Was There an Advanced Civilization Before Our Own?

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[@orwellboy1958]

Somewhere on the edge of our solar system is a sign post that says 'proceed with caution, humans ahead'.

[@bozbozman1575]

You are referring to the Kuiper Belt. "Do Not Enter"😂

[@zolzbernack7563]

Proceed with caution. Under construction. Patent pending. Enter at own risk. Slippery when wet....

[@Aeonshield]

I hear they're mostly harmless!

[@waynemyers2469]

Yeah, but the sign is written in "High Xtatloon" which nobody can read so, thanks for nothing.

[@peterh3889]

@@Aeonshieldfinally a reference to the Guide.. been scrolling looking for awhile now.. missed the first ten minutes of Simon talking but totally worth it 😜😜😜

[@Dc-alpha]

“Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.”

[@jo6445]

Have you got your towel?

[@Dc-alpha]

@@jo6445 You doubt I'm a frood?

[@JRockySchmidt]

Well it's a bypass, you have to build bypasses

[@Dc-alpha]

@@JRockySchmidt Nahhhhhhhh..... Now a hyperspace bypass......

[@seanmorgan2356]

Don't panic.

[@Amehdion]

Strange you didn't mention the most interesting thing about Gobekli Tepe. The fact it was obviously a major cultural center and was deliberately buried in 8,000 BCE, or 10,000 years ago. It's a pristine site, with monolithic structures predating any known monolith building culture by several thousands of years. These people were building giant stone structures when the rest of the world was in the Pre-pottery Neolithic age.

[@jelink22]

You should head on over to Ancient Architects on KZbin, where you will learn how that idea has been severely undercut by physical evidence. Numerous dwellings have been excavated, showing a small town around the central temples--if that's what they were. Likewise, close inspection of the strata covering the ruins show the former to be a long-term process of gradual erosion and landslides from the hillside above.

[@thrawn82]

Minuteman does an excellent job with this one kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnu4amppfsd6bassi=WO8v3kQOZfFCpCVe

[@dannysoul1396]

⁠@@jelink22that still doesn’t explain how they had agricultural production 12000 years ago humans have been exactly the same for 200000 years he even said so in this video so to think we could not have risen as a civilisation before is pretty stupid and as we had gobekli tepe 12000 years ago that clearly shows organised civilisation I’m sure there could have been more and I’m even more sure that in the future we will find more

[@davidburroughs2244]

@@dannysoul1396 GB is neolithic and that means before pottery... the stone used was soft limestone and workable with other rocks, etc., the "everything was buried" idea is false, there are clear evidence many were scrapped, filled, and especially, had newer works of the same type built on top by the very same peoples in the very same ways. I am going to stop there, my best suggest is start your own investigation with the real scientists by, for example, look at The Travel + Gobekli Tepe, or, Milo Rossi + Gobekli Tepe and the people looking into these things tell the truth about what we know and are learning about GB and the several similar other Tepes around there.

[@AtomicDoorknob]

and there is hillsides full of (similar?) buried structures surrounding the site

[@sarahissersohn5495]

As someone who is not a fan of camping, may I just say, I do not agree that hunting/gathering would be in any way superior to farm life. Farms have beds, even if they’re not fancy. Farms would also allow for whoever isn’t working, to travel for trade with other communities, for interesting things they can’t or don’t make, themselves. Also, farms made the first beer production possible. So yeah. Forests are awesome, but I’d still pick to live on a farm, over hunting/gathering, all day.

[@keebster715]

I'd like Simon to read something about just how sporadic the fossil record actually is. I mean every single time a dead animal is turned into a fossil is about the most miraculous thing that can and has happened. The amount of things that need to be just right for it to happen is crazy.

[@resileaf9501]

The nice thing is that on a period of hundreds of millions of years and countless creatures who lived on our planet, even if a minuscule fraction of them will be fossilized, there will still be plenty of them left for us to find.

[@whyjnot420]

@@resileaf9501 But at the rate of fossilization, there will not be enough of a single human to serve as holotype. So whatever they know about what was once on the planet, our role will have to be implied by artifacts that we leave rather than any of our fossilized remans of any of us. That should help hammer in just how rare the formation of any single fossil is. What I said doesn't even being to start factoring in things like estimates at the rate existing fossils actually survive, are identified and examined scientifically. edit: btw with no humans being fossilized enough to serve as holotype, it has nothing to do with time. There simply haven't been enough of us in the whole of human history combined (so far anyways).

[@stephanybrown3226]

Agreed it would be interesting. It's just a fragment of the total population. Few years ago there was a paper released about how many t-rex total roamed and it was possibly around 2.5 billion.

[@thetalkingbear]

Agreed. There are very specific conditions to form them. Unfortunately a lot of the earlier life forms were really fragile.

[@Nefville]

That's true. We still find fossils of course, all over the place. Its like playing the lottery, the chance you will win is very small but the chances _someone_ will win are very good. With enough people playing (or events, happenings) even remote odds become overwhelming. And nothing is more impossible then proving something *didn't* happen.

[@DungeonDragon18]

Miniminuteman had a great 4-part series tearing Ancient Apocalypse to shreds.

[@Da40kOrks]

Came here to say the same thing. Milo is awesome

[@robertcartwright2236]

Seen em too, though there's plenty of channels that have videos debunking his videos, so much chaos

[@astreaward6651]

@@robertcartwright2236 just a bunch of butthurt Graham Hancock fanboys that don't like to be called out for believing BS

[@mawe8601]

​@@robertcartwright2236 you mean they TRY to debunk Milo. They fail miserably.

[@cabemunneke40]

I was gonna say the same thing, both Stephen Milo and Milo from mini minute man have deep insightful criticisms. They also point out how much of these theories link closely to Nazi ideology... Tbh I'm not that far into the episode and haven't got to the debunking yet. I just couldn't help but talk about the two Milo's.

[@complex314i]

The reason so many ancient cultures built pyramids is because, lacking advanced materials and architectural techniques, the only large structure that is stable has a wide base and becomes narrower as it rises, aka a pyramid.

[@lucietigger1641]

Yep, and many of the civilisations just went for building with the most available and easy to prepare resource - stone. Just imagine if some of the most prolific pyramid builders had rich seams of pure metals near them and lots of trees for fuel. I.e. resources so common that they weren't conserved just for tools, jewelery, weapons. I reckon we would have seen early attempts at strengthening structures with a lot of metal, and wood is a lighter material but still strong. Combine all of that with stone and suddenly straight sided tall buildings isn't that much of a stretch.

[@1derss]

GH has many fascinating hypotheses and has written some very entertaining and intriguing books. It was a pleasant surprise to find him so prominently acknowledged in this video. Fact or fiction, historian or hack, he's a best-selling author for a reason.

[@zakariwalker7477]

Regardless of what Graham's theories and thoughts are, it's gotten people wanting to look into archaeology, ancient history etc. And that helps the field of work, plus having someone like this challenge the norm of archaeology is healthy for the industry.

[@woobilicious.]

What's healthy is giving money to actual hardworking scientists and making actual informative documentaries and not wasting it on conspiracy theories by idiots with a prosecution complex and contributing to the further decline on trust in science and institutions so Netflix can line the pockets of their shareholders.

[@zakariwalker7477]

@woobilicious. all scientists actually do is prove people like him right or wrong, most of the scientists and others alike were called crazy at some stage in their career for their theories, all science does is prove conspiracies right or wrong through trial and error and other forms of experimentation, so you are wrong, but you are right that we should give money to actual scientists to prove these theories out there right or wrong, you don't understand that these discussions are healthy and having someone who isn't apart of their groups challenge them in a way they have not been challenged about a topic before helps not only their careers but the industry as a whole, you can agree or disagree with graham all you like cause that is your opinion but one thing you cannot dispute is that he is bringing attention to an industry people have been neglecting and it is healthy for it, say for instance Neal degrasse tyson is not a legit scientists doing studies and tests all the time but he's made people interested in it.

[@neilwalker4575]

You may as well say that anti-vaxers and the colloidal silver enthusiasts are healthy for the medical profession. People like Hancock lead to distrust in the actual experts, who have spent their life studying and understanding the civilisations that Hancock dismisses as feckless savages. It's hugely harmful.

[@TehCanadian]

Its less conspiracy theory & more like speculation. He has never denied that his work is speculation. He has admitted time and time again his thoughts are based upon what he see's and extrapolates at various sites worldwide, and from others research and evidence. Many may hate him but ya'll need to go watch Joe Rogans podcast episodes w/ Randall, Graham, and the both of em. I'll even list 'em. Episodes 501, 606, 725, 872, 1172, 1897, and 2051. Gain some big time insight on humanities past, and how some of Graham's speculation could very well tie into the scientific past of our history.

[@zakariwalker7477]

@TehCanadian I do watch his content mate, I know what randal carlsons theories are, please don't assume 🤙

[@danielgengler4342]

I've read about the Silurian Hypothesis. It's a thought experiment, not a theory. Meaning that its creators don't believe there were any earlier civilizations, they just ask the question "How would we look for one?" It ends up being more of an examination of our own civilization.

[@M1ggins]

Yeah, any signs of a civilization that old (in the millions of years) would've been completely wiped away by geological forces.

[@tystkanin9996]

I don't think Graham ascribes to the Silurian hypothesis. He more so wants people with the know-how and tech to look into the questions he is posing and it seems the archaeological society is just refusing to even try. With everything I have seen of Graham (which is quite a bit), he asks questions without asserting anything as fact. These theories may not all be right but they are all worth looking into further even if some archaeologists would be stuck questioning their lives work and dealing with some possibly bruised egos.

[@HAVOCJKD]

There isn't an archaeological person around that wouldn't love to have their name attached to a discovery that changed things completely.....the reason they don't follow Hancocks assertions is he asks "questions" that have been answered already, and yes he absolutely asserts things as being wrong when they aren't. Bimini Road is a prime example Hancock is a content creator, not a scholar. His methods are exceptionally slack and he is just the latest in a line of Charrouxs, Von Dannikens and even Blavataskys. He rejects orthodoxy not because it is wrong, but because he is pushing his own theory...and theory which relies entirely on a LACK of evidence rather than proof of his. He is the equivalent of a theist, relying on faith and feeling rather than evidence and veracity ​@@tystkanin9996

[@zarasbazaar]

If there's no evidence and his theory may not be right, why would any serious scientist want to waste their time on it? It's not that they're "stuck in their ways" or "reluctant to accept new ideas". They're not going to go looking for magic unicorns just because someone with a cult following thinks he's right.

