Was The Supposed Carmine Hit A Set Up? - Soprano Theories

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During Tony's HUD business scam, Carmine Lupertazzi and John "Johnny Sac" Sacrimoni became jealous of his lucrative scheme. Because of this tensions rose between the two families resulting in negotiations and lots of lost money on both hands. It was clear that Sacrimoni was losing money quickly and something needed to change in order for him to become more financially stable. His solution, to whack Carmine and take over as boss. But this never panned out thanks to Soprano bailing last minute due to high risk high reward situation. Which brings up the question, why was John so eager when it came to taking out Carmine. Was he setting up Tony and going to frame everyone in New Jersey?
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[@kingoneil4644]

After seeing this my opinion of john sacramonie as man just plummeted

[@schrisdellopoulos9244]

What did you think of him before this video? Why?

[@litedawg]

@@schrisdellopoulos9244 Its a joke. When Johnny Sac lost his shit and started crying at his daughters wedding , Phil Leotardo said he just lost all respect for Johnny Sac. Go back and watch it , its quite funny.

[@turdeyeblind]

@@litedawg litedawg..... it’s a fuckin joke!! ☹️

[@JackieAprileJr]

Even Cinderella didn't cry

[@silviodante6792]

@@JackieAprileJr she also didn't almost drown in 3 inches of water at the penguin exhibit

[@thomasspengler9044]

One thing I found funny about this situation was when chris was just out of rehab, Tony put the carmine hit on his shoulders. And Chris tells Tony that that Johnny is sneaky and could be up to something. Tony writes him off, but Chris was pretty insightful at times, especially during the rare moments when he was sober

[@ARGZY]

Facts

[@fascinatinglist9654]

He sniffed him out

[@ARGZY]

@@fascinatinglist9654 his nose, it’s like a natural canopy

[@soprano94]

To be fair tony tells Chris that his point is to be considered

[@jezebulls]

@@ARGZY LMAO😂😂

[@karbin89]

I watched Sopranos as a kid with my mom and grandmother. They both loved and rooted for Johnny Sack just because he was a loving husband.

[@mysteryjunkie9808]

Yeah Johnny Sack and Bobby Baccalieri where the only two Mobsters that didn’t cheat on their wives or have a goomar. Also appeared to be the most loving to their children as well.

[@duke9555]

Must have been devilishly awkward when T was banging one of his sidepieces ...did mom critique T's coital style ?

[@aw2584]

I mean shit, most of us rooted for Bobby for similar moral reasons... in the world of complete pieces of shit monsters, even the smallest sings of someone caring for others or having any resemblance of humanity makes them redeemable in our eyes, so Bobby became fans favourite, and I guess some people rooted for that ballSack for same reasons.

[@duke9555]

@@aw2584 some rooted for the bad boys princess

[@Pulang_Diwa]

Your grandma and mom were cool.

[@paulstrathern4309]

The only redeeming quality I found with Johnny Sack was his unwavering devotion to his wife that the other mobsters made fun of for being overweight. He was one of the few mobsters that we never saw cheat on his spouse.

[@Alpha1200]

The thing that makes me think he was tricking Tony is that he was very, very ready to give in to all of Tony's demands. He didn't even try to bargain or negotiate. That suggests to me that he knew that deal was not going to be upheld.

[@levy9595]

Good point, but it's also possible that he was fully aware that all of Tony's demands were pittance compared to the windfall he'd gain as boss. He'd presumably get to take complete control of construction plus all of Carmine Sr's other money makers, which as the show explains, were very significant.

[@bobbybustos426]

I don’t even have to watch this to say yes. David chase even said in an interview he originally had it planned that Tony go through with the hit then Johnny turn on him for killing a boss and have the war start there. He went a different route which I liked better.

[@Aethelhald]

Of course that was the original plan. That's because David Chase's money wasn't tied to the GOD DAMNED ESPLANADE GOD DAMNIT!

[@KingSNAFU]

Chase has major income besides construction.

[@gerggerggy7757]

So…he compromised?

[@hinatashimeluv7464]

I wonder if Tony knew if he would have helped John so much when he was in the can

[@eze333]

You could tell as the series went on that Tony was starting to see right through John. Hence, why he pretty much stopped doing John favors. The thing with John and these favors were he had everything to gain while Tony had everything to lose in the longrun. The friendship with Tony was just a means to an end for John.

