Was Sunny's Mother a Unicorn?!?

[@GallopCrush]

Or could be Unicorn in the family tree like Pound Cake and Pumpkin Cake. Mr. Cake: Easy. My great-great-great-great-grandfather was a unicorn, and Cup Cake's great-aunt's second cousin twice removed was a Pegasus. That makes sense, right?

[@broppy_for_ever001]

Yes it does !

[@L337M4573RK]

It makes sense...when used as evidence regarding unfaithfulness and infidelity in a divorce hearing!

[@ejirocreative9406]

I mean, yeah that does make sense

[@God-T]

Holy Sh*t their names line up, maybe they really are descendants of Luna and Celestia

[@qurrat-ul-aintaufique8950]

Yea!

[@maciejk5255]

Sunny and Izzy being sisters would be absolutely midnblowing. I want Sunny's mom to be a unicorn now, it would certainly be a good way to expand on Argyle's backstory

[@starchimes]

most people ship them so i’d. argue that would be a bad twist

[@ArthropodJay]

noooo my shiiiiip

[@minecraftweeeweeweeb8695]

@@ArthropodJay 😭?

[@everest3619]

I actually really like that idea.

[@chrono-glitchwaterlily8776]

I find that idea absolutely hilarious (in a good way)

[@evangeloevoxi]

I had a theory that Sunny was adopted by Argyle, who turns out to be a very important pony in Equestrian history as a member of a group who researched the ancient world, and the safest place for Sunny and Argyle would be in Maretime Bay. But I changed my mind after I saw the concept art of their matching color schemes. And as a digital artist and animator obsessed with colors, I have no idea how I didn't notice his colors matching Izzy's perfectly lol. I love this theory of them being sisters. I'd imagine either they're twins, or they were only a few months or years apart in age and were too young to remember traveling with their whole family together. Then, if you add this theory with the one about Argyle being alive and trapped somewhere magical or something like that, you could theorize that both of their parents are trapped together. There could be an episode where they discover through other ponies or creatures that they are sisters and maybe even see a picture of them all together, and hear that they could still be alive, so they set out to find them. Happily ever after lol

[@markcummings4281]

I agree.

[@sawyerkettler4612]

thought that sunny was a descendant of scootaloo because there color schemes are almost identical. This one is a stretch but Argyle could be descendant of twilight there color schemes kinda match and he has a similar mane color pattern to twilight if either of these are true it could explain how Argyle knows so much stuff

[@kristieackerman904]

Argyle being Twilight's descendant would make alot of sense both love books and learning there knowledge of friendships between the different ponys could have been through reading her friendship journal and the gem could have also been given to him through family also he had a necklace with Twilight's cutie mark or really close .plus the color scheme is very similar aswell . Sorry for the giant run on sentence but I was ridiculously excited about getting it down

[@theserpentinewarrior7142]

The combination of this video + this comment + these replies has given me major fanfic inspiration. Dr. Wolf just got what he asked for. :D XD

[@heynotizzy7493]

Really far cry but its possible

[@techclass1896]

I had expressed the idea of Sunny's mom being in a different group (Pegasus or Unicorn) in your last video about Argile, so it's not much of a shock. The idea of Sunny following Celestia's hoofprints makes perfect sense (and not just due to the name similarity). She is more outgoing than twilight, despite the purplish hair color and Izzy expressing that her sparkle was lavender. Sunny pushes for the idea of pony unity and the idea of the three groups working together and seems to hold the idea of general group morale/ponies working together. The idea of friendship being the base came from stories about Twilight who was Celestia's student, so yes, Twilight has been put on a pedestal in Sunny's eyes. However, Sunny seems to work through encouraging others (ponies in particular) in a similar way that the idea of Celestia raising the sun brought encouragement to ponies who were scared of things falling apart. Twilight was not as outgoing initially and even had to be pushed at times to take initiative. In a way, she reminds me of the best of Applejack and Celestia combined. Applejack is able to work hard and adjust to some degree as needed. Celestia is able to inspire others, but still show humility/forgiveness (especially towards the end of G4) because she is aware of limits and wants to encourage others to generally do their best/help each other.

[@sawyerkettler4612]

thought that sunny was a descendant of scootaloo because there color schemes are almost identical

[@TheCommenterDragon]

Now that you mention it Doc, i often wondered whatever happened to Sunny's mother because that too is also anyone's guess.