[@M1ggins]

@@tystkanin9996 Except as soon as they prove him wrong he totally ignores it, or says 'we must re-evaluate the meaning of..' so he doesn't have to admit he's wrong. Because admitting he's wrong would hurt his future earnings though books and TV shows that peddle his much debunked nonsense. Ironically he accuses of archaeologist of being dogmatic and stuck with the 'official narrative', you probably nod sagely at that, completely ignoring that archaeologists and historians are constantly changing their theories with new evidence, whilst Hancock sticks to his dogma regardless.

[@phteven9610]

I'm only halfway through but there's definitely something to this, I'm from Romania and because of the USSR, archeologists only now have started looking into the black sea. At the bottom of the black sea, where the saltiness levels are so high, they found villages, clay jars, and other stuff used for farming and trade. So when it comes to the creation of the black sea, there was most definitely a big flood that took place, that most likely surprised the population living near the lake that is now the black sea.

[@davidburroughs2244]

Water levels been going up as the world warms,and apparent water levels can change with the earth's plates getting pushed up or down as they move and then rise or subside. Look at the area between England and Holland which was affected so (Dogger land). The land plates moving around has been as proven as anything can be, no fantasies of ancient aliens nor ancient gods needed to sensible mind.

[@IreneWY]

I watched a very interesting documentary about it. The black sea definitely is very interesting and a good contestant for a flood myth, at least in the area. Supposedly it grew in size in a very short period of time and went from sweet water lake to salt water sea.

[@wingerding]

Or sea levels rise like they did all over the world.

[@kaikiefer499]

Wow... a video about Atlantis without mentioning Atlantis even once.

[@JustNilt]

Right? I mean, sure, in theory that's all possible but there's just no real evidence for it. It remains no more than a theory. The idea that we know everything is, of course, absurd but presenting theories such as this without a single shred of actual evidence is just grifting, IMO.

[@Stonegolem6]

I love Simons attitude about pre agricultural societies, that living in the woods was somehow carefree. Like it wasn't a ton of work to stay alive before farming. Farming took a lot of the risk out of finding and procuring food.

[@ZMB-on5ub]

If you have twins please name them "Hunter" and "Gatherer."

[@gregbors8364]

Fun fact: Hunter-gatherers in the American Pacific Northwest lived relatively easily, with an abundance of berries, salmon, and small game available

[@nihlify]

I mean, there's a big overlap between a fully agricultural societies and purely "hunter gatherers".

[@dirtbikerman1000]

It's not that farming took the risk out of things. It's the opposite When the iceage ended 12000 years ago, most of the megafauna in the northern hemisphere went extinct. You can't have fields of crops with wooly mammoths and rhinos in europe, giant camels in north America Flat faced bears, dire wolfs, and many more huge animals trampling your crop or literally eating you. Agriculture could happen because the rapid end of the ice age wiped out all of the big animals The suspects are Multiple comets Or solar flares from the sun.

[@ZMB-on5ub]

@@gregbors8364 Fun fact: Today in the pacific northwest those same natives would get stabbed by a fentanyl zombie.

[@InsanityPlusOne]

As a new Zealander I at least knew that but it was pretty recent news afaik, as a child we did not know NZ was massive once.

[@whosgotmyGT]

Kia kaha bro…

[@mandaout2427]

That accent was upsetting... and probably accurate

[@tamlandipper29]

AND WILL BE AGAIN

[@InsanityPlusOne]

@@tamlandipper29 only if we get hit by some major seismic shiz

[@infobeam1902]

Where are Zoolanders from 😂😂😂

[@jameslightfoot1872]

Until 1997 the oldest megalithic structures were dated around 4000 BC. Then Gobekli Tepi changed everything. It is not unfathomable to think that there is more out there that we just don't know about yet. It is not proof, but it is certainly room for doubt.

[@elbalirachid2658]

I agree. A couple of hundred years ago the people didn't have any idea of the existence of virusses or bacteria. I ask myself what people in the future will know and what will be logical to them, maybe something we are not understanding today or have no clue about. We are always assuming we know a lot but I think we know little...the universe is so big and so complex

[@vincentschaaf]

I dont thinik Golbekli Tepe was sufficiently explained. Would have also been nice to include Boncuklu Tarla since that site is far older and more extravagant, which makes it even less likely to be made for little reason IMO. I think its becoming more obvious that civilization predates our current understanding, but as of yet no evidence that it was advanced. for me, the evidence that civilization predates the younger dryas is stacking. Maybe we had a early bronze age before the flood, and took 2 steps back following. This for me seems more plausable than 'we built megastructures for hunter gathering for no known reason'

[@waltersobchak6]

There was advanced civilizations. They just didn’t have mechanical engineering and flying cars and crap. You can do technology in a different way. Tesla thought the pyramid of Giza was a power plant. I am not saying it was but we should be more open minded about this stuff

[@666Lazzarus]

They found an even older site near by called Boncuklu Tarla. Around 12,000 years old

[@stateazure]

Tesla was also considered a little crazy and had some very whacky ideas that went nowhere. There's nothing wrong with being open minded, but the pyramids very clearly weren't power plants of any sort and there's no evidence of any advanced technology that's 'different' without invoking some kind of 'magical' physics.@@waltersobchak6

[@wingerding]

​@@waltersobchak6 all subjecture

[@dianapennepacker6854]

I am under the camp that there was most likely are older permsment civilizations, but the melting glacial ice put their civilization under water. Not saying it was massive like Egypt. More likely they were smaller affairs. I would argue at the mouth where a river goes into the ocean would be a good place to look, but rivers can radically change courses over time. Especially if you have glacial melt causing flooding every year. Any object swallowed by sea level rising would degrade rapidly due to tides coming in and out eroding it, with salt water destroying it, and organisms eating it. Furthermore some scientists believe that humans were evolving as some water ape. I will be honest I'm not sure if that theory holds much water myself, but thought I'd add it. Anyway erosion is a b1tch. It is totally possible there were many smaller sized civilizations that are just lost with the winds of time. I don't believe that Stone monoliths are a requirement to be a cavitation.

[@Nerdvanna98]

Fossils are an incredibly rare occurrence, and were a society to have existed say 11,000 years ago then the bones we do discover would look like any other human remains. You have to also remembering that any structures made of anything other than would long have collapsed and crumbled to nothing over that time frame, just as our most impressive skyscraper would decay into dust. Thats also not to mention that just as we do today, ancient people would have made cities near coastlines and rivers that may have long been submerged with rising sea levels. When people entertain the idea that advanced civilizations existed in our ancient past they arent usually saying thay everyone was flying around in space ships powered by magic crystals, just that technological and societal progression isnt necessarily linear and that ancient people may have had knowledge of metaphysical matters or means of construction that we dont understand today.

[@izuela7677]

I am curious if there was an early bronze (or whatever metal) age somewhere over 50.000 years ago (or a million, etc), that only lasted for a few hundred years before it suffered it's own bronze age collapse (plagues, floods, famines, empty mines...), would we be able to tell? Even if an archeologist got lucky and dug in exactly right spot what would remain of the buildings or forged metal? Considering we still find and lose whole damn cities and pyramids in the amazons, that aren't that old, I not sure we wouldn't miss a whole civilization that been buried over a 1000 times as long ago.

[@timsytanker]

Stone tools don’t decay and they would have to be the first items any civilisation would create. Homo Habillis was the first species of ‘ape man’ to start using tools and every other species then refined their use. Records show there was no great leap in the way basic tools were used over the next couple of million years up to the Bronze Age. Humans came about by evolution not revolution and that took millions of years, as hunter gatherers there was no drive for change until environmental factors kicked in. Look at the horseshoe crab, it’s as old as the dinosaurs but so suited to its environment it has no incentive to evolve, it certainly wasn’t driving around in jet cars a million years ago.

[@Nerdvanna98]

@timsytanker Well I'd say it's a bit of a stretch to compare human evolution to horseshoe crabs since there's just a little bit of difference in our biology, consciousness and how we function. There's a massive bias in modern archaeology that's just now beginning to fade with the Clovis first narrative, in that it was the dogmatic mainstream idea that the Clovis people were the oldest civilization in North America so that means there's no point on digging any deeper than 10,000 years ago because nothing could possibly be lower than that without humans already being in North America. Since that time we've found evidence to push back human habitation to at least 20,000 years ago and possibly further, doubling the span of time humans were in North America with a single discovery. My point is that we still have so much to discover about our past, and if a single discovery can rewrite history by 10,000 years than its not at all out of the realm of possibility to discover an ancient, advanced civilization. Just because you see a progression in advancements in stone tools doesn't mean that somewhere else in the world another culture hadn't developed metal working, you have to remember that primitive stone age tribes still exist today as we fly over them with our jets, and were civilization to collapse today their stone tools would survive millenia while the jets are reduced to dust.

[@johnhough7738]

I love those 'artefacts in a coal seam' things that pop up. Makes me ponder and wonder, what else are we missing?@@izuela7677

[@gregmasseyify]

Very well put indeed 👍

[@user-lv6rn9cf8m]

The first pancake lubricates the pan perfectly, that's why the rest doesn't stick. When making french crepes at restaurants, they don't even pretend to try and get the first one right

[@waynemyers2469]

Are you insinuating that there is any kind of a connection between a pancake and a crepe? You boor.

[@stever285]

It always works the other way for me, the first pancake turns out just fine and they go down hill from there.

[@SimonRousseau1]

french means add more butter between every crepe

[@infobeam1902]

I seen an analogy in this comment with humanity lol must be the coke

[@robertp457]

The first pancake cools the pan down if it’s too hot.

[@hanktrill]

The line of study about how nomadic lifestyle was then replaced by agrarianism is a very Eurocentric view on human history. Many Indigenous Nations and communities would have multiple living locations based on seasonal patterns and land regeneration. Many Peoples on Turtle Island (what we know as Canada) were living this lifestyle since time and memorial and were forced into sedentary settlements by colonial Europe. There’s also traditional ecological knowledge that proves how many Indigenous Nations practiced strategic harvesting, akin to farming, and not simply ‘foraging’. The more you know! 🧡

[@bridgetboyle687]

In our house, the first pancake is designated the sacrifice to Oolatek. A nod to the movie Heavy Metal. If you do not eat the sacrifice to Oolatek, all the other pancakes are doomed to a malformed existence. The real reason is because the pan is not at the appropriate temperature and you’re using the first pancake to figure out if it’s too hot or too cold.

[@traitorfang1416]

I really like the idea of the flood myth originating with the Sumerians. They were an isolate language, with no connections to other semetic languages in the region such as Akkadian. The theory is that their original ancestors lived around the bottom of the Persian Gulf (which at the time would've been mostly above water), but as sea level rose, it likely drove these peoples further and further north. Tides would've washed away their lands and all their settlements and they would've passed down these stories from generation to generation. I recommend a video on the Sumerian by the 'Fall of Civilizations' he covers this theory alot better.

[@nihlify]

If true we would have evidence of their new settlements idiot...

