Was Jesus Against the Sabbath? - Rabbi Tovia Singer

[@stevenxiaofenghuang]

Brilliant analysis. My mind is blown! My mind is blown!!

[@LoreneRaeWard]

I ❤ listening and learning from you! I am so blessed to have you in my life! Todah Rabah Rabbi Tovia Singer for all you do!

[@matpieterse3287]

Love ❤your work Rabbi.

[@Hatikva345]

Thanks!

[@DevonPhoenix]

This video makes some very good points

[@mohamedsabrani2958]

Bravo Rabbi Tovia!

[@bb1111116]

This video by Rabbi Singer summarizes my core beliefs about the Jesus story. The writer of Mark is the earliest Gospel. About half of this Gospel uses earlier stories about a man named Jesus (in English). Then the other half of the Gospel has the writer of Mark put in commentary which comes from Paul. Even in Mark the new religion from Paul is beginning to dominate. In addition, with Matthew’s and Luke’s Gospels, Paul’s influence, (as well as from Greek/Roman paganism), increases. By the last Gospel, attributed to John, the dominance of Paul and Greek/Roman paganism is complete.

[@samfromisrael]

_Xtianity simply put:_ *It's actually a Greco-Roman production. It's not even written in Hebrew. They took a book, that doesn't belong to them, and built their own religion on top of it...*

[@Crazylegoman3791]

Oh my god! I couldn’t have said that better myself! I’ve been trying to tell people this for the longest time and they just deny what I have to say!

[@antwonpowell7765]

@@samfromisrael after reading the Old Testament and the New Testament I thought the same thing. It’s clear, these two books don’t belong together.

[@fasted8468]

The term "Judeo-Christian" is an insult to the Messiah. Are Israelites Judean?

[@jeffstewart1668]

That's not entirely true

[@DrD2You]

@@jeffstewart1668 If you refer to Sam's comment that began this thread, it isn't entirely true because some of the nt was stolen from Tanach, but even the parts stolen from Tanach are almost always misquoted or deliberately mistranslated.

[@russrussel3947]

Thank you Rabbi Singer, for answering the question that Fake Rabbis (Pastors) always SCOLDED me for asking: "Why is 'HEBREWS' in the New Testament ? AND WHO WROTE IT ?"

[@antwonpowell7765]

Yechezkel 22:26 Her priests robbed My Torah and profaned My holy things; they did not distinguish between holy and profane, neither did they let them know [the difference] between unclean and clean, and they hid their eyes from My Sabbaths, and I was profaned in their midst. This passage opened my eyes to the truth about Christianity. He warned us.

[@samfromisrael]

@@aleksandrpeshkov6172 *Creating Christ" (which is both a book and a film documentary) argues that Christianity was essentially invented by the Flavian Dynasty of Roman Emperors circa 60-80AD as a means of pacifying insurrectionist Jews and convincing them to accept Roman rule. It makes a lot of sense and they have what seems to be some compelling evidence. It also explains the ridiculous and frequent defenses of the Roman empire, instructions to pay taxes, etc. that stick out like a sore thumb in the Gospels. The Nicene Council in 325 CE was clearly a significant step toward the establishment of the modern church, but I don't think it was the starting point of the scam. It seems people were knowingly lying long before then. Fascinating that the Roman empire itself may have been behind the creation of Christianity (obviously this is the opposite of the "persecution" narrative that was popularized for millenia).*

[@DrD2You]

Quite. I wish that I had never heard of Jesus. He was just awful.

[@Ziviyah]

​@@DrD2YouTrue, but without Xtianity doing missionaries and spreading their books which contained the Tanakh, we would have barely any knowledge of Abrahamic religions. But them making a man as G-D is just the highest level of profanity towards G-d. Two edge sword.

[@DrD2You]

@@Ziviyah Agreed. My Rabbi teaches that G'd allowed the Diapora so that Jewish people could bring the light of Torah to the world. G'd is always in charge. Baruch Hashem!

[@stinkeye460]

@@Ziviyah Judaism and Christianity have nothing in common. We don't even worship the same G-d.

[@jon4574]

Are the Let's Get Biblical Books coming to Kindle?

[@realislam3838]

Thank you Rabbai Tovia...Very good job!! God of Ibraham, Ishmael, Issac and Israel bless you!!

[@samfromisrael]

*Creating Christ" (which is both a book and a film documentary) argues that Christianity was essentially invented by the Flavian Dynasty of Roman Emperors circa 60-80AD as a means of pacifying insurrectionist Jews and convincing them to accept Roman rule. It makes a lot of sense and they have what seems to be some compelling evidence. It also explains the ridiculous and frequent defenses of the Roman empire, instructions to pay taxes, etc. that stick out like a sore thumb in the Gospels. The Nicene Council in 325 CE was clearly a significant step toward the establishment of the modern church, but I don't think it was the starting point of the scam. It seems people were knowingly lying long before then. Fascinating that the Roman empire itself may have been behind the creation of Christianity (obviously this is the opposite of the "persecution" narrative that was popularized for millenia).*

[@thevillageyid]

Haven't heard that but it makes sense. The NT is so antagonistic towards the Jews and seems to elevate the Romans.

[@cheryldeboissiere1851]

I don’t think so. Flavians were busy killing each other. Now if you’re talking Constantine, there’s plenty of evidence.

