Was I wearing Braces when I tore my ACL and MCL?? What will I wear now??

[@mikemilani3991]

Really late to the party here, but could not disagree more with everything you are saying about the Mobius Knee Braces. I don't understand why you are bashing the Mobius so much. Wait actually I do, this is clearly an ad for the Don Joy Braces! The Mobius are not designed to be worn post injury, against the skin walking around the house and "watering the trees". They are to be worn to prevent an injury. Would you rather be in the situation you were in or have prevented the injury and have a little sweat run down your leg, come on? Even in your still shots of the Don Joy Brace you have on a brace sox between your skin and the brace. I ride MX and have worn Mobius Knee Braces for over a year. I am in no way affiliated with Mobius. They are very comfortable. I wear knee brace sox under them and do not get hot. The braces do not slide down or move in any way during a full day of riding at the track. I will never ride without them. Mine fit great under my Fox and O'Neal gear. My Son's fit under his A-Star, TLD and Thor gear. Be truthful, the clicking when you are walking is the lock out stop, not some weird issue with the brace. Which one do you have installed? It looks like you have the thick stop installed. There are different sized lock out pieces. It looks like you have them on to low, the rear tendon support should be a little higher on you thigh. The Mobius website explains how to measure your leg before ordering so you order the correct size and have specific instructions on how to put them on. They come with several pads all being a different thickness so you can make sure they fit properly. $600.00+ for the pair is expensive but it is WAY WAY better than a $40,000.00+ surgery, hospital stay, rehab and time off the bike. You would think for $800.00 (per leg) the custom brace you are really really pushing would come with the knee and shin guard and not be an additional $100.00. Where is your consistency? You knock 6D helmets for not including an extra ($24.00) visor when ordering a helmet but are okay with an extra $100.00 per knee brace for pads? $1,800.00 for Knee braces is so far out of line and unrealistic for the average MX / Trail / Desert rider. If the Mobius knee brace is so bad then why do so many top pro riders wear them? Top tier athletes usually do not pay for safety equipment, i.e. the college linebackers you refer to and higher pro level athletes so the cost is irrelevant to them.

[@qweqwe-ed7dr]

I gotta be honest. I own mobius braces. I love them. They fit me great. They are however a tad bit bulky, however they are specifically made for riding. Not walking around or anything. I wear klim lite pants and they are great. I personally would never ride without them. They are my favorite. It is all with preference. Just because he thinks that, doesn’t mean you will.

[@lawdayl]

Thanks for that. Personally I'd rather put up with the bulkiness and be able to afford a knee brace over requiring surgery. Prevention over cure every time.

[@PedroHeyMan]

Try pods, very slim and nice to walk around in. Also its made not only for moto, its a medical device! Love mine

[@chrisrey4664]

@@PedroHeyMan what model to you like?

[@ifonlyidstartedyounger7277]

I ride with Mobius braces and never, ever think about them. Coincidentally, I rode with them today and was bragging about them today. I was bragging that I wear them while I'm riding and they're so comfortable that I then wear them around camp, waiting for the next ride. I've never had them move on me, and I've never had them sweat on me, but, admittedly, I also wear them over under-gear. A guy can get the Mobius for under $400 (for the pair). They're excellent. That said, the videos are excellent. Keep them coming.

[@JoshStreetDesign]

they're the best out there. the DonJoys defiance pros are TRASH. They provide zero brace support and no impact protection. Mine were $3,800, and now I'm selling them without even wearing them as they are so bad.

[@tybrackman84]

I would have to disagree with most of this entirely. I've been wearing Mobius X8 braces for about a year (around 65 riding hours) and I think they are incredible. If they are uncomfortable or too hot for you, I'd say you either got the wrong size off the bat and/or didn't fit them correctly with the interchangeable pads they come with. When I bought mine, I had to change some things around to make them fit well and comfortably, but they come with easy to follow directions on how to do it. I also wear stance moto socks under them which help with comfort. If they feel tight or bound up when you sit on the bike and bend your knee, you may have been putting them on wrong on top of them not being fitted right. You are supposed to secure them with your knee bent as if you were sitting on the bike, then snug them slightly after that. I've had various close calls and I feel that these braces saved and protected me every time, and I personally don't even notice that they are there. I have a few friends that have them that love them as well. Its also hard to compare braces that are $600 for a pair to braces that are going to end up being $1800 for a pair. I'm not just trying to be a naysayer, just want another opinion out there for anyone who may be considering getting them.

[@DirtBikeChannel]

Thanks for the comment. You disagree that I like the Don Joy brace better in every way :) I even worked with the owner of Mobius and sent him my measurements when ordered his braces last year, so I know I got the correct size. I'm glad you like your Mobius braces. IMO, they don't compare and I won't be wearing an off the shelf style brace any longer. Custom fit, custom built is the only way to go for me since fitment is everything.

[@red303dat]

those don joy braces do not look like they will offer any where near the impact protection that the mobius braces do. The don joy braces almost look pathetic in comparison. Remember we're riding dirtbikes not mountain bikes.

[@edgarbleikur1929]

@@red303dat wow! I hope he remembers your sage-like advice! WTAF???

