Was This View Condemned at the 5th Ecumenical Council, The 2nd Council of Constantinople?

[@GregS4Jesus]

For such a massively important subject it is so rare to find any teaching on the supposed rejection and condemnation of the teaching of Christian Universalism.

[@JohnChaffeeTalks]

It rather tells us something, doesn’t it? Perhaps it isn’t as fringe as we were originally taught!

[@martyb4108]

There are so many holes in your arguments. Why wasn't Gregory of Nyssa condemned as a hieratic? Because he didn't create the belief. It was always pinned as Origen's belief. When they condemned Arianism, they condemned Arius. They didn't condemn others who held to his view because they way they do it is condemn the source. Plus with Gregory, there are two things. His univeralistic beliefs weren't his main beliefs he spoke on. It was a side belief. But the most pivotal thing about Gregory was that towards the end of his life, He began to contradict is old beliefs on Universalism in his third book. The thing is, you guys keep reaching for things that don't exist. The argument you made was that there was no formal writing on the council. Let's just use a little common sense from it. Did they start believing in unversalism after it??? No.... Of course not. Nobody did after that. So the lie that gets peddled was that people did believe it, but there was no scholarship at all proving that any them after that council held to Origen's beliefs. It wasn't preached at all.

[@JohnChaffeeTalks]

Thank you, Marty. However, I never said I believed in universalism or that anyone else did from Christian history. The whole series of videos I made talks about the restoration (Acts 3), reconciliation (Col. 1), and renewal of all (Matt. 19). I invite you to read George MacDonald (whom CS Lewis considered a mentor), Dostoevsky, Isaac of Nineveh, Julian of Norwich, Athanasius of Alexandria, Irenaeus of Lyons, and Maximus the Confessor. You may be surprised by what you read from these figures we often call “the saints of the Church.” Not forget Jesus’ own words in John 12, “When the I am lifted up, I will draw/drag/persuade all people to myself.”

[@martyb4108]

@@JohnChaffeeTalks C'mon, don't do the semantics thing. 25 years ago, Christians who believed that all would go to heaven called themselves Universalists. Now it's just repackaged differently with new words and new labels. You all use the same arguments, you just use the Greek word, "Apokatastasis" as if it sounds more legitimate. Every Christian believes in "Apokatastasis", but like any belief or theology, it's how it is interpreted. To a believer who thinks all will go to heaven, they see "All" universally and to the ones who believe some will go to heaven, they see "All" within a framework. Why do they see it all in a framework? Because of what other scriptures say to help create that framework. If There was only one verse in the bible and that verse was the verse that talked about how "all things" will be reconciled, then it would make sense to see the word "All" as being universal. John 12, has always been interpreted as if Jesus is shown to people, He will be able to draw them. It was never viewed as an automatic to all people. And how do we know that? Because we know all were not drawn to Jesus even when he was lifted up because we have the book of Acts and Jesus was talked about and still rejected by pharisees. Paul was the only one who came over. The rest didn't and were judged like Jesus said they would be in Matt 23 in 70 AD and the fall of Jerusalem.