[@samfromisrael]

*_The earliest depictions of JeZeus are as a Greek philosopher or a Greek idol._* *_GayZeus was a cunning product of the Romans in the wars we fought against them._*

[@samfromisrael]

@@aleksandrpeshkov6172 *Creating Christ" (which is both a book and a film documentary) argues that Christianity was essentially invented by the Flavian Dynasty of Roman Emperors circa 60-80AD as a means of pacifying insurrectionist Jews and convincing them to accept Roman rule. It makes a lot of sense and they have what seems to be some compelling evidence. It also explains the ridiculous and frequent defenses of the Roman empire, instructions to pay taxes, etc. that stick out like a sore thumb in the Gospels. The Nicene Council in 325 CE was clearly a significant step toward the establishment of the modern church, but I don't think it was the starting point of the scam. It seems people were knowingly lying long before then. Fascinating that the Roman empire itself may have been behind the creation of Christianity (obviously this is the opposite of the "persecution" narrative that was popularized for millenia).*

[@samfromisrael]

*CREATING CHRIST*

[@cheryldeboissiere1851]

Shouldn’t talk about yourself that way. We already know...

[@janishart5128]

@@cheryldeboissiere1851: HUH???!!

[@samfromisrael]

Perverting our Bible is not a minor offense *PREPARE TO FACE THE CONSEQUENCES*

[@samfromisrael]

*_If you wanted the Jews to be separated from the gentiles until the End of Days you would tell them this ghastly morbid story of the jeezer._* *GOD WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT*

[@oogway73]

Is it God or the lineage of papal bloodlines who works mysteriously? 🧐

[@GodlessJudaism]

The term "the written Torah" in a general sense refers to the whole body of the twenty-four Books of the Hebrew Bible. Its essence, however, is the Pentateuch, for it alone contains all of the Divine precepts, and nothing may be added and nothing may be subtracted from it. Even genuine prophets cannot alter anything in the Pentateuch. Indeed, all later prophets or prophecies are verified by their complete conformity to the Pentateuch. It is the ultimate criterion: the falsehood of a prophet or prophecy is established by even the slightest divergence from the original words of the Pentateuch.

[@judgedayan9934]

I interpreted the words, "Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath" very simply. First and foremost, son of man, does NOT mean Jesus, it means all humans; it is a direct translation of the Hebrew term, ben adom. Human life is superior to observing the sabbath. This is straight Jewish Law, if life is endangered, we violate the sabbath. As Rabbi Singer noted, Jesus gave a reasonable answer as to why he violated the sabbath; he was deathly hungry like King David. Therefore it is idiocy to understand, "Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath", to mean Jesus eliminated sabbath observance.

[@rekhavirik6343]

Good analysis. I learnt something. Thank you Rabbi. ❤

[@j.lsantos9106]

Steel manning this Thank you Rabbi Tovia Singer B'H LET'S GET BIBLICAL

[@samfromisrael]

*CAESAR'S MESSIAH*

[@DrD2You]

May I hire you to promote my book? You are tireless in your efforts! ♥

[@russrussel3947]

Billy Graham's son spoke at his father's ceremony this year to install a bust of B. Graham in Washington. His son verbatim said "My father never really understood the Bible, but he spent his whole life LIVING it". ( And people clapped) This is the problem. Charismatic "Holy Spirit" Evangelicals waste their WHOLE lives on the "Great Commission" and have to "pray for understanding" of the KJV and NIV because they DISPARAGE the Hebrew Bible and go on their obsessive, narcissistic "Great Jesus Angel Hunt" in it. TRAGEDY.

[@andyburns8551]

Rabbi to my memory Yeshua said he did not come do away with the Toran far from. It was man made TAKANOTS and MAHASEEMS ( sorry about the spelling) that invalidate Torah that he come to do away with and the Scribes and Pharisees didn`t like it. Shalom I'll prey for Israel tonight.

[@gershonperry5952]

Dear Rabbi Singer, can you please comment on the Sabbath and the seventh day adventists. There are many of them in my area of TN.

[@abcd-jk7mx]

שלום הרב טוביה❤ אני יהודי מישראל ועשיתי תשובה בזכותך.❤ רציתי לשאול איזה עוד נבואות צריכות להתגשם לפני ביאת המשיח?

[@samfromisrael]

@@aleksandrpeshkov6172 *Creating Christ" (which is both a book and a film documentary) argues that Christianity was essentially invented by the Flavian Dynasty of Roman Emperors circa 60-80AD as a means of pacifying insurrectionist Jews and convincing them to accept Roman rule. It makes a lot of sense and they have what seems to be some compelling evidence. It also explains the ridiculous and frequent defenses of the Roman empire, instructions to pay taxes, etc. that stick out like a sore thumb in the Gospels. The Nicene Council in 325 CE was clearly a significant step toward the establishment of the modern church, but I don't think it was the starting point of the scam. It seems people were knowingly lying long before then. Fascinating that the Roman empire itself may have been behind the creation of Christianity (obviously this is the opposite of the "persecution" narrative that was popularized for millenia).*

[@Ziviyah]

abcd-jk7mx best to talk to your Rabbi, a Chabad one.

[@FrankandEarnest-v7l]

Rabbi Singer, as I have stated before, I am a non-believer, BUT I am at the same time a curious soul and as such I was wondering if you could elaborate on the 3 cardinal sins, the one you mention at around 5:40 is self explanatory, but for the other two I would like some clarity (I did look the other 2 up) but I lack the information for full clarity on those two. I have only been following you for about two months, so if you have already done a piece on this subject maybe you could refer me to that video or if anyone that reads my post they could refer me to a source. Thank You, Shalom.

[@gward117]

Mark is the only witness letter to show Jesus saying Deut 6:4-9 is the most important scripture when asked. Matthew and Luke support it but leave out the "HEAR....One.", which is the focal point.

