Was the Devil Made With a Desire to Sin?

[@PatrickInCayman]

I love the Catholic Church and our Friars

[@ThomisticInstitute]

Cheers! May the Lord bless you.

[@SanctuaryofSteel]

Wonderfully clear and insightful explanation, Fr. Ambrose! It's fascinating how Aquinas' insight that sins like adultery stem from intellectual mistakes about the good applies so effectively to Lucifer’s fall. This application deepens our understanding of how even the highest beings can fall through a misalignment of intellect and will. It’s a powerful reminder that intelligence alone doesn’t safeguard against evil; it’s the proper orientation of the will towards the good that ultimately matters. Thank you for bringing Aquinas’ wisdom to life in such a relatable way.

[@yesfed2730]

Praise The Lord Jesus Christ. St.Thomas Aquinas is a great theology teacher.

[@sigurdholbarki8268]

Thank you Father Ambrose, may God Bless and keep you also!✝️🇬🇧

[@ThomisticInstitute]

You're welcome! May the Lord bless you.

[@abyvandanath6995]

Thank you for taking the time to answer this question, It's definitely quite the big question and you did a wonderful job of answering it! I'm sure the person who asked the question is thrilled as well and will continue to ask more questions in pursuit of the Truth. God Bless. ;)

[@trianamiamor]

Thank you for explaining Saint Thomas responding to this question because atheist argued about the existing of an all knowing, loving, omniscient, and omnipotent God with the existence of evil in creation.

[@simonslater9024]

The sole reason for evil in this beautiful world Jesus,who is God,has give us is because of atheism! When you reject Jesus Christ then Satan takes his place and brings HELL to this earth! Most people want to be their own god and therefore HELL is the consequence. Please watch the warning or illumination of conscience by Christine Watkins. Then Following Padre Pio - who shows the true beauty of Catholicism which is everyone’s true home!

[@jwm6314]

@simonslater9024 Evil exists in the world as a consequence of Original Sin. Mankind is fallen, and cast out of Eden.

[@simonslater9024]

@@jwm6314what I’ve said follows what you have said. What I’ve said is a consequence of what you have said. God bless. Ps please watch the warning or illumination of conscience by Christine Watkins. Then Following Padre Pio.

[@DavGre]

This is the type of answer that is clear, concise, and consistent with what I feel to be the right answer in my heart, on top of being logically sound. I'd love to see a non-Catholic try to approach this same question with the same amount of clarity and theological consistency.

[@anthonyw2931]

we are all God's children. And there's no limit to God's inspiration: CS Lewis, Aristotle...

[@DavGre]

@@anthonyw2931 Being a child of God doesn't make you always right, and the point I'm getting at isn't "which human being is right", my point is it's "which theological framework can deliver me the most accurate and logically sound answers when I'm facing a challenging perspective." People (like you and I) want to know if God created evil in the devil or not, and honestly this answer using Aquinas will lead more people to God than a simple, "well, God created the devil, but he only created the good parts, and evil came from somewhere but I have no idea how to explain it, it just exists, stop asking me about it, just believe what I say and shut up, by the way here's the tithing basket, please pay for my mortgage on my penthouse, thanks".

[@dakariusashby7968]

Excellent, more Thomistic Institute!

[@danielfernandezpeinado6294]

Thank you Father Ambrose!

[@ThomisticInstitute]

You're welcome! May the Lord bless you.

[@mikesewchok5978]

Thank you Father Ambrose...there's a lot to digest here, excellent!

[@ThomisticInstitute]

You're most welcome! May the Lord bless you.

[@ktnsteve]

Thank-you for this! God bless.

[@Yes_it_is_JPB]

Sancta Maria, ora pro nobis. Another great Aquinas 101 video!

[@josephmccormick-qv9rs]

Well done, Fr. Ambrose.✌️❤️☕

[@ThomisticInstitute]

Cheers! May the Lord bless you.

[@gerrymccarthy9568]

Thank you Father. Aquinas: what an intellect! Thank you again for breaking this down.

