The Doctrine of the Trinity is Illogical - by Sir Anthony Buzzard

[@aaronsanchez3141]

Illogical, irrelevant, inconsistent, incoherent. This doctrine has done more damage than any other

[@kingoftheearth2149]

But this is the original Hebrew religion brought to you by Noah himself. Because you cannot judge the Hebrew of the idiots that are Jews because they are a bunch of liars you cannot judge the Hebrew as a Christian because you don't know the scripture and you cannot judge the Hebrew as a Muslim because you do not know the scripture. So you have liars and idiots confused because they did not pay attention to the original religions literature. It's your fault for being too damn stupid to learn the actual Hebrew scriptures. It's your fault for being the disobedient ones who did not obey Jesus who ordered you to learn all of the scriptures. It is your fault you are so stupid because you made the choice to revolt against intelligence

[@thomas.bobby.g2918]

False, there is no "this doctrine". Tell the truth. The doctrines of hypostatic union and dual natures has done more damage than any others.

[@Cato1006]

You speak the truth!

[@thomas.bobby.g2918]

@@Cato1006 Thank You kindly.

[@aaronsanchez3141]

@@Cato1006 thank you

[@11304800]

I can’t imagine God being born. That’s insane. That’s like God being made flesh another insanity. Jesus is the one who was born. Jesus is the one who made flesh Hebrews 1:4 Hebrews 2:9. How can anyone believe God died? Someone would say well God resurrected. God never resurrected because God never died. God can’t die. The Bible says God is the eternal spirit. You can’t kill a spirit. And you certainly can’t kill an eternal spirit.

[@jakejones4801]

He was “born” into creation, His earthly birth was not the “beginning” of Jesus’ existence, but the beginning of His earthly ministry. And Christ died….physically. The spirit of Christ (ie God) cannot die, but if an immortal being, enters into a mortal vessel, and that mortal vessel is broken or killed, the spirit would live. When I die my vessel will die, but my spirit will not. Don’t just absorb rhetoric from Dr. Buzzard or from me, study both sides of the argument, you will find that the tri-unity of Gods person is the greatest and most amazing revelation given to us.

[@paulgarduno2867]

Your idea about God needs tons of improvement. Blessings

[@jakejones4801]

@@paulgarduno2867 care to educate me? I’m all ears

[@shaunigothictv1003]

​@@jakejones4801Christianity is a BASTARDISATION of orthodox Judaism. Just an observation.😊😊

[@richiejourney1840]

@@jakejones4801what are you people…new age JW’s?

[@FOMC6780]

The Doctrine of the Trinity is an Onion of Lies!

[@paulgarduno2867]

@@FOMC6780 are you capable to give a rational definition of what is a Trinity.? If Not your comment is useless.

[@MichaelTheophilus906]

The trinitarian religion is idolatry. A false god, a false Christ, and a false gospel.

[@FOMC6780]

​@@paulgarduno2867 my comment was an observation of the facts that the Trinity is a Lie built upon more Lies once you peel through the Onion analogy and it has no basis whatsoever in Scripture. Before you reply to my comment above, you need to find out who, what, and where is God not according to your theological doctrines of the Church but from Scripture Alone and after you have read especially the NT words of Jesus and the Apostles therefore we can have an intelligent conversation without any sarcasm. ​ @paulgarduno2867 Answer a few questions about who, what, and where is God? Who is God in the Scriptures according to the Teachings of Jesus? What is God in essence or nature? Where is God?

[@JudeOne3Four]

@@paulgarduno2867 3-nity means three in unity. Three what in unity? Three gods, period! It doesn't matter how you slice it. The Bibles *does not* teach polytheism nor mysticism. God is one person just like the first man He created in His *own* image and likeness. Adam was one person and not three person in one being. From Genesis to Revelation 👉God👈 always refers to the Father and *never* to the trinity! Can you prove me wrong?

[@MRFITTA]

@@JudeOne3Four From Genesis to Revelation, God has shown that not only is he always on his throne, Sovereign over the universe; but also enters into his creation, where time and space allow for a tangible recognition of him, and yet his presence fills the entire universe, there is not one spot he is won't be found. God told Israel that he was the only Savior, and that he would gather the nations back to worship him( after Babel), that he would live among his people, not even just among, but indwell them, and give them a new heart, and mind.( new covenant- Jeremiah 31) God is the only Savior, Jesus is the only Savior, he saves by the power of his Spirit, the Spirit of God. Jesus, Savior, creator, and sustainer of all things is the truth, Sir Anthony Buzzard doesn't know him, I dont think you do either.

[@followthegoodshepherd5845]

Can a Trinitarian explain who the ONLY true God is? Also, can a Trinitarian explain to me how the risen Jesus has a GOD and worships that God, and calls that God his Father, and says that same God is our God, and that same Father that is his Father, is our Father as well? Wouldn't that make it clear that the Father is our ONLY true God as Jesus said? Please explain this to me. I used to be Trinitarian, but these scriptures along with many others caused me to abandon the Trinity.

[@Trivdgun-]

You either believe scripture or you don't. 1 John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. Colossians 2:9 - For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Revelation 1:8 - I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Revelation 1:18 - I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. Isaiah 43:3 - For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. Isaiah 43:11 - I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. Isaiah 63:8-10 - For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour. In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old. But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them. Hosea 13:4 - Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me. John 10:30 - I and my Father are one. John 10:33 - The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

[@followthegoodshepherd5845]

@@Trivdgun- I know all these scriptures. I have answers for most of them. You didn't answer the straight-forward, clear words of Jesus, as I asked. I know many more scriptures than what you posted that go against the Trinity doctrine. I am asking you to explain the words of Jesus in my OP. Either you believe Jesus words that were in my OP, or you don't.

[@dazzadizzy5308]

@@Trivdgun- 1 John 5:7 is a forgery inserting centuries after the original manuscripts Col 2:9 Means Jesus had the qualities of His Father not saying he WAS Him. Rev 1:8 Is talking about the Father on the throne ,read verse 4 slowly Isaiah 43 explains itself nothing to read into that Isaiah 43 YHWH IS the one who saves back then YHWH used Cyrus as a means , on a bigger scale He used Jesus as a means All other YHWH uses agents as a MEANS to save , Jesus was a sinless human and was the only one who could buy back what we lost. Rev 5 John 10 Jesus argued if scripture called THEM Gods then why was it blasphemy for him to state he was the SON of God John 10:30 Father and son worked with a singular mind and purpose , verse 29 the FATHER is greatest of all!

[@MichaelTheophilus906]

@@Trivdgun- Twisting the scripture fallacy.

[@zelimirsrnec9452]

Please do not make jokes, on the truth which you do not understand. Why you read into the Holy Bible pagan, non biblical view, of God who is the Father od our Lord Jesus.

[@vandango901]

I once went to the r/Christianity sub reddit years ago. I asked what it was jesus taught about life. I asked this because I knew all about asking Jesus into your heart yada yada and wanted to know more about what he taught actually taught. I was told Jesus had no teachings. He didn't teach about how to live. He was born and died for our sins and we need to worry about nothing but believing that. Sadly, I believed them and stayed away from Jesus for years after. Thankfully I decided to read the Bible for myself this year and am shocked, saddened and almost frightened by how lost the church seems to be.

[@martinmartin6300]

Keep going, brother, and don't let the disappointment let you down! You are not alone!

[@MichaelTheophilus906]

The poor triitarian trolls are very active tonight.