[@JerryArafatso-zy3gz]

Mark Twain aka Samuel Clemons had a Jewish son in law named Ossip Gabrilowitsch.

[@rightousliving]

Is picking single grains really work? It's not like harvesting. More like going to the fridge which also requires opening the fridge door and closing it again. And what I know from orthodox Jews, this is not forbidden as long as the light stays switched off. For that reason I do think that some of the rules concerning Sabbath are exaggerated and it's this what Jesus was addressing. Sabbath is a day of rest, not of causing stress for silly things like picking grains or suffer quietly when one is hungry in a field full of grains. I agree with most of what Rabbi Tovia Singer is teaching, but some things do make me wonder.

[@bcamp4light241]

Christianity & you Rabbi are both under a veil. All has been fulfilled for Israel only. Lord YHWH is God & King & His anointed Lord Yeshua given the throne of David who was declared the Son of the Most High is faithful & righteous. ❤Teshuvah & drink ❤Rev 22:17

[@kennethbuckwalter3521]

Rabbi.....as the oldest Gospel .... what was the approximate date AD that Mark was written?

[@ToviaSinger1]

I used to believe the consensus of 70 ce. I'm changing my mind to 75-80 ce

[@MFPhoto1]

@@ToviaSinger1 All the gospels were written years after the "fact" by persons unknown who never witnessed the events they wrote about -- assuming, for the sake of argument, the events actually took place.

[@samfromisrael]

Roman Imperial propaganda.....CONCLUSIVELY UNDERSTOOD AS THAT

[@menelikjanhoy2053]

Rabbi according to Pew Research data in 2013 1.6 million adult Americans of Jewish background identity themselves as Christians. Do you think they deserve capital punishment for becoming Christian? I heard you saying there are 3 sins better to die which includes conversion to Christianity to be one of them . Will you please tell us the remaining 2 sins that are opted to die than to commit? Thank you in advance

[@DrD2You]

To be fair, one of the three is any form of idolatry, which is the worship of any created being or thing. That includes xtianity; however, it does not exclusively refer to xtianity. I have been told by my Converting Rabbi that the other two sins are m*rder and s*xual immorality. HTH.

[@menelikjanhoy2053]

@DrD2You thank you for your response

[@edwardpearce9668]

The Law is Obstinate.

[@Crowfeather-v5o]

You know more about Idolatry and the New Testament than the Popes or Billy Graham... You are ALMOST🎉😂❤😊 more popular than JOHN LENNON!😮

[@samfromisrael]

@@aleksandrpeshkov6172 *Creating Christ" (which is both a book and a film documentary) argues that Christianity was essentially invented by the Flavian Dynasty of Roman Emperors circa 60-80AD as a means of pacifying insurrectionist Jews and convincing them to accept Roman rule. It makes a lot of sense and they have what seems to be some compelling evidence. It also explains the ridiculous and frequent defenses of the Roman empire, instructions to pay taxes, etc. that stick out like a sore thumb in the Gospels. The Nicene Council in 325 CE was clearly a significant step toward the establishment of the modern church, but I don't think it was the starting point of the scam. It seems people were knowingly lying long before then. Fascinating that the Roman empire itself may have been behind the creation of Christianity (obviously this is the opposite of the "persecution" narrative that was popularized for millenia).*

[@edwardpearce9668]

it is probably taken out of context if it occurred. Did they walk through the wheat field eating of the grain and damaging the plants/crop. Then the farmer may go to the village authority and seek for his assistance to stop them or berated them. If an animal does enough damage a monetary fine is applied to the animals owner. So. becoming of the Christ is it worthwhile considering he was irrelevant. The day they did it may have been just another case of insubordination on top of the other transgressions which added to the case. Behold why do they do on the Sabbaths [plural] that which is not lawful [any time]? The Son of Man and the Son of God are two different conditions. He is lecturing them on their framing of him in the Senate. And he said to them The Sabbath on account of the man was made and not the man on account of the Sabbath. David is a mere mortal, on account of his defiance he had to blaspheme and break oath. A bitter and twisted sovereign who walked to his demise. [all he could think of on his deathbed was a morsel of vengeance considered obliging]

[@JoseRack-yb5os]

And i too dont get the point of jezeus as the lord of the sabbath, what a mistake that was, even getting the wrong high priest…this is too bad for twistianity.

[@r.a.i.n.1144]

Jesus himself was keeping Sabbath BECAUSE he teached his people when the Old Covenant of Moses still was active. The Old Covenant of Moses ENDED and the New Covenant started the moment when Jesus died on the cross and resurrected after 3 days ON THE EIGHT DAY WHICH IS "SUNDAY" and also also symbolic for the previous Circumcition ON THE EIGHT DAY! A NEW Covenant! A NEW Law! A NEW Time - starting on the EIGHT DAY "SUNDAY", the FIRST DAY of the FIRST WEEK in the NEW Covenant.

[@MikeHoughtonasUnit8720]

presumming he existed as the Christian bible says he did. If one part of what you say is a lie the then everything you say is a lie or at best can not be taken as absolute truth

[@gward117]

Is Sabbath worship or honoring the Sabbath a Noahide Law? I believe Jesus is teaching his disciples the Noahide Laws because he possibly knew his life was short and it was easiest to give quick ways to memorize laws. I believe he was teaching Oneness not Trinity. He squezzed the Amidah into the Lord's Prayer. He say the Shma was the most important verse and microwaved it into 2 sentences. He taught to pray to the Father.

