Watches with Low Resale Prices with High Quality Movements

[@SuperRoach007]

Love coming here to get educated, learn about new watches every time.

[@watchartsci]

Hey Finsup! Great having you drop by! Take care, Bill

[@HRM.H]

Roger Dubuis's microrotor movements are always something special.

[@watchartsci]

RD's movements, even after all these years, are still among the best, HRM. Take care, Bill

[@lordsothful]

Really cool to see you highlight these somewhat more under the radar pieces! Keep it up!

[@watchartsci]

Thanks! I'm glad you're enjoying the video, Ben! Take care, Bill

[@AbdulRWatches]

Awesome picks Bill, one can always find these hidden gems with a bit of research and hunting.

[@Chiller11]

The Roger Dubuis is a stunner, both sides of the thing. I’m also fond of JLC as a didn’t quite make the big three but I’ll make the movements for them kind of brand.

[@watchartsci]

Even though the RDs are 'Big Boys' they wear like smaller watches and run like the Geneva Seal watches they are, Chiller. Take care, Bill

[@NazzBharaca]

A Big ‘Thumbs Up’ for another informative video!

[@Javi_C]

I’m a sucker for art deco pieces, and that Roger Dubuis is extraordinary! Thanks for sharing with us Dr.!

[@watchartsci]

It’s a great watch, Javi. It's also a great example to get watches that you love to wear, not for resale. It's a little pricey. Take care, Bill

[@weezkidtube]

JLC perpetually under appreciated.

[@watchartsci]

And that may be a very good thing for us collectors, Weezkid! Take care, Bill

[@JohnDoe-ub8fq]

They make great pieces, BUT for some reason, they were all about: how many pieces can use for a movement. More is not better. They need more service, than most, because of all the parts.

[@johnk.l.5518]

Great video Bill, thanks! Really helpful for those that haven't quite understood value vs. price. My RD La Monegasque is such a stunner, and a permanent fixture in my collection. It also just fits on my 6.5 inch wrist. The Chopard 1937 is definitely on my radar, and has been for a little while. All the best!

[@TimG--]

Another great 😊 one ! Thank you Bill 🥃🏌🏽‍♂️

[@watchartsci]

You're welcome Tim ! Glad you enjoyed it. Take care, Bill

[@pardus8panthera5]

Hi Bill, bit late with the Merry Christmas, but ahead of the N Hemisphere in regards to Happy New Years. Your depth of knowledge and generosity in sharing it is just wonderful. Look forward to 2025 following you and your posts. Cheers, George.

[@watchartsci]

You too, Pardus! Enjoy 2025, take care, Bill

[@dinkobrcic]

Love the content. Thank you for what you do. Just a small note on the La Monegasque example, the movement shown is the one found in their chronographs, the piece showcased has a different movement, without the microrotor.

[@watchartsci]

Rats! Sorry I screwed that up, Dinko. Thanks for letting me know. Take care, Bill

[@911euro5]

Nice video,Bill. That LU Chopard is really classy!

[@watchartsci]

Without the Tire-Tread band, it will be even more so, 911 Euro~. Take care, Bill

[@johnm2178]

I really enjoyed this one. I always wonder who and the cost to service these fine movements.

[@watchartsci]

It's a good question, John! I'm not sure I've heard of many of these in the shops for service. Take care, Bill

[@richardbartlett6932]

The Faberge is a nice looking watch.

[@watchartsci]

I think we sometimes discount the value of top jewelry makers like Fabergé, Richard. Of course, I quite agree with you! Take care, Bill

[@killeraudiofile8094]

The Roger Dubuis is fascinating, but I can't find a small seconds model (pictured in your presentation) with the microrotor movement--I only see them on the chronograph variation. Is there a specific line of the small seconds that used the microrotor movement pictured?

[@watchartsci]

Thanks to you Killer, I had to put out a correction video! (kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHKziZ-eh9hmiNE) I had the wrong RD moment showing! And one with chronograph pushers! What a maroon! Take care, Bill

[@killeraudiofile8094]

@ thanks a lot for your work and time! Always love learning more about these fascinating pieces from your videos, it’s my first stop when I want to learn about watches that punch far above their weight class when it comes to pricing. Cheers!

[@Fortgeorge67]

I like the Chopard 🎉

[@watchartsci]

Another good choice James! Take care, Bill

[@markm.2194]

great video

[@watchartsci]

Hey Mark, thanks man. Take care, Bill

[@donculp9094]

Hi Bill, This is a great video . I'd buy them all if I wasn't watch broke as well. My anylist told me to stop buying watches. I no longer have an anylist. Happy New Year Bill.

