Watching Shadiversity Desperately Try To Defend AI Art (he fails)

[@Don-Scrima]

Not watching the video, but nice thumbnail. Bye.

[@westsidetyler]

Ty

[@ZelphTheWebmancer]

I have seen people announce their departure from a channel, which is fine, but departure of not even watching it? What is even the point?

[@umbraemilitos]

​@@westsidetylerHe must think he's a plane at an airport that needs to announce his departure...

[@Patrick-xg4zk]

Awe someone got theys feelings hurt

[@Gloomdrake]

@@ZelphTheWebmancer the thumbnail was just that good

[@lady_draguliana784]

his note about how ridiculous it would be if he joined a stock image site, but then had to verify every image on it before commercial use is... well I'm taking college art classes and... whooo buddy do I have news for him! (that's EXACTLY what you have to do it's considered industry standard procedure)

[@westsidetyler]

Licensure and attribution are things they've never heard of lol

[@OlgaZuccati]

"Slow down bro! I didn't knew the mickey mouse pic that came with my free stock image zip file was actually copyrighted, I was duped as much as Disney was!" -Shadiversity

[@farrex0]

Same I work as an artist for videogames, and whenever we need images and even use inspiration of anything we need to be sure of where we are taking from, and if we have the proper permission to use it commercially. Even, even if we modify the image. And even if we have proper permissions, we still have to modify the image. We are reminded yearly about how important it is to be diligent in this respect. And even then, the company has gotten into trouble TWICE for just one single image in each separate case. I mean I get it, it is so tedious that it sounds absurd from anyone that doesn't work in the art industry. But it really is like that.

[@Mick0Mania]

@@farrex0 I think a huge chunk of people who don't see AI image generation as infringement, are misinformed about how copyright and image use works in general. Even people from within the industry has said to me things like "How is it different from using a google search result as background for your art?" and I'm standing there bewildered that they don't understand image use ethics or about how lucky they are that they didn't get the company they were working for in trouble.

[@teslashark]

I outsource at a documentary place, I hate Pathe and Alamy with a passion

[@Circurose]

Them: AI will allow ANYONE to do art!!! Also them: AI IS HARD. I AM BETTER AND SPENT HOURS ON THIS!

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

Pretty much. And yet they call artists entitled, greedy people with no legit competitio.n

[@MrBell-iq3sm]

Yes, because in this economy, buying paper and pencils is so expensive. Or using a 3D model program for free. AI will absolutely help the little man to be creative, Shady.

[@TheSpeep]

Anyone CAN do art tho. No AI necessary. You just need a brain, a cool idea, and some practice. And if drawing isnt for you, maybe try another artform! Music is cool too, or photography, dance, or writing. None of those require any especially exspensive or complicated equipment to get started, you just gotta try, theres so many options, and theyre all great. But what makes them great is the effort and thought that goes into them, and AI just cant do that.

[@GAHAHAHH]

The tool allows anyone to play the game it doesn't allow everyone to win the game. There is no paradox here, there is no self contradiction and there is no inconsistent logic. Both statements can be true, your comment is not the rebuttal you think it is.

[@Circurose]

@@GAHAHAHH ok thanks for your input.

[@adrianwerner1982]

The sad thing is that even though it's so fucking obvious, Shad fails to grasp what makes Jazza so popular - the main attraction of his channel is showing the process, the work and effort that goes into every piece, not just parading the end result

[@hexaldecima6839]

When Jazza made the 3D pokemon and even made a card game tabletop (not a product) for themselves to enjoy, it made me confirm Jazza is the artist's artist.

[@Pixie桜]

He has a wonderful personality too😊

[@utes5532]

I wonder if Shad is jealous of Jazza

[@canalsincontenido]

I need to correct you on a point. Disney does not own copyright on Mickey Mouse in Paraguay because some dude stole it before they could register it.

[@westsidetyler]

Fuck yeah Paraguay 🇵🇾

[@valeriaaraujo9962]

That's great lol One more reason for me to visit Paraguay someday

[@Tentegen]

An absolute fkin heathen lives in Paraguay. Does he accept beers as a token of respect and admiration?

[@Kuhmuhnistische_Partei]

Not just a dude, a company called Mickey, they sell sugar and spices and all that and they use Mickey Mouses head as their logo, because they copyrighted the head in profile before Disney did it, Disney just copyrighted the figure from the front. But that company only holds that copyright in gastronomy, so Disney can still use it in all other areas. And also just for Paraguay, which means Mickey can't export any products.

[@cyruscrompton8221]

WOOO celebrating this comment now that mickey mouse is in public domain‼ ehhh steam boat willy mickey mouse is public

[@alipacc]

I used to watch him for his sword stuff and deep dives into fighting techniques and I was so genuinely shocked to see this from him and also find out Jazza is his brother too, like this whole trajectory was wild, I'm just watching this go down eyes wide open.

[@GuardianSpirits13]

JAZZA IS HIS BROTHER??????? WHAT THE FUCK?????

[@alipacc]

@@GuardianSpirits13 yeah, I had the same reaction

[@abmong]

It's Cringy AF. Jazza was trying to tell him his art wasn't up to par, but he was having none of it, Shad obviously has some delusions.

[@KrazyKaiser]

Honestly, a sword nerd turning into a chud isn't that surprising. Not that sword nerds are all destined to be chuds, just that that hobby overwhelmingly attracts those kinds of people. The most surprising part for me was finding out Jazza is his brother lmao.

[@KrazyKaiser]

@@GuardianSpirits13 Literally me 👆

[@williamwest3594]

I read or saw or heard elsewhere something like the following: "Making" so-called AI art is the same process as commissioning said piece from an artist. If I commission you to draw me a bust, I sure as hell don't turn around and call myself an artist as a result.

[@lady_draguliana784]

perfect summary 👍

[@davidstar2362]

but I did not... I SAID DIGITAL EDITOR and I am cool with that.

[@davidstar2362]

I dont need the title of Artist I LOVE DIGITAL ART COMMISSIONER. SO KICK ROCKS!!!

[@Nihil847]

Great analogy

[@syaondri]

Except you don't even pay the artist with AI arts

[@stefangobert8448]

As an artist, I have never felt the urge to tell people I 'have an artistic eye'.

[@joeschmoe3815]

Yeah, because you're normal. Congratulations on that! You're a dying breed.

[@AsaFrog-bx7xy]

I never went to college. But I have a full understanding of the law when it comes to creating things. My Highschool teacher had this really fun and interesting semester where everyone in the art class was to make a company. We were given something our company sells at random. We had to create a logo, advertising, a slogan, the whole thing. Now, what made this really interesting was if someone ripped off your logo or a piece of a real logo or anything from any existing company. A law suit would happen. The teacher was the judge and would see if you had grounds for the suit. If you did, to the court room we went. (He had 2 class rooms) Each person could represent themselves of hire someone. (we had fake money we all started with. Losing it with having to pay people and gaining revenue for each person that thought what we did was cool and would be a “purchaser”.) Random people selected for the jury and the rest would be people attending the proceedings. If you lost, you had to start the company from the ground up. If you won, then that was that. We were also allowed to get permission from the actual companies if we could use something from them in our fake company. Which if you had that, then the law suit would have been thrown out. It was really fun. He did this because he was a professional artist and in a band IRL and he wanted us to have a clear understanding of how the law works for creative people. Even if you had no idea a certain company existed and you made something that looked similar didn’t mean anything in court. It was a lesson he wanted to give us to protect us if anyone wanted to pursue something in the creative field or starting up your own business. That is something I feel so many people should go through to understand how copyright law works. Because so many people don’t understand how it works at all. They just go off about fair use and public domain and not knowing what any of that actually means and what fair use means. Especially when it comes to art and writing.

