Was MODOK Ruined? (And Other Quantumania Questions)

Ant Man and the Wasp Quantumania was amazing! Nah, okay you got me. It was very much not amazing. It is altogether exhausting for these movies to keep being relentlessly mid, but this one is actually just truly awful. I had about as much fun with this as I did with Eternals; so to be exact, no fun at all.
Scott’s relationship with Cassie was one of the sweetest and most endearing thing about the previous movies, and the time jump in endgame promised to give us a new dimension to that relationship. Instead this father / daughter dynamic is devoid of chemistry and feels like it runs through all the tired cliches. Scott isn’t an attentive father, he's too stuck into his life as a superhero to notice his teen daughter going down the same roads he went down. Of course they’ve gone from having a well built relationship to her complaining that he’s letting her down constantly.
Modok is such a humungous belly flop its insane. I don’t mind the idea to make him Darren Cross, deformed from the shrinking that occurred in the first movie, as it gives him a pre-existing dynamic with Scott, Hope and Hank. Marvel notoriously kills its villains off too quickly, so this was a chance to change that up. And this is where this movie supersedes being an Ant-Man movie for being a kinda of Kang Dynasty movie instead. Surely, given the dynamic, it would have been better for Modok to have been the main villain in the quantum realm. That opening scene where Janet finds Kang crashing landing at the start of the movie? That could easily be Darren. She could have been the one that fixed him up and saved his life, maybe he's even angry at the fact that hank saved her from the realm and left him for fend for himself… again.
Ant-Man. 2015. Directed by Peyton Reed.
Ant-Man and the Wasp. 2018. Directed by Peyton Reed.
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. 2023. Directed by Peyton Reed.
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[@agrumpymonkey5800]

Another problem with Kang, is that every time he is introduced, it’s a new Kang. A different Kang, with a different look, and with a different motivation, just the same name. So if they keep killing him off in every movie, then it’s no different than marvel villain of the week. It’s just a whole nothing burfer

[@luisjauregui2197]

It's the problem with Endgame Thanos times 20. Which Kang should we care for? Are all of them the big villain or just one of them? We are seemingly replacing the CGI goons with Kang variants, which just makes them less impactful and it opens the door for him to just keep appearing with no rhyme or reason.

[@dosomestuff1949]

@@luisjauregui2197exactly

[@spiritplanes2453]

@@luisjauregui2197name them then besides hwr or antman kang ? Or u just talking out your ass

[@persesonn2604]

yeah if you were going to kill hang off anyway, and give this meaningless variant no personality, there was no reason not to make the antagonist MODOK. Hell, this even adds to the rest of the story even if you add no other changes: getting defeated by utopian space ants is more in character for a light-hearted joke villain like MODOK than a villain like Kang

[@paveantelic7876]

exactly. i dont understand people who like kang, he was for sure cool back in the 60s when he was created but who gives a shit about time travel anymore, it's just a crap story device that never works

[@theweirdofengland]

A Kang solo movie, showing him as an anti-hero before his turn to evil, would be an amazing way to introduce the next MCU big bad. Marvel just seem to be afraid to experiment and take risks, they’ve become complacent in their success. This is how franchises fall.

[@billhoult3262]

They could just cinematically flesh out the story from loki of an ambitious scientist who discovers the multiverse, only to find that other variants of himself are more ambitious. Throw in renslayer as a love interest trying to hold him back from his descent, and inspiring him to create the tva. Still think they should have done it as a fantastic four movie, makes more character sense to have them exploring an alien world as a family than the typically grounded and street level antman. Then all you have to do is take a fantastic four who are well established in their own universe, and via quantum realm / kang technology emerge from the quantum realm in the mcu rather than their home universe. Or the third option, write a better version of the quantumania that we got that is more ambitious in its visuals and story, and kills antman, because we don't need him and wasp and stature in future avengers movies, and they won't make an antman 4. Just give wasp some character please because right now I don't care if we never see her or antman again

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

I really don't get why there MCU defenders that say that MCU now is hated because it's gotten experimental. MCU has gotten exactly as you said, complacent to its own success.

[@LANDBACKbyANYmeans]

I think that is what they are planning with Kang Dynasty. Kind of like how Infinity War was a Thanos Solo movie. That would make Secret War like Endgame where the Avengers assemble and take down the Big Bad.

[@mkno2799]

Nah there still experimenting, here and there. Just main audiences are getting MCU fatigue. If you want a better example of a "dead franchise". Look no further than the CW's arrowverse show. (A universe that bank rupt, a company.)

[@buttscarlton1490]

I think they're learning all the wrong lessons from other giant mega-corps. Coke hasn't changed, except the one time they tried and it backfired. Look at the last 20 years of new media; they've only managed to hang on by recycling the same formula of broadcast/print. What they SHOULD be taking influence from is *their own company name* during the 60s-80s. Comics were unpredictable back then and there are a ton of classic stories from that era of varying genres and tones. But no. Let's keep at the same old formula as long as it keeps being profitable

[@dimitrescu182]

Kang's role in this movie should have been like Thanos' role in Guardians of the Galaxy, that way they could have also avoided making Kang look like a loser.

[@dosomestuff1949]

Yea exactly

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

I thought they should have taken a page out of DC’s Owlman and make him a misanthropic nihilist who, on discovering the multiverse, dedicated himself to the only choice that mattered: the location of the Prime Timeline and the destruction of the multiverse.