[@ThomisticInstitute]

You're most welcome! May the Lord bless you.

[@tropifiori]

Thanks Father

[@ThomisticInstitute]

You're welcome! May the Lord bless you.

[@LeoPeter]

So, the important thing, it appears, is to desire the right thing, at the right time, and in the right way. The Evil One desired the right thing, at the wrong time and in the wrong way.

[@olivierstevedonjiotsamo28]

Thanks you Father❤

[@ThomisticInstitute]

You're welcome! May the Lord bless you.

[@kevinjonardo8977]

#AskAFriar_ is there deep meaning about why the Angel show up to Mary face to face, but when the angel show up to St. Joseph in a dream? Is there a speculation any about that? Thank you 🙏

[@nicolasdiazgiraldo3950]

I really love O.P. thanks father Ambrose!

[@dianna121]

Thank you so much. Please do these type of videos- will help people who seek God through their intellect …

[@dashriprock5720]

That was very interesting. Thank you for sharing

[@ThomisticInstitute]

Thanks for watching! May the Lord bless you.

[@briantrafford4871]

Very insightful. Thank you.

[@johnthetenor]

Me sitting here thinking about milkshakes now 🫠🤣

[@anitaklara7428]

Wow! Just wow! Amazing ! Thank you!

[@ThomisticInstitute]

You're welcome! May the Lord bless you.

[@Thee.Loreaux]

Thank you for sharing ❤

[@davidblyth5495]

Excellent

[@ThomisticInstitute]

Thank you! May the Lord bless you.

[@aussierob7177]

Angels and humans are created with free choice, they can therefore go astray.

[@consuelomckenzie3771]

Excellent!

[@gaipuibuankamei2428]

Thank you for this video, helped a lot. We all live by the movement of our will and we know example by reason how our hand moves, I just want to have an answer on how does our will move the movement of our will. What is the heirarchy of virtues?

[@FullnessofTruth777]

Shalom and Blessings of Messiah יהושע Saviour of the World Amĕn 🙏❤️

[@KB-yf4mb]

Maybe you can find a way so the bell sounds beginning and end don't blow out my ear drums... THANKS!! ! Check your audio leveld

[@antoniomoyal]

Brillante as usual

[@ThomisticInstitute]

Thank you! May the Lord bless you!

[@CanalPSG]

It is always good to use a milkshake to answer complex questions. (See also: "There will be blood").

[@fieldsofomagh]

So it's OK to be like God, by God's power.

[@STEINBVG]

I want to be like You… Good! I wish you to. Let me help? But I want to do it by myself! Uh oh…

[@markbirmingham6011]

Comment for traction

[@marcosdellavedova3773]

#AskAFriar Can we, as human beings, sin when we are already in heaven, just like lucifer did, and therefore lose our salvation offered by God?

[@IvanEck-h8u]

marcosdellavedova, If we believe that the devil once resided in God’s holy heaven then we have opened a lot of serious questions. Your question is one that I have been asking for years and really haven’t gotten a good answer. To answer this most basic question, “Was sin ever in heaven?”, can lead to probing theological questions.

[@dashriprock5720]

We will not seek to be like God by our own power. We came to faith understanding we are being saved by His grace and we are being humbled and perfected in our sanctification.

[@IvanEck-h8u]

dashriprock5720, I think the question was, Can humans sin in heaven? If so, Can we get kicked out of heaven also? I fail to see how your response addresses the questions.

[@IvanEck-h8u]

dashriprock5720, Thanks for the clarification. I come from the perspective that we cannot sin in God‘s heaven nor can rebellion be found there. I don’t think temptation itself is found there.

[@GP-dz1yi]

Saint Paul said "no human eye has seen what God has prepared to us" I think in heaven the God's grace won't allow us to sin, and we won't want to sin neither.

[@davegaetano7118]

God is love. When the devil decided that he wanted to be like God, he cannot have known that God is love, because the devil certainly never wanted to be like God in that way. The inescapable conclusion is that the devil never really knew God.