[@M1ggins]

have an upvote for Fall of civilizations, try History Time too.

[@OffRampTourist]

That's a great channel.

[@OffRampTourist]

​@@M1gginssubbed to that one too.

[@chrisrose_krii_lun_aus]

Wasn't a myth

[@culpabilis9181]

The issue with Graham Hancock’s theory is that he starts with a conclusion and then goes about finding evidence to support it, instead starting with a question (like “is it possible that there was an ancient civilization before recorded history?”) and then forming a conclusion based on research and evidence. These are not my own words, this is a paraphrasing of Milo Cirus from MiniMinuteMan but I agree with his assessment. And I apologize if I misspelled his surname horribly.

[@paulnolan6866]

See the problem with this is, the whole point he's trying to make is that the evidence your asking for is missing and he's trying to work with what's in front of him.

[@joshjones6072]

I don't think it's strange to think there might have been areas of slightly more technological early agricultural people 12,000 years ago, Glacial Period ice sheets extending down to about 45° Latitude in Europe and N. America. Ocean sea levels rose 400 ft, and would have displaced many.

[@anthonysaunders345]

When you want to build something really large and tall and you don't have steel and concrete, you're going to use stone and your structure is going to be pyramidal in shape. Remember also that these pyramids arose at vastly different times. The biggest Mayan pyramids came three and a half thousand years after Giza. Also, when the Spanish arrived in Mesoamerica the Aztecs were in the process of building pyramids. Strange that the Spanish never mentioned aliens in their records.

[@julietfischer5056]

Every pyramid is a mass of stone or mud brick, with only a few tunnels (if any). They were also constructed for different purposes. The Egyptian pyramids were gigantic burial mounds, while the temples of Meso-America were mostly ritual platforms.

[@christasimon9716]

6:08 The History Channel: Where the truth is history.

[@theconqueringram5295]

I love that Simon casually has a book simply titled 'SEX' in the lower left corner of the screen.

[@PyroluxAemilius]

I noticed that barely a minute into the video, had to pause and see if anyone else noticed or mentioned. I had to scroll so far to find this comment.

[@clickedit8316]

Something you definitely want to master.

[@ladycarolinejoanne4835]

Glad I’m not the only one! David’s next book?!

[@russell2910]

What a perv

[@makinapacal]

I am a Master Of My Domain.

[@Creepy-Girl]

This sounds like the transcript from the Netflix show... There are plenty of ruins built on top of each others around the world as Graham mentioned. One not mentioned is Machu Picchu in Peru, with its megalithic stones as a base but with more crude stones at the top. Göbekli Tepe was also deliberately buried, which is also very fascinating. While there are some holes in Graham's claims, it's not impossible at all. So wouldn't hurt for Archaeologies to have a more open mind and look into it. There are after all holes in modern Archaeologies claims as well.

[@MrAsh1989]

I don't think it's possible a post industrial civilization could have been here before us and not leave traces, but an advanced civ capable of building the sphynx, sure. Makes sense to me

[@balazsvarga1823]

Yeah, exactly. It could have been an iron age one. But definately not the Woo-powered UFOs that Graham sometimes bursts out much to my immense dissapointment. Imagine something like Mayans or Romans.

[@grabacactus5709]

how where the pyramids built

[@Rid3thetig3r]

​@@grabacactus5709 From the inside out.

[@MrAsh1989]

@@balazsvarga1823 Precisely. People often say if humans vanished today, there would be no traces of us left in 10,000 years. But that's not true. Excavations would remain. Canals. Radio isotopes in spent uranium, and probably many more hallmarks of humanity that I don't know about

[@JonMembersonly]

The issue with the Sphinx, outside any other theory or ancient structure is the simple fact that the Sphinx has insane amounts of erosion on it. Nothing in Egypt compares to it. Throw on the fact that it's been buried under sand for thousands of years makes it really hard to believe it's not older.

[@julietfischer5056]

There are alternating layers of hard and soft limestone. Right now, people can see flakes the size of potato chips coming off it as night gives way to day. Perfectly natural forces at work.

[@Amehdion]

The writer also left out the most important part about the sphinx. The erosion can only be from rain, and the last time it rained enough to cause erosion like that in the Nile valley was around 10,000 years ago. meaning the sphinx predates known Egyptian civilization by 5000-ish years.

[@daltonking6956]

I was very disappointed they did not bring up the head of the sphinx in this video at all, and it being recarved from a lion

[@julietfischer5056]

@@daltonking6956- It always had a human head.

[@JonMembersonly]

​@@julietfischer5056 what about the blocks in temple in front of the Sphinx. The temple was made with the blocks removed from the construction of the Sphinx. Yet they show ZERO I repeat zero erosion. These are the same limestone, same layers. Only difference would be water cascading over enclosure. And not in the temple. I do think we are missing whole chapters of our history. But leaving that as a separate argument, why can't the Sphinx be built by actual Egyptians just at an older time. It stands out as a sore thumb in the timeline. The erosion compared to literally everything else makes zero sense.

[@acethesupervillain348]

I think part of why the precursor civilization theory is so attractive is not that it's believable, but it's so much more believable than so many of the other crazy hokum that people come up with.

[@dankharrold3774]

Same reason I believe in Santa but not God.

[@boburanus69]

I think it's a reaching concept at best, since even if true, we would be completely unable to verify or even tell approximate age without some sort of organic material to test. I think the course humans are currently on is such an unlikely scenario it could only happen after 50k years of trial and error where humanity gets to 'farming and textiles and community' but then lacks the interconnected-ness to grow beyond that without lots of war, suffering, and conquest. The reason why we have this level of technology might only be because we launched a nuclear program and then used a bomb, and the impact of it set humanity on this very specific course (when it could have been much different) and the resulting growth in research, technology, immigration of scientists from other leading countries after the war, AND the progress within subsequent wars taking place after the use of the bomb, to gain other sophisticated and very purpose driven technologies. The country we nuked became one of our greatest allies. We established military bases there, rebuilt their country, and then gave them technology access and a bustling economy. Japan's growth after WW2 mirrored the US and only really began to split into it's own thing when technology being released in Japan became popular worldwide, giving them the ability to be a world leader, even without an active military. Something that kinda hit me when I was browsing UFO rabbit holes... What if, and this is a huge, gigantic, WHAT IF: Japan is the country responsible for developing UFO technology. Japan was all about attacking the US up through WW2 when they surrendered. They were exposed to God Level Military Tech twice in two bigger cities. From there, they became our allies and as part of a pact with the US, agreed to devote their time to developing technologies, most of which have consumer applications, while the US has all these home grown military applications they use abroad, as allies of Japan. FFW to today, we have sightings of UFOs and other UAP over military installations, nuclear facilities, and the places where we keep our nuclear arsenal. Japan has a huge vested interest in ensuring the US (and any other country) is never allowed to use a nuclear weapon again. Having witnessed the first hand horrors of the tragedies of Nagasaki/Hiroshima, Japan developed secret technology to disable any device another country has built, while also being able to travel vast distances without being impacted by the environment, particularly gravity. It would be amazing if the one country in the world not allowed to have a military (it's part of their constitution as a country) turned out to be the country responsible for UAP/UFO technology. Ironic, I'd even be a fan.

[@timeweaselproduction]

Also, let's face it: it would just be really, really cool if there actually was one.

[@liquidminds]

There is just this weird problem with megalithic structures. We had "hunter gatherer", "ice age", "???", "ice age", "civilization" The simple assumption that the second ice age would have grinded away a lot of traces we had from the time between the 2 ice ages should be enough to argue why unknown ancient civilizations could have likely existed. It would have made perfect sense that the only structures from those civilizations that survived the following ice age were the megalithic structures, that got reinhabited after the ice receded. Main issue is, that by definition of this story, the chances for any archeological evidence for their existence are low. Giant ice-shelves grinding over soil are a great eraser of historic evidence...

[@musicaladdiction4147]

I buy into this theory man, I don’t think it’s completely accurate and Graham Hancocks work is a bit sketchy at best. Do a bit of research into this topic if you haven’t already it’s fascinating and I think you might be surprised. This video doesn’t do it justice and science isn’t the way people think, almost every single study cant be replicated accurately and nobody really tries it because it’s so expensive.

[@barry.w.christie]

The ruins at Gobekli Tepi have been dated to around 9500BC, therefore pre-dating the first supposed civilisations by around 5500 years, which seems to prove that the currently accepted history of the human race is seriously lacking. The mat (mentioned) is found around the world and contains a large amount of iridium, which is indicative of an asteroid strike , possibly on the ice caps thereby causing massive floods (as mentioned in most religious texts) ... have a look at the work done by Randall Carlson. Megalithic structures show that ancient people were able to work with some truly massive blocks of stone, something which we'd find hard to do even these days with all our machinery ... have a look at the Baalbek Stones, truly monumental quarried stone blocks.

[@NestoftheSun]

I feel like not including this information is a glaring problem, either with writer bias or with a failure to adequately research the subject

[@loke6664]

Not really, we see the beginning of that technology in another civilization: The Natufians (12 500- 9 400 BCE) and they didn't live that far away from Göbekli tepe either. They have been known about for 100 years but Graham seems to forget about them. They did not built T pillars but well those round walls around them, used the same water cistern we see at Göbekli tepe and a lot of other similar technology. They were around during the hypothesized asteroid strike and we don't see any decline in them, they also packed up and left just about the same time we see the tepes emerge a bit up north. As for the Baalbak stone, it was built by Roman engineers and they actually had machines. In that case I can't of course prove they carved that out but there is zero archaeological finds or artifacts at the site from the hypothesized timeline, not a single thing. If someone was doing massive work with massive machines I would expect them to leave some things behind, just look at any building work site today. The toolmarks on the stone do look exactly like Roman toolmarks though, not like like they came from powertools which is very suspicious. I am pretty sure the Romans were great engineers, we do know they moved a massive stone column (one that Graham thinks the Egyptians couldn't move) all the way to Rome, it was still a lot lighter then the Baalbek stone but that one they probably planned to move a short distance but since they never did, maybe they couldn't? It is still in place so I don't think it proves anyone actually could move it even from a lost high civilization, because no one ever did even if someone certainly planned to move it. In short: We have evidence the Romans were there and nothing from your alleged super civilization. You somehow dates it to the younger Dryas because? All evidence we have points towards the Romans, but if you actually could find a real evidence I would be all ears, that would be amazing. But "I think" is not evidence, just wishful thinking.