[@alexandrostheodorou8387]

Tony got rid of Rusty. Rusty could have become boss, when Johnny was sent to jail. Tony then took Ginny Sacks house for half off, in exchange for a payout for a New Orleans deal.

[@jebprendergast101]

Definitely. That’s why he agreed so readily to irrigating all claims in Tony’s HUD business!

[@jh6025]

Makes perfect sense!

[@benjaminisais7493]

I felt like Tony himself thought something was off about that situation. And not the fact that he was taking out a boss. He seemed like he felt like John wasn't being forthcoming with him.

[@hectorsanchez1377]

“... but take out a boss. We can’t. It was wrong then and it’s wrong now” phil leotardo

[@jh6025]

@@hectorsanchez1377 let me tell you a couple of three things...

[@jfontanez1838]

Of course how else were they gonna pay back sallie Mae

[@Sion67Productions]

One of my favourite characters, his most temper filled moment are my favourite "it wasn't long ago when you used to wait in the car, and as far as I'm concerned YOU SHOULD STILL BE THERE!" 😂😂

[@BovineIntervention]

He really had it out for chrissy

[@mattslater2603]

@@BovineIntervention and ralphie... for obvious reasons.

[@mysteryjunkie9808]

Johnny Sack he was a pragmatist but he had his moments where he couldn’t control his anger

[@mattslater2603]

@@mysteryjunkie9808 All of the top guys had dark attitudes

[@emilybuzekvalentino3116]

i don’t like how john operated but dammit he’s hilarious so much funny shit and bless his heart for loving Ginny so much it was really sweet

[@JackieAprileJr]

I think John faked his death and joined my Uncle Ritchie, my fawthas brotha, in a ballet troupe

[@ethans2032]

😂😂

[@ajsautos1000]

🤣🤣

[@dondajulah4168]

And you could design the ballet leotards for the troupe

[@rentfree291]

your father was run over by a trolley, right?

[@DJBJ24]

Whoa, kid

[@thehighburyzone311]

Personally I think John’s intentions were to get rid of Carmine and weather the storm to become boss, and would try to protect Tony. However as we’ve seen throughout the series, John was like a master chess player who would adapt to the situation and if needs be, and his hand was forced, he’d definately have a plan to convince the other families that Tony was solely responsible for Carmine’s death

[@akashlevyismyhero]

Both him and Tony are pragmatists by his own admission. Tony was close to whacking Johnny Sac earlier in that very season, no bonds between them are sacred.

[@theALMIGHTY987]

Everything fell apart when Johnny Sac became boss. Remember he was going 2 let Phil wild on tony & his family a/b his brother, whereas carmine squashed the thing a/b jenny sac. He bought a Maserati went 2 jail & it was open season on the sopranos'.

[@thehighburyzone311]

@@akashlevyismyhero that’s one of the great themes of the Sopranos. The mafia likes to try and kid itself into thinking it’s a true family when in reality, if somebody becomes a problem, or starts costing you money, they’ll kill you in a heartbeat

[@thehighburyzone311]

@@theALMIGHTY987 definately, i’m a big believer in the idea that the Ginny sack joke is the beginning of the end, one little comment sealed nearly all of the major character’s downfall

[@ronaldroberts7221]

@@thehighburyzone311 Not just that, if the Sopranos start making better profits, the others get jealous of it instead of finding their own crime "business" opportunities...

[@peaknonsense2041]

Psychiatry, cunilingus, and lack of varsity play brought them to this

[@JamesD3399]

Johnny Sac was one of my favorite characters in this show

[@wft2]

Johnny never wanted to eat grilled cheese of the radiator

[@blimy01maynard30]

We see both Johnny and Carmine ask Tony to take out the other. There is literally no loyalty in this show.

[@BovineIntervention]

Carmine asking him to wack his own underboss while gossiping about tony .. and hes supposed to be a respected mature guy

[@toddpick8007]

Its just business not personal, earning is whats important.

[@mikeh7917]

@@toddpick8007 AGAIN with the money!

[@Xpwnxage]

Yeah it's hilarious

[@markfrancis2264]

Ran into him in a bank a few months ago. Such a nice guy. Way taller in real life than he looks on tv.

