Was Japan RIGHT? - Differences Between Regions in Guilty Gear

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[@CharacterCrisisTV]

2:00, Main difference that I see is that NA does not respect pressure, lacks defense, and footsies. Japan has us beat in that dept.

[@hakumenx1]

I think the issue is that perceptions of what is good or bad is heavily skewed by content creators and the fans just regurgitate whatever their favorite says. The other issue is many characters are played by people who take a long time to evolve. May, Zato, Bridget to some extent, Testament etc are slept on because their player base is lower and tech takes longer to form. The other issue with low pop characters is that there's then exists a disproportionate gap between good and sub par so "learning the matchup" becomes much harder to reach for the average player. So they start getting absolutely nuked by cyclic knowledge checks and gimmicks where the penalties are disproportionately high which furthers the illusion that some characters are bonkers strong vs characters who seemingly struggle. Mix that with every character dealing monstrous damage, free access to safe jumps, prc tech penalizing defense options and defense basically requiring the defender to be better than the attacker Its pretty much no wonder why the West seems to struggle accepting any ideas but their own myopic view / playstyles. The last thing i think is an issue is content creators using charged words like "god button" which creates an implication that isnt actually true in practice. Then the parroting reinforces those beliefs whether those parrots even have the skill to back up those claims or challenge them. We have 2 case studies for this a certain someone passed around the "bloodrage is not a penalty" and now Mocchis Sol Badguy which challenges the idea that Sol is in a pitiful state. Rather than consider the idea that they may be wrong they instead simply disregard the players stellar success rate with the character and only attribute it to the player. "Sols still bad, Mocchi is just a genius". Finally i believe the Wests over simplification of interactions between characters results in a frustration formed because what they see on youtube doesn't translate. Because nuetral interactions are typically not guaranteed which results in numerous situations where 2 people are guessing or making educated guesses but its being passed off a solid, fool proof interactions.

[@D4C_267]

Yep everyone is USA thinks millia is bad because of lord knights constant bitchy whining and his propaganda videos.

[@itsjarrrd]

What I know is that every Gio in NA feels like they have to step up their game. TY is so good bro

[@garethcf1016]

I actually find it so amusing that someone speaking english is actually stating what ram is weak at. I am so used to people just saying she is broken without actually thinking through what her strengths and weaknesses are. Which kinda translates to top tiers in most games

[@PanacheDota]

It's nice to have these high level scene overviews. Very interesting thoughts overall. Would definitely appreciate more, such as the pre-Evo Japan video you alluded to. Cheers.

[@EHyde-ir9gb]

I like this analysis, but I'm curious where ino fits into all this. She's regarded quite highly in Japan when she is arguably the most skewed in favor of offense or almost any character in the game

[@MichaelJohnson-vu3bt]

But she's really good at playing footies though especially in the air. Her 5h is one of the best whiff punish buttons in the game imo and when you're condition to not push buttons without thinking, she has the best 50/50 in the game punish you for that. I-no's issue isn't that she's bad, but she's not designed to be played in a way most anime players tend to play their games

[@bluejay7058]

@@MichaelJohnson-vu3btthis is such a similar reason that Millia isn’t top tier. She’s not bad at all, but her tools don’t lend well to playing Strive. She gets reward diffed a lot and her BS setups just aren’t enough to save her especially at high level play. Just like I-No, completely playable and might win stuff, but it’s just not the game for either of them really.

[@MichaelJohnson-vu3bt]

@@bluejay7058 That's the thing though. You're right in that they aren't top tier and they don't have easy offense like most of the characters people tend to play. They're low life and guts truly hurts them a lot as well and imo that's they're real weakness. But they can make the opps think twice about their flowchart offense. Both of them are good at using movement to create space and capitalize off whiffed buttons but a lot of people don't want to play like that. Partly for the risk of relying on movement and footies alone but mostly because they'd rather snowball like HC, Leo, Ram, Jack-o and Baiken can. To summarize, I think they are good but they require good footies and a desire to play footies for them to be good and a lot of players don't want to play like that.

