Was Jesus God or An Angel Prior to His Birth? - by J. Dan Gill

Did Jesus preexist himself as a non-human being? Was he as Trinitarianism has held, a preexistent God the Son? Was he, as Jehovah's Witnesses have said, a preexistent angel or other celestial being?J. Dan Gill teaches that both of these ideas are equally wrong in light of the Bible.
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[@georgehenrykonning3171]

Every school child can give the true Biblical answer. Why, is the answer disputed? Strange such an elementary question should be asked

[@SoftBreadSoft]

"For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one source. That is why he is not ashamed to call them brothers," "For surely it is not angels that he helps, but he helps the offspring of Abraham Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people." Entirely human, nonangelic, nondivine even when he knew all things of heaven and earth and walked on water, a human man who born from God saw it not grasped to be considered equal to God, emptied himself for God's works. all his doings are by the acts and will of the Father through him, not his individual power or will. "Have this mind in you also as it is in Christ." It is perfectly clear, but people want to believe contradictions, people want to believe a doctrine that would necessarily mean if Jesus is God all men are God like John 17 and others would state in the lens of this doctrine - God doesn't want us to believe contradictions or fallacies. He made that clear to me. We should do as Jesus says to satan, only Worship God, our Father who is in Heaven.

[@gideonopyotuadebo2304]

who were you prior to your birth? Answer that before you fabricate that about another person

[@Watchmanonthewall77]

Man, this subject draws out some hateful folks.

[@emeleibedimgba9563]

Nice video......but how about john 17:5

[@stacyturbeville6863]

Neither. He didn’t exist until Bethlehem.

[@Yce_Take]

Wrong, antichrist.

[@tongakhan230]

Jesus the human didn't exist prior to his birth. However, the angel whom God SENT from heaven to become Jesus existed. Galatians 4:4

[@Yce_Take]

@@tongakhan230 Antichrist, Jesus is Yahweh God of Israel in Genesis 18, Exodus 24:9-11, Isaiah 6, etc. Cope.

[@JohnMartim-sy9yf]

What a fantastic question! There is still some missing data in the answer, but it is understandable because there are still things that do not appear in the Bible and those that do appear are misinterpreted (Revelation 5, for example). The mystery of Christ, namely everything that precedes the incarnation of the Word, is much more complicated than it may seem. And this knowledge is essential if we want to answer questions such as: - Why is Jesus a man? - Was the incarnation of the Word in Mary the only one? - Why did Jesus have to die for men? ...

[@kenowens9021]

Neither. Angels are servants. God created everything for Adam and Eve. Jesus, as the coming messiah, came only because of the fall.

[@danielabankwa9867]

1 Corinthians 15:47 KJVS [47] The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. According to this ☝️, Adam came from the earth, but Christ came from heaven. John too said the same thing about Jesus Christ down below 👇 John 3:31-32 KJVS [31] He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. [32] And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. If according to John 1:6, John was a man sent from God, why is he referring to himself as earthly and referring to Jesus Christ as heavenly in John 3:31-33???

[@danielabankwa9867]

1 Corinthians 15:47 KJVS [47] The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. According to this ☝️, Adam came from the earth, but Christ came from heaven. John too said the same thing about Jesus Christ down below 👇 John 3:31-32 KJVS [31] He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. [32] And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. If according to John 1:6, John was a man sent from God, why is he referring to himself as earthly and referring to Jesus Christ as heavenly in John 3:31-33???

[@aA-lx6ji]

God was in his "mother's" womb??

