Was MI6 agent Gareth Williams murdered?

As the inquest into the death of Gareth Williams comes to an 'inconclusive' end, Cathy Newman debates the evidence revealed during the inquest and relations between the police and MI6, with guests in the studio.

[@jnieswartz4878]

It’s absolutely ludicrous to say he put himself in that bag like the police are saying

[@sidneyreilly919]

IM IN A BAG AND PEOPLE TORTURING ME AND BLAMING ME AS THEY GAS AND POISON AND IGNORE ME. WORST FAMILY AND COLLEAGUES EVER. A YEAR OF NO WATER AND STARVATION. CHASE YOUR GF BUT THEY DONT TURN UP.

[@user-xj9bj5si2p]

James bond has been put on a bag again by Tom b who looks like doctor who's lied about me to lock me in ward for false diagnoses when trafficking terrorists in Sussex and acid attacked by Indian caterer and police spy cops inninyx ward luton

[@Vortigan07]

💯!

[@TheScouseassassin]

I believe the fact he was leaving London the following week has some significance. Had he been compromised, had he become a double agent, or a whistle blower? We'll probably never know.

[@equaliser2265]

Man in bag, heating on full, to speed up decomposition , bag in bath for fluids to drain out and not go through the floor. Flat cleaned, clean up team compromised, bag left.

[@vauxtc]

And then a full week later MI6 rings 999 rather than go there themselves , they’d already been there.

[@justicepartyuk]

There is secret government within government & there is secret service within secret service

[@justicepartyuk]

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[@justicepartyuk]

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[@justicepartyuk]

Gareth was murdered by order of CIA

[@justicepartyuk]

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[@simonwoods8809]

I think that's the best way of putting it I've heard. Most people working for the secret service join up for the best of reasons and most politicians are not so bad (relatively) but there is the cabal of evil, the hidden hand.

[@sail1948]

Was he murdered? No of course he fucking wasnt. He climbed into that bag, made himself comfortable and then in a move that would have made Houdini green with envy managed to reach the zip and lock himself in the bag. He then, no doubt pleased at his amazing dexterity settled down to die.

[@777Albatross]

+sail1948 there is no way he could have done that without leaving dna and how does that explain the scuff mark found on the bath tub as well as the fact that the lights were out

[@highonimmi]

+777Albatross I think he was being facetious.

[@777Albatross]

highonimmi i would hope so

[@standalby6949]

That's amazing , who would of thought , but why stab yourself first ? Was it a time test , Like a egg timer ?

[@yobolion]

Oh thank goodness you're not one of those tin foil hat people who believe British Military Intelligence goes around murdering people! Surely they only stand for goodness and the good things!

[@privacyishard150]

Very odd. You'd expect his body to go missing if it was done properly. Why was it left there, it must have been a message.

[@green823jade]

Because they were disturbed.

[@We_Are_All_Vultures]

It was left in a luggage bag lock from the outside but no fingerprints and the heat turned up to max to the point where by the time the body was discovered they couldn't discern the cause of death... Clues will left on his computer and in the room suggesting he was some sexual deviant And so they did a pretty good job... no fingerprints nothing

[@Will111ism]

@@We_Are_All_Vultures def(0)

[@freestylestuntkayak]

If he was disappeared, people could remain interested in reviving the case forever. If he is found and you make the public feel like he was somehow 'worth less' or brought it upon himself, or even did it himself out of a fetish most people don't identify with, he will become unimportant to people, and people move on.

[@jbgh5729]

1:17 “rather unsatisfactory situation” Bruh it’s more than unsatisfactory

[@taxidude]

The man obviously committed suicide and then zipped himself into the holdall!

[@TheScouseassassin]

It's the old story of someone committing suicide by stabbing themselves 10 times in the back...lol.

[@aquienpuedaimportar3028]

So you're saying Jordan Peterson did it?

[@jdlotus8253]

It was the lobsters

[@mfk5533]

not a fan of Jordan Peterson but that was very funny...

[@matthewlewis7513]

@@mfk5533 he was murdered by a half-man, half lobster.

[@MrFredSed]

An MI6 safe house? I think someone from MI6 will have checked the flat by the 2nd morning he didn't turn in. Hence they now have 5-6 days to cleanse the flat of other employees DNA and provide whatever props were needed to show him as a sexual deviant who liked to don womens clothes. I'd like to know whether any of the clothes or wigs in those yellow boxes had been worn by GW and if he had the make-up and jewelry to go with the outfits? Another questions that arises is did he shave his legs? If so, it doesn't neccessarily point to anything as some cyclists also do this but if he left them unshaved, it would make the wearing of short dresses less likely

[@Xtramentalstencilist]

An MI6 not very safe house.