[@zebrolightshow7224]

@@Lobsterwithinternet That…actually sounds like a good idea not gonna lie

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@zebrolightshow7224 I was when they did it with Owlman. Superwoman: You never had any intention of using the QED for blackmail. You're going to use it kill everybody. Owlman: (utterly unfazed) What if I am? Superwoman: Just tell me - why? Owlman: Why not? Superwoman: I'm serious. I'm a murdering psychopath; it's part of my charm. Owlman: I do find it attractive. Superwoman: But you never make a move without a reason. Why would you want to destroy the world? Owlman: Because it's the only action one could take that would have any purpose. Superwoman: (beat) You lost me there. (Owlman activates a hologram that shows an image of Earth endlessly splitting into similar images) Owlman: Every decision we make is meaningless. Because somewhere, on a parallel Earth, we have already made the opposite choice. We're nothing. Less than nothing. Superwoman: How can you say that? We're rich! We're conquerors! Owlman: (pointing at alternate Earths) And here we're poor. We're slaves. And here, our parents never met, so we were never born. Here, the world ended in nuclear war. Here, no fish was brave enough to crawl upon land and humans never evolved. And so on, ad infinitum. Superwoman: So even if you destroy the world, there are a billion others, right? What difference would it make? Owlman: Somewhere in the multiverse, there is a world I call "Earth Prime". Every Earth is a variation of this one, the original. And once I destroy it, all reality will follow. (grabs the first Earth image in his hand, causing it to vanish; the other Earths gradually follow) Superwoman: I take it back. You're much crazier than I am. Owlman: Don't get in my way. Superwoman: To the contrary. (kisses him) I'm in.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@zebrolightshow7224 Owlman: (programming the QED's detonation) Welcome to Earth Prime. Before there was thought, there was this place. One Earth, with a single history. But with the coming of man came the illusion of free will. And with that illusion came chaos. With every choice we make, we literally create a world. History branches in two, creating one Earth where we made the choice, and a second where we didn't. That's the secret of the universe, you know. Billions of people, making billions of choices, creating infinite Earths. Some so similar to each other that you could spend a lifetime searching for any distinction. Others so radically different, they defy comprehension. Batman: And all of the branches originate here? Owlman: Every version of reality balances precariously on this singular Earth. (musing) It seems so different from the Earths we know. I can't imagine what series of decisions led to this world hurtling out of its orbit. But I know this. The source of the cataclysm was the same as it always is: man. Batman: You can't be sure of that. Anything-- Owlman: (interrupting) You know better. Man is a cancer, and I've chosen to cut out the disease. Batman: You're talking about killing-- Owlman: Everyone who ever lived. Who ever will live. I choose to make the only possible real choice. Batman: You're insane. Owlman: Does it really matter? There are alternate versions of me that you would find quite charming

[@BananaLock]

the idea of Darren thinking he can die a hero falls apart even further when you realize that Yellow Jacket was shrunk down to the quantum realm in the first Ant-Man movie; BEFORE he even became an avenger, meaning Darren wouldn't make that kind of connection to the avengers at all. Not unless he watches the movies too.

[@evenhartwick4422]

thats such a good point but if you asked the writers they would probably make up some hand wavey excuse like. Modok is a cyborg with a computer brain so he knows whats going on in the outside world. or Kang told him everything or something that was never shown or even hinted at on screen

[@gtortillaz21]

One of the huge issues I don't see people talking about is how much they dumbed down Hank. He went from brilliant scientist to goofy grandpa

[@abraham2172]

Kind of the opposite of Cassies development. She went from goofy daughter to brilliant scientist talking to other dimensions in basements.

[@cybrid37]

Y'know whats even more of a missed opportunity with the "At least I died an Avenger" line? Had they made MODOK the main villain and kept Kang as the surprise final villain, they could've had a line or a flashback between Darren and Hope where Darren initially made the schematics for the Yellowjacket suit because he wanted to try and become a hero like Hank was to win his approval before Hank started shutting Darren out in Ant Man 1. They could've shown/mentioned Darren training with Hope before he started losing his mind by discovering the Yellowjacket formula. It would explain why Hope was even on his team in the first place, why Darren was already so good with the Yellowjacket suit in Ant Man 1 and makes Darren an even more tragic character as the Avenger that never was.

[@Joecbg100]

I'td still be forced, but least you made an attempt to connect the first to this.

[@cybrid37]

@@quicklyform5162 Yes, in the movie it was meant as a joke. But its pretty f*cked up how they treat this one, actually very tragic character as nothing more than a joke all the way up to his very death. Did I laugh? Yes. But its frustrating how Darren MODOK is perfectly set up to have a good emotional and engaging story, and they throw it all away just for a cheap laugh.

[@zanish4404]

No matter what everything will always have alot holes in them, especially how you exampled what they could have done again, it would have not made the movie any better even if modok was the main villain it would still be an ultimate disaster.

[@stubblytuna4068]

That would have been great ngl

[@cybrid37]

@@zanish4404 How? If MODOK was the main Villain, a lot of focus would have been placed on the relationship between Hank, Hope, Darren and Scott. Even Cassie to a certain point. There is a lot to unpack between these characters. If they still wanted to introduce Kang and have Darren MODOK be redeemed, they would've had a whole movie to build up MODOK's redemption arc instead of focusing on messy pointless shit like Krylar, the Quantum rebellion, etc.

[@Spud1189]

MODOK’s redemption was such a joke. -Helps oppress the quantum realm -Tries killing Cassie and Scott -Gets one pep talk from Cassie -Attacks his master who he has devoted his life to -dies

[@CheezDoodlezz]

They should bring him back :)

[@Madara8989]

> Attacks his master who he has devoted his life to That wasn't really the impression I got from their relationship in the movie, but rather that they had a "master and abused attack dog" kind of relationship. MODOK was "devoted" to Kang so much as he was afraid to disobey the Conqueror until it became clear that Kang may actually lose.

[@madtitanthanos7898]

That was the joke

[@Spud1189]

@@Madara8989 That is true

[@eleven-hopper]

i don't think it really came out of nowhere though. you could see little moments where he looked conflicted and we saw that kang was abusive to him and didn't treat him well so i don't find it all that surprising that he did something good in the end

[@keiviroque5666]

Darren is such a weird character in the MCU, he was a real Ant-man villain in the comics and was adapted to the movie but he showed up as Yellowjacket which was one of Hank pym’s alter egos when he was a superhero, and now he’s back but as MODOK so he just becomes this weird amalgam of different Marvel characters, most of which don’t have much a relation with one another.