[@watchartsci]

Well, looks to me like you dropping your analyst, was a great horological choice, Don. Take care, Bill

[@IDF4TW3501]

The ML106 manufacture chronograph movement was developed by Alain Pourchet and Michel Vermot. Andreas Strehler participated in the movement design

[@xpdchief7698]

Great video Bill! If I didn't have my Montblanc Star GMT World Time I would take a more serious look at the Jaeger -LeCoultre. I also like the Faberge and the Armin Strom, but my favorite is the L.U.Chopard 1937. I have one on a Chopard bracelet and I love it. I agree with you, the strap on the 1937 in the video should be replaced with leather strap. The tire strap does nothing for the 1937, but I think it looks great on the Mille Miglia. Best regards, Brian

[@watchartsci]

It turns out that that Fabergé has an ETA movement; not the Frédéric Piguet I thought. Beneath the Imperial Eagle on the back, you can just see the ETA logo and '2892A2'-. Still a nice watch, but not worth $6,499. That Armin Strom was the Best Buy of the lot and it got snatched up! The Choppard is my favorite 'hidden gem.' A lot of collectors will see the tire-tread band and be turned off. Those are the kinds of things I look for-bad straps, poor photos and ignorant sellers. Take care, Bill

[@xpdchief7698]

@@watchartsci Exactly, you have to pick it up for a good price, pay a few hundred dollars for a nice strap, and you'll have a fantastic watch that looks great! Best regards, Brian

[@johncopeland3826]

What about Sekonda watches chief ...do you own any ..how do you rate those kettles ?

[@watchartsci]

Aren't they quartz watches, John? Take care, Bill

[@johncopeland3826]

@watchartsci jeepers ..so they are ..silly me !

[@jeffreyb.1657]

Should have put grand seiko here too.

[@watchartsci]

Yes, Seiko and GS are low-resale good buys, Jeff. Take care, Bill

[@amgc1978]

I’m curious about your thoughts on the Chronoswiss, Campanola , RGM and Christiaan v.d. Klaauw

[@watchartsci]

Amgc: 1. Chronoswiss-mixed feeling about their movement. 2. Carnpanola-like their mechanical line; essentially they're by Citizen watch (who own La Joux Perret) who make standard horology movements-their prices are all over the map. Would suggest finding a Citizen brand watch that closely resembles a Campanula first. 3. RGM-A wide variety of movements-find a movement you like and then a model. I like the Corps of Engineer models. 4. Christiaan v.d. Klaaw. Conflicted about this brand. Had a Ceres 1974 and it had a cheap ETA movement and a very poor moon setting, and one of the most beautiful designs I've ever had. They have some beautiful watches, and astronomical modules-but details about their movements are vague and unclear.

[@jb-hw9if]

The Fabergé Bill, is this really a Piguet movement, the photo on Federico's site shows it as a 2892A2 albeit with Fabergé rotor. I know your Fabergé has a Piguet, is it ETA based too or are yours and this Fabergé equipped with different movements?

[@watchartsci]

No it's not JB.I know it's a Frédéric Piguet 1150 or 1160 , but I believe you may be confusing the FP movement with Piaget watch movements and they're not related. I have no idea how you came up with the ETA base-it's not the base. Check out this link: reference.grail-watch.com/?s=Frédéric+Piguet+1150 Nothing related to ETA. Please explain how you reached your conclusion-I'd be interested. Take care, Bill

[@jb-hw9if]

Hi, the Fabergé with blue dial at Delray has a photo of the case back, which is an exhibition case back, simply look at that photo, zoom in and there is an ETA symbol with 2892A2 next to it. Your Fabergé obviously is not the same movement as this and I'm sure is the FP you mention. But in your video you said the blue dial at Delray was a FP movement, but it can't be based on that photo.

[@watchartsci]

@@jb-hw9if Good grief!~ You are right JB! I had done a similar close search on my caliber F1857 and decided that my Fabergé Alexei would have the same movement as the Agathon sans the date. I was wrong! That Agathon has a pure and simple ETA 2892-A2; no Frédéric Piguet at all!! Thanks for your good eyes and insight. Bill

[@jb-hw9if]

Just looking at that link Bill, but there is no reference on Delray that the watch they have has a FP.. I'm sure your Fabergé does. So yeah, from the pictures at Delray their Fabergé had the ETA. I've been looking for a Fabergé since you bought yours. You did a video showing it and I then looked at the watch on chrono24, but you bought it!!

[@watchartsci]

@@jb-hw9if Lately, I've bought no watches. I had a similar thing happen with a Christiaan van Der Klaaw- ETA movement while they implied it was a Sopped A10 (fitted with Seiko's first attempt at HH.)

[@andreasd6857]

Hi Bill, i always love those videos showing the hidden gems 👌😁 Best wishes Andreas!

[@watchartsci]

Glad you like them, Andreas. I enjoy making them! Take care, Bill

[@patsmith3894]

I wish I saw this video before I started buying watches.

[@watchartsci]

Well Pat, at least you saw it before you buy your next watch! Take care, Bill

[@rugbywatchesgaming4048]

I've always felt that the quality return on a 30k + watch over a 5-10k is negligible if at all tangible. Which this video confirms in spades

[@BenNS1971]

Great watches, Bill. Cheers!

