Was Jon Snow a Targaryen for Nothing? (No: Here's Why) | ASOIAF & Game of Thrones

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Kevin Pendragon

Kevin Pendragon

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In this weeks discussion, I go over Jon Snow's Targaryen heritage. Jon learns late in Game of Thrones that he is actually the trueborn son of Prince Rhaegar Targaryen and Lady Lyanna Stark of Winterfell. This makes him an heir to the Iron Throne with a claim stronger than Daenerys. But Jon never claims the throne. Daenerys destroys King's Landing and Drogon destroys the Iron Throne. There's nowhere and nothing from Jon to rule from. Jon kills Dany is is sent into exile. But just because the Hidden Heir didn't claim the queen and the throne, doesn't mean Jon was Targaryen for nothing.
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@0bskureference
@0bskureference 7 ай бұрын
Parappa!!! Top notch reference
@washingtoncommandcenter5541
@washingtoncommandcenter5541 7 ай бұрын
Glad I'm not the only one whose brain heard that and thought "If you wanna test me, I'm sure you'll find, That all the things I'll teach ya is sure to beat ya Nevertheless you'll get a lesson from teacher now"
@pantsonparade
@pantsonparade 7 ай бұрын
Jon should have been named Aejon, because then Jon would make sense as his fake name, it would be funny, and he has a half brother already named Aegon Targaryen.
@oneiromancer9198
@oneiromancer9198 7 ай бұрын
would be funny, but theres no way it’s anything but Aemon ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@joeysalazar98
@joeysalazar98 7 ай бұрын
@@oneiromancer9198Jaehaerys would have actually been pretty good.
@oneiromancer9198
@oneiromancer9198 7 ай бұрын
@@joeysalazar98 yeah, but there’s no real connection between jon and any jaehaerys in the books that i know of. Jon used to pretend to be Aemon the Dragonknight and was mentored by Maester Aemon. I like the name jaehaerys more in general though
@lordruin7741
@lordruin7741 6 ай бұрын
had
@rraw6282
@rraw6282 2 ай бұрын
other aegon is probably a blackfyre
@nicki7919
@nicki7919 5 ай бұрын
Love your commentary lol
@robstewartstewart98
@robstewartstewart98 2 ай бұрын
8:04-9:13 YES! YES! I KEEP SAYING THIS ONLINE! I....kinda get pushback when I try to interpret Jon's role this way.
@ilijas3041
@ilijas3041 7 ай бұрын
Jon did a lot of impactful things in a fight against the others. If it wasnt for him trying so hard to impress Cersei by hunting for living dead, and impress everyone else by fighting instead of just jumping on the dragons back, the fight against White Walkers would still have been boring, the world protected behind the walls magic, and most of the North still alive. That would be such a non story, but Jon is so brilliant, he saved us all and gave us the proper story. Because stories are whats important, as we learned eventually in the shiw, not being alive and safe. That wall had to go down, only a true hero can accomplish that. Jon is that hero
@668771
@668771 7 ай бұрын
Huh? John's character was completely destroyed. He should have ruled the Iron Throne, he will in the books.
@jsull81
@jsull81 7 ай бұрын
I could see Howland using a blow dart to kill Arthur, but my head cannon is that he used a spear & net to subdue him for a second, (like Meera does to Summer), just long enough for Ned to deliver the killing blow
@ratgirl34
@ratgirl34 7 ай бұрын
How long has Bowser been in the intro? That’s priceless! I usually just listen, so I probably missed it a lot.
@KevinPendragon
@KevinPendragon 7 ай бұрын
Just this video. It's usually Vermithor but I just got the new Mario and when I saw Bowser do that... I knew what I must do lol
@ratgirl34
@ratgirl34 7 ай бұрын
@@KevinPendragon Super glad I saw it then.
@bclr6843
@bclr6843 4 ай бұрын
Kinda digging this channel
@DevonMostert-kk2et
@DevonMostert-kk2et 7 ай бұрын
Jon joining the KingsGuard, never thought about that kinda like Aemon the Dragon knight. Jon use to play Aemon when he was Training with Rob.
@KevinPendragon
@KevinPendragon 7 ай бұрын
It would have been a decent solution
@paauggie
@paauggie 4 ай бұрын
absolutely fascinating....thankyou for posting :) liked and subscribed and very much looking forward to watching more of your content.