[@We_Are_All_Vultures]

Even if he DID get freaky sexually.... He can't lock himself in a bag without leaving a finger print then turn the heating up to Max so the body decomposed to the point of not being able to discern his manner of death.

[@MsVanorak]

you might want to go and take a look at annie mahon's ex boyfriend, david shayler.

[@Glaiket]

He had no women’s underwear and did shave his legs as he was an avid cycler. It’s not unusual for neurodiverse people to care little for gender norms and often have sensory kinks. He was murdered. Absolutely.

[@freestylestuntkayak]

Not having women's underwear says a LOT if you'd ask me.

[@wills101]

I bet the FSB couldn't believe their luck. The levels of incompetence shown are beyond a joke.

[@711honved]

No mistakes were made in this investigation. It was investigated exactly as directed to a satisfactory conclusion.

[@bocon99]

+711honved dream on dummy 1 houdini woud like to talk to you!

[@711honved]

+teahan connor My comment refers to my belief that the whole investigation was an MI6 orchestrated cover up. The Met Police findings were as instructed from the dark corridors of power. Not for one moment do I believe that Gareth managed to seal himself into a holdall.

[@Zeno7741]

Yep I agree.

[@flashingturtle6505]

Imagine working for one of those agencies and having the same manager

[@CH-qe1dm]

Look at CCTV images from Holland Park Gareth was been followed by British MI6 intelligence. That's why some of the CCTV footage is a (Missing)

[@intelligencenewsnetworks8249]

Princess Dianas driver was linked to MI6 and so was the person in the white car who took pictures. Shocking. Look what happened to her when she angered the wrong people

[@Googaify]

This is an insult to compare these two cases. Diana's death could have very well been an accident (most probable scenario). This though? There's no way to think it was an accident. People die in car accidents every day. They don't die by stuffing themselves in a bag in their bathroom.

[@Military872]

@@Googaify Rubbish, Diana was Murdered, she knew too much so did Jill Dando.

[@ukkiller1764]

When you placed his dead body in the bag what was you thinking? Why did MI6 do nothing? It just shows how bad MI6 was he wanted out of their like the plague

[@BeautyHealthZoneBlog]

I just wish you knew how some of these people have the ability to twist things and manipulate information and make things look a certain way. I could spend all day explaining it to you. They steal and intercept your letters, bug your phones, eavesdrop on your conversations, tamper with your food, break into your home as they please walking around taking and returning things. One man writing a blog on the topic was hounded consistently, I could almost feel his desperation trying to get help when I came across his blog some years ago. And then the assumption is that just because they are spies and writing cointelpro blogs that you are as well, even if you don't know anything. So, I learned a lot through watching videos online over the years.

[@sidneyreilly919]

WAS LITTLE B A PLANT? WHY HAVE I BEEN ABANDONED AND EXPECTED TO ESCAPE ON MY OWN AND NO ONE TURNS UP? WHY SOCIETAL SILENCE? THEY DIDNT TURN UP LAST YEAR LEAVING ME STRANDED.

[@Man_fay_the_Bru]

If you’ve nothing to hide🤷‍♂️

[@variniaspartacus5860]

@@Man_fay_the_Bru if you think you have nothing to hide, what is wrong with having privacy? What are these leeches looking for?

[@paulbirkbeck1790]

Its called Gangstalking. They use frequency weapons which can drive you out of your mind. Very dangerous times in the uk

[@LondonTom007]

"rather unsatisfactory position you've found yourself in" .... Think about the position Gareth was in.... literally 🙈

[@BeautyHealthZoneBlog]

The thing is, I would imagine that the computers that they use there are monitored to the point where even if you discovered something incriminating someone there would be able to monitor it and find out who accessed the system and when.

[@Citrusblue1]

Why would he want to put himself in a bag??

[@tonyclifton265]

Cathy Newman: "so you're saying he was murdered by the KGB with a gunshot to the head?

[@Kingofthekop1]

May he rest in peace, they murdered him in a sickening way and disparaged his name in the aftermath.

[@imerupp]

Gareth Williams case reminds me in a way of the storyline in the 1986 Michael Caine film The Whistle Blower.

[@lewisandarchie7920]

People think Gareth’s death was just an accident but I don’t think that it’s very confusing because there’s no way someone can get into a bag and padlock it from the outside

[@BeautyHealthZoneBlog]

It's not about being too naive or trusting people too much. When you have piranhas or sharks after you, they have all manner of dirty tricks up their sleeve, if you are not accustomed to dealing with it then you would easily be gobbled up by them. It's a bit like dealing with a bully, you have to be tough or else you get beat down every time, although this is different because you are dealing with cunning people whose main motivation is getting money, at all cost.