[@SQuirrel147]

Yeah I think I-No is an odd one out (also not placing Leo high despite valuing defensive options lol). I don't have any reasoning beyond Daru does well honestly. Which just goes back to my point both regions are right and wrong about different things and really it's more about considering different things and less about who is right anyway

[@shiftedclock]

​@@SQuirrel147 Japan values characters with good defensive options, and devalues characters with *reactable* mixups (e.g. HC, Leo). They generally have higher confidence in being able to block mixups, except against characters with unreactable mixups, such as I-No. You could extrapolate and say this is because of their history of offline play (arcades) where blocking a 16-18 frame overhead is doable if practiced. NA is online-focused by comparison, and thus values offense higher, because it's harder to block 16-18 frame mixups consistently online. This line of thinking dates back to at least SF4, and probably earlier (it was talked about when GGXXAC and MBAC were the newest games in those franchises). Most NA players react fairly negatively to this idea, because it implies we're not as good defensively, but it does explain some of the differences between the scenes. Although how Japan's emphasis on good defensive options factors into this is still unclear.

[@pasdan4985]

I think one other thing that’s happened with the conversation surrounding character power post-awt is fully disregarding personal matchups between players It came up pretty clearly a few times, like how umisho’s bracket run started with tempest or how Mocchi and TY played completely different in grand finals against each other compared to the rest of the tournament

[@BrotherShaw]

Different regions, different playstyles, and different understandings of the game based on dealing with said playstyles. What works in NA may not work in JP, and vice versa. Also it's a safe bet that players play versus players w/in their own regions more than outside of them.

[@zato-1766]

I think it really depends more on what you're judging. I would say theoretical game theory wise Chaos is the best character in the game, he just does things that others simply can't. However, Sol is really consistent, which when nerves and such are popping at a double elimination tournament best 2 out of 3 makes sense. Chaos is much easier to just have 1 bad game with and get booted from the tournament. I'd prefer if we had some long sets between Umisho and Mocchi and such for better high player judgement. But it would also still come down to players at the end of the day.

[@PanacheDota]

Lol, yo, somebody set up this Umisho v Mocchi showdown, please. FT15. I'd contribute to that pot.

[@HellecticMojo]

@@PanacheDota Umisho was heavily stacked against in Arc Revo. I really want to see why JP think HC is so bad

[@SQuirrel147]

This is another good point about character strength yeah. Honestly would like to do a video talking about the different ways to evaluate character strength/tier lists 😅

[@chimu691]

Honestly, I think it comes down to what each scene values in neutral. In Japan, I think options are what they value most because in their mind they want to avoid getting blown up as much as possible. That's why DP's are so valued over there. I think here in America, we find it more of a competition to see who can explode who first. We value our defensive options less because we're thinking that if we've lost half of our health already the game is basically over. While this doesn't explain characters like Bridget being low in Japan but high in the west, I think it ties in nicely with what you had to say about playstyle. After all, playstyle reflects mindset.

[@coolfish420]

I've come across the stubbornness with Nago and his most recent patch changes. I've suggested that between the 2S nerf and his defense modifier being weaker at high blood, he might not be top 3 anymore. Some people react like I said I wanted to burn their house down! Our scene being more open-minded can't be anything but a good thing.

[@SylemGistoe]

I really like the way arcrevo turned out- with the one exception being that Umisho didn't get to play anyone from Japan. I feel like it should allow people to reexamine their thoughts about characters - and that maybe some characters people think aren't good are actually better than they're given credit for. Makes me feel like this game is way more balanced than a lot of folks give it credit for. ....that said, nerf happy chaos, because I play jack-o and I am in PAIN!

[@casualcaucasianheterosexua2920]

I play HC and Jack-O’ they’re both in an alright spot I think. Can’t really nerf Chaos anymore without making him dog water

[@SylemGistoe]

@@casualcaucasianheterosexua2920 I was more saying it to be funny, but honestly, still feel HC is getting away with murder, and is the best character in the game. I like him a lot as a character, but i honestly wouldn't hate him getting knee capped. Nago took a much needed bump and is still fine. HC has way more they could do to him. But regardless, the HC/Jack-O match up is just abysmal for her, and always will be no matter what. He just doesn't have to interact with her, and him doing anything completely shuts down her ability to play. She has zero tools to fight him, can't pull minions in neutral, and is particularly weak to ranged attacks her minions couldn't even interact with to begin with. All that said, i didn't say i thought Jack-O was weak or anything- she's a character built to have some lopsided awful match ups. I can still complain about the blue homestuck-looking jerk though, lol.