[@treceitalia7236]

I think it is the opposite. When it comes to Satan and his minions, ignorance is out of the table, they knew and still know what they are doing, if that were not the case then there would still be room for change, repentance bc it implies some ignorance, lack of truth or knowledge, and the bad guys know what they are doing, they just simply don't want to choose God. I know it sounds stupid and does not fit in a sound and logical mind but that's exactly what evil is, stupidity, nonsense. Willful and knowledgeable stupidity. Conscious rebellion. I don't know if you get my point, but still it is my opinion. Blessings. (Maybe I misunderstood your point, who knows).

[@davegaetano7118]

@@treceitalia7236 Satan is in ignorance as regards the Beatific Vision, which includes a special knowledge of God. We have an obligation to obey God's commands even if we do not fully understand them. The obligation of obedience to God is not contingent upon our fully understanding everything that is going on. Ignorance of God's purpose behind His commands is not exculpatory. One can have one's will fixed on a certain act of disobedience even if one does not see the whole picture. And one can suffer eternal loss over a sin of disobedience even if done without seeing the whole picture.

[@treceitalia7236]

@@davegaetano7118 I get it now. So in the _"never really knew God"_ part, what you meant was something like "there are some aspects of God that Satan never experienced but those that he did were enough to put him in a place where rejection of God would be foolish, evil, wrong, unacceptable, condemnatory"?

[@davegaetano7118]

@@treceitalia7236 Of course. Like a child with its parents.

[@SevenDeMagnus]

Cool

[@junacebedo888]

God to Lucifer: "Serve man and you will be like me." Lucifer: No, I will NOT serve.

[@mikekennedy8501]

Pride

[@ReasonedFaith]

👏😊

[@aegisreflector2725]

God's goodness is perfect. All that isn't God inherently lacks such a perfect goodness. Attempts to vainly exalt one's goodness as perfect essentially attempts to usurp the perfect goodness that is God. Such vain attempts sew the seeds of deviation from God, and therefore, sin. The man who exalts himself will be humbled. The man who humbles himself will be exalted. 🙏

[@peterroberts4509]

No one knows

[@cesaraizpurua-l8f]

....angels are not subjected to time.....satan must have seen what was going to happen if he sinned....wjy didnt he backtrack and ...seeing all the future posibilities... why did he choose to be away from.god?

[@jamesramirez5512]

#AskAFriar If growth and development is "good", why can't God Himself can't grow? If God made us with the capacity for evil because it would allow for greater good, then this hints at the idea that a being that went from imperfection to perfection is better than a being that was always perfect, because the previously imperfect being has a good of growth and development that the always perfect being doesn't. However this pokes a hole in the idea of an always, maximally good God who has always been perfect but doesn't have the good of growth.

[@marvinmartinez3818]

I think growth is good not on its own but because it points to perfection. For example medicine is only good as it points to health and not by itself. Medicine is no good for a healthy person, similarly growth is not good for the perfect God

[@kevinjonardo8977]

it was like a sprout asking a boulder why it didn't grow like itself

[@valethemajor]

I think you answer your own question. Changing from imperfect to perfect is the good only because the perfect is good to which we are oriented. God is Goodness and does not need to "grow" (change) to reach perfection.

[@jamesramirez5512]

@@valethemajor interesting. Thank you for the response.

[@valethemajor]

@@jamesramirez5512 Anytime man - if you're on the gamer social media and ever want to chat about our Faith - valevioletmote there. I'm no theologian but I love the discussions

[@markwrede8878]

Lectures upon invisible beings can be nothing but swindles. Why would this need explanation?