@thelaughingstormbornagain1297
@thelaughingstormbornagain1297 3 ай бұрын
Great video but my only pushback is that you said it doesn't matter who kills the night king but people were clearly disappointed with Arya doing it. So that says there's unsatisfactory choices so it does matter and someone more satisfying to the overall story could make the choice more satisfying.
@counterspellgoon6854
@counterspellgoon6854 7 ай бұрын
King, glad to see you again.
@KevinPendragon
@KevinPendragon 7 ай бұрын
Aye thanks for coming back. Hope you enjoy this one (even though my points are a bit scattered)
@amberroy7521
@amberroy7521 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for making the ending of the show make a little more sense.
@thepaulieG82
@thepaulieG82 7 ай бұрын
Loved the channeling of Vaemond with the bastard emphasis lol
@macklee2491
@macklee2491 3 ай бұрын
Honestly Yes, because Sam revealing, who he was never really amounted to anything besides more suffering.
@polishherowitoldpilecki5521
@polishherowitoldpilecki5521 6 ай бұрын
I hope so. But I don’t think George would’ve given him a happy ending.
@chables74
@chables74 7 ай бұрын
Algormancy!
@KevinPendragon
@KevinPendragon 7 ай бұрын
🙏🏾
@leedleen9034
@leedleen9034 2 ай бұрын
Yea then he was driven back to Castle Black.. But maybe it will have a story afterwards in the books..
@havok6280
@havok6280 6 ай бұрын
Jon isn’t the only one who could get past Drogon. Grey Worm, Jorah, Missende, even Dario were close enough to kill Dany. The Arya coming north for Jon point is correct though.
@jgr7487
@jgr7487 7 ай бұрын
I imagine Howland Reed used a net, as a "foomp" would have easily hit parts of the armor the dart is unable to go through. Besides all of that, Jon is currently dead, & no one in ASOIAF's Westeros (maybe in GOT's) would support an Undead to be king.
@KevinPendragon
@KevinPendragon 7 ай бұрын
That's even better
@connor5187
@connor5187 7 ай бұрын
Drogon letting him by because he’s a Targaryen is a) not confirmed and b) a stupid payoff for such a big plot. No it does not matter at all in the show. Jon being Targaryen was done because it’ll be done in the books where it will actually mean something
@abigail6873
@abigail6873 6 ай бұрын
agreed, I think Drogon let him by because "dragons are smart and know which people are mommy's friends". Besides, following the logic of "Targaryen = dragons will be nice to you", negates the multiple instances of Dragon on enemy Targaryen violence we've seen in Dance of the Dragons.
@EpicDoodlingAndStuff
@EpicDoodlingAndStuff 7 ай бұрын
5:20 master onion sneaking in there
@Ilargizuri
@Ilargizuri 6 ай бұрын
I can't imagine that the Stuff that happens in the Show in the last Season, happens in the Books. Mostly because I think Daenerys dies without burning KL in the Books, it just makes more sense in the Books if she comes to Westeros after Kings Landing is burned. And I don't think Jon will be punished by being exiled beyond the Wall, because the Wall will be gone, it was created because the Others existed, so if there is no Reason for the Wall to stand, the Magic of it will vanish and the Icy Wall will melt down. It will need Time, but it will also collapse at some Places. Also, there are probably no more CotF beyond the Wall that have much to do with Human Civilization developing in the Lands beyond the Wall and Places like Hardhome will start to be built in the Lands beyond the Wall. Sure some of the Free Folk will stay true to their nomadic way of Life, but slowly that will change and more and more people will start to build Villages. Some of the Free Folk already do this during the last Book after Jon lets them go through the Wall and settle in the Gift. So Jon won't be exiled, because the Way stuff happens in the Show, won't happen in the Books. Jon won't be exiled, he will stay in Winterfell, with Sansa and Rikkon. He will help them to develop a good relationship with the Free Folk, and he will be a mediator between the Kneelers and the Free Folk. Because Rikkon was partially raised by Asha, but he is still a Kid, Jon on the other Hand is at least a Teenager, not much better, but a little bit better. Jon knows how to talk to the Free Folk, and Sansa knows how to talk with the Kneelers. Rikkon will need them both as his educators because the Iron Throne and the Seven Kingdoms won't exist anymore, Bran will become the eternal King a Godlike Figure and will stay probably on the Isle of Faces.