[@erubin100]

It's kind of funny: ever since the MCU's inception, they've really been playing musical chairs with Iron Man's and Ant Man's villains, haven't they? 1. Iron Man 2: Whiplash/Crimson Dynamo hybrid 2. Iron Man 3: Fake Mandarin, Killian becomes the "second Mandarin" 3. Ant Man: the whole Yellowjacket thing 4. Avengers Age of Ultron: Ultron is made by Tony Stark and has no relation to Hank Pym 5. Ant Man and the Wasp: The Ghost shows up and never meets Iron Man 6. Shang Chi: The "real" Mandarin appears without ever having met Iron Man ...And now this movie, where not only is MODOK a mutated Yellowjacket, but Kang is now an Ant Man villain...somehow!

[@LANDBACKbyANYmeans]

@@erubin100 It is almost like the MCU is not the main continuity from the comics and can stray from the source material.

[@erubin100]

@@LANDBACKbyANYmeans don't give me that holier-than-thou attitude! if it works, fine, but the point is that it DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK, like in this movie.

[@LANDBACKbyANYmeans]

@@erubin100 I liked it. I liked MODOK. Calm down.

[@darrengordon-hill]

​@@erubin100 1: Decanonize 2: Bastardise

[@kuakilyissombroguwi]

Having Michael Peña join them, become a rebellion fighter and decide to stay with goo guy and the rest of the gang at the end would’ve been awesome. Sure, it’s a trope, but one that works, and at least some of the humor would’ve landed having him there.

[@samuelntim-addae2843]

MODOK is supposed to be a human super computer. It is what makes his origin make sense. I don't even know why Kang would wast a the resources keeping MODOK alive in the movie.

[@AJ-xc4qe]

I didn't get to say this in your other Ant-Man video, but I think the biggest disappointment for me is that Peyton Reed said Ant-Man and the Wasp would partially be a rom com and it barely felt that way. Considering how he made successful rom coms in the past and I wouldn't have minded the movie being part heist movie, part rom com. So to hear that The Wasp herself is barely relevant in this movie, along with other gripes, is just depressing. Here's hoping Scott's memoir will be great. I already pre-ordered it and I'm hoping he talked with Doctor Strange about how they were the only Avengers who traveled the Quantum Realm before Endgame.

[@LikeGod_ButBetterLooking]

Wasp is practically the main character of the film. Just a different Wasp to the one people were expecting 🤷‍♂️

[@freshstudios5533]

@@LikeGod_ButBetterLooking stinger is the comic accurate name

[@LikeGod_ButBetterLooking]

@@freshstudios5533 nope Janet Van Dyne is definitely called Wasp in the comics...

[@freshstudios5533]

@@LikeGod_ButBetterLooking I thought u were talking about Cassie Lang

[@LikeGod_ButBetterLooking]

@@freshstudios5533 well the hint was I said Wasp...

[@stalebread9825]

Im noticing a real lack of story building as well, it went into the story beats at a pretty fast pace

[@CashTrades]

That’s what I’ve been thinking, every since endgame every marvel movie has been rushing into the main story rather then the build up. Jumping right into the big scene ruins the movie

[@Morphed626]

everything you've said captures what I felt about this film. This film washed over me and left no imprint whatsoever. The ants made majors kang a joke for me and took away any notion that he could be a threat

[@LANDBACKbyANYmeans]

No.

[@traktor420]

@@LANDBACKbyANYmeans wow, such a compelling counterpoint

[@thesteelsquid863]

​​@@traktor420 Well, I feel like it's sort of a nothing point to try and say "oh it was goofy bc big ants". I mean, the plot to the very first mcu was about a billionaire flying around in a suit of armor that, let's be real, breaks physics, run by a perpetual energy source. Captain America was created by a normal human man who created a whole ass super soldier serum in the middle of fucking world War 2. Are giant cyborg ants.. really jumping *any* sort of shark here? And isn't it fitting for someone called *ANT* man, who both changes size and.. well, talks to ants..?

[@magicoA]

What’s weirder with the absence of the rest of the heist gang is that David Dasmalcian voices one of the quantum creatures in this. I feel like they missed a great chance to at least have all of that gang voice those characters in a Wizard of OZ-Esque move.

[@brobs0463]

Jonathan Major's is the only reason why there's a debate to whether Quantumania is a good movie

[@dennydarkko]

Been thinking this since I’ve seen it, Kang seems, pretty badass may I say. And his variants seem even crazier

[@DirtyDawg]

His acting sucks, what are you smoking

[@sub-zero5433]

hate to say it but he acted terribly in this movie, everything was so hammy and over-acted. blame it on bad direction

[@baggieboydan82]

​@Sub-Zero yeah I've not seen loki but have seen quantumania snd his acting was so far from good

[@brobs0463]

@@sub-zero5433 He was better in Loki if I’m honest

[@RedHood4751]

Kang didn't need an army when he was conquering before but suddenly he needs to take an army with him. He is depicted as selfish but doesn't immediately try to escape by himself

[@bigjohnny9759]

I think he said he needed the army in order to even the playing field against the thousands of other kangs.

[@seancamacho4271]

He’s taking his army with him to fight the other kangs. Lol

[@LANDBACKbyANYmeans]

So is Scott. A whole thing between him and Cassie is she thinks he is not being a good enough hero. Questioning his action as Antman. That is how she got sent to jail in the first place; by doing a heroism Antman wont. Kang for any faults wants to save Existence from his other selves. He knows left to his other selves that all of Existence will be destroyed and he has decided he is going to save it. Their must be one sacred timeline or else everyone dies. Multiversial trolley problem.