[@4pharaoh]

God alone defines Good and Evil. What God wants is Good, what God does not want is Evil. Your sins are you doing evil, things which god does not want you to do. God cannot Sin, but He can do Evil, by doing things he does not want to do, chastisements for example. You cannot sin if you always do God’s Will, as did Mary. (Not possible for any man) You must sin when doing your will, if it is not perfectly aligned with the Divine Will.(inevitable for fallen man) We must know and do God’s Will If we are to return to the state of pre-fallen Adam. Lucifer knowing full well the Divine Will chose instead to do his own Will, cast down to earth he became Satan, the Devil. Heaven is eternal, the acts there are eternal, they must be Divine Acts, they must be done IN His Will.

[@dianamateies]

I think the question is still not answeard. Because we know in the beginning God created everything out of nothing, means he created everything out of Himself, so this means all beings that were made by Him were also ,,infused '' with His grace and made perfect! So were angels and so were first humans. But we know that if God is the source of all goodness and happiness, once you identify yourself in His presence and his grace within you, you bassicaly CAN NOT CHOOSE something else to give you happiness because you realise and feel that He alone is the source of all your happiness! And this means no one can choose something else , once they experince the presence and happiness of God within themselves!! Its bassically imposibile, because choosing something else than Him and His presence means choosing a ,, smaller '' good and a lower form of happiness and this is impossible for creatures who are made perfect in God, from the beginning and themselves willing only the highest form of good and happiness, as God wills ! This principle is aplicabile for angels too. None of theme could choose something else than God, because they were made by God and automatticaly infused with God's love, presence and Grace. So, the story with the devil being able to chose something else than God , is because God created devil with this purpose, for this world to make sense through the lens of duality (good and evil), and also ultimately for a higher good. By overcoming the duality of this world , we reach another level of consciousness and become aware of the fullness and perfection of God within and also in the outside world! Ultimately devil is made by God to be the way it is and so he is serving God in an indirectly way.

[@charlesenek]

At least, a Christian who accepts that God purposely created Satan to be evil and thereby purposely creating evil

[@johanaberg173]

Why did the devil search the good in the wrong way? How did that come from himself (and not ultimately from God)?

[@adelphosgames2996]

Because he also has the gift of freedom

[@johanaberg173]

@@adelphosgames2996 Thankyou for your answer! But I have an objection. The temptation is a necessary but not sufficient cause of the sin. Which means that I wouldn't have committed the sin if I hadn't had the temptation, but have a free will and therefore could have resisted the temptation. One conclusion is that my choise is utlimately inexplicable. Another conclusion - the important one here - is that God is ultimately responsible for the existance of temtations. Lucifer was lead into temtation by God. As we are.

[@IvanEck-h8u]

johanaberg, Why would my choice need be inexplicable? God required free moral choice when he placed one tree in the garden and said don’t eat thereof.

[@johanaberg173]

@@IvanEck-h8u If I hesitate between action a and action b, I have a motive for a and a motive for b. Why do I then do a instead of b? Because of motive a? But why do I act on motive a rather than on motive b? In the end, it's inexplicable.

[@IvanEck-h8u]

johanaberg173, Well it seems as though you do not believe that God made Man as free moral agents. I believe that God made Man morally responsible and required choice when he said, Don’t eat of that tree. By doing so he opened the door for temptation. The choice is explained through the object of our love. If WE are the object of our love then we will rebel again God. The converse is also true.

[@westvespers]

Doesn’t this beg the question? You sort of just state that the perversion of the desire came from satan himself, but doesn’t such perversion require Orientation, which would ultimately be imbued by God? He had no flesh / temporal existence to habituate into an orientation, so wouldn’t the problematic inclination have been present in his very creation

[@DavGre]

Depends on if you think free will only exists in the flesh but not in the spirit. We know that God warned Adam and Eve not to sin before they did, so there stands an argument to be made that free will is crux of whether someone is capable of sin or not, regardless of whether they have flesh or an "orientation" towards one outcome over another.

