Cuba Libre - Learning Live! (see description for new links!)

[@WatchItPlayed]

After making this video, we later created a live teach of the game on Twitch, which you can find here: www.twitch.tv/videos/1299595197 (along with our full 4 payer play through: www.twitch.tv/videos/1299598428). Then later, Monique and Naveen recorded a full two play game, back on the channel here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qaKVmXZqmrWVirc

[@zvnetzley9209]

I have been tempted by this game for a couple of years now, so when a playthrough video by Monique and Naveen, I was thrilled and hit play. That was where I learned about this video, so I stopped that video and just invested 6 hours and 15 minutes of my life into this experience. Thank you! Next step is to click on the pinned link and see the follow up to this before returning to M&N's playthrough now that I have a basic underatanding! Again, thank you for doing this and opening this world for me!

[@WatchItPlayed]

Very glad you enjoyed the video. If you want to see a live, but condensed teach, you can find that here: www.twitch.tv/videos/1299595197 (along with our full 4 payer play through: www.twitch.tv/videos/1299598428

[@Venthrac]

Had a great time participating in this, and met many wonderful folks in the chat. For a few blissful hours, I forgot about this troubling year and was just a happy gaming fan.

[@WatchItPlayed]

I can't think of a greater result from the process - so glad you joined us and enjoyed the companionship!

[@safe-keeper1042]

That's the kind of experience we all need these days :)

[@middleclassjoe]

I know a lot of time went into this, and it’s probably not a once a week kind of thing, but I’d really love to see more of these. Admittedly, I wasn’t focused in 100% for the duration, but I had it playing in the background the whole time and I was enjoying checking back in with you and all the amazing folks in the chat. Even if we don’t see another one, this one was greatly appreciated.

[@WatchItPlayed]

It was very nice to see you in the chat Joe! So glad you enjoyed this experiment :)

[@WatchItPlayed]

So... did we learn how to play? Here's a follow up video from the next day: twitter.com/WatchItPlayed/status/1339266203769053186?s=20

[@ishoottheyscore8970]

Can't blame you for stopping when you did, but would have liked to have seen you both muddle through a few further turns! Just seems a shame to have not reached an end to the game, or at least try a few actions of your own. Any chance of a follow up video continuing from the end point in the play book? This is one of the few games I can see Table Top Simulator working for it. Most games you need to be a bit more careful about placing things on the board which is just much harder than it needs to be in that interface, but the coin games usually have you just dropping tokens etc in to big enough areas

[@WatchItPlayed]

@@ishoottheyscore8970 I did end up going on to finish that game solo, and have now played 5 more times (and have become quite obsessed with this system... now learning and playing 3 other COIN games... with others on the shelf to be played as well). I do hope to return to this game in some form on the channel, as I think I can teach it more succinctly, but it's a big undertaking, so I have to figure out when/how I can fit it in.

[@ishoottheyscore8970]

@@WatchItPlayed Which ones are you playing, and what ones do you have on the shelf? I love the depth you get out of the game despite a fairly simple turn structure (1st player to act picks an action which sets what the 2nd player can do), but would love to see a more succinct way to teach them. I get the play books helping to highlight what all the options are like for each player (letting them see their own and their opponents actions) as it's not always obvious how valuable different actions are, so not sure how to teach them in a different way. Maybe there'll be a way of teaching that gets the Brothers Murph to play it... :-)

[@WatchItPlayed]

@@ishoottheyscore8970 Currently playing: A Distant Plain, Andean Abyss and Colonial Twilight. On my shelf: all the other ones currently available (except for All Bridges Burning and Pendragon... which I ordered and are on the way). I've fallen HARD for this system. It's been great. And yes, I think the game (especially Cuba Libre) is more approachable than the way the rule books present the game.

[@ishoottheyscore8970]

@@WatchItPlayed I don't think it particularly fits your channel, but I'd love to see someone do a video talking about the events in Andean Abyss compared to Narcos, such as whether there are event cards that deal with the corruption in the government, or disputes between the Cali and Medellin cartels. Watched and Played?...

