Watching BRONZE PLAYERS and then COPYING their strategies! - Episode 7

Watching Bronze players and then copying their strategies (Live on 1-June-2024)
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[@Bobbyrambles]

Honestly, these bronze league heroes videos are some of the best new content in a minute.

[@manchovieclemmons2380]

Agreed, i love these

[@seethroughlife1481]

Agreed, we see it quite a lot for sc2 but for wc3 it is quite rare to see low level play, and it’s quite unique and fun!

[@CalciumChief]

It's just the nature of entertainment. There's only so much milage you can get out of pro games. Lowko's done these "low tier" in SC2 game commentaries for a while (not sure if he still does). Only difference he had people send him replays, which is a neat idea for this series too.

[@shibizzen9175]

I’d still lose to them.

[@Bobbyrambles]

@@shibizzen9175 saaaame lol

[@sophiaperennis2360]

After becoming a master at WC3, it was only natural that Grubby's next step should be to become the worst player.

[@marijansimon9788]

Nah I'm the worst player, don't worry about that xD

[@TheAssOfEternity]

@@marijansimon9788 Best protect that crown, king. Grubby's comin' for it.

[@oscara1573]

"This strategy is amazing. We created a monster." Yeah, his name was frankenshtei (or something like that)

[@DyonisX]

Frankenstein was the scientist not the monster

[@anomanomom239]

​@@DyonisXthat is the point

[@Torenhire]

I really appreciate you finding the humor in some of the silliness but also talking about the things the players are doing well. It's fun and not just a roast-fest when it would be too easy to thrash on them.

[@kontrolk3]

These are great. Would love to see you do this at various MMR levels and see what patterns emerge at each. At what level do players stop sitting in base to regen? When do they start paying attention to upkeep? Would be a cool series and would help players at all levels

[@jakuboledzki6499]

This

[@bartoszbryczkowski569]

I love this series, please keep posting everyday! Not only it's very entertaining but also highly educational for new/bad/returning players. Best of both worlds

[@Xarick]

As a whopping 680 mmr player, my builds are usually from the w3 gym guides and simply pooly executed :D they finish at around T2 then i dont know what to do, panic and lose. xD Or i feel brave go TC opener and immedietly lose to harras. :D

[@drakonli]

Ignore the haters, keep up the grind (c) someone on the internet it's sad that dudes try to shame players. wc3 is a hard game and requires a lot of skills and time. A person can be "bad" at the game, but there are so many reasons for that.

[@algumnomeaihehe]

​@@drakonliare the haters in the room with you right now?

[@drakonli]

@@algumnomeaihehe start making sense or don't reply

[@DarkflameEmperor]

A nice evolution of the bronze series. After years of min maxing, meta has become the bane of my enjoyment of games. So these kind of videos are treasures as my love of WC3 is being reimagined.

[@trunnellstaverntales6228]

This is such good content. Seeing the meta builds repeatedly starts to lose some of that creative charm I love about the game. This takes the open and innovative creativity new players have while learning the game, and then streamlines it to show what the potential of it is. Who knows, maybe there's a wild and unpredictable idea out there that could even crack the high level players who are atrophied into meta builds.

[@Kastorex]

Tbf the meta builds mostly lose to themselves 😂

[@coyote992]

grubby has become frankenshtei's monster

[@thomasberry328]

Frankenstein walked so that we may all fly.

[@joaquinsandoval5370]

"Frankenshtei is creating a monster". Here I am at 1:53 in the morning bursting out laughing 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@garagavia]

This series made me open Warcraft 3 for the first time in a while, and play a game against the computer. Really enjoyable, maybe I'll try playing on ladder to contribute to the Bronze variety hour

[@Ketooey]

There's something so funny about Grubby reading the tooltips.