[@pierschoenpandiangan2022]

‼️First‼️ of all we have to know❓WHO SPOKE TO MOSES AT THE BURNING BUSH? 1⃣✔️THE ANGEL OF THE LORD ✔️or 2⃣GOD : I AM THAT I AM3️⃣👉THE LORD GOD OF YOUR FATHERS,👈 THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB, Exodus 3:2, 14-15 👉1⃣ THERE THE ANGEL OF THE LORD👈 appeared to him👉🔥IN A BLAZING FIRE🔥 FROM WITHIN A BUSH. Moses saw the bush ablaze with fire, but it was not consumed. 14 And👉2⃣ GOD👈 said unto Moses, 👉I AM THAT I AM: 👈and👉 he said👈, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,👉 I AM👈 hath sent👉 ME👈 UNTO YOU. 15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, 👉3️⃣ THE LORD GOD OF YOUR FATHERS,👈 THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. ‼️FROM EXODUS 3:2, 14-15 WE KNOW WHO ACTUALLY SPOKE TO MOSES, IT WAS 1⃣✅THE ANGEL OF THE LORD✅ ❌not❌ 2⃣❌ GOD : I AM THAT I AM❌ 3️⃣❌THE LORD GOD OF YOUR FATHERS,👈 THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB❌ Exodus 3:2 THERE THE ANGEL OF THE LORD/according to Acts 7:35....✅OF THE ANGEL✅ WHICH APPEARED TO HIM IN THE BUSH. And in the mount sina Acts 7:38 (KJV) THIS IS HE, ...... WITH✅ THE ANGEL✅ WHICH SPAKE TO HIM IN THE MOUNT SINA Acts 7:35 (KJV) This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? ▶️THE SAME DID GOD◀️ send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand 🔥 ✅▶️ OF THE ANGEL WHICH◀️✅ APPEARED TO HIM IN THE BUSH🔥. Acts 7:38 (KJV) THIS IS HE, that was in the church in the wilderness ✅▶️WITH THE ANGEL WHICH◀️✅ SPAKE TO HIM IN THE MOUNT SINA, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us: ❓Who Was The Angel Of God who spoke to Moses in the bush? Exodus 23:20-23 (KJV) 20 Behold, ‼️I ‼️SEND ✅AN ANGEL✅ before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. 21 ‼️BEWARE OF HIM, AND OBEY HIS VOICE,‼️ provoke him not;‼️FOR HE WILL NOT PARDON‼️YOUR TRANSGRESSIONS: ✅FOR MY NAME IS IN HIM✅. Isaiah 63:9 In all their distress, He too was afflicted, and ✅THE ANGEL OF HIS PRESENCE✅SAVED THEM. In His love and compassion He redeemed them; He lifted them up and carried them all the days of old. Exodus 33:14 And the LORD answered, "✅MY PRESENCE✅ will go with you, and I will give you rest." Exodus 33:15 "If✅ YOUR PRESENCE✅ does not go with us," Moses replied, "do not lead us up from here ❓So, Who was the angel of God who spoke to Moses in the bush? Isaiah 63:9 ...✅THE ANGEL OF HIS PRESENCE✅ Exodus 23:21 ✅FOR MY NAME IS IN HIM✅. Acts 7:35 ....