[@samfromisrael]

*_HAVE WE BEEN UNBURDENED BY WHAT HAS BEEN? 🤣🤣😁😁🤔🙄_*

[@DrD2You]

Baruch Hashem! We have, indeed, been unburdened by what has been.

[@MitzvosGolem1]

Mark 16:9-20 is not in original koine Greek new testament a later insertion also.

[@DrD2You]

Yes, I have read that from a scholar whom I consider to be reliable.

[@MitzvosGolem1]

@DrD2You 1 John 5:7-8 John 7:53 John 8:11 Mathew 17:21 Just a few in their own new testament not found in original koine Greek new testament. Hundreds of additions modifications made by church fathers to both the new testament and Hebrew scripture. Verify

[@NailTouze-l2k]

​​@@MitzvosGolem1so according to you the Church father invented the 5 Books of Moses and the prophets in the Old testament.? It states: The Old Testament. The first five texts in the Bible; Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy are not written by Moses as the Church usually claims. Unknown Jewish priests wrote these five books between 900 and 100 BC. Their final editing was first done around 200 AD. The Psalms of David are not written by him, but were actually written much later .

[@MitzvosGolem1]

@NailTouze-l2k So if Torah Tanakh Hebrew scripture is fake then all Christianianity Islam and Judaism collapse.. We don't need new testament or Quran. But Christianianity and Islam relies on Hebrew scripture sources to be legitimate...

[@TheMessiah666]

What if the serpent/jesus is symbolic of a being unwelcome in paradise that poisons the fruits of gods labour and seeds of goodness so man kind accepts evil lies and thus is rejecting god and all good? Is eating the dust of earth meant to say Jesus does not deserve to enjoy and thrive off creation?

[@samfromisrael]

The Demigod GAYZEUS son of ZEUS found in the the Synoptic Gospels is a literary character invented by the Romans to promote the recent arrival of the Flavian dynasty to imperial power, creating an archetype of messiah towards which all preexisting Jewish prophecies converged. The aim was (1) to empty Jewish concepts, hijacking the messianic hope and solidifying a controversial archetype of Jewish messiah, (2) to blame the Jews for their own destruction in the war of Jerusalem in 70 and (3) to exalt the Flavian dynasty of emperors. The content of the message propagated by the characters in the narrative portrays an agenda of political accommodation, preservation of the imperial “status quo”, anti-Judaism and military indoctrination: both for Roman soldiers and for colonized civilians. Soldiers are often the recipients of the teachings of the Gospels, which occur both explicitly (as in Luke 3:14, when John the Baptist recommends that soldiers be content with their pay, just as Rome advised those recruited for military service) and implicitly (as in Luke 9:23, when the instruction is given to abandon everything - family, friends, work - and follow the leader, just as the government wanted the soldiers to do). There is also abundant teaching reinforcing the civil obligation to serve soldiers, including obeying them for twice the amount required (Matthew 5:41). The character Jesus always presents himself as the reformer of the Law of Moses (Matthew 5:38, correcting Exodus 21:24 on the principle of “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth”) and the propagator of various Roman laws (as in Mark 10:12 on marriage and in Matthew 22:21 recommending the payment of taxes). Jesus never taught his disciples to love Jews or their relatives, but he did teach them to love Romans (Matt. 5:44) and to turn the other cheek (Matt. 5:39). The Flavian Theory, therefore, not only presents a coherent argument for the literary origins of Jesus, but also highlights the Romans' ability to use religion as a tool of sociopolitical control. *_Some of the most enigmatic passages found in the gospels are more easily understood when seen through the eyes of a general speaking to his legions._* *_I had a bland deplorable insufferable two-faced Greek woman admit to all of it proudly in these comment boards a while ago, very sickening._* 🤮🤮🤮

[@조안숙-h6x]

I suspect your last paragraph is pure fiction

[@matpieterse3287]

Did jesus fulfill any prophecies? 1. The idol worshipped by papacy. Globally influenced. 2. The Daniel Statue prophecy. 3. The different part not at peace nor agreement with each other and the most evil and bloody history of all religions. 4. Amongst other religions(all other religions except Noahide and Jewish) part of spiritual babalon. 5. Especially if/and/or/when the "legion in pigs" story in the new testament. 6. People losing themselves phycoligically, "giving themselves over to" an idol called jesus. 7. jesus ensured the war between woman vs (and everyone)+snake 🐍 continued. 8. The loss of cultures of many people, numbed to more extreme pagan activities but too numbed to relate to God.(Especially losing themselves to an idol!) Blessed be The God of Jewish Faith Hashem ✡️.

[@tyronejames4187]

I see Jesus's response in Mark 2 in some ways similiar, but in other ways differently. I think Jesus used David example as an example that the Pharisees would understand, so your argument about the Oral Torah makes sense. However, I think He was trying to teach them how Pharisees should approach teaching others how to keep the Sabbath. They should approach it as God giving us the Sabbath as a gift to us to rest for our labor and pay respect to Him. If they did so, they wouldn't have been so quick to chastise Jesus and considered that He could be poor or destitute, or something else. Hence, Him saying that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. And why Jesus quoted Hosea in that God desires mercy and not sacrifice in another telling of the story in Matthew 12.

[@tabirkebenaran2065]

Why my comment has gone?😂

[@MaryWolfe-jv7nb]

YesHuah and his disciples had been walking for hours, had become faint from hunger, and so walking through a wheat field, had removed the husk from the heads, and swallowed the flour..The symbolic meaning with reference to King David and the Shew bread is, the field represents the hungry people seeking the spirit of God, the husk is the covering as the curtain in the holy of holies, YesHuah came to reveal the Torah to the GENTILES, he draws reference to David taking the bread, as a parallel meaning for delivering the Torah to the unbelieving spiritually starving non Jews..Is it not speech that must first be conquered in sifting every throught and word that we are one with the law? YesHuah is the law, Adam reborn, the reflection of the father, but not the father, the Shekinah living in the temple of the soul. YesHuah DID NOT CHANGE THE SABBATH TIME.