[@saintblackwater7213]

The Frankenstein Special (Strat) has been born in the year of our lord 2024 xD

[@Arbeta10000]

1:40 To be fair, as far as I'm aware, it doesn't say anywhere when loading the map that it's always cross-positions. You'd have to learn it and then remember it to not have to scout

[@cosmicbard6998]

Despite me being very uninvolved with the competitive scene of WC3 (cus basically all of my investment was in the custom content, as well as the single player challenge runs), I genuinely love this. The thing I'm really starting to notice about the PvP side of this game is just how much room there is for innovation, as you always have a ton of options, and a great majority of them are at least somewhat viable, or at the bare minimum, playable (compared to, say, a League or DotA character, where you'll only have a very tiny sample of specific items/builds that wouldn't be considered outright griefing, at least by most players). Point being, there's a great potential for creativity in this game, and I think it's cool to bring in some lower elo perspectives, since we've already seen the high elo staples quite a lot. So I really hope we'll get to see more players like this cyan human. While they might not have been the greatest of players, they still came up with something that's interesting, fun, unique, and actually somewhat logical.... well, mostly. It's a neat idea, and neat ideas are what keeps games so fun and engaging. And this one even won..... somehow. So yeah, even more props to this madlad!

[@ngsteve2173]

I don't know about you guys but watching Grub play the same strat as a bronze in a professional level just reminds me how good these pro players really are.

[@ZugzugZugzugson]

i've been a bronze league heroes fan since husky was casting starcraft 2 games in bronze league. its so charming and fun to watch. you simply don't get this value from watching the pro scene, which can be fun in its own way too.

[@timmiller8671]

You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become Frankenshtein.

[@drtaint]

Reminds me of the Low ELO Legends series. Basically a guy casts replays of basement ELO players in AoE2, and it's great because the strategies are insane. Love this style of content Grubby!

[@reflectionofself570]

That demon hunter death sound mimic was spot on at 31:39

[@ryoannazuk949]

27:23 - "Remember, leave your griffins when tinker runs" lmfao, copying this strategy to the T! 😆

[@abqjackal_beard241]

This is an incredible series, please keep doing these. I'm learning more about warcraft than ever before, thanks to these bronze heroes.

[@attention_shopping]

it's honestly the best RTS to watch low level play -- because heroes are fun and it's less of a X, or Y has more stuff -- much more counter and imbalance

[@demander599]

I love how the Night Elf player sees a Gryphon rush and says, you know what I need to produce now? Bears. Grubby is right when he says these low level players just copy high level strats without knowing why they're doing them.

[@mathiask.2333]

Here is an idea for some good content. After like 20 Videos of bronze league you could analyse what the average player lacks and what should they focus on. If you move then to silver league you could repeat that and people see whats the difference between them (better build orders, real creep routes or just macroing better)

[@steak5599]

I am loving this series so Far. Grubby disecting all the Bronze League Strategy and make it work, somehow...

[@Grimbago]

Wow, more of these please! This is pure awesomeness!

[@swobu4567]

"These are the lowest MMR players I've ever watched, right after my brother."

[@mushroomfarm1773]

Thanks for your positive statements @19:00 . Really appreciate your attitude!

[@SwordSaint892]

I like this idea a lot, especially better if you do adapt your build order to be a little more practical. Very fun to watch a newbie idea turn into a more refined strategy.

[@SuperiorYamcha]

Grubby's voice and his constant clicking is the best ASMR on KZbin

[@BeRobko]

On my first few LANs in W3, we had just the big gym rented for everyone to sleep there :D But we were told before :)

[@Sonadourge]

Honestly at low ratings I'm surprised people even scout. Because you lose out on resources from sending the worker but what are they even gonna do with the info, is it really gonna change their strategy?

[@michaelk9080]

This, imo spices up this series perfectly. Watching them be bad is hard, but seeing you adapt it is awesome.

[@STisis]

I don't know about anyone else, but knowing SeGaL irl I found the story comedy gold!

[@Evil_Aakash]

After witnessing players who rage quit when they are countered just once.. i repect the persistence they got despite of their below average gameplay..

[@Lucius_Chiaraviglio]

A final touch would be to build a Barracks to get Animal War Training (would especially help against Panda breath).

[@liviuursegr]

Grunt: singing "I need a hero"

[@Louciferrr]

These videos plus commentary are super entertaining love the content man you’re the best!

[@RealDral]

Damn, now I wanted to finally play WC3 again.. cant find my old cd and key..