[@RedHood4751]

@@LANDBACKbyANYmeans Scott being portrayed as not enough or selfish in this movie makes no sense. He does nothing but try and be there for Cassey throughout the trilogy , everything leads back to her for Scott. Cassey being arrested for helping the homeless is no way related to Scott not doing enough. How would Ant man help the homeless, as shown by his interactions with people, some people don't even know who he is. So he doesn't have the pull to help with political issues

[@RedHood4751]

@@seancamacho4271 evidently the army wouldn't be good enough to face the other Kangs

[@willcooper8028]

I can’t help but think back to ant man’s introduction in the beginning of endgame. Honestly if they just gave Paul Rudd an entire movie more in line with that kind of character work, he would become an extremely valuable and popular leading character in the MCU. I think he can carry a lot of weight, they just aren’t letting him.

[@FullFatVideos]

I agree! He excels in both civil war and endgame but they never translate that to the solo pictures

[@williampearson6299]

@@FullFatVideos No Way Home sucked. Your nostalgia is fogging up your glasses

[@willcooper8028]

@@williampearson6299 pretty sure he doesn’t like no way home that much, it’s just clearly better than quantumania

[@williampearson6299]

@@willcooper8028 NWH still sucks, though. Nerds really jumped the shark with that one

[@traktor420]

@@williampearson6299 your opinion is not fact

[@sandwichboy1268]

I would have loved if like, Luis got lost in the quantum realm for a bit and then the mid-credit scene was Luis telling a story like normal but it's some wild quantum-realm stuff and then whoever he's telling it to is like "I didn't understand any of that"

[@stelo4996]

It would have been better if Modok was phase 5's Loki. Same movie but replace Kang with Modok and let the viewers see how different and bitter Modok was to the Ant family. And in the end, instead of defeating Modok, Kang would appear saving him, beating the ant family in the process. You know, just to show how powerful the next set of villains are. To add some flare, maybe Kang would kidnap Cassie and transport the Ant family back to normal earth so they can feel what the consequence is for facing Kang. This would then make Scott bitter setting him up for the next movies ahead.

[@Addy0302]

Can we also talk about how Hank Pym went from a fairly interesting character in the other movies to "guy who really likes ants" in Quantumania?

[@mrman1051]

Kang was the best part

[@Spud1189]

Agreed, acting was solid and I like how he’s just a petty warlord who’s willing to destroy entire universes just to get revenge. He’s not Thanos from IW cause at least he did things cause he felt they had to be done while Kang is just a guy who thinks he’s a god.

[@chasehedges6775]

Jonathan Majors deserves better

[@Sly-jd5jw]

Cool pfp

[@sealionstudios8597]

Kang was an idiot

[@mr.handsomecoffeecup2406]

The leaked Edgar Wright Ant-man test footage is way better than any minute of Antman quantumania.

[@Tuxin1]

you and the other fans here are so exhausting, Quantumania is a good movie, sucks that Edgar wright didn’t get involved, deal with it.

[@josephhirning2642]

@@Tuxin1 people have different opinions, deal with it.

[@bervestormbottom3357]

​@VaderMemes you're a fucking idiot plain and simple this movie was shit and if you like it you're taste is trash and probably suck as a person

[@Tuxin1]

@@josephhirning2642 Oh I am dealing with it, but Edgar Wright isn’t apart of the movie, deal with it, and also, you’re Zack Synder fan.

[@josephhirning2642]

@@Tuxin1 I like some of his work. But I can assure you that I don't kiss his ass like some fans. Telling people they need to "deal with it". Really?

[@JD-iu6rv]

I wonder how the movie would be received if they stuck with the original ending where Kang wins

[@phantomspider8083]

That fact that Kang lost really was ass. And that’s not even mentioning the fact that he lost to fucking ants 💀

[@TheGalacticWest]

Its amazing how the entirety of youtube can fix marvels problems but they higher R&M writers. I think everyone agrees that Modok should be the main villain and be deformed but the point where he puts strain on Janet and Hanks relationship is a great addition.

[@theGameClown93]

Damn bro, that line about a little jerk party with my special friends really caught me off guard 😂😂😂

[@KeatonHabeck]

It honestly felt like a massive Rick and morty episode

[@raydhen8840]

Then you look at who writes this movie, and everything makes sense

[@mr.moviemafia]

10:10 “The best scene in the movie is the heist” ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THIS! That scene’s creativity and emotional depth alone made up for a lot of the bad in the movie for me

[@fgstech4857]

Why couldn't Kang escape the Quantum universe himself? Good review!

[@CookingwithJamesG]

Damn that idea of Darren being introduced at the beginning is fucking good, I have no idea what that Kang intro adds to the movie, that would add so much to MODOK’s appearance later

[@henrygambles3652]

Agreed! I feel like MODOK should have been the main antagonist, maybe he leads AIM from inside the Quantum Realm since that what MODOK is known for and he didn’t do it!

[@Hunter_6430]

AIM already happened like… ten real-world years ago. For Iron Man 3. Creates more questions than it answers.

[@erubin100]

@@Hunter_6430 yeah but does anyone actually remember AIM? I think everyone mostly remembers the fake mandarin and the white guy with the dragon tatoos.

[@ammonite0257]

@@erubin100 you could literally just bring aim up in the same movie. It’s not that crazy for it to just pop up again. Now super intelligent ants beating kang out of nowhere? That’s reaching

[@henrygambles3652]

@@Hunter_6430 Not Really Maybe that’s who Sonny Burch’s buyers were and Since Killian is dead they’d need a leader so MODOK is the best choice!

[@onEmEmbErstudios]

Wow, I have not thought about that. You're right. MODOK being the real villain would make more sense and Kang could be alive.