[@danblackwelder5261]

No, Yeshua was not against the Sabbath. He kept the Sabbath.

[@Matthew_Scan]

Matthew 5;17

[@tubalcain1039]

No, it was his habit to go to the Synagogue on the Sabbath day.

[@miYAH-w1q]

😂🤣😭

[@kunjimoncm1501]

Jesus cannot to be against sabat. He was just playing between God and people

[@Maria-tq8ck]

Matthew 5:17-19 NIV The Fulfillment of the Law 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

[@janishart5128]

FYI, the "Jesus" character himself, taught his followers to ignore what God had said to us at Mt. Sinai! He told them it was OK to pick grain on the Sabbath, he told them to "hate" their parents, and anyone else who didn't do as he preached, and he threw the money-changers out of the Temple, who had EVERY right to be there to help people with their Temple donations and purchases - there's more, but those 3 things a bad enough!

[@miYAH-w1q]

Go be a good parent to 'your' kids, maybe than you will understand something.

[@vpaizen4824]

Apparently jesus saying he is the lord of the sabbath means he is god….

[@goldengun9970]

No. It just means he is claimed to have said that. Just like if I said that about myself it wouldn't make me G-d either.

[@Stracciways23]

wel Roman reich came in whitout them he was a rabbi but yeah roman dont understand or belief in god they think there one the roman pastors made by romans before they were rabbis but forcing lust and otherthings came also in like the cross made by who you think yeah intrigged if roman names all over the bible did jesus wear cross worship on stateus pictures there it is the jews were corrupted by the golden cow ask moses

[@andyburns8551]

Rabbi do you not think what comes from a persons heart like hate murder adultery theft envy and much more defiles a person much more than a bacon sandwhich. Shalom.

[@ronmey7500]

Indeed, Christ was a Sabbath keeper. So were the early Christians. Many Christians still keep the Sabbath today. He is the Lord of the Sabbath, not Sunday.

[@MFPhoto1]

He kept the Sabbath by collecting grain?

[@ronmey7500]

@@MFPhoto1 He didn't collect grain. That's not what the text says.

[@ademarbezerra6051]

How then did I pray in the name of Jesus and be healed?

[@MFPhoto1]

How then did I not pray in the name of Jesus and be healed?

[@gmedeiros5748]

These laws and observances may have been used as storylines by early converts of Judaism into Messianic Judaism .The reformers desired to spread the good news while retaining formal study of Torah but they are inferior to the true essence of Jesus as as Messiah . The gnostics and various mystery schools each developed ideas of past beliefs and ritual and incorporated it into the storyline of Jesus . These are still inferior telling of Jesus as Messiah . The truth is that no ritual or observances of the ancients to modern institutions require such laws and ritual or outward show in ceremony or prayer. The fault is in the fear of losing identity as also retaining customs and practices as accepting Jesus as Messiah is to let go and be one with Messiah . There is no church nor purple robes , no secret shrine nor holy grail , no crown , no scepter , no breastplate As all is vanity . The Messiah does not differentiate or favor one above the other in Belief or faith , no such harlot centered amidst pretenders to divine intervention in miraculous feasts of wedding ceremony . All that is required is accepting Jesus as Messiah into the pith and marrow of being , every nerve and vessel and every sinew , every neuron igniting in the mind . To be consumed and consume Jesus as Messiah To all churches and high Towers . To be engulfed in Holy fire and cleansed of creations Sin . There is no mind that can do so unless it is the mind of Messiah as none can pass the flaming swords that guard the tree of life other than Jesus Messiah

[@ademarbezerra6051]

Como então eu orei "em nome de Jesus" e fui curado da depressão?

[@janishart5128]

The mind is a strange thing, that is not yet fully understood. Sometimes if you want something badly enough, the body will comply. When my daughters were young and they complained of 'not feeling well', I would say to them that women in OUR (my husband's surname) family, don't get sick (without having prayed for them, as an Evangelical Christian!)! They would soon feel better, and that was that! Meanwhile, my husband's brother's kids were always sick!! So, I don't know - the power of positive thinking maybe?! It was definitely NOT the "Jesus" character who healed you, since God specifically said that there is NO OTHER savior, and that we are to pray ONLY to Him (plus, the "Jesus" character actually had no such 'powers'.

[@acm6620]

Nazareth- Netzer AND THERE shall come forth a Shoot out of the stock of Jesse [David“s father], and a Branch out of his roots shall grow and bear fruit (Isaiah 11:1) Jesus. This was the name to be given to Him. A Nazarene, born in Bethlehem. And the Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon Him--the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the reverential and obedient fear of the Lord-- And shall make Him of quick understanding, and His delight shall be in the reverential and obedient fear of the Lord. And He shall not judge by the sight of His eyes, neither decide by the hearing of His ears; But with righteousness and justice shall He judge the poor and decide with fairness for the meek, the poor, and the downtrodden of the earth; and He shall smite the earth and the oppressor with the rod of His mouth, and with the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked. And righteousness shall be the girdle of His waist and faithfulness the girdle of His loins (Isaiah 11:2-11:5) But you, Bethlehem Ephratah, you are little to be among the clans of Judah; [yet] out of you shall One come forth for Me Who is to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth have been from of old, from ancient days (eternity). Therefore shall He give them up until the time that she who travails has brought forth; then what is left of His brethren shall return to the children of Israel. And He shall stand and feed His flock in the strength of the Lord, in the majesty of the name of the Lord His God; and they shall dwell [secure], for then shall He be great [even] to the ends of the earth. (Micah 5:2-4)

[@MFPhoto1]

If Jesus is the son of G-D, then he cannot be from the Davidic line. Hashem is not a descendent of David's. Isaiah 11 does not talk about Jesus.