[@markfrancis2264]

@fabRic_jAck Vincent

[@kingoneil4644]

Soprano theories and borko share the esplanade

[@BovineIntervention]

Soprano theories and borko have long standing ties that go way back and thats not changing for anybody

[@BostonGhost617]

Lmao

[@beanman1068]

"What is this the fucking U.N!"

[@richzito]

Again with the money?

[@PRVLNTNY]

@@richzito yes again with money name a price or get the fuck over it

[@keithjackson9976]

Quasimodo predicted all of this.

[@peterhrebik8951]

“Ooooh! The language on you. You blow your father with that mouth?”

[@litedawg]

To da victors go da spoils.

[@bandido2314]

He’s very allegorical.

[@ronaldroberts7221]

I'm in aoer of you

[@keithjackson9976]

@@bandido2314 The sacred and the propane.

[@terryogletree2128]

It looked like Little Carmine was gonna cry when he heard daddy would be proud to call Tony his son

[@erodiumminer]

He was a very good player. One of the best things Tony did was to never fully trust Johnny, despite mostly getting along well

[@emilybuzekvalentino3116]

agree 100% yes you nailed it 😛

[@edwinrodriguez1812]

The funniest parts of the series it Tony pretending he's going to go to war with the largest strongest family in New York. He got 30 men mabey 60 with associates. Lupertazzi got over 200 soldiers alone. They had to almost break the story to give Tony a chance those last few episodes.

[@aaronsanders6162]

Wasn’t that kind of war. Remember they only got phil because his own family gave him up for being more hassle than it worth and his hyper-sensitivity

[@LordTalax]

Didn't break the story. Phil was a pain in the ass and the Lupertazi fam had enough of it. Besides it seemed like Phil might take out Butchie later on with the phone comment he made and so Butchie might have been trying to save his own ass. In the end they didn't have to fight 200 soldiers, if they went all out on a murder war the cops and Feds would have stomped them. So all they had to do really was kill Phil.

[@troykozlowskitheclevelande6841]

Even Cinderella didn't cry

[@honkeykong4049]

*If The Many Saints tells us anything about Chase's writing, it's that Little Carmine probably had Tony popped. The one scene of him being a bit miffed about his dad liking Tony is all the setup needed.*

[@ryankeefe6222]

I don’t think his intention was to set up Tony that said I’m sure using Tony was a fall back plan that if there was any fall out from the four other families he could pass the blame on Tony

[@texasvet2729]

This definitely makes the most sense IMO

[@histguy101]

There don't seem to be any other families in the Sopranosverse.

[@toddpick8007]

Yup agreed, Tony would take it out of the neighbourhood getting the blacks to do it for them so there's some plausible deniability but if it hit the fan Johnny would side against Tony. I do believe Johnny would smooth things over though.

[@toddpick8007]

@@histguy101 They are mentioned a few times despite not really being shown. Mangano and therese.

[@bcb5696]

@@histguy101 not true at all they mention the other 4 families multiple times the Lupertazzis are just the only New York family the sopranos really deal with and the only ones shown they even mention philly and Chicago families

[@MegaAslan10]

I liked him. Didnt think he was a weasel at all. Manipulating paulie was a bum move but it was 50 - 50 with paulie willing to betray the family

[@jonferris1297]

Agreed. Some of his theories dont have a strong leg to stand on... Dude needs likes and subscribers so he stretches premises...

[@akashlevyismyhero]

Imo it wasn’t even a bum move Paulie’s just an idiot for thinking that Carmine gave a fck about him.

[@MegaAslan10]

@@akashlevyismyhero tru dat

[@akashlevyismyhero]

@Maester Gryphon lmao. Compare him to EVERYONE ELSE IN THE SHOW and he’s not that bad at all. You have ralphie beating hookers to death, richie straight up punching his fiancee and paralyzing dudes for fun. Tony screwing around on his wife constantly. Johnny was ruthless in his effort to become boss, but relative to everyone else he wasn’t that bad t all

[@akashlevyismyhero]

@Maester Gryphon definitely not lmao. Work on your assessment of morality

[@EVILLOVER01]

Johnny Sack, even in the can thought Tony was his real friend. I think JS would have made it right to Tony when he took over. Look to how Tony calmed John down after he beat the kid and pissed on him. The one from the bar that laughed. Even at his daughters wedding JS looked to Tony, alone, in confidence for help and support. He never ratted on Tony when the FBI popped him either.

