Was The Canadair Sabre The Best Sabre?

Canada built over 1,800 Sabres under license from North American Aviation, becoming very expert in the type. Sufficiently so that later marks of Canadian Sabres were fitted with more powerful Orenda engines and other refinements. This video investigates the history of the Canadian Sabres and asks whether they were, in fact, the best of the breed.
Sources:
By far the best single volume on the Canadian Sabre is "The Canadair Sabre" by Milberry. Long out of print, it commands a high price on the used market but is well worth it
Far less detailed, but also interesting for its pictures is "Aircam Aviation Series No. 20: Canadair Sabre Mk.1-6; Commonwealth Sabre Mk.30-32 In RCAF, RAAF, SAAF, Luftwaffe & Foreign Service" by Joos and Ward. It also has the longest title of any book in my collection!
Otherwise sources are shared with my main Sabre video

[@LeCharles07]

I'm starting to suspect all Sabres are, in fact, the best Sabres.

[@fredhercmaricaubang1883]

Except the Super Saber, of course!

[@creid7537]

I know a few cutlasses that might disagree. 😬

[@thestarlightalchemist7333]

My Saber is best Saber

[@fredhercmaricaubang1883]

@@thestarlightalchemist7333 Doesn't beat MY light saber, though!

[@JGCR59]

What if the real best Sabres are the friends they made along the way?

[@rpick7546]

'I'm going to include the Hog because I like it and I can.' Tough to argue with that.

[@petesheppard1709]

Money quote 😎

[@glennredwine289]

Is that the F-100?

[@gavinhammond1778]

@@glennredwine289 sabre hog, he has a video on it. Basically an up engined nuclear strike fighter.

[@petesheppard1709]

@@glennredwine289 F-86H; 'Sabre Hog'

[@bearshrimp]

The humor is so dry and, well, British. I love it 😂

[@roo72]

I used to go out on Friday nights. Now I just sit at home waiting for a new video from this channel to drop.

[@1joshjosh1]

Me 2😂

[@cyclingnerddelux698]

Get out

[@creid7537]

I hope it’s your own home.

[@dziban303]

hear hear

[@gavinhammond1778]

I'm Australian so obvi the CAC variant. But jingoism aside, the RCAF fleet dwarfed ours and during the early 50s those Canadian aviators were genuinely the spear tip, and for a long while, numbers and experience count for a fair bit. So I'll be reasonable and call it even 😊. Thanks for the content.

[@simonnorburn3518]

I'd actually go with theCAC; that might be from playing SPI's air war in the 1970's; I doubt any sabre could have a better than 50% chance of surviving a single Aden shell hit. Plus if you are going to consider ground attack then the 30mm wins outright, You just failed to build 1000 of them.

[@theinterestbox8608]

very fitting for 100th anniversary of RCAF! great video as always

[@alanholck7995]

When I was stationed at Kadena in 1990s there were 2 Canadair Sabres that were used to tow the darts for air-to-air gunnery practice. Sometimes they would lead a 4-ship of F-15s on way back.

[@rastarn]

Eric "Winkle" Brown is repeatedly on record saying that the Sabre was his favourite aircraft, and also that one of his few regrets was never having the opportunity to fly the CAC Mk 32 Avon Sabre.

[@RielMyricyne]

"The Vampire was clearly obstolete by 1949" So crazy to think that aircraft were obsoletes after 4 years.

[@nektulosnewbie]

It's worse when you factor in that it was that way throughout the 30s until about the 60s. We're just used to the idea that WWII presumably accelerated design development, but if anything, it slowed it down to allow for mass production of many late 30s aircraft.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

There was still wartime development speed. 1935-1950 or so is a ludicrously transformative period in aviation. Innovation in military aircraft took a nose dive after about 1970. They got incrementally better, to be sure, but many of the best airframes now in service are based in fairly old designs (obviously the avionics have massively improved).

[@nektulosnewbie]

@@Justanotherconsumer the avionics are the problem. By the 80s aircraft development was becoming too much for a typical company to handle. The R&D costs could only really be shouldered by the larger ones. It was a major drive for the collapse and consolidation of so many American defence companies in the 90s that the end of the Cold War only hastened.

[@rv6ejguy]

My father flew these in Europe. 430 squadron 2 Wing. His favorite aircraft. The Canadians cleaned up on all the NATO gunnery contests and the MK 6 was feared by most NATO pilots in dog fights. I was a great time to be a Canadian fighter pilot.