[@bofpwet9500]

I did, played ai for a while, now trying to play at fast speed and get used to it before I go try online again, I went and lost two games in like 2 min, but i feel stressed anxious and unready like it would be a real boxing match to the death. xd

[@imnotgivingmynametoamachine683]

@@bofpwet9500 Its so weird to be anxious when there is nothing on the line but I'm like that too. I think I'm afraid of my own negativity and self esteem loss since there is nobody else to be even embarrassed by and its all anonymous :D

[@frankinshtein]

hey!) it was my game. I'm frankinshtei

[@dukecoldreaver]

idea for Melon, not mr. Grubby: (this is actually insane and if you actually do this I would feel bad): the goal is to level up in the enemies face as many times as possible. I don't play a lot of wc3 so idk how many times could be possible, but i would assume by pre-killing all the creeps to 1 hp and then having a unit go 1 hit them all over the map. it would be funny to me. either do the creeps with a levelled hero and then make a new hero that's top of level 1 and then do it or just with your starter hero. would be great

[@david18cruz1989]

Man in game name is frankenstein, playing tinker and he even wins? Man was roleplaying

[@bofpwet9500]

0:38 loving it already!

[@TheSerezo]

That was absolutely amazing. Watching again!

[@georgetselios5794]

Listening to a story that I already knew about SeGaL brings a smile to my face.

[@Arbeta10000]

26:10 I do wear-ah tights!

[@CalciumChief]

34:09 A Frankinshtei's monster?

[@DivineAtheistWannabe]

Was anybody able to find out what that Panda was doing during his absence? I'm so curious. I can only imagine that he was travelling to his creep camps to level up? But he kept going to the ones already finished by Grubby?

[@nickolaszuerg8015]

What about using mechanical critters for agressive strategies? Like creepjack enemy first and than tp near his base with staff on mech critter and kill some workers

[@Elandrianthetrue]

oh hell yes now this format of going somewhere really interesting

[@fabilichusaquaman4263]

That was a new cool strat" Thinker is a beast :D

[@arbuz135]

ahah new meta this is very fun, thank you!

[@JJmanUkulele]

Wow, who knew that gun powder doesn't upgrade griffin hammers.. Next, you're gonna tell me that gunpowder and steel plating aren't the upgrades for steam tanks? :P

[@lefter700]

You shoyld do this more. Much more enjotable than just watchung the replays. Cheers!

[@StoicismMovement]

This actually makes me want to play cause this is my skill bracket, might have to install now…

[@flamerollerx01]

People sometimes forget that wc3 is super complex. These bronze players probably have no idea why they don't win. I'm bad at the game too, I just do not understand why I lose so much. In my case though, I don't have any desire to play any matches. I play the campaign and that's it.

[@Bethos1247-Arne]

thing with Bronze League Heroes is, they try. Then don't just execute what they now, they still have the fire in them and still ENJOY the game. Like Starcraft, Warcraft is a game which can be enjoyed at any level.

[@SpaghettiNoob]

I saw tinker on thumbnail and clicked! My favorite hero!!

[@nawhz6292]

its true bro. people closest to you will hurt you most. well said.

[@user-ct2dj4bg6s]

This panda is my 3rd position brewmaster sitting on the lane having the best time of his life for 20 minutes. And I know this panda his me.

[@kwstarasgr8408]

Can you use hotkeys for hero items except for numpad ones? I'm talking both for wc3 and wc3 champions

[@joonaslaitinen3195]

Have to try to get good at ffa again. Used to be quite good ffa player back in 2004 or something. Fav build was dh, griffin riders + talons. Gotta see if still viable.

[@user-ob1sb1wf5p]

Good stuff not trashing teh noobz Its fine to play comp just for fun!

[@Celialuena]

Just a thought, would it make sense to pretend to create a hero on altar if you go tavern hero before you can buy it, just so like in this game the opponent would think you would do a different strategy? Or is this such a small thing its not worth?

[@grafd7467]

So he did gonpowder upgrade to be able to rifle switch in case orc will build magic imune driads

[@moyo2850]

I used to do something just like this in 4v4, tinker only hu fast expo creep to 3 then harass bases.