[@NestoftheSun]

@@loke6664 he didn't mention the baalbak stone. He talked about gobekli tepi, which the Romans did not make and which you didn't really give a response to as the natufians didn't build any megalithic anything. You just brush it aside because it doesn't fit into the narrative you're trying to push

[@loke6664]

@@NestoftheSun What are you talking about? There is a large Natufian megalith on the temple mound in Jerusalem even. Yes, they were smaller then Göbekli tepe which is what you expect from an earlier civilization, It is not about fitting into anything, it is about actual evidence instead of making things up. Yeah, we do not see any T-shaped pillars older then Karahan Tepe (or have not found any yet at least). In cases where we actually see a group of people moving in from far away we see a lot of new things, look on the Columbian exchange for instance. New animals, new plants, completely new technology from somewhere else. We don't see anything you could call writing at Göbekli tepe, the plants that got domesticated are all local. The tools we found are very similar to Natufian tools. Are you telling me that people from this high technological place couldn't even bring pottery? There is zero evidence from someone coming in to Göbekli tepe with new technology and if you want a bridge between the Natufians and Göbekli tepe you have Boncurlu tara who had a stone temple and similar building style 1000 years before Göbekli tepe. But show me the evidence and I will change my mind, evidence trumps theories any day.

[@NestoftheSun]

@@loke6664 how are you going to try to say with a straight face that the natufians, whose stonework is severely inferior to the work at gobekli tepi, moved to gobekli tepi and completely stopped farming, the thing the natufians are known for? No pollen has ever been found at gobekli tepi and if the people gathering there farmed at all pollen would have been found.

[@LordWaterBottle]

In my opinion, Graham's hypotheses are mostly entertaining, however they do highlight a need to gain a better understanding of the underwater parts of the world. I do agree that we need to do more underwater archeology, though I hope we actually end up with a better understanding of ocean ecosystems and find fossils we otherwise would not have access to, which may help solve a lot of prehistoric questions. I do not think we will find many human remains or structures.

[@loke6664]

Well, he is certainly right about that part but the problem is that there is a lot of ocean. I do think there is structures to find, they found a 10 000 years old structure on the bottom of the Baltic sea a bit over a week ago (it seems to be 10 000 years old, pretty large and meant to hunt herd animals into). We also have something that seems to be an early stone circle outside Orkney, it is dated to about 500 years older then the oldest stone circle on Orkney, is probably human made, Josh Gates wass there in an episode of "Expedition unknown". We also found Roman, Egyptian, Indian and Greel towns that sunk, usually due to earthquakes. The most interesting sites of all though is Ohalo II just outside the beach in Israel. It is a village from around 23 000 BCE but what makes it super interesting is that it is the first site with confirmed primitive agriculture. Check it up, super interesting. :) So yeah, there are certainly a lot of archaeology under water but I think Graham hopes for the lost city of Atlantis as seen in movies and that isn't going to happen. Besides the fact that Plato clearly use it as a made up example, even if he actually based it on facts there are some problems. First he claims they had a war with Athens, who we know started as a small town during the bronze age which totally screws up the time line. But that is not the worst thing, do you know what advanced technology Plato tells us they had? Well, they had ships and could work iron, not a single thing he say they have are not something you couldn't find in Athens during his lifetime. So yeah, while if Graham did find a 12 400 year sunken city the size of classical Athens that would be a sensation but it would not be what Graham want. Yeah, using classical technology back then would change our time line a bit but not enough for "The mainstream archaeologists" to cover it up as he think they do. The whole thing about super advanced technology were made up by sci-fi writers in the 19th century, and of course by mediums using psychic powers and usually were proven phoonies later. There is not a single earlier mention of that between Plato and the 1850s and no new evidence showed up either so it is made up later. But sure, underwater archaeology important, the hard things is to find where to dig since it is more expensive then regular archaeology that is also short on funding. That is why finds like that are usually found by accident, or in a few case by studying old scripts and very primitive maps.

[@DiamondCake2]

Yeah

[@MayomiBravo]

​@@loke6664, Janah James or J J, had shown the Egyptians had Atlantis mentioned in hyroglyphs before Platos time

[@loke6664]

@@MayomiBravo That is not exactly what they said. What they said was that the gods lived in a temple on a small island and the temple was swallowed by water. So no city mentioned at all and the temple being swallowed by water is probably symbolizing the yearly flooding by the Nile who brought fertile soil which gave the Egyptians their life. So there is a flooded temple involved but no sunken city. I guess you could claim that the Gods were actually Atlantians but it is a pretty weak hypothesis and it really doesn't have anything else in common with what Plato wrote. That is from the New kingdom BTW. For Plato's story to be verified with Egyptian sources we need a bit more, a sunken city to start with.

[@eatonkuntz]

Have you heard about the prehistoric logs washing up from Doggerland? Also there is a recently found mythical city off the coast of India, I don't remember the name, and some striking underwater features off the coasts of Japan and Bermuda. There are definitely underwater ruins.

[@GalinDray]

The First Pancake Problem: pancakes like to be cooked at a relatively low temp compared to other breakfast foots (like bacon or eggs). The pan you're using at home is at a high temperature before being used so when you put down the first pancake it cooks it too fast. All subsequent pancakes are fine because the pans heat was all dispersed from the first pancake, thus allowing all subsequent cakes to cook more slowly at a lower temp, this is how you get a good looking and tasting pancake. Source: I was a server at a small diner and one of the cooks had been to culinary school. One part of his grill he always kept much lower heat so he would be able to cook the pancake orders and they'd come out perfectly. Took forever tho.

[@molybdomancer195]

U.K. pancakes are closer to crepes than US breakfast pancakes. Thinner and wider. We don’t eat them for breakfast but traditionally on Shrove Tuesday aka Pancake Day

[@EconAdviser]

Pans and stovetop burners vary wildly to affect the temp. Recipes are very sensitive how thick or thin the batter combines flour/mix with milk/water, how old the leavening agent, if it's overly mixed or not enough. Electric stovetops especially require 3 to 5 minutes PRE-heating, so just putting burner on HIGH would help do anything other that create burned and raw spots.

[@hamlet1018]

Perfect pancake temperature is 375 degrees. I use a griddle so I can get the right temp. I still get too much oil on the griddle and that messes up the first set of pancakes.

[@wingerding]

​@@EconAdviserlol it's not that complicated

[@phuckpootube6231]

LOL, so it must be true.

[@Forsworcen]

Shout out to people that also watched Miniminuteman’s video on this dude!

[@ZaidrianSpiders]

He got debunked many times

[@Human_Decoy]

Yep definitely worth a watch after this video.

[@goatee21]

Favorite quote from milo so far "well color me fucking shocked!" Lol

[@kappega]

Which dude

[@goatee21]

@@kappega Graham Hancock. Miniminuteman has a whole video series on the ancient archeology series. It's great!

[@jaycenzimbeck7638]

Anyone who wants a more in depth shitting on Graham Handcock should check out Minimimuteman's multipart series on this theory, as he picks apart the Ancient Apocalypse series. Milo also has a ton of other archeology conspiracy debunking content so check him out!

[@ZaidrianSpiders]

Hes been debunked also many times

[@MidnightBitesCarly]

Miniminuteman, ăn archeologist, made a six part series debunking “Ancient Apocalypse” called “I watched ancient apocalypse so you don’t have to” if anyone wants to know more

[@shanelsmith34]

It was a great set of videos!

[@alisasandul190]

I love Miniminuteman! I've watched that series multiple times. Worth a watch for anyone who wants to see the full scale of the con that Hancock is running.

[@ZaidrianSpiders]

@@alisasandul190 thoeries arent a con, plus we can say the same bout your man

[@Bleiser3]

@@alisasandul190people saying earth is not flat back in the day were also called names, persecuted and executed. We are still not immune today to same mistakes in "mainstream science", biases and personal gain from lifetime of work that brings the established people money. It's not said for nothing that when the "old guard" of scientists dies, science can finally move forward a bit until the "new old scientists" die again and it can move forward yet again.

[@ninerealms69]

@@ZaidrianSpiders You don't understand what a theory is. Suggesting an advanced civilization with zero evidence is a baseless assertion.

[@rebeccaritchie3315]

Okay, now I’m just imagining John DeLancey in Mexico and Egypt just snapping his fingers whilst wearing a TNG era uniform…thanks, Simon. 😂

[@Loralanthalas]

I'm not there yet but so excited. I swear I saw Qs kid on a Netflix show the other day. It looked like Q if Q had ever been in the show when he was 20 and sounded exactly like him so often. It was a trip.

[@CarolineIronwill]

Yes. Blame Q. Meddling in human affairs since before written records. Damnit, Q!

[@martincann5052]

With me, it just made me think of the Larry Cohen horror movie 'Q: The Winged Serpent' where a monster believed to be Quetzalcoatl flies about New York eating people.

[@kylerocco7467]

Minutemen Archiology has a series where he goes through Grhams theroies line by line. He does a lot od pseudo archology reviews

[@resileaf9501]

Miniminuteman is a genius KZbinr, I recommend him to everyone.

[@GelthWalker1]

I agree @miniminuteman channel is great specifically taking down Graham and others

[@Loralanthalas]

Milo rocks. If I were his momma I'd be so proud of him.

[@goosenotmaverick1156]

The wife and I both love that dude, not only intelligent, but hilarious too!

[@ComedorDelrico]

Miniminuteman is a great rec for Simon's audience, who will certainly appreciate the snark-laden commentary.

[@thecrew1871]

I watch these because I really enjoy Simons commentary on the various topics.

[@glenecollins]

Predynastic Egypt doesn’t have building tech more advanced than you would expect thousands of years (>4000 years ) after Gobekli Tepe. We have gotten a fair way in the roughly 5,000 years since the beginning of the dynastic period of Egypt. If the people from the pre-existing civilisation were dedicated to restoring civilisation they really took their time

[@BingusDingus-bx1hr]

If most modern people were wiped out today and the survivors were forced to retreat to remote tribes, it would similarly take thousands, maybe even tens of thousands of years to recover

[@glenecollins]

@@BingusDingus-bx1hr if we lost the ability to make solar panels and/ or wind and geothermal power plants we probably couldn’t get back to our current energy usage per capita ever due to having used all of the easy to access petroleum and coal. That said if there were people with our current knowledge who wanted to rebuild they would know at least the basics of engineering, materials science, metallurgy chemistry and mathematics, there would be still be domesticated animals I have built a miniature copper smelter from coal, clay and sand, made steel from iron ore and charcoal coal etc, I have used arches just building garden fences.