[@topquark6242]

My father flew Swords back in the fifties and did the first half of his European tour in Mk.5's before being reequipped with Mk.6's. He said they were not the same aircraft and the only advantage the Mk.5 had was altitude. He claimed he could cut inside any other fighter he went up against because the Mk.6's auto-slats gave such incredibly fast onset G. If he was still alive he would have a fistfight with anyone who said the Mk.6 was not the greatest fighter of all time!

[@briancox2721]

14:30 "... Because I can." Hanger flying at it's finest.

[@lllordllloyd]

The Australian Avon Sabre wired for 'winderswas best, but such a massive re-engineering as to be not the most cost effective of them. The F-86 was Winkle Briwn's favourite and an engineering marvel in its time.

[@Easy-Eight]

I'm a "Von Mises" economist follower and the RAAF would have been much better off buying F-86F aircraft and saving the Canadian taxpayers the difference in cost.

[@robertmansfield7656]

Aussie has learned the hard way about the perils of putting your aviation production in the hands of others during WW2. We knew that if the 1950s cold war turned hot it was better to have some production capacity on home soil. Even Menzies understood that. The Avon sabre by the numbers is better than a Mig17 and 19. They went throughout the Malayan emergency and gave us F4 pilots a great analogy for mig17 used in Vietnam when flying from RAAF Ubon in Thailand. The F86f was good but in contested Air space the Avon sabre had better Kinematics and fire power. The RAAF boys had the arses kicked by mig 15s over Korea, inferior meteors had been a poor choice for 75 squadron. Menzies should have withdrawn the RAAF when the migs were introduced.

[@lllordllloyd]

@@Easy-Eight They felt the same. Plans to re-engine the Mirage III were scrapped due to fears it would get too tricky. An Avon Mirage would have been cool, though.

[@Sssaaatttuuurrrnnn]

I don't think there will ever be another aircraft as beautiful as the Sabre.

[@theirthereandtheyre2947]

Just an elegant, beautiful plane. Artwork really.

[@13stalag13]

I loved the F-101 Voodoo

[@rogerkay8603]

F-14?

[@Sssaaatttuuurrrnnn]

@@rogerkay8603 Nowhere near as sleek, but the F-14's rugged, mechanical look has a charm of its own.

[@the_real_bin_chicken]

Aussie Sabre with its Avon engine, cannons and sidewinders was superior in my view, but the Canadian Sabre was a close second.

[@samgeorge4798]

The Avon had the same thrust as the orenda and mk.6 had aim-9b. The canons are better but I do remember the Aussies having trouble with them at least at first.

[@creid7537]

The Aussie Sabres were superior in counterclockwise turning fights.

[@shawnmiller4781]

@@creid7537Coriolis Effect?

[@creid7537]

@@shawnmiller4781 Yup. Drains, planes, what’s the difference really?

[@Archie2c]

The final pic made me tear up😢 I would have love to have seen Arrows and TSR2s in Squadron Service

[@MarijnRoorda]

I'm such a nerd, that i just watched a 22 minute video on which version of the Sabre could have been best, a plane that was decommissioned over 60 years ago. And best of all, there was even some humor in it too...

[@Squeesher]

Canadian here, you're fine lol, I completely agree that the heavier firepower of the CAC Sabre just edges out the CL-13 Mk. 6 as the best Sabre. Thank you for this video and all of your other great videos on aircraft!

[@wacojones8062]

Good presentation. I meet some of the Canadian ground crews at Ft. Belvoir in the early seventies when I was a Generator instructor. They were down Thule in Greenland for a 4-week course on turbine powered generators. They served with Saber 6 units in Germany before being posted to Thule. One of their commanders flew through a Hanger when an alert caused two squadrons to try to take off from opposite ends of the runway.

[@johnstirling6597]

I recall a passage in Chuck Yeager's autobio from when he was stationed in Germany, challenging all comers to Sabre races, he always won , because he cranked in and strapped the tail pipe of his Sabre to boost the exhaust pressure, ( at the threat of burning out the engine!).

[@Gerhardium]

And his autobiography also notes he generally lost the gunnery competitions to the RCAF.

[@johnstirling6597]

@@Gerhardium He also said he came across a Sargent banging nails into the 50 cal gun ports on a Sabre to stop them vibrating too much to improve the aim!

[@RCAvhstape]

@@johnstirling6597 That makes the aircraft maintainer in me shudder. Different times.