[@tjgenet]

Kyle, thank you for including information about your rehab, braces and information about your surgery. I just tore my ACL and meniscus while riding and will be getting surgery. I am doing my prehab and preparing for surgery. Keep up the videos. Travis

[@jkemmetv3766]

You said it was so good to all of your subscribers. Doing so, people might have bought them and hated them from the start. Maybe u should tell your subscribers these complaints in the initial video

[@dagsterblaster4973]

Very good point. We are supposed to trust these product discussions, but most of the time either a conflict of interest or "fear of saying something negative" gets in the way. I said something negative on some online forums about my Baja off road experience and got all sorts of flak for it.

[@jkemmetv3766]

Dagster Blaster Thanks for the agreement

[@cheetah694]

The problem is, those complaints are made up. They are not hot with proper underwear, they fit in your pants, you may just have to buy the next larger size with some of them. And the level of protection and comfort they provide is excellent. Good luck riding motocross in that thin patella covers from Don Joy. He paid big bucks for them and now wants to justify his choice.

[@14guitars67]

I ride with Mobius braces every time I ride. They are more comfortable even than the shin guards I have owned (Thor Force and Leatt Brace Dual Axis ). And I ride here in the -hell-on-earth, humid heat of South Carolina. I literally don't think about them when I am on the bike. Just my experience with Mobius. Heal well and fast.

[@codyhaines6417]

Good choice with mobius. I just broke my patella cup on mine and they said send them both in we will tune them up for free. Should get them back tomorrow

[@huntlife89]

I have POD K8 full carbon fibre braces. So many adjustments available in them that you can pretty much have a custom fit feel and they are built to be completely dual sport so the knee cap gaurds can come off making them way lighter and comfortable for every say use. A little more affordable at $1300 CAD for 2. But I love them and never ride without them.

[@MXKID34]

All of the MX knee braces work themselves down, it's really uncomfortable but they've protected me for over 20 yrs not just on my bikes, snowboarding, skiing, mountain biking etc. and I've had plenty of accidents, fortunately, I've never hurt my knees which is a shocker in SX and MX. I've had my hips replaced, shoulders replaced and spine replaced, pins and rods throughout my body but my knees have been great because I started wearing knee braces before any accidents.

[@user-bv5ms6td4j]

Okay I will say this right now I bought leatts full length underarmor style design pants that fold up over the brace to reduce the falling down effect. Fixed all the problems I had with my braces I still have to make sure set the pants correctly but that is a minor inconvenience. I still wear my braces at all times I would rather be hot and burn more calories riding than not be protected. Also I bought moose Sahara gear this helped with the heat issue so a few things I have found cost be less the 1800 dollars. Also after I stepped off my bike recently at 30 to 35 in a wheelie I would say my mobius braces do there job no knee injury and I walked away without a scratch

[@user-ys3lo5qd8c]

I have a CTI custom. They not only control the knee, but you can adjust a different knee bending angle. I.e. you can settle it to 90 degrees or to 45 or to 30 or less as you like

[@__JimD]

CTI customs are the best

[@MXJEFF94]

I guess I'll throw in my .02. I wear the Mobius X8 knee braces with Fox Flexair gear. I live in Phoenix, AZ and it gets a little hot here in the summer (insert sarcasm). I ride in the desert/ Enduro's, Mountain climbs. IDGAF how hot it is (TBH I don't even notice it). The Mobius to me is the most protective knee brace there is, and gives me confidence while riding (I've had just about every off the shelf knee brace you can buy). If you can afford the Don Joy or CTI custom (without using insurance) great. If not, then in my opinion the Mobius are not that bulky or hot. Of course all of this...is just my opinion

[@bradleythomsen3083]

I don't know why I don't like you. You typically are accurate and honest.

[@benstanway3238]

If you look at 2.43 you can see that the straps of the Don joy brace are much higher. One of the main features of the mobius brace is the x wire system. That is designed to help protect your knee against over extension injuries. With the Donjoy you won't get that benefit because there is nothing stopping the back of your knee coming out of the brace and over extending your knee.

[@JoshStreetDesign]

not true, because the DonJoy is an over under design, the Mobius is not. Ask me how I know as I sit here with a completely destroyed knee from wearing Mobius. All other knee braces with out the over under design is basically just a pimped out guard.

[@bmfvids2823]

@@JoshStreetDesignwhat brace will you go with in the future? I’m also headed for ACL reconstruction, tore MCL and meniscus while I was at it. Did not have braces just pads at the time. Too old to do this again.

[@JoshStreetDesign]

@@bmfvids2823 I've actually had a change of heart. I got my insurance company to pay for two custom-made carbon fiber Donjoy Defiance Pro braces they billed insurance like $4,000. Crazy thing is they absolutely suck. Not comfortable, don't stop my leg from locking out, And are so big and bulky they don't fit under my Moto pants with the knee guard on them. And the thing about the knee guard attachment is it doesn't even cover your knee like only halfway It's totally not protective at all. The whole thing is an absolute rip off. My Mobius x8s are way better when you put them right on the skin and make them as tight as possible. They're still not going to stop my knee from blowing apart again if I crash the right way but it's better than nothing.

[@kimbercolt95]

The leatt X frames are not bad. When I wear braces I wear zip off riding shorts lots of air flow. And only 500-600 for both.

[@ТопорищевКонстантин]

POD K4, K8 are good too

[@ZSharkPH]

Thanks for answering the question we all wanted to know.