@ayiza8511
@ayiza8511 7 ай бұрын
In the show it meant nothing expect a quick cheap comport whit Dany that probably happened whit out anyone knowing Jon was a Targaryen or snow.
@ayiza8511
@ayiza8511 7 ай бұрын
Honestly the duel wielding was not the only thing that was disappointing in that scene. They also smushed Whent and Hightower into one person.. and I really doubt Jon’s name is Ageon that’s just crazy.. Rhegar had a son that was named Ageon already. Bet his name is Aemon or Jeaherys
@redbricks1240
@redbricks1240 7 ай бұрын
That way of looking at it actually makes sense. I don't mind the series ending that much it just needed more time and writers who care lol. Unfortunately a lot of people (dumb people) watched this show thinking Jon is your basic white magical golden boy who gets the crown in the end and thats literally the thing Martin will NEVER write LIKE THATS HIS MAIN THING PEOPLE. Thank you for sharing Kevin
@KevinPendragon
@KevinPendragon 7 ай бұрын
You get it! 🙏🏾
@Captain_Insano_nomercy
@Captain_Insano_nomercy 7 ай бұрын
One of the reasons that I think Jon is Ned's true born firstborn son with Ashara Dayne. It makes his story so tragic and ironic that he's the rightful heir to winterfell, but he is made to believe he's a bastard and has no place
@redbricks1240
@redbricks1240 7 ай бұрын
@@Captain_Insano_nomercy I like the tinfoil theory that he is Brandons bastard cause that will unironically make him lord of Winterfell but Brandon sadly ate shit before he could father Jon and i dnk why Ned would lie about it even if he didn't
@awter.they-it
@awter.they-it 7 ай бұрын
I love how currently all of the current throne claimants are all linked to the idea of legitimaized bastards: Jon - I doubt that Rhaegar invented divorce and that his case would be genuinely accepted by most people, which would still make jon a bastard. However, if Robb's will makes him a Stark, he would be a legitimaized bastard. Aegon VI - The Most Obvious examppe on this list, high chance that he may be a Blackfyre, a legmitimaized (Targaryen) bastard. Danaerys - ok yeas currently the weakest on this list, however, given how strong lemongate is, there is a chance that Danaerys MIGHT turn out to be a (Targaryen) bastard, legitimaized via Vaserys making her his heir (I assume it would result in an automatic legitimaizing as it seems pretty weird not to, but also it's def a weird edge case regardless) Stannis - He himself isn't a bastard (probably and most likely) but post conquest house baratheon was formed by the union with a the lady durrandon (storm lords) and Orys Baratheon, childhood friend of Aegon I, and potentially a legitimaized dragonseed (a legitimaized (Targaryen) bastard) (Suprisingly this one is somehow even weaker than Daenerys depending on your view's, as there is no way to fully trust the sources given to us on this info regarding Orys in Fire and Blood) - Bryden Targaryen: eveyone forgets that Mr Rivers is technically legitimaized and can go ahead and make a claim if he wished (might even pass his claim onto Bran, explaining how on earth people woulf vote for him) -Euron Greyjoy: He is a Legit Bastard, not by blood, but by morals
@KevinPendragon
@KevinPendragon 7 ай бұрын
I am harsh critically of Daenerys while still very much being a fan of the character, but I would be so let down if she learned she was a bastard. There's something wrong with her memories but I hope it's more along the lines of... the home should thought wth the red door was not what she remembered. And not that she's a bastard with no real claim. It would feel... anticlimactic? If that's the best word for it. I could accept Jon not being a Targ but Dany? Not Dany... not like this...