[@edl617]

Yeager was a rare individual as an old and bold test pilot

[@allancarey2604]

*Side eye in Australian* grins

[@mikepette4422]

maybe

[@stevetournay6103]

Canadian winking back...the CAC Sabre was a beast...Oz should've marketed it to the Swiss, who loved the Canadair Sabre except it didn't have cannon...

[@allancarey2604]

@@stevetournay6103 ……could have used guess, while CAC had a long (ish) history with North American I’d imagine they didn’t have the rights to export (particularly the engine)….besides the Australian government wasn’t “that” interested in the industry :)

[@oliverchutkiewicz4807]

I noticed you sped up your narration in comparison to older vids - much better now! Keep up the great work!

[@petesheppard1709]

The opening was one of the most beautiful air-to-air sequences I've ever seen!

[@montys420-]

Im happy to share top spot with our Canadian brothers on who had the best F86

[@stikfigz]

And I'm equally as happy to share that with our brothers down under 🇨🇦 🤝 🇦🇺

[@mickvonbornemann3824]

Well there’s quite a bit of competition, here’s a list of the final mass produced marks of all the major types:- NA F86D/K/L NA F86F NA FJ3M Fury NA FJ4B Fury CAC CA-27 Mk32 (Avon) Sabre Canadair Mk6 (Orenda) Sabre Being Australian I of course am heavily biased in favour of the Commonwealth Aircraft Avon Sabre.

[@Easy-Eight]

The FJ4B is a different design and looks as different to the Sabre family as a MiG 17 or an F-84F. The FJ4B is swept wing and that's about it. The FJ2 is just a navalized F-86E, arrestor gear and the rest adding too much weight. The FJ3 with that beautiful J65 engine had a power/weight ratio about equal to the Canadair Mk6. So, that's the competition of the MK6, CA-27, and FJ3... It all comes down to the skill of the pilot or aviator.

[@mickvonbornemann3824]

@@Easy-Eight They all had swept wings.

[@Easy-Eight]

@@mickvonbornemann3824 Ever really look at an FJ4B? It does not look like a Sabre. The Aussie Sabre, FJ2, FJ3, Canadair, and F-86 day fighters look like sisters. The F-84F, MiG-15, MiG-17, and French Mystere are swept wing and that's about it for a true resemblance to the Sabre.

[@mickvonbornemann3824]

@@Easy-Eight yeh the wing has greater longitudinal depth as the sweep of the leading & trailing edges vary more to make up for it being thiner & it has a smaller intake, but it is of the same family. There’s quite a bit of difference between many of the variants. But what’s it matter, who the fuk cares? I don’t. Surely you can find something more important to argue about, like something that really matters.

[@Easy-Eight]

@@mickvonbornemann3824 *Surely you can find something more important to argue about, like something that really matters.* Well we could discuss "Biden's" stelar performance in Thursday's debate.

[@bellakaldera3305]

When I served with the 8th TAC in Kunsan ROK back in '78, ROKAF was flying Canadair F86s still (we were flying F4Ds and Es). The ROKAF Sabre pilots flew them like madmen with AIM9 missiles on wing pylons nearly as long as the airframe! The Sabres looked like they were carrying telephone poles!

[@dalecomer5951]

The F4D is the Skyray.

[@uberschnilthegreat22]

​@@dalecomer5951they probably meant F-4D, one of the improved variants based off the USAF F-4C.

[@bellakaldera3305]

@@dalecomer5951 No the F4 is the Phantom...The Lead Sled, The Bent Winged Bugsucker.

[@stickiedmin6508]

​@@bellakaldera3305 Not really - USAF designations always have the hyphen in the middle: "F-4," rather than "F4." Old fashioned USN designations worked differently. The F4D was indeed the Skyray.

[@WMMASceneNow]

That’s cool. Were the Sabres there on TDY, or were they stationed there? I was stationed in Kunsan from mid ‘08-January ‘10

[@RCAvhstape]

"The F-100 had to remain uncrashed long enough to be useful..." this is the aerial equivalent of Drachism of the Day. We need a name for it on this channel...

[@Andy_Novosad]

Very, very good and interesting. Thank you for all your work. You're a real treasure for us avgeeks.

[@jonesy279]

I’m incredibly biased but CAC-27 Avon Sabre is number one!

[@olivergs9840]

As an Australian, I'm duty and honour bound to advocate for the CA-27 Mk.32 Sabre. I'd honestly love to see a comparison between it and the canadian one though

[@dalecomer5951]

How about it and a MiG-17?

[@sfelton8943]

Routinely my favorite content on KZbin

[@Ndqar]

Thanks for mentioning the area rule experiments. It was news to me.