[@bizzidy]

I know this is three years old but i wanted to add a comment that others looking for knee braces could read and hopefully assist in their decision making. I currently wear the Mobius knee braces. I wear them every time i ride,l and have had some pretty good crashes with them on. Not to mention I’ve had sticks and branches pierce my pants over the braces. These braces in my opinion offer the most protection from injury you can attain from a knee brace, knee armor perspective. Regarding comfort? Couple they be more comfortable? Perhaps, but potentially at the expense of protection. I will say that once riding I forget all about the braces and don’t even feel them. Do they slide down? In one word NO. Quality? I’ve put close to 100 hours on mine and one of the straps got cut in a crash. It still works as the cut isn’t all the way across the strap but it will need replacing eventually. The plastic and foam besides being beat up is as solid and spongy as the day i bought them. I would highly recommend the Mobius knee braces/guards. Your ACL will thank you. Regarding the Don Joy? As a physician I can certainly support the points made in the video. My personal opinion is that as a brace the Don Joy is the industry gold standard. However, as a guard, intended for dirt bike riding, I can’t recommend it. By putting a knee guard over it that doesn’t fit with the brace itself is a hassle and probably lacks some protection as the guard will invariable shift around. Whatever you do buy, just do it soon and don’t risk an ACL injury or penetrating injury to the leg.

[@lenope730]

Those Mobius are the best "off the shelf" brace in the business bro (outside of maybe, CTI). They may have a little more bulk due to the patella guard, but go out there and line up behind a gate with a ton of 450's kicking roost/rocks at you and you'll want the knee protection.

[@dzhitshard]

and if you can read an instruction manual they are as "custom fit" as the unicorn tear braces he's pimping now. Went through 2 sets of custom CTi in the last 2 years before I actually pulled the trigger on Mobius. CTi's were "free" under insurance and I paid out of pocket for the Mobius. I'll do it again when the time comes too.

[@bradleythomsen3083]

@@dzhitshard ???

[@bradleythomsen3083]

@@dzhitshard Are you a shill? Nobody on earth agrees with you.

[@dzhitshard]

@@bradleythomsen3083 I'm sorry your ability to comprehend instructions is limited. The medial lateral fitting of all the knee braces mentioned is tuned with foam pads. CTi, DJ, Mobius etc. ALL of them, even the "custom fit" ones. The ortho tech who shows people how to put their braces on changes the velcro backed foam pads for people who aren't intelligent enough to do it themselves. Best of luck

[@sumporfuk]

Dude I have waited with bated breath hoping and praying for you to address this issue and finally my prayers have been answered. I also applaud you for going the extra mile to explain the differences between the braces 😁. I Guess you know what braces I’ll be spending my money on . Thank you 🙏

[@red303dat]

i own and ride with the mobius x8 braces , no complaints from me. Also i live in the middle of western aus where can be as hot as hell. Also reading through the comments looks like the consensus is the mobius is a good brace

[@DmitriyAdv]

I have the Donjoy defiance custom and it is amazing. I've had a bunch of other braces and the Donjoy fits far better than any of them. It's incredibly strong, light, and comfortable. I've had it on for 12-14 hours a day during gnarly dual sport rides and barely notice it's there. The Donjoy patella protector is garbage however. I really don't like how they attach to the brace and I feel like the impact brace fitment. I ended up using some Leatt knee/shin guards that I just wear over the brace. They're a bit more bulky, but they are a lot more comfortable and protective.

[@DirtBikeChannel]

Interesting.

[@edgarbleikur1929]

Awesome comment. This is what we need to read/hear/see!

[@kawasaki000000000000]

Might be worth him purchasing and doing another video.

[@eablaser1]

I completely tore my ACL/PCL/Meniscus when riding (without a brace... oooof). I have had many custom braces made over the last 6 years (Ossur, Don Joy etc.). I actually tore my ACL 2 separate times while wearing 2 different custom made Ossur CTI braces. I love my Don Joy! I think I have the beefier version of your custom brace ($2300 vs. $800), but it's the only one I trust my knees too. Well worth the cost and pain of going through multiple knee surgeries you could avoid! I have probably crashed hard 20+ times while wearing my Don Joy and know for a fact that my knee would have torn completely again with any other brace. As a bonus, Don Joy paints your brace with heavy-duty paint and they look good for a long time. I definitely agree with your comment about the CTI being inadequate for motocross and even trail riding. I have been able to convince my insurance to pay for my braces because they understand the $2300 cost is going to be less than more surgeries (they usually agree after significant fighting and back-and-forth).

[@JoshStreetDesign]

I just got the $2,300 Don Joy Defiance Pro braces... I don't like them at all and they provide nowhere near the kind of support that my Mobius X8 braces provide. The Don Joy's have zero knee protection even with that guard they sell with it. That card doesn't even fit well, doesn't provide much protection at all is too short, pops out of your boot, and if you pull it down it leaves entire top of your knee and your thigh unprotected. They're just really not meant for motocross.

[@WADZUP]

I have the Mobius and wear them with Fox sleeve socks and they fit great with my klim pants and Im 6'1 185. I do suggest some light tape over the straps to avoid the tightness from backing off on 6 hour rides. I also ride in the blazing heat and they are totally fine and I my body temp runs hot. Knee heat is the last thing on my mind. Protection is key and I dont mind investing but $2,000 to outfit both knees with braces and the pads is tough but I'd be interested in doing a comparison review.