[@MichaelTheophilus906]

@@summerhouse8205 Unitarians have brought a lot of baggage with them from the trinitarian religion.

[@shaunigothictv1003]

​@@summerhouse8205Good points and i agree with you. Im no Christian. But as a free thinker i do have some observations on the subject of the Trinity. Let us go to the Bible. Isaiah 46 v 9 (KJV) V9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Isaiah 45 v 5 & 6 (NIV) V5 I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me, V6 so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting, people may know there is none besides me, I am the Lord, and there is no other. Deutoronomy 4 v 35 (KJV) V35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him. So it is clear from the Bible itself that the Trinity was not taught in the Old Testament. This is the default orthodox Jewish position which orthodox Jews still believe today. None of the Old Testament prophets were even aware of the Trinity doctrine. Dr.William Lane Craig states that the Trinity doctrine is a "progressive revelation". So what do the Orthodox Jews think about this idea that YAHWEH progressively reveals his nature over time? The answer is this. The orthodox Jews claim that both Christianity and Islam are actually BASTARDISATIONS of orthodox Judaism. So where does that leave this progressive revelation syndrome? We are back to square one - Christians debating other Christians is like the religious version of the Jerry Springer show.

[@Mike-p9n]

When I was a you boy of 8 years old even then I knew the Trinity was blasphemy...I don't need any man to teach me what is not in the Bible. God does that!!!!!!

[@richiejourney1840]

That’s funny…when I was 8 the Trinity was a fascinating divine mystery that I believe.

[@Mike-p9n]

@@richiejourney1840 I respect that and never disrespect another's beliefs

[@paulgarduno2867]

@@Mike-p9n 8yrs old child theology's presumptions.!! Please read and honor scripture. 1Corinthians 13:11 ..then go to : 2Corinthians 13:13 closing statement = Trinitarian Benediction.

[@JudeOne3Four]

@@richiejourney1840 The 3-nity is not a mystery it is a conspiracy. Nobody in Scripture was 3-nitarian. Question: How did Jesus taught believers to pray? Our Heavenly Father or our heavenly trinity?

[@11304800]

This mess began in 325 AD

[@RFazor]

Agreed

[@VinceBalaNathan]

And the Christians and those who teach them are UNABLE to get out of it!

[@davidcrane6593]

They recently dug up a plaque dated 235 a.d. that said "God Jesus Christ" in Israel

[@aaronsanchez3141]

​@davidcrane6593 the name Jesus christ didn't exist then so I'm positive that's not what it said.

[@MichaelTheophilus906]

Became official in 381 A.D. Believe it or die.

[@jesusisthechristthesonofgod]

good to see sir buzzard is still alive and well

[@parksideevangelicalchurch2886]

It is illogical to say that light is both made up of particles and waves, but there it is. At the largest and smallest scales of creation, God has decided to create and uphold the universe in ways that seem illogical to my tiny little brain. So when I think about being baptised "in the name" (not names) "of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" I don't try to force Jesus to say "in the names of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," nor "in the name of the Father and in the name of the Son and in the name of the Holy Spirit" just so I can force God to conform to my limited grasp of logic. One name. Three persons. Jesus said it, and I agree with him.

[@TheJmoeller1987]

Light is a wave

[@loveofthetruth9398]

Sorry, your argument from the grammar doesn't really prove your point. By stark contrast the PLAIN AND SIMPLE statements of Scripture make a MUCH more powerful point! The best example of an apostle baptizing in the name of the Father, and of the son, and of the holy spirit is found in Acts 2:36-38 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that ........... GOD ......... hath made that same .....JESUS ......., whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of ...... JESUS CHRIST ...... for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the ......HOLY SPIRIT. Both God (the Father) ... Jesus .... and the holy spirit are named in this record of the first baptisms into the Church.

[@parksideevangelicalchurch2886]

@@loveofthetruth9398 Singulars and plurals are important in Bible interpretation. “Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ.” Galatians 3:16 Read this verse again: “baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” Matthew 28:19 Not one each, nor many names, but "in the name." If you know your OT, you'll know how important "the name" of God is.

[@richiejourney1840]

@@TheJmoeller1987it’s also particles and energy as well as a wave.

[@richiejourney1840]

@@loveofthetruth9398why even baptize in three names if they are not God? “I am the YHW. I will not share My Glory with any other.”

[@oldi184]

I came to the conclusion that the idea of "trinity" is weird and a heresy against the first commandment on my own as a teenager years ago.

[@11304800]

The real Jesus in the scriptures is the only begotten son of God. Who is under the authority of God, the father first Corinthians 11 three. God is over Christ. if God is over Christ, then Christ is not God.

[@jdaze1]

Actually if YOU have been conceived of the Fathers incorruptible seed then YOU are of the Fathers only begotten. James 1:18, I Peter 1:3, 1:23 (kjv or greek). One branch is not one person but many from one seed. Jer. 33:22, Psalm 18:50. "To WHOMEVER overcomes he will inherit ALL THINGS. I will be his Elohiem and he will be MY SON" Revelation 21:7.

[@jakejones4801]

God was over Christ….during Jesus’ earthly ministry when He “laid aside” many of His divine rights to be made low, so as to be the perfect sacrifice for us. Christ is Fully and truly God, and He WAS fully and truly man (during the incarnation)

[@godzoo18]

Don't be ridiculous.

[@jakejones4801]

@@godzoo18 any refutations you’d like to raise?

[@jovannibernasol6787]

@@jakejones4801 Hi, good day, its just that the only problem with our Lord Jesus is fully God and fully Man, is this verse John 20:17-18 in our Lords Jesus mouth he said that he has a God and Father, and Jesus God is also our God and Jesus Father is also our Father, i mean, how can we refute that, our Lord Jesus said it with his own words, peace.

[@11304800]

lol three is one! It,s the same as saying Jesus has a “ dual “ nature of Jesus.

[@johncena12366]

God is one.

[@VinceBalaNathan]

And there is NO OTHER!

[@MichaelTheophilus906]

John 17.3, John 8.40

[@julegate]

Could someone please provide clarification on the book Dr Buzzard is referring to when he speaks of the perversion of Christianity around the 22:00 minute mark? Thank you.

[@sohadismusidi]

Never in christianity historey peoples openly criticized the doctrine of trinity.

[@dok9024]

Have you ever heard of Arianism?

[@lampandlightpathways]

Historically people haven't criticized it because you may have lost your life for doing so. Today pastors tell you that you have a wrong spirit if you don't accept the trinity . So today biblically based intelligent people don't bother bringing the subject up.

[@davidcrane6593]

The pharisees didn't think Jesus is God either--> John 8:24 KJV - I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

[@SmalltimR]

That irony in this - is that people will often cite the Pharisees without ever realizing what it is that was being said - that is to say, that the accusations was in mockery - ie, who do you think you are, GOD?

[@davidcrane6593]

@@SmalltimR yeah... it seems illogical to you doesn't it?.. that God can become a man.

[@pouseu]

Great scripture.

[@torahtrucker]

Numbers 23:19 is clear: “God is not a man… nor a son of man”. Satan’s temptation of Christ is meaningless if Christ were God. God did not die. Christ did. “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24‬:‭36‬ ‭

[@charlestiraco8634]

David, what is the "he" that John wants us to understand that Jesus is? Read John 20:31 please.