[@acm6620]

@@MFPhoto1 It’s interesting what you say even from a believer’s point of view. I’m responding to the notion of lineage as well as to messianic prophesy, understanding the physical and spiritual connection of the two. I will declare the decree of the Lord: He said to Me, You are My Son; this day [I declare] I have begotten You. Ask of Me, and I will give You the nations as Your inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth as Your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them in pieces like potters“ ware (Psalm 2:7 - 2:9) Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign: Behold, the young woman who is unmarried and a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel [God with us]. (Isaiah 7:14) Therefore, as sin came into the world through one man, and death as the result of sin, so death spread to all men, [ no one being able to stop it or to escape its power] because all men sinned. [To be sure] sin was in the world before ever the Law was given, but sin is not charged to men“s account where there is no law [to transgress]. Yet death held sway from Adam to Moses [the Lawgiver], even over those who did not themselves transgress [a positive command] as Adam did. Adam was a type (prefigure) of the One Who was to come [in reverse, the former destructive, the Latter saving (Romans 5:12 - 5:14) Behold, I was brought forth in [a state of] iniquity; my mother was sinful who conceived me [and I too am sinful (Psalm 51:5) Now the promises (covenants, agreements) were decreed and made to Abraham and his Seed (his Offspring, his Heir). He [God] does not say, And to seeds (descendants, heirs), as if referring to many persons, but, And to your Seed (your Descendant, your Heir), obviously referring to one individual, Who is [none other than] Christ (the Messiah). This is my argument: The Law, which began 430 years after the covenant [concerning the coming Messiah], does not and cannot annul the covenant previously established (ratified) by God, so as to abolish the promise and make it void. For if the inheritance [of the promise depends on observing] the Law [as these false teachers would like you to believe], it no longer [depends] on the promise; however, God gave it to Abraham [as a free gift solely] by virtue of His promise. What then was the purpose of the Law? It was added [later on, after the promise, to disclose and expose to men their guilt] because of transgressions and [to make men more conscious of the sinfulness] of sin; and it was intended to be in effect until the Seed (the Descendant, the Heir) should come, to and concerning Whom the promise had been made. And it [the Law] was arranged and ordained and appointed through the instrumentality of angels [and was given] by the hand (in the person) of a go-between [Moses, an intermediary person between God and man]. Now a go-between (intermediary) has to do with and implies more than one party [there can be no mediator with just one person]. Yet God is [only] one Person [and He was the sole party in giving that promise to Abraham. But the Law was a contract between two, God and Israel; its validity was dependent on both (Galatians 3:16 - 3:20) And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; He will bruise and tread your head underfoot, and you will lie in wait and bruise His heel (Genesis 3:15) (We know that Satan cannot reproduce, henceforth his offspring are his followers, likewise does HE (the messiah) have his followers through faith. It’s not a war of flesh on flesh but of the evil principalities of this world. We no longer have an accuser since Jesus came. We have a mediator to God, a holy of holies - Psalms 2.) Jesus answered, I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, unless a man is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot [ever] enter the kingdom of God. What is born of [from] the flesh is flesh [of the physical is physical]; and what is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not [do not be surprised, astonished] at My telling you, You must all be born anew (from above). The wind blows (breathes) where it wills; and though you hear its sound, yet you neither know where it comes from (John 3:5 - 3:8)

[@truthhitman7473]

Exodus was the first book written of the Torah.

[@DrD2You]

Do you have a source for this information, or is it your .02?

[@johantenhartog6399]

@DrD2You convince me, if you have???

[@DrD2You]

@@johantenhartog6399 I was asking for the commenter's source because I don't recall having read that before and wanted to know where he or she had learned it or if it was just her/his opinion.

[@johantenhartog6399]

@DrD2You ok, but still. can you convince me that exodus did take place???

[@MuhammadAliKhan-gi2rr]

Don't worship Jesus. But just look at his teaching. They are really good ❤

[@DrD2You]

Alas, most are not good at all, except for those teachings that were stolen from Tanach. You are correct, however, that people should not worship him.

[@GolfnMoreclips]

​@@DrD2You [The stone that the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone]

[@GolfnMoreclips]

What did Yeshua himself teach? (John 4:22,23)

[@mihaela15pante]

Just wondering how much do you know about Jesus teaching 🤔

[@MuhammadAliKhan-gi2rr]

@mihaela15pante sermon on the Mount was legendary

[@CLIFFWaweru-od4qx]

"RABBI" TELL US ABOUT ISAIAH 65;1-2 WHO ARE THE NATIONS THAT ARE BEING REFERRED HERE 🎉

[@DrD2You]

The Jewish people, collectively, is the nation referred to in Isaiah 65. Read the entire section, not just one or two verses, and all will become clear.