[@stevenluoma1268]

I just hope they played casuals at some point so umisho could show them how good hc is

[@SylemGistoe]

@Steven Luoma looking forward to Evo Japan. Seriously. Not getting to see what Japan does against the west's biggest problem characters is *such* a waste. I've never seen anyone fight happy chaos and make him look like anything less than the best character in the game BY FAR.

[@casualcaucasianheterosexua2920]

@@SylemGistoe nah don’t get me wrong he’s top 2 easily. But I can’t think of anything else they could really do to the guy. Maybe take away his guard crush? Make curse last a little less? I don’t really know honestly, his normals are fine, it’s the gun mixups that are so strong, and they can’t take away his main gimmick so. Jack-O’ is also incredibly suppressive with practice, and has normals that put a lot of the cast to shame. All in all, I don’t think much is changing next patch, except obvious Sin buffs cause that boy is drowning right now.

[@SnakeEater1964_]

"Ram sucks. Nago mains are carried" - SQ (for the Algorithm)

[@silith7027]

I think people in the west are so used to hating on Ram (pretty sure she's the most hated character in the game) that they don't even want to change their mind about her anymore.

[@steezuschrist0999]

Ngl she deserves the hate

[@kauanjos3199]

Dealing with reversal super fells like i'm playing fighterZ

[@petree]

This is an American thing in general in fighting games lol. I know of a certain character in a game that was top tier that ended up like prolly high mid. People still fucking hate that character even though their is some fucking war crimes on other characters

[@АртёмТор-к2ю]

Hc is the most hated by far

[@zato-1766]

Bruh you coping gard if you think Ram is the most hated character in the game over Chaos. I like Chaos and I'm not even that great with him but I basically can't get matches when I play with him cause people just see celestial chaos and insta refuse.

[@lostvayne9146]

a lot of younger folks in the scene don't get that japan has always by and large dominated just about every fighting game that they care to compete in. At least the games that we have come to know such as street fighter or guilty gear for two decades now. In every iteration. Also korea as well with tekken with japan second. Its why their opinions on tiers are valued even when argued. It only makes sense the strongest region sets the standard. they are the ones who showed that NA was playing street fighter wrong in the early days with their fundamentals. Where do you think the popularization of footsies, oki or abare came from. NA pros will often tell you to go on a trip to japan to bring your skills to the next level. They have the largest pool of strong players and by going, it opens up your eyes to the world. Your skills elevate simply by competing over on the other side. What SQ said about NA focusing heavily on RPS and mixups while Japan/korea focus on fundamentals, neutral, defense and patient, consistent solid play is a difference of playstyle as old as the oldest fighting game. The latter always superior by results historically. This is not new and its the same old story. That NA has caught up or were all equal. They get overconfident, then reality hits when the the mass of oversea competition comes in. Not just one or 2 but 10s or 20s. Come to 2023, and this remains constant. It is a little sad how unchanging this fact is after decades.

[@SQuirrel147]

I've been around for 8 years now so I am quite well aware of how things have gone in the past. That said, the player skill gap is not really there in Strive. All the players played each other in casuals plenty at AWT finals and the scores were quite even. Point of the video isnt so much about one region being right and more that there is much to learn from all of us

[@PoppinBgO]

In regards to The finals we also have to consider matchup spread. Japan picks characters and values characters based on players and matchups. Mocchi is just a top player at what he does and the tournament was stacked in away that his path was favorable. Ty and Skyll also had similar beneficial bracket placements

[@Joltte]

Interesting outlier that seem to be highly rated in japan despite being more volatile: I-No, Millia, Goldlewis, Zato Only reason i can think of these is specific pilots destroying everyone?