[@jamesmoore2143]

Abraham was saved and there wasn't even in Jesus or a holy spirit yet

[@MichaelTheophilus906]

Genesis 1:2

[@richiejourney1840]

@@MichaelTheophilus906GN 1:1 and following…Elohim. A plurality in One.

[@richiejourney1840]

Also, do a deep dive study into the divine Logos and Wisdom and the Angel of YHWH

[@richiejourney1840]

Also, do a study on Melkizadec.

[@MichaelTheophilus906]

@@richiejourney1840 In your imagination. Read the bible. God says over and over that He is the only God and He is one. Someone is lying to you.

[@GatheringJacob]

EXCELLENT! Thank you sir Anthony! Wonderfully stated! Sir Anthony John one: 13 is not about the Messiah. It’s about those who believe in his name being born of the spirit. Not sure what you were trying to insinuate a virgin birth from that passage. That’s clearly not the meaning. Sorry, Anthony, why do we use the term begotten and further promote their position? As Unitarians isn’t there a better word to use in English then be gotten? That is trinitarian talk to hide the fact that he had a beginning and was conceived in the womb, I think it’s time we stop using their terminology . I would love to know your thoughts on this, thank you.

[@richiejourney1840]

So you want to lie about the words of the text?

[@GatheringJacob]

@@richiejourney1840 like the trinitarians do to scriptures, reading things into the text that are not there, you are doing to my statement. “Begotten”, have you EVER heard that used in any modern conversation outside of theology or discussion of the Bible? That term is not modern vernacular and has been used to hide and skew the truth! it is my opinion yranslators should use a better modern more common English word or phrase to translate that Greek word. I could write pages but it doesn’t sound like you have ears that work so I will leave you alone.

[@friezershi]

God Almighty is one God from everlasting to everlasting!!! There is no trinity at all!!! God was manifested in flesh of Lord Jesus Christ and be with us, that is what bible teaches, trinity id created by catholic church in the council of Nicea, which teaches in polythiest which is erreneous doctrine!!! May the only God the father Almighty be blessed forever and ever in the name of his son Jesus Christ the Lord!!!

[@dok9024]

@@friezershi can you explain more in detail what God Jesus Holy Spirit is?

[@dok9024]

What do you mean by manifested? That Jesus was some sort of display?

[@SmalltimR]

@@dok9024 Jesus is exactly who He claimed to be - GOD's firstborn son The Holy Spirit is GOD's active force(ie, spirit), exerted upon creation

[@dok9024]

@@SmalltimR if Jesus is literally the son of god, then Jesus would be God, no?

[@SmalltimR]

@@dok9024 I think you'll find that it is the definition of GOD that is lacking in such reasoning - ie, What characteristics and attributes make Jesus' GOD and Father the Most High GOD, the GOD of God's, the only true GOD, the Supreme GOD, the GOD over all, through all and in all?

[@Walelign-k7j]

I recently come to believe there is only one God! And Jesus is the Christ of God.But I don't know what to do next? Should I be paptized? By whom? With whom should I have fellowship ? There is no one who believe in my surrounding !

[@SmalltimR]

Anyone who qualifies as a true follower of Christ can baptize you in accordance with scripture. That said, and as you already know the truth about GOD and His son Christ Jesus, you can therefore determine true followers from the false one's

[@MakaiJohnkenneth]

The christians who defend trinity doctrine are making verses read that but nothing in bible talks of one in essence and Three persons. Nte Genesis we have A man visited Abraham and he called him Lord judge of all the earth Angel of the Lord peaked by telling Jacob I am God you met in bethel Moses in the fire,angel of the Lord seen and says I am God of your father's. Then in the cloud God spoke with Moses. Does it mean God is The man Angel of the lord Fire cloud .? No it's God delegating he is power and authority . So it's with messiah given authority in heaven and earth.Gen 49 v 10 Dan 7 v 13

[@dok9024]

So are you saying that Jesus is no more than a man that was given authority by God?

[@oneseekinglight9491]

What I need to believe: [Jhn 20:30 NKJV] And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; [Jhn 20:31 NKJV] but these are written that you may believe that Yeshua is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

[@fjz8307]

Ask them for a clear proof of three persons in one God. It does not exist. Nowhere does God say ´I am Father, Son and Spirit, one God.´ This is a fact.

[@SmalltimR]

Conspiracy theories are all the same, in-that they are built-up on slight of hand and self-made facts...

[@sudeepm4146]

@@fjz8307 proving trinity exist is as difficult as scientifically proving God exist...if a creation fully comprehend the creator...what kind of creator he will be

[@g45crrt]

The word "trinity" is not in the Bible - more false religion. Jesus' rulership is for 1000 years then he hands over the kingdom to his Father. This is when the three become one and the so-called penned word, false religion "trinity" is - real and it's not real - because they are now one, not three. Notice in verse 28 "that God may be all things to everyone" 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 24 Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. 26 As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing. 27 For [God] “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that it is with the exception of the one who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone. This subject proves that, like 2 Tim 3:1-5 "the people will not agree to anything" they are wicked and love to argue - to get some more narcissistic supply. The people are sick, our whole society is suffering from a severe case of narcissism, and they will argue about anything just to fluff their egos. They learn it from watching Jerry Springer, Court TV, reality TV, late night TV and sick-coms, where all you see is people attacking, insulting and disrespecting one another for the entire 30 minutes or an hour. If the trinity is true or not is not going to change a damn thing in their lives other than give them something to argue about and waste more time and energy on stupidity. Lord have mercy on these wicked people.

[@bible1st]

Jesus did preexist as God the Father, and he even took on the form of a man before being born as Jesus as he was the one speaking with Abraham This is what i see.

[@SmalltimR]

No man has ever seen GOD, nor heard His voice That said, Jesus is not His own Father - that's just silly nonsense - imagine sweating blood for fear of letting yourself down, or telling people you love yourself ...

[@bible1st]

@@SmalltimR You are still carnal minded. You don't really know God now do you? Have you even read the entire bible? How many Holy spirits does God have? Thinking that God is 3 individual persons is silly nonsense usually parroted by those who simply follow the crowd but have no real knowledge of the bible.

[@JudeOne3Four]

@@bible1st There is no such thing as trinity in Scripture *at all.* It is a philosophical concept (not a teaching) pushed on the Scriptures by mainly *abusing* the Gospel of John. The Israelites were no trinitarians and neither were Jesus Christ and the Apostles. They worshipped one God >>> The Father! Can you prove me wrong from the Scriptures?

[@bible1st]

@@JudeOne3Four no because i think the exact same thing as you. everything you said in that last comment i agree with.

[@JudeOne3Four]

@@bible1st No you don't. You just have ZERO proof. @SmalltimR *already* told you that the Son is not His own Father. But according to you people are carnal minded who don't abuse, rape and BUTCHER the english language and grammar? There is not a language in the world that supports your gibberish. 2 John 1:3 Grace, mercy, and peace will be with us FROM God the Father AND FROM Jesus Christ, *the Son of the Father,* in truth and love.

[@grahamtopfuel]

✝️ THE TRINITY DOCTRINE ERROR. ✝️ The Trinity Doctrine (as defined in the Nicean and Athanasius creeds 4th Century) states that God is 3 separate persons. 3 persons = 3 separate beings = 3 God's = Tritheism, and this is NOT biblical. The bible is strictly Monotheistic (Deuteronomy 6:4) and states that God is One Spiritual person and not three persons. The Biblical Trinity is ONE TRANSCENDENT DIVINE SPIRITUAL PERSON (GOD) manifest in 3 different "states of being" as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit but all are still ONE SPIRITUAL person and not 3 as stated in the Athanasius Trinity Doctrine. ✝️ DEFINITIONS: BEING = defined as anything that exists or lives. PERSON = defined as any being that has its own center of consciousness and will, its own intelligence and personality (eg, human person "being" or spiritual person "being"). Therefore, a person is by default ALSO a being. So 3 PERSONS = 3 BEINGS = 3 GODS = Tritheism. This is not an accurate description of the "Biblical Trinity" which is strictly Monotheistic.

