis' family with the same last name and it was they who suggested that the kids play hide and seek.

[@scottcantdance804]

Holy smokes; the FBI files were finally released. The Missing Enigma has a video out on it.

[@AdrienneMint]

I just saw that one a few minutes ago, but nothing that changes anything. Nothing earth shaking.

[@JoeMac1983]

@AdrienneMint Not true. That video showed that the "wildman" theory is bunk. Mr. Key never said he saw that. He said he heard a scream at some point, then a while later a disheveled man came hurrying out of the woods and sped off in a car. Mr. Martin says that Mr. Key saw a wildman, and he's welcome to think what he wants because he's grieving, but the audio of Mr. Key doesn't lie.

[@AdrienneMint]

@@JoeMac1983 I don’t remember, I watched the video last fall, but I will go back and look again

[@enshk79]

@@JoeMac1983 there were still things redacted, and the FBI only releases what they want you to see. The FBI report doesn’t reveal a damn thing. You’re really going to trust them?

[@Dripping-Liquidity]

@@JoeMac1983 source? Because I could have sworn that the news refused to take his report seriously and didn’t mention it in the paper. Mr. Key believed his information was important and had to find Mr. Martin himself to tell him his account.

[@goldenshoggoth2143]

Really enjoying the series, Have to say I agree with you about the weirdness of the sighting of the bear running on two legs. Especially after finding the barefoot next to the shoe print at the creek.

[@TheLoreLodge]

That part is very much hearsay, so I take it less seriously, but in tandem with the rest it’s quite odd

[@jenniferedwards4874]

There's a lot of odd things in the Appalachians... I'm not saying paranormal but I'm not not saying it either

[@ericsmith6615]

Wife here..That's exactly what I Always say..!!...I'm from around the Asheville area

[@riichobamin7612]

Hello Jennifer and Eric, our favourite lesbian couple !

[@jenniferedwards4874]

@riichobamin7612 um they were saying they were Eric's wife. I'm hetero.

[@riichobamin7612]

@@jenniferedwards4874 okay. Thanks !

[@carlacook5181]

Aiden, I used to have a wanted poster for Dennis Martin, as I said earlier, I was 11 when he disappeared, I kept that poster on my wall until I was 17 and ran away from home, sometimes I would think about him and just cry, thinking about my own brother going missing.

[@Jared_Wignall]

This is such an interesting case. Thank you very much for covering this. Keep up the great work. Take care!

[@felixmonroe2295]

Seriously underwatched channel, keep up the good work!

[@autryshaw4695]

Grew up in the Upstate of SC, my grandfather used to tell me of the Wompus Cat, a large cat like creature that kinda reminds me of a werewolf but a cat. Said that his father told them of the stories back in the 1930's when my grandfather was growing up. Apparently people in NC, SC and GA blamed this creature for a string of livestock attacks and that the kids were not allowed out after dark. The ending of the witnesses seeing something running with something slung over its shoulder brought that story to mind.

[@gregrobertson5576]

I grew up in a small town on the Gulf Coast of Alabama. I grew up hearing stories about the Wompus. As I got older I assumed it was a Mountain Lion or Moutain Lion subspecies i.e the Florida Panther.

[@bruderschweigen6889]

My first thought was mountain lion I can not overestimate how well they camouflage and how talented they are at stalking so them not seeing anything happen might makes sense also him being the last person is a lion MO they also go straight for the neck hence no scream lastly they take the prey back to the den making it hard to find him........ only I didn't know they don't have mountain lions could have been a bobcat.

[@kristinsevin]

As a mom, this case absolutely breaks my heart and every time i hear this babys name, i just have this overwhelming need to hug my babies. I can not imagine how hard this was on his father. Especially knowing he was right there and doing everything right and something terrible still happened. I hope that father knows that this wasnt his fault, that he did everything he could have possibly done, and he has found some kind of peace (whatever little bit of peace a parent can get after something like this.) He's forever in my prayers and this baby will never be forgotten. He did everything he could possibly do, and although he didnt get his son back, he will be remembered by so many people because his fathers perseverance in looking for him, and the love he clearly had for his son. With cases like this, there really is no right way to bring any sort of comfort to the families besides keeping them in our prayers.