@awter.they-it
@awter.they-it 7 ай бұрын
@@KevinPendragon I honestly can't wait for Dani to realise that lemogate is prob real and here childhood memories are messy NOT because we can then be like "oooo she's a blackfyre or a dragonseed or a celtigar", but because DANAERYS will be the one trying to work though those emotions, trying to reconcile all the possibilities concerning who she is, kind of like how no matter what WE think about prophecy that Dany receives, all that matters is how DANAERYS thinks about it and how much she's willing to let that influence her future decisions. TL;DR I need more George, the wait is beginning to hollow me, i genuinely believe that Aegon will marry Margery after Varys pushes Tommen out a window during Cersei's trail to free her up. Pls George, help 😔
@user-ks2iw4hs1e
@user-ks2iw4hs1e 14 күн бұрын
I think he’s blood of the dragon but also pointless in the show. I’m the books I’m thinking he’s still the one to beat the knight king but perhaps not sit on the throne that’s reserved for young griff
@user-ys1py3nd7n
@user-ys1py3nd7n 7 ай бұрын
Why didn’t Ned ever tell Cat of all people not too tell her and let her live with that over them. Really shows the love Ned had for his sister
@shaycase1834
@shaycase1834 7 ай бұрын
I think Jon is rhaegar and lyannas son but it’s not 100% in the books. I just want the book to get finished so we can definitively know one way or the other. I seriously doubt his birth given name will be aegon in the books because rhaegar already had a son named rhaegar with Elia from dorne. I don’t think Daenerys will survive the story but I don’t think Jon’s gonna execute her the same way. I think it’ll be deeper like a sacrifice to bring the dawn. It’ll serve some magical purpose
@christianayers622
@christianayers622 6 ай бұрын
Dany gets killed by John because he is adorable again and she is Nissa Nissa. He kills her in order to kill the white walkers or something. I hope Dany has a baby before she dies.
@ayiza8511
@ayiza8511 7 ай бұрын
If that’s Jon ending in the books that’s just disappointing I would have been happy if ended up remaining the king of the north or if he even ended up being happy but nope he was just sent back to his starting point a nameless bastard in the nights watch. I honestly think if Jon was told earlier he was a Targaryen the story would have changed similarly if Dany had accepted him as family not king but as her kin. The obvious solution wad right there get married and rule together she gets the north end river lands for the price of a Targaryen husband the past Targaryens would have killed for a opportunity like that they were all about keeping the bloodline pure
@Anthony_Gx
@Anthony_Gx 7 ай бұрын
😂 a BASTARD! every time you say that word with so much passion
@mistermaestersirthomas9164
@mistermaestersirthomas9164 7 ай бұрын
Aegon and Jon are the same name different cultures. Ned could have also named him: Sean, Shawn, Jack, or y’know Jaqen in Lorathi and it would still be Aegon.
@BeardMarketingSolutions
@BeardMarketingSolutions 7 ай бұрын
Dumb question- what game is this.
@KevinPendragon
@KevinPendragon 7 ай бұрын
The Game of Thrones. Please keep up
@BeardMarketingSolutions
@BeardMarketingSolutions 7 ай бұрын
@@KevinPendragon thanks. Never played the game so was not sure but due to this video, I think I need to. :-) big fan of the books and show, so sounds good.
@knivesmillions2913
@knivesmillions2913 7 ай бұрын
I think you missed the point people were saying it didn't matter in the sense that it was pointless overall (just like the Azor Ahai prophecy and the Maggie the frog prophecy of a brother strangling a sister) no one is denying that it had a ripple effect. Also Jon being exiled and not being King is really stupid in my opinion... similar to Young Griff and Egg, Jon was basically groomed for leadership on the throne. Look at his mentor figures who imparted wisdom on to him Ned Stark (a man renown for his honor and taught jon Justice), Aemon Targaryen (a wise and intelligent man who taught Jon to have unwavering Duty to a cause larger than himself), Geor Mormont (Taught him how to take command and he showed that at the battle of Castle Black), Qhorin Halfhand (taught him to do anything to complete the task at hand even if that means killing an ally), Mance Raider (taught jon that there is more to people than meets the eye i.e living amongst the wildlings...his prejudices about them were gone after this. So once he rules we may see Westeros become a melting pot), Stannis Baratheon (no need to explain this one). This is why I hope George doesn't use the show ending for Jon, here you have a character who will be arguably the best king in Westeros' History and you decide to get rid of all of that development just to "subvert expectations" and send him into exile? The very least make his rulership being that he oversaw the reconstruction of Westeros after the War of the five kings, Sacking of Kings Landing, and the Others invasion of the continent.