[@mercyreaper5865]

I'm sure he was left in that bag to be collected by another agent later on but they fucked up! The flat was spotless so it had been deep cleaned by specialists but the bag was last to go! They fucked up! Hundreds of people go missing every year without trace! He would have just been another one if the plan was carried out correctly!

[@Vortigan07]

Personally, I'm quite skeptical about the whole dirty smear story of bondage websites, women's clothing and the general "Ah well you see, he was a bit of a kink" angle! And as for the landlady and the story of bound wrists to the bedposts, I'm fling that under things that never happened!

[@robertnelson4207]

Mi6 killed him blamed poor Russians

[@beautifulrosemary6565]

I agree.

[@user-tn5fz4kp8j]

Poor Russians don't kill people do they

[@zoso2000]

Don't worry Kathy Newman's on the case.

[@jimmy66603]

"So what your saying,....is"

[@cuba5381]

I told Mi5 I was attacked/ intimidated (and nearly killed) 10 months after applying for a job with them and a week after someone asked if I'd whistle blow about Immigration ( my employer). They told me to go to the Police. The Police contacted Mi5 and Mi5 said no information to give.. yet Mi5 had had many e mails from me explaining the situation and had even responded to me twice telling me the Police would investigate. Someone I knew for three years told me I would have no privacy from him and Mi5 in connection to a job move I was never offered. Had I died the truth about this man nearly causing my death and my application to Mi5 and the subsequent stalking / intimidation I suffered would not have come to light.

[@beautifulrosemary6565]

It could've been a test

[@variniaspartacus5860]

Well, did you join the service?

[@cuba5381]

@@variniaspartacus5860 no

[@variniaspartacus5860]

@@cuba5381 did you notice any targeting after this time?

[@cuba5381]

@@variniaspartacus5860 what do you mean?

[@choosiebaby7128]

when? when? when? why is it that hardly anyone here on youtube states the date of the video they publish. published date means nothing. when did this happen?

[@bocon99]

+choosie baby 2010

[@funkycains]

August 2010. Hence why it was weird heating was turned up to the max

[@johnsawers7598]

Family must have been threatened by mi6

[@kevm2630]

Its easy I dont know i dont know i dont know, Cops and politicians answer.

[@Silicondoc]

Of course he was murdered there is no doubt about it. The problem is we still aren't being told whom did it, and of course the secret agency knows exactly whom did.

[@simiyuthomas9952]

true?

[@simiyuthomas9952]

you are absolutely correct

[@wills101]

Whom lol Used completely incorrectly.

[@gethindavies]

Someone found dead in a suitcase wasn't "murdered"??

[@JohnSmith-vy4lh]

If you give up your freedom for security you will end up with neigher .

[@We_Are_All_Vultures]

🏴

[@BeautyHealthZoneBlog]

In this organisation, you can't compare someone sitting at their desk monitoring Internet traffic, codebreaking or decoding information to a person who has combat skills, who has been out on the field possibly in a war zone and who knows how to survive there and kill people. And I am sure it was easy especially if he knew them. They will sneak in and out of your house while you are at home and you would never see them, and if you do, you will be so shocked you will think that you are seeing double.....And I know because people have been sneaking in and out of my home for years, stealing documents like thieves in the night. So, anyway he was killed by professionals and the reason why there were no fingerprints is because they would have come prepared to clean up the area afterwards to leave no trace.

[@user-ph1fu2us5g]

Some years ago in Sweden an investigative journalist told to a friend of mine that this crime was carried out by a senior homosexual MI5 agent who was jealous and sad because Gareth had requested his transfer back to GCHQ. This agent was the one who bought all the dresses and wigs for Gareth. This agent was also extremely worried that Gareth would expose him as homosexual.

[@richardjones7984]

That actually sounds plausible but unsubstantiated. The question of motive is a good one.

[@We_Are_All_Vultures]

Good on you Dr. Wilcock Is she still ok?

[@cuba5381]

I think he was killed due to the Security Services .

[@sentinal2337]

Its not in the interest of the public to know the details of this case.

[@GABRIELADAWSON]

Was it 007,Sam Fisher Or perhaps Solid Snake who did it????

[@privateprivare4114]

You threaten his sister looked at the upset on her face, leaving the court room I believe nothing she said publicly

[@kasperhauser987]

Gareth was a codebreaker the way he was killed was a statement

[@HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022]

Handler to baggage.