[@avery6473]

watching ur older videos and everytime i dont hear the epic intro i get suprised so glad the intro is a thing now!

[@junkyardsearcher6407]

I came here looking for information on the missing Martin family from Oregon and this is what I watched. Great episode! I would love to have you do a show on the missing Oregon Martin family.

[@CosmoQueen2900]

Wendigoon sent me here. Pretty dope channel. Looks like I found something new to binge.

[@TheLoreLodge]

Welcome aboard!

[@GodPharoh]

What if Wendigoon is responsible for all the missing 411 cases in Tennessee, and he's doing it for the content?

[@ashleyguterman2660]

I figure that the reason they take the psychic's tip is because it could be entirely possible that someone knows something or has heard something, and is trying to present truth or theory it in a way that doesn't connect them/implicate them, so they send it in under the guise of being a "vision" or "a dream", and those in charge would know this and take the tip is if it were the truth. Remember that they have to take every possible lead. If it turns out that they didn't, and it turns out the boy really was there, that inaction and responsibility would fall on their shoulders. So I don't necessarily think they believe the psychic, just that they think she could somehow know something and this is her way of passing on, anonymously or not.

[@Canev821]

I can get hits sometimes of things it’s a real thing I know you people laugh at me but it is possible

[@lixyororke]

this is exactly what it is and i'm surprised he didn't say so. you have to investigate tips like this when someone calls up and says "his body can be found here" because there's every possibility its someone confessing and disguising that confession as something else. if they hadn't looked into it and it turned out to later be true...

[@shanesawhutchison9255]

Great story and you presented it very well. Great job! Cheers. 🇨🇦

[@TheLoreLodge]

Thank you!

[@shanesawhutchison9255]

@@TheLoreLodge My pleasure. I am already a Subscriber but I will be around more often in the future. Cheers! 🇨🇦

[@MadGrubble]

Running Bear could have been a man in a ghillie suit. That would explain how he grabbed the kid from a bush without being seen.

[@theknight4279]

I decided to check out your channel after seeing Wendigoon's video on the missing 411 stuff. These videos are great!

[@Shepard0509]

Missing Enigma did an interview with Michael Bouchard about this case. I would highly recommend watching that one after this. They go into more depth about the Green Berets presence at the location. They even discuss pictures of the unit while they were searching. Just a little info from the other video: the Green Berets were already in the area for field training and none of them were armed.

[@frost598]

For him to not make any sound, while in such close proximity to his dad, something would have had to snap his neck, but also remain undetected which is what makes this all the more unexplainable because his brother would have been beside him and either not noticed, or he was taken after his brother left cover

[@DouglasJones-mp2bx]

New member here from Tennessee but know a bit about the Matin case.Question… there were reports the Special forces had weapons. One of The Lore Lodge competitors deny the Green Berets had weapons. During your research, did you bump into anything about weapons? Thanks!

[@TheLoreLodge]

I don’t recall reading anything about them having weapons during the search, but they do go totally dark for a few days before leaving in the reports I found. Basically the footprint is found and then we don’t hear about them till they leave. Odd, but not damning.

[@Kozinu]

Found you through Wendigoon and I'm glad I did. I've enjoyed every video I've seen so far, thanks so much for the amazing content! I don't think you mentioned it.. was the report of someone/something running on two legs carrying something made before or after the special forces showed up? That entire situation is weird as hell, honestly... I really hope we can learn more about this some day. Off I go to binge some more of your content! Thank you again for doing what you do and doing it so well! :3 ♡

[@KatnessEverderp]

Aye you just recently popped in my recommended and I'm watching a lot of your vids to get a feel for your content. Really enjoy them and nice to hear you name drop the boys Wendigoon and Mr. Ballen. I feel your content fits in nicely with the other stuff I watch and enjoy! Subbed here now :)

[@Rubix176]

I am liking the videos, but a suggestion to keep my attention on the story would be some infographics or maps (with hiking routes of the missing for example) This can help the more visual of us build the story in our heads.

[@TheLoreLodge]

Beginning to add both of those in more often! Thanks to the recent spike in viewers I think we may be able to devote more time to the channel and that means graphics :)

[@Rubix176]

@@TheLoreLodge that’s amazing! I’ll continue to smash the like button and do my part :)

[@patron8597]

Missing Enigma's video on this is a must watch.