▶️THE SAME DID GOD◀️ send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand 🔥 ✅▶️ OF THE ANGEL WHICH◀️✅ APPEARED TO HIM IN THE BUSH🔥. ❓why does THE ANGEL OF GOD ▶️‼️USE ‼️◀️the words GOD : I AM THAT I AM and THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB NAME IS IN HIM?? because the Angel of God speaks in the name of GOD : I AM THAT I AM dan THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB is in Him Exodus 23:21 ✅FOR MY NAME IS IN HIM ✅ ⁉️Then who is the angel of God sent by GOD : I AM THAT I AM? John 17:3 (KJV) And this is life eternal, that they might know ✅THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD✅, and JESUS CHRIST, WHOM ✅THOU HAST SENT ✅(ἀπέστειλας apesteilas) John 17:5 And now,✅ O FATHER, GLORIFY THOU ME ✅with thine own self ✅WITH THE GLORY WHICH I HAD ✅WITH THEE before the world was. John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may BEHOLD ✅MY GLORY, WHICH THOU HAST GIVEN ME✅: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 1 John 4:9 GRK: τὸν μονογενῆ ἀπέσταλκεν ὁ θεὸς NAS: in us, that God has sent His only begotten KJV: that God sent his 1 John 4:14 GRK: ὁ πατὴρ ἀπέσταλκεν τὸν υἱὸν KJV: the Father sent the Son ⁉️what is the.....✅MY GLORY, WHICH THOU HAST GIVEN ME✅ .....given to JESUS or THE ANGEL OF GOD? Exodus 23:21 ✅FOR MY NAME IS IN HIM ✅ John 5:43 ✅I AM COME IN MY FATHER'S NAME, ✅and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. ...And✅ THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH✅, and dwelt among us... John 1:1-3, 14 (KJV) 1 IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, and ✅THE WORD WAS WITH GOD✅, and the ✅Word was God.✅ 2 THE SAME WAS in the beginning WITH GOD. 3 ✅ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM;✅ and without him was not any thing made that was made. 14 And ✅THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH✅, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Psalms 147:15 ✅HE SENDETH FORTH HIS✅COMMANDMENT upon earth: ✅HIS WORD✅ RUNNETH VERY SWIFTLY. ....✅THE WORD✅ WAS MADE FLESH, and dwelt among us.... John 5:43 ✅I AM COME IN MY FATHER'S NAME✅, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. John 17:6 ✅I HAVE MANIFESTED THY NAME✅ unto the men ✅WHICH THOU GAVEST ME ✅out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, KEEP THROUGH ✅THINE OWN NAME THOSE WHOM THOU HAST GIVEN ME,✅ that they may be one, as we are. John 17:12 While I was with them in the world,✅ I KEPT THEM IN THY NAME: ✅those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. John 17:26 And✅ ‼️I HAVE DECLARED‼️ ✅unto them ✅THY NAME,✅ and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them. ‼️Conclusion‼️ It was Christ who from the bush on Mount Horeb spoke to Moses saying, “I AM THAT I AM: Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.” This was the pledge of Israel's deliverance. So when He came “in the likeness of men,” He declared Himself the I AM. The Child of Bethlehem, the meek and lowly Saviour, is God “manifest in the flesh.” 1 Timothy 3:16 And to us He says:‼️ “I AM the good shepherd.”‼️ “I AM the living bread.” ‼️“I AM the way, the truth, and the life.”‼️ ... I AM the assurance of every promise.‼️ I AM; be not afraid. ‼️“God with us” is the surety of our deliverance from sin.‼️