[@CLIFFWaweru-od4qx]

@DrD2You YAWHEH says here IAM Here IAM to a nation that did not call my name So which is this nation For me the nation is the Gentiles And this is why Paul wrote in Romans 10 and He has blessed the gentiles

[@yourbuddy6421]

Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: “Rabbi, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” Jesus replied “ ‘Love YHWH your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

[@samfromisrael]

@@aleksandrpeshkov6172 *Creating Christ" (which is both a book and a film documentary) argues that Christianity was essentially invented by the Flavian Dynasty of Roman Emperors circa 60-80AD as a means of pacifying insurrectionist Jews and convincing them to accept Roman rule. It makes a lot of sense and they have what seems to be some compelling evidence. It also explains the ridiculous and frequent defenses of the Roman empire, instructions to pay taxes, etc. that stick out like a sore thumb in the Gospels. The Nicene Council in 325 CE was clearly a significant step toward the establishment of the modern church, but I don't think it was the starting point of the scam. It seems people were knowingly lying long before then. Fascinating that the Roman empire itself may have been behind the creation of Christianity (obviously this is the opposite of the "persecution" narrative that was popularized for millenia).*

[@russrussel3947]

​@@yourbuddy6421 The Sadducees didn't believe in ressurection of the dead. "Jesus" would have been a Pharisee. Pharisees (Orthodox Rabbis) believe in ressurection of the dead. You just debunked the Non-Jewish NT yourself.

[@yourbuddy6421]

@@russrussel3947 *Quantum Christianity:* _The Forensic Investigator_ Now Thomas (also known as Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.” A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

[@yourbuddy6421]

@@russrussel3947 *Quantum Christianity:* _The Forensic Investigator_ Now Thomas (also known as Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.” A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

[@russrussel3947]

@yourbuddy6421 You failed to quote Revelation 3:9 as if I haven't heard that a zillion times. The passage that you quoted refers to PAUL the False Prophet and Rome The Last BEAST. During the First One Hundred Years of Christianity, Hellenized Jews were NOT TRINITARIANS.

[@peruvathoma]

If the day of circumcision falls on a Sabbath day then the circumcision overrides the Sabbath day. If Circumcision which symbolizes the promise of YHWH incarnating in male flesh overrides the Sabbath obligations, then Jesus Christ who is the promised Holy Seed himself, YHWH incarnate, is much more important than Sabbath and can override the Sabbath at will. When Jesus stated "Son of Man is the Lord of the Sabbath" He was only being honest. The true Sabbath is in eternity with the Lord. And the way to get there is Jesus himself. The Journey with the I AM is a journey into eternity.

[@mooshei8165]

Jesus was praying to Jesus?

[@samfromisrael]

The Demigod GAYZEUS son of ZEUS found in the the Synoptic Gospels is a literary character invented by the Romans to promote the recent arrival of the Flavian dynasty to imperial power, creating an archetype of messiah towards which all preexisting Jewish prophecies converged. The aim was (1) to empty Jewish concepts, hijacking the messianic hope and solidifying a controversial archetype of Jewish messiah, (2) to blame the Jews for their own destruction in the war of Jerusalem in 70 and (3) to exalt the Flavian dynasty of emperors. The content of the message propagated by the characters in the narrative portrays an agenda of political accommodation, preservation of the imperial “status quo”, anti-Judaism and military indoctrination: both for Roman soldiers and for colonized civilians. Soldiers are often the recipients of the teachings of the Gospels, which occur both explicitly (as in Luke 3:14, when John the Baptist recommends that soldiers be content with their pay, just as Rome advised those recruited for military service) and implicitly (as in Luke 9:23, when the instruction is given to abandon everything - family, friends, work - and follow the leader, just as the government wanted the soldiers to do). There is also abundant teaching reinforcing the civil obligation to serve soldiers, including obeying them for twice the amount required (Matthew 5:41). The character Jesus always presents himself as the reformer of the Law of Moses (Matthew 5:38, correcting Exodus 21:24 on the principle of “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth”) and the propagator of various Roman laws (as in Mark 10:12 on marriage and in Matthew 22:21 recommending the payment of taxes). Jesus never taught his disciples to love Jews or their relatives, but he did teach them to love Romans (Matt. 5:44) and to turn the other cheek (Matt. 5:39). The Flavian Theory, therefore, not only presents a coherent argument for the literary origins of Jesus, but also highlights the Romans' ability to use religion as a tool of sociopolitical control. *_Some of the most enigmatic passages found in the gospels are more easily understood when seen through the eyes of a general speaking to his legions._* *_I had a bland deplorable insufferable two-faced Greek woman admit to all of it proudly in these comment boards a while ago, very sickening._* 🤮🤮🤮

[@peruvathoma]

@@mooshei8165 Praying is a glimpse of eternity, literally being in communion with God. That's a glimpse of Sabbath and ultimately Sabbath itself. Jesus was in communion with the trinity the source of His 'untaught' wisdom and the font of His 'omnipotence' via which He worked miracles.

[@samfromisrael]

@@peruvathoma *Creating Christ" (which is both a book and a film documentary) argues that Christianity was essentially invented by the Flavian Dynasty of Roman Emperors circa 60-80AD as a means of pacifying insurrectionist Jews and convincing them to accept Roman rule. It makes a lot of sense and they have what seems to be some compelling evidence. It also explains the ridiculous and frequent defenses of the Roman empire, instructions to pay taxes, etc. that stick out like a sore thumb in the Gospels. The Nicene Council in 325 CE was clearly a significant step toward the establishment of the modern church, but I don't think it was the starting point of the scam. It seems people were knowingly lying long before then. Fascinating that the Roman empire itself may have been behind the creation of Christianity (obviously this is the opposite of the "persecution" narrative that was popularized for millenia).*

[@MorganeCamiret]

jesus is just a man. The Bible says "God is nt a man...". Look it up.

[@fasted8468]

"Call no one Rabbi." "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." Jesus is the ultimate time saver.