[@culturemanoftheages]

I really like your vids yo. Some of the most level-headed analysis among FGC content creators

[@SQuirrel147]

Thanks! Glad you enjoy 😊

[@mattsheehan3604]

Banger video, very thought provoking

[@Cassapphic]

This video is very clearly biased from SQ being a ram player, I'm not calling it major ram downplay (although it focuses a lot on her weaknesses so like it kinda is but thats not the point) because the main controvery is always how japanese tier lists rate chaos super low, because they have no chaos players, outside of the high execution barrier, HC should be fine if we look at the JP skillset as being more rounded and patient, a character with threatening options literally anywhere on screen who is almost impossible to whiff punish with very oppressive pressure that can be staggered and used to bait strong defensive options which we saw mocchi and TY do a lot, should be good there, they just, don't play chaos for some reason and I'm sure that's part of why he got such a light slap on the wrist last patch while Ram and nago received, while not debilitating, notable nerfs.

[@SQuirrel147]

What does any of this have to do with me being a Ram player? I used her as an example because I play her and know her well and Japan has always rated her lower than we have over in NA. The point is not even about who is right or wrong anyways, more that there is much to learn on both ends and being open minded is good.

[@Cassapphic]

@@SQuirrel147 Sorry if this came off more mean than I intended, you used Ram as the primary example both because you know the character well and she is a good example of this, I moreso meant how it shows how much of an outlier HC is that he doesnt really fit into any more typical discussion of regional playstyles and habits/perspectives.

[@nkirmath8621]

I think that making a meta around casual styles would help a better result when talking about specific countries.

[@krowe5911]

Given that you mentioned Ram's defensive options, do you mind me asking what you think of Ram's 2p? I'm not particularly good at the game, but I often feel that one of Ram's biggest understated weaknesses is her awful 2p. It has the same startup as 2k but with worse range, damage, and conversions. I feel that not having a good 5 frame move to mash while crouching is a huge detriment, but since you're one of the best Ramlethal players I can think of I'd love to hear your take on it.

[@АртёмТор-к2ю]

Ram already have very good offence. She doesn't need good defence on top of that

[@sylascole5254]

Independent of the Ram salt, I think you're likely right, seeing as how her 2k essentially does it's job (but better since it can low profile a bit better), 2p is kind of a dead move that way. There's a few characters like this, it may just be a suffering from success issue. Ram isn't really meant to abare out of pressure easily, so her 2p is gonna take a hit, but she already got paid for that because of how strong her pressure can be.

[@Cassapphic]

she's not the only character like this baiken's 2p is literally entirely outclassed by her 2k in every regard, some characters just, dont get the luxury of good crouhcing abare and have to know when to stand its just a skill that character requires.

[@SQuirrel147]

Her 2P is almost entirely useless yeah lol. Every other move has more value to using them defensively. Though to be fair this is true for a lot of characters in regards to their P buttons so it's kind of a general issue.

[@Artemi22]

I gotta say I love how your channel is chie themed it's really cute

[@SQuirrel147]

Thanks! Big Chie fan 🥰

[@Emillll]

I think the player skill gap is still there between the regions. The problem is that the games in this generation(Strive, Melty Lumina, Kof15, SF5, etc) have trivialized a number of things compared to the older games, particularly execution. I feel like most players today can execute almost every optimal combo in the new generation games, but it takes much more practice to do this in games such as GGXX+R, Kof2002, Blazblue, etc. Furthermore, damage in the new games (at least Strive and SF5) is very high, making match results volatile. I think this favors a playstyle that forces rps. Like even if Japan is better at whiff punish, it is still hard to whiff punish. Make a mistake and you can get stuck in the blender in a high damage game and lose the round. So I think evaluating who is better strictly by looking at the score, doesn't tell the whole story. You have to actually pay attention to the interactions that are happening in the match, but a lot of people don't do this. Their opinions of who is the best, sway constantly with the results of every major tournament and I don't think this is the right way to look at it. I've been following the scenes of many countries for many games for the past 20 years or so and Japan has been the strongest region in almost every one of those games. Strive is no exception, it's just harder to see it unless you are paying attention to what is actually happening in the match. My opinion coming into AWT was that Mocchi and Ty were the best players there. I didn't need them to get first and second place to tell me this since I've been watching them play (as well as the other regions) for a while now. That being said, just because Ty and Mocchi won, does not mean Sol, Gio and Chipp are the top tiers. I don't think this result necessarily determines that, but I do think Japan is probably right about Happy Chaos. Probably you have to be at a certain level to be able to deal with Happy Chaos effectively and if you're not at that level, he just seems ridiculously broken, an unwinnable matchup. On a sidenote, it would be nice if people stopped saying that Japan doesn't have strong Happy Chaos players or that they don't know what he can do.