[@bluroguevyse08]

After seeing it myself with friends, talking with them about it, and listening to extensive online reviews to hear a lot I discussion on the movie, I get the sense that anybody who has watched Rick and Morty seems to hate this movie, probably because they’ve “been there, done that”. I haven’t watched that show, and am objectively critical. I enjoyed this movie. I also go into these with a blank slate (no expectations). I notice that people who go in expecting greatness are always disappointed no matter what.

[@stalebread9825]

I dislike rick and morty and this movie and I didn’t expect greatness either, just another money grab sequel and it turned out to be just that but lazier at least spy kids 3 is better

[@Yearman8]

I found this film to be ok - like a 5 out of 10. After seeing the trailer from like October, I thought the film was going to be bad so I had no expectations for this but was interested to see how Kang was going to play out. I thought MODOK was wasted and Kang's demise was poor but not just because of the ants (looking back on it, it does make sense in universe as it's already been established that time moves differently in the quantum realm so it does make sense to why the ants could have lived a few generations and became advanced before the last battle, however for it to be the reason why battle gets leveled with the main villain is not the best way to go about it in terms of storytelling and it was also very predictable that something was trying to contact Hank as soon as the hearing aids was acting up the first time)

[@jesse76th96]

The movie overall was ok, the ending and Kangs defeat was terrible.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

Everything was heading towards INFINITY WAR and ENDGAME Now the MCU became one big bubble, ready to burst

[@Patrick-wl6pw]

No

[@mattimusprimal637]

From phase 4 to present, MCU stopped having true sequels to their previous films. Now, they’re sequels to unrelated Disney+ series. (Doctor Strange 2 is a sequel to WandaVision and Aut-Man 3 is a sequel to Loki, instead of, their proceeding films)

[@Raphentei]

Getting out of the theater a week ago I thought it was the best Ant-Man movie, but upon further thought, your video and the fact that they recast Cassie from Endgame without telling her and just to have a bigger name makes me sad

[@Roz_Clear]

The Ant-Man Quantumania I have in my head based on the few clips I've seen and the trailer is so much better than the actual movie that I don't even wanna see it tbh. I'll just pretend Scott was still a good father and he fought Kang to the death infront of the portal while going from Giant-Man to Ant-Man to try to get the upperhand and eventually trapping them both (just Kang and Scott) in the Quantum Realm.

[@Tryingtogetradical]

Also, I feel like they threw Chiddy (don’t remember his real name) as fan service and to get him out of the way so we can’t ask for him as Mr. Fantastic anymore

[@TheBombasticFatRat]

I kind of would have liked for Modok to be a phase villain along with the resurgence of A.I.M with Either Modok leading it or co-leading it with some like Monica Rappucini (Just cuz I kinda like the whole scientist supreme thing). Plus it could have introduced the cosmic cube

[@tomaszchomicki9794]

The intro after two minutes was perfect

[@MikeMJPMUNCH]

When I saw the film the moment M.O.D.O.K took off his helmet to reveal Darren Cross someone got up and left.

[@zenvultra4457]

Damn 😂

[@seansoku67]

It was definitely underwhelming especially when Janet was shown to be extremely afraid of kang but then his defeat was stupid. I would have preferred one of the heroes to die to show why kang is terrifying

[@sleekemu356]

Rewatching some of the 2000s marvel movies and the x men film, I really miss the tone of those film, yeah they can be goofy like the fantastic four and ghost rider but there's still that tone of talking the situation very serious. I like to know what's your opinion on Nicholas Cage's ghost rider, do you think he should return or is Nicholas Cage a good ghost rider and what do you think of his black skull appearance in spirit of vengeance

[@austinb2177]

I do mind that MODOK is silly. People seem to forget that, although he looks kind of silly, he’e actually very menacing in the comics. You can look at his depiction in the Avengers video game, where he’s the main villain. He’s vicious. MODOK was one of the villains I’ve been waiting on for a long time, like the Leader and Red Hulk, and he was treated like garbage. Unbelievable. Between this and the Hulu show, he’s a complete joke now. And if they really wanted him in this movie, they should have made him 100% robotic with a consciousness like Arnim Zola. Not like this man, my god…

[@MetalMadness_00]

He was only in the movie because fanboys like u were screaming over it

[@traktor420]

@@MetalMadness_00 no, he was in the movie cus the writers wanted to put him in, Disney is a multi billion dollar corporation, they don’t care what neckbeards on Reddit think

[@John-Doe-Yo]

10:04 you know this came up but someone was against it because “how would they know it’s an ant man movie?”

[@kevinw712]

honest question -- was Crystal Skull really the first movie to do the "because they weren't you" line? because of course I noticed this lift immediately, but then I was wondering if it was any more of a common thing than I'd believed.

[@andrewdyckman3616]

*Spoilers* Speaking of Rick and Morty. They have a council of kangs 😂

[@skinner219]

Hahahaha

[@JakeSmith-mq5dc]

I mentioned before how I thought Scott's mian motivation of traveling into the Quantum Realm should've been to save Darren because of his belief in 2nd chances. Why would he take so long, because it would only recently be brought to his attention that Darren might still be alive, and stranded. Adding in the dynamic of Darren bonding with Hank's wife makes it even better.

[@clemensprod.5756]

I would have started off this movie by showing Darren’s painful perspective of shrinking down to the quantum realm. Set a different tone, a serious painful tone. Darren is modok form is about to die before Kang shows up. Kang should know about Darren, he should know that Darren is a scientist type figure who worked for Pym industries on shrinking tech.

[@realwaifus5514]

We have two new versions of the sky beam: wacky cgi mindfuck worlds and a final battle between two cgi armies.

[@Bugthaw]

I will never ever understand why the writers decided to make MODOK the same person as Yellowjacket. That seems like the most abhorrent decision ever made in the MCU.