[@pierschoenpandiangan2022]

so▶️ God :◀️ I Am That I Am And The God Of Abraham, The God Of Isaac, And The God Of Jacob ✅‼️NEVER APPEARS HIMSELF‼️✅ and speaks to humans. He spoke to humans through THE ANGEL OF GOD or the Only Begotten Son of God John 6:46 ✅‼️NOT THAT ANY MAN‼️ HATH SEEN THE FATHER, ✅save He Which Is Of God, He Hath Seen The Father. Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou CANST NOT SEE MY FACE: for there shall no man see me, and live. John 1:18 ✅‼️NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN‼️GOD,✅ BUT 👉 THE ONE AND ONLY SON,👈 WHO IS HIMSELF God and ✅‼️IS AT THE FATHER'S SIDE✅👈has made Him known. Isaiah 63:9 In all their distress, He too was afflicted, and‼️✅THE ANGEL OF HIS PRESENCE‼️✅SAVED THEM. In His love and compassion He redeemed them; He lifted them up and carried them all the days of old. Exodus 33:14 And the LORD answered, "✅MY PRESENCE✅ will go with you, and I will give you rest." Exodus 33:15 "If✅ YOUR PRESENCE✅ does not go with us," Moses replied, "do not lead us up from here John 7:29 but‼️ I KNOW HIM,‼️✔️ because✔️‼️I AM FROM HIM‼️✔️and He sent Me." Isaiah 63:9 In all their distress, He too was afflicted, and‼️✅THE ANGEL OF HIS PRESENCE‼️✅SAVED THEM. In His love and compassion He redeemed them; He lifted them up and carried them all the days of old. John 14:7 ‼️IF YOU HAD KNOWN ME,‼️ YOU WOULD‼️ KNOW MY FATHER‼️ AS WELL. From now on YOU DO KNOW HIM AND HAVE SEEN HIM." John 5:37 And ‼️✅THE FATHER HIMSELF✅‼️, which HATH SENT ME, hath borne witness of me. ‼️✅YE HAVE NEITHER ✅‼️HEARD HIS VOICE AT ANY TIME, NOR SEEN HIS SHAPE. John 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also. John 7:29 but‼️ I KNOW HIM,‼️✔️ because✔️‼️I AM FROM HIM‼️✔️and He sent Me." John 8:55 Yet ye have not known him; ‼️BUT I KNOW HIM‼️: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: ‼️BUT I KNOW HIM‼️and keep his saying. Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father;‼️ NEITHER KNOWETH ANY MAN THE FATHER‼️👉✅SAVE THE SON, ✅👈AND 👉HE TO WHOMSOEVER 👈THE SON WILL‼️ 👉REVEAL👈‼️HIM. 1 Timothy 1:17 👉✅NOW TO THE KING ETERNAL, IMMORTAL, AND✅ INVISIBLE,👈 ‼️THE ONLY GOD,‼️ be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen. James 1:17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the ✅FATHER OF THE HEAVENLY LIGHTS, ‼️✅WITH WHOM THERE IS NO CHANGE ‼️OR ‼️✅SHIFTING SHADOW.‼️ 1 John 1:5 And this is the message 👉WE 👈HAVE HEARD ✅👉FROM 👈HIM and announce to you: GOD IS LIGHT, AND IN HIM THERE IS NO DARKNESS AT ALL.

[@jomerorobia4140]

Peace be with you. I think, you don't believe Jesus in the beginning he was there. Your belief if Jesus if "pure" man. Like the teaching of Felix Manalo in the Philippines. Am I right?

[@tongakhan230]

Only someone with a greater authority can SEND someone lower in authority. Jesus admits that he was an angel SENT by God. John 13:16. No one can SEND himself.

[@kardiognostesministries8150]

Functional subjection does not necessitate ontological inferiority (Ephesians 5:24).

[@tongakhan230]

@@kardiognostesministries8150 :Jesus used a logic at John 13:16. Here is what it says. (John 13:16) Most truly I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master, nor is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him. Basically it means in real life, that a Managing Director can SEND a junior manager or employee on some errand. It can never be the other way round. God SENT Jesus, means that, Jesus was a SUBORDINATE ANGEL. 'To WHICH of the ANGELS did God say...' - Hebrews 1:5,13. There is no inferior complex when someone subjects himself to the authority of another. It just shows obedience and acknowledgement of authority.. 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, THE HEAD OF THE CHRIST IS GOD.

[@kardiognostesministries8150]

@@tongakhan230 It is interesting you quote from Hebrews 1 when in verse 10 it teaches Jesus is YHWH.

[@MrZeuqsav]

Ezek, 9:1-11, according to these scriptures, Jehovah didn't sent himself,but Jesus, who exists with God in heaven, no earth that time, @Gen,1:26, They have the same invisible images, before Jesus was transfered to Mary's womb,@Deut, 18:18-19, / Acts, 3:22-23,

[@tongakhan230]

@@kardiognostesministries8150 : What type of book does one think God gave us? 'Jesus is not God in these scriptures but is God in a particular scripture????? There are NO CONTRADICTIONS or DIFFERENT TRUTHS contained in the Bible. Hebrews 1:1 onwards shows Jesus to be an ANGEL son of God. Why does Hebrews 1:10-12 quote Psalm 102:25-27 and apply it to the Son, when the psalm says that it is addressed to God? Because the Son is the one through whom God performed the creative works there described by the psalmist. (See Colossians 1:15, 16; Proverbs 8:22, 27-30.) If unclear, please let me know. Heb 1:2 will help understand it.