[@Bigfrank88]

Bro….John didn’t look to Tony for “support” because they’re dear friends. Phil literally explains that he picks Tony because Johnny wants the death of a capo to point away from the family, Tony turns him down and then Johnny plays up the friendship angle. Johnny was looking for a scapegoat while killing a potential rival, that’s it.

[@JohnDoe-od7ye]

No more theories. They’re hurtful and destructive.

[@colleenharding8665]

*livia voice* I don’t like that kind of tawk

[@NickM95]

Oh I agree

[@MrDts1907]

John's formula is simple: Make Tony take out Carmine Sr., offer him 60% on constructions, become the boss, tell people that Tony whacked Carmine Sr. for construction stuff. Whack Tony. Get his 60% percent, Zellman and whatever's left.

[@rickymcd2011]

Oh sopranos theories, if there's any flies on you they're paying fuckin' rent.

[@oce1989]

He was the best character on the show. Brought to life by an incredible actor.

[@varrick1226]

Johnny will always be my favorite. Loved that guy and the real actor as well.

[@janiterinadrum1627]

I was addicted to this show after the very first episode... everybody at work was talking about it.. that's all we talked about in the break room everyone had ideas.. conspiracy theories it was awesome

[@emilybuzekvalentino3116]

and STILL talking about it ! as fucked up it is with everyone’s flawed behavior the show is a real comfort to some people. i am one of them ❤🤍💚

[@BeeHatGuy]

Dude, you 100% should go the patreon route! You & Pure Kino are all I need in Sopranos analysis

[@Void7.4.14]

I feel like a lotta people just really don't understand the complexity of these schemes, the real size and power of of the DiMeo family, and how difficult it is to swap one boss out for another, especially in Tony's situation where he's both taking kick-ups and has a ton of his own things running. The Lupertazzi family relied heavily on the Sopranos (and in many ways Tony in particular) rather they wanted to admit it or not. And despite the arrogant talk in back rooms, it was pretty obvious nobody actually wanted war with em either cause their family was much bigger than we ever get to see (we only see T's inner circle, but almost none of the other, bigger crews, up and comers, wannabes, young guns, associates who can't technically be made, etc) and with the outside help from Naples, other families in other parts of the country, and other syndicates entirely, they punch well above their weight as it is. It's easy to see in how the NY guys were always tryna keep em on their own side or neutral in conflicts. That's why I feel like someone, or even a group (like Patsy, pre-snitching Carlo, possibly even Pauly) had to have come to em (Butchie) at the end and sold em on their ability to pick up where Tony left off since there was no way the public execution of a boss could ever be let stand. It took several extremes and Phil gettin emotionally invested for anything to ever go beyond threats and indirect strikes. For that reason, no, I didn't think he was actually tryna set Tony up. I think it was more that there was already tension so his alibis was right there and if he never pressed a button it could be assumed that Jersey did it and acted alone. But at least up to the Billy hit, maybe the Joey Peeps hit, and hell, maybe all the way to the end, he'd have rather had Tony as boss to work with than anybody else. He just knew he needed someone from outside to pull the trigger and should the other families get really upset and do something about it Tony would be the target instead of him. I think it was more that it was a potential cost he was willing to pay more than what he wanted. But mostly I think he just wanted his own hands clean and the blowback headed somewhere else should it come more than anything. Indirectly I guess it could end up being a set-up either way, but I don't really think that's what was intended. It was just an acceptable possible outcome that was preferable to a replay of Costellano.

[@al1665]

Great analysis and writing. I bet you're the kind of Soprano fan that read Madame Bovary and The Letters of Abelard and Heloise too. Centanni.

[@serendipitousslim1529]

Ehhh. The Lupertazzis definitely could have crushed Tony’s family outright if they wanted to. It was said throughout the series they had over 200 made men, the DiMeos never had nearly as many, even if counting associates (which the Lupertazzis also probably had exponentially more than 200 if counting their associates too). Would Naples really be willing to send over their soldiers to partake in a WAR? We saw how reluctant they were to allow Tony to take Furio, and the only other time Tony can get their people over are to do isolated hits.