@KevinPendragon
@KevinPendragon 7 ай бұрын
The magical elements (Jon's resurrection, for example) not mattering are a completely different topic and warrants its own video. I agree on that much. I do believe the writers even said they weren't interested in the magical aspects of the story which is a huge problem But I still stand by the opinion Jon's parentage still mattered in the end
@reaper420hz
@reaper420hz 7 ай бұрын
i have been wondering why ned would let jon snow go to the wall, with ned always doing the right thing why would he let jon who is the son of his sister and is targaryn, so why would he let his sisters son go to wall and never be anything or have kids, why not tell his wife the truth, why let jon take the vow and let his sister bloodline die that he loved so much
@KevinPendragon
@KevinPendragon 7 ай бұрын
Ned can't stop Jon from joining the Watch. He can tell Jon he disagrees and he can even forbid it but Jon could always run away and join on his own. But once Jon swears his vows, Ned is powerless to do anything about it. It's like Benjen going to the Wall. I'm sure Ned didnt want his brother to go but he couldn't exactly stop him I think Ned reluctantly agrees because Jon going to the Wall gets him away from Catelyn and it also means Jon gives up his claim to the Throne. Jon's claims are void after he swears his vows. So if anyone finds out Jon is a Targaryen, there's nothing they can do. Just like with Aemon.
@EbonKim
@EbonKim 7 ай бұрын
The Wall would also be the safest place for Jon politically, if his lineage was ever discovered. The Great Council once released Aemon from his maester's vows to become King, but he refused. King of the North, Robb Stark, wrote a will that might have released Jon from his oath to the Night's Watch. Stannis also offered to legitimize Jon to become Lord of Winterfell so Jon could unite the North to side with Stannis. So, maybe Ned knew he could eventually release Jon from his Night's Watch oath in the future.
@GalacticOutlaw
@GalacticOutlaw 7 ай бұрын
King Robert HATES Targaryens, and Ned has seen this firsthand with Robert’s reaction to the death of Reahgar’s children. What Ned does for Jon, he does it out of love. He keeps Jon’s parents a secret because he wants to protect Lyanna’s child from king Robert. In the books Ned tells Jon that once he returns from the south and Jon has taken the black, that he has a great secret to share with Jon (likely his parentage). Ned just wants to protect his sister’s son, and if Jon wants to take the black, then he can finally lean who his true parents are and not worry about Roberts wrath. Lastly, going to the wall is a very honorable thing to do in the north, it’s certainly not “never be anything”. There have been many stark lord commanders and Ned’s own brothers was first ranger, and Jon became lord commander.
@Captain_Insano_nomercy
@Captain_Insano_nomercy 7 ай бұрын
Because Jon is most likely his true firstborn son with Ashara Dayne, making the children with Catelyn all bastards. That's why he can't tell her or anyone else
@mistermaestersirthomas9164
@mistermaestersirthomas9164 7 ай бұрын
Ned’s promise was to make Aegon king, but if Ned did that he had to kill Robert. Jon going to the wall was a easy way out, for Ned’s dilemma and for all the people who would die throughout the kingdom in trying.
@mohmmedakrot9663
@mohmmedakrot9663 7 ай бұрын
Pro you know that the house of the Dragon have dropped you should watch it my brother
@KevinPendragon
@KevinPendragon 7 ай бұрын
The trailer looks great. I would do a reaction video but always HBO copyright claims my content when I do. Sorry brother
@mohmmedakrot9663
@mohmmedakrot9663 7 ай бұрын
@@KevinPendragon it's ok my brother
@aprilmae274
@aprilmae274 7 ай бұрын
In show, Jon's Targaryen/Stark mix is built up and then it just...fizzles. Dany just suddenly loses her shit permanently when she hears Mes's last spoken word. In show, Jon killing Danaerys was just so...casual. O, it looks like Dany caught that mysterious crazy bug-just like her daddy. It's been a few days, looks like she's probably beyond any hope. You're going to have to kill her, Jon. WtF? Poor show writer guys, they needed more show time and direction. They got shit on a bit, yep. Anyways-in book the importance of Jon being Targ and Stark is way more tangible. It's more about the war with The Others than if Jon can ride a dragon. Super good chance he will ride a dragon in book, don't get me wrong. I'm saying the show was set up differently in that ONLY Dany and Jon could ride dragons, really.