[@BingusDingus-bx1hr]

@@glenecollins you seem to forget that everyone isnt educated in everything. In a scenario like the one we're talking about most skilled workers wouldn't survive and only a limited amount of knowledge would be able to be passed down. There's also knowledge that would be useless. What's the use of a man that can make solar panels if there's no electricians, materials, etc in the tribe the solar panel guy joined? Sure you could teach a tribe to smelt, but could anyone teach them to smelt AND to mine resources for said metalworking? Most people wouldn't and the odds someone that can survives is low. This logic applies to most modern technology that would be attempted to be passed down Now to give you the benefit of the doubt, using your smelting example again: a tribe could also learn of smelting and metal working and begin experimenting on its own with gathering metals, which would in turn lead them to 1) discover metal working way earlier than they would have and 2) if the guy that taught them the concept of smelting is still alive when they figure out gathering metals a fragment of our culture will be passed down to them when he teaches them western craftsmanship

[@pathemeleski]

The thing about massive floods existing in many different cultures, is there's no way to say it's the SAME flood. I think thats unlikely. When these people say "everything was flooded", they really mean "(almost) everything we know about was affected by the flood."

[@waraidako]

Exactly. They were cultures all formed around rivers, and they experience floods. Shocker, right? Crazy how that happens.

[@evilwelshman]

Something not really covered in the episode, and that could perhaps warrant its own episode, is the possibility of a *_pre-human_* civilisation in the millions of years the Earth has existed even since the dinosaurs. During such a timescale, many conventional evidence (e.g. buildings, plastic, etc) would have eroded away and been broken down to the point of being nearly indistinguishable from the natural environment. It is a also useful avenue of inquiry to help figure out what we should be looking for when searching for life in space (that may have likewise gone extinct). All evidence indicating a lack of a pre-human civilisation are for a *_post-industrial_* civilisation. Something on the level of Neanderthals would not be expected to leave behind such traces.

[@waynemyers2469]

If you think about it, a prehuman civilization along the lines of the neanderthals whose artifacts would have eroded away until they were indistinguishable from the natural environment would be, for all practical purposes, meaningless. If we never even know of their existence they may as well never have existed.

[@1197540k]

Something would have fossilized. Especially if they were as impactful as we are today

[@evilwelshman]

@@1197540k What if they weren't as impactful as we are today. Also, scientists estimate that only approximately 5-10% of species of animals that have existed have left fossil evidence. Meaning, we have no fossil evidence of 90 to 95% of animals that previously existed.

[@RainingAnarchy]

@@1197540kFossilization is an extremely rare process that requires specific environmental and mineral prerequisites at just the right timescale.

[@RainingAnarchy]

@@1197540kPlus any fossils that did exist would be destroyed approximately every 500 million years due to the Earth’s crust recycling down.

[@thrawn82]

The other big glaring issue with :ancient people taught the egyptians and the mayans: The Egyptians were building pyramids in 3000BCE and the Mayan were building pyramids in 300 AD

[@keres666]

remember, washing your hands before surgery was seen as ridiculous by surgeons not too long ago.

[@japanesehitler]

It did catch on ultimately though, thank god

[@Trivial_Whim]

Yeah and the guy who pioneered it pre-germ theory died locked up in an insane asylum.

[@InvincibleIrishman]

The literal definition of a false equivalency lol

[@keres666]

​@@InvincibleIrishman My point isn't that this advanced civilization guy is right, my point is that not digging further than what we know because it goes against the general accepted science of the time is kinda dumb. "Aliens" and "Ancient civilizations" are pretty obviously not the answer, however, they still exist as answers because there are still holes worth researching to find real answers... The science and history is probably not WRONG either, but there's probably more to it and we keep finding stuff that changes history all the time...

[@jelink22]

@@keres666 It takes a certain kind of willful ignorance to argue that we should not dig further than we know, IN THE FACE OF scientists around the world IN all FIELDS continuing to dig further than what they know each and every day! THAT'S WHAT SCIENTISTS DO!

[@Kitty-hj1pe]

I love Simon's brief insights into dad life. Especially during a video about the vast complexities of the universe. Burnt pancakes are good hangover remedy 👌

[@artimusofthemoon2419]

The one thing that always makes me at least tilt my head with interest with theories like this is because I have been told by teachers when i was in college that even in the scientific community if you try and go against anything that is established even if you are right you get ostracized til it becomes so overwhelming someone has to listen. it reminds me of how we know in history scientists try to give us theories and were being silenced by the church. Its hard to say if ones like this one are fully fluff or onto something because any research to look for the new means going against what the current science community wants

[@waynemyers2469]

That's why they're teachers, it's only natural that they might feel a little miffed about not rising through the ranks, besides, anyone who thinks an archaeologist wouldn't give their right nut to introduce evidence to the world or aid someone else in presenting evidence to the world of a world-wide, seafaring ice-age culture that carried knowledge to the four corners of the planet is crazy: Archaeologists have egos too, y'know.

[@Macallion]

But then you have people like Ignaz Semmelweis, whose life was basically destroyed (and then ended) for trying to get other doctors to wash their hands between patients. They're not always lunatics.

[@waynemyers2469]

@@Macallion It seems to me that the further along we get with technology the crazier doctors and scientists are getting, I mean, who in their right mind would build a bomb powerful enough to destroy a city or an artificial brain that almost certainly will kill us someday or who the f**k would manipulate viruses hoping to make them more virulent and more contagious? (I had seen a documentary about Dr. Semmelweis and his frustrating experience trying to introduce germ-theory to his peers but I did NOT know (or forgot) that his life had been destroyed or that it had ended his life...I thought he had won-out in the end...)

[@julietfischer5056]

Legitimate questions about new theories are not ostracism. Other scientists in the relevant fields examine the new theory and the work behind it, looking for problems with both, and go back to the current theories and ideas to put them under new scrutiny. Individual scientists can be total assholes, but the methods of science get the proper results.

[@julietfischer5056]

@@Macallion- He had to deal with prideful asshats, and I read that he wasn't the most diplomatic of people. No matter how much infection rates dropped and how many survived childbirth, those doctors were quite convinced that he was wrong. It took a while for the germ theory of disease to be accepted.

[@chicken2jail545]

Always make sure your pan is heated properly before cooking your first pancake. Level achieved.

[@casualgamer3689]

Well nobody had any idea about Sumer until they discovered it fairly reasonably

[@sempersteel2799]

So I've got two thoughts on the video (which was great and I enjoyed it by the way). First, I feel like Simon has a very idealized view of scientists as a group of people. Scientific knowledge is a big ship, and it pivots very very slowly. Especially amongst outsiders. For example, the Big Bang has been on the outs for years. Its almost become a "Theseus' Ship" theory as they keep modifying it to incorporate new evidence, which still isn't quite adding up. But its still considered "fact" amongst scientific outsiders rather than a hotly contested theory. Second, I find the idea that there's a great deal of lost history beneath the waves extremely plausible, because its happened near me. They recently discovered a massive Stonehenge style monument in the Great Lakes. In a place where myself and hundreds of thousands of people have been boating and swimming our whole lives. We even have a great deal of underwater divers due to the numerous shipwrecks. Yet 40 feet under us was this massive monument that actually predates Stonehenge by around 6000 years, and no one knew about it until very recently. While the stones aren't as large as Stonehenge, they're still massive (some are the size of a car) and decorated with carvings of animals native to the area.

[@lackinganame7857]

Ya I think Simon doesn't relies just how much "lab politics" scientists are involved in. Everyone needs funding so you better not have an idea that makes you the mad man or you'll get no funding.

[@petermsiegel573]

@@lackinganame7857nonsense. You have no actual clue how peer review science works, do you?

[@BreandanOCiarrai]

@@petermsiegel573 - in my experience, cliques and very un-scientific dogmatism. But what do I know? I'm just some shmuck on the internet like everyone else.

[@mejuliie]

For one, I'd caution to compare theoretical science to applied science. One relies heavily on theory and can be considered more of a thought experiment, whereas the other needs physical evidence to posit a new theory. Also, you are dismissing how far the scientists you are so easily criticizing have pushed science forward - especially in the last 100 years. There are definitely bad apples, no argument about it. But to posit that those represent the norm is just not true. Scientists, researchers, and engineers have propelled humanity forwards in ways otherwise not possible. There is a reason for that. Because science, and scientific methods, work. For every criticism about too little information in the field of archaeology there are reasons for it. Most importantly funding, but also geopolitical problems that keep archaeologists from sites, time constraints due to seasonal changes, outside interest pushing for focus on certain areas more, etc. .

[@GneissShorts]

24:46 still watching of course but I can go ahead and answer you; Pyramids are surprisingly stable structures, so naturally everyone did it because it’s what stood up longest.

[@dobermanownerforlife3902]

Storms topple tree. Not a good choice for replication. Mountains on the other hand. Let imitate those in our construction.

[@GneissShorts]

@@dobermanownerforlife3902no literally you’re right; the leap is not THAT hard 😭

[@Loralanthalas]

I was convinced when simply pouring sand: it makes a pyramid and exactly what any animal learning shelter will replicate until it can stand up its own structure. Just like termites. That old man needs not be so damn proud.

[@ComedorDelrico]

Exactly. Also, their stability makes them last a long time. Ancient cultures built all kinds of structures, but the pyramids were most likely to last the ages because, as everyone knows, the triangle is the strongest shape.

[@robertp457]

It might just be one of the few structures that could stand the test of time. There may have been many others, but those didn’t survive time.

[@industryvince4587]

Simon would not believe in aliens if he was mid gang probe on the mothership.

[@steviek6484]

Your researcher left out the erosion around the sphinx is saltwater erosion. Not just rainfall. From a time where Egypt was a literal rainforest. And you dismiss handcock because we can’t find the houses of the people who built the sphinx 12k years ago? Why would there be any houses left they didn’t live in pyramids

[@travismurtland3257]

The things that Graham Hancock ignores completely is that NONE of the pyramids are the same and that it just happens to be that pyramids are simply the easiest way to make a tall building out of rocks. He points at natural structures and people's ingenuity and says that everyone is too stupid to have done it themselves.

[@MrsGypsumFantastic]

He should stick to doing chat shows.

[@korygurman6638]

I mean if you really dig into it, he says non white civilizations were too simple to figure it out . Europeans to him are the pinnacle of brilliance in the ancient world

[@JurassicJenkins]

Has anyone done exhaustive examination of the exterior perimeter of the pyramids for trace metals or oddities. Just in case they had some man made materials or the like?

[@whateves5369]

​@korygurman6638 if you dig into it, your comprehension is lacking. No, he has never relayed that non-white civilization are to "simple" to have done that. He has always credited the civilizations and admired the work that was done.

[@travismurtland3257]

@@JurassicJenkins They used Copper or Bronze (drawing a blank which) tools to carve everything, so there's absolutely going to be traces of it in the blocks.

[@atomic3691]

To debunk the construction of pyramids as proof of this...the shape of a pyramid is simply a very easy and structurally sound method of building a tall structure. What's more, there is a very clear progression of pyramid innovations in Egypt, suggesting it was something they came to through experimentation rather than via some lost civilization's guidance.

[@nihlify]

The conspiracy theories about the pyramids is just another version of "god of the gaps" arguments.