[@tedwojtasik8781]

The real life mob family the DiMeo Family was based on (DeCavalcante Family), was a somewhat "unofficial" sixth family and treated as such. NJ was a huge moneymaker for the mob as the majority of NY contractors actually reside in NJ and not NY. The DeCavalcante & Gambino Family were pretty much joined at the hip and the Lupertazzi family is representative of the Gambino Family in the series. The DeCavalcante family had around 100 total members (made men & associates). The Gambino's had around 150-200 made guys plus over 1,500 associates so you can see how a war between the two would turn out in reality.

[@mohamedhichemmouzali6505]

@@serendipitousslim1529 it was not about men the power was in money the di meo familly got a lot of money and kind of war you talking about is mass murder killing only half of them would set the FBI on them directly

[@ZDiddy7777]

After the Castellano hit took place, the Gotti/Gravano faction told the other families they didn't know who did it, but were investigating and would find out. The Lucchese's and Genovese were the only families to move against Gotti and all they did was plant 1 bomb that took out Frank DeCicco and maybe one could argue Gaspipe's hit on Eddie Lino was partially due to the Castellano hit, but for the most part it was 'The King is dead, long live the King'. So Johnny Sac wouldn't necessarily NEED a fall guy. Its family business, if there's no evidence leading to who did it and if the whole family is ok with following a new boss, then that's probably good enough for the commission.

[@SopranoTheories]

It’s interesting to note that whenever we see Tony and John in the dark, shadows cover half of Sacrimoni’s face. This is basically the directors and writers showing the audience that Sacrimoni is a two face and cannot be trusted. Personally, I 100% believe that John was setting Tony up, he gets so angry and bitter when Tony says that he’s out on whacking Carmine. What do you think? Let me know down below👇🏻

[@rg040276]

Agreed but Tony agreed and then went back on his word. Don’t really blame John for feeling that way if so.

[@gersonlinares2307]

It was a set up

[@vicvega5452]

in the car scene where johnny first hints at taking out carmine, tonys face is half covered in shadow as well

[@g_eddie]

Certainly plausible. Given that Tony was also very useful to John over the years, however, one could argue that John would rather have kept Tony alive while he proved useful. But that goes against another character arc of John, that he slowly shifted from being a "pragmatist" to being a greedy hardhead, and I think John as the latter would be more willing to throw Tony to the wolves to engross himself.

[@wolfstealth782]

I know you mentioned shadows (light/dark ) and I really do feel like i get short-term & temporary psychosis bc of my Sopranos addiction lol but omg @ 4:18 the glasswork art on the window of the door...i never knew all the lyrics to Journey's Don't stop believing till a couple months ago .." streetlight people " right? Idk just had to blurb about it 😆

[@vintage_sole4065]

Your such a legend I literally get so hype when you upload I love these sopranos talk

[@theboard3476]

You gotta remember the price of Tony doing this work for John was astronomical and John agreed without hesitation. Because he had no intention of paying him back.

[@josephmassaro]

With friends like Johnny, who needs enemies.

[@theALMIGHTY987]

Johnny Sac realized being used & not really being financially compensated wore thin. Carmine was the Soprano family life line in NY, the other families didn't respect that"pigmy"thing over there in NJ. That's why tony tried to tread lightly when he saw dissension in the lupertazzi family... johnny sac would've drop all the blame in Tony's lap.

[@BovineIntervention]

Wrong

[@theALMIGHTY987]

@@BovineIntervention about what?

[@braydo525]

@@theALMIGHTY987 after the war they definitely respected the jersey outfit, whether tony got killed or not he made a NY family sue for peace, but that was way after johnny passed

[@theALMIGHTY987]

@@braydo525 After what war? The top of the DiMeo crime family was desecrated. Bobby used 4 target practice & Sil clinging to life, Tony having 2 wave the white flag. I believe something was worked out to take tony out in the end.....🤔

[@toneriggz]

I don't think he was setting Tony up as much as he just wanted to be boss. Whoever was in his way of being boss had to go. He was conniving and a manipulator so while he was friends with Tony, he also wanted to have some leverage too.

[@theALMIGHTY987]

He was going 2 use tony & than blame him. Remember he was sent 2 b a mole 4 his family, & wasn't really making any real money except for the esplanade....Carmine,Sr. was the Soprano family life line.

[@toneriggz]

@@theALMIGHTY987 Tony was never going to have the hit traced back to him. Which is when they called off the hit, he ordered Chris to kill the Black dudes that were going to wack Carmine. The Ginny situation would make Johnny Sack the prime suspect in a hit against Carmine.