[@tacoman4731]

Way better than this

[@DJ_SpaceInvader]

You know it’s fucked when not even Iron Man can find the kid.

[@pickaname3057]

As another commenter said I prefer this style of video I find it cleaner to listen to (audio level wise I like Botha hosts) while I work

[@evabruckner2892]

What is more scary? A bigfoot carrying away a child or a human man in a bigfoot costume carrying away a child?

[@diychad7268]

It's not that it's illegal to hunt ginseng in Tennessee it's just that it's illegal to hunt for anything within the boundaries of a state or national Park

[@collosulmedus6022]

Damn it's been a while since I've seen this channel recommended to me

[@TheLoreLodge]

Well we hope you’ll stick around!

[@donsuede1194]

New to the channel. Love the content. And I know I'm late to the party, but really liking the hair.

[@Luna_Spiritus]

The snake was probably enjoying the kids warmth. Poor Kid, Poor Snake

[@rebeccafantstegall1899]

Just found your channel, I've watched 3 videos so far. I was enjoying them all then I hear what you said about a couple things in this one & can I say how much more I like this channel 😂 Needless to say, I agree with you👏

[@JCTheSniper15]

Having spent almost 8 years lifeguarding, i can assure you that when a parent says "I only looked away for a few seconds", theyre almost certainly lying to you, lying to themselves, or severely lacking a sense of time. I have watched parents comoleteky absorbed in conversation or a book or a phone or whatever else theyre doing for extended periods of time. I once rescued a drowing child who was 5 feet from the edge of the pool where his mom and her friend were sitting with their legs in the water. They had been engrossed in conversation for at least the last 20 minutes. The kid was desperately trying to get his mom to pay attentuon to him, and he was swimming out further and further before he returned to the edge, trying to impress her. Eventually he got too tired, couldnt make it back to the edge, and started drowing while his mother sat right on chatting. I ran from the other side of the pool, jumped in, rescued the kid, and the mother says "oh my gosh! What happened! I only took my eyes off of him for a few seconds!" This was one of MANY times i experienced similar scenarios. The moral of the story us, there are very few parents that are going to admit "yeah, i wasnt paying attentuon to ny kid and i really dont know when they dissapeared/got snatched/started drowning because I hadn't seen them for like 30 minutes.

[@DouglasKiper-wf5ru]

And mr. Martin himself believes he was lied to consistently throughout the entire investigation

[@danterodriguez03]

I love that you put wendigoon with Denis for what the place is known for

[@ludiprice]

Rain actually improves a dog's ability to pick up a scent. Unless of course it's like flash flood kind of rain.

[@johnsmith-mv8hq]

There was nothing odd about the Green Berets getting involved. The NPS files confirm they were invited in. They set up comms and worked alongside other search units. The Green Berets simply had no need to chat with the Rangers as there was an established, simplified, and agreed chain of comms the Green Berets would use through a military liaison team within the Air National Guard local air base - who were co-ordinating all military aspects of the search with the National Park Service Rangers. To quote from the NPS file: "Ranger Myers also contacted U.S. Forest: Service District Ranger on the Nantahala, who in turn made contact with Col. Kinney, commanding the Special Forces troops in that area. Col. Kinney requested and obtained permission from the Third Army Headquarters at Ft. Benning, Georgia, to transfer 40 Special Forces to the search area." The Dennis Martin case is one of the most studied in all of SAR history and is used as a case-study in 'what not to do' - so many gaps and flaws were found in the aftermath of the incident that it's used to train SAR people. :/ The reason the searchers reacted to the psychic (one of dozens of such predictions) was that the Martin family were strong believers in the paranormal, and the search teams wished to reassure and indulge them to show all was being done to locate their missing child. The FBI also checked into many of the people who offered predictions...just in case they were really trying to allude to a kidnapping, etc. Hundreds of searchers were deployed. Most of them badly trained, or not trained at all. They had little co-ordination, and bad weather hampered much of the searching. The storms the night of his disappearance also made rivers and streams really dangerous. The searchers tried to be comprehensive, but the weather and inadequate skills were against a successful outcome from the start. :/ There's a good chance his body was overlooked by searchers, or perhaps he even hid from searchers unfamiliar to him. But poor Dennis just wasn't prepared for a cold night lost in the forest in a thunderstorm.