[@thursty4boardgames944]

Thanks for this stream it was much fun to see you both go through the pain of reading a COIN game rulebook. I always found these games interesting and I read plenty of rulebooks but there’s something about these games that trick me up, but I would assume having open information would help with teaching COIN games. The COIN game I’ve always be interested in is Liberty Or Death The American Insurrection, I love the theme of that game and I think the board art is fantastic! However, when I was struggling to just read that rulebook my brain melted. Now as I watch you two read through this rulebook I can see how helpful it is to have just one more person to read the rulebook with: They can correct you on any misunderstandings of the rules you have and you can correct them on their misunderstandings as you learn the game together.

[@Venthrac]

Liberty or Death is great!

[@WatchItPlayed]

It was a lot to go through, but I really enjoyed the process of learning it, so thanks for joining us! It was definitely nice to have all of you in the trenches with us during it!

[@thursty4boardgames944]

@@Venthrac Glad to hear it! :) I will get it when I’m ready for the COIN series of games.

[@diggidydiggidy]

For someone who normally has to do the learning of these games all by myself, I greatly appreciated and surprisingly enjoyed this stream. While it is nice to get the polished rules from your regular videos, this learning stream, even being quite raw, was something special. I'd be very keen to watch more of these. The open discussions you both have really help cement these complex constructs. And your banter truly elevated this viewing. "Watch us learn". Also special call out for the OBS screens, splendid and clear. Well done Rodney (and Matthew)!

[@WatchItPlayed]

Thank you kindly Robert - we knew this would be quite different from our usual presentation, and it's been so nice to get positive feedback like this from it. Cheers!

[@charliep1]

This was fantastic! You definitely need to do more of this. I know I would love it and I think a lot of others will as well. Thanks Rodney and Matthew!

[@WatchItPlayed]

So glad you enjoyed Charlie :)

[@sentient02970]

Sorry I missed this live. Enjoying watching! This is one of my favorites. A tight, chaotic, exciting COIN.

[@WatchItPlayed]

We really enjoyed tackling this, and now we're going to take a few turns offline, where we left off, just to cement it all in there :)

[@0Magician00]

Nice to see GMT getting a bit of love, would be great to see more of these types of games.

[@WatchItPlayed]

Glad you enjoyed - dropped a tutorial for 1960 from GMT a couple months ago too, if you're curious!

[@Arkhonai]

Cuba Libre is fantastic entry to COIN series, while Fire in the Lake is their Masterpiece, heaviest after Pendragon though. Great to see that it picked your interest.

[@WatchItPlayed]

I really enjoyed learning this one!

[@logicalparadox2897]

I really like how this was raw and uncut. This is a reality check to anyone opening up that COIN box that’s been taunting them on their shelf and thinking they’ll just “have a go at it real quick” on a lunch break. I’ve been there and walked away ashamed and defeated. But watching two experienced gamers trudge through these rules bit by bit and observing their thought process is extremely validating. It shows that games look intimidating aren’t so bad, but do take a considerable investment of time and attention to wrap your mind around. I think there’s a part of me that always imagines that others just breezed through the rules in 20 minutes and were up and playing in no time and I must just be dense. Seeing the learning happen in real time is helpful.

[@WatchItPlayed]

Very glad you enjoyed this journey :) And you're absolutely right... it can be deceiving how much actual effort is required to get rules mastery over a game, especially more complex ones like this. If you enjoyed this, you might enjoy the later live teach and play we did once we did have rules mastery over this one :) www.twitch.tv/videos/1299595197 and www.twitch.tv/videos/1299598428

[@logicalparadox2897]

@@WatchItPlayed Thanks for the links. I did eventually find those on my own… and I’m currently watching them. Question, though… why aren’t those videos up on KZbin??

[@WatchItPlayed]

@@logicalparadox2897 I decided to shoot them on Twitch, as it was a very new format, and I wasn't exactly sure how it would go. I also didn't want to create an expectation that "live tutorials" might be a new trend on the channel . This was more of a one-off special.

[@ipejuntunen9822]

Oh I hope we will see more COIN games or war games in general (Labyrinth maybe?). I really like Rodney how you thematize different actions like how cylinders behave for example.

[@WatchItPlayed]

Very glad you enjoyed the presentation Ipe! :)

[@92keys524]

Labyrinth was the first game that came to my mi d as well.