[@esporter5721]

Gareth Williams: the face of Government Secret Service at Career Fairs…. Come on Britain! Give some justice

[@MsVanorak]

exactly - run a mile if they ever come anywhere near you! e.g. david shayler, james casbolt

[@HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022]

He was signed , sealed and not quite delivered.

[@equaliser2265]

Things need to be kept secret, and the services need to keep certain things quiet. FSB or Mossad are the direction to focus on.

[@MsVanorak]

quite possibly - one of the diana's was dating close to mossad most probably and she shopped in harrods which was a hidey hole for failed cold war 'dead drops'.

[@Gdhsusk]

Who is this interviewer, everything time she spoke, it was in accusing way, not non bias journalism.

[@brianpatrick3160]

"When one hath to keep a secret, he hath to keep it secret that he hath a secret to keep". Sir Humphrey Appleby.

[@standalby6949]

Lo fucking really loud , .the metropolitan police are perfectly up for the job , jeez give me strength please

[@mascwintle2968]

Hmmm how can u kill someone lawfully ??

[@TheScouseassassin]

There are lots of ways a killing can be lawful. Police officers stopping a crazed shooter, a terrorist taken out during an attack...etc.

[@elusiveDEVIANT]

The ol zip yourself up in a gym bag accident. Happens all the time.

[@mrsentencename7334]

The increment

[@babss2285]

That's all MI6 GCHQ MI5 etcetera just keep covering up THEIR SECRETS

[@johnsawers7598]

I can now confirm it was mi6 who was responsible. Mi6 mi6 it sounds Like mi6.

[@Garfield1996]

This is reassuring, the met are capable of investigating any issues

[@emmeyefive7484]

lol, as if channel 4 would be divulging truth, even if they knew it. animation is probably still working for the circus

[@LJI777]

when its a spy game no1 is ever gonna know what happened

[@yvanmcgregor5823]

WOW

[@lindseygordon3406]

Nah we all climb into the bath and lock ourselves inside bags, thats just normal...........isn't it 🤔🤔🤔

[@askenewewe5544]

Really you want to keep removing comments not cool

[@user-hu2tu4wm9k]

Secret Service has got lots of dirty secret

[@Retroscoop]

Funny no, 30 years earlier, a movie dealt exactly with that topic: www.imdb.com/title/tt0092206/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_68

[@BeautyHealthZoneBlog]

Some of these spies, they get so embroiled in their work, they won't communicate with you over a phone instead they will get on your computer doing their 007 bullshit. I always enjoyed watching James Bond films while growing up, but some of these people take it to the extremes of sanity. Just imagine a psychopath getting access to all the information they have access to and that is a very dangerous thing indeed. One time there was a black Mercedes CLK parked up in Camberwell and a red alpha romeo, they use these cars to do surveillance and then discuss about it on social networking platforms. You can have spies living across the road from you and of course people are only nosey about stuff that doesn't concern them.....They have sppoks living on their street and they will never notice anything....And I have dealt with so many stupid people I get really furious at times....These spies stand out like a sore thumb you would have to be an idiot not to notice them, they behave different.

[@kevinbrown461]

***** why are you so concerned with secret agent activity? Just a query

[@BeautyHealthZoneBlog]

Kevin Brown Because they have been hacking my computer for years....And you obviously haven't digested anything that I wrote.....Typical. I have an aversion to the name Kevin, I know a con artist and criminal with this name.

[@kevinbrown461]

***** Im sorry I havnt been paying full attention. I promise to try harder. I am definetly not a con artist.Why would they want to hack your computer?

[@BeautyHealthZoneBlog]

Kevin Brown I am sure that you are already aware why people hack computers and gain unauthorised entry where they haven't been invited without me having to explain.

[@kevinbrown461]

Yes I'm aware but I thought there are many reasons. What I wanted to know is why would a spy want or secret agent want to get info from you?

[@mikemcguinness1304]

The actor Ben whilshaw is in a brilliant series inspired by this story.... Watch it... You tcan thank me later

[@vauxtc]

Quite a lot of difference in the story

[@romandecaesar4782]

Poor Kim Howells...bastard wasn't prepped for this interview, and it shows.

[@Bad_Gnasher]

Normal for a Labour Party Politician.

[@kristapsziemelis]

....or worse.....this could potentially serve as a signal/message.

[@TahoeVista]

This Annie Machon character is playing with fire here.

[@TahoeVista]

Hmm. My thoughts exactly. All i can think of are red bags and baths ...