[@MrAtomicBulldog]

"The NPS files confirm they were invited in".....and likely all after the fact these files were reviewed. GB's were all about locate & eliminate.

[@getoffenit7827]

​@@MrAtomicBulldog they are first all about training...there were 400-500 Army personnel only 20mi away in the field..training..Rangers asked the Military for asisstance..40 Green..very green...berets were sent..perfect training for map reading,land navigation,field craft..nothing about 'locate-eliminate for a search for a 6yr old

[@MrAtomicBulldog]

@@getoffenit7827 The timing is highly curious, and the excuse would have always been 'they were training'. How many times have they trained at the same place since 1969? I'm betting not even once.

[@getoffenit7827]

@@MrAtomicBulldog that area has been a training location since WW2 and its still used today by the Army...and the Dennis Martin case isnt the only time Green Berets or Army troops were asked to help with search and rescue.Do research before doing assumptions and guesses

[@MrAtomicBulldog]

@@getoffenit7827 Friend, then I appear to be wrong. I stand corrected. I am still suspicious of the timing in June 1969 but I may well be wrong. Thank you for the gentle correction. I tip my hat to you.

[@arisoninc]

The logic for him not ever having been there seems to make the most sense. Did the guy have an insurance policy that got paid out? Maybe the family is complicit in assisting him in disappearing for some reason. Rather than there being foul play and no motive for foul play or accident coverup, could there be a financial motive for them to cooperate together to make that happen? Maybe at 82 years old he was ready to check out.

[@timsulli58]

Time to track down some of those green berets

[@DouglasKiper-wf5ru]

I find the fact that they wouldn't let anybody else search it very strange indeed like they knew something

[@Snaxxi1337]

Honestly the green berets being involved and calling more and more in just sounds like army bullshit. “Oh you didn’t find him? Bring more in. We are supposed to be the best.” Some uppity officer just kept throwing dudes at it for whatever reason. Right up their alley. Army does dumb shit

[@twilightparanormalresearch186]

Or they found something that they needed backup

[@HimmieDimmie4756]

I would like to say that it is not uncommon for green beret teams to come and get involved with searches or other civilian operations and I think it is possible a SF team herd of the situation with Dennis Martin and came out to yes, help find him, but to also keep there tracking skills sharp and saw this as a good way to do so.

[@callie5232]

when they found the remains did they find two shoes or just one? also it seems deliberate to me that the person walked into the creek but not out anywhere near where they entered. bodies of water like that hide tracks well

[@osirisatot19]

I was also in a Boy Scout camp and had someone in my cabin wake up to an animal laying on them, it was a fox though. This case is so strange, the only thing that kind of fits is some creature, person, or force took or killed that boy, and when the Special Forces figured it out; they went to hunt whatever it was and didn't want to tell anyone because people shouldn't know. If it was just like a bear or mountain lion attack or something, no need for them to keep looking for something or to not tell anyone what happened.

[@AyrialleHebert-y5o]

Or .... Sinkholes.

[@simp1594]

I've lived in the prairies for a while. There's a zoo/animal rescue that I would go to as a child, even then Bobcats are not that big. At most they will defend their territory. I would say they are a bit smaller than a medium sized dog. Bears tho... A bear will fuck you up lol

[@TheLoreLodge]

The only issue with him being dragged off by something like that is that they reportedly found no signs of a struggle

[@simp1594]

@@TheLoreLodge yeah true that's always the weird part with these cases eh

[@classicalheroes8910]

came from wendigoons channel bc the topic is interesting, love your videos!

[@GHOST_boi25]

Hey Mattis and Thornbussy loving the videos!! I keep missing the streams coz I live in the UK and you guys stream at 3am for me but I enjoy whenever I do manage to chug enough energy drinks to watch the streams and try to start the milk chain!! Have a good day and make sure to cause some chaos!! Xx

[@TheLoreLodge]

Aw thank you!

[@metamaxis]

Yeah, over 60 green barrettes in a forest Looking for a missing kid They go silent In an area where they found foot prints. Absolutely nothing suspicious about that.

[@b.rocket]

This story is absolutely terrifying.

[@ikapatino3214]

Behind a bush? Reminds me of Digging Up The Marrow.