[@kylerocco7467]

Most people don't know about the step pyramid

[@DogMechanic]

Bro, I get so wound up by people like Hancock claiming that ancient peoples were too stupid to figure out "put small thing on top of bigger thing".

[@dobermanownerforlife3902]

Because it's the shape of the mountains. The mathematical precision denotes their dedication to it.

[@michaelpurdon7032]

Literal toddlers figure it out before they can talk. Apes do it too.

[@m1ster_h597]

Id like to point out a part of that theory of lost citys is entirely possible as my mind immediately went to Troy, a city existed under Troy, and thereafter 2 more cities where built one on the other, forgetting the previous. This has been documented for quite a few other places as well! Its super fascinating!

[@AlamedanBreezyRep]

I find the linear way civilisation has progressed to be much more pecuilar. It seems that there should have been ancient civilisations that were able to do things better than we can. The fact that things just existed like they had for millions of years and then humanity just got to a point of being able to interact and mould the world around them out of nowhere at some arbitrary point in time feels even more bizarre but yet normal because this is how for all intents and purposes it actually happened.

[@jeeziss]

When Simon gave the line "and then we get all their diseases and they destroy us" the editor missed the chance to flash one frame of Lrrr from Omicron Persei 8.

[@InfiniCalendar]

WE WANT MCNEIL!!

[@elephantfordinner]

“ sounds like a guest on Joe Rogans podcast”. Yep nailed it.

[@FuncleB]

Joe Rogan, the king of the pseudo intellects.

[@reubenisaac702]

Love JRE

[@Laocoon283]

Funny cause Simon himself was a guest on the Joe Rogan podcast...

[@oats6452]

​@@Laocoon283oh ya? Which episode. Can't find it.

[@Punstripers]

Joe Rogan, the largest and most respected news source on the planet with over 4 million average viewership. Has been for a few years now, more than quadrupling the views of CNN (126k), MSNBC (747k) and Fox (564k). But sure, you know better. 🤣

[@mattball420]

Most humans: "we will never meet aliens" European humans: "fire up the gotdam rocket, that's MY land"

[@commanderdreg]

Mormon here. Some clarifying info: It is not church doctrine that Quetzalcoatl was Christ. We believe that Christ visited the America and we have record of his visiting at least one civilization. We are not sure which civilization these records pertain to, but it seems likely to many of us that he visited many civilizations which we do not have records of and that those visitations were major events that left a lasting mark on those civilization in the form of legends such as Quetzalcoatl. We definitely don’t believe he came in disguise. Representing him as a dragon would be symbolic or the twisting of events into legend. Hope this was helpful!

[@alishaw2454]

im only about 5 minutes into the video, but tbf even now we're switching more to digital documentation over physically writing things down and stuff...maybe something like that existed before and it was lost because there's no way for us to currently access pre historic tiktok? eta: also we haven't discovered a lot of the ocean so who knows what fossils and stuff are down there?

[@thomaswillard6267]

Because digital recordings have physical remains. Long after the internet collapses there will still be computers.

[@dobermanownerforlife3902]

​​@@thomaswillard6267digital recording do not survive catastrophic events. Stone is your best way to try and ensure knowledge is passed on.

[@generationxpvp]

We have been measuring the disgusting amount of microplastics and chemical waste from our own tech for almost as long as we have had the tech. We would see these signature eons back in ice core samples, ocean sediment cores etc. tf you on about a digital age we don’t know about 🤣

[@dobermanownerforlife3902]

@@generationxpvp why would you assume they discover electronics and polymers. Advanced civilization means agriculture, so they can have a civilization. You fall into the same narcissism that academia does.

[@whyjnot420]

@@dobermanownerforlife3902 Too bad you, this video and 98% of people have fallen into the trap of confusing and ultimately conflating a civilization with a society or culture. Neither of which actually need civilizations, but are required by civilizations. Basic civilization contains agriculture at the level of the bronze age. Large scale agriculture that is efficient enough to allow for a significant portion of the population to do things other than farm, is one of the cornerstones of a civilization. "Advanced" civilization has one assumption. One you have failed to make and are therefore just as bad as those you criticize. That assumption is the evolution of the mechanisms that make up a civilization and make it function, or the formation of new complex emergent systems. I.e. advancements of some sort. One of the other required elements of any civilization is writing. Therefore _ADVANCEMENTS_ on that front are... (do I even need to finish this? Yes, yes people are that bad.) Possible and indeed one of the more probable ones. This includes identifying various possible means of doing the actual recording and storing.

[@atomic3691]

My experience with pancakes is always the reverse. The first one is perfect, and it's all downhill from there.

[@saydvoncripps]

I have no problem with any pancakes. I'm trying to remember if I ever did. He said that and I'm like,...what? Blink blink.

[@Ottobon]

Similar but what i figured out as a child and proves true today is that if you rinse the pan between batches then every one turns out great, but for some this is too much work

[@goosenotmaverick1156]

Depends on the pan. Thicker bottom pans preheat and tend to burn the first one if overheated compared to desired cooking temp. Thinner ones start off preheated and cool because they don't have the necessary thermal mass to continue evenly cooking. My guess is Simon uses something like I do, with a multilayer base. It took me literally like a year to get my habits changed. 5+ years later, and a few changes in how I cook, and I have no issues with pancakes. I am guessing you're using some sort of aluminum or non stick pan for your pancakes? Just guessing from your comment. Rinsing the pan not only removes deposits from previous pancakes but also starts you from a lower temp point, too. So that may have something to do with it. I use a similar method to make sure I don't overcook fried eggs. I preheat pan, with lid. Sprinkle a decent amount of water, let it steam with the lid. Dump it out and butter my pan (goat butter, give it a crack for cooking instead of regular cow butter or oil, ignore the initial smell, I promise you'll get used to it) and cook my eggs. I'm no culinary expert, but my best friend is, we sit around and chat about this stuff often.

[@goosenotmaverick1156]

​@@saydvoncrippswhat do you cook them on? Electric or gas range in a pan, on a griddle on the stove? Electric griddle? Curiosity on the discussion of pancakes has got me 😂

[@nibblitman]

The issue is that a lot of the “evidence” in ancient civ is stuff like “it’s all aligned to 2 degrees off of north pointing toward X far away. “ The issue is do we know they meant to do that? If things happen to line up it doesn’t mean anything unless we know they tried to do that. Like you can make a Bermuda Triangle in a bunch of places that have heavy travel activity it doesn’t mean they are all alien spots.

[@Flashkoch]

So, I was just pointing out that your writer made a mistake, because there is a scientific paper out about Gunung Padang. Please do your research, it is very easy to find and not hidden, it is a scientific publication. It would be nice if you correct your mistakes.

[@JeremyDN]

That would be KZbin deleting it. You can’t post links in the comments.

[@muzza2096]

You should delete this comment.

[@Flashkoch]

@@JeremyDN Ah, ok, thank you, I had no clue about that.

[@Flashkoch]

@@muzza2096 It's still true that some of the informations they used are wrong and not true. Don't you think they should know that?

[@muzza2096]

@@Flashkoch but you’re accusing them of something they didn’t do

[@IshtheStomach]

Boncuklu Tarla, and Karahan Tepe Two sites also in Turkey which point to further large scale construction and seem to share a relationship with Gobekli Tepe My personal bias, I want to believe Graham Hancock. But I also recognize that he makes some pretty wild leaps. Matt does a great job of pointing out both the more compelling points and the glaring holes. I do wish he would have addressed the two sites I bring up-perhaps largely because I was surprised to recently learn of them and I'm sure for one of these scripts he would have researched them more deeply than the cursory google searches I've done after hearing of them. To be fair, their discovery is more recent than that of Gobekli Tepe.

[@GelthWalker1]

Miniminuteman covers them

[@IshtheStomach]

@@GelthWalker1 thanks for the tip... watching now

[@GelthWalker1]

@IshtheStomach you're welcome enjoy his channel great for watching rabbit hole

[@astreaward6651]

World of Antiquity (Dr. David Miano) has an excellent video addressed to Hancock that goes over all of the current evidence that Hancock doesn't know about or refuses to acknowledge. Here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/imrEeWShhr1pmpYsi=gGRVQy1dVVAV_b3m Dr. Miano's other videos are awesome too, but that one in particular should be required viewing for anyone interested in Gobekli Tepe and Karahan Tepe and possible relationships between sites in that region. I love Miniminuteman too, but if a hardcore Hancock believer is going to question their beliefs, Milo isn't the one to send them to. I love the smartassery and snark, but they probably don't appreciate it lol

[@M1ggins]

@@astreaward6651 None of the conspiracy shills can acknowledge Miano, to do so would be to admit they are wrong, and that would end their income from it.

[@mattferrigno9750]

Not sure why you didnt mention the findings of Göbeklitepe which is dated around 10,000BC or the other many tepe's found nearby in Turkey.

[@TehCanadian]

Or any other works that make some of Graham's speculations much less speculatory. Such as Randall Carlson's.

[@brianleightoniii5501]

I burst out laughing when they dropped the name Graham Hancock, that guy's the Alex Jones of archeology

[@fearlessfosdick160]

More like the Erich Von Daniken.

[@LordMarcus]

If there were an advanced civilization that preceded us, we would DEFINITELY have found the hallmarks of its industrial revolution. It's not very likely they're gonna skip right over hydrocarbons in the economic development cycle.

[@J_Z913]

Don't forget that there would be genetic & agricultural evidence too! If there's two things humans like to do, it's reproduce and eat. 😂

[@RainingAnarchy]

The hydrocarbons would be blended and indistinguishable from background once subduction occurred. Looking at humanity’s span scale compared to how old the Earth is it is pure insanity to think intelligent life started and exploded with humans. Until humans leave Earth and actually explore the solar system our knowledge is theorized based on a constantly recycled system of rock and carbon from Earth’s crust.

[@julietfischer5056]

Unless they were at a level equivalent to the Greek, Roman, Persian, Meso-American, South American, and ancient Asian civilizations. Which is more probable than atomic power or even internal-combustion engines.

[@NestoftheSun]

Also why couldn't they? Just because our technology went down that path doesn't mean that others would have. That's what the entire steampunk genre is about. You being unable to imagine it doesn't mean that it's impossible.

[@NestoftheSun]

You're even assuming that they had economic development, they could have started as an egalitarian society like Star Trek and continued that way until their end.