[@dok9024]

It seems non trinitarian spend more time talking about the trinity. So what do you believe about God, Jesus and Holy Spirit?

[@grahamtopfuel]

@dok9024 The Father is God. The Son is God. The Holy Spirit is God. They are all the SAME One God or spiritual person, but just manifesting in different forms or " states of being". It's actually very easy to understand.

[@dok9024]

@@grahamtopfuel so one God one person with many faces? I have been studying the trinity and would really like to understand the other side. Are we talking about modalism or something else?

[@dok9024]

@@grahamtopfuel so how does one form of Him die?

[@xrisxros747]

Jesus pre-existed His own birth. This is the surprising revelation of New Testament Scripture. It doesn't have to be rational or dissectable for the human heart just to surrender to the authority of the Word of God.

[@Cato1006]

Nonsense. No longer can the trinitarian persecute, torture or murder their opponents. Now their false ideas are finally being exposed as putrid and erroneous.

[@MichaelTheophilus906]

Matt 1:18-23&25, Matt 2:2, Luke 1:30-35, Luke 2:4-7&21-22, John 3:16

[@JudeOne3Four]

Pre-existence is nowhere to be found in Scripture, only in the minds of 3-nitarians.

[@jesusislord2515]

So I guess this man knows more than the Apostle John? This guy is a wolf in sheeps clothing. False teacher.

[@SmalltimR]

Excellent troll - let's watch and see if anyone bites... - follow Jesus, not men!

[@jesusislord2515]

@@SmalltimR Yes indeed, follow Jesus Christ of Nazareth, who is God. "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59¶Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by" (Holy Bible, King James Version, John 8:58-59). " I and my Father are one" (Holy Bible, King James Version, John 10:30). "1¶In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made" (Holy Bible, King James Version, John 1:1-3). Love in Christ.

[@torahtrucker]

@@jesusislord2515 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24‬:‭36‬

[@MichaelTheophilus906]

John 8.40, John 17.3, John 20.17, Rev 1.5-6, Rev 3.12. Truth from the Apostle John.

[@dazzadizzy5308]

@@jesusislord2515 John 1:1 Jesus was WITH THE GOD (ton THEON) and was a god meaning Jesus was a divine being . You cannot BE the one you are WITH.

[@MRFITTA]

From Genesis to Revelation, God has shown that not only is he always on his throne, Sovereign over the universe; but also enters into his creation, where time and space allow for a tangible recognition of him, and yet his presence fills the entire universe, there is not one spot he is won't be found. God told Israel that he was the only Savior, and that he would gather the nations back to worship him, that he would live among his people, not even just among, but indwell them, and give them a new heart, and mind. He did all this, whilst still remaining where no(human) eye can see him, and his presence is still everywhere. One came, claiming that he knew the Father, had come from the Father, was with him sharing in his glory before the world was created, who said when he was lifted up salvation would come to those who believed in is message, which was given to him by God, the exact words, spoken exactly how they were supposed to be. He was sinless, perfectly keeping Gods requirements, and when the time was right provided a way for man to be saved- through his death and resurrection this is now possible God is the only Savior, Jesus is the only Savior, he saves by the power of his Spirit, the Spirit of God. We can now refer to God as Father, and creator we rightly worship the Son of God as creator The Spirit of God is the one who's power created all things When we refer to the nature of God, its based on what the bible shows clearly, however the whole truth can only be realised by those who are in the truth, who have met the truth Jesus, Savior, creator, and sustainer of all things is the truth, Sir Anthony Buzzard doesn't know him.

[@SmalltimR]

The notion that GOD who is in, and through all things, does not enter into that which He already is - that's just silly reasoning

[@MRFITTA]

@@SmalltimR 'silly reasoning' as you put it comes from the flesh, the carnal mind. You cant understand the nature of God carnally, maybe that's your problem. Heaven - Gods dwelling place is outside of time God is not in all things, Buddhism teaches that lie, the Spirit of God is everywhere, meaning there is no place he cannot see in the universe The bible teaches that all things were made through Christ, not that he is in all things And finally God is holy, and he will not dwell where there is sin, hence the bible account from Genesis to Jesus incarnation. God requires a holy environment for his name to be. under the Mosaic covenant, when Israel were in right relationship with God , the presence of God was in the temple(his name was there) Now having shown the law doesn't work because of us- people, God purifies peoples hearts by the blood of Jesus, making them holy so he can live in the heart.

[@SmalltimR]

@@MRFITTA 'one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in us all' - Eph 4.6 You cannot help anyone, if you yourself do not know the truth. You should read and learn scripture, so that you can take your place in testimony to the truth of GOD. - follow Jesus, not men!

[@MRFITTA]

@@SmalltimR Ephesians 4:6 applies to those who have been born by the Spirit of God, whose hearts have been cleansed and purified by the blood of Christ, that is the "all" Paul is referring to; If you hold to the same error, wrong Jesus, wrong Spirit as what's being preached on here, then it doesn't apply to you. Paul is speaking to the body of Christ-the Son of God who is God, and those who having believed in his blood, are indwelled by the Spirit of Jesus, the church. When people like yourself appeal to "scriptures" you are not appealing to the Spirit inspired word, but rather words which without the Spirit which are dead, just instructions, no life, no power. The sons of God are led by the Spirit of God, you are led by the carnal mind, the flesh, and as a result still under the wrath of God, and Satan's power, that's why you don't understand the nature of God, his Son, the Spirit of Jesus, and the cross. That's why you believe in a 'glorified man' a creation, as opposed to Jesus, Son of God, creator and ruler over all. You must be born again, born by the Spirit of God; Jesus commanded it, but you will not hear the message of God leading to the rebirth here.

[@SmalltimR]

@@MRFITTA Here again, you reveal that you are not in truth, and as the truth finds no place in you; _'can anyone hide himself in secret places so that I can’t see him?, says YHWH, do I not fill heaven and earth?, says YHWH'_ - Jer 23.24 - Satan deceives you, repent of your ways and take your place in testimony of the truth

[@NatanKohen-b3k]

It's the Sun illogical? Because it is a trinity. Are the ray of the sun one with the Sun, yet, diferent, simultaneously? So is the core of the Sun (the planet). God is the cause of all causes: how can something be in the effect that is not in the cause?

[@tdzenda]

It wasn't meant to be logical.

[@roc.dumaroc1971]

I have read several comments. Oh man. What a bunch of arrogant yet ignorant. You want to show that you have understood, while you understand nothing. I am Moroccan and I was Muslim and I praise the Lord Jesus Christ for his grace and love of God for me when I lived in London in 1971. You have heard of salvation, but you have not experienced it, you have heard of Jesus, but you do not know him. It’s incredible that you deliberatly miss this opportunity for you to be saved… I give you this word of the Lord Jesus Christ in the gospel of John to meditate. Jesus said: Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes in him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged, but has passed from death to life. To those who have ears to hear…

[@roc.dumaroc1971]

@@summerhouse8205 Great, at least one have reacted, stupidly, but he or she did. I have nothing to sell, buddy. But I have something precious to give freely. Ask for it and I’ll tell you how you can have it.