[@Nuno.Alcaide]

Have the Asterisk for 11 years (can`t ride without them), and never had any knee problems. It`s a bit silly buying knee braces, and go ride without them (or with just some knee guards)..

[@Seldoff]

Dunno about Mebius, but I use Asterisk Ultra Cell brace and have zero issues with comfort, heat or their bulk. It's put on and forget. Yeah you need to choose pants accordingly but in these days it's not a problem at all. Also Asterisk has bigger "arms" that wrap around the leg than mebius or that custom brace has. And it's a very good thing as bigger arms mean less chance of brace rotating at impact and not doing it's job. Also you MUST wear some kind of sleeve under your brace, it's day and night difference in comfort level. Asterisk came with one but it can be easily made out of old base layer.

[@ariejonid]

Totally agree. I been using that for more than 7 years, try review on asterisk!!

[@leroyjones769]

You said everything spot on.

[@RacinJason]

Asterisk also attaches the boot the brace, so it's supposed to reduce twisting injuries. That seems like a pretty big deal. I've got the entry level RS9's and trying to decide between Asterisk, Leatt, or POD...etc..Plus heat is an issue where I ride too. Any recommendations?

[@xburtonboardnx]

@@RacinJason Do yourself a favor and avoid PODs.

[@Dobemandan]

Do you like the fastening system...? Seems to be an issue with some. I'm on the fence Thanks

[@Papparratzi]

Great vid with an actual real life test for the Donjoy. I’m sure it’s everything you said it is. Personally being a Mobius and EVS bracelet owner. I can tell you that the EVS felt more robust and during squeezing the tank, I couldn’t feel stress on the LCL, I do with the Mobius. If the number two harness is in or below your knee crease, you’re not aligning it correctly. On Mobius, make sure that your knee is at 90° and push it firmly from the #1 strap area. Then tighten the #1 strap up as high as you can comfortably fit it. Now the #2 harness will be above the incorrect position where it was in the knee crease. Fastening the #1 strap as described is the key to stopping migration. I ride 5 to 6 hours days or longer and don’t experience any migration but I don’t notice the heat. Maybe I’m just used to it?

[@sneaky98gt]

This is one of the first videos I've ever 'disagreed' with you on. You are correct that fit is everything, and with every person being unique, it's inevitable that some products won't work as well for some people. That said, your complaints with the X8 sound completely alien compared to my experiences, and the experiences of many friends of mine. I've never heard anyone complain of them being too hot, and we ride in 95+ degree, humid-as-hell NC. They are "bulky" compared to regular knee guards, but the very easy fix is to buy pants with extra leg room to fit. I've had a half dozen pairs of pants since I got mine, and all fit without issue. Same with my friends. As for the fitment, they are "off the shelf", but they literally come with a dozen different pads to get the fit where they need to be. It did take me several rides to get everything dialed in, but once I did, I completely forget about them for the day. Will they be as good as a custom set that cost 3-5x as much? Certainly not, but mine fit darn good, and I have no issues with articulation at all. So while your issues with them sound very real, and your praises of custom braces sound very plausible, the fact is that the overwhelming majority of riders will be well served by something off the shelf like the Mobius X8s. I think you're the exception here, not the rule.

[@DirtBikeChannel]

Sam from the channel had the exact same experience as me with the Mobius braces. Just saying :)

[@lawdayl]

@@DirtBikeChannel a helmet feels hot and bulky. Would you ride without one? I have to agree with the above, seems a tad silly to own braces and not wear them. We only have one pair of knees and even after an operation, no joint is ever the same again. The reality for most riders is that it's a stretch affording the mobius, let alone custom braces.

[@petrolheadsa]

The anti rotation tether is only available on the Asterisk thats why i chose them. I Wish the other brands had them. They might be a better option to protect your ACL . Speedy recovery

[@tylepicier]

Asterisk Ultra Cell 2.0 are amazing. So comfy. I suggest and recommend them! Good luck with your knee man

[@shawnrobidoux]

Thank you very much for the recommendation! This is so helpful because I don’t ride dirt bikes but I do work as a stuntman and I need low profile braces and adding pads to them can be rough working many hours at a time. So this added pad that can be purchased with the brace is such a relief!!! 👊🏻😊

[@55Shawn]

After watching your video a have called DonJoy twice and went to get fitted for DonJoys. All three times I have inquired about the A22’s and all three times I have been told by different reps that the Defiance is what to get for motorcross or sports. They told me that the A22 was not made for sports and would not give the protection that is needed.

[@Dobemandan]

Same here... I like the low profile of this A22 but it doesn't look like it has the strength for motor bike duties. On the fence...

[@clinthansen469]

I've had a very different experience with the Mobius braces. I've been riding with them for several months now in the 90+ degree Iowa heat and haven't noticed them being hot, restrictive, or uncomfortable. Granted, I wear knee brace sleeves so I don't notice the heat. Also, I'm a little odd in that I have a 36" waist but skinny chicken legs, so I have a ton of room in my riding pants. I think its really just a crap shoot on whether or not they're going to fit well.

[@paiankur]

Off the shelf donjoy with force point hinge can be bought for approx $900 otd for both (including patella guard). There are not as light as the a22 and not custom but they are still top notch.

[@2wheels1guy25]

Nice comparison, but I bought the mobius’ and been very content with them. I’ve fallen with them on day 3 of wearing them and I am pretty sure they saved me a ligament in that crash. I don’t find them hot or uncomfortable as well.