[@tme1518]

She got the Disney parent treatment

[@spacetea2339]

trashed away because they couldnt make a proper design of it and decided to fuck it

[@catshal1067]

You know that’s what I believed too. Perhaps Argyle fell in love with a unicorn or Pegasus but they couldn’t be together because of the whole separation thing. But they end up getting eloped anyways. But they were still forced to separate. And maybe Sunny has a secret brother or sister who was a unicorn or a Pegasus.

[@Asmodeus_682]

Kinda like Bright Mac and Pear Butter in a way just a bit sadder

[@suhanijain8407]

@@Asmodeus_682 I agree

[@Galimeer5]

Until we see more complete family trees, I'm going to assume color schemes are random, not genetic. That's mostly how it was in G4 (although it became a little more organized in later seasons). Right now, every known parent is single so we can't put anything together yet. That said, I doubt Sunny and Izzy are related simply because we already have a family dynamic in the Mane 5, that being Zipp and Pipp. Adding another one would probably dilute the whole "friendship" theme.

[@Viandwhat3969]

Not to mention some of the oddly romantic scenes between them in the movie. Like how often it showed them with their muzzles inches apart

[@hiccy6927]

@@Viandwhat3969 hate to burst your bubbles, but muzzle touching? That is a very common thing in G4, and it's only for a playful gesture, not a romantic one (between the Mane 6, at least)

[@celebrityguest.9530]

@@Viandwhat3969 yeah i feel like there are too many vaguely romantic implications to make them related

[@Viandwhat3969]

@@hiccy6927 sure but they were friends. Izzy and sunny had barely met

[@hiccy6927]

@@Viandwhat3969 i'm sorry. I don't quite get what you're trying to say here

[@Heavilune]

If Sunny’s mother was a unicorn would make a lot of since XD good theory doc! And it makes since that sunny and izzy would be sisters because think of it sun and moon opposites!

[@thelittleal1212]

Yeah, Imagine something like a lost sisters like story, where they didn’t realize they where sisters the whole time,

[@Heavilune]

@@thelittleal1212 that would be so amazing!

[@thelittleal1212]

@@Heavilune also do you notice argyle also has purple eyes just like Izzy? Also another reason to believe this Theorie

[@Heavilune]

@@thelittleal1212 yess! And she and sunny seem to have a similar personality to argyle! Like a fire to learn!

[@thelittleal1212]

@@Heavilune might these two be the next Luna and celestial? 😉 Also want to check out my second channel? I have just now started it for a month

[@star-stonelegend]

This is very interesting that Sunny’s mom could be a unicorn. It would explain why Sunny’s dad is soo interested in equestria’s history. This could also be the reason why he is missing. I mean could he be out there looking for his wife? Whatever the case may be I’m looking forward to the new Netflix series explaining the situation. And I will admit it does remind me of the rebooted DuckTales series when we get to find out what happened to Huey, louie, and Dewey‘s mother Della duck.

[@masqueradenoir5767]

What the hell happened to hitches family he leaves Sunny's house with sprout and Phyllis in the film's opening but was apparently allowed to spend more time with sunny than Sprout was which makes you wonder what's going on with his family compared to Argyle and Phyllis is clear hatred of each other

[@wiktoriafrozen3913]

Maybe Hitch is an orphan, but he was adopted by Phyllis, who only cared about raising Sprout and giving him her racism, completely ignoring Hitch, not only because he was her adopted, not biological child, but also because he didn't wanted to listen and appreciate her racism since childhood. That probably makes Sprout and Hitch adopted siblings, and maybe introduce their hard, but still brotherly and interesting relationship.

[@jasminkrieger8464]

​@@wiktoriafrozen3913hitch was a grandma

[@jasminkrieger8464]

​@@wiktoriafrozen3913so He isnt alone was a familys member

[@The_Double_U]

Someone on Derpibooru made a Headcanon that Sunny and Argyle are Future Descendants of Starlight Glimmer. A Headcanon I pretty much accepted. And since it is possible Starlight married Sunburst, it's possible thay are descendants of Sunburst too.

[@tromedlovdrolmai]

My thoughts about it when I first viewed the movie is that Argyle's ancestors were passing down the heritage through their family, because they are Twilight's descendants.