[@roc.dumaroc1971]

@@summerhouse8205 what has my family do with this discussion? Look at your own family first before you talk about others families. Did you get it you smart boy or girl?

[@roc.dumaroc1971]

No wonder that a nonsense fellow sees nonsense in the word of God. You are the kind of guy who sees an iceberg and says: what a pretty little mount! Trinity? You too are three in one: body, soul and spirit. But there are also guys who react by instinct like animal.

[@johnmacbride9720]

Wow the spelling in the thumbnail XD

[@Psalm-pu2jq]

I don't understand what you mean? The font is awkward but the spelling seems correct.

[@ejenkins4711]

1 past 2 present 3 future 4 gift to understand ⌚🌹🦍

[@gone54518]

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7

[@jeremytencza6107]

Bro.... The phrase "in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one" was added to 1 John 5:7 in Erasmus' third edition of the Greek New Testament in 1521. This addition is known as the Johannine Comma.

[@SmalltimR]

A well known and false scripture

[@SteveFernandez-hz9iq]

😂

[@JudeOne3Four]

1 John 5:7 is supposed to be the proof text for the trinity doctrine. Well, *these three are one* comes from the Supernal Triad of the Kabbalah tree of life. Even the Triquetra symbol (Triple Goddess) is stolen by Trinitarians to symbolise their fictitious god. Even the footnote tells Tri-nitarians that 1 John 5:7 is a corruption. But no red flags or bells start ringing with these people. The trinity theory is made up out of: corrupted verses and translations, Gnostic philosophy, redefining simple words, using unbiblical terms and a whole lot of fantasy. And mostly abusing the Gospel of John. Catholic-ISM is the most OBVIOUS false religion in the world but this Satanic system still lures people into their doom! It's sad.

[@euston2216]

The doctrine of the Trinity is not only illogical, it's also _evil._ According to the doctrine of the Trinity, the Father and the Son are two distinct persons, which means the Father committed an ABOMlNATlON when he sacrificed his personally distinct Son to die an unimaginably horrifying death on the cross. Thankfully, the evil doctrine of the Trinity does *not* represent the _true_ Father...the Father who _IS_ love...the Father who "came down from heaven" _without leaving heaven,_ and who manifested _himself_ on earth in genuine human form, as _his own_ Son, so that he could lovingly lay down _his own_ life for us, raise _himself_ from the dead, and give eternal life to all who believe on _him_ .......whose _name_ is revealed to be the name which is above _every_ name: *JESUS.*

[@jollygreen63]

No wonder you don't believe this buch of slime, neither do I... Read Daniel 7;13-14 and tell us who is the one like a son of man who shares authority, power, and glory with the Ancient of Days..

[@paulgarduno2867]

Your brain is twisted infected by sabelianism. And you don't even know it 😢 I am sorry for people like you.

[@dok9024]

Why is that an abomination? Wasn’t Abraham directed to sacrifice his own son?

[@euston2216]

@@dok9024 God's directive to Abraham to sacrifice his son was not a command to be fully obeyed, but rather a test to be fully passed. We know it was not a command to be fully obeyed, because God himself stepped in and prevented Abraham from fully obeying it. And *why* did God himself step in and prevent Abraham from fully obeying it? _Because child sacrifice is an ABOMlNATlON._

[@kardiognostesministries8150]

That's because you made your logic into an idol.

[@adamyoung7999]

Logic is lovingly given to us and based in God. Ironically, you’ve made your manmade dogma into an idol.

[@kardiognostesministries8150]

@@adamyoung7999 Jesus is prayed to as being YHWH (Acts 2:21).

[@adamyoung7999]

@@kardiognostesministries8150 when reading that chapter, it is plain to understand the distinction between the Almighty God and Jesus. You are simply wrong in your interpretation.

[@kardiognostesministries8150]

@@adamyoung7999 You dodged Acts 2:21 because it refutes your heresy. Try again.

[@adamyoung7999]

@@kardiognostesministries8150 no, I read the whole chapter of Acts 2 _including Acts 2:21_ . You know, to get a greater context? Nothing about that verse or chapter as a whole implies a triune God. Quite the opposite, in fact. Literally read the next verse Acts 2:22 and your idea of a triune God is refuted.

[@Tracy-Inches]

YHWH = Father Yeshua = Son The spirit, is the Father’s spirit Neither are they three or one. They are who the Bible says they are.

[@dok9024]

So are you saying that the father is a person and son is a person? But not the spirit?

[@Tracy-Inches]

@@dok9024 correct, the spirit is the Father's spirit.

[@dok9024]

@@Tracy-Inches that’s interesting. So then you would be Binitarianist. So I guess Unitarians would still have a problem with you as being polytheistic just as they do with trinitarians. So do you believe in Jesus and father in the same way as trinitarians?

[@xrisxros747]

This is anti-trinitarian nonsense. The scriptures THEMSELVES CONVERT US TO A POSITION OF THE EXISTENCE OF THREE PERSONS existing in the Godhead. You mightn't like it. You may not agree with it. But it is the clear teaching of the New Testament.

[@SmalltimR]

There are no records of anyone worshipping such a god in Bible history - none That said, and as we all know Jesus worshiped in truth, and moreso, that He clearly did not worship a triune god, no true Christian would ever promote a god and doctrine unlike the GOD and doctrine of Christ - thereby revealing such one's as apostates, rather than true followers of Christ - Satan deceives you

[@xrisxros747]

@@SmalltimR .... may I respectfully disagree, smalltimR? The Scriptures convert us into lovers & worshippers of the Christ. The Christ Himself converts us into lovers of the Father. The Christ also teaches us the truth of the Comforter "the One who is like unto Himself", who will "guide us into all truth", and "remind us of all that Christ has spoken", and empower us for holy service, and then SENDS that One He has just taught about, to His fledgling Church. How remarkable is this! Are we not stunned? The Spirit proceeds from the Father AND from the Son. He is not just God's "energy force" or "influence." That is a belittling and depersonalizing view. The Triune God has revealed the glorious truth about Themselves. It is incumbent upon us to submit our hearts, and minds, to the authority of Scripture.

[@SmalltimR]

@@xrisxros747 _'for such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as Christ's apostles. And no wonder, for even Satan masquerades as an angel of light'_ - 2 Cor 11.14 _'false prophets ...false teachers ...secretly bringing in destructive heresies ...many will follow ...the truth will be maligned ...they will exploit you with deceptive words...'_ - 2 Peter 1.1-3 _'...GOD sends them a working of error, that they should believe a lie; that they all might be judged who didn't believe the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness'_ - 2 Thes 2.11

[@YoItsSeah]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@xrisxros747if your last sentence were true you would not listen to the pagan traditions of man and the only thing you have submitted to is your veil of ignorance please consider reading the scriptures🙏

[@Edwardsmolyuk]

thats the problem u need to read the old testament u need a foundation then u will understand. the only reason trinity exists is because u don't have a foundation and if u don't have a foundation then u can believe in anything

[@eelmohamed]

1+1+1= 1 😂😂😂

[@duiffie]

... Jesus is G-d ... ... and the Word was God. ... John 1:1 ... And the Word was made flesh ... and dwelt among us ... John 1:14 ... he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. ... John 3:34 ... God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself ... 2 Corinthians 5:19 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; John 14:9 ... God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. ... John 3:34 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. [9] For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. [10] And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: Colossians 2:8-10 ... .. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus ... 1 Timothy 2:5 ... in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. ... Colossians 2:9 ... Hallelujah!