[@theALMIGHTY987]

@@toneriggz Johnny Sac had no loyalty 2 Tony or his family, so if he had to point the finger. Remember he was sent in as a mole 2 make sure the lupertazzi's got a piece of whatever the sopranos were involved in....how do u think the"underboss"felt a/b such grunt work?🤔

[@cedenoanthony45]

You have amazing videos, great theories and great cuts to go along with what your saying

[@keithharper1470]

I think at the end Tony was smarter than Johnny. Tony never fully trusted Johnny because in Tony's words John's a greedy fuck. At the end of season 5 Johnny and Tony are talking about putting an end to the Phil and Tony B beef and Johnny feeling Tony's apprehension tells Tony that he's not going to do anything to Tony while Jeanie is in the house. Tony being the wise one brings a gun with him.

[@toddpick8007]

Tony is taking all the risk.

[@6h4f1b]

Great video, thanks.

[@michaelcaldwell6935]

I think John wanted Carmine gone, but he might just as easily have sold out Tony after the hit on Carmine.

[@veo16]

As soon as Johnny Sac got what he wanted, the Feds pounced on him. Real 5head moment.

[@DaveSCameron]

Bonjour mon ami and thanks for the entertainment you give once again 🙏😎

[@deprogramm]

Can you talk about "the money" ? The same money livia had that janice was looking for and the same money tony asked Jr about throughout the series. Most notably when he was in the state asylum.

[@mrbobtehbuildah]

The dutchman's treasure hehehe Also, nice pfp

[@carlgustafemilmannerheim5661]

Livia lied about having stashed money because she knew Janice was there to pick the freaking bones, she did it to make Janice treat her well, possible in fear of what Janice would do to her in retaliation for her miserable childhood. Livia was the sneakiest fuck out of all of them.

[@scoliosis9478]

@@carlgustafemilmannerheim5661 if that’s the case what about junior and him sayin livia got a package that would choke an elephant

[@carlgustafemilmannerheim5661]

@@scoliosis9478 watch this scene on KZbin "Olivia and Janice do not resuscitate" and tell me I'm wrong, Junior might right about what he is saying but Livia could already had spent that money. She is most definitely manipulating Janice and lying about having money

[@scoliosis9478]

@@carlgustafemilmannerheim5661 I think she has the money she just knows that she can manipulate janice by letting her know its there. And uses it as a litmus test to see that janice is really there to pick the friggin bones and isnt trying to be the caring daughter shes pretending to be in early season 2.

[@kingrye1624]

Love your videos!!! Keep them coming!!

[@ksjsjskdjskisnssoksjskskis8526]

this channel is an addictive substance

[@bryanmejia4826]

You know many aspects of that life don't really bother me, specifically the ones that pertain to making money, but the one thing I truly find repulsive though is the constant backstabbing, they're all a bunch of snakes in the grass.

[@mikef8741]

For a little while they were both cautious of each other after Tony pulled out. I even noticed when Tony declined, he didn't even get in his car because he was keeping his eyes on Johnny the whole time until Johnny left.

[@AdairZionist]

Love your channel. Keep up the good work.

[@warandconquest6522]

If John moves to take out Tony, the next jersey boss would be unable to trust him and it causes more friction. Johnny best case a scenario is to keep Tony where he is. He helps smooth over suspicions with the other familiar and things get back to business. How little carmine and the captains would react to that is anyone guess though

[@toddpick8007]

Jersey is a glorified crew you decapitate and do business with whats left where else are they going to go?

[@dustyguadian7570]

He has Paulie , all he needs to do is take out tony and Silvio . Then everyone will fall in-line . When tony was in hospital Vito was trying to be boss. These guys all want the power

[@FreddyEwan2timeGMoftheYear]

This stuff is great! Keep it up!

[@DrJ-hx7wv]

John's my favorite character hands down. As always, an excellent breakdown.