[@Redhand1949]

This channel is clearly a labor of love. I am astounded at the depth of your research into and presentation of these obscure but fascinating subjects.

[@bearshrimp]

Wow, just wow. Another remarkably good documentary on early Cold War jets. I am becoming accustomed to having my expectations exceed by your videos. For 45 years my favorite combat aircraft were the F-4 (home) and Mirage III (away). Your videos have convinced me of Sabre. So, another excellent video worth the wait ❤

[@pyronuke4768]

Great job! Here's hoping for a video on the RCAF Voodoo soon! I had a great uncle that worked with them.

[@pabloottawa]

It used the CANADIAN MADE Orenda engine that was able to consistently break the sound barrier in a dive. That engine was far more powerful than what the Americans had in their Sabres.

[@awwgordy]

for me personally i think quantity is a quality all of its own, and thus to me the CL Mk.6 remains the supreme sabre, no this has nothing to do with my canuck pride, nothing at all.. on another note; Thanks for a video looking at our Sabre! I've asked for quite a while and I'm very happy with the result.

[@gettotheGate]

First time I’ve ever caught a video 3 minutes after upload. Let’s see if it’s a good one.

[@burtbacarach5034]

And??

[@stickiedmin6508]

What's the problem? It's always nice to be early.

[@gettotheGate]

@@burtbacarach5034 And it's a really good episode. I thought one paint-job of Sabre was pretty much like every other. I didn't realize until now that Japan and Canada were not making carbon copies, but their own variation of the Sabre. Now I wonder if countries we sell to, Like F-15's to Israel or F-16's to literally everybody, are built in that country and customized like the Sabre was.

[@bwcdevices3028]

More brilliant content - love this channel

[@santiago5388]

I don't know if it is the best, but I do know it is the version of the Sabre my country used 😁 Thanks a lot for the video

[@nikbear]

Excellent analysis, such a quality video 👌😉

[@mitchanthony1548]

R CAF what the hell we say R C A F!

[@stevetournay6103]

That threw me slightly too...

[@dalecomer5951]

Robovoice?

[@robmarsh6668]

I have heard RAF guys call the USAF "oosaf", so maybe it's a thing

[@dalecomer5951]

@@robmarsh6668 Well, even I say U-SAF on rare occasions.

[@earlthepearl3922]

Very well done!

[@stephendecatur189]

Nice work. Thank you.

[@gswombat]

CAC Avon Sabre #1

[@Easy-Eight]

Strange you didn't mention the FJ-3 Fury as the ultimate Sabre. It had a 7,650 of thrust, 4 - 20mm guns, and 17,926 pounds combat weight on 302 square feet of wing.

[@airbattlegames9422]

I would have enjoyed the inclusion of the J65 (Sapphire) powered FJ-3 and FJ-4 in this comparison of the various Air Force Furies. The FJ-3 was roughly the same weight as the CAC and Commonwealth Sabers, and enjoyed slightly higher thrust. (The FJ-4 was a rather different aircraft that traded performance for range.)

[@cheekibreeki4638]

I find the FJ4 ugly, in a cool way.

[@stevefriswell5422]

Great video

[@wwclay86]

I got a book that says the Australian saber with the avon engine was the best saber. Would love to have flown one

[@johnstirling6597]

I think NAPFATG said as much in a prior vid!

[@marktuffield6519]

I have a copy of the book "Sabre - The Canadair Sabre in RAF Service" by Duncan Curtis. The operation to air-ferry the aircraft across the Atlantic was called "Bechers Brook", which if you know anything about jump horse racing in the UK will hopefully make you smile 🙂.

[@Ryuko-T72]

Saw one at the Canadian warplane heritage museum. Really cool aircraft

[@dhroman4564]

Excellent video.

[@Caphalea]

What was incredible about the RCAF Sabre and the others was it actually was slightly superior in level turning fights when compared to a F-16. There were a few mock fights where the Sabres were able to be rather annoying to the just coming Into service 16.

[@stevetournay6103]

Mm. 105 at the end. From the top of the mountain of Arrow mythology, if you look east across the Atlantic on a clear day, you can make out the top of the mountain of TSR2 mythology in the UK...😁

[@ThroneOfBhaal]

I like the Australian one. But I'm biased. xD

[@brianrmc1963]

An iconic aircraft, for sure.

[@brianrmc1963]

Those who enjoyed this may appreciate reading James Salter’s “The Hunters” and “Cassada.”

[@Rahatlakhoom]

Bravo to the designers and engineers at N. American Aviation. The Sabre will remain one of the most notable jet aircraft in history.