[@JudeOne3Four]

Jesus is God? Either you are lying or Stephen is lying. So what did Stephen see in Acts 7:55-56?

[@AlanHales-k6i]

How did Anthony Buzzard get to be a "Sir" when he hasn't got the intelligence to understand the Biblical trinity, even when it's been explained to him. Plus, he is wrong about "Echad" in Deut 6: 4. he said it's singular. But it means the Lord is plural. Hear O Israel, the Lord our God (Elohim plural, is One (Echad plural Lord. The Bible and the Biblical Hebrew and Greek clearly teaches the trinity.

[@SmalltimR]

What about Jesus' GOD and doctrine, you ever consider following in His footsteps? - follow Jesus, not men!

[@AlanHales-k6i]

@@SmalltimR unlike you, I do follow the same Jesus. Your god in the Biblical God. Your Jesus isn't the Biblical Jesus.

[@kakabawani4212]

if Jesus was God than why Marry to took him to safe place when jewish King Herod was killing baby Boys under 2 years old .ask yourself He was A Mighty Mesenger of Almighty to Jews.

[@kakabawani4212]

@@summerhouse8205 Moses was Rasool and He was Born as baby .

[@kakabawani4212]

@@summerhouse8205 when Moses was Born his mother put him in Baskit and Moses and Baskit was Ended at pharoahs home and His Wife took Moses .and Jesus was AMighty Prophet of God and He predicted Temple will be Destroyed 70 ce or AD.

[@TakeBack316]

🔥🗣If you do not know the Father and Son as "HIM", you don't know HIM. God is One Spirit who manifest in the flesh, not one of three. Trinitarians, Repent from your false 3-headed god, the Lord is One Lord, One Spirit, and One Body! God is One person, not persons! "Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God?" -Job 13:8 KJV Jesus Christ reveals by revelation the Father/Spirit and Son/flesh as Him, one person who manifest in the flesh. "All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom👉the Son will reveal HIM."👀-Luke 10:22 KJV "God is👉a Spirit: and they that worship👉HIM must worship HIM👈 in spirit and in truth." -John 4:24 KJV "HIM" manifest in the flesh as the Son and is called the Son of God, not God the Son but the Son of God because God is a Spirit and is more than a man of flesh. "The first man is of the earth, earthy;👉the second man is👉the Lord from heaven." -1 Corinthians 15:47 KJV Jesus Christ is that Spirit known as "HIM" in John 4:24 above who is God our Father who is ABOVE ALL and manifest in the flesh as the Son and was in heaven and on earth at the same time. Jesus Christ, the Son of man said while on earth that He was also in heaven "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." -John 3:13 KJV Jesus Christ is One Spirit, the Spirit who is our Father in John 4:24 known as "HIM" and One body of flesh. Spirit came forth from Spirit and there is only 1 Spirit, not 2 or 3! "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is ABOVE ALL, and THROUGH ALL, and IN YOU ALL." Ephesians 4:4-6KJV "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." -John 3:6 KJV "By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;" -Hebrews 10:20 KJV "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." -John 6:63 KJV We are to consider that which is born of flesh, flesh. Jesus Christ did not do the will of His flesh but always glorified the Spirit. There is only One Spirit and that One Holy Spirit came fashioned as a man. Philippians 2:8 King James Version 8 "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. 10 For it became him,👉for WHOM ARE ALL THINGS, and by WHOM ARE ALL THINGS,👀in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings." -Hebrews 2:9-10 KJV That is why the scriptures say in Ephesians 4:4-6 that there is One body and One Spirit. Father/Spirit and Son/flesh = One body and One Spirit = One Lord!👑 Spirit & Body = Father and Son! "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." -1 John 5:8 KJV 1 Spirit + 1 Body = 1 Lord!👑 God is the Father and Son! Father/Spirit & Son/flesh! This is an understanding: Jesus Christ is not a man but is the Spirit who is God fashioned as a man having all the rights of being a man because He was born of water and blood and it is the Spirit that beareth witness of who He is, because the Spirit is truth. God is One person Spirit and Body, not 3 persons in 1! "Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God?" -Job 13:8 KJV Jesus is the same person/Spirit He was before He was born before He was born flesh, which is why, "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." -John 8:58 KJV Notice how the Spirit of God is interchangeable with the Spirit of Christ because it's the same 1 Spirit! "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that👉the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the👉Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." -Romans 8:9 KJV "Now the👉Lord is that Spirit: and where👉the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as👉by the Spirit of the Lord." -2 Corinthians 3:17-18 KJV👑 Jesus Christ is that Spirit known as "HIM" in John 4:24 who is ABOVE ALL, and THROUGH ALL, and IN YOU ALL in Ephesians 4:4-6 and HE that Holy Spirit known as "HIM" manifest in the flesh as in came fashioned as a man and that is why Jesus Christ said that He was the comforter when He said, "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." -John 14:18 KJV "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." -John 20:28 KJV Colossians 1:27 “To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of glory:” What is the name of the Spirit in you? "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that👉Jesus Christ is in you,👀except ye be reprobates?" -2 Corinthians 13:5 KJV John said, "He that cometh from above is ABOVE ALL: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is ABOVE ALL." -John 3:31 KJV Jesus Christ said, "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I AM FROM ABOVE: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins. 25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning." -John 8:23-25 KJV So what did the Word of God say from the beginning? "Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I AM HE: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me." -Isaiah 43:10 KJV "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I AM HE; I am the first, I also am the last." -Isaiah 48:12 KJV Isaiah 52:6 King James Version 6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I AM HE that doth speak: behold, it is I." -Isaiah 52:6 KJV "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." -Matthew 1:23 KJV "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor,👉The mighty God,👉The everlasting Father,👀 The Prince of Peace." -Isaiah 9:6 KJV "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." -Hebrews 13:8 KJV “One God --->and

[@TakeBack316]