[@thefluffles6384]

Well through him all things were created. I believe he is the word of God as written if he is the word of God then he is basically a part of God I understand that in the spiritual realm things are connected though seperate in a while I believe he allows free will for all of his creation. So whats the point? The point is that God the father has always existed, and his word would have not existed at all until he has spoken, "let their be light" so yes the Christ is the Alpha and Omega he was there when all of creation was being made being the 1st but he is not the one who is, and who was, and will always be. The 2nd point is if he wished to turn his word into flesh who are any of you to say he cannot do it? He does as he wishes and you can neither tell him yes or no. If he wishes to turn his word into a man of the flesh and call him his son then so be it. That is why in the end of John 1:1 it says Was God not is God or if you look at other translation was with God but at the time wasn't he already taken up to heaven to be at the side of his father? Jesus Christ is devine is he the father outright i dont believe it is he in union with the father, yes. In truth i will never accept scripture in certain ways because they all hail from the catholic church and i will never trist the religious bias of those in the council of nicea, and inwill especially never trust it when it come from a king that has a family to be confirmed to be heavily involved with the occult. We may never know what was originally said or written any of you who can think well know the heart of men, God has preserved the scriptures well enough we know the important parts that is to put faith on his son Jesus Christ the rest of these doctrines I could care less of if we weren't so blinded by religous tradition id say the the answer is somewhere in the middle God but not the Father divine but not greater than his father. Who can know i know half of you guys are conspiracy heads you can't be blindes this badly by tradition ceremony and rituals. Come on.

[@Watchmanonthewall77]

Aww, too long bro🤦

[@SSNBN777]

What is the name of Jesus Christ’s biological father (who was He begotten by)? Scripture names His biological Father as the Most High God. For your postulation to be true, that God Himself never took on human flesh, you must write off Luke's birth account as pure fantasy, and believe Mary fornicated with an unnamed suitor, by whom Jesus was begotten. To deny Jesus is God come in the flesh, is the very description of the spirit of antichrist, according to the Apostle John. Why would the Apostle make such a nonsensical statement about having to believe a man came as a man? How else would a man come? Obviously, his statement means one must believe God came in the flesh of a man. 2 John 1:7 KJV For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Luke 1:35 NASB95 The angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.

[@21stOneGod]

Just as Adam did not have a human father, neither does Christ. By the presence and spirit of God, a virgin became with child (Luke 1:26-38). This is one of many miracles God did through Christ, and it is what signifies Jesus as God’s only begotten son. Thanks!

[@SSNBN777]

@21stOneGod The first Adam's body was made entirely from the dust of the earth. He was literally a created being, a "living soul", a body of flesh with God's breath of life that would allow him to live as long as he remained in the Presence of God. Jesus was “begotten” by God - Webster's Dictionary for begotten - from the root word “beget”: to procreate as the father : SIRE. Jesus had a literal biological male parent who supplied half the genetic material. Jesus wasn't a created being, like the First Adam, He is the direct offspring of God, the only begotten of the Father, a “life-giving spirit”. The first Adam decayed dust-to-dust after death; the body of Jesus did not undergo decay, as God had transferred “life in Himself”, the substance of the uncreated Being, to the Son also during procreation. The man Jesus lives eternally, not because He is IN the Presence of God - HE IS THE PRESENCE OF GOD. John 5:26 NASB95 For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself;

[@ortiz3m]

Good video. Like the teaching of the word apostle

[@alemartinezrojas5285]

He is Michael the Archangel

[@kevin8360]

Before his birth, he was a fetus! Before that, he was a concept, a plan, a prophecy. He was neither angel, nor God… and still isn’t.

[@simonskinner1450]

Well said. Though I believe Jesus is of angelic type now, having transfigured to an angel he could appear after his death or in heaven.

[@Yce_Take]

"A concept, a plan, a prophecy" came with two angels to Abraham in Genesis 18, right?

[@Yce_Take]

You, antichrists, are hilarious.

[@lutherbronner]

Who do you say Jesus Christ? The same question He asked Peter? Do you know?