[@westvespers]

@@DavGre Yeah I’m saying that in angels the orientations exist on an immaterial level. What makes Michael different from Satan? They apparently had different tendencies when it came to weighing and squaring various goods. I don’t see why this immaterial form of personality Wouldn’t be part of How they’re created, and thus be caused by God in the most meaningful sense

[@ironymatt]

If by inclination you are describing the same desire for God Friar Ambrose explicated in the video, then no, the problem wasn't the inclination. Lucifer chose, with his own will of the intellect, to try and fulfill that *good* inclination (ie: not problematic) by his own efforts rather than in cooperation with or obeying God

[@DavGre]

@@westvespers if you’re implying that God “oriented” Lucifer towards evil, then no, that’s not the point being made at all. Free will is the ability to choose good or evil, and by giving creation that choice, God is giving us agency and freedom by giving us responsibility.

[@IvanEck-h8u]

westvespers, The broader question for me is, Can angles make moral choice? In this video it is assumed that angels have free will just as Man does. I ask, On what evidence is that assumption founded? Do we need to have evil originating from the holy realm of heaven? Could not it proceed from the earthly realm? Could it not simply be the result of requiring men to make moral choice?

[@delsepaulydmadathikandam9262]

#AskAFriar Did God deny the free will of Jesus's betrayer (Judas Iscariot) by prophesizing the betrayal long before the person is born ((Psalms 41:9 and Psalms 55:12-14, Zechariah 11:4-17) Since it is prophesized by God, the prophesy must be full filled, otherwise it shows the lack of God's knowledge. If the prophecy fulfills, then a human has to BETRAY Jesus (which is a sin) . The prophesy happened before the betrayer is born, so its not similar to the prophecy by Jesus(Jesus knew what Judas wants) Does this infer God planned one human to sin (betrayal)?

[@barrywilson4276]

Only human's were given free will. Angels have no free will only God's will. Satan was created by God to tempt (entrap) as Satan did for God in Job. Even Christians believing Satan rebelled all believe that he continues his God given mission and tempts us. Why rebel and continue to serve?

[@alicepavey974]

I don't see how this answers the question of why the devil fell. You're just saying that he wanted to be like God 'in the wrong way', because, well, he just did. That doesn't answer the question of why he wanted it. So we are still left with a conundrum, that God did not create him bad, he was created good just like the other angels, but they did not fall, and somehow he did.

[@carstenmanz302]

In Judaism/OT there was/is no "Lucifer" and no differentiated demonology as was later found in Christianity. Samael (Satan) has the role of accuser of sinners before God and can also "test" (seduce) them, so to speak, in order to challenge their steadfastness in faith. The story with the "fallen angels" probably originally comes from ancient oriental mythology, where there are "fallen gods", formerly celestial beings, who now rule in the underworld (hell). Almost everything that the Jewish Bible has handed down in the book of Genesis was originally Mesopotamian/Babylonian mythology, and the Adam + Eve story also comes from Ugarit (today northwest Syria) in a slightly different version. Therefore, the biblical material, at least as far as "Paradise", Satan, angels and demons are concerned, is only a retelling of much older legends and mythologies of the oldest human civilization in the Orient - from the time before and after the "Flood" in Sumer/Mesopotamia (later Babylonia). . The Bible has largely kept this approximately 2,000 years of prehistory before the flood from us, only communicating it indirectly in the form of a few adopted mythologies. Therefore, we have no authentic knowledge of supernatural beings, most likely from people who themselves report such experiences. A very concrete, clear proof THAT they exist is the crop circle phenomenon of the last few decades - these were/are neither produced by humans nor by (alleged) aliens/UFOs! It would go too far if I were to prove this in detail here (also using many live videos), but these sometimes gigantic hyper-precise crop circles are created within just a few minutes! The grain "as if by itself" lays into all these shapes, ornaments and symbols, every single stalk of grain, and does so without breaking or bending. Some kind of electromagnetic energy (similar to microwaves) affects the cornfields, the "causes" (spiritual beings) can be clearly seen in various videos - google it and then you can see it with your own eyes ;-)

[@rubemartur8239]

Seems you have answer for everything, even "Adam and Eve" origins. Despise "morning star" and "change of names" are elements that happens in the Scriptures, I would give you the benefit of Trust. Therefore, I would ask as any academic person would: can you quote books, Pages, paragraphy and Studies about your statments? If that's from your own authority, even better, you could do exposition of your book. Neverthless, using "Just Google It" argument has low level of credibility, as pro-UFO/anti-UFO, pro-religion/anti-religion can abuse of It freely, leaving people with weak trust factor.