[@JepMZ]

Thank you so much for sharing that. That sounds incredibly fun and a way better experience learning about our copyrights than merely googling and directly reading the laws itself. I don't quite get how the law suit play comes up. Is that element of copyright infringement not defined at the beginning of the project so it comes as a surprise later and you can't attempt to avoid it in the first place? So creative

[@dataportdoll]

10:08 Knowing now HOW MUCH child SA is in Shad's book....this line hits different.

[@dummyyogurt5375]

what a degenerate

[@avlaenamnell6994]

because its a barely disguised fetish

[@ElectricFencer]

This

[@froggycolouring]

He has a book?

[@robotsix6268]

@@dataportdoll wtf

[@scarletsabre8383]

I actually asked Brandon Sanderson the "how do you come up with your stories" question at a book signing years ago, because I was nervous, and he gave me a fantastic answer - "I try and write the kind of stories that I would want to read.", which is literally the "fuck it, I'll do it myself" mentality people should have when it comes to bad or disappointing fiction I was also such a dork that when I apologised for being nervous, he said "Don't be nervous, you pay my salary", and I responded with "I feel I don't pay you nearly enough" xD

[@fanime1]

That's sweet and relatable. I actually got into film and art because of that philosophy, which I noticed set me out from my classmates. A lot of them just wanted to be the next Tarantino. I have my own inspirations but I also knew I wanted to be my own filmmaker. I'll learn what I like and change what I don't and my teachers really appreciated that.

[@stevbe1723]

That reminds me of Hidetaka Miyazaki (Director at From Soft) who said a similar thing, he just tries to make games he himself would enjoy

[@PauseFilms]

@@fanime1Funny enough is that Tarantino says this line all the time. “I make movies that I want to see, but haven’t been made yet.”

[@lady_draguliana784]

Shad boots up Starfield, uses the sliders in the character creator, then claims the result is fully and wholly his totally original art, all the pro artists whose assets were modified slightly by the sliders do not factor into it at all...

[@RedRattt]

Shad boots up Starfield and sees the word "pronoun" in character creation and has an anurism because of transgenders in games.

[@lady_draguliana784]

@@RedRattt 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kidchuckle]

oh thats a bit sad.

[@UberNoodle]

​​@@RedRattt imagine being his family. He must be absolutely insufferable. His wife is either pretending to be interested in yet another disturbingly sexual AI picture of her as a superhero or mediaeval damsel, or she's listening to him rant and rave about his various woke boogeyman. But she can't divorce him because their church would excommunicate her and her life would be ruined.

[@awandererfromys1680]

Imagine designing a character so "original" it was Rule 34'ed fifteen years ago...

[@gregthepeglegpregdreg]

Shad taking L's has become one of my favourite pass times as of late, every time I see him cope over AI "art" all I can think of is that GTA guitar guy meme where he's all "you're just mad cause I'll be able to do something with my fuckin guitar and hands that you'll never be able to achieve in your entire life kid, so yeah you're gay." No one can convince me that Shad is not mad that there are people (namely his brother) that are able to do something with their hands and a pencil that he will never be able to achieve if he keeps of this mediocrity of not actually trying.

[@sirbilliam3455]

I think it may actually be jealousy that Jazza has worked hard to achieve what he has with his art. Shad is the older brother and probably feels a hit to his ego that he doesn't have something his brother does.

[@bealotcoolerifyoudid7217]

@@sirbilliam3455 and also his ego being this overinflated and cuddled by surrounding yesterday man that every slight push back has him hysterically defending . It is funny to watch.

[@kidchuckle]

it's weird. Ive never heard anyone so insecure say "artistic eye"...so much. None of my favourite artists or artist friends need to say artist or artistic eye... every 5 mins. thanks for doing this commentary. I dont think I could have gotten through the source material with out you.

[@l_am_a_cookie7055]

I've never even heard that saying and I'm an artist

[@CrniWuk]

That's because a lot of us artists are actually pretty insecure. Not all of us. But many. Sometimes I wish there wasn't this "artistic eye" that always tells me what's fucking wrong with my stuff all the time and I would just finish the stuff instead of spending hours of reworking till it meets the standards of my "artistic eye".

[@kidchuckle]

@@CrniWuk yeah i think its ok to be insecure. and be transparent about it. But when someone says "my artistic eye" in a way that makes someone less than them. i think thats not called for. i think the way he says it.. it inflates his ego.

[@Tentegen]

​@@CrniWukI am one of the small minority that is actually extremely confident with my skill. I have a slight ego I do admit. But wanna know why I don't run around snobbishly open mouth farting about my "artistic eye???" ......BECAUSE THATS NOT HOW YOU MAKE FKIN FRIENDS. I strongly feel social media destroys new artists confidence nowdays. When I was growing up, it was still wack ass dial up and stranger danger internet warnings that was the norm, so that culminated to a young me not uploading art on the internet until highschool. Up until then, I would make art. People around me told me it was good. So........that made me feel good. and with that I was driven to keep getting better because I WANTED to get better. deviantArt both helped and killed a part of me and my love for art......but by that time, I was already so good it didn't destroy me. Just my desire to share like I did. Shad is not a true artist. Even though I FEEL bad ass.....I compare my personality to Goku when it comes to other artists. I used to say this character from the game Sonic Riders, Jet the Hawk was my spirit animal.......but after some time i realized........he was a shitty friend and not a nice person to be around. He is egotistical....but I am not. So, I eventually realized Goku is how I see others with my same love for my hobby. Goku KNOWS hes very skilled. ......but if he sees another fighter of ANY skill set, he is RIGHT THERE giddy as a clown, wanting to immediately involve this other person in the thing he has immense passion for. The person could be a newbie that could want to learn boxing for their health. His goofy ass will be right there to teach them anything and everything he knows. I don't hesitate to want to help other struggling artists. On the drop of a hat, I will immediately humble myself and go so far as to not share much of my own work if others I notice aren't at my same skill level. This is because my constant fear is making someone so upset if they see what I make, that they give up forever. That shit murders me on the inside. But I can't help but to wanna share art talk with them. I've even had chances to do art contests with a group of friends........but i always jump to judge because i just can't bear to do the whole "punching down" thing. Artists........TRUE ARTISTS.....LOOOOVE to share. We prioritize sharing. I fkin don't know why. A grand majority of us don't lord over each other. We aren't royalty......we love to raise others up. We make tutorials... We make bases... We make mock ups.. We give advice, top 10s, best and worse, and so on. But what a grand majority of us DONT DO is talk about how good we are. Those that are worth their salt understand this unwritten rule with our very soul. And this is purely and singularilly because we are thinking of the insecure new artists and how we would feel coming into the space and seeing nothing but faceless skillful titans looming over us. Shad doesn't. Shad is insecure so hes puffing up his chest in some fruitless attempt to seem better than his brother. ......where as Jazza....that "skilled titan" has been kneeling down, taking new artists by the hands all these years with his youtube channel and guiding them to be better artists.

[@PaladinHD]

Acting like he has the Sharingan while not noticing the countless errors in the "finished" product is so priceless.

[@arkorat3239]

A friend of mine constantly ironically mentions his "artistic eye". So hearing Shad use that phrase; messes me up greatly.

[@lady_draguliana784]

Kyle Hill has a great piece about Predictive/Large Language models. ChatGPT doesn't even use letters and words, it's assigns numbers to them and an opaque algorithm (that even the devs don't understand, it's a literal "black box") arranges based on statistics...

[@Nerobyrne]

yeah, the only real problem is that many of the early collections of images that machine learning was applied to contained a lot of stolen material. Which is bad, but people are out here acting like the CONCEPT of AI image generation is stealing the butter from their bread 🤔

[@UberNoodle]

I would not be surprised to find out that Shad used chat GPT to write his novel if not entirely but in part. His novel is just kind of cliched, banal, unsophisticated and childish writing you would expect from chat GPT. Very similar to the AI art he creates.