[@simonskinner1450]

@@lutherbronner Truly a great question as that is the very point of the NT, and John summed it up best in John 20:31,"But these things are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ". Jesus fulfilled the law and prophets as the Messiah of Deuteronomy 18:18. Raised from his people.

[@garywatson5617]

Jesus was Michael the Arch Angel.

[@Watchmanonthewall77]

Can you prove that through scripture? Just curious 🤔

[@lutherbronner]

It about what Paul thought. But what the God is saying in the scripture. Do you believe scripture. To be the only true and Living eternal God without (father,mother,descent), neither beginning of days, nor end of life. That God the Father ,God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. Anything else is a False God.

[@Yce_Take]

They believe the spirit of the Antichrist whispering in their ears

[@antonkoivisto2999]

Where is the verse about God the son?

[@lutherbronner]

@@antonkoivisto2999 Matt 3:16-17, 17:5. Man had sin, Angels had sin. Jesus left Heaven took a body of man (virgin Mary His mother) conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost .Matt1:18-25

[@Yce_Take]

@@antonkoivisto2999 Everywhere. Where is the verse about Jesus NOT being God the Son?

[@MarvelNot]

@@Yce_Take You can frame _anything_ in the negative. That's not a useful argument. I could just ask you, "Where is that verse about Jesus _not_ not being God the Son?" The fact is: the phrase "God the Son" is not Scriptural. Also, you are taking the passage in Hebrews out of context. Jesus _has_ a God according to himself (John 20:17, Rev. 3:12, etc.) and the rest of Scripture (Rom. 15:6, 2 Cor. 1:3, 11:31, Eph. 1:3, Col. 1:3, 1 Pet. 1:3, etc.). Jesus calls his God "the only true God" in John 17:3. Jesus' God is his head (1 Cor. 11:3). God has no head, no one above him.

[@robertlesher2093]

Jesus is not God. He is one with the Father. We all can be one with Jesus. John 17:20-23 He and the Father are one in purpose. He is a creation of The Most High who we don’t know by name. He is not Jehovah aka Yahweh. This god is a god of war and mischief that Jesus came to expose and refute. Freemasons honor a trinity god represented by a by a three headed snake named Joa:Bul:On which stands for Jehovah, Baal, and Osiris. At Genesis 6:1-4 it states the sons of God had intercourse with the daughters of men and they gave birth to hybrids. Is it beyond God’s power to have Mary become pregnant and bare his son by Holy Spirit without intercourse. God gave us His son with free will to choose his calling. and was resurrected and elevated to a position higher than the angels for fulfilling his purpose. However he was not as high as his Most High Father, He sits at his Father’s right hand. He read scriptures and saw himself in Isaiah chapter 53 snd other prophecies. His parents told him of the angel telling Joseph about him at Matthew 1:20-23. At age 12 he was in the temple for 3 days listening to teachers and answering questions. He grew in wisdom and was favored by God, not himself, Luke 2:41-52 It appears he made up his mind about his calling when he told his parents he was in his Father’s house. The earliest Christians maintained that Jesus was a human being who was a god , a divine being. It wasn’t until later they realized Holy Spirit came upon Mary and God was his Father. Here is where confusion began as to the his nature . It wasn’t until 325 CE at the First Council of Nicaea that the trinity doctrine was finalized after years of debate . The New Testament contains no explicit trinitarian doctrin. However many believe it can be inferred. 1John 5:7-8 in the King James Bible has been regarded as a spurious addition to the original text. The trinity is controversial and mysterious. Confusion is counter to the character of God His character is not confused. He is not the author of confusion. 1Corinthians 14:33 He was in his Father’s purpose ,his intent as defined by the greek word logos at John 1: 1. Being with God means in his intended plan for man’s redemption It states the word was God but some scholars argue this is a mistranslation. They say the most appropriate translation would be “ the Word was a deity “ , which is a scalar category that doesn’t make the Word the same as God. At John 20:28 where Thomas said referred to Jesus as my Lord and my God was not saying Jesus was The actually God Almighty. The meanings of Lord in Greek referred to a title of honor, respect and reverence, one who controlled his thinking and taught him. The rendering of God in the first definition in Greek means god, goddess, a general deity. The second definition refers to a Trinity which was a word not even in the language. This made Jesus equal to his Father. This definition was put in by later translators to support the trinity doctrine In the beginning all things were created with him in mind. The Most High planned a deliverer to redeem man from sin having foreknowledge of Adam and Eves sin losing their chance for eternal life condemning us all to face death. At Romans 8:11 it mentions the Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead shall also quicken our mortal bodies by the Spirit that dwells in us. Jesus said at John 2:19 Destroy this temple ( we are the temple in which God dwells and are one with him and his Father ) and in three days i will raise it up. The Spirit that raised him up was his Father’s. After by his own power he literally raised his body up off the slab he was on. He also revived the temple of believers by his resurrection. He did not bring life back to himself. In 1 Corinthians 15 it tells of the order of resurrections and how Jesus was risen. Jesus has the keys to life and death. By his Father’s power he will grant life. Christ was first, then the firstfruits and afterward those at his coming. Then the end when he ( Jesus) has delivered up the kingdom ( his kingship ) to his Father who entrusted it to him. He is to be worshipped as His Father and all angels must honor him He is to be our judge and redeemer and salvation. Jesus has the keys to life and eternal death, aka Hell. When death is destroyed and Lucifer killed,crushed in the head then death will be no more. He will then turn the kingdom back to his Father His chosen have repented and walked in holiness crying out for God to create in them a clean heart and renew a steadfast spirit that resists sin Psalms 51:10 . He is coming back soon to call His chosen home.