[@kuokublaikhan]

Even more Star Wars + Rick and Morty than I expected. It even had the Citadel of Ricks at the end. Also agree about Kang. He's appeared twice now and been killed twice. So how is he scary?

[@NebMunb]

"We aren't given cause to like or dislike him." That was but one variant of Kang. Just a little taste before we dive into the Dynasty

[@AsgersWeb]

Funny because Wakanda Forever looks fucking horrible too lmfao

[@micheleazzu]

08:48 I mean, there's a WAR fight going on around them and Cassie finds it comfortable enough to smile silly at her dad, nothing of this makes sense, she's about 18 years old she should be terrified

[@FloofyCloud115]

Yeah, and on top of that have silly wacky marvel jokes like “i c r a v e c i t r u s” when Kang’s about to instant transmission outta there-

[@Water_Me_Loan]

Marvel Studios can just use the George Tarleton version of M.O.D.O.K. in the Young Avengers Disney Plus series if they want to.

[@Joecbg100]

*Tarleton I've been pitching for an AIM return for years now, I don't think it'll happen.

[@MetalMadness_00]

@@Joecbg100maybe they recreate a more accurate MODOK

[@Joecbg100]

@@MetalMadness_00 Unless AIM comes back and finds blue-prints, i dunno. They had a chance with Agents of SHIELD and Marvel told them to stop, about this Russian assassin now a head in a jar and controlled robot look-a-likes.

[@Water_Me_Loan]

@@Joecbg100oh, thank you for correcting that!

[@Memecs20]

10:42 Hey that's true haha, totally forgot those lines from the trailers... kinda sucked that I went to the bathroom before the heist scene and by the time I got back to my seat felt i didn't miss a thing...

[@chasformer3091]

MODOK should have been an Ironman movie villain.

[@Downut_]

I'm mostly mad about how they shafted him during his death. They played it off as a joke and as soon as he passed they moved on like it was nothing.

[@StephenLeGresley]

I agree MODOK should've been the villain. There actually was no need for Kang in this film. It's only because of his history with the Quantum Realm in the comics that he was put into this and even that doesn't make sense because in the comics the only reason he has a connection to the realm is because thats where his wife Rovanna Renslayer is from. And in the MCU she isn't so his connection to it is meaningless. I think they were doing fine using Kang in the Loki show to build him up and it should've stayed there. MODOK is exactly the kind of silly villain that would've given Ant-Man the comedy element it needed and it even makes perfect sense, you could have Darren go to the Quantum Realm exactly the same way as before and had Janet find him and help him only for him to betray her and become a tyrant same as they had Kang do.

[@StephenLeGresley]

Also, *Ahem* *Throat Cleared* *Sits and relaxes*... ANTMAN SHOULD LAST 2 SECONDS AGAINST KANG! Kang in the comics has kicked the crap out of entire Avengers teams before, He's killed Avengers before. One time it took the whole planet to take him down and another time it took an army of Avengers from across the multiverse to take him down. This is another reason why Kang did not belong in this movie. For Doctor Who fans out there, this would be like Donna's mother defeating Davros or The Master. Kang is so OP that Scott should've been nothing more than a bug (pun intended) to him.

[@TheRealChrisTDH]

Watching the trailers, and even certain parts of the movie, it feels like the creators of this movie wanted to make something different, but the higher-ups at Marvel/Disney wouldn’t let them.

[@Barot8]

Totally agree MODOKand Aim should have been the villains. Kang is too big to have been the main villain in the movie. Ideally if he was going to show up, it would be one of the more minor variants if at all. I feel MODOK was treated more as a joke which he shouldn't have been. Had it been done serious it would have been more tragic. VFX artists need to start work on the next MCU movie and start a strike in the middle of CGI production.

[@TheRealJahan]

I appreciate this video, it expresses the way I feel about the movie in a way I cannot. My entire friend group thoroughly enjoyed the movie and I find myself in a position of not wanting to be “that guy” with my contradictory opinion. The only part of the movie I really enjoyed was whenever Jonathan Majors was on screen

[@citizenorange9956]

Personally it should have been about modok freeing kang from the quantum realm. And the pyms trying to stop him but failing and taking heavy losses.

[@TheGalacticWest]

7:57 was that guy in the back added in by full fat or was that genuine

[@houseofpibb1435]

I thought the cgi in Wakanda Forever was crap I haven’t seen Ant Man yet but if it’s true about the cgi team dedicated their time to that I assume it’s going to look incredibly bad

[@Wally480]

Totally agree with your feelings on this subject. I assume your familiar with GameTheory/FilmTheory? So Matt just released a video on Quantum Mania and I think you would find it interesting.

[@Gabroidz]

weirdly quite enjoyed the movie and MODOK was one of my favourite parts, found him menacing at times, loveable at others and really fun- for everything ive heard, all of his jokes landed for me and the theatre i was in

[@dread_wolf2301]

The first half of this movie i was kinda confused as to why people were saying it was so bad because it was just kinda meh but then i got to the second half and i was just "ah i see now"

[@bim41337]

I really have to agree with you :D This movie is just so uneventful and packed with uninteresting characters and half-assed plot points. I especially hated the thing with the advanced ants (advants? 😆) being the Get out of Jail free card.

[@mixedbagclips2511]

“How can I show clips of an unreleased movie…?” Well, you could ask Odin’s lost son for help: Tor.

[@uchihabomber1296]

Seriously tho who’s idea was it to put Kang in an Ant-Man movie out of ALL characters man

[@chicagomusicguide]

Before going in to see the movie, we knew that Kang had to be done 'smart', anything less than that was going to be an immediate failure. There was so much wrong with this movie, it hurt, and if the writer is going to be working on Kang Dynasty, Marvel is DOOMED. M.O.D.O.K. was un-freaking-believable how they trashed that character. It would have been easy to overlook how terrible he looked if he were written well, but we got NOTHING good in this movie at all.