[@JGCR59]

German fighter ace Erich Hartmann loved the Sabre Mk. 6 the formation a 12:59 features his "black tulip" nose art from his Me 109 so I guess they're from JG 71, the fighter wing he commanded. His argument for air superiority fighters like the Sabre instead of the F-104G Starfighter lead to him basically being sidelined for early retirement.

[@billenright2788]

when i was a kid the Sabre, the 104 and the 105 were what i thought a jet looked like.

[@stevetournay6103]

Which 105? 😉

[@13stalag13]

F 101 Voodoo for me!

[@benbased7740]

Can't wait for the new Il-2: Korea game that was announced this week

[@assessor1276]

Good one and while I don’t entirely agree with your thoughts on the Mk6 vs. Mk32 debate, it is clear that Canadair had a winner. Cheers!

[@Maple_Cadian]

Australia and Canada turned the basic Sabre into hotrods with the Avon Engine and Orenda Iroquois (correction Orenda 10 and 14) engines.

[@stevetournay6103]

Orenda, but not Iroquois...the Iroquois was the (much larger) engine intended for the ill-fated Arrow interceptor. (Unlike the too-tailormade Arrow, the Iroquois was marketable, and should not have been cancelled when the Arrow was.)

[@Maple_Cadian]

​@@stevetournay6103 oops you're right I meant the Orenda 10 and 14

[@worldwanderer91]

Canadian Sabre: Was I the best Saber there was? Canada: No. But you were the one we needed most. And that is just as good as being the best there was.

[@mikepette4422]

not sure I buy everything you're saying except about the cannons vs the brownings. I think it comes down to where in the flight envelope we are seeing the combat

[@thomas316]

Why did they keep making the Sabre faster when its main deficit to the aircraft it would face was its ability to turn tightly?

[@gort8203]

You need to understand that in the age of guns speed was the most important attribute for a fighter. Speed and climb is what conferred the ability to control the engagement. If tight turns were the decisive attribute aircraft designs would have sacrificed speed for turn rate/radius, but the opposite was the case, at least until effective A-A missiles began to dominate combat.

[@Hustler9g]

I think when you look at world war II basically everyone at the end was trying to build a boom and zoom fighter because it's safer for the pilot so the kill ratio goes up. A turning fighter only get to turn if the bandit turns with them.

[@cheekibreeki4638]

And even if they do turn with you, and you get em, you are now slow and have to hope one of his buddies aren't about to get you.

[@stevetournay6103]

The late mark Canadair Sabres (5 and 6), with the Orenda, were terrific. However the Aussie CAC Sabre, with the RR Avon and cannon instead of 50 cal guns, was hotter still...

[@Turf-yj9ei]

I'd probably say the CAC Sabre was the best because of it's huge firepower advantage. The US and Canadian variants had the 6 pack of 50 cal. machine guns that proved inadequate in Korea. The Australian version though had twin 30 mm cannons. More than enough for fighters or bombers

[@CrouzeCom]

The last West-German Sabres were not kept in service until the early eighties "for joy riding", but on target towing duties.

[@stevetournay6103]

Gotta think there was the odd bit of joyriding too, though. They were, after all, Sabres...

[@CrouzeCom]

@@stevetournay6103 They're Germans, no way!

[@brandoncarroll2955]

The problem with comparing Sabres is that you should also include Fury's aka Naval Sabres.

[@LuqmanHM]

So have we completed the Sabre saga??? enjoying all episodes!!!

[@stickiedmin6508]

I don't think we've seen the FJ4 Fury yet, have we? There's also the Super Sabre still to come.

[@LuqmanHM]

@@stickiedmin6508 ahhh yess

[@cheekibreeki4638]

Not sure what makes it so super!

[@skynyrdfan91]

Now that I finish watching, the only question I have left is how does the ultimate naval Sabre the FJ4 fury, and its license built, sapphire J 65 engine compare . I don’t know what wing it used l, but I know the navy would’ve had placed a priority on low speed handling and it’s a ability to carry more fuel and different munitions so is it like a cross between an Avon and a saber hog?

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

@notapound >>> Great video...👍

[@girthbloodstool339]

Very good! - I'll even let the CAC photo-win pass.... but just one little quibble. I have never heard anyone, any veteran, any Canadian say "Are-Kaf." The phrase as far as know has always been "Are See Eh Eff"

[@cheekibreeki4638]

The real question for me, since all Sabers seem to be winners: what was the WORST Saber? Popular answer would be the "Super" Sabre I imagine.