[@clamcrewcarclub6017]

Same, I never really saw him any more “weasely” or slimey than any of the other degenerate characters on the show. Man was just out to get money and not get whacked, which he did fairly well, considering he died in a hospital with his wife and daughter. The worst thing he did was threaten to torture Tony B. I would even argue his morality with how he loved and stood up for his wife, and didn’t rat when he got arrested

[@vernefits1953]

Brilliant analysis

[@jodu626]

Never thought about it but yeah looking at it now it seems obvious. Good video 👍🏻

[@imablazeuonfiya]

This was definitely a set up because if you want someone to do a favour for you, you would want to make the deal worthwhile for that person to do that favour for you. All John said when asked by Tony "what will you do for me?" was "I'll take a sad song and make it better" and Tony himself had to bring up a proposal that future construction projects will have to be done in his favour even though John is asking for help. In addition, John still wanted to whack Carmine after he settled the matter which makes no sense because why would you whack a guy even after a matter has been settled? If Tony actually went through with whacking Carmine, John would then talk to the other bosses and get them to think Tony acted alone in regards to whacking Carmine and then Tony would be hit because in that life, "dead men tell no tales" and this mentality would surface because John doesn't want to risk Tony ever letting the 4 other families know that John conspired to whack Carmine.

[@brianban110]

yup, he's the type who would do that.

[@nikousenpai]

he tried to recruit my mulinane and roughed up my appraiser!

[@gabrielM1111]

You know... A smoke... Charcoal briquette.

[@Pharto_Stinkus]

I don't think John planned to betray Tony, but I have no doubt that he kept the option open in the back of his mind just in case.

[@johnnymn4monic726]

John was probably my favorite character on the Sopranos, him and SIlvio

[@markhernandez3860]

Jealousy and greed in the mafia? LOL 🤣 I get enough of that with friends and family.

[@Fittsburgh]

Always thought Johnny Sac brought Tony and Sil to the restaurant without telling Carmine. Johnny gave them a bad offer and showed them what they could destroy to hurt Carmine

[@jeffgachihi8225]

Last year you believed a flying sauce was over East Rutherford...

[@drobinson-uo7ic]

Johnny Sack was one of my favorite characters. I enjoyed amd admired every time he was on screen.

[@a1duzit]

Did you call Johnny Sack ignorant? And setting up Tony wouldn't have worked because Johnny Sack would have go the worst of it. This same thing happened in real life with Angelo Bruno and the Philly family. And John Gotti wanted Castellano gone because Castellano was greedy and the fact Neil Dellacroce should have been the real boss after Gambino died

[@whitecloak11]

louis the somethings minister the something and his wise words from carmine lol

[@marquesjohnson6359]

if anything Johnny was positioning himself to be in a place of deniability with the other families if anything went wrong

[@STONESGAM]

It wasn't a setup but Tony was right when he said he was "taking all of the risk". If things worked out and there was no retaliation from any of the other families then Johnny would be the boss and profit financially as would Tony. If things didn't go well and the finger got pointed at the North Jersey Family then Tony could be whacked by the other families and Johnny Sack could play the fool and blame Tony as well. And he would still likely be boss if Tony was killed. The risk was all on Tony.

[@dj9001]

Great channel.

[@christopher0261]

He was quite smart Ofc he couldn’t be trusted none of the bosses could be he was smart manipulating his way into power and information

[@atticus6572]

If I were in Tony's shoes, I wouldn't want John as head of the Lupertazzi. He's a far more temperamental and therefore dangerous leader than both Carmine and Little Carmine. Ideally, it would've been better to seat Little Carmine on the throne and take advantage of his weaknesses.

[@user-xe2uw1mv4d]

INTRESTING THEORY. JOHN WAS DEFENITELY, THE MOST INTELIGENT GUY IN THE SHOW. MAYBE THAT WAS THE IDEA, BUT I THINK HE CONSIDERING TONY A FRIEND. WHO CAN KNOW FOR SURE?

[@toddpick8007]

Carmine was the most intelligent guy in the show.

[@user-xe2uw1mv4d]

@@toddpick8007 BOTH OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@_b001]

7:17 Tony wears a hat in 1st season, remember that yacht scene with Irina, you can see him wear a cap before leaving the yacht

[@nicksambides2628]

I love these sorts of presentations because you see from them how deeply people regard what could just be dismissed as a TV show. I think that ultimately Johnny and Tony were pals because they made up just before Johnny got pinched by the FBI and thus began Johnny's downfall, but it was a 51% situation -- just 1% over an even split and 2% beyond going the other way.

[@kylerobison1425]

It wasn’t a set up Johnny wanted to be boss but couldn’t be linked to his murder.