[@LordHollow]

Kang should have been curb-stomping every movie he saunters into in Phase 5. Shouldn't even be a fight for him.

[@mixedbagclips2511]

When you are more interested in imagining a movie about the ants evolution…

[@ryanpayne4401]

Ehhhh. I wouldn’t call Ant Man the worst trilogy. To me it was obvious that this film wasn’t going to measure up to expectations because of the addition of Kang. Seeing there’s only 1 writer credited to this movie already gave me a lot of doubts that it wasn’t going to match the same tone as the previous installments. While I liked the idea that we’re going to see the Quantum Realm, I was disappointed that there wasn’t more opportunities to explore it. It’s clear that this movie should’ve been a 2 parter. Quantumania part 1 could’ve had MODOK as the villain & then part 2 could set up Kang

[@MinesAGuinness]

This film was a shame, as it abandoned many elements that I found enjoyable in the previous Ant-Man outings. So, after the fact, of course, here are my belated suggestions! It absolutely required a first act set more thoroughly on Earth, in which we see more interaction with Cassie and the forgotten supporting cast from the previous films. My suggestion would be a sequence in which a character with a suit using Pym particles is engaged in protecting people or a place - guided by the guys from X-Con over ear pieces - only to find themselves confronting police officers, who consider their actions not conducive to public order... or plain just don't agree with the cause involved and want to arrest them rather than solve a systemic problem in society. This is when it is revealed that it is Cassie, not Scott Lang, who has ‘borrowed’ his suit. I liked the idea behind their slight difference of opinion (its made clear how good their relationship is by the fact that they never truly argue about it - Cassie is just so inspired by Scott that it worries him as a father) over whether Scott could do more with his abilities or has become too focused upon making up for lost time with his family. However, I think that we needed to see Cassie act in a way that shows not tells this - as well as providing some of the lost cast something to do. If the rest of the Quantum Realm idea is retained, I might adapt a few elements. First, bring the X-Con team, Cassie's mother and her step-father there too, to take part in a rebellion against the big villain. This provides opportunities for them all to demonstrate that they do live up to Cassie's expectations - that they care about people and are willing to take risks, as they all did in previous films. They also thus get to see Cassie come into her own and appreciate her, instead of this being assumed in a hasty end scene that is more focused on Scott's internal monologue. Second, make MODOK not a villain but a hero in the Quantum Realm. I have always found him to be a silly-looking, megalomaniac-for-the-sake-of-it character in comics, so I was pleasantly surprised to enjoy the film playing up to this comedic quality and making a connection to the earlier films and the characters. So, why not? I think they should have built upon the idea that he, as Darren, actually is pleased to see Cassie, and cannot for the life of him bring himself to hurt someone he remembers as a child. He was selfish and ambitious, and having a nervous breakdown at the time, but not a deliberate child-killer. Third, I like the idea of it being him that Janet helped, and that initially they worked as a team to help build a society in the Quantum Realm for the benefit of all - and Darren somewhat believed in it himself. He likes her and contrasts it with his feelings of betrayal by his mentor Hank. I would also keep the ants. I know, but they're cute! Janet had a few crawling on her suit when she initially shrank herself into the Quantum Realm. Maybe they helped build their egalitarian society there with her and Darren? Fourth, I think that - if he must be included to introduce him for future projects - this is where Kang the Conqueror might be introduced. He arrives in the Quantum Realm, and tries to charm Janet and Darren, offering his own technology for his liberty to return to the external world. But while Janet is taken in, it is Darren who is suspicious -using his enhanced computational brain to suspect an ulterior motive or notice his multiversal nature and doing some investigating. Kang makes his play to take over the Quantum Realm, and at some point Janet is brought back to San Francisco - leaving Darren to lead a resistance against the Conqueror. He forms MODOK - Mass Opposition Determined to Overthrow Kang. "Technically, that's MODTOK?" Maybe, he's upset that Janet disappeared, much as Bill Murray's pointless character was (who I would remove) - and Janet feels guilty for abandoning him involuntarily but also out of fear - but they overcome this as they realise that Kang has forced the ants to pervert their once-fabulous city into a huge time-and-space travelling machine. Have Cassie and Hank recognise this, thanks in part to their work with their ant colony back on Earth. The dramatic conflict of Janet's temptation to accept a deal from Kang to go back in time is given instead to more of the characters - in return for handing over Darren, whose mental powers are what is required to handle the computations. Go back in time and never make the mistakes that sent them to prison; that led to them being lost in the Quantum Realm; that led them to lose so much time either physically or emotionally with their daughter or parent. Everyone reasons themselves into rejecting Kang's offer - except for Scott, who seemingly falls for it. Perhaps Darren refuses to help Kang, but Kang threatens that Cassie could be used as a replacement with fatal consequences, until Scott agrees to betray them all. Cassie is outraged. For the first time, she feels that he has let her down, and betrayed his principles. She determines to continue the resistance, even if she must fight her own father. She shows her independence and ability to fight for others even at risk to her own life. Hank persuades the ants to rebel/frees them to add to their resistance. I like the idea of him keeping the ability to talk to them. Of course, it’s a trick. Darren has done a Dr Strange and worked out that this is their best chance to prevent an even greater threat: the unleashing of a multiverse of Kangs that Darren predicts might exist. Plug me in to Kang’s machine, he begs, and I will sacrifice my life to sabotage the calculations, sending him back instead unceremoniously to the assembly of Kangs to be dealt with. The effort kills him, but Darren still gets his moment to, genuinely, have acted like an Avenger. Cassie understands that her father is and always was an Avenger, willing to stand up for the little guy. The ominous ending has Darren’s plan having a fatal flaw: in sending the Conqueror back to the other Kang’s, he inadvertently alerted them to the existence of their dimension. They trace it back to the Quantum Realm, and then through the connection to Cassie’s device… We start in the same place, and reach the same end, but it was more fun along the way! What do you think? :-)

[@domlo66]

When I saw it, at the moment Bill Murray took his hood off to reveal he was Bill Murray, a teenager started laughing. He hadn't even said anything yet. It was like "lol I know who that is"

[@TheLastNewYorker]

*not proud* nHaven't been to an opening premire to ANY film in Phase 4, I actually watched both BP2 and ANTMAN 3 online, I'll be waiting for it on D+ soon, but might actually go to cinemas to watch it in 3-D due to the wacky visuals which are pleasing to look at. Even in its dark, grainy version.