[@lady_draguliana784]

@@UberNoodle It looks like his book came out before the release of ChatGPT, HOWEVER, I'm seeing comments that he said, at some point, that he was going to use AI to "help" write the sequel... 🙄

[@UberNoodle]

@@lady_draguliana784 Oh dear! But he'll defend it I bet.

[@blutygar]

I mean, there's always been mediocre to bad writers before chat GPT...

[@someuser4166]

you can tell what type of people are using these "tools". like 80% of the AI images you see online have patreon logos smeared all over the place.

[@ghoulchan7525]

grifters?

[@_kaleido]

The amount of actual, already-established artists I’ve seen unironically using AI in their process can be counted on one hand, everyone else I’ve seen regularly using it are either techbros or weeaboos

[@teslashark]

@@_kaleido Not even good weaboos, you don't see flatshade

[@Ponpon66669]

My selfies had been put into an AI image generator and stripped off clothes by a guy on discord without me knowing at the time , only when he tagged me saying that he did it and i dont even know him , he was just some random dude wanted to get his jollys off and he said it so proudly in public chat room then his friend admitted to doing the same thing to other girls. It was a twisted thing for them to laugh at. I was disgusted and deleted all my selfies .

[@moldycheese6635]

@@Ponpon66669 Hope you’re doing better! If you can, sue him

[@nukenugget]

So as an artist I have to disagree on one point. It is not stealing if you get inspired by other art. It is, for an Artist imensly important to view other art and observe objects IRL to get a grasp on styles, lighting etc. to use your example of the comedy sketches: If you go and write the jokes down (maybe change some of the wording) and then tell them as is it is of course stolen content. If you however listen to the routine, make own notes, maybe think about the subject at hand and let your own experiences flow in, it is not stealing because its your own view and thoughts. similar to this if I see a character and copy it (without crediting the oa) it is theft. If I think "hmm that piece of clothing or style of hair is cool Ima use that in something" it is not. because if so. EVERYthing music, pictures, structures etc is theft.

[@mmmmmmmmm95]

Con comentarios como el tuyo, la gente te valorará y respetará, sin importar los avances tecnológicos, úsalas, aprovéchalos pero no dejes que hagan todo el trabajo por ti, pon tu propio amor y esfuerzo en tus estudios de arte, la gente valorará tus mejoras y tu negocio

[@ivanmatveyev13]

Hi mate, can you pls post your art portfolio?

[@nukenugget]

@@ivanmatveyev13 I dont have an art portfolio. I dont do this professionally. I have a folder where pictures go.

[@aericabison23]

Yeah, I was going to comment something more or less like this. Thank you. Some basic ideas just work in multiple contexts- hence why we have stuff like common tropes, themes, &c.

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

That's the thing, people like shadversity isn't doing that himself for his skills in art, but using them to train a algorithm to produce something similar with luck of the lever He's not learning,growing, or even improving on anything since he's relying on photoshopping pieces of a generated image that randomly generates.

[@just_foxy35]

something I hate about AI art is, it's being treated like valid art process while just a couple years ago digital art, as in art made via digital mediums like literally any graphics program,, are "computer make me a [thing]" and it pops it into existence, which was used to disregard digi art. AI art good but digi art bad? when AI art do what think digi art is ? like tf

[@whiteasparagus4331]

I’m willing to bet the people who said digital art is not real art like 5 years ago are the same ones saying ai art is valid

[@harrisongrant8558]

Those are people that don't understand what digital art actually is and why it isn't "computer make me a thing", which is literally what AI """"art"""" is.

[@taragnor]

Traditional artists have been disregarding new forms of art for the extent of the modern era. When cameras were invented, the photographer wasn't considered an artist. Digital art has suffered from this too, and AI art is the latest victim. Autotune and other vocal enhancers in the music industry have similarly come under fire when they were first introduced. And all these led to a torrent of "No true Scottsman" style fallacies, where traditional artists would call the latest new methods talentless and not real art. If there's one thing that's been true about art, it's been that it's been ridiculously inclusive. Amateurish modern art pieces have sold for millions. In 10-20 years, AI artists will be a type of artist that's accepted by most of the community just like photographers are.

[@crim1188]

​@@taragnorThere is a difference between AI art and other things you listed. In all other art people actually need to train their skills dedicating years of work to hone their craft. In ai I can get the exact same results by using the same prompts. That is not possible in actual art. Its just not the same. Dont even dare put it in the same category

[@taragnor]

@@crim1188 When the camera was first invented, photography was really basic. AI art that we have now is also primitive compared to what it could be. Yes, just like photography current AI art generators are limited, and not very good. But like cameras, they'll get better. As for prompts, there's already prompt engineering courses for AI, and AI right now is still in its infancy. Learning how to talk to the computer to get it to do what you want it to is a skill that gets refined. What is it that you think computer programmers do?

[@lady_draguliana784]

Shad wrote a book... it's a self-insert isekai ("second life") where he's an old evil emperor that r4p3d hundreds of underaged girls then gets the powers of a god and made a teen boy again and is the hero... somehow... also he's mormon... so that tracks (I'm Ex Mormon, it really does track)...

[@westsidetyler]

I am actually reading through it right now lol

[@gensoustudio4703]

you're joking....

[@SteamCyberGothPunk]

what the hell?!

[@astrothsknot]

isn't he on the third or fourth one by now? I don't imagine it was very good.

[@astrothsknot]

@@westsidetyler how are you finding it?

[@zinzolin14]

Heads up, Shad started a YT channel exclusively about him creating AI images. Looking forward to watching his AI empire crumble

[@maggyfrog]

he should have just stuck to the sword stuff. medieval nerd is his strong suit. we all have our flaws, but it's honestly cringe to try and present those flaws as if they're strengths. also, is he not aware that it's common for active artists to feel tired of the manual labor of making art? that doesn't mean that artists should just let themselves go and just give up. drawing for hours and hours for most days of the week can be exhausting, but that's not an excuse to even consider for one second that AI art is "real art" that can be a substitute to the entire experience of humans making art from scratch.

[@CreativaArtly]

Hope Jazza pops some sense into his brother tbh. Shad is out of control.

[@cosmicspacething3474]

Fingers crossed he comes to his senses

[@hoi-polloi1863]

There was a guy who made an AI avatar of himself, and was training it to take over his reaction channel. I'm half-gleeful, half-dreading the result. I mean... if half the reaction channels on YT can be replaced by an AI randomly saying "Oh my God!" or "Did you see that?" "Dang, who'd'a thought" ... it's half hilarious, half depressing.

[@hoi-polloi1863]

@@maggyfrog to be honest, I think half the outrage here is along the lines of "how DARE YOU call yourself an artiste!" AI art-wrangling clearly isn't the same as original composition, but it is a fast way to get an interesting or fun image precisely if you *are* *not* an artist.

[@jblackburn995]

i think the most basic issue is shad thinks ignorance of the law is somehow an excuse which is wild, i learned thats a no no in preschool

[@GuardianSpirits13]

This is so disappointing... I knew I recognized him from somewhere, but when you mentioned his sword videos I remember I had done some research for my graphic novel using his videos. It's scary to see haw fast and hard he seems to have fallen from that.

[@westsidetyler]

Yeah, like, literally I half knew him for the same reason, in my case researching sword stuff for a story

[@TheSeriousPain]

He was always like that, we just didn't know.

[@Kuhmuhnistische_Partei]

Just watch Skallagrim instead, he seems to be one of the coolest sword youtubers out there and one of the few who doesn't dive into weird culture war bullshit from time to time. And he even actually does HEMA stuff and shows it from time to time! Robinswords seems also quite cool, but I didn't watch that much stuff of him. And The Welsh Viking (who even is an archaeologist) also has some stuff about historical reenactment and generally historical stuff and sometimes shows how he actually makes stuff like dyes or shoes and whatever, but he is mostly focused on viking/early medieval stuff.