[@owenwildish331]

I love the idea of Sunny & Izzy being (secretly) sisters. imagine look on their faces when they find out if that turns out to be the case (If any of the MLP writers who are working on the series is watching this, even if it's not exactly the plan initially, maybe they could perhaps consider the idea). :)

[@Jenkinsmum]

Not so ludicrous if you're open-minded like Argyle. Intriguing if Sunny learns about her family. It would be a plot twist if Izzy were related to Sunny. Big coincidence for Izzy to find Sunny's invitation to meet her. Sunny and Izzy as Celestia and Luna is an interesting yet far fetched theory, because they do not have the power to move the sun or moon (not yet at any rate).

[@blulies6159]

I think that since Twilight gave up her alicornness for her citizens, she appeared as an Earth pony, being accepted by their village. Living in the village and is not immortal she may have started a family. So she passed down her story from generation to generation, until it reached Sunny. Maybe Sunny's mom wasn't a unicorn but she had an ancestor who was.

[@piemaster1288]

I actually really like this idea. It actually already reminds me of a fanfic where Izzy was actually born in Zephyr Heights and the Queen, while still a Princess, had to take her to the Unicorn Forest so she could have a normal life. Now I'm kinda hoping that some form of this idea will be touched on in the series, even if it doesn't involve Sunny directly.

[@KaylaTechHeart]

What is the name of that fanfiction may I ask? I wanna read it.

[@Maieveryday2]

@@KaylaTechHeart i read that story, unfortunately i cannot remember the name. But it was really interesting and it was on Fimfiction

[@KaylaTechHeart]

@@Maieveryday2 It is on fim fiction? Thanks for letting me know. ^w^

[@pigifi]

@@KaylaTechHeart It's called "Finding A Haven" by SockPuppet. I read it myself as well. The premise is that any non-matching foals are to be treated as dead and be instead sent to their matching race's home instead due to an ancient pact. This is to prevent them from having to endure a foalhood of being attacked for having extra or no appendages.

[@KaylaTechHeart]

@@pigifi OH! Thank you so much!

[@sunflow2001]

I can totally see it! I really want it to be canon! Imagine, Argyle searching and exploring the world for answers of the past. While discovering his findings, he stumbles upon a unicorn. They’re skittish at first towards each other but maybe through days and nights of conversation because they were just so darn curious of each other, they get comfortable. Talking about things they have in common, Argyles findings, and the Equestrian past, they eventually develop feelings for one another. They have a life together away from both the earth and unicorn ponies because they knew none of them would accept their relationship. Time past and they have two fillies, Sunny, and Izzy. An earth pony and a unicorn. They try to raise their infant ponies but come to a realization that, they can’t isolate their fillies from society forever. However, at the same time, they can’t raise the fillies together in society because of the propaganda. So with tough consideration, they choose to raise Sunny and Izzy separately with their respective breeds. This might be going a little too far but I would personally love thisz

[@silasruedin9566]

You just described the theory I came up with myself the second Sunday after the movie was released! I wondered myself how Argyle's color scheme matches up with Izzy with none of it shared by Izzy. I didn't want to share this theory with anyone in case it turned out to be true and potentially spoil a Star Wars-esque plot twist. If Sunny and Izzy are unbeknownst to themselves sisters born from Argyle and an unnamed unicorn, could they also BOTH become the new royal sisters of Equestria who respectively raise and lower the sun and moon like Celestia and Luna did once the magical properties of the world are fully restored?

[@jamescole7614]

This idea would be wonderful for the show,which is probably why won't get it :( it would make an interesting dynamic, especially the idea of Izzy and Sunny ending up as sisters. I suggested in response to a fan fic based on the idea of looking for Sunny's mom of "What if her mother is an Alicorn?" Which would be similarly interesting. Her nothing haveing to leave Sunny and Argyle behind so Sunny could have a "Normal" Childhood. The idea that Sunny and Izzy are sisters would be similar, the two parents each taking one child because there was no settledment where they could all be accepted. We shall see, I just very much am hoping the other races are covered. What happened to dragons? With out magic how did changelings adapt? What about Hippogriffs/Seaponies did thier civilization split and now they don't even remember they are the same species?

[@albertriverez1727]

I don't know how to feel about this, I mean I do ship Sunny and Izzy. And my personal theory is that in the series, Sunny will develop some negative traits, that are easily resolved by friendship, some traits she inherited from her mom, who can easily be a villain. But that's just my stupid theory :)

[@dv8562]

If that were it be possible wouldn't the creators have had Izzy (after realizing Sunny sent that message) not only realize Sunny was the one who sent that message but also realize that Sunny and her are sisters of some sort? But either way it would be nice to have that be both a meet of the g5 main 5 and family reunion.