[@pendragonsteashop7792]

Let’s go more 411! Love to see it

[@rodneydwyer2785]

Americans: There was a snake within a half mile of me... it was pretty traumatizing. Australians: Don't open the bottom draw to fast it pisses steve off... what, everyone know that the bottom draw is the designated snake draw.

[@brookswade5774]

There is a rat snake in East TN that gets confused for copperheads. It’s close to the color and has bands that make people think it’s a copperhead. You have to look at its head if you’re not familiar with them.

[@rodrigosilvero5749]

Great job and good to hear a different perspective on the case. i believe after all the players have died then the government might release their info.

[@justajester9384]

I LOVE CAMP HOSESHOE!! We usually stayed in roberts

[@heatherhillman1]

Here is what I think happened: I think they found his body near the lake that he "definitely wasn't" by the Green Berets, but I think the body was so damaged and they wouldn't have been able to explain the injuries so they covered it up. Just my opinion.

[@my11badkids78]

I lived in NC from when I was 7 until 12. I remember seeing SO MANY copperheads. And now thinking back they were all in the worst possible spots for humans. I'd see them on the side of the house, in woodpiles, around our dog cages etc. Their natural camouflage is insanely effective.

[@genxer1]

I live in North Georgia and they are really bad here too.

[@migueldiaz7939]

Apparently they found it or them and had to fight them which is why they kept calling in reinforcements... The kid was most likely already dead by the time they were called in

[@fosterlaff]

It's been mentioned only once on another channel: Special Forces were there to liquidate a tribe of feral humans. Children (including the body of Dennis's remains) were perhaps among the dead. Not something you'd publicize. Also this was why the Unit Specialist working the case couldn't handle it emotionally and committed s--cide.

[@CarnivoreHeals2]

Great video!

[@annabellarosalind288]

We live in strawberry plains which is around an hour tops from cades cove. Weird shit happens there that no one wants to talk about

[@mollylollipops]

Do you have any stories or experiences of your own to share? This kind of stuff is just so fascinating. What do you think makes it that way any ideas?

[@annabellarosalind288]

@@mollylollipops there is a lot of history in that place and there are still old cabins from the settlers up there that they have preserved and tried to keep for historical value. Some of them are very strange with small hidden staircases to addicts that you wouldn't really know is there and just all together weird feelings. Some of the houses make you feel like you're being watched but that is an altogether feeling all throughout Cades Cove. Ive heard about squatch sightings but never seen one myself.

[@mollylollipops]

@@annabellarosalind288 thanks for sharing💟

[@PhoenixLyon]

This was interesting to say the least. There are at least three things that tick some classic 411 cases; slightly handicapped, missing from a group of people, bad weather hampering the search, and traces (foot and shoe print) found far from original site. The Green Berets have shown up for a few 411s, as has the FBI. Sometimes, I think the government set up the National Park service as preserves for someone, or thing, and actually have some kind of agreement with them. All I really can say is; why aren't there lists of missing people in these parks? Believe it or not, no lists of missing persons is maintained by any Park or government agency. I find that weird.

[@ItMeSinamenRoll]

It wouldn’t have mattered if the bungalows had all solid walls. I grew up going to a Boy Scout camp with cabins, and we regularly had water moccasins and copperheads in our bunks.

[@Wh00says]

I think Foreign Internal Defense (as it relate to an ODA) would be more to do with security details involving high profile officials (i.e. diplomats, installed governors like Karzai, U.S. personnel in country) and related missions like setting up security for an embassy or a consulate somewhere in a foreign country. That said, it seems really out of sorts for that many to be there and to be so closed and hands off, when their whole specialty kind of hinges on being very much hands on.

[@jakesteele4047]

You guys need more views I don't understand it

[@TheLoreLodge]

The algorithm does not like us very much

[@edju9968]

To explain why one is in the woods looking for Ginseng: Ginseng is harvested for the root and bc a LOT of money can be made on it the authorities try to prevent others from going on private properties to look/steal it. It can sell for $500-1,000 per pound, and that is the low end so you can see why people would be out digging in the woods. It's not easy to find, and they specifically want the root so that makes it harder. Also, Gensing is in high demand for energy drinks, teas etc, and an even greater demand in China/Asia so there is a huge market.