[@maggyfrog]

@@Kuhmuhnistische_Partei yea, it's kind of a weird tangent that shad's content now has a lot of culture wars stuff, whether one agrees or disagrees with him. it's just weird that the medieval nerd guy is suddenly lecturing about all the woke stuff. and now he's also dipping into AI art territory? this guy's credibility is just so questionable to me rn.

[@arklados3596]

@@Kuhmuhnistische_Partei Skall and The Metatron are on top for martial history for me.

[@amandadiamond7147]

Do any of you remember when Asset Flips? People taking Unity store assets putting them on a pre-generated map and sold on Steam? This feels like that.

[@_nutcracker]

As someone who thought that ai will take over gamedev, it won't, games Take a lot of things and it all needs to work together to craft a great experience, ai would shit itself doing that

[@williamrussell4367]

I've used ai art myself, never on a commercial product and only also used it to create a mockup, I sent to an artist (minor concepting, and silly dnd games withstanding). For that purpose I've seen a tremendous amount of potential. I never could really describe what I imagine to someone who can do that kind of art. But more or less I can come up with an approximation not of a unique work of art, but of the way that I've imagined something. So far, as mockups (and I've always been very transparent about it being an AI mock up) go, The artists I've worked with have loved the detail of instruction, but specifically are not beholden to the image or style of the mockup, since I've reached them to "Make" art rather than collage other people's art into an idea. So I agree when they say AI is a tool to help people express their imagination. It really is, I've seen stuff out of people that never would have gotten that chance in a traditionally human only art path. But at the same time we can't let ease of access kill the art and ingenuity of real painters and digital artists.

[@BrookerTJustice]

"I would never support them if they did unethical things" "So they did some bad things but they didn't mean to" Really explains how he thinks the main character in his book can be redeemed

[@madeline6815]

I think it is funny when people defend AI art with "people did master copies". Like congrats. That person sat in front of an incredible work of art to learn how it was created. The worst part of AI art is just being an artist. It is super demoralizing for people trying to learn art for AI shills to put their generated images out their with no talent. I can imagine a kid drawing in class and some kid is like "why would you do that, check out what this AI did instead." I predict that if AI stays unregulated, people will just stop making art on computers. Like the worst part of the whole debate is that too many people think a picture of a painting is the same as the physical painting. Love the content! It is a breath of fresh air to listen to someone with reason on the internet!

[@filiperodriguesaquin]

> worries about child pornography > goes making lots of young waifus dressed as schoolgirls God, Shad gets worse by the week

[@Peasham]

Same dude who argues that women shouldn't be heroes and should be damsels in distress because they love to be saved btw

[@SnuubScadoob]

Same dude who thinks women who are victims of SA are only get upset about it if they don’t get pregnant.

[@numberonedad]

yeah the original drawn artwork is hilariously bad

[@drafezard7315]

Don't forget his god awful novel where a lot of female characters get raped and shit. With the protagonist being one of said rapists.

[@maggyfrog]

@@drafezard7315 wait, is that shad's novel? i never read it or was ever curious to even look up the synopsis. is it really that bad? his hero is a r*apist or he just wrote about a villain as the main character?

[@Ew-wth]

The way Shad went on and on about AI companies getting rid of copyrighted data in their models is absolute bs he pulled out of his arse. AI companies in fact fine tuned training more on copyrighted works because it's more popular and more people like looking at similar stuff. They're not reducing copyrighted data in their models whatsoever. We have multiple AI bros who work in these AI companies stating that the 'quality' of the data they're putting into their AI is the most important aspect to 'improving' results'. And if they truly could've just used public domain data then WHY THE FUCK HAVEN'T THEY SHAD?

[@DanielOnnerback]

I like using AI art generators to make images of Gordon Ramsey fighting bears and eat at Subway and enjoying it and stuff. Good stuff! other than that I don't see any use for it

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

I appreciate that you're honest. I tbh don't find it needed for my work like others do. The only ones who seem to talk as a blessing are those who are just bad people, or think this should be required to work.

[@Tentegen]

This is the only acceptable use for AI art

[@mellow_mallow]

The only pictures I remember making with it were asking it to show me Geralt Of Rivia as a Starbucks employee. More than once it turned him into the logo and I was happy with that. Hate that it's stealing from artists though and it's definitely not any measure of "intelligent".

[@karo7628]

that's the spirit, using it for fun images and not out of spite of poor artist

[@Nerobyrne]

@@karo7628 Do people use it out of/to spite artists? IMO this is a question for the lawyers, and it looks like they're working on it. Artists should be compensated if people use their work in machine learning pools.

[@yancke]

He blocked Reid Southen from attending a online debate with another pro ai guy that was moderating the topic. And is still dodging Reid to this day. So you are absolutely correct with your take. (Him blocking dodging people as a coward)

[@isaacevilman7586]

38:29 Literally yes. Countless cases have been made about this. Copyright infringement doesn’t have to be intentional. The highest profile recent example is the Roblox “Oof.” The creators of Roblox bought the sound as part of a sound library that Tommy Tallarico Studios did not put out. As the copyright holder (Tommy Tallarico Studios) did not put out the sound library, Roblox had no right to use the sound, even though they bought it. The group that sold the sound didn’t have any right to sell the copyright, so anyone who bought it from them couldn’t actually obtain it. He asks that question like it’s supposed to be a ridiculous assertion, but when you think about it, it makes perfect sense. The only person who can sell copyright is the copyright holder. If someone sells the copyright while not being a copyright holder, no copyright has actually been sold. Since no copyright has actually been sold, the person who bought it has no ability to use the copyrighted material.

[@ahuman32478]

This reminds me of that scene in Better Call Saul when Kevin says he bought a picture he used for the company logo, and Saul has to tell him that it's copyright infringement since buying a picture doesn't give you the copyright rights to it

[@Conformist138]

Everything about Shad made sense the day I found out he's Jazza's brother. He is green with envy.

[@Skidoosh121]

I appreciate your shit-talking commentary because a lot of other commentators in the art community are way to soft on the topic. People need to stop calling them AI "artists" or even calling it "AI Art". It's image generation. They are commissioning a machine to print them an image. Doing small little "adjustments" in Photoshop doesn't suddenly make it "yours" just like I can't go buy all the coloring books in Hobby Lobby and color them in and claim they are my art.

[@KoeSeer]

i stopped using "turd", "vomit", etc etc to say AI images because it instantly kills discussion. i'm using "AI images", "AI jpg", or "AI generated pics"

[@pawkeshup]

Saying it's a small adjustment in photoshop is wildly incorrect. I've done stuff in gimp to "artify" things, and it's a simplistic process, but you can CLEARLY tell what the source image is unless you're going super abstract. AI art, the whole goal is to just steal every brush stroke, digital or otherwise, to render it indistinguishable from the original. And it does so simply by pattern recognition, meaning when it reaches its apex, it will be 100% accurate with no real way to tell any longer. It's insane and horrible.

[@Skidoosh121]

@@pawkeshup work on your reading comprehension because it looks like you didn't even read what I wrote.

[@KoeSeer]

@@pawkeshup people can tell whether it's AI image or not, tho.

[@pawkeshup]

@@Skidoosh121 No I understood completely. You're just very much underselling how bad this is.

[@IlyaKralinsky]

What Shad heard all through his childhood: "Oi, bloody hell, lookit this bloody drawring of a crocodile eating a kangaroo with a boomerang flyin' overhead Jazza drew! Bloody brilliant, mate." "Dad! Dad! I'm an artist, too. I drew a picture of sketti." "Oi, mate, that's a mess, go play with this knife." Jazza is the normal -looking, talented brother, Shad the other kid. He talks like someone who's trying to desperately win some parental figure's approval with talent he doesn't have. If you look at his unaided, self-drawn artwork, his senses of proportion and form are horrible.

[@duckterdoland3881]

This is good you should write a book about it

[@CreativaArtly]

Yes, exactly

[@duckterdoland3881]

Maybe even have AI write it

[@fanime1]

Which is hilarious considering Shad literally argued with Jazza saying he has a great sense of proportions.