@kragary
@kragary 7 ай бұрын
"It could not have happened in a different way" is not a good argument when talking about fiction, because a fictional story could always have been written differently. If writers discover their storyline is leading to nonsense, the correct solution isn't to shrug and continue, it's to go back to beginning and rewrite the entire storyline. Not that I think for a moment GRRM doesn't know where his story is heading, I'm talking about the show writers here.
@Birruaze
@Birruaze 7 ай бұрын
You could have Jon be the son of the fisherman's daughter, and all the events from Book 1 to 5 are happening exactly the same. That was not a good argument 😅
@hardy16able
@hardy16able 7 ай бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking. Even though you may have your reasoning for a story development, it doesn’t mean there aren’t better ways to resolve a character arc or the story
@gerardjagroo
@gerardjagroo 7 ай бұрын
Jon broke his Night's Watch vows and by rights he should have been beheaded for it like poor Gared. His justification for abandoning his position in the Night's Watch, was a few words of the vows ie the part that says his watch _shall not end until his death_ while _completely ignoring_ the other parts of the vow ie the vow to serve for _this night and all the nights to come_
@ytrewq12345
@ytrewq12345 5 ай бұрын
I won't watch the video because I don't believe he is a Targaryen. But I like your ending. I want to believe he will stay dead in the books. I hope so...
@Rengokuo4o6
@Rengokuo4o6 7 ай бұрын
Jon Snow true king of westeros!!!!!!
@diyadreams
@diyadreams 7 ай бұрын
You can’t be Lord of anything because you’re dead as hell 😭😭 not the Robb slanderr
@KevinPendragon
@KevinPendragon 7 ай бұрын
lmao i felt bad editing. he didnt deserve it
@darmetriasroberson843
@darmetriasroberson843 7 ай бұрын
Okay, dude, I tried to watch this video, and I made 2 minutes before your lack of focus started annoying me. First piece of advice is if you're going to review season 8 material remember that they were ahead of the books so they just started making stuff up hence the reason why everything feels clumsy, rushed and some of it makes little sense. Second, actually review the material instead of hating on the characters as if they wrote their own material.
@Captain_Insano_nomercy
@Captain_Insano_nomercy 7 ай бұрын
Yeah tbh I don't see any value whatsoever in reviewing S8 GOT. It has nothing of value at all. It's fanfic
@chelseasherrell6277
@chelseasherrell6277 7 ай бұрын
The shows ending, pretty much all of season 8, is hot garbage. I don't pretend to nor do I actually know what GRRM is filling the pages of WoW with, but those of us who cherish the books find the ending of the show to be blasphemy. It has always been my secret hope that Daenerys will get to Westeros and learn of the threat beyond the wall which will begin to make her question why she even wants the throne if there won't be a kingdom let alone seven to rule, starts to change her plans and in the midst of all this meets Jon, but it is not revealed until later that he is Rhaegars son. Later as in before fighting the White walkers or shortly thereafter maybe. Upon which they decide to rebuild the continent together. Of course, the final two books (if they get published in our lifetimes (jk...kinda)) will be huge, so I'm sure a lot more would happen in and around my very short synopsis above. Lots of prophecy and such to explore. But that in part is why I think it matters that Jon is Rhaegar and Lyanna's son, the dragon has three heads. His name likely won't be Aegon either.....that is more laziness from the showrunners.
@KevinPendragon
@KevinPendragon 7 ай бұрын
Daenerys cannot build. She can only destroy. Everywhere she goes, she only destroys. She has never successfully built anything. Westeros will be no different
@christophertracy7136
@christophertracy7136 6 ай бұрын
Daenerys Targaryen was right about attacking King's Landing in S7 and S8 could've been about the Night King. She could have all the banners called all 7 Kingdoms!
@J_Mock92
@J_Mock92 7 ай бұрын
Umm okay... I used to find your point of view interesting, but i can't even begin to wrap my head around this video.... You're quite literally just coming to conclusions based off of what was solely presented by the show... Im not a "book purist," but nothing you've said has anything to do with the books, nor is it even forshadowed in the books... You seem to have a very shallow conception of the story as a whole... I dont know you, but the more content i see from you, the more general and "reductive" you seem to be in your reasoning, and the less nuance you seem to appreciate or understand.... I dont get it man..... Why would Jon's heritage seem so unimportant to anyone other than people who consider the show to be the end all be all canon (and how many of those people are still actively interested in the fandom?) You're welcome to your opinions, but you've been basing most of them recently off the show only, and it feels like you've lost touch and need to get it together man...