[@lutherbronner]

If Jesus Christ wasn’t equal with the God the Father He couldn’t been a holy sacrifice for our sin. God the Father told you Jesus Christ was His Son. Jesus Christ told that He go back to His Father. A meditator be both parties God and man . Spirit and natural man.

[@shanederry2691]

@@lutherbronner That's not what the verse says. It says "the man Christ Jesus". And the Bible never says "I'm going back or returning". Some bad translations put that but it's not in the Greek texts. John 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

[@lutherbronner]

@@shanederry2691 When God the Father speak it done. 1 name 1 person He told you His name (Father) The Holy Spirit wrote the Bible. It not for private interpretation. You accept it. Got use your heart not brain or mind. The flesh body should be died. You still natural man in the Spirit world. That’s why you don’t understand.

[@lutherbronner]

It’s not about nobody but you. Do accept each word, verse, chapter, book or the whole Bible as God Holy Word. You don’t have Salvation or you aren’t born again. You believe 1 God that all you have. He that denieth the Son 1 John 2:18-27.

[@shanederry2691]

@@lutherbronner I never said I deny the Son. I deny the Son is God. Jesus is the Son of God. My lord and savior.

[@kardiognostesministries8150]

Jesus is always God.

[@kavitadeva]

WOW, YOUR AN EVANGELICAL

[@kardiognostesministries8150]

@@kavitadeva And I believe the correct teaching that Jesus is God.

[@sczoot6285]

That doesn't make sense, and shatters under a very simple test. In John 20 v17 Jesus clearly states "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God". Since Jesus clearly differentiates between himself and the Father and himself and his God, Jesus is not God. Jesus has a God which we know as our Father in heaven thanks to his teachings, just as we do.

[@kardiognostesministries8150]

@@sczoot6285 It doesn't have to make sense according to your standards. It has to make sense in terms of what the Bible teaches - and it does. Thanks for bringing up John 20:17 because Thomas properly referred to Jesus as "my God" in John 20:28.

[@kavitadeva]

@@sczoot6285 💯💥

[@christianperez2395]

I believe it really is better… I just have to ignore the places where Jesus is given the name of “YAHWEH” or the similarities of the Angel of the Lord where He is worshipped. Or how He was in beginning with God And was God. I’ll ignore phillipians 2:6-11 and Hebrew 1. Why can’t we Just take scripture as a whole. You get all kinds of problem when you just read a scripture in isolation.