[@fanghur]

FYI, Shad DID promote Raid Shadow Legends at one point, on more than one occasion. As well as other equally predatory mobile games. So he's outright lying on that front.

[@westsidetyler]

Whhaaaat hahaha no way lol

[@fanghur]

@@westsidetyler Like 90% sure, yeah.

[@westsidetyler]

🤣🤣🤣

[@astrothsknot]

he fucking was, nearly every vid about 3-5 years ago when I started researching sword stuff for my fic.

[@CreativaArtly]

Lol 😂😂😂

[@astrocosmicalDude]

I'm still baffled at how he has the privilige and luck of having a very talented and professional artist in his family to learn from... And decides to just throw it away and even worse, use a software that is practically a "fuck you" aimed at artist like Jazza

[@JamLeGull]

This guy is the only American I've heard that can do a halfway decent Aussie accent

[@maddyrevenge]

Which is diabolical given that he thought Shad was British for the first 25 mins of the video haha

[@OriginalSabZero]

I can't find a citation atm, but OpenAI has said tehy would keep scraping aggressivley, including breaking protections against scraping. OpenAi has admited that their models tend to do overfitting (i.e. copying) on their own website!.

[@Archimedes.5000]

>"scraping protection" There is no such thing lmao, just like there's no "adblock protection". Everything you send to the browser can be freely modified, and browser can respond with whatever the fuck it wants. Any and all "scraping protection" is comparable to leaving your house key under the doormat, so not a security measure at all, it's just hindering users until they "find the key", and it's not illegal for them to do so.

[@chilibeer3912]

Prior to him popping up on my radar for this AI stuff I used to occasionally watch his sword stuff but I hadn’t watched him for years and years. But the thing I remember from back in the day was his self righteous approach to swordsmanship and how he clashed with real HEMA practitioners. Our boy Shad always seemed to know better than the actual Masters who wrote the fencing treatises in the Medieval period in which the techniques they taught were literally the difference between life or death. He always had these “modifications” to the techniques that were “better” and always seemed to work against whoever he handpicked to test them on while at the same time never testing in any kind of tournament or true proving ground. TLDR Shad has a knack for cutting corners either due to sheer laziness or lack of any genuine talent.

[@sespider]

I've just started using Krita. There's a bit of a learning curve. How did you get that pop-up wheel with the brushes? And where do you get brushes from? TIA

[@westsidetyler]

Vast majority of the brushes I use are built into Krita. The wheel is just the brush wheel, I think you hit like space or right mouse click to bring it up, but I have it keyed to my pen

[@RenceAsANoob]

Right click on the mouse, if you have a pen tablet app, you can probably set the settings of your pen on that app.

[@ApocalypticBlades]

​@@westsidetyler How do you get it to hold that many brushes? Mine will only hold like 8 at a time

[@westsidetyler]

@ApocalypticBlades You have to mess with it on the menus, but it's too complicated to explain in a comment. I'll try to go over it on stream tonight!

[@ApocalypticBlades]

​@@westsidetyler I'll try to tune in then!

[@lady_draguliana784]

19:30 Actually shad is either flatly lying, or totally misinformed here. A quick google will show that, in the Northern California Class Action Suit, for one, the Dev's are asserting that, even if artists object to the scraping of their art, the Devs should be allowed to use it regardless, without compensation or accreditation, claiming that "it's all fair use". I cannot find it now, but, as I recall, there were some major artists (possibly backed by major corporations of even govt's) that called for their art to be removed at the outset of the "in the style of" madness. The didn't do this out of the kindness of their hearts, they did it b/c they got very scary documents from very notable (and possibly powerful) people. and for everyone else effected and objecting, they're throwing the double middle fingers at us b/c we're 'too poor to do anything about it'. and they think the tech is so inevitable that they're inevitably going to win in the courts (and they're pumping so much money into the courts that they just may win, even if they're wrong... which they are).

[@astrothsknot]

they likely won't win, because the law and copyright changed very quickly for the creative product corporations when they realised that the benefits of AI (write a script in the style of Agatha Christie and not credit anyone for it/cut a writer out) was double edged (Corp wouldn't have any rights to product and anyone could use it) so now they're all piling money to fight the AI scourge and the production companies are very rich, powerful and litigious. The was a music AI created first, but it was never released because the devs knew and put out memos saying they'd be sued into oblivion by the music companies. It's going to be interesting seeing the result of the Getty lawsuit.

[@lady_draguliana784]

@@astrothsknot very good points, however that litigiousness extends to political lobbying, and the Big Dawgz pushing for regulation has been pretty solidly linked, not to copyright concerns, but to anti-competition strategies, intending to shut down open-source, public access, and not-for-profit AI projects in order to monopolize the power of AI, corner the market, and, thus, inflate their own projects' values. There've also been the inklings of a source-code-war between those big corporations, as they're feeling out if they can attack each other in court to try to claim that their rivals are copying their original code (even if they themselves just skimmed it from the aforementioned open-source / public projects, they seem to be suggesting that, even in that case they should be allowed to be able to copyright the source-code b/c it's just too damned profitable not to try. This strategy has worked too many times in the USA for them to not even give it a go too). The WGA settlement may be a bandaid on the wound, but clear, pro-public, pro-consumer legislation is needed to counter the obvious ultimate goal here: to cut out human artists from the corporate entertainment machine by stealing their past works to fake new ones, then keeping all the profit. "Why Pay James Cameron a dime for writing a script (padding his paycheck with millions) when we can beat him to the punch with our AI? Hey, ChatBot, write the script for Avatar 7 in the style of James Cameron" then, knowing that they'd lose in court under current laws, they'd just pay legislators to pass new laws (which also is PRECISELY what the "please regulate us!" propaganda is about as well) Given that so many politicians have proven that they'll say/do whatever they're paid to by donors, and the fact that it's basically legal to do that after Citizen's United, the outlook seems fairly bleak...

[@defaulted9485]

The way court is applied is that Judges and Lawyers are held to a separate group of lawyers. Lets just say everyone is malicious. Would the lawyer or judge legalize a crime in court? No, because even if the bar is corrupt, they wont risk their own 6-7 figures paying job at jeopardy. If the lawyer wont get client or smear their reputation, they would be pitted against each other until they get disbarred. This is how we got mostly good rulings upheld. You can be evil all you want as long as you're doing the logically sound option and not running something to the ground and have everyone against you.

[@MakeVarahHappen]

Even if it was for self-driving cards, scrubbing the internet for copyrighted material to train your neural net is still stealing. You are taking someone's labor and using it as capital without compensation.

[@zestybomb]

Before AI I add my watermark into my whole pieces. It's very sutble, but my watermark is burned into all of my art, you can only see it if you raise the conrast 1000% Now I'm glad I did that. Hopefully my watermark can show up and I can defend my case

[@Is-wunny]

Mfs Say: "I Did it because i am Teaching the AI to do it" Then the AI makes a Gruesome image/Racist Image/Clearly Stolen Picture: Oh, the AI did it, i am not like that

[@Jenn-lq9yu]

As a point on your commentary about specific beat compositions lining up between two different songs, that's actually not copyright theft legally. There have been numerous rulings about it fairly recently in some fairly high profile cases, and the burden of whether or not plagiarism occurred was found to be much more stringent than a small section of notes lining up between two songs. It was ruled that way on the basis that musical structure is inherently limited and there is inevitably going to be some crossover between songs having similar sounding sections. Now if you copy an entire song verbatim and pitch shift it or put lyrics over it, which is akin to what a lot of the AI is doing, that is copyright theft. Most of your points I agree with, but there are just a few points where you're incorrect or I disagree with you on. Also, taking inspiration from pre-existing art is highly important to the growth of an artist, not in the sense of directly inputting stuff into an AI generator and claiming it as your own. But taking inspiration from other artists is how a lot of high level skilled artists develop their own style, but seeing what other artists have done and merging what they take inspiration from into their own original compositions. I fail to do that and just continue to develop my own artistic style without any external inspiration, and it's heavily stagnated my own growth as an artist.