[@exidy-yt]

Excellent article, been waiting for one on the Canadair Sabre! I think I still have to give it the edge over the Aussie version because Canada, of course. ;-) On a more serious note, the downfall of our once world-class aerospace industry is a tragic story. If only Diefenbaker had the political will to stand up to the Americans the Arrow would have gone into full production and changed the course of military aviation bringing many advances years earlier then they ended up coming, and would have prevented the brain-drain to NASA when Avro Canada was gutted. Not to mention we would have gone on to both continue to build world-class warplanes but also have contributed more then a bloody robotic arm to the international space programs!

[@jeffhillstead3302]

Interesting.. I was a Air cadet 🇨🇦 in the 70s.. Old Trudeau cut funding for the F-104.. I knew about the Arrow & 100s but not the Sabers.. 🤔

[@davidfuller581]

The fact that the Mk6 could carry sidewinders more or less makes the cannons the CAC has a moot point - even the early AIM-9Bs outranged the best guns by a lot.

[@daiichidoku]

nice, I have a signed copy of "The Canadair Sabre" by Milberry. but i looked it up, you can order this book new, inc shipping, from CANAV books (Larry Milbury), hardcover, $30 in Canada, $35 CDN in USA and $50 CDN for all international orders.

[@TheOsfania]

Maybe. Maybe not. But keep in mind that Leica used to make camera equipment in Canada.

[@robertmansfield7656]

I wonder how good the cac avon sabre could habe been with the RR avon Ra 14. 10000 lb of thrust a bit lighter than the RA.7 and slightly narrower.

[@RichardCummins-ni4em]

And the Australian Avon Sabre ?

[@gmatgmat]

The mk 6 also had a pair of sidewinders. How about the FJ-4 Fury?

[@BenjaminRowe-hc7uo]

The Australian Sabre was pretty good also,it had 20mm & 30mm cannons instead of.50cal hmg's.I think aust sabres also had a more powerful engine than the U.S.model.

[@Mac3622]

Toronto would have wanted the Vampire because the de Havilland plant was in Toronto

[@larryjenkinson5525]

🇦🇺 Correct conclusion 👍😉

[@petesheppard1709]

What a way to end the week! 🤗 I thought the Canadians had converted their Sabres to 20mm.

[@stevetournay6103]

Nope. 50s to the end. That was why Switzerland bought the Hunter instead. They loved the Sabre except for its lighter firepower...

[@petesheppard1709]

@@stevetournay6103 👍

[@chrischiampo7647]

Great Jets Indeed 😀😊❤️

[@warmstrong5612]

If the CAC Sabre can boom & zoom its target then it has the advantage. Those powerful 30mm cannon rounds need more deflection and to be closer to the target since there are only two of them. In a turning fight the Mark 6 takes it with better turn and better chance to hit. All else being equal they're pretty even. But since numbers count for something too I'll take 6000 heavy machine guns on 1000 Sabres over 200 cannons on 100 Sabres any day. We'll let the Aussies fight in the shade lol.

[@glennredwine289]

But what kind of firepower & gun output rate does the Mig-15 have?

[@xgford94]

🇦🇺no argument here 😂

[@jimsvideos7201]

That's the first time I've ever heard "arr-kaf." 😕

[@IsaacKuo]

So, the ultimate Sabre is three Sabres hiding inside an Avro Arrow?

[@HennyvilleX]

I mean after designing the P-51, North American came up with the Sabre, yet another ridiculously good looking bird. Look at the lines of this thing, timeless elegance. The F-35 of the 1950's NATO countries.

[@creid7537]

I don’t know where they were built, but I’ve heard ‘light’ sabres were the best.

[@alepaz1099]

👍👍

[@rodcreswick5554]

Compare it to the Australian CAC Sabre! Which is better?

[@kidmohair8151]

oh. you just had to taunt us with the Arrow at the end there, didn't you. you must be a french k-night! the Arrow suffered from a Canadian government that was beholden to its corporate handlers. in Seattle, Houston, Los Angeles, New York and Washington.

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

Put the Orenda engine in the CAC Sabre and you'll have the best Sabre.

[@davidchovanak3343]

I read Canadians put their engine in it

[@TheAmazingCowpig]

Oof, Avro Arrow next, I guess?

[@stevetournay6103]

Does he do prototypes? The Arrow of course didn't enter service.

[@TheAmazingCowpig]

@@stevetournay6103 He's done a good number of prototypes. The previous two videos were prototypes even.