[@TheLightningeater]

NA just has dog poo neutral, their tier list is based on how easy can I skip neutral

[@bt_11]

I feel like the points about play style are mostly relevant for Japan's Arc Revo finalists. It explains why their characters are better regarded, and why some others are worse regarded. But everyone in Japan doesn't play like them, and every character Japan likes doesn't have good whiff punishing/defensive options. Ultimately I think both regions are biased towards the most successful character choices, and a bit against less successful choices.

[@SQuirrel147]

Yeah I mean I forget if I edited this part out of the video but a point I want to make is no region is without their bias or flaws. That's kinda the whole point behind being more open minded and considering different views

[@frendweeb7089]

I really like your thoughts on whiff punishing in this video. It's a perspective I haven't really heard from before and it adds more insight into the differing perspectives

[@GILGAMESH-Nero]

I agree, it would be sick if they made Ram a well rounded character like Mu-12.

[@Maxler5795]

As a sol main, i got to floor 9 and in my next play session i feel to 6. I had my brain turned off all the time. So yeah id say hes good

[@canpakes8471]

arcrevo def opened my eyes a bit

[@Sahar_6455]

interesting video! i think top jp/na players valuing and exploring different characters make tournaments more fun to watch

[@AnthonyTheManiac]

Awesome videos lately

[@zechariahcaraballo8765]

crazy how in practically every game America is always the most aggressive region, like in tekken, valorant, and smash (I dont follow other games competitively all that often so I wont speak for them) and I feel like its always too much aggression and is consistently good at the start but other regions get better at punishing our reckless aggression

[@bignoob2726]

I've always wondered how ppl feel safe using characters with low health and bad defense in ruthless 2D games.

[@LankyJ777]

FOR THE ALGORITHM! Also, great video. This was an interesting examination of the two regions

[@elijahoneill5228]

Great vid

[@joeyjoestar472]

This literally happens every fucking time. A new game comes out the west is very confident this is the game they dominate in and they get blown the fuck out by Japan. Same story new game. Can't wait till SF6 comes out and the "NA is the best region" starts happening again.

[@SQuirrel147]

I don't know about "blown out". All the players at AWT are pretty equally skilled and they played plenty of casuals with each other too. That's not really the point anyway

[@MotorcycleYeti]

JP Player 🤝 NA Players ..Potemkin is bottom tier..

[@jpVari]

I know people didn't look at the screen because I saw folks insulting Umisho over 'losing to jp' when she didn't fight any japanese players. they just gotta shit out of their mouths. this is a great video!

[@boringinu2077]

tbh asia rank ram high tier day 1, she is good which is true, but compair to other top tier , she is not that hard to deal, after fd to far slash range just a guess game for both player. if opponent jump ram jp , if opponent dash ram 5k, if opponent 6p ram just block , the point is people from asia thinking in ram match up rhythm is control by opponent , ram just react it SINCE DAY 1

[@Jack_Horner_is_a_hero]

All I'm gonna say is Mocchi has been playing Sol Badguy for like 15 years. Just saying

[@nirvana1986]

Pretty good video :)

[@MichaelJohnson-vu3bt]

I think you hit the nail on the head. It's a complicated topic but in general, most NA players in almost ever game just want to run people over the easiest way they can. Even at a high level, a lot of players in every game is trying to skip or simplify neutral to run there offense as fast as possible. That's way most people switch to HC in strive and honestly, that's way a lot of people play Luke in sfv

[@nathanhower4017]

Is North America disincentivized to whiff punish because of online play? We're more spread out geographically, and our latency is higher. Maybe that makes it more likely in online play that you'll be counter hit while attempting to whiff punish.