[@hrvatskinoahid1048]

The Sabbath was made for Jews. Gentiles are not allowed to keep it.

[@User-x5s3x]

WHAT the absolute HELL???!! Now the "Jesus" character is a "time saver"???!! THAT'S a new one!!!! 😮

[@MitzvosGolem1]

Except Jebus told Jews to work on Shabbat picking up grain . Then argued incorrectly with Rabbis claiming they said no one can heal a sick person on Shabbat. It is halakic law to heal a sick injured suffering person on Shabbat and Yom tov high holidays. All laws of overridden to save a life . Shulchan Aruch halakic law books. תודה רבה שלום

[@DrD2You]

Quite amusing!

[@fasted8468]

@@MitzvosGolem1 People from Galilee were not Judean. Read John 7:1

[@kenzo4Ever]

Shabbat is Sabt سبت "Rest" ("Pause" precisely) and not saturday. Regarding the rules of Shabat, they are not all for the good and interest of Jews since most of them are...punishement. Jews must then observe these rules as long as they remain Jews. Only following a Prophet (True one) could dispense them from these punishing rules according to the Misvots 9&10 clearly commanding to follow the Prophet

[@hrvatskinoahid1048]

Nobody is obligated to follow your false prophet.

[@kenzo4Ever]

@hrvatskinoahid1048 What proofs have you to say he is a false Prophet !?. Quran is full of Prophecies that came true during his life time and after as well. Plenty !

[@hrvatskinoahid1048]

@@kenzo4Ever He added the commandment to visit Mecca.

[@kenzo4Ever]

@@hrvatskinoahid1048 Torah allows Prophets to do that. Only Prophets can do that.

[@hrvatskinoahid1048]

@@kenzo4Ever Absolutely not. "Everything I command you that you shall be careful to do it. You shall neither add to it, nor subtract from it." (Deuteronomy 13:1)

[@whiterosesforthebrideofchrist]

The Lord of the Sabbath ? Not just in Mark but also Matthew and Luke. Matthew 12:1-8, Mark 2:23-28 and Luke 6:1-5. And it really does mean “The Sabbath is under My dominion as the Messiah.”

[@DrD2You]

These sections of the nt exemplify the character Jesus behaving sinfully.

[@stephenbailey9969]

The doctrine is that Jesus was the fulfillment of the Sabbath, that every day for the children of Adonai is now considered holy, and a rest from the pain of sin and death. As he said, "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest." But people are free to engage in traditional Sabbath as well.

[@samfromisrael]

The Demigod GAYZEUS son of ZEUS found in the the Synoptic Gospels is a literary character invented by the Romans to promote the recent arrival of the Flavian dynasty to imperial power, creating an archetype of messiah towards which all preexisting Jewish prophecies converged. The aim was (1) to empty Jewish concepts, hijacking the messianic hope and solidifying a controversial archetype of Jewish messiah, (2) to blame the Jews for their own destruction in the war of Jerusalem in 70 and (3) to exalt the Flavian dynasty of emperors. The content of the message propagated by the characters in the narrative portrays an agenda of political accommodation, preservation of the imperial “status quo”, anti-Judaism and military indoctrination: both for Roman soldiers and for colonized civilians. Soldiers are often the recipients of the teachings of the Gospels, which occur both explicitly (as in Luke 3:14, when John the Baptist recommends that soldiers be content with their pay, just as Rome advised those recruited for military service) and implicitly (as in Luke 9:23, when the instruction is given to abandon everything - family, friends, work - and follow the leader, just as the government wanted the soldiers to do). There is also abundant teaching reinforcing the civil obligation to serve soldiers, including obeying them for twice the amount required (Matthew 5:41). The character Jesus always presents himself as the reformer of the Law of Moses (Matthew 5:38, correcting Exodus 21:24 on the principle of “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth”) and the propagator of various Roman laws (as in Mark 10:12 on marriage and in Matthew 22:21 recommending the payment of taxes). Jesus never taught his disciples to love Jews or their relatives, but he did teach them to love Romans (Matt. 5:44) and to turn the other cheek (Matt. 5:39). The Flavian Theory, therefore, not only presents a coherent argument for the literary origins of Jesus, but also highlights the Romans' ability to use religion as a tool of sociopolitical control. *_Some of the most enigmatic passages found in the gospels are more easily understood when seen through the eyes of a general speaking to his legions._* *_I had a bland deplorable insufferable two-faced Greek woman admit to all of it proudly in these comment boards a while ago, very sickening._* 🤮🤮🤮

[@thevillageyid]

Round and round the Christian mind goes.

[@stephenbailey9969]

@@thevillageyid No. Centered completely on the Messiah Jesus, Adonai of all.

[@stephenbailey9969]

@@samfromisrael It's a theory. But not persuasive.

[@samfromisrael]

@@stephenbailey9969 *Creating Christ" (which is both a book and a film documentary) argues that Christianity was essentially invented by the Flavian Dynasty of Roman Emperors circa 60-80AD as a means of pacifying insurrectionist Jews and convincing them to accept Roman rule. It makes a lot of sense and they have what seems to be some compelling evidence. It also explains the ridiculous and frequent defenses of the Roman empire, instructions to pay taxes, etc. that stick out like a sore thumb in the Gospels. The Nicene Council in 325 CE was clearly a significant step toward the establishment of the modern church, but I don't think it was the starting point of the scam. It seems people were knowingly lying long before then. Fascinating that the Roman empire itself may have been behind the creation of Christianity (obviously this is the opposite of the "persecution" narrative that was popularized for millenia).*