[@koboldcatgirl]

Yeah, I think it's really important when criticizing AI art that we not start cheerleading expansions to copyright law or stigmatizing copying/tracing as a pathway towards improving as an artist. That nuance is critical.

[@xuniltepes]

First time in this channel, I actually noticed at 47:21 the "bunny cam" lol I have a bnuys couple myself, Papa Sweetcheecks is adorable... and destructive (as any rabbit is, cute furry balls of chaos xd). The mental exercises Shad does to justify ai is incredible :P

[@COREcasual]

Shad is a serious narcissist

[@desmonddesjarlais2697]

I'm not a professional artist but I've been doing it my whole life. Shad infuriates me with his "artistic eye" bunk. If he wanted to consider himself how he already does, all he needed to do was practice. It seems his skill stunted in junior high. Looking at his work, there is no way he's ever practiced or even used warm up techniques.

[@beepboopbleep3695]

"you gonna be jousting down to the pub?" i'm dead.... love the energy on this channel

[@lady_draguliana784]

Vincent van Gogh/Died July 29, 1890, Auvers-sur-Oise, France 👍 (your point stands) ALSO, (OMFG) Starry Night is literally recreated in art classes for educational purposes thousands of times every year, most art students will eventually be asked to recreate a classical masterpiece, and have a small pool of classics to choose from, which will invariably include: Starry Night...

[@Hornzer]

What baffles me the most is that Shad is ultimately an AI human being. He found something he is into; Medieval History/Fantasy and has attempted to copy his entire personality and identity around this. He isn't his own person. He sounds nothing like his brother and as an Aussie myself I haven't found anyone that sounds quite as "English" as him. He is a sad human to behold. EDIT: Also given the content of this video, I assume he thinks he's alot smarter than he is despite but because of this no-original-thought-ism.

[@youraveragesinner5474]

1. I never expected to see this many windows opened simultaneously in a single youtube video lol 2. Respect for a Krita brother!

[@westsidetyler]

Krita 4 Life

[@Jake28]

@@westsidetyler Krita 5.2.1, even

[@SpectroliteDS2400]

AYYY, Krita fan club FTW!

[@FaustLC]

I was a huge defendant of ai art for a while then shit I thought wouldn't happen i.e ppl losing their jobs to ai started happening. Unlike shad I fucking backpedal my arguments so fast when I saw it actual hurting people in fact ai art has made me want to learn how to do real art at some point in the future.

[@travisnygard3707]

Props to you

[@Sopsy_Hallow]

Faust did not know all outcomes of AI technology i see

[@FaustLC]

@@Sopsy_Hallow ok that’s a good one

[@TheTTTtv]

I can't believe I used to watch this guy. Looking back at his sword videos I realized how flawed most of them are.

[@maaderllin]

Same. I started watching him in his "Fantasy re-armed" series. It was entertaining at best. But as soon as he started trying HEMA and went on complaining that he was criticized for his form by people who actually trained, I started to know something was off. I stayed there for some of his castle videos but his beef with the archery community of youtube (and mainly nu-sensei) really ended the last sliver of respect I had for the guy. I unsubscribed back then. And then I saw his collab with Carl Benjamin of all people and knew that I had done the right thing.

[@RenceAsANoob]

@@maaderllin I haven't heard of all of that drama brewing... WTH SHAD!?

[@maaderllin]

@@RenceAsANoob That dude is cooonstantly brewing drama. -By two times he got beef with the HEMA community, once by stopping doing HEMA because someone criticizing him on his footwork, and another time I think it was around 2020 when he did a video calling HEMA "elitist", to which Matt Easton from Scholagladiatoria replied. (By that time I was unsubscribed from Shad, but I still follow Matt Easton -He got that beef with the archery community because of his bad form backyard tests. He said that "because he was able to do a certain form of draw in his backyard, that it was most likely historical" while the archery community commented that this was not something that he should do because that bad form could lead to injury in the long run, and he did a video calling Nu-Sensei an idiot, only to backpedal and play the "civil disagreement" act when Nu-Sensei respectfully tore down all of his bullshit. -He complained as early as 2016 that KZbin was censoring journalists, referencing Lauren Southern of all people. -He also got beef with Skallagrim a couple of months ago: Some rando on twitter shared one of his (Shad's) stupid right-wing clickbait thumbnail, and Skal commented on the twitter user that he found it very annoying and it was one of the reason he stopped interacting with Shad and Metatron, and Shad lost his mind and started calling out Skal just because of that comment, writing f*cking long posts on twitter. And more recently, maybe one month ago, Matt Easton did a collab with all the sword enthusiasts he could gather, and people in his audience and in his private life showed him Shad's second channel, so he decided do stop all association with Shad and did a public post about it, and Shad lost his mind once again and sent all his audience call Matt a coward. -That and the fact that he's commonly made fun of in the HEMA community at large... He's a narcissistic POS that can't bear the idea that people don't like him and don't want to associate with him and give him the clout he so desperately wants.

[@dracocrusher]

Shad's response to people asking "Why do I have to intentionally opt-out of this thing using my content" is unironically to actually just say "Well, wouldn't it be hard if they had to get clearance for every single piece of content they trained the system on???" And it's like.......... Y- yeah....??? That's not my problem??? If you can't get the rights to plug Professor X illustrations into your algorithm then get fucked, you don't get to steal from fans and Marvel to put out recreations of that character. I don't care if they need it for self-driving cars, those are a horrible idea, too, for completely other reasons. Worst case scenario you can make exceptions for machine learning that don't exist for artistic works.

[@Gormathius]

25:03 If I had a penny for every time I hear some armchair lawyer overestimate how much fair use lets them get away with, I'm not sure how much money I'd have but I'd at least be able to afford a fancy dinner.

[@josynaemikohler6572]

I do not know, what is worse, Shad's outright bad and dangerous "legal" talk, or how full he is about himself, talking about his talent and "artistic eye".

[@RussOlson-pl3kf]

I'm listening to this as I do my work at a government prosecutor's office and my brain was exploding listening to that

[@P0rk_Sinigang]

Man, kudos to you for being able to stomach Shad's bullshit. I can't even listen to him second hand (through you) without having to get up and walk away from the screen every five minutes.

[@eduardogiraldez5471]

Shad calling himself a professional artist is like a Mcdonald burger flipper comparing themselves to a 5 star restaurant chef.

[@fanime1]

It's more like Shad is the customer ordering the burgers

[@synthellaart1587]

More like someone buying a Happy Meal and calling themselves a 5 star chef

[@koboldcatgirl]

@@fanime1 "Now, here I tasted my Big Mac, it tasted too salty, so I asked the waitress to put more of something sweet on my burger. So she put some ketchup on it. My request, which improved the burger quality exponentially, could only have been made by someone with a trained culinary palette. Noticing that it was salty required years of experience in burger-tasting, and finding the language to describe what the burger needed to complete it is what being a chef is all about."

[@trashcatlinol]

That thumbnail is GORGEOUS. thank you for sharing that XD

[@Opinionerded]

Fellow Krita user here. Glad to see it getting some love. It's a great program. Just subbed to your channel. Salute.

[@lady_draguliana784]

Shad needs to read up on what happened to the founders of Pirate Bay... it's still up, sure, but there're a couple dudes doing SERIOUS time...

[@keYserSOze2008]

He showed an image in FNT that made supergirl look like she had a broken neck and shad was proud of it. "Artists eye" my arse! 🤭

[@Shiranova]

Van Gogh died in 1890, not 400 years ago in the 1600s... But even in the 1600s, concepts of copyright existed and plagiarism was often mentioned and denounced in the official copies of popular books.