[@SQuirrel147]

That could be a contributing factor though likely not the only one

[@r1sing766]

where do you find all the japanese tier list that you've seen?

[@fuu6490]

Japan: sol, ky & chipp was top tier NA, WEU & other: ram, HC & may was top tier

[@LeFisheboi]

While I agree with pretty much everything in this video I still disagree with HC being B tier, they just have 0 Chaos players and Umisho in some divine comedy went out before going against any Japanese players

[@daggercatz7297]

When watching revo I hoped so bad that umisho just rolled JP so they realise how cancer hc can be even tho I hoped that Mocchi or TY would win. I guess I got half of what I wanted haha

[@heracrossz7701]

​@@daggercatz7297 wouldn't Japan just think that umisho is just good then.

[@Time2GoHam1995]

UMISHO did play them in casuals though from my understanding. They went relatively even.

[@SQuirrel147]

Wasn't really my point to say HC or any character is or isn't good. Just saying that considering different perspectives is good and both regions are probably right and wrong about different things. Also worth noting all the AWT players played plenty of casuals so it's not like they didn't fight Umisho (and afaik the Japanese players there think HC is strong anyway)

[@Emillll]

I don't know how many times I'm going to see this nonsense being posted about Japan having no Happy Chaos players. They have a number of really strong ones, including N-Otoko who has been playing guilty gear for 20 years. He also plays often with Mocchi so this idea that Umisho was going to show Japan what Happy Chaos is all about is just wrong. It's just one of the many mistakes NA keeps making with underestimating Japan.

[@khhnator]

wut? Ram's f.S is punishable?!?!?1 BUT IS THE BEST BUTTON IN THE GAME!!!!

[@sKinCollector]

Ram sux

[@nkirmath8621]

I would like to say that Japanese players seem to have a better growth mindset towards the game.

[@SQuirrel147]

This may be true but without speaking Japanese and knowing what they discuss we can't really be sure lol. But it seems likely

[@AnimeRoyal_25]

Ram and Bridget are bottom 3 fr fr

[@aLilyinbloom]

very good video

[@sola7099]

i think its at the point where cuz chars are so strong that there's a lot of room for discussion in general on chars

[@CodeTetsu]

Guys, is there a region that Faust is good in? 😭

[@SQuirrel147]

You might need to go to a different planet for that 😅

[@chinsum9278]

Is EMEA more to the NA style of forcing rps?

[@SQuirrel147]

Honestly have not watched EMEA players enough to really say. The ones I have tend to be more varied but I can't really say. My bad 😅

[@Memokarp]

Mocchi is pog

[@blet5892]

Regions seem to disagree on who the best characters, but interestingly enough they usually agree on who the bad characters are to a higher degree Both Japan, EU and NA seem to usually put some variation of pot / sin / millia / anji / faust as the bottom five with small variations across the regions and some outliers of course - but the overlap and opinion for what's considered "bad" seems higher, especialy if you consider multiple patches and not just the current one. Maybe that's a good analytical lens to look through to figure out what's strong across the regions.

[@ronmexico7256]

Japan thinks Anji is good, and there’s wild variation on where people place Faust within each region

[@SQuirrel147]

Japan thinks highly of Anji actually. The rest is mostly true though yeah and an interesting point to make

[@rafichu]

Japan > Land of the free

[@Forenski]

SQ PLEASE DONT DROP RAM EVEN IF SHE IS BOTTOM 1 I KNOW ITS HARD

[@wesleyparriott6733]

gaming

[@Sabba3873]

Ram is barely A tier after Japan showed us the light. NA literally can't dash block to save their lives

[@finalfantasykain]

Content creation

[@redditto4451]

ram baiken sucks but neither region will know that

[@eastcoasttone3952]

This video doesn't have enough Gex 0/10

[@jkchannel3149]

One thing I will agree, the online scene is generally more buzzing in the West than in Japan, and react and preemptive styles aren’t suitable in that scene. So I believe that is a big factor for the foreigner’s tier list

[@cardoggs7861]

real bestie !!!