If Jesus Christ is the Father did Jesus Christ pray to Himself?🤷‍♂ The answer is not a simple yes or no but is an understanding because if the answer is a simple yes or no the answer would be yes and no. As a man of flesh who suffered the weakness of the flesh the man Jesus Christ is to be considered flesh because the scriptures say, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." -John 3:6 KJV So the view of the Father and Son relationship must be one as of the Spirit who is known as our heavenly Father who is above all, is over and above all flesh, A.K.A. those born of water and blood. And as flesh, the man Jesus Christ was tempted in every way as we are tempted and drew strength from His own heavenly Spirit above who is ABOVE ALL, and as flesh, the man Jesus Christ set the example for us as a man teaching us how to pray to that Great Holy Spirit who is ABOVE ALL whose name is Jesus even though the man Jesus Christ was from above and was ABOVE ALL. Therefore Jesus Christ who came from above who was above all was in heaven and earth at the same time and even told us so. John 3:13 King James Version 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." Hebrews 10:20 King James Version 20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;" John 6:51 King James Version 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world." 1 Timothy 3:16 King James Version 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." 1 John 5:20 King James Version 20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life." 🔥The Father/Spirit and Son/flesh relationship.✝ "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." -John 3:6 KJV 🙏To understand the Father and Son relationship we must understand that Jesus Christ speaks as a man of flesh and always points to the Spirit above because the Spirit above is ABOVE ALL and is always greater than flesh. But Jesus Christ is truly that Holy Spirit from above who is ABOVE ALL, and THROUGH ALL, and IN YOU All and is God our Father who manifest in the flesh as the scriptures declare that He came fashioned as a man and as a man Jesus Christ cannot directly claim that He is God because that would show God a man when God is not a man but a single Holy Spirit from above who is ABOVE ALL, and THROUGH ALL, and IN YOU All and much more than a man of flesh but Jesus Christ does tell us INDIRECTLY many times that He is our Father even referring to us as sons and daughters. 👑Indirectly Jesus claims to be God, the🔥Father, and the✝Son/Christ.👇 "And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God." -Mark 10:18 🐑"I am the good shepherd:👈👉the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep." -John 10:11 KJV👑 "Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me." -John 12:44-45 KJV "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?" -John 14:6-9 KJV God is a single person/Spirit, not person's! "Will ye accept👉his person?👀will ye contend for God?" -Job 13:8 KJV "HIM", not them is our Father! "God is👉a Spirit: and they that worship👉HIM must worship HIM👈in spirit and in truth." -John 4:24 KJV "HIM" manifest in the flesh as the Son because God is more than a man. "The first man is of the earth, earthy;👉the second man is👉the Lord from heaven." -1 Corinthians 15:47 KJV God is the Father/Spirit and Son/flesh! "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." -John 3:6 KJV That is why Jesus Christ said, "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." -John 6:63 KJV Spirit came forth from Spirit and there is only 1 Spirit known as "HIM", not them! One Spirit and One Body = One Lord! "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God --->and

[@livemusic]

So you are a modalist?

[@livemusic]

As a modalist, you too are a Trinitarian. God never morphed into a man. There is the Father, his spirit and his son who was a man. Christ is currently serving as high priest in heaven as he atones for sins with his worship of the Father. And the spirit of the Father is still present among us on earth.

[@hajiabdulrahman3105]

the maths is not right .

[@richiejourney1840]

It isn’t? This is what the Bible teaches: 1 x 1 x 1 = 1.

[@hajiabdulrahman3105]

@@richiejourney1840 maths deception

[@hajiabdulrahman3105]

@@richiejourney1840 no wonder your Pope runs away

[@patrickkrueger8768]

You make a good try .but make inferior pay for the debt of what is superior, make a chunk of coal pay for what only gold can buy . Then how do you resolve He was the first born of EVERY creature in 4BC ? It’s true the trinity don’t work either. What does work is the image of God , The Godhead . The Father of Life passing That Life through the Mother of all living That He say is One and begets their only Son And than They created man in their image.

[@SmalltimR]

Wow, talk about about a load of rubbish. I mean, this stuff comes straight out of a donkey ass ...

[@dok9024]

So who is the mother of all living?

[@patrickkrueger8768]

@@dok9024 I would have to say ,the mother of the first born of every creature , and the one Adam named his wife after because they Were made in let Us make man in Our image and likeness. Gen 3:20, Col.1:15 , because that is where born comes from in reality, “ for the invisible things of him are CLEARLY SEEN,being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that we are without excuse.”Ro1:20

[@jakejones4801]

Phillipians 2: 7 “He (Jesus) emptied Himself by taking on the form of a bond servant, and being born in the likeness of men.” Jesus existed before He was born, He eternally pre- existed. Please brothers, investigate the incarnation, look at the claims Jesus made of Himslef and the claims of His followers, no mere prophet, or even a mighty man of God could have said the things Jesus said. Revelation 5:13 “and I heard EVERY CREATED THING which is in heaven, or on the earth, or under the earth, or on the sea, and ALL THE THINGS in them said “To HIM who sits on the throne AND TO THE LAMB be the blessing, the honor, the glory, and the dominion forever and ever.” All CREATED things worship The Father…..AND THE LAMB. If Jesus is not God, then anyone who worships Him as an exalted man, gives worships due to GOD ALONE….to a man. My prayers are for you, see the beauty of the Triune God of the scriptures

[@JudeOne3Four]

The trinity (concept of 3 in 1) is an ancient occult concept which the Catholic Church adopted from the mystery schools. The RCC is nothing more than the continuation of the mystery religions. All the signs, symbols, rituals, feasts, statues ect are present but unfortuantely, most people are *ignorant* about the occult. That is why their trinity diagram is in a triangle. It is called the Supernal Triad or the Triangle of Divinity.👇 Contrary to what many people think, *the all-seeing eye* in Christian art *is not* a Masonic symbol but represents *the all-seeing eye of the omnipotent God,* who sees all things. When surrounded *by a triangle,* *it symbolizes* THE TRINITY. (catholic/qa/gods-all-seeing-eye-isnt-masonic) Now *these three are one,* KETHER - CHOKMAH - BINAH, and they form the first Triad of *the Tree of Life,* which is called the SUPERNAL TRIAD. The second Triad was *derived* from this by REFLEXION, for as *these Three are One,* so this *"One-in-Three"* again reflected Itself, reversing as in a mirror. Thus we obtain *two further Sephiroth harmonized in a third.* (spellsandmagic/supernal-triad/chapter-one.html ) 3-nitarians worship Satan in the form of a fictitious triune being.

[@grahamtopfuel]

✝️✝️✝️ THE BIBLICAL TRINITY Pattern. God is One Spiritual Person who has eternally manifested in 3 “STATES OF BEING” (referred to as manifestations in the bible). God is never described as 3 separate persons in the Bible. As God is spirit (John 4:24) we therefore only have one Omnipresent , all powerful Spirit who has the ability to reveal Himself in different ways throughout the Bible namely as the Father, the Son (Logos) and the Holy Spirit (Also as the Angel of the Lord, in Old Testament). If you say the father, Son and Holy Spirit are 3 separate spiritual persons (like in the Trinity Doctrine implies), then you have 3 Gods, which is Tritheism and this is not Biblical. It's very easy to understand. A) the Holy Spirit is just the Spirit of God not another spirit or person. B) the Son is just God in "Flesh", but the full Spirit of God lives within the body of Christ, so Christ is the same supreme spiritual person as God NOT another person. The bible is strictly Monotheistic and this means God is only ONE spiritual person. The Bible never ever says God is 3 persons. NOTE: Just because the Father, Son and Holy Spirit share the same Divine essence (Greek = Homoousios) DOES NOT make them One God. You and me both share the same “human essence” and “human nature”, but that does not make us one "human" This is a philosophical idea that was included into the early Roman Catholic Trinity Doctrine to address the key problem of the Trinity Model which states that God is 3 separate persons = 3 Gods = polytheism. GOD IS ONE BECAUSE HE IS ONE SPIRITUAL PERSON (strict monotheism), not because they share the same divine essence.

[@leelush1135]

I am a parent, a professional, and a cyclist and yet one person.

[@grahamtopfuel]

@leelush1135 yes but the Trinity Doctrine says God is 3 persons ???

[@dok9024]

So do you believe in modalism? One God expressed in three forms?

[@grahamtopfuel]

@dok9024 Both Modalism and Trinitarianism are completely incorrect. The Bible does not say that God changes form or changes modes, nor does it say God is 3 separate persons. Rather God is one single omnipresent spiritual person but reveals Himself in different "States of Being"

[@dok9024]

@@grahamtopfuel so is Jesus just a mirage? Or is he God the father? What does it mean to be son of God? So when Jesus prays to His father, is he praying to himself?