[@viceroy___]

Yeah the ignorance of this dude is painful.

[@Shiranova]

@@viceroy___ I know the exact date wasn't necessary for the statement he was making but him being 200-300 years off automatically diminished his credibility in my eyes...

[@pipkin5287]

Far as I know, "Fair use" guidelines are only a US thing. It's kind of hilarious to listen to an Aussie pandering to it. Also, I think these AI bros really need to learn the *actual* meaning of "public domain". Like you said: It's look, dont touch

[@Archimedes.5000]

AI generators are just "looking" though Image datasets are literally just collections of links to publicly available images.

[@pipkin5287]

@@Archimedes.5000 the images are not publicly available for *use*

[@Archimedes.5000]

@@pipkin5287but they are available for viewing and analysis? Which is what is being done on them??

[@pipkin5287]

@@Archimedes.5000 they are also being used, seeing as the algorithm that analyses them literally cannot function without doing so. I.e. their use is integral to the function of the application. So, images are being used to create a for-profit model, but the original creators of those works are neither compensated nor credited for their unwilling contribution.

[@Archimedes.5000]

@@pipkin5287used how exactly? Images are not a part of the model, model is just an algorithm created based on analysis of thr images. It is functionally no different from a programmer physically looking at the images and then writing code capable of the same things as the model. This sounds a bit strange given that no human is capable of doing that (which is why self-learning algorithms had to be used in the first place), but if someone could they would be in the same position as the AI is.

[@mug-o-tea9517]

Good discussion, a bit on the aggressive side, also he did open with the whole cp and pcorn being bad at the start of the video, and it was a bit jarring that the claim that he did not address it came up 2 times, even though it was one of the first things he addressed

[@calebcasual]

Man I actually liked some of his sword videos for art reference. Can't believe his brother is Jazza, shad just seems a bit delusional.

[@Totally-Not-A-Robot]

As a musician, I have pretty strong opinions on copyright law, protection for creatives, and fair use. I think the above three things are all good things, and that AI being trained off of works for free and without permission, then using that trained data for commercial purposes violates the first two and is not upheld by the third. Regarding the "skill" of typing key phrases into a text field: If he's got such an artistic eye, then he should do what his brother did. Pick up a pencil and spend the time practicing drawing. It's very telling that he doesn't want to spend the time it takes to reach the level of quality he wants for his project(s). It should also tell him what all the fuss is about from those who did dedicate themselves and spend that time. Typing keywords and then refining them further after your initial results look like ass is not a skill. It's an ability to type and retype untill you get the output you want. If, for some reason, anyone needs evidence for this; compare how long it took Shad to effectively keyword his way to a desired image with his brother Jazza learning how to draw a desired image. Anyone can learn what Shad does in an afternoon. Anyone can also learn to do what Jazza does too, but it takes years and years of dedication and work to get to that level. Shad equating what he does with artistic talent is ordering takeout and declaring yourself a chef as a result, because you had to learn how to place the order. Un-f**king-real. Secondly, there is not _/a/_ Creative Commons licence, there is more than one. One kind allows me to take an image posted under it, stick it on a shirt, and sell those shirts without fear of legal repercussions. Another type says I can use an image and stick it on a t-shirt and that's fine, but as soon as I try and sell it, I run into legal trouble. Even if an AI is trained only with works posted under this first type of license, *neither* of them allows me to claim a copyright of my own on the work in question. So trying to shield oneself behind a CC licence doesn't automatically just work, because if you pay for a commercial licence for the AI you use to generate art for you, it's done so under the expectation that either you (or at the very least, the AI developer) holds the actual copyright on the generated image. So if that AI has trained on my CC licenced art, there's definitely a case to be made that my copyright has been violated, especially if the composition of the image, or my specific art style, or use of color, or all of these things are reasonably similar in the generated image as compared to mine. But I think Shad knows all this and makes the argument the way he does anyway because he knows most people don't know the ins-and-outs of Creative Commons attribution, won't do any research about it, and so might be swayed by the argument. As for the example of Van Gogh, the analogy would work if he'd said, "Vinnie looked at this other painting, had _someone else_ recreate it in another style for him, then signed his own name on the bottom of this new work for Vinnie to sell." Maybe then it would be more similar to how AI art works. Maybe Shad will also notice that of all of those people who are recreating Starry Night and posting it on the internet are also not attempting to pass it off as their own original work, and that even if they tried, they would have more of a right to do so then if they instead just typed, "Starry Night in the style of Rembrandt," or something like that into a text field, because they at least spent the time actually doing it, plus the time before hand learning and practicing and learning how to do it. tl;dr - Shad's arguments suck and are easily picked apart after a moment of rational thought.

[@Totally-Not-A-Robot]

Also, in b4 Shad sues someone who's AI generated book is a liiiiiitle too similar to his. 🤷

[@aeolianthecomposer]

As a composer, I second this

[@Tea-zu2he]

I haven't been on deviantart in years so I have no idea if this has actually changed but if it hasn't then Shad is just straight fucking wrong. You can explicitly add a creative commons license on the work you upload but you literally have to set it to do that it is not automatically a creative commons. On the posts it will literally say creative commons if they explicitly added that or not.... otherwise it is copyrighted to the person uploading. This is pretty easy to look up just looking at the front page of deviantart lol

[@metalsludge8205]

the funny thing is that Shad is simultaneously claiming that "all images uploaded publicly online are under CC" (they aren't), but also that because his GenAI content is using his "original characters and designs" (lmao), that he actually CAN copyright such content. he's essentially saying "you can't own your original work, but I can own the content I derive from said work. Rules for thee but not for me".

[@theressomelovelyfilthdownh4329]

I see nothing wrong with this if you want some handouts for your RPG campaign. But I would never use it in something I published, or claim to be an artist. If I were to publish an RPG campaign online. Then I would have a real life artist do the artwork for me. I would use the generated art from the homebrew version. But that's purely to save explaining what's needed. They can take those and put their own stamp on it. If you hired them, then you already like their style. So just let them get on with it. Oh, and pay them decently. If it was easy, you'd be doing it yourself.

[@AegixDrakan]

Man, it's hard to tell if Shad just fundamentally misunderstands what's going on, or if he is deliberately obfuscating it by mashing metaphors together. Like, there's a difference between "I saw a thing, got inspired, did my own take on it" versus "I saw a thing, was inspired, traced over all the lines to recreate it, and then made a few tweaks to it afterwards". AI art is basically having a program trace over the lines for you, only it traces over the lines of thousands of images. As an artist who talked about Shad's use of AI said, "This technology is forcing us to compete with our own work, without our consent or compensation."

[@Shiruvan]

when his sword/medieval video occasionally came out in recommendation, because weapons content I usually click, I was circling in my head, when/what is tangibly, historically one or two or even more consistent things, and would Shad just shut up at one conclusion, but to carry on, holy shit, its content padding, people watch this? good gracious.

[@Archimedes.5000]

How do you trace thousands of images into one image? Can I learn this skill?

[@HerrDoktorWeberMD]

I'm convinced now that "AI Art" is identical to commissioning an artist, except in this case, the artist is just a machine designed to regurgitate training data in the shape of your commission. Everything he does with photoshop is exactly what you'd do if you wanted specific details added on a big expensive commission, or what you'd do to show the artist what you're going for visually so they can do a better job. AI isn't an artistic tool. It's not a paintbrush. You're not an artist, you're a client of an artist. You're commissioning "artwork."