[@watchartsci]

Hey Ben, thanks man! Take care, Bill

[@Fortgeorge67]

Hi Bill I like the Ralph Lauren Stirrup XL chronograph with a distinct case shape with a JLC movement called RL 750 beautiful watch

[@watchartsci]

It’s a great piece that's overlooked, James! Take care, Bill

[@nizarmurar]

By the way Bill ,You wondered why Armin Strom and Faberge and M.L and similar others do not maintain value, it is very simple psychological issue : it is called "Croud Psychology " . I call it Herd behavior after the youtubers. Nizar

[@watchartsci]

Nizar, they "maintain value"-they's never lost. They simply do not maintain the MSRP price-a great thing for collectors! Take care, Bill

[@nizarmurar]

Dear Bill What is your opinion on the Maurice lacroux triple retrograde? .very affordable price . Thanks and happy new year. With love and appreciation Nizar

[@watchartsci]

Hi Nizar, I have a ML with the Jaquet 736 movement and I think it's a great value. Take care, Bill

[@wysiwyg2489]

The Chopard MSRP is $9,700.

[@watchartsci]

Hey Wiz-E-Wig! There may be more than one MSRP at different times, but thanks for the update. Take care, Bill

[@wysiwyg2489]

@@watchartsci Hi Bill, that MSRP was from the Chopard website today.

[@johnparnell8571]

The unconventional layout of the dial on the Armin Strom Manual Air is an acquired taste. Hence that may be a determining factor in its resale value.

[@watchartsci]

Who are you going to buy it for, John? Yourself, who has refined tasted and appreciated the horology; Or some clump who'd rather have a Swatch? Take care, Bill

[@climatecypher]

Where's that Roger dubuis offered??

[@watchartsci]

I saw it at Chrono24, Michael. It's still there. Take care, Bill

[@MARKO2465]

Thanks as always upvoted

[@watchartsci]

You're welcome, Mark, appreciate the support! Take care, Bill

[@vovasRomas]

GLC on Delray has such a low price because it has no box nor papers, same for Faberge

[@killsbugsfastreallfast]

This dealer had listed a watch without papers. After looking into it, it was stolen. Manufacturer verified this.

[@watchartsci]

Vovas, as long as I have faith in the dealership only selling genuine watches, I don't worry about papers or cases. It shouldn't bother you with reputable sellers. Take care, Bill

[@vovasRomas]

@@watchartsci That may be so, when you are buying the watch, but when you decide to sell, well, good luck with that. Also, if the watch doesn't have a box or papers, that means previous owner didn't care much for it or in the worst case the watch might even be stolen. Some time ago I came across a video, a guy brought 1976 Rolex Daytona to the dealer. It had box, papers, and the records of all the services performed every 5 to 7 years. That's the watch I'd want to buy. I mean, when you buy a car, you demand a CARFAX report at the minimum from a dealer. Even better, if they have service records. Why the watch should be any different? A lot of them cost more then a car.

[@watchartsci]

@@vovasRomas First, I've had no problems selling watches with no papers or boxes, nor have I had problems buying watches with neither-they've been fine. So as far as your "good luck" with that admonition, it looks like you may lack some experience along those lines. Second, a lot of buyers are concerned about fakes if no papers are available. What's easier to fake? A paper document or a watch? Take care, Bill

[@watchartsci]

@@vovasRomas Had I not just sold a watch for almost 10x what I paid for it (that had neither papers nor box), you "good luck" would have not been what you think. While it's nice to have original papers and boxes, you will pass up some great deals and finds. Papers are easily forged and replacement watch cases are easily replaced. Likewise some fantastic deals are from owners who are not collectors and never considered keeping the papers and boxes. Seriously, learn about horology, and you won't need to rely on papers, and if you have a watch case for your collection, the boxes just end up as clutter in a closet. Take care, Bill

[@nigelbarker8726]

Cabochon carbuncle.

[@watchartsci]

That carbuncle relate to what Nigel? Let me know. Take care, Bill

[@nigelbarker8726]

@@watchartsci I was just amused that you referred to the cabochon as a carbuncle.

[@watchartsci]

@@nigelbarker8726 I have a lifetime hearing loss and I mispronounce and misuse a lot of words. C'est la vie. Take care, Bill

[@nigelbarker8726]

@@watchartsci Ah! I understand now. But don't stop, I think your little malapropisms are quite endearing.

[@watchartsci]

@@nigelbarker8726 I would stop if I could...

[@nimeshdhokia6139]

Pls do a piece on 37-39mm watches with micro-rotors

[@watchartsci]

I'll see what I can find Minesh. Take care, Bill

[@MadMan-cp6tn]

Too bad all those watches are far too big for a smaller wrist.

[@watchartsci]

I agree MadMan. In part, the larger sizes may be why they have not sold and have dropped the prices. Take care, Bill