[@Dark-Sentences]

Jesus spoke as if he knew Abraham who lived centuries earlier. John 8:57-58 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, *I Am.* Jesus has no beginning and no end, God simply IS. Jesus is the great *I Am.*

[@johncena12366]

@@Dark-Sentences Noah existed before Abraham, is he a god?

[@Dark-Sentences]

@@johncena12366 Noah had a beginning and an end. Like You. God IS. He's outside of time. If he wasn't he wouldn't be God.

[@jiohdi]

Exodus 3:14 has God saying I am that I am (LXX Ego Eimi Ho on ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν I am the eternal one) but does not say tell them Ego Eimi(I AM) has sent you, but rather HO ON(The ETERNAL one) has sent you... all the authors of the NT used the LXX or Septuagint as their OT source material, if they wanted to say Jesus was Identifying with the I AM of Exodus they would have used Ho On not Ego eimi

[@Dark-Sentences]

@@jiohdi You can cling on to whatever interpretation comforts you to support your wish that Christ isn't God. He is God. Jesus wraps up the last book of the Bible by making his identity crystal clear and beyond dispute. Revelation 22:13 *I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.* That doesn't leave any room for your, "well it doesn't mean what you think. It means what I want it to mean." It means he's God. Here's Isaiah 44:6 Thus says the LORD, the King and Redeemer of Israel, the LORD of Hosts: "I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God but Me. And Isaiah 48:12 Listen to Me, O Jacob, and Israel, whom I have called: I am He; I am the first, and I am the last. Compare with Christ in Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

[@jiohdi]

@@Dark-Sentences yes Jesus does make crystal clear exactly who he is he says I am the bright and Morning Star a lesser Divine being. not God Revelation 22:16

[@JoseTarrayo-m7t]

Brilliant pagans mind creates the doctrine of the trinity inspired by the spirit of the father of lies. Trinity is a doctrine of lies. There is only one true God, the Father and God of our Lord Jesus Christ.

[@richiejourney1840]

No…One True Elohim…plurality in singularity.

[@JoseTarrayo-m7t]

@@richiejourney1840 Isaiah 40:25

[@dok9024]

Then who is Jesus?

[@martinmartin6300]

​@@dok9024Jesus is the son of God, the appointed and anointed king who is coming back to rule over the world with the saints and who is the judge of the living and and the dead appointed by God. Read the bible and find out who Jesus is. Trinitarians "somehow feel" that Jesus must be God because there would, in their minds, be no substance to the faith but this is far from true. In fact, it is only when you accept that Jesus is NOT God that the scriptures are suddenly perfectly harmoneous and everything fits together so beautifully. Unfortunately, there are very few who are interested in the truth and there are very few who are willing to question their points of views or traditions whatsoever. The latter is.often because of fear. Bit when it comes to you, consider yourself warned!

[@dok9024]

@@martinmartin6300 you have not answered the question. Who is Jesus? If he is not God then he is a creature like the rest of us? Is he human? Is he human with superpower? Is he an angel? If Jesus is not God then we have no business in worshipping the created. That’s called idolatry is it not?

[@matswinther8991]

No, the doctrine of the Trinity is *not* illogical. In fact, it is ingenious. See: "'Turtles all the way down' : The Unity of the Trinity as Eternal Regress in the Godhead".

[@thomas.bobby.g2918]

It's funny how folks that want to be dogmatic and technical about their god can't seem to understand that human cognition itself it demonstrably trinitarian. Why is it that only Tuggy understands there is not "A" trinity but "trinities". Why not put a fresh coat of paint on your hobby horse and say "Hypostatic Unionism" is false.

[@simonskinner1450]

The only holy Trinity is in Jesus, as Col 2:9 "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily ", a man revealing his Father, and imbued with his Spirit. Good video.

[@TheFightingSheep]

That just means that Jesus is fully God. But God isn't Jesus, and there is no trinity. Son of God, NOT God the Son.

[@aaronsanchez3141]

You mean unholy trinity. You need to stop using king James version.

[@simonskinner1450]

@@TheFightingSheep No Jesus impersonated his Father, he said when you see him you see the Father, hence impersonation. As John 3:5 you must receive the Sporit as Jesus did, else as John 3:13 no MAN could go to heaven, and Jesus was in heaven when John wrote his commentary.

[@simonskinner1450]

@@aaronsanchez3141 Then I would be a lost soul. holy not Holy, as humans can be Holy, without being Holy.

[@TheFightingSheep]

@@simonskinner1450 Jesus wasn't a fraud, actor or impersonator, he is God revealed in the flesh. But he wasn't in heaven while he was on earth either, that's some Byzantine fabricated nonsense. He's the Son of God, not God the Son.

[@AlanHales-k6i]

21st Century reformation, Anthony Buzzard must be embarrassed beyond measure at his ignorance of the Bible, which clearly teaches the trinity.

[@MichaelTheophilus906]

Show us, please.

[@AlanHales-k6i]

@@MichaelTheophilus906 Gen 1: 26. Gen 3: 22. Gen 11: 7. Isaiah 6: 8. Matt 28: 19. Jn 14: 16--17. 2 Cor 13: 14. 1 J. 5: 7.

[@simonskinner1450]

You cannot be saved with a trinitarian view, but no that of Christianity, as we do need the Father, Son and Spirit for baptism, judgement and resurrection.

[@paulgarduno2867]

Did you mention : (Triniy) God = Father, Son, and Spirit Essential for salvation??

[@simonskinner1450]

@@paulgarduno2867 Without the Father you cannot be baptised with Spirit, without the Son you cannot be judged, and without the Spirit you cannot be raised.

[@kodangikomali4905]

God is beyond all logic. NT explicitly reveals triune God.

[@MichaelTheophilus906]

In your imagination.

[@Psalm-pu2jq]

Who told you God is not logical?

[@paulgarduno2867]

Until Trinity foes give a definition of what the Triniy is: Every attack against the Triniy is a joke.

[@MichaelTheophilus906]

Please tell us what the trinity is.

[@dok9024]

Most non trinitarian have so much to say about the trinity. Please help me understand your non trinitarian view in detail. Are you basically modalists? Do you believe Jesus was created?

[@dok9024]

Why do so many anti trinitarians have so much to say about trinitarians? But hesitant to say what they believe? I’m not asking as an anti antitriniarian.

[@SmalltimR]

While Jesus is never attributed with creation Himself, the scriptures reveal He was in-effect born of GOD. With that being said, and as Proverbs identifies GOD's wisdom personified in eternity past with GOD(YHWH), and where Jesus is identified as GOD's Wisdom, we can therefore conclude that the only begotten son was not subject to creation, as with all things in creation, but moreso, that His origins as is His source, precedes the beginning spoken-of in Genesis.

[@dok9024]

@@SmalltimR so how do you read John 1:3 (LSB) All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

[@SmalltimR]

​@@dok9024 We read it from the beginning, just as it was intended to be read...

[@dok9024]

@@SmalltimR are you saying the word was not in reference to Jesus?

[@InterestedInDansk]

John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God; the only Son,[b] who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known John 3: 27 John answered, “No one can receive anything except what is given him from heaven. 28 You yourselves bear me witness

[@11304800]

The real Jesus in the scriptures is the only begotten son of God. Who is under the authority of God, the father first Corinthians 11 three. God is over Christ. if God is over Christ, then Christ is not God.

[@mohdnorsyarafiabdullah3144]

Jesus can never be god.jesus is just human.god can be in him but Jesus never become god