[@Chereebers]

I really enjoyed this format - felt very personal like we were all in it together (despite me watching over several days!) I’ve always wondered what COIN games were like so watching this from your perspective (as a board gamer) really helped.

[@WatchItPlayed]

This is such a lovely piece of feedback to get Cheree. It was a long video, but we really wanted to share our enthusiasm for trying something new - and wanted to share that, not just with each other, but also others like you, who might have a curiosity about these types of game.

[@st0ox]

To be honest this was the most entertaining and at the same time informative video in board gaming history! Great Idea, please do this again for some other heavy board game.

[@WatchItPlayed]

So glad you enjoyed this event :) We later did a concentrated live teach: www.twitch.tv/videos/1299595197 and play: www.twitch.tv/videos/1299598428

[@StephenWestrip]

Fantastic stream! It was great to see how involved you both were with the game and how you got more invested as the playthrough went on. It was an absolute pleasure to be able to participate on this stream.

[@WatchItPlayed]

So nice for you to take the time to join us and leave the kind comment Stephen!

[@beeasinbob]

This is a brilliant idea; model your approach to learning how to play a board game. It's the best way to teach critical thinking. Awesome job!

[@WatchItPlayed]

Thanks Robert. We later did a full teach and play through here: www.twitch.tv/videos/1299595197 and www.twitch.tv/videos/1299598428

[@godottuul7308]

Love it! I'm super interested in COIN games! I want to see more of this in future videos!

[@WatchItPlayed]

So glad you enjoyed - thanks for the kind feedback!

[@snw7]

This is one of my favorite of the COIN games. Love that you guys are doing this because while I love more traditional board games, I have a deep love for war games as well.

[@WatchItPlayed]

I think this is the start of a deeper dive for me!

[@AaronAndSusie]

I've always had interest in the COIN series and thought I was alone in my circle of friends. Turns out a new across town neighbor / new friend was simultaneously looking into them the same time I was this past week lol. So I am here to learn!

[@WatchItPlayed]

We did a follow up video on Twitch where we did our own custom (full) teach, and then a full play. You may enjoy that as an alternative! Teach: www.twitch.tv/videos/1299595197 Play: www.twitch.tv/videos/1299598428

[@Chris-ro2pu]

I loved this stream! I want more of these formats when you are comfortable streaming more. -a stream veteran

[@WatchItPlayed]

Thank you Chris, very kind of you to say - we will definitely consider it!

[@NapoleonsTriumph]

Great to see COIN goodness, it is such a marvellous gaming system, and educational at the same time.

[@WatchItPlayed]

We really dug it!

[@gabrielthornmusic]

Started reading the rulebook today. I've never played a COIN game before. I gave up after the first 5 pages.

[@NapoleonsTriumph]

@@gabrielthornmusic oh no. I take it you have the game. What sort of games do you prefer?

[@erikgoddard4570]

I enjoyed watching Rodney and Matthew's enthusiasm for learning a new game!

[@WatchItPlayed]

It's been ever increasing since! Got a couple games of it under my belt, and looking forward to more!

[@erikgoddard4570]

@@WatchItPlayed I just ordered "Cuba Libre" from GMTGames! I've danced around the COIN series for so long, your learning video really helped me take the plunge! Thank you! (and 1 to 4 players is really convenient these days!)

[@WatchItPlayed]

@@erikgoddard4570 I really think Cuba Libre is a great starting point in this series, and there are now so many others to branch off and try, if you enjoy it!

[@christinning7658]

I just caught up on this, I really enjoyed it, thanks for taking the time to make it. Inspired, I've cracked open my untouched copy of Gandhi and I'm now working through the playbook, suddenly the Coin system doesn't seem all that intimidating anymore.

[@WatchItPlayed]

That is so nice to hear! If you find it helpful, we later did a full, condensed teach here: www.twitch.tv/videos/1299595197 and full play through: www.twitch.tv/videos/1299598428

[@josuazeroo2011]

That was a blast! But too bad I was feel asleep mid stream haha. It was 1AM in my place when the stream start

[@WatchItPlayed]

Very understandable :)

[@L.CROSS0]

Thank you for the stream! And thanks for making these games easier to understand.