[@GBDubstep]

I recommend the Leatt X-Frame Hybrids. A lot cheaper than the donjoy and they don’t move down my leg and the straps are replaceable if they wear out and you can buy one brace at a time if you break one of them.

[@MaGiiCvX]

I have torn both ACL’s and use the Bregg Fusion XT’s. However i don’t have need guards on them. Knees are no fun. Best of luck with the rest of your recovery!

[@johndavidson3850]

I think for most people most of the time the mobius are great!! Ive had them for a year and love them maybe they just dont fit your legs.. All knee braces will have pros and cons. However the donjoys have a massive con..the price!!! Id also like to know why you previously said the mobius were so good??

[@webby36939]

Hey bud I tore my acl in my left and right knee. I tore my right knee first door arenacross in New York when i was 16 . Had surgery got prescribed a cti 2 custom knee brace. Did my rehab started racing again and went to unidilla national and tore my left acl not wearing a brace on that knee. So went through surgery and everything and got a cti custom brace for that knee as well. In my opinion they àre great braces but I'll tell ya I could not keep those things in place for the life of me. I was constantly pulling them up. I beat the crap out of them and they stayed together. I was do for New ones and I looked into the Donjoy defience 3 custom braces. I went to the doctors office who performed my operations and he just wrote me out a prescription for both left and right braces. Got à cast made of each knee and had both braces in like a month free of charge other than my custom paint job and the knee cap protectors. I'll tell you these donjoys are so comfortable . They do not migrate at all . If your looking for good quality braces I would go with donjoys or cti. With the cti braces don't be shy if they don't fit or stay in place speak up right away to get the best fit. With the cti bràces I didn't speak up because they were my first braces and figured they all did that. But if you have a cool knee doctor have him write u out a prescription for whatever braces you choose and your insurance should cover the chàrge.

[@ericwberg1]

I tore my ACL in March. Surgery is scheduled next month. I wasnt willing to sacrifice my summer riding with my kids. I got the mobius pair. They are a bit uncomfortable and warm but a little sweat running down my leg is worth a it. I rode this afternoon and after 5 min of riding you forget they are there.

[@pimpshark]

I find the Mobius braces to be awesome. They give so much protection you can just wear them with boots and a pair of shorts in hot weather.

[@jarek3573]

That what I was looking for! Thank you! Hope your knee gets better soon!

[@nickdefreitas]

Thank you for doing this video. It's great that you listen to your viewers.

[@Spicewoodmotoshop]

I triple threated (acl,mcl and pcl) my right knee wearing astrisks, I've decided to go back to no brace and wearing the EVS tp199. they give a good support and impact protection without the bulk.

[@actstuntcam]

Yep, good choice - Soft armor has a lot of advantages, especially if they move and aren't sitting correctly when you impact them. This is why I would never wear hard armor for elbows. I wear kneepads too. They are hard, but have good coverage of soft padding that extends well past the edges of the plastic. Additionally, with the shin pads tucked into my boots they never seem to move. Actually, the addition of the shin pad really helps hold them in place, as well as the generosity of the overall coverage of the armor and the well-placed straps. In my opinion, something that has hard armor (especially something well-designed to distribute load) backed with generous amounts of shock-absorbing foam would be the best combo, for most armor.

[@JoshStreetDesign]

Are you crazy, literally just destroyed my knee wearing soft armor. The tree laughed at it and my knee bent like a wet noodle.

[@Spicewoodmotoshop]

@@JoshStreetDesign seems it just doesn't matter what I wear..

[@JoshStreetDesign]

@@Spicewoodmotoshop that's discouraging man... Makes me want to retire from riding, never want to go through this again. It's ruining my life

[@Spicewoodmotoshop]

@@JoshStreetDesign I tried to quit.. but it only lasts a few months. Moto is just part of who I am. at 53. I'm going to just keep riding and try not to get hurt. I'm much happier with moto in my life

[@Foxtrot1967]

Did a complete ACL & Meniscus tear July 2nd 2019 on my right knee. Stubborn and not wanting to do surgery and rehab I tried to let it heal on its own, which is physically impossible. For the last 7 months I've lived with major pain, instability and atrophy. 2 weeks ago completely tore my left ACL & Meniscus and its been a huge struggle to walk and do normal activities. I'm scheduled for surgery in 2 weeks to get the right done, then back to surgery again for the left. Out of all my injuries during my lifetime, i'll have to say the ACL's tears have been the most frustrating and problematic injuries due to the fact they cant heal on their own with time and recovery.

[@D-blaze]

Good luck man and a speedy recovery. Get a Don Joy. Full ACL and meniscus tear, myself, went a year before my actual surgery. Very frustrating. Before surgery try to build up your hamstrings the best you can, it'll help your rehab process.

[@Foxtrot1967]

@@D-blaze Thanks DB. Just getting released from the hospital from back surgery. One surgery at a time. Keep up the great KZbin work my friend.

[@Foxtrot1967]

@@D-blaze Thanks man! BTW, because of your video "do you need a 450 dirt bike" I purchased a 2019 Honda CRF 250 RX and have never been happier.

[@D-blaze]

@@Foxtrot1967 I think you have me mistaken for the content creator haha I'm just a fellow viewer and dirt bike enthusiast. I currently ride a CRF450X for what it's worth and I absolutely love it! Hope you're healing well brother.