[@chrishayes4166]

"See ya nerds" 🤣🤣🤣

[@Bethos1247-Arne]

Grubtor Steelheart .... or Stealheart? Because this nerd steals my heart.

[@EkzamRA]

Loosing a peasant for an enemy grunt..... Sounds like a very good trade :3

[@robinkid9769]

these bronze games are the best new content ever

[@alekseizaitsev58]

Best strategy from the very best player

[@zeeduardo9408]

IT'S ALIVE

[@AVI-axe]

Do one more with this strat, please)

[@burnsalot2292]

man got me out here playing my heart out trying to get good enough to be grass

[@geluflamma6896]

This "why do they play w3c if they're bad" guy casted volcano on my ass. And I think my ass is a building, because the damage factor was quite high. The MMR ladder system exists to match similar level players. No matter how good/bad you are, you will get ~50% win rate at some point. You won't win more when you get a higher MMR. Quite the opposite, it requires more effort to keep up with your current winrate. (with some exceptions like low total player count or pro gamer skill level). When you climb the ladder, you have to learn meta build orders and strats which you won't necessarily like. Or you can ignore it and stay at your current MMR. There's no simple answer in my opinion. If you enjoy competitive gameplay, improving your skill level, higher MMR meta, or just big numbers you might consider going the obvious road of MMR climbing. If you enjoy chill and unpredictable games, creativity, or thinking more, you may like playing without looking up build orders/strategies. I had ~4000 SC2 MMR with meta builds. I played a macro Terran with some cheese strats (~33% of games). The game quickly became boring and repetitive, despite the MMR climb. Before I looked up the strats I had ~3000 MMR and I could play ANYTHING. Like I could mass almost any Terran unit within a certain timing and win. Creating dumb strategies and executing them was insanely fun. My advice for newbie players is: "Don't copy pro players' build orders right at the start. Decide for yourself what is better for you first. Playing bad is sometimes a lot more fun than playing good."

[@zukuu]

This copying is amazing!

[@ViO-dj4vw]

Ending with 1425 health lol

[@indridcipher8355]

Played my first game in over a decade last night. My water elemental got purged by creeps. Footies died. Guy shows up at my base with FS and 3 grunts... Not great 👍

[@den.utarbaev]

In the late stage you could reskill to rockets imo

[@legn7324]

YEA MAN I have been waiting for this!

[@dissraps]

Grubby got intimidated by a manlet got damn

[@goldiegolderman1842]

*DIRT LEAGUE HEROES!*

[@zachariastsampasidis8880]

Just go beastmaster and a few footies and it's suddenly fairly valid to go for fast gryphons

[@Zeniwutang]

Very entertaining! Bronze for the win!!!

[@fedirkryvyi]

Can you put storm shield on griffins so that they damage each other when they clump up, or it doesn’t work like that?

[@tudorserban111]

Can't be cast on air units.

[@hobit7585]

Frankestei created a 💀

[@dorkporkknobslob9918]

Why didn’t you scout the red camp

[@felipearias5622]

More bronze league heroes!!!

[@stephengalland]

I dont know how there are players this bad at a 20 year old game. Its actually a head scratcher

[@tengentopka727]

I just purchased the game and how come I'm against 5k mmr players. they literally have 5086 or something number on their profile

[@Concerned452]

Time to purposefully drop to bronze league and play weird strats guys.

[@jro.o4646]

Hi! The ladder is from Blizzard or from WCchampions?

[@Monnisti]

This is champions

[@UniverseBlend-qg6zy]

Wcchanpions u cannot spectate other player games on blizzard ladder

[@davidsnedden4796]

Rookie game spectated from wc3. Grubby game was as Melon on Blizzard servers.

[@user-jl2ye1mc5v]

Loved it.

[@smithykong]

Gold player laughing at bronze for being bad with no self awareness of the chasm between them and master. My takeaway is everyone is bad. Just play at the level you play, improve at your rate and have fun.

[@asw654]

Realistically they both should have lost. 😭

[@CutleryChips]

0-2 gryphons 🤫

[@aurorasun-qs1pg]

They're both 40 food at 12min in. Pretty weak armies!