[@patrickmao9406]

Like to see those shipper react to that😆😆🤣🤣🤣Yes that's a thing

[@blueteller]

Can we just appreciate the fact that we live in times when writing story about star-crossed magical ponies sounds like a really cool idea?

[@georgewolf7063]

When I heard you suggesting that idea, it started the wheels turning. And yes... I suppose that would make a lot of sense! Especially when proposed that Sunny's mom (and any unicorn siblings) would obviously need to leave town to escape persecution... or the reverse, if Sunny and Argyle moved there from the unicorn forest. The only plot hole I could think of would be how Sunny and her father never talk about her mom, even in the privacy of their home. But that could've been simply a means of quelling any conflict or persecution from the other citizens of Maritime Bay. Or maybe (for our own suspense) we simply didn't observe those moments.

[@starcatcher9699]

It could be that Argyle was worried that Sunny would tell everyone in a misguided attempt at convincing everyone that the three tribes are meant to be friends, he might've planned to tell her when she was older but died/vanished before he could. It could also be why he never told anyone about magic being gone if it ever came up, the plan could've been to find the crystals and restore magic as a peace offering.

[@iSkeleton]

Well, Argyle's CutieMark happens to have Twilight's star in it. If you get your CutieMark by being talented/passionate/knowledgeable about a specific topic then it's pretty easy to believe that someone educated Argyle on the past, or he taught himself which tells me that knowledge of the Mane 6 is still available; if not entirely left to lore.

[@thelittleal1212]

Yeah I also have interesting theories about specific characters, first I kinda liked the background pony “beatnik unicorn” but in time it went on I have thought on many theories about this characters and the ponies she maybe descendant from. I recently made a video about it, to bad it didn’t got as many viewers, it’s a very interesting idea

[@johanstenfelt1206]

It truly was a interesting idea, makes me wonder about what else you could think up.

[@thelittleal1212]

@@johanstenfelt1206 yeah, I made a video about the beatnik pony that she might be a descendant of maud pie, go check it out, it’s on my second channel, I have just now started my channel, so it’s very small

[@johanstenfelt1206]

@@thelittleal1212 …pfff, buddy, I already have, that’s why i even made that Reply in the first place, did you pay attention to what i wrote? Or was what i wrote not clear enough?

[@thelittleal1212]

@@johanstenfelt1206 or pardon me, didn’t really noticed that, yeah i blame my self😂

[@johanstenfelt1206]

@@thelittleal1212 eh, no need, can happen to the best of us, it’s fine😉👍🏿.

[@KiaraLionessTM]

Or here’s my theory Twilight is actually Argyle’s mother and he’s secretly an alicorn that lost his wings and horn when magic disappeared and the pony races were separated and Sunny’s mother is one of Twilight’s students aka Luster Dawn 😁

[@blakdeth]

Me who ships sunny and izzy: uh oh

[@royw4883]

wow i wont be a bit suprized if sunny had a mom as a unicorn

[@mayaober7777]

Personally I think it’s more likely that Izzy or Sunny could be distant relatives of the CMC Sunny could be related to scootaloo, they both share a color scheme and some personality traits, such as their skill to adapt to new situations and their determination. Izzy, could be a relative to sweetybelle. She is very good at crafts, just like Sweetybelle and Rarity, and has a bubbly personality like sweetybelle. Personally I think that Hitch might be a distant relative to the apple family, maybe a descendent from the apples from mane batten or appleusa. He is the sheriff of the town and has great leadership skills just like applejack. Zipp and Pipp, I believe they are descended from Princess Cadence the Pegasus royal family share a color scheme with Cadence, Shining Armor, and Flurry Heart. Not only that, but Cadence was originally a Pegasus, it’s possible that after a while, her blood lien changes back from Alicorn the Pegasus

[@PokemonkaDub]

I think that if her mother was a unicorn that would undermine her character, making her the game changer because she was born to it and not because she - like anypony else could - had a different view. And making her and her dad just two earth ponies from long line of earth ponies, but learning and developing different believes than the rest of their race because they DECIDED to open their hearts have more power. And Sunny is the protagonist not Argyle so him just beeing in the mixed relationship would not have any weight on that idea right now.