[@hicks7884]

THANK YOU for pointing out that the trailers clickbaited us on essentially a different premise for the movies. The one thing I hate the most about this movies is the flashbacks. When MODOK first appeared in the movie, both scott and cassie mentioned his name and referenced that he was yellow jacket in the 1st movie. There was literally no need for a flashback. The only ppl who would watched this movie are the ppl who were already invested in antman movies before. The one takeaway i had after watching the movie that it felt like a kid movie

[@wynog994]

I'm sincerely just hoping they get things back on track. I want to love these movies- I just think they need to take more risks as it's not even that the movies are bad imo They are just uninteresting? I've felt unmotivated to watch anything marvel and star wars lately as it sucks as I fucking ADORE those worlds. Yet, everything coming out just feels fine? Like even if it they were outright bad at least it'd be more interesting then just pretty samey predictable stories. I will just say, doubly so hope they get the MCU back on track. As the physicality of Kang when he's using his powers was great- Giving he's just firing off invisible laser beams on set, the way Jonathan Majors moves his body so aggressively was hella cool. He definitely could be an amazing villain as long as they actually start taking risks and doing something interesting with him.

[@ascenciopictures]

I'm glad I'm not the only one to think that MODOK should've been the main villain.

[@jon66097]

Kang had absolutely no connection with Ant Man, at all. Janet Van Dyne should have been the main character of this movie.

[@sealionstudios8597]

I think it was perfectly fair for me to expect more from Peyton for this one after he brought back Luke Skywalker in Mando season 2 last year and gave us a great action scene with him. Tsk 😶

[@moonsy-9733]

The main reason I liked MODOK is he reminded me this was an Antman film and he really is not that serious of a character in the MCU... Having said that, I hope we see MODOK again, a really REALLY evil & better written version of him, in the future but for more MCU characters..

[@evenhartwick4422]

i would like a new better Modok but Marvel can't keep giving the fans bad villains just for the fans to say "okay but next time give us the real one" Happened with Mandarin, Happened with taskmaster, now people want it for modok.

[@Kageofyoutube]

“ I will not pretend 2 like it becuz it will satisfy ur fanboy rage” I love this guy already I’m new here.

[@FullFatVideos]

Hahaha

[@Joseph-tj2in]

Just imagine all the death and destruction that could've been prevented if only the Avengers had Cassie around to tell Thanos to stop being a dick.

[@gabrieltelmo6400]

one thing's for sure. kang shouldve won, antman shouldve died, cassie with a bittersweet start of becoming a hero

[@gensteps923]

You are one of the first person to bring up the fact that kang has no build up/backstory. They don't SHOW anything about what happened/how. Like you said they should have SHOWN how the Council of Kangs caught him, maybe show a battle between them at the beginning to establish how much of a threat he is, but he gets defeated at the end of it and banished , vowing to escape with revenge. That would have helped at least. Yes I know they exposition dump about his conquering and stuff later in the movie but they should have shown this in the beginning to build him up, then the fight with the council, then he gets banished, and then the rest of the plot begins

[@clseabus]

This movie should’ve been named “Ants, man”

[@christianmanka3884]

MODOK should have been the main villain! Im glad I’m not the only one who thinks that.

[@kingbeef66]

He should’ve been like the MODOK from the Marvel’s Avengers game. They wasted such A material for MODOK just for a video game.

[@mickeymouse7726]

Do a video on how you would fix the MCU

[@wasabi-in-my-eye3134]

They should have used elvis modok design

[@mattj1829]

I fell asleep during the end so i can't really comment on some things but i did find it refreshing that Kang was a bad guy just because, not everything needs to be grey. He can just be a cunt, if they need to expand it later they can. Also, why is cassie a genius? If she came from the pym side of the family it would make sense.

[@Joecbg100]

I could let the effects slide if they used him well and not they dropped the evil criminal egg.

[@TheScarletSlayer]

It's a sad day when your movie franchises entire 4th phase is outshined by one film about a talking sword fighting cat in boots.

[@seancarroll136]

Does anyone bother to do a redesign live-action Sonic challenge to M.O.D.O.K!?

[@N-GinAndTonicTM]

If they changed the "AND I. AM NOT. A DICK!" line to "AND I. AM NOT. A WEAPON!" it could've been a great ending for him.

[@ryanhau1073]

This is a Hot Take. MODOK was unironically the best part of Quantumania

[@dylanzweighaft0000]

No MODOK should’ve NEVER been in Antman 3, idk why they thought it was a “good” idea to bring Darren back a character literally no one likes bc he’s so forgettable, all they did was scratch out his face like Mr. Electric from Shark Boy and Lava Girl and that’s NOT what MODOK is plus he is associated with an organization called AIM so why tf is he Kang’s bitch?

[@anthonyfreire7251]

Would you say that maybe the Marvel VFX problem isn't quantity it's more indecisiveness of Marvel Studios not giving the VFX team enough time to keep up with the constant changes? I think James Gunn's comments on how Marvel works are telling. Working on the movie until almost the day before release. That and the heavy workload is a recipe for disaster. Imo if you nail down design and story before hand then this type of thing wouldn't be as much of an issue. That being said the movie was a huge let down. Definitely not trying to give Marvel any excuses.