[@ronmexico7256]

❤

[@Smiffy008]

I can't trust opinions by CARRIED Ram players!!

[@sKinCollector]

I played like 60 games against a ramlethal player and realized that ram kinda sucks. She has very few “Guilty Gear” aspects to her kit. I actually feel like I’m more playing street fighter than Guilty gear against ram because her most degenerate tactic is only available when she has access to a resource. All of her specials have benefits, but…. like…. Not really lol. Her 214k is alright I guess, I can get you from point a to b. But most of the time against a savvy player they can just 6p it. Or just block and mash a 4 frame button and win despite her being +2. Only way she can keep her turn is with motorboat. And if you block her rekka you can just throw it. Like what lol. Her sword pressure is solid, but I’d just block when she has you in the corner the worst she can do is throw you. In my honest opinion, you should be able to negative edge sword explosion (and it should guard crush) the better players just ibfd her since the timing is always the same pretty much, what can you do. Even the worse players like me just hold back, now she’s +3 and 20 feet away from me. I feel bad for Ramlethal players. Also, sword throw sucks because, like before, she has no way to open you up. So if for whatever she throws sword AND you’re cornered, you can just hold back until she uses rekka and you can just ib and punish. Even if you don’t ib rekka 2 is like -10 and dp is a guaranteed punish. Is arcsys serious? I’m just saying, most of her normals don’t convert to anything, her oki is like whatever cuz she’s not scary. She has a crumb of plus frame. Her only kill you buttons are like 5h/6h/2h and if you whiff that then idk. Buff ram. We need a stronger burger character.

[@asome626]

I played like 60 games against a ramlethal player and realized that ram kinda sucks. She has very few “Guilty Gear” aspects to her kit. I actually feel like I’m more playing street fighter than Guilty gear against ram because her most degenerate tactic is only available when she has access to a resource. All of her specials have benefits, but…. like…. Not really lol. Her 214k is alright I guess, I can get you from point a to b. But most of the time against a savvy player they can just 6p it. Or just block and mash a 4 frame button and win despite her being +2. Only way she can keep her turn is with motorboat. And if you block her rekka you can just throw it. Like what lol. Her sword pressure is solid, but I’d just block when she has you in the corner the worst she can do is throw you. In my honest opinion, you should be able to negative edge sword explosion (and it should guard crush) the better players just ibfd her since the timing is always the same pretty much, what can you do. Even the worse players like me just hold back, now she’s +3 and 20 feet away from me. I feel bad for Ramlethal players. Also, sword throw sucks because, like before, she has no way to open you up. So if for whatever she throws sword AND you’re cornered, you can just hold back until she uses rekka and you can just ib and punish. Even if you don’t ib rekka 2 is like -10 and dp is a guaranteed punish. Is arcsys serious? I’m just saying, most of her normals don’t convert to anything, her oki is like whatever cuz she’s not scary. She has a crumb of plus frame. Her only kill you buttons are like 5h/6h/2h and if you whiff that then idk. Buff ram. We need a stronger burger character.

[@CodeTetsu]

Good Sir or Ma’am have you taken your medication today?

[@sKinCollector]

@@CodeTetsu mhm, u know I’m spitin. She sux fr fr 🙏

[@SXArchives]

Ram is bottom 3, Nago and Bridget players are carried, and Tempest is officially the best player to touch Ram. Don't @ me

[@Sonlokill]

game is too easy

[@14megasxlr]

Yep yep. NA is eating those humble pies right about now.

[@mikeypatts7541]

If you block me you're not saving yourself from me, you're just denying the truth because you don't accept it so let me tell you this, you'll inevitably come to terms with the truth anyway, I'm just making sure it happens earlier because ignorance isn't bliss contrary to popular belief. Good day

[@gwen9939]

Man, why are all y'all clowns always talking about "THE TRUTH"? I guess if you lack the tools to present evidence or form real arguments, the only way you can pretend to be right about stuff is by going "my source is trust me, bro". This is the "my girlfriend goes to another school" of trying to make a point.