[@gamewatch6861]

An interesting idea. If this happened I wonder how it came about.

[@phykoha]

Plot twist: Argyle and Sunny are descendants of Twilight Sparkle-

[@Cadencestar-uw7de]

Yeah they sure are

[@rowanknighthood7255]

More than likely, Sunny and Izzy's motivations and ardor was inherited from an actual parents, but Izzy's remains foreign, and I slightly skeptical that Celestia and Luna would ever bequeath there corporal configurations, and then be resurrected as a cosmetic pony or unicorn. As much as my hypothetical principle and notion is plausible, I'm still gonna wait, not gonna get my aspirations up merely yet, and I'm gonna inevitably be patient, like I frequently am, and wait till the alternation of spring to implement. Then, merely then, I'd like to empirically see some expositional context, embedded in the upcoming series, itself, (which you can say, it's practical and pretty crucial too).

[@thelittleal1212]

Their are also other known unicorns with similar coloring of sunny, like Sunset shimmer

[@finalfroggitapproaches6418]

Luster Dawn also fits the color scheme

[@Aslimb6gd]

I had the same theory about Sunny's mother. And having Izzy as a plot-twist sister to Sunny as farfetched as it would be would be mind-blowing. But then again, Izzy was told of the prejudice's. But based on how well she was taking the 'hospitality' of Maritime bay (Which makes me perceive her as a loving puppy) she may have just had the same curiosities as Sunny and didn't believe the conspiracy theories or propaganda but kept them in mind for inquiry. They could be fraternal twins for all we know. That would be two sets in the main cast.

[@kiki-chu4811]

Something my little sister tried to make me think of was Argyle being a unicorn. She saw his mane and thought that his mane was hiding his horn. I find the thought of Sunny's mom being a unicorn but listening to this video made me think of what my little sister keeps on telling me.

[@somerandomdude7785]

Speaking of unicorns, imagine if there was a unicorn who had no idea that she was actually a descendant of Twilight Sparkle.

[@82dorrin]

I think Argyle and Sunny are descendants of Twilight.

[@ejirocreative9406]

This makes perfect sense. Sunny did become an alicorn after all. And I would definitely enjoy Sunny and Izzy being sisters. The thing where you said (How did Izzy manage to have such a cheerful attitude?) It might just might be connected to Argyle. But this very theory that you had also came up to my mind at a certain time before I watched this video. So I just hope you get luck with the mlp staff to put this in the upcoming series.

[@dragonsbanecannibal9378]

I like To Think That's Sunny's Mom Is A Alicorn Descendent Of Twilight, Who Live(s/ed) With The Rest Of The Magical Creatures Who Are In Hiding Due To Equestria's Current Situation, She Met Argile On His Adventures, Which Is Why He Has So Many Artifacts And His Knowledge Of The Mane Six

[@JP.calamity]

I’m still holding onto the theory that Argyle is a decendant of Twilight

[@maybehawthorn]

As a writer, this is a really cool theory and it sets my mind buzzing with the possibilities. 👀 As a shipper, oh god oh no don't Skywalker my lesbians- 😱

[@Ryderboycolor9]

This thought came Across my mind too i even wonderd if Sunnys Mother is a an Alicorn that would be very intresting and the idea od Sunny and Izzy being lost Sisters makes so much sence and i would love that to bits like yes please one of my fav gen 5 videos you have done Dr Wolf.

[@mortenandersen4326]

What if Argyle is a descendant of Twilight Sparkle, not directly , but is in the Sparkle family, he has all this stuff because it is part of his family history. Just my guess, I have no idea

[@fictionfan0]

This is some Sawtooth Waves-level headcanoning. Take that as you will.

[@sykeassai]

I was skeptical when i first saw the video title, but with that reasoning, yeah. Surprisingly it does fit some element of logic. But then can we really asign color schemes to parents. Let's look at the other parents we do know about, Zipp and Pipp and Queen Haven. While Pipp follows her mother's color scheme, Zipp has little to no relation to her mother's colors. Sprout and Phyllis. Sprout shares his mother's hair color but not her skin color, so he presumably is half his mum and half his dad. I am not going to speculate who anyone else's father might be. But if Sunny and Izzy are related, they very well could be sisters or twins separated at birth. (I don't think G4 tackled long-lost siblings.) Even if they are not directly related, they could still be cousins. Or maybe their parents were friends, but just never had children, but brought their daughters up with knowledge of knowing one another. (feels like the secondary plot of FF8) I think this theory has merit, and it has the potential to go somewhere, especially since the 2 get along so well, more than any other duo in g5. But for the writers to be bold enough to tackle this subject? I don't think they'd have the courage to do it.