[@Foxtrot1967]

@@D-blaze Thanks DB.

[@Trad-Am]

The biggest complaint I've had with the braces I've had asterisk cell, and now fox pods. Is they're so damn bulky you don't feel like you can grip the bike as well. If those donjoy's are smaller with better protection ill be getting fit for a set.

[@UngulateGuardian797]

I love my DonJoy braces. I got them for college football they are way more comfortable than all the others I’ve tried. I use them when riding dirt bike as well. The one thing I’ve noticed is that you will catch the hinge sometimes on your plastics and frame. You get used to it after awhile. After using them consistently you will probably feel bare without them.

[@adamaborn3011]

Tore my ACL less than a month ago riding while wearing my custom CTi braces. I had the #2 wedge (There are 5 levels to adjust extension) in the hinge at the time of the crash. Strain MCL and PCL, minor lateral meniscus tear. I have had a Donjoy brace for my left knee from tearing that ACL in my teens. It fit well, however it does not have a comfortable knee cup. The design hasnt changed much in 20 years for the knee cup to be improved. I like my CTi braces but I recommend the #3 wedge. The #4 wedge is too much. The #2 was clearly not enough to prevent hyperextension. My knees had a natural hyperextension from birth so part of it is case by case. But I would rather go without a helmet than knee braces at this point. That's how bad this sucks

[@aaron___6014]

Did you lift weights or do squats before? I'm curious how strong your legs were.

[@djlewis78]

Hey Kyle, thanks for the video - could you go in to more of your reasoning why you preferred the a22 over the defiance III?

[@mstraeter]

I just tore my ACL wearing Asterisk’s ultra cell 2.0 a couple weeks ago. I’m not sure the mediums were a good fit for me despite matching the sizing chart. A good fit is super important. Will have to check out the don joy equipment going forward.

[@Ddurocher82]

I’m in the same situation. Tore my knee up in an EVS carbon. Going to look at donjoy.

[@aaron___6014]

Did you lift weights or do squats before? I'm curious how strong your legs were.

[@brettkovak6344]

I’ve had a cti for skiing for years works great, I’m sure there’s better ones though! Just got back into dirt riding at 51 yrs old gotta get one for the other knee. May have to look into that one to compare. Anything is better than nothing! Gotta protect those old knees!! Thanks for the insight. Cti WAS the industry leader back in the day, but I knew there was something better out there these days!! Ride on!! Good luck with a speedy recovery!

[@bendeleckeiii4229]

U need to use Asterist ultra cell 4.0... the reason why is the ONLY knee brace that incorporates with your boots. Your knee is not made to twist. Your hip is. When you lock knee brace with boots.. yup insane protection

[@b1slyfox]

Tore my ACL and MCL wearing Pod K3 now I have custom CTi, insurance paid for the one for the injured knee. Knee braces are great but there isn't one out there that can protect against a twisting type of injury.

[@kenfarnsworth5239]

b1slyfox . some that attach to boot may .

[@b1slyfox]

My buddy has the Asterisk ones that have it, not too convincing at least to my eyes.

[@kenfarnsworth5239]

Pod braces are pretty good. You should compare them too.The k8 I believe is the carbon fiber ones.

[@cheetah694]

The patella cup design is all wrong in Pods.

[@xburtonboardnx]

@@cheetah694 x2. I can't stand my POD K4's. Will be replacing them ASAP.

[@motofreak2772]

How have you liked the Don Joy? I'm surprised that your rep pushed you towards the A22 when their own website recommends the Defiance over the A22 for motocross. I don't think the A22 was meant for lateral impacts. If you squeeze your brace at the joint you will see how much give there is. Defiance is more rigid at the expense of bulk.

[@michaelcerami3740]

SO TRUE! I had the mobius and it was really tough getting on and off the bike and I’m 6’2”. I could barley swing my leg over the seat because they wouldn’t flex much. Once on the bike they were ok but they felt SO restrictive I couldn’t enjoy myself. I think they are great for MX riding where you’re not on and off the bike a bunch.

[@DirtBikeChannel]

Your experience matched mine.

[@philperrin8725]

sorry for you not wearing your braces perhaps a little pain with heat and discomfort would have paid off but on the up side because it's good to think positive the fuel you saved will have offset the mobious cost happy riding

[@sumporfuk]

Kyle, now that you've been back into the swing of riding again I have no doubt that you are wearing your DonJoy's for every ride. I have a few questions post second time around. 1. Are you using the DonJoy Patella knee cup with the shin guard or have you moved on to some other type of knee guard? 2. Your right leg has undoubtedly gained muscle mass by now. Have you had any reason to have your leg remeasured and a new brace re-fitted? 3. Could you make a follow up video about the brace and how it feels to be using it in everyday riding situations?

[@jbraz8]

I totally agree Kyle, I purchased a brace like yours from my therapist for 850 and I put my knee shin guard right over it comfortably, rather than the big boxish riding brace..

[@jaruma177]

I have been using the POD MX K4, and pretty happy with them.... took me about 3-4 rides to get used to them, and now can hardly notice I have them.... thanks for sharing your thoughts

[@palmpilote]

I wear Breg custom knee brace. It is the German medical knee brace company. The design is very similar to Donjoy. I have Asterisk and Mobius but the custom fit of Breg is way better than the others. After wearing the custom fit knee brace, you know what is the true comfort and never go back.