[@harjutapa]

For the curious with a lot of time on their hands, multiple trained archaeologists and historians on KZbin have shown exactly how dubious every single claim Graham Hancock has ever made has been. Archaeosoup, Archaeology Tube, miniminuteman, scholagladiatoria (yes, sword guy is a trained archaeologist), Stefan Milo, and probably many others I don't know about have all released videos, often multi-hour videos, calmly (mostly, miniminuteman gets heated at times) and thoroughly debunking everything Hancock says. Miniminuteman especially goes into excruciating detail exposing every individual point of Hancock's recent show "Ancient Apocalypse" as baseless hypothesis or outright lying, episode by episode. He's also entertaining and my personal recommendation to start with. Modern archaeology is methodical, with any claim requiring solid evidence before even being considered by the larger community, and the more disruptive the claim is to the established (by mounds of verified evidence) archaeological record, the better the evidence required. Hancock's bs rests on utter claptrap.

[@justinvann3084]

Just so we're clear it's the Dolphin over lords they were and still are the most advance civilization.

[@drizzit2424]

Studies have shown that high heat and pressure can fossilize material so fast that it is indistinguishable from dinosaur bones. I.E we don't know how long dinosaur actually went exstinct.

[@jelink22]

Show us those studies, or STFU.

[@arcady0]

If there was advanced civilization on Earth in the past for some reason they never dug up and moved around large amounts of minerals or fossil fuels, they never developed plastics, and they never put anything in orbit... that these things are all where they should be from planet formation and geological events until we started messing with them recently makes me highly suspect that anyone was around before hand.

[@ChaseSchleich]

I think you're thinking of "advanced" as far more advanced than the term intends. Advanced civilization doesn't mean cars and space flight. It means they knew about farming, had written language, studied the stars, had advanced mathematics, and good building techniques. Compare a civilization like that to cavemen. One is far more advanced than the other. As for minerals, if there were 100,000 people in that advanced civilization, they wouldn't have dug up enough minerals for us to notice over 10,000 years later. It wouldn't be like today where we've got 8 billion people and our mining areas would remain obvious for a very long time in the future because of how much we've dug and altered things. If people who could read, write, farm, build, create/use advanced tools, tell time, use math, and the stars came to a group of cavemen and started teaching them, those cavemen may consider them gods. Those cavemen would go from wandering, crudely painting on cave walls, hunting, and gathering to building settlements, farming, building structures, etc... That's a very sudden jump from one way of life to another and they'd want to tell their story to future generations. That story being these "gods" showing up and teaching us everything we now know.

[@balazsvarga1823]

@@ChaseSchleich Yeah. Hancock maybe right in an advanced civilisation that was iron age, compared to cavemen. But still pre industrial, or we would have found mining traces, coal burn traces in ice cores, etc.

[@TehCanadian]

Noah's flood (and other religions that speak of a world altering flood) are perfect examples. They all depict an apocalyptic flood, which if one were to compare various texts & evidence, that in reality occurred worldwide. All cultures have various tales, whether religious or not, that speak of various events in the past. We of modern society just can't seem to accept that. Also, as ChaseSchleic said, advanced doesn't specifically mean technology wise. It could be respect towards the planet and nature. Evidently they were, especially compared to now, more advanced when it came to memory given that before the written word was created information had to be passed via memory and word of mouth. Among other examples that are far more impressive than what many focus on. Simple fact is for a culture to be advanced it doesn't mean they have to be in regards to technology. Look at the various peoples who live secluded from the modern world, I guarantee they have much more respect for nature than we do & better odds of surviving after potential catastophic events than those in modern civilization. They simply have more advanced knowledge when it comes to survival, hunting and gathering, and anything else such peoples would need to know. While modern culture is severely lacking in those aspects.

[@justinsmith4562]

How do you know they never tapped into minerals? How do you know they never had plastic, steel or anything else. Say it was 20,000 years ago, all that stuff would have vanished, satellites would have fallen out of orbit.

[@Uldihaa]

Just want to point out that 'written history' is not the same as 'unknown history'. We have permanent structures discovered at place like Göbekli Tepe, dated to 9700 BCE; and those are just what has been unearthed. There are other still-buried sub-sites to examine. And another near-by site is even older. We might lack details, but we still have at least a rough idea of that history. Why did it take so long? Because the world ain't friendly and human life is short when you have limited tools to survive and no time to spend working to understand the world around you enough to make new tools in order to manipulate both the environment and thus their chances of survival. Being nomads does not lend itself to scientific observation and study. There were probably hundreds, possibly thousands, of humans that could have advanced human civilization. They just died before that happened, or the changes they did make didn't propagate for any number of reasons including the nomadic lifestyle. And Graham Handcock is a 'journalist' with not formal training in archaeology and whose pet theories have been soundly debunked by actual archaeologists. The comet impact theory is stupid on its face. _Impacts don't cause warming, they cause _*_cooling_*_ due to the ejecta of the impact blocking sunlight._ Just because some scientists believe it's possible does not make it so. Especially when those scientists get such fundamentals wrong.

[@colejosephalexanderkashay683]

The theory goes that the comet hit the north American ice sheet, imparting most of its thermal and kinetic energy into it. Thus the heating

[@christianrobinson5857]

The first pancake issue is the fact you don't let the butter and pan itself to get to the same proper heat if you mix the pancake mix and start the pan to heat, you need to wait approximately 15 minutes to wait till the butter begins to sizzle and then drop the batter in. It's assenine I had the same problem till I learned the benefits of patience. Every first pancake being a monster now all my pancakes are uniform...and I miss the stand out...

[@TheLegPumpkin]

It's great that Simon nailed who Graham Hancock was and how Joe Rogan made him famous bit by bit on his own.

[@jshakes1806]

I have been a Hancock debunker since the early 2000s. He is now winning because in order to argue with him successfully, you need to be very well versed in history and archaeological methods of obtaining data. Layman's like his fantasy history. I even find his shows and books entertaining, just mainly untrue.

[@justinsmith4562]

Stop being so jealous.

[@jshakes1806]

@@justinsmith4562Stop believing in fantasy.

[@Nefville]

I was babysitting my nephew a while back and he's 2 years old. We were playing with blocks and Legos and he decided to make a structure that would stand on its own. It was a pyramid of course, a shape which distributes and supports the structure's height via its width. As far as I know he's not an alien nor was he contacted by an alien. No ancient knowledge was passed down, except from myself of course. Its a logical way to build, that's all. No mystery.

[@zoeye7095]

I mentioned a similar situation to someone who was going on and on about aliens and pyramids. I babysat a kid years before and was there from about 6 months until well after the early building blocks phase. One of the first structures the little boy learned to make was a pyramid like structure while I was usually playing with the blocks too and building more ornate temple like structures, at least until he knocked my temples down, laughing at the imaginary worshipers running for their little lives (I would narrate the destruction and the impact on the people while he laughed). When I pointed out the child's natural progression with blocks, they got mad and stormed off. Lol! Back then I didn't know about all the early pyramids where the Egyptians learned how to make pyramids with educated trial and error. I would imagine there are other similar progressions with other cultures that make massive pyramids. They either aren't well know, or perhaps not discovered yet.

[@willorr1494]

they keep the sky up,,,,, um dont they

[@TRIPPMUZIKPAGE]

A child building pyramids out of playing blocks isn't even close to the complexity of existing pyramids that have been discovered all over the world. Some more mysterious than others. Do some research about the pyramids in Egypt and let me know if that child built structures as complex from the inside out. And we're talking blocks that weigh many tons, carried great distances, and stacked to great heights!

[@randallbesch2424]

The Egyptian pyramids have actually 8 sides.

[@dereksollows9783]

I would have a more serious look at the alien in your home! :)

[@sdstarr01]

There are several early pyramids in Egypt that collapsed while being built at Meidum. There is a pyramid - called the bent pyramid - that was started at the wrong angle and changed halfway through construction once the builders realized they had messed up. It's easy to follow the process of developing the skills needed to build the great pyramids in Egypt through a process of trial and error over a period of centuries. It is SO CLEAR that the Egyptians were very smart and taught themselves how to build pyramids with no outside help that I find other theories pretty silly.

[@TehCanadian]

I'd personally love to see what you can find on what some papers/people/etc think about Randall Carlson's work. Both because of the evidence he's gained & found throughout his years of field work, and how that knowledge can logically tie into some of Graham's speculations. Not all, but some for sure.

[@Mikej1592]

I always had the opposite problem with pancakes, my first one is perfect but while cooking it the pan gets too hot so the ones after that perfect first one the rest end up getting burnt. I learned the best way to cook them by slowly heating the skillet so it is able to maintain that perfect temperature for much longer so all of my pancakes end up identical. Hardest part is not cranking up the burner to heat up faster, the key is patience.

[@EterPuralis]

What, you make the pan slightly hotter to start, then you bring the temperature down 😅

[@cultistsash]

He said Graham Hancock and I knew we were in for some shit.

[@williamwilkins8037]

What's wild is when you look at the timeline for some of our predecessor species that we know of, some had survived as a species for over a million years!

[@ThirtytwoJ]

I think makes way more sense, and theres much more that wasnt included. The stone at several sites is either massive or cut with insane precision.

[@_moondream]

If people enjoy Simon's skeptical take on these things, I recommend miniminuteman's KZbin series where he analyses every episode of Graham Hancock's Ancient Apocalypse and absolutely rips it to shreds. I must admit when I watched the netflix series I was drawn in by Hancock's storytelling ability in the same way Simon was initially here. It's not until someone points out that for every cherry picked piece of "evidence", there is a pile of facts he's leaving out. Miniminuteman even talks to one of the scientists that Hancock interviews in the show, and he reveals that he was misled on the nature of the interview and his words were heavily edited and taken out of context to support Hancock's argument. To me, that's enough evidence to discredit Hancock, as exciting as his theories may be. Oh and Hancock thinks Atlantis is in the Bahamas because there's a stretch of natural rock that kinda looks like a road going into the ocean.

[@GelthWalker1]

The multi part series Milo dropped on that was pure bliss

[@astreaward6651]

Dr. David Miano's channel "World of Antiquity" is wonderful too. He doesn't bring the snark like Milo does, though lol

[@Flyguy9]

Milo sucks lol

[@mikekeating]

The blue hole in a reef off of Belize was just explored for the first time. They found caves with stalactites over 20 meters down. Stalactites can not form underwater. Therefore, at one point, those caves were above water.

[@jelink22]

Ja? Und? It's a long-known fact that oceans rose tens of meters when the glaciers melted at the end of the Ice Age.