[@sykeassai]

Further on the sibling theory, Sunny was the only one who jumped in and got Izzy's song "fit right in" and was almost singing along with her while the others were struggling to keep up. On the flip side, Sunny's song "Gonna Be My Day", I don't think that it's a big stretch to imagine Izzy singing that song or her own very close variation. Conversely compare "I’m Lookin’ Out for You" with "Lotta Little things" two songs which are counters if Sunny and Izzy are sisters compared to Celestia and Luna. Maybe there is an element of foreshadowing or explaining deeper meaning with both songs. One near the end of G4 and the other at the very beginning of G5.

[@TheStarryArcher1213]

Now there's an interesting idea. And now I can't help but think of a Parent Trap style scenario. Siblings separated at an early age only to reunite in the future and try to get their parents back together. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us! ^_^ I wonder if there's ever been a case in the time period of MLP G5 where a foal of one pony race was born to parents of a different type. After all, it's been shown in MLP G4 that pony offspring can be the same type as one, both, or neither of their parents. Just look at the Cake twins and Scootaloo. It really makes me wonder about pony genetics.

[@-A-Hybrid-Skunk-Productions-]

I like this idea Doc. It makes very good sense. It would explain so much.

[@thegamingangel8389]

Has anyone noticed how Argyle looks like Twighlight? I feel like Argyle might have been one of Twighlights children, or maybe even the son of one of Twighlights children and that’s why he looks like Twighlight.

[@MrConredsX]

Her mother is a big mystery so that the season staff can create a big arc about her. Just like mother of triplets in Duck Tales and sister of Donald

[@ariamelody5560]

I do like the idea of them being sibling, but there is hope for Izzy and sunny being shipped, and I like this representation

[@galioncyapon3473]

I think sunny is a descent of Twilight and Flash on her mother's side Edit: this could be why she was chosen as the next Alicorn, she would be the rightful heir to the throne as Twilight's granddaughter.

[@Cadencestar-uw7de]

That also makes sense because twilight is a descendant of alicorn wich means she is related celestia and Luna

[@avaaftononline8586]

I'm going to write this. I can't get it out of my head now. Thank you for the idea. Thank you so much. I'll give you credit for the idea as well

[@oeeveemkittygfreak]

I like to believe that Argyle was born to unicorn parents, but no horn. So his parents sent him off to maritime bay. But his mom left him some sort of unicorn pendant or something. So when he got older, he wanted to look for his parents, find out where he was from. Which would explain his obsession with artifacts as he knew he was more than just an earth pony.

[@ToeIn2194]

I think this theory is possible, especially since we never saw the mother, and we know pony races cross bread and sometimes don't express certain genetics they have hidden in them like genetics with recessive traits in our world, and I also think it's possible Sunny's father could be related to a member of the Mane 6. Maybe Twilight.

[@jish55]

I like this theory a lot and does flesh out the characters more.

[@sethcarlow8363]

good video Doc. it made my Monday a whole lot better.

[@DRWolf001]

Glad to be of service :)

[@sethcarlow8363]

@@DRWolf001 yeah,and it's time to end this comment,cue music and tha tha tha tha tha that's all Folks,Muggles,KZbin,Earthlings,Martians,Aliens,Pony's and Brony's,tha tha that's it, Go go home Folks, can i go home now ? (Bay-woop!) iris out fade out to black.

[@Xizyx]

Revealing Sunny and Izzy as siblings would sure put the brakes on all the shippings between the two of them. X-D

[@MrConredsX]

I think the show already push Sunny/Hitch anyway

[@elliotmoonridge6481]

I think Argyle and Sunny are descendants of Twilight. It makes sense in a way, the idea that at one point there was unicorn lineage in their family, mixing in the ideas of unicorns, except Argyle is the love child of a past unicorn. If you look at his color scheme, you begin to see how his color scheme is similar to Twilight's. He has purple hair with pink stripes, purple skin, and purple eyes all like Twilight. This theory also explains the fact of how Argyle knows so much about Twilight and her friends past. It could've been passed down by his family, and it would make sense that Twilight if had a family she would want the lessons of friendship to be passed down so they wouldn't be forgotten. I mean he knows so much about magic and the past, maybe he was taught some of that, and explored the rest. It would be fitting that the unicorn that became an alicorn would have a descendant who would bring back friendship and magic by becoming an alicorn. It's a bit of a long shot, but it's an interesting idea nonetheless.