[@tmk5522]

I thought my mobius braces are fairly comfortable for what they are. took me a few hours of swapping pads to get them there with some stance knee brace socks I don’t mind them at all. They are toasty very toasty. Still need imaging and to see an orthopedic but the er doctor is pretty sure I tore my acl was being dumb riding wheelies with no gear on...

[@dagsterblaster4973]

Sorry about your injury. I am on month 14 on a ripped apart achilles, and just broke a couple few bones in my other foot. Frustrating stuff. I can probably ride after 10 days of that, but none of my boots fit, foot is too swollen... You can get something called a "Fit Board" to continue to work your muscles, which you will lose if you don't work on them. You can also swim. I tore a calf muscle due to my achilles rupture, about 4-5 months after the original injury due to weakening of muscles. I'm 50 yrs old, so the recovery time of injury is all a sudden more noticeable. All that said? I never quit riding, I was off roading the day after my achilles tear. I couldn't walk, but I could ride...

[@lenbong1234]

I'll have to go to the VA and tell them I tore my knees up so I can get some high speed braces too.. lol

[@sgtyut6305]

Any luck? I'm going to try this.

[@timbomuffin]

Hi bud good news for you I am picking up my second hand huski 300i in to weeks only done 70 miles looks like new.keep doing your vids and keep getting better.🇬🇧👍

[@joewaters4236]

I’ve worn the mobius knee braces and CTI braces I like the mobius better you aren’t wearing the number 2 strap high enough on your leg and they’re meant to be work tight also with wearing them a little higher on your leg they will fit the pant you shouldn’t have to go up a size they’re one of the most slim braces on the market

[@HobbitHomes263]

I gotta admit that this channel taking on massive amounts of medical liability is impressive!

[@HobbitHomes263]

As a 35 year ski onstructor: most ACL injuries involve a backward- twisting fall. LIke IN a steep clomb when you jump off a bike and try to save the climb. After watching a lot of climbing fails The backward-twisting fall i svery common in enduro

[@jonuldrick]

I've got the Don Joy Defiance and it does a great job. Luckily for me, insurance covered it when the surgeon prescribed it or i probably wouldn't have ended up getting it. But seeing that A22, I wonder if it might be a good option to look into for those times I know the brace will be beneficial, but i won't be needing to worry about contact (i was playing soccer when my knee injury happened and why they suggested the defiance).

[@tylepicier]

No matter the brace, I have been wearing answer raving gear since I was 8. I’m 17 now. I wear knee braces, and my knee braces work great with it. I do recommend trying answers gear.

[@erickinsley4737]

My dad tore his acl and he has a donjoy brace and he normally just wears knee pads for moto and now when he rides he doesn't even use the brace. He only uses it for hockey because that's when how knee is actually twisting

[@pags1981]

Find what works for you, have Leeat C Frames and Alpinestar Fluid Pro knee braces, the Leeats are just too heavy. Alpinestars for me.

[@derby4life80z6]

Just my opinon You must not have the settings on the brace right. The mobius braces are more protective for your knee bending backwards I'd rather snap my leg than my knee snap in half and the mobius braces must be good if the top motocross riders use

[@jbartziokas]

Oh man, same story for me. Custom CTI braces and I was wearing my knee pads. Surgery next week for a torn ACL

[@levz.adventures9365]

jbartziokas I think I’ve torn my ACL just 2 days ago. Going for a MRI tomorrow. Did you have your CTI braces on at the time?

[@jbartziokas]

LEVz.Adventures no I wasn’t wearing them.

[@levz.adventures9365]

jbartziokas thanks. How did surgery and recovery go?

[@jbartziokas]

LEVz.Adventures surgery went good, recovery was rough and long for me. My knee got infected at the start and I was in the ER every day for a week tell they figured out what was wrong. I went to physiotherapy twice a week once I was able. Started riding about 8 months after surgery and didn’t feel completely comfortable with my knee at racing tell 12 months. Now I’m pretty much 100% with a little less range in flexibility in my operated knee.

[@levz.adventures9365]

@@jbartziokas Thanks! I'll be getting my MRI scans tomorrow then off to the doctor so have them analysed. Good times!!

[@elmofroemke710]

Kyle, how about for the kiddos'? POD youth or other braces...hate to risk the cost/rehab for the lil' guys as well.

[@shaun936]

I had a pair of mobius braces and had the same issues as you. To me... they were crap. Those braces are completely covered on the front which makes them have 0 air flow, and the x brace on back wouldn’t allow me to bend my knee. I have the pod k4 braces now used with a set of asterisk knee brace pants and they are absolutely amazing. Any brace is better than no brace but you should have tried a different pair if you were not pleased with the mobius! As far as pants from what I have experienced is fly has the best amount of space for braces in the knee area and I’m a 32 also. Sucks to see you injured but good luck with recovery! I’d be absolutely crazy by now without riding!

[@cheetah694]

The more ventilation wholes you add, the greater is the risk to get traumatized. Mobius is made with professional MX in mind. And I don't agree that any brace is better than no brace. If it doesn't fit you properly it can do more harm than good.

[@travisbaker794]

I wear mobius braces and they are really comfortable. No problems with heat for me. Do you wear anything under your braces? That makes a huge difference. For an off the shelf brace they are really good IMO. If I was to get a custom set of braces for riding then I would definitely go with CTI.