[@consuelomckenzie3771]

The fact that it may come from older civilisations doesn't make it invalid. Those people came too from our first parents who kept in their psiquis what had happened to them during and after the fall. Myths tells also a story. Besides, there has been revelation about demons from saints and from exorcists. And, of course, each one of us who daily experience our battle to do good instead if evil.

[@carstenmanz302]

@@consuelomckenzie3771 If one research the beginnings of religion, the archaic belief in demons and spirits even seems to have been there first, before any deities. Even among various indigenous peoples today, almost everything revolves around demons and ghosts, rather than a central, supreme deity. However, religion in general also has an “evolutionary history”. Early Judaism did not arise in a cultural/spiritual vacuum, but was strongly influenced by the high civilizations of the time, just as, according to the Bible, the Abraham clan immigrated from Mesopotamia. Abraham himself originally believed in the "God of the forefathers" of his original homeland; it was only to Moses that the new "YHWH" god was revealed. Of course, a lot of mythical material from Abraham's home region was used in the Bible, especially since the OT was only created in the Babylonian exile. That might have further inspired the Bible authors?! ;-) PS: I myself have had such incredible and shocking experiences with demons that it completely threw me off course for a while. As "real" as the causes of crop circles and (alleged) UFO phenomena are real, I know 100% that supernatural beings exist and how they can (temporarily) manifest themselves.😉

[@billybobwombat2231]

You sound like the old nuns that taught me many years ago, pretending you know about that which isn't knowable.

[@billybobwombat2231]

@dashriprock5720 yes, but the pitch can vary depending on the level of fear that is used to scare you from leaving the faith.

[@mikekennedy8501]

I dont see that humanistic philosophy is applicable to Saten The Answer is in Bible The anointed Cherub Was perfect untill iniquity was found in him he fell before creation of man Jesus saw him fall from heaven his 1st estate and came to Earth His Sin is pride The 5, I Will Show his Character he is The Father of Sin and deception on Earth 🌎 he still is. Read The Bible for yourself, be a good Berean .

[@rubemartur8239]

You Just Said the same thing with synonimous. The point its to show that God dont created It with evil, It has done evil by It self, lacking good (being humble). Some atheists argue If evil exists, IS because God created It, excluding own creature responsability. Even quote wrongly the bible with psalm 45,7 to Tell God INDEED created evil, but the lack of proper theologians those misconcepts comes into light.

[@JamesMC04]

This is - in some forms of Christianity - the Achilles' heel of Christianity. If God had given the devil efficaciously sufficient grace not to sin, & had caused the devil to refrain, willingly & freely, from intending to sin, then the devil would not have fallen. It is very hard to see how God is not, ultimately, responsible for the entrance of sin into creation. It looks very much as though God hated the (unfallen) devil, & wanted him to sin. Which is an unspeakably hideous picture. But how is it not inescapable ? Logically, Calvinism seems to be indicated: God predestinated satan - before he was created - to eternal damnation. But how is a God Who does that, good in any sense intelligible to mere mortals ? Such a "God" would be a greater fiend than the devil (as John Wesley pointed out, in his booklet against Calvinist double predestination). And if such a fall can happen once - what is to prevent sin entering into the perfectly redeemed creation; & and so on, and so on, in endless cycles of sin & redemption and sin, for all eternity ? And if God can prevent the New Creation from falling: why did God not prevent the original creation from falling ? The entire schema of sin and salvation comes to pieces, if one asks questions about it. Which does not help in apologetic efforts, at all.