[@alliesoapway1076]

I actually sort of theorized Phyllis and Argyle to have been a thing at some point in time, and as much as the idea sticks with me, I really like your theory!

[@witty676]

Same lol

[@JrBuckles1]

I had a friend who had a similar theory but the twist is that they think that Izzy and sunny are sisters

[@observantowl1726]

An intriguing theory, Doctor...I will contemplate it...

[@ennali8344]

I think sunny’s mother is Luster dawn because of her colors looks kinda like sunny

[@Heavilune]

That might be but not likely,because this takes place wayyyy after g4 ,like a thousand time skip luster would have been dead.

[@ennali8344]

Oh that is true but maybe

[@DimitryRotstein]

This is by far the best theory I've heard on this channel.

[@holzrivett7535]

I wonder if Twilight was Sunny’s mother since she is so much like Twilight and maybe because she was ruling Equestria and she couldn’t look after Sunny and asked Argyle who may have been a close friend of hers or maybe even lover and when she gave birth to the foal she asked him to raise the foal. Just a thought.

[@bearmation93]

So depending on the timespread between G4 and G5, my theory is that Luster Dawn could be Sunny's mom. Have you noticed that Sunny's colors are Luster Dawn's colors, but inversed? At some point Luster Dawn must have become Princess, met Argyle, had Sunny, and then went into hiding after the three races separated. This may also explain why Sunny was able to manifest Alicorn powers through the three jewels. Her wings and horn are very lustrous after all.

[@little.prince]

While I understand the interest, I would actually much prefer if instead of being related, Hasbro managed to have them bond with each other as girlfriends. They already seemed to have a lot of that chemistry feel, and I hope they run with it.

[@finalfroggitapproaches6418]

I would too, but Hasbro will never do it. All (two) of the LGBTQ moments in G4 happened in the final season, you know, when the show couldn’t be cancelled prematurely. The best we’re going to get is “Sunny and Izzy: The cutest couple OF BESTIES~!!” energy.

[@little.prince]

@@finalfroggitapproaches6418 Well, times have changed since the previous generation. Even Disney is doing it! They might actually step up, who knows?

[@Maieveryday2]

Fan fiction time GO, I am thinking of writing this now.

[@michanowicki777]

When i first watched the move,they are such that Argyl's ancestores paseed on their inheritance through theri family as they are the descendats of Twilight. The wooden Argl medalion on the neck with the Twilight mark and the colors suggest that they are desccandes of Twilight

[@SilverFerrari85]

Consider Izzy found Sunny's lantern, i would say that is the reason for Izzy acting more like she does because of that letter that was with it. But that is just me thinking out loud.

[@Nazo-kage]

Something to consider that I hope the show will get into: What happened to the holidays? Do they still talk about the origin of nightmare night? And what is hearths warming? Considering that it’s a holiday that’s origin is based off of the three tribes coming together, how would the holiday’s “Revised“ Origin go?

[@somerandomdude7785]

The Hearth's Warming may be re-enacted with archived videos of the Founding of Equestria. As for the Nightmare Night, i think it's becoming obsolete with Luna being forgotten.

[@inahattingh2426]

Sunny & Izzy, sisters? YESSSSSS! This is The Best Idea u ever had Dr. Wolf!!!!!

[@bronyh4569]

I would LOVE to see Izzy and Sunny actually be sisters. Honestly that would make the story so much better and with theme being compared to Celestia and Luna is genius. Please, Please Hasbro make Izzy and Sunny be sisters.

[@bluePsycho4750]

Now them(Sunny and Izzy) taking the roles of Celestia and Luna as alicorns now that sounds awesome. I wonder if what Izzy would like as alicorn now I also wonder what sunnys mom looks like she probably has a color scheme closer to Sunny

[@BrandonRaske]

i'd have to say its a 50% possibility

[@justinriley]

If this turns out to be true, it would make for an interesting Apartheid style story.

[@Chuckles_the_Jester]

apartheid?