[@jtpmwh]

I really want someone to plug shads book into chatGPT and have it genderswap every character and change all of the fantasy nouns to different nouns. The. Sell it claimong its their own writing because they had to use their artistic vision to genderswap the characters and change the nouns

[@TotalyNotSatan]

48:38 In 3rd class we had a art task, we were supposed to look at the stary night art, look at how the stars, the trees ect. were drawn and then NOT COPY but DRAW INSPIRED by the artstyle out own interpretation of the night sky, the difference is, we didnt simply use the picture to chop off bits of it, study it and then soullessly copy it. Our teacher even forbid us to simply copy the draeing because aa she said it "thata not art, art is about fantasy, imagination and projection of ones mind"

[@CodeBlue981]

the mental gymnastics people like Shad will go through to convince themselves they're special

[@stanimirgeorgiev.87]

I am actually visiting your channel for the very first time and because of your position I have been paying attention to your words regarding the use of AI and all that you said about the original (act of creation) creation and search which for me personally is also a way of personal knowledge. So respect to you. Your channel has grown again with another viewer who will promote your channel with good reviews.

[@SapitoAnimation]

17:54 shad is just irresponsible with his art making, I always, ALWAYS, check who created something, check if they want credit or not, if I have to pay, donate, etc. in order to use their stuff. wether it is a font, an image, or music. It's just the ethical thing to do

[@westsidetyler]

Yeah, particularly in non-Fair Use circumstances, which basically all of his reasons for making AI Art fall under. Not to mention, Creative Commons licenses aren't just "go for it," they all have stipulations for use, including crediting and requiring your derivative work also be available under a creative commons license

[@odojang]

Out of curiosity I tried about a dozen AI image generators so far. I have a very clear image in my mind I want to make. I wanted to see how the so-called AI would approximate it. Each time, it was a failure, from plain failure to abysmal failure; and obviously based on stealing already made images and making a weird composite. I can do far better with GIMP. Or by hand. And even if I can actually draw pretty well, I do not advertize myself as an illustrator. Doing so with these systems is quite preposterous.

[@Pejtson]

Wait are you saying me extracting files from a zip file doesn't make me an artist!?

[@Rexotec]

So fellow Australian here (no relation, please, he lives in my state which is already enough), Australian Copyright Law is even stricter in some cases - when you copy, source, or use ANYTHING you find, even if it's creative commons or in the public domain, you are required by law to attribute it to the original author. You have to say where you got it from, even if the website says 'Free for use without attribution', Australian law enforces it. This applies to copied works that don't entirely match the original. For instance... if you write a report that references other people's studies... you reference them in your bibliography... you know... the thing that almost every single author does ever. If you wanna make the argument that AI Art is only using the millions of images it sources from for 'inspiration' (it's not), then under every single AI-generated image, you would need to include a GIANT list of attributions of what images its sourced to generate its algorithm and where, just to comply with attribution law in Australia, IF we assume every single image it sourced had absolutely no copyright and was free to use for any purpose (it's often not, and Fair Use is also stricter in Australia too, and definitely doesn't cover AI).

[@adinocc2042]

I did the same thing when I found out Shad was an Aussie too.

[@stefangobert8448]

I keep seeing that creative commons argument in AI discussions and the thing is... It's a complete red herring. The AI companies never based their collection of images to construct their datasets on the principles of creative commons. They were able to do this because they created these datasets originally as part of non-profit 'research' and relied on exemptions in plagiarism law for that kind of research. Of course they subsequently used those datasets to create for-profit products, which is morally questionable at best, and quite possibly fully illegal.

[@ursidae97]

Seeing him be transphobic is sad and boring. Seeing him be artphobic is hilarious especially since his brother is a well respected artist.

[@farkasmactavish]

Shad, you wouldn't have to FIX the proportions if you would simply learn how to make them correctly, yourself, from the start.

[@cjrjv1]

I remember this was the video of his that started to concern me. I love that you were drawing him the whole time

[@blinkspacestudio8892]

Physically drawing art is the magic part for me. AI art is amusing for the most part but ultimately dumb. Its the equivalent of ordering a pizza vs cooking a proper nutritious dinner for yourself. I stopped using AI art a while back when I was doing research for an alien pic but I just got back to actual drawing then.

[@zero69kage]

I'm so glad I feel off of Sade's content. His takes on Star Wars were not good. I never would have guessed that he would get this bad though.

[@josephwebster2319]

As a developer, this shit isn't progressing all that fast. We can only push it so far. We just keep giving them set dressings over actual development

[@NO-gh7yl]

As someone who draws hentai, we prevents do not claim ai freaks as one of us. Porn should be made with love and shared in nsfw spaces with people who wanna see and make it and with no harm to real people. Using a database of stolen art and stolen pictures to make naked anime girl #453 or whatever influncer's face they fantasize about on a realistic body is wrong and souless

[@westsidetyler]

Based degen

[@zxcasf]

Genuinely based champion of coomers.

[@hoi-polloi1863]

Heyo! I've been binge-watching your one-man crusade against Shad, and I'm here for it. I like his swords channel, didn't like his book, but am interested in this whole AI art business. I don't think that wrangling ChatGPT to get pictures makes you an artist; seems to me more like a data mining or SEO kind of operation. That said, not everyone needs or wants to be *un* *artiste* ... some of us just want pictures of of pretty superheroines, and don't have time to learn the art and science of figure drawing. Where it gets interesting is making sure that the picture database that your AI is using is ethically sourced.

[@koboldcatgirl]

Keep in mind that the other big problem with AI art is that it has a huge carbon footprint. Most AI art generators are super costly for the environment. There are some exceptions, though! Just, like, also try to order a few commissions now and then. Honestly, AI art on its own, in an empty room, feels lonely to me. Pretty superheroine art is always better when you get to admire the unique choices the artist made!

[@GodOfBrevity]

@westsidetyler would love to hear your take on what’s going on with the mouse currently, based on what you’re saying around 31:55

[@thomasb4521]

This is what reaction content is supposed to be.

[@liviuursegr]

I hadn't seen this video from Shad. He's completely bunkers trying to gaslight people with that crap. Or simply completely delusional

[@morri254]

as an australian, his accent trips us up too... thats why i didnt know he was Jazza's brother. its like he is attempting to do the refined australian accent, but it comes off as poorly faked english - but still australian enough to throw us. I don't think poms would think he sounds english, but he is definitely affecting an accent that isn't natie - listen to jazza

[@astrothsknot]

i'm Scots. he definitely sounds Aussie. maybe newsreader accent, but still OZ.

[@morri254]

@@astrothsknot yea as i said, im sure it would sound aussie to people from other backgrounds, because there are things about everyone's own accent they can't hear. but he is affecting something else which isn't native. the newsreader accent is the refined australian accent i mentioned, they teach it at uni's and stuff, think cate blanchett. there is definetely an elevated australian accent, but that's not what he sounds like to me, particularly when he affects a condescending tone - not uncommon for australians because we try very hard not to sound bogan when we talk down to people. I was surprised to find out he was Australian to begin with, let alone Jazza's brother because they don't sound the same to me

[@zxcasf]

I'm an Aussie with an extremely faint accent at best (autism sucks), and even I sound more convincingly Australian than him. Funnily enough I have a Scottish friend who also says I sound very Australian, even though I get asked at work where I'm from constantly.

[@VAMPZDJ]

Where can we see these ground breaking next level creations of yours?

[@westsidetyler]

westsidefairytales.com bucko

[@chrisball3778]

He claims that AI won't need to be trained using copyrighted material soon, but then immediately admits that the datasets it uses are full of illegal material and they've actually got no idea what's in there, and says that it'd be unfair to expect them to check. I used to watch some of his sword videos years ago, but mostly stopped because his presentation style was so boring and unengaging. Really glad to have saved myself the trouble of having to stop watching him because of his chud heel turn.

[@Ew-wth]

1:05:00 when Shad 'created' something 'new' right there the software took from the pretrained model of stability as well instead of just the images he 'fed' to replicate his face. When he puts images of himself in there what it's called is 'finetuning' and still completely relies on the stolen work that was fed into the base model, in this case stability AI's model. The new art style didn't suddenly come out of nowhere, it's the stolen base model 'creating' this art style. The images he put in are like a filter, nothing more and nothing less.