@Hero_Of_Old
@Hero_Of_Old 7 ай бұрын
What a strange, passive aggressive comment
@J_Mock92
@J_Mock92 7 ай бұрын
@@Hero_Of_Old not being "passive aggressive" at all.... If anything I'm being outwardly "aggressive," because I said exactly what I meant... Are you forreal? That was a rhetorical question btw (in case you weren't aware), because you clearly don't understand the concept behind or meaning of the term "passive aggressive," so yeah... 🙄
@watermelon520b
@watermelon520b 7 ай бұрын
@@Hero_Of_Old do you even know what passive aggressive means????? this comment was not passive aggressive. a pa person would not have even commented here, just unsubbed, disliked the video, and then gone on somewhere else and whined instead of directly addressing why they felt the way they did.
@KevinPendragon
@KevinPendragon 7 ай бұрын
I don't know what to say to comments like this. My only takeaway from this is that I need to do a better job of making it clear when I'm talking about the show versus the books. This is a video about the show's ending which goes over some of the book themes as well. Such as me referencing "the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword" to support the idea that Jon should be the one that kills Dany if he determines she must die. So to say "nothing you've said has anything to do with the books" when I reference Ned's advice or when I mention Arya thinking Needle is Jon and home... it's just baffling. That's from the books. I get I rambled (and I say that in the video) but those are clearly things from the books Youre not engaged with my content and thats ok. I ultimately have no plans to change my approach to my material. But if how I analyze and discuss this series is not up to your liking... you know what to do
@J_Mock92
@J_Mock92 7 ай бұрын
​​@@KevinPendragon well, you didn't need to say anything to my comment. I was just stating my opinion, which is that it seems like you've been basing your content off of the show only, and barely if at all touch on the "themes" from the books. If what you're saying doesn't really have anything to do with the books (which you just said it really doesn't), then why title the video with ASOIAF instead of just Game of Thrones? I've been subscribed to you for a while now, and your most recent content feels like it's made just for the sake of making content, or as an attempt to stay relevant in the fandom or something, even if you don't really have much to say about the material (neither the books nor the show). Idk. You do you man, but it just feels way off base, and I sincerely hope your future content is a little more clear and thoughtful 🤷
@SteveNonkonyana
@SteveNonkonyana 7 ай бұрын
Ayo "corpse Rob" 😧😲 leave Ed's little boy Pen Damn 😅😅 Edit* My head cannon says Jon is actually a Dane and house Dane is actually the house that founded Targarians before they went to westaros thousands of years earlier. ( I'll leave this here.😊)
@KevinPendragon
@KevinPendragon 7 ай бұрын
Ned and Ashrara's son?
@SteveNonkonyana
@SteveNonkonyana 7 ай бұрын
@@KevinPendragon yes but in the sence that the so called Targarian in Jon is actully Dane blood.
@NicholasAchladis
@NicholasAchladis 7 ай бұрын
This is whitewashing man. Bottom line is Jon's Targaryen heritage was pointless. Even if it was to get past Drogon to kill The Mad Queen, that's basically pointless. Also, the story of Azor Ahai was pointless too. 2 of the main story lines, draped in misery, that went on for multiple seasons and haven't even been concluded in the books.... they didn't freaking matter! All that lead up amounted to absolutely nothing. So disappointing
@Taykoe88
@Taykoe88 7 ай бұрын
I don't think Dany would have lost it the way she did and go burning down Kings landing if it wasn't for John revealing to her who he was. Everything was perfect with them till he told her and then that was basically the last time she smiled and then losing her best friend, she couldn't handle it. Either everyone she loved betrayed her and/or died. She just no longer cared and had "be a dragon" ringing in her head with the bells.
@iopohable
@iopohable 7 ай бұрын
not even the dude writting these books gives a shit anymore. move on.
@KevinPendragon
@KevinPendragon 7 ай бұрын
no you
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