[@justinriley]

@@Chuckles_the_Jester Reverse racism laws in South Africa that banned interactions between black and white people.

[@Chuckles_the_Jester]

@@justinriley ah

[@davidradcliffe955]

Sunny is gonna be somehow related to twilight watch lol

[@littlesofie5743]

I HAVE TO SAY THIS! what if. Sunnys father is the son of twilight and flash?! First of all, twilight is originally a Unicorn and flash is an earth pony. Including that sunny's father has the same intrest in books as twilight.

[@celineaviliani5875]

Wow this is very interesting, I always thought of Izzy just being Sunny's first mate

[@trekadouble757]

Or maybe Izzy is so positive because, in contrary to the other unicorns, she does have a goal in life? She is the one who received Sunny's drawing, about the unicorn, pegasi and earth ponies being friends. Maybe that message is what kept her optimistic all this years

[@mhollis1989]

That would make Izzy and Sunny fraternal twins. They're at similar enough ages.

[@Elliot-the-queer]

I can see Sunny and Izzy being siblings, their mother, being a unicorn took Izzy back to live with her (same with Sunny and their father) to avoid drawing attention and a possible war between the unicorns and earth ponies. If this theory is right, I'd love to see what happens later on. Now this is a bit of a stretch but they could have been distantly related to Twilight. Though Twilight was born a unicorn, her partner may have been Flash Century or someone entirly different. Twilight and Sunny both share the same curiosity and longing for more when it comes to history of magic (and they both became princesses through friendship)

[@alyssakays367]

I would absolutely love that story line!

[@opal2190]

I love the Sunny and Izzy parent trap idea!💖

[@PaperMortal]

FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE TALKED ABOUT IT. I've been wondering about Sunny's mom since the movie came out!

[@ЛюдмилПанайотов]

I can t wait for 2022 to answer all of our questions 😍❤️🤩

[@ronaldpagar6513]

And to know what happened to every creatures in equestria that are united?

[@ЛюдмилПанайотов]

Exactly

[@ronaldpagar6513]

@@ЛюдмилПанайотов and also shouldn't be luster dawn be the new ruler of equestria in G5?

[@ЛюдмилПанайотов]

@@ronaldpagar6513 I don’t know

[@jessagapi1997]

This almost seems too crazy to be true, but I really like this theory! That would explain why there are no pictures of Sunny’s mother or even a mention of her. Even if it’s not true, I hope they bring up her mom at some point and don’t just blow off everyone’s families like they (almost) did in G4.

[@angelofdarkness4791]

Possibilities are endless

[@gilbertobenites4215]

You would like to think about that... I would like to add more and do this theory better. I will call this character Moonhealer. What if the reason why we don't see either Argyle or (Sunny's Mother) is because they are involved in a complication in Moonhealer's terrain (let's say what used to be the Crystal Empire). As fate would have it, Moonhealer is the last of his kind, the last living naturally born alicorn. He is also sadly to say, the representative of the last remaining inhabitants of the nonpony races. This kind of information is something both would want to have to learn about the old world. But considering that they may not make it back, they decide to take the risk. That's why we never see their faces in the main story’s events.

[@maleprincess5559]

If Argyle met a unicorn, he would have written in his book that they didn't have magic

[@SakuraandSesshomaru]

Maybe her mother was an alicorn.

[@JustCallMeHorse]

Maybe Izzy is Lunas daughter? as the Princesses gave up their ruling of Equestria to Twilight maybe Princess Luna and Celestia lost their wings and became normal Unicorns....

[@Nope_20]

I feel like Izzy kept her cheer because of the note she found that said she had friends in maretime bay. Knowing that w as s an earth pony city she would be naturally excited to hear that some earth ponies might be friends. But I do love the idea and it makes sense!

[@MewDenise]

Unless the cake twins was a joke. What happens if two unicorns birth an earth pony? Do they send it away?

[@electrofonickitty823]

I would love to see that kind of research where she finds records

[@shane5326]

Izzy and Sunny being sisters would explain why we haven't seen Izzy's parents or Sunny's mother yet.

[@broppy_for_ever001]

This got me thinking who is sunnys mother

[@fallentribute]

Ooh! Tysm! I write fanfics all the time! I'll get right on this! :P

[@theuktrainboy6670]

Please make this into a story it would be so cool to here a story like it.

[@cupcakeprime559]

"Anyone in the fan fiction community?" you don't know what monster you just awakened