[@MsVanorak]

in the know - look at her ex boyfriend

[@martinhewit5752]

MI6 did it

[@paulallen-squid1332]

Bet he was a fan of Terrence lol

[@CozyzYT]

Interesting metro police where involved

[@cankhovich1796]

require periodic ethics-testing for intelligence positions

[@mylestubedayz5613]

I’ll have it bagged not glassed!!

[@IainFrame]

*OF COURSE* he was murdered. The bag was padlocked *FROM THE OUTSIDE* and the scene was clearly forensically cleaned. He was then a victim of a smear campaign. Also he wasn't MI6, he was GCHQ.

[@derekarnold3665]

He was on secondment from GCHQ to MI6 and presumably lived in one of their 'safe houses." AGREE he obviously was murdered why he was murdered we will never know, but by whom....

[@LondonTom007]

COVER UP... enough said

[@vladvlog9677]

Well that was a waste of time.

[@11nitrox]

Annie Machon? Her real name? I'm sure it's just a coincidence that she uses Annie and not Ann(e), so it only needs a slight elongation of the 'a' sound to be a Drag name. 'Here she is, the one you've been waiting for! Live on stage, Miss 'Annie Mation'.

[@johnsawers7598]

If the family though it was an accident they would have spoken out . Silence speaks mi6 think they did a good job. We all know you covered it up bunch of drug taking alcohols

[@markbailey1395]

highly trained synthetic ninja potatos did it,i mean who would suspect ;-)

[@jbgh5729]

Yes... yes he was

[@subculture-records]

Yes, by the people he worked for.

[@101MRSPICE]

Cover up top to bottom

[@JimmyJimmyEnglish]

Its a smelly old world

[@BeautyHealthZoneBlog]

And the spies they drive all kinds of cars. I was being stalked by one black girl in a grey jeep or landrover.....Years ago, I would come to my house and find this grey jeep or a similar one and the man driving it was white and had some type of curly hair and a slim build......Sometimes you can tell when you are being followed, the way the people behave.....Saw this jeep in Camberwell a few times. They have several houses they use in and around south London for spying....I have observed them over the years, the fact is they behave different from the normal people you know, so they stand out to me.

[@aprillondon11]

Alright, Sherlock.

[@kmma1094]

Why were you being followed? What do you know that isnt public knowledge?

[@mannyescuela3511]

loll... you veer thought.... maybe.... you live near other people??

[@HooDie-Trench-GoTh2022]

Did they keep asking you for a light? Subtle threats ...

[@MsVanorak]

lol, i know - their ego's prevent them from being covert!

[@Ghost_Rider_786]

Lee Harvey Oswald done it .....

[@corneliuscornia3189]

😂😂

[@Ghost_Rider_786]

@@corneliuscornia3189 😃

[@paulallen-squid1332]

That broad speaking from Dusseldorf- her bf also worked for Mi5 - he went mad lol

[@MsVanorak]

david shayler

[@MsVanorak]

dresses as a woman - likes to be called dolores!

[@ImpartiallySpeaking]

Annie Machon comes across as being entirely credible

[@johnwick292]

E squadron.

[@johnsawers7598]

British mi6 like books? Why? Mi5 do your dirty work??

[@mark.lawrence]

was he looking into the clintons... what is the #clintonbodycount up to now?

[@user-il1nx9bl9z]

Oblivious

[@blakesteele7800]

Someone eventually will let the cat out of the bag

[@FreemenofAustralia]

Its a shame he wasnt Russian, and with his daughter at the time

[@Will111ism]

#404

[@jakebaked5996]

Notice, they didn't blame russia 😂

[@corneliuscornia3189]

He died of Covid??!

[@mac1975]

Russians, obviously same MO

[@TJ-vl1ff]

Everybody should read Boris Karpichkov's account in the Daily Mail regarding this case. It was the Russians. They tried to recruit him.

[@vauxtc]

If he’s a defector can he be trusted

[@TJ-vl1ff]

@@vauxtc The story seems plausible. He has contacts back in Moscow in the intel services. Anybody who believes Williams placed himself in that bag, padlocking it from the outside without leaving any finger prints is not a serious person.

[@vauxtc]

@@TJ-vl1ff he was clearly unhappy on this secondment told his sister I think that he wanted to get back to Cheltenham but if he was at danger from the Russians he was unsafe every. Also Karpichov is a defector isn’t he ? This is what they get used for -disinformation

[@kasperhauser987]

The Russians killed Gareth

[@kevm2630]

Its easy I dont know i dont know i dont know, Cops and politicians answer.