[@roywalls5595]

I wear right knee brace by Bled and when I go riding I wear Aryse knee brace because more lighter! Also I had upgrade pads to icon d30 ghost pads insert to RAC3 denim jean mostly I need those pads for left knee 100% full replace!💯

[@b-manz]

What about attaching to the boot to prevent knee twist? My Asterisk have that feature and apparently (according to some riders) is 50% of the value.

[@tysonhorne3281]

I had the Donjoy after acl replacement. I had fitment issues between my boot and the brace. So it did not work for me because it would pinch the back of my calf. I now use the Mobius, it has been hard to find pants that fit around d them. At the end of the day there really is no good options that I have found. Unless maybe you are less than 160 pounds. I am not.

[@JYTherapy]

I didn't pay much more than 2k for either of my KTMs. No way I can afford that much for braces. I have the Mobius braces (paid $450 on sale) and they do the job well in my opinion. The heat and bulk are a minute downside, but the protection is great.

[@waltersobchek2465]

2002maniac if they work good for you that's what's important. My knee surgery cost $19 Grand lol

[@nathanielnawrocki3876]

Thank you for the awesome review...acl, mcl, tibial plateau fracture 4 months ago, waiting on surgery still due to major blood clotting issues but def gonna get fitted for braces when it's all said and done

[@JoshStreetDesign]

Exact same thing just happened to me, knee hit a friggin tree. Meet with a surgeon Thursday.

[@lovejesusu3]

Sure you should get the best to protect you from injury But compared two distinctly different price products? It’s like comparing a crf450r to Crf250l for motocross they dose the same thing but at a different level obviously

[@codyhaines6417]

A lot of people with complaints on here bought the wrong size. They need to be professionally fitted to you. I am 6’ 3” and wear a small. When I worked at the dealership the mobius rep said he had only ever sold like 3 largest in his career. Most average riders are x small- medium

[@sgtyut6305]

I'm researching the subject and most people recommend trying as many brands as possible. They all fit differently, so if you've got the spare cash order a few and return what you don't keep. The Mobius's in particular don't work well with skinny legs.

[@13CDallas]

EBAY or Craigslist. Purchased DONJOY Armor Forcepoint for $75 bucks (Regular MSRP $500+), they are not custom fit, but unless you have freakish leg proportions or someone else is paying for it you don't really need custom braces. There are a couple of good videos as well as the DonJoy site for determining what size you need. Best protection for your knees if you are wrestling a 250/450 linebacker trying to sideline you for 6 months.

[@bradsanders6954]

Ive had prescription Cti braces,Ive had non prescription Cti braces. Ever since they made em I wore em...........I destroyed my left knee completely and totally wearing them. Ive tried other expensive braces. Hot,sweaty,bulky,sliding down my legs perpetual pain in the ass. Imagine trying to clamp a loaf of bread from the outside,to prevent bones in the middle of it from twisting. If you crash hard enough,or catch the leg just the right way ....snap!.............Ive had the velcro rip free on the braces. I have a full Ti left knee now,I have put 100 hard hours of trail on it not wearing braces at all. Bicycle riding has strengthened my knees really well.

[@rcorser1]

Hi. Great vid! Always enjoy your vids and look forward to them. Will you please provide us with an update? Are you wearing a set now each time you ride? Have your tried the pods k8? I’m thinking about getting them.

[@fushki]

Why not POD or Leatt braces? They both have certified orthopaedic braces in the range and are designed to be medically certified rather than just say it helps.

[@johndavidson3850]

Maybe the donjoys are lighter and slimmer but they dont look like they would protect you anywhere near so well in a crash, theres also zero thigh protection compared to the mobius.

[@DirtBikeChannel]

I'm simply telling you that I own both and I know which one I prefer.

[@jaredthompson8188]

Was trying to skip the add the whole video only to realize it was the video

[@omphileneo]

😆

[@liammccann342]

I have cheap ufo hinged knee braces which probably have worse ventilation but I ride motocross and my shift trousers have a lot of knee ventilation

[@tim4690]

What about replacement parts? I'm not sure I heard you discuss options for replacing damaged or even wore out parts like the clips or however it's attached to the knee. I have a pair of asterisk knee braces that I bought in 2006 and called the company to get the webbing replaced and they told me it's not available and offered me a 20% discount on a pair of new braces.

[@JourdonGulick]

Man, a torn ACL over the summer riding season... Stay strong haha

[@xXRedEyedStrangerXx]

Jaughn Deau damn, hope you’re back quick as possible man

[@enduronorthnz6437]

i have some pod k8s , hard enduro terrain , i cant event tell they are there when riding , they are great

[@ZIMAVIATION]

I’ll take you mobius knee braces - they will go great with my non existing ACL. :-)

[@masterbeta343]

My dad uses cti knee braces and he paid $1500 per side so for the pair thats $3000 but it was mostly paid for by insurance and he has had them since 2007 and just recently 10 years later he got them refurbished and its probably good for another 10 years

[@Hanibul_Lecktor]

Still wearing knee braces and if so thoughts 2yrs later.

[@EnduroGripBosnien]

I bought the same mobius x8 and i noticed its to massive and i cannot wear my pants normally so i sold them...now i am looking for leatt x frame, evs axis, or pod k8 v2,

[@KB-2324]

Hi Kyle, I live up here in Layton. Can you tell me where you had these custom fitted at? Thanks!