[@AlexeiMikhailBoleslav]

We become habituated towards the good when we choose the good. This is what we call virtue. When we reach a certain height of virtue, it in some sense by God’s grace makes it impossible to sin or choose otherwise. For example, an old man who has chosen his spouse and his family’s good for his entire life. He won’t just abandon them because it’s possible. It’s not who he is. In the same way, all the saints are fully alive in God and will not choose any evil despite them having free will. Their free will is confirmed at their death. In the same way that the free will of the dammed is. They would not choose salvation even if it were possible. God gave man choice to be like Him and to be virtuous and continually choose Him in the garden. And he did not

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

God is All Knowing, all of Space and Time and Beyond... So he created Lucifer exactly as he wanted him to be. God is sovereign, so that's how he wanted to make our Universe. No, don't push off the responsibility onto Lucifer. Lucifer did not design or create himself. Ultimately ALL the Cosmos is 100% God's responsibility. On the cross, Christ forgave our so called 'free will' (more accurately, limited mental capacity) - Luke 23:34. Lucifer's Delusional Thinking caused his Fall.

[@LostArchivist]

You are assuming because God has knowledge it is Him causing it. You also assume knowledge of free agents is a knowledge that can be logically known without the existence of said free agent. And there is no before or after moment for God. God is not before time, He is beyond time as He is its cause, it is subject to Him, He is not subject to it. All events of time are all before God at once in a single eternal moment. Also, if you say God is at fault, who is saying such and by what standard. If it is you and your standards, well frankly, why should anyone care? And if it is by objective standard, where is its basis if it were not in God Himself? And who is to declare God is guilty? Is there some other god above Him to declare God as not being in accord with justice or goodness? Additionally, the only way what you are saying would make sense is if our free will is not free but deterministic and if that were the case, there would be no violation to begin with to speak of evil and God would be doing no wrong even potentially, if we are but amoral puppets of His Divine Will. It is not a position that makes any sense.

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

@@LostArchivist It's not ''fault'', which would imply ''blame'' and ''judgement''... The Cosmos and all of it is fully God's responsibility, 100%. It's God that claims to be all knowing and all powerful. Not me... The 'free will' is an illusion, your own thoughts and engrams flowing through a neural network designed by God, not by yourself. Truly, you, & all creatures, are innocent - as Christ Gave Witness to Truth. in Luke.

[@LostArchivist]

@@SeaJay_Oceans Then you are complaining without any warrant and your original point is void in such a world. Besides this, If there is God then there is spirit and if there is spirit, and the soul as spirit is not an extraordinary claim as naturalism and materialism are both thrown out the window already. So if there is God, no we are not just neural networks and free will is very much plausible to be real.

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

@@LostArchivist It's not a complaint, just an observation that the Church should love and forgive Lucifer for this timeless misunderstanding of its Character. If God didn't want Lucifer here, then Lucifer would cease to exist, or God would never have created Lucifer in the first place. God exists, by definition, the source and Father of all creation. All living things demonstrate their spirit, and the soul itself is made manifest in the course of living beings lifetime... From Honey Bees, to People, to Fish - each living being created within its form with both abilities and limitations. So too is Lucifer, created with great abilities but also - a finite created being - with limitations. One of those limitations was it's Hallucinations or delusion of future events. Christ commands us to love our enemies, so Catholics must Love Lucifer and pity it for it's spiritual insanity, unable to know truth, unable to escape error.

[@LostArchivist]

@@SeaJay_Oceans Angels do not think as we do. They do not have bodies and so do not have senses. Their knowledge is sufficient to their end at creation. Besides the devil still hates us and wishes us misery and to oppose God and is a malevolent being. And he hates God Who is Good, Truth, Justice, Mercy and Love. So there is no reason to do as you say. It is foolhardy to do so, and inviting ruin on oneself and others, and is to oppose all that is good, true, just, merciful, and love.

[@jeromechristian9186]

Excellent ! 🙏

[@ThomisticInstitute]

Thanks for watching! May the Lord bless you.