[@ryantusmc]

I've looked at a lot of different details concerning possibilities of the ancient past, especially humans. While I'm not a scientist, I have listened to ones of various fields like archeology and geology and many have agreed that within roughly 500,000 years time it'd be almost impossible to find remnants of a prior civilization. Structures break down and eventually vanish without repair/care. While a prior civilization could have been more advanced than humans, we'd probably never know, especially if their body structure resembled ours to a degree. I consider another species, or a very early human ancestor possibly, to be most likely because we've been pretty accurate so far as to the genome history and relations of many of our ancestors so far. As a side consideration; It's pretty rare to find fossil remains of large creatures, especially remnants of humans. Conditions have to be pretty optimal to ensure preservation, and even then only fragments of a whole body are found usually. Pretty positive I read an article once about how there's only 1 full t-rex skeleton that we've ever found, and all others are mostly built by plaster replication to complete the skeleton. Oceanic creatures work a little different because many had shells which from my understanding are more dense than bones and that leads to their fossils being the most common. I see an ancient intelligent species as being pretty possible. Like you said; we know mere fragments of the entire planets past, a lot of it is led by speculation and theories (not saying either of which are wrong, just think it's possible they're not entirely right. Lot of people in those fields are more educated that I am in their expertise, just stating what I've theorized myself). At the very least I'd say there is/has been way more intelligent life in the universe than we currently could ever have assumed.

[@jerelull9629]

Simon, you're so fun to watch, even if I'm not entirely interested in the subject. BTW, good luck on this new channel.

[@an0mndr]

I grew up watching the history Channel with my dad. Regardless of what they turned into, I still credit them with fueling my curiosity about history. Even if alot of their current shows are blatant cash grabs that don't accomplish anything besides muddying the waters

[@J_Z913]

Same. Back in the day, History Channel was basically only about our least favorite mustache man. Now it's all aliens and pawn shops.

[@orwellboy1958]

There was a 'great flood' in the North Sea that drowned Doggerland and created the English channel however this was caused by a huge mudslide under the sea off the coast of Norway. In my humble opinion there were lots of 'great floods' through world history. Also why do historians focus so much on the Great Pyramids when Stonehenge up to 1000 years older, the sheer size of this monument proves that people were able to come together without having huge city's.

[@RealSkoolmaster]

When Stonehenge was being built, there was a monument in Scotland so old that they wouldn't have known why it was built. When it was being built, gobekli tepe had already been built, used, buried, and forgotten. In terms of ancient structures, Stonehenge is middle of the pack

[@whoarewe7515]

​@@RealSkoolmasterand The Boyne Valley Mounds at Newgrange Ireland

[@valolafson6035]

I wonder if racism plays a part there. It's accepted that ancient White people could make a cool thing. But ancient Brown people raises questions.

[@RealSkoolmaster]

@@valolafson6035 congratulations! You have won the "most asinine comment of the week" award!

[@aremoreequal]

It appears that the Mayans looked like they knew what they were doing on the first attempt, but we don't have the history to show all their failed attempts. For one thing, when the Europeans got here (like The Spanish) they burned the Native American's books! The few books we have left are because a few monks rebelled and hid them. We burned their history and then say, "They have no history, that's insane!" And how many histories were burned by other humans throughout history. The Library of Alexandria comes to mind.

[@user-qz3yw2eh4g]

Crows can share abstract knowledge with each other. It’s been proven experimentally.

[@KhrZygarde]

As a regular consumer of miniminuteman's (Aka Milo Rossi) content Graham Hancock is well trodden to me.

[@Flyguy9]

Well yeah, hateful people make hateful viewers. Its easy to win an argument against a video that can’t respond to criticism

[@KingXulthaar]

You should get a cookie.

[@TheSlizzer348]

We’ve definitely got more than 5000 years of our history documented right? That recorded history began 5000 years ago is fucking NUTS

[@nihlify]

Depends on what you mean by documented. We have cave paintings much older than that.

[@gregbors8364]

There may have been written records dating farther back than that but at this time we don’t know of any. If they did exist they likely were destroyed by natural processes or we simply haven’t discovered them yet.

[@joshuahadams]

Writing as we know it is that old, but evidence of culture is thousands of years older than that.

[@mikekavanaugh1348]

I believe the kish tablet is the oldest document we have and it’s from like 3500 bc-ish

[@whyjnot420]

We have things that can inform what we call history, when there is no actual history to find in and of itself. These are things like archeological interpretation and documentation of sites, more varied dating methods (for even more separate lines of inquiry) of various stuff (archaeomagnetic dating is my favorite, dating the last time a fire was lit by looking at what it recorded the magnetic signature of the earth to be, more or less when stuff gets really hot, it forgets whatever the magnetic field was are it gets reset to that time. Basically works like dendrochronology, but with magnetic fields and kilns and things like that which get really really hot). Reinterpretation of past finds and sites in light of newer methods or ways of thinking. Even anthropological approaches that try to equate modern "primitive" societies with those of the distant past. Commonly people will call all of this stuff "history". They are fact not part of the discipline of history. They inform the interpretation of history and history informs them. The key is that you need proper documentation of events for something to qualify as being part of the discipline of history itself. A cave painting is not such documentation any more than an Edward Hopper painting is "documentation" of movie theaters or US Route 6 in Cape Cod.

[@stinkbomb212]

I am very skeptical about many things surrounding pre-established history, but keeping a guarded open mind is key to finding truth. I’ve read Graham Hancock’s book ‘Finger Prints of the Gods’. His book does offer some very interesting insights and information, so of which I have come across before in talking with local inhabitants that had told me similar things, additional it is well established that good idea will appear at other locations despite no interaction between cultures; but cultural stories and art work should not be convergent unless their is contact between groups or share a common origin. Much of what is discussed in his book is about the convergence of these cultural traditions which indicates our ancestors were more capable of travel than previously believed. It is also well established that many civilizations have built on top of earlier groups, especially if conquered; this reuse of land and structure and culture makes it difficult to accurately date these sites and muddies the timely of the region. Some of the best evidence showing the travel of ancient humans is by tracing genetic information. There is also supporting evidence of these sites being mistaken for more recent cultures when looking at their celestial alignment, not all sites are built to match celestial alignments, but many are and when they are out of alignment then math can be applied to determine an approximate time of construction. I am not saying all of what Graham has to say is well founded, but there are particular ideas that he discusses which have mounting evidence to support it. Human history is far more rich than believed and even more interesting is the developing image of the other species of human and their own history. There is mounting evidence that suggest that suggests that a few of these other species which have not been traditionally viewed as being intelligent, lived much more complex and rich lives than we ever believed; to include tool use, building construction, clothing and traditions and even agriculture. I do believe that Graham is wrong about the anthropological community, though the world of academia is very dogmatic, they do change when evidence surpasses the threshold of deniability and no other alternative explanations. It is true though that for a great deal of time this particular field was plagued with three big problems; 1. It largely had its establishment by scholarly explorers that had no idea what they were doing in the field of anthropology. This has been established by how they excavated sites, made wildly inaccurate assumptions based on their own opinion instead of proper training, and even disturbing sites to the point that it is not possible to identify specific time periods or loss of artifacts. 2. For a stretch of several centuries, history was locked, meaning that any discovery had to fit in the already defined historical narrative. This has changed periodically over time as there has been allowances to include new discoveries and this largely be done by who has power at the time. The most recent period of extreme dogma was following the period world explorers in the early 20th century, late 19th. 3. The largest problem at this point is financial backing and trained anthropologists. Simply put there isn’t enough of both to examine everything to the degree that it deserves. Simply, keep an open mind and don’t discount or believe everything you read and do your own research. This all is also coming from another internet stranger (internet anthropologist, not really I just find it interesting) who has just as limited access to knowledge as you.

[@Dc-alpha]

More advanced than we currently "think", sure. As or slightly more advanced than we "think" we are in some ways, possible though not that near to plausible. So advanced the pyramids were power plants, landing pads or Nike factories, so unlikely as to essentially be impossible. No amount of skewed perception or cherry picked evidence gets you there. That said, I'll be the first to laugh with joy if they get that plant going, we see that platform in action or Nefertiti's air max make an appearance.

[@eddyguizonde401]

Nefertiti's air max sounds like a great name for a hip hop parody album

[@markjazyk3934]

Hancock's theory honestly sounds more like Tolkien than actual science. Just replace his dwindling, knowledge-spreading civilization with the Elves, the cataclysmic comet with the Wars among the Valar, and the ancient ruins sunken beneath the oceans with Beleriand. Add in the concept of histories lost to deep time, and you basically have a good part of 'The Silmarillion'

[@rayceeya8659]

The thing about the Silurian Hypothesis is that it's NOT supposed to be serious. It's a thought experiment. If it happened, what would it look like? We looked around and were like "Nope, zip zilch zero, nada." But the thing is it got people thinking about what WE are leaving behind. If all humans disappeared tomorrow and left everything behind, our signature will probably be easily detected out to at least 100 million years.

[@julianbailey2749]

If any precursor human civilisation existed then they did not advance to a very high level of technology. If they had any metal technology at all then they would have been either quarrying rock or mining ore and thus leaving evidence behind of their activities that would survive through to the modern era even if their habitation sites had been completely destroyed by later events. Also there would be a noticeable genetic shift in any animals and plants that they had domesticated and this would leave markers that could still be discovered in a post civilisation hunter-gatherer culture within the same geographical location.

[@ignitionfrn2223]

6:25 - Chapter 1 - Setting the stage 11:25 - Chapter 2 - Graham hancock 16:05 - Chapter 3 - Is it possible ? 22:15 - Chapter 4 - Gods among men 28:25 - Chapter 5 - Explaining the gap 43:00 - Chapter 6 - The silurians

[@brianlhughes]

I think you could argue that there was a civilization that had iron tools but the tech was lost and fell back to the bronze age. If you look carefully at all of the stonework in Egypt the quality of work seems to be much better the older the work is. We are told by prominent archeologists that ancient Egyptians only had bronze and few one off iron tools made from meteorite fragments found in the desert.

[@megaflamer]

Egypt was indeed more advanced during the bronze age, the thing is that even though it survived the bronze age collapse it was never really the same afterward. The great civilizations that existed back then were all dependent on trade with each other to maintain their high level of technology and way of life. As its trade partners for vital resources vanished Egypt had to make do with whatever they could obtain on their own. Thus the decline. Honestly the entire bronze age is basically the 'precursor civilization' that Graham was looking for, they had access to a high standard of living, public libraries, public officials and many more things you might associate with modern day. Heck, the same thing happened around the time of the romans and the subsequent decline after the empire collapsed

[@Loralanthalas]

No it doesn't. If you new anything about thr early Egyptian empire including the step and bent pyramids you'd never say such a thing.

[@Loralanthalas]

Even bother to look at the crowns.

[@waynemyers2469]

It's a modern myth that the older ruins are more advanced than the newer ones: You can start in the Pre-Dynastic era of rectangular, above-ground, mud-brick family tombs (Mastabas), to two and three story mud-brick tombs with underground burial chambers to more complex stone family tombs with a network of individual chambers to the first mud-brick pyramids of several evolving styles (bent pyramid, red pyramid, etc.) and finally the fully formed stone-block pyramids of the Giza plateau culminating in the Great Pyramid of Cheops or Khufu. People like Graham Hancock are disingenuous liars and hucksters who profit everytime you buy into their bullshit.