[@jemimacoop2726]

He must have been taken by something we can't comprehend

[@Walterwhite-fp9uo]

Have you heard of the case of Ryker webb

[@Aquabob1]

Ginseng is worth huge money…..It is illegal to harvest it in National Parks, ….So he was afraid he would get arrested for harvesting Ginseng in the Park…..😊✌️

[@kathyscott9219]

All he had to say was that he was out hiking or bird watching or anything. No one could have proved otherwise and he could have reported the bones. I think his story is absurd and he was just seeking attention because this case has such long legs and was a national story.

[@johnnyringo5777]

Dennis Martin: *goes missing* Iron Man: This is an avengers level threat

[@axer3515]

The army personnel were still in training and were used to search the woods, which was what they had been trained the most in.

[@christinepiombinobennett8337]

Thanks!

[@randallsavage13]

I live close to the area he went missing in and the older ppl have some interesting theory’s about what happened to him

[@kajjsa]

do you know any of those theories? would love to hear!

[@lilsnizz]

Yes tell uuss!!

[@andersgjersoe4852]

Southforce10?

[@Thorstendeal]

So Ironman was involved with this disappearance and search? That’s a new development in my missing 411 curiosity

[@lostflyingfish3255]

I just thought I'd note that the crime of looking for ginseng is because it's endangered. But I totally get where that guy is coming from because being alone in the woods and finding bones looks pretty sus.

[@salvadortorres7449]

You should do a video about that kid that was found and had a very eyes wide expression on one of his pictures

[@TheLoreLodge]

The recent one from Montana?

[@salvadortorres7449]

@@TheLoreLodge yeah I think that’s the one

[@natedogg7376]

The Missing Enigma did a very detailed video on Dennis and followed up with another interviewing Michael Bouchard and virtually solved the case, nothing supernatural either.

[@theunknownfragment5473]

Contemplating should l watch this since l live in TN near Smokey Mountains 😆

[@Latransient]

As a resident of eastern Tennessee, I am both offended that you forgot to mention the country music, and can confirm that I do, in fact, encounter Wendigoon far too regularly in the wild.

[@beanzobreezy]

This is honestly one of the weirdest Missing 411 stories I've heard yet, everything just feels so off about it

[@gordongarrett6229]

Not strange at all. Bigfoot.

[@Pedro1136]

I’d be interested to know what the timeline is with regard to the report of something being seen carrying something over its shoulder and the arrival of the green berets. Did the green berets show up after?

[@rachelrodriguez448]

How could he had gotten so far!

[@WVgrl59]

Most parks have outhouses ( just a place to to have privacy to use the bathroom but it goes straight down to a pit) or a vault waterless toilet. But latrine is just French for toilet.😊

[@markgardner4426]

I was listening to a late night show many years ago and a caller claimed he was a former member of an Army special forces member who was part of a unit called in on reports of "monsters". I have always wondered if there are really units of our military that hunt monsters, like bigfoot, dogmen or swamp monsters.

[@twilightparanormalresearch186]

I believe so

[@vaderbaby]

As for the ginseng, it is illegal to hunt it on Federally protected land. It is also illegal to hunt it out of season. People have hunted it to the point that it is hard to find. It actually brings a lot of money & is ginseng from here in East Tennessee is prized in China. I am not sure about it back then, but it is illegal to take any wildlife, plant or animal, from a National Park.

[@kathyscott9219]

Great post. At the same time, any man who came across bones of a child or an adult should have reported it then. All he had to say was that he was out hiking. I don't believe his story. He probably just wanted attention or to be seen as important even years later because the case has long legs.

[@sje2012]

I watched another video on this and it was said that a family was walking a trail and saw a man running with a child and got into a white car. Has anyone else heard this ?

[@RealBradMiller]

Yes, the Key family, I believe. Edit: nvm, I don't think they saw the vehicle, just something carrying a boy on its shoulders.

[@markbalentine-k2t]

Another man from Carthage, Tennessee reported hearing a small boy scream in the woods and noticed an "unkempt" man at the edge of the trees. The FBI said this was impossible and too far away, so they never checked. i don't understand why the FBI never checked could have possibly very well broke open the case 🤦‍♂🤦🤦‍♀