[@chriscroke718]

*Johnny Sack watching this video* “WHAT IS THIS THE FUCKING UN NOW”

[@atalcot1]

New York always seemed like they wanted to make money off the New Jersey crews, but ultimately had little interest in actually having to go to Jersey to manage anything hands on.

[@ledflaplin2001]

John was closest to Tony. If Carmine would have been hit and it was pinned on Tony. John would have been whacked too because he would have been boss and was the only one who would have benefited for Carmines death. There were two factions fighting over the mantle anyway. Little Carmines and Johns side.

[@maximlloyd3143]

Given he's the man Tony goes to in the first place to help deceive Junior its shown to us from day one that manipulation is his strong suit. Dude never plays on a equal playing field if he can help it.

[@theedgereport7383]

I ordered spaghetti with marinara sauce, I got egg noodles and ketchup.

[@billbrasky7540]

Makes sense after the scene where he and Tony are in the hardware store and Tony basically calls all the shots to where he would be making major money off of their shared ventures while John would be making less than half and in the HUD scam, nothing at all... John was one of my favorites, still is, but after seeing this series like 6 times over (on S6 of the 6th watch) my views from johnny being cool and collected and stand-up faded and I saw he was really just greedy, hot headed, overly emotional, and a sneak (but he sure can smoke a cigarette cooler than anyone else... Well, idk, Michael Madsen as Mr Blonde in Reservoir Dogs is up there too). However, I never thought of the Carmine hit as a set-up against Tony, but given all the money he just simply have up on when negotiating with Tony in the store, it seems probable that John intended on seeing Tony and his glorified crew vanish in the near future, thus irrigating all claims to Tony's HUD business back to John; good video and a good theory. Throughout my watches I've also had a change of opinion about Paulie too, but that's for another time.

[@Johnny2Feathers]

Christopher sniffed out what Johnny was up to.

[@saadasaad8538]

I think he would have blackmailed Tony basically telling him do everything i say accept any crumbs i give you or i tell everyone you killed Carmine

[@TheBGjosh]

I thought it was a set up for sure when I thought the hit was going to go through

[@solidshot6600]

Can you do a vid about Paulie and the meaning of his encounter with the Virgin Mary? Always thought that it was his guilt manifested

[@videk9269]

John gotti wasnt mastermind behind pauls hit he was sammys driver

[@garcia4717]

I hear ginny's ninety pound mole is in the ripley's believe it or not museum

[@mikefloyd3152]

Borko asks about you

[@SopranoTheories]

Give him my love

[@litedawg]

He was using Tony so he could be the boss. John always wanted that seat , and yet as soon as he got it he was arrested.

[@theALMIGHTY987]

I believe John felt disrespected when anyone else was mentioned 4 the"big chair", seeing all the effort he put in 4 Carmine. He was a spy 4 his family, he didn't really get any enjoyment of being"underboss".

[@nickk7425]

I always thought it was so crazy how Carmine SR and Jonny Sac always kept a very respectful personal business relationship, while in reality both of them wanted to kill each other...

[@DCDPM]

I think Johnny Sack was a lot of this but he definitely wasn't a weasel.

[@theALMIGHTY987]

Johnny Sac felt disrespected, the underboss sent to do spy duty. Plus Tony & the family knew why he was always in NJ. That's why he had no problem making jokes a/b Jenny or hearing any either.

[@helenwood1]

Agree with the theory. Johnny sac would have killed both T and Carmine to take over both families if he could have.

[@tomsalvucci1669]

I think he just wanted to keep his hands clean learning from the gotti takeover, although there weren’t really any repercussions of it. It also would create some dissent with tony and little carmine which would give John a leg up on any issues that would come up money wise with tony as he wouldn’t have a strong ally when it came to decisions or a buffer. It’s more for power although that could have definitely backfired and showed a weakness on his part not stepping up and with the pride a New York family has in leadership. I definitely thought tony should have stayed out of it period. Maybe consulted John by allowing use of his out of town (Italy) connections and making it so tony knew, but his hands were clean thus strengthening his bargaining chip on any and all ventures going forward.

[@wallyd2d]

Ohhhh! That opening was out of line. John played the game.

[@theafflictionvhs17]

Him with those _FISH LIPS_ of his...

[@jeffcummins1408]

The Sopranos would have certainly made convenient scapegoats for Johnny's plan. It makes a lot of sense.

[@Ronfost89]

I figure he just saw it as a win, win.