[@the_son_of_man01]

When is he given the name Yahweh lol pls don't tell me when he said before Abraham, I am.

[@the_son_of_man01]

Also it says he Jesus was in the beginning meaning he had a beginning lol Yahweh is eternal and never is associated with a beginning.

[@MistaSCARY]

Jesus is The Alpha and The Omega, The First and The Last, The Beginning and The End. Jesus is GOD Always Forever and Amen and Hallelujah 🙌🏻

[@aaronsanchez3141]

Wrong

[@tongakhan230]

God cannot pray and worship another God. Revelation 3:12 “‘The one who conquers-I will make him a pillar in the temple of MY GOD, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of MY GOD and the name of the city of MY GOD, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from MY GOD, and my own new name. Jesus even in heaven has a God whom he worships.

[@MistaSCARY]

@@tongakhan230 ‭John 10:24-30 KJV‬ [24] Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. [25] Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. [26] But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. [27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: [28] and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. [29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. [30] I and my Father are one.

[@tongakhan230]

@@MistaSCARY : Jesus clearly states that he is God's PROPHET. Speaking what God commanded him to speak. Check John 12:49. That is why he said 'I and my Father ARE ONE.' Meaning unity among two individuals. Not 'I and my Father IS ONE. which would mean being one and the same individual. Remember that God promised TO SEND a Messiah. Not to come as the Messiah. Jesus' words may help. (John 4:34) Jesus said to them: “My food is to do the will of him WHO SENT ME and to finish HIS WORK. No one has any authority TO SEND God on any mission. God does the SENDING. Jesus being called a son of God means that prior to his human birth, Jesus was an angel. 'To WHICH of the ANGELS did God say...' - Hebrews 1:5.

[@MistaSCARY]

@@tongakhan230 3 Persons in 1 GOD : FATHER, SON, and THE HOLY SPIRIT 🕊️🔥🗡️ In John 10 Jesus presents Himself as the Good Shepherd and, in a debate with the Jewish leaders, makes the claim, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). It was a bold statement-one His audience found quite audacious-and it reveals much about who Jesus is. Five key observations can be made concerning this passage. First, Jesus claimed to be one with God in the sense of being equal to Him. Jesus did not claim to be merely a messenger or prophet of God, but of equal power with God. Second, His audience understood that Jesus was claiming equality with God the Father. In verse 31, “The Jews picked up stones again to stone him.” Why? Blasphemy was a crime punishable by death according to the Jewish Law. When Jesus asked why they were planning to kill Him, they answered, “For blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God” (John 10:33). If Jesus had been lying or deceived, His statement would have been blasphemous. In fact, the only way His words were not blasphemy is if Jesus was telling the truth about His equality with God. Third, Jesus referred to Himself as God’s Son and to God as His Father (John 10:36-37). He used Psalm 82:6 to show that the Messiah has the right to claim the title “Son of God.” Fourth, Jesus claimed that that Father sent Him: “the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world” (John 10:36). In this statement, Jesus claimed preexistence in the Father’s presence. No biblical prophet had ever made such a claim before; yet Jesus claimed to exist before Abraham (John 8:58). Fifth, Jesus only stated that the Jews did not believe Him; He never said they misunderstood His claim to be God. John 10:38 notes, “Even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” Jesus was not correcting a misunderstanding. They understood what He said perfectly. He was correcting their willful rejection of Him. Colossians 1:16-17 affirms Jesus’ same teaching: “In him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.” John 1:1 explicitly notes that Jesus was both with God in the beginning and was God. In summary, Jesus claimed to be one with the Father as part of a larger argument to note that He had existed from eternity past, lived in perfect oneness with the Father, held the same power as God, and was sent by God the Father’s authority. Unfortunately, He was rejected as divine by the Jewish leaders. Jesus’ claim to have equal power as the Father was not blasphemy. It was the plain truth.