[@WatchItPlayed]

If you're interested, we later did a consolidated teach on Twitch: www.twitch.tv/videos/1299595197 and a full play through: www.twitch.tv/videos/1299598428?collection=QwXnUZPvVRcqmA

[@EntroxLicher]

Hi Rodney! Long-time lurker and enjoyer of your fantastic tutorials. Really been enjoying all the new additions to the team over the last year too! It's been a fun mix of discovering new people (like Paula) and seeing familiar faces join the fold (like the Before You Play team). Thrilled to see you dabble in the solo side of board games a bit lately (my usual niche), like with Paula's gameplay and with this behemoth! Never heard of the COIN series before, and this video inspired me to take the plunge and explore it. I ended up starting with Andean Abyss rather than Cuba Libre due to a stronger connection to the theme. It's been a ton of fun, very enjoyable solo. I also discovered a lack of quality mods on TTS for a lot of the COIN series (TTS is my main method of gaming with my group these days), so I set about to change that. I've spent the past week or so perfecting a highly-scripted version of Andean Abyss (steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2476169802), and will probably move on to Cuba Libre next, and we'll see where it goes from there. Just wanted to tip my hat to you, say thanks for another solid recommendation, and offer up the services of my mod if it is useful to you or any others who stumble upon it. Cheers!

[@WatchItPlayed]

So glad to hear you've been enjoying the COIN games too :) I have Andean Abyss set up to play next (I've now played 5 games of Cuba Libre since this stream and absolutely love it).

[@DeyaViews]

Seeing someone making COIN game mods for TTS is wonderful to see! Wargames have been a genre of games I've been wanting to play more for a long time, but it's so difficult to find online platforms to play them on. TTS has very few of them as mods, and I haven't found any on Tabletopia or BoardGameArena. So I want to thank you for the link to your mod!

[@EntroxLicher]

@@DeyaViews That’s very kind, thank you for your kind words! I’m happy it’s been of use to you!

[@MrTroxel]

This was really great! I couldn't join the live because of my work schedule but I loved this archive of it. I hope y'all do more, even if there's significant time between them.

[@WatchItPlayed]

Hey, so nice to know you liked this experiment!

[@capt_von_ondine5962]

Wish I had caught the full play through. Good job guys. One comment on the full play, at the 2:30:00 mark Matthew does a Civic Action that should not have been allowed. The Govt didn't have full control in Las Villas. You caught yourselves every other time but that one seemed to slip through.

[@WatchItPlayed]

Are you talking about here, or on Twitch?

[@capt_von_ondine5962]

@@WatchItPlayed Sorry, I meant during the Twitch full play through when the 4 of you were playing (I didn't know how to leave a comment there). It didn't affect the outcome of the game. At the next Propaganda card Naveen does an Agitation and reverses what Matthew did with the improper Civic Action.

[@melkoinenveikko1286]

I have been thinking about Game of Thrones themed COIN game. Absolutely loving this game system. Btw. Thanks for the stream.

[@WatchItPlayed]

Yeah, I could see that theme working in a system like this!

[@zafnibb]

Oh i loved to see this. I think that I would really enjoy playing coin games, I’ve even bought Gandhi. But unfortunately I doubt I’ll ever be able to persuade anyone to play them with me.

[@WatchItPlayed]

My first games were solo (playing all 4 factions), and it was an excellent way to learn - maybe you could enjoy it that way in the meantime (I now have Gandhi too, and can't wait to try it!)

[@VonChoker]

A coin game based on the Expanse book series universe would be fantastic

[@WatchItPlayed]

It's not The Expanse, but a sci-fi based COIN game is in the works: www.gmtgames.com/p-893-red-dust-rebellion.aspx

[@MidnightCarp]

Just a brilliant resource to learn this game - thank you.

[@WatchItPlayed]

Thanks Carp - I hope you get a chance to playa and enjoy diving in!

[@TonyStrongman]

Hey, great stream, I'm glad I found it as I find myself trying to learn Cuba Libre! Oddly enough it is also the 6th July today :D

[@WatchItPlayed]

If you enjoyed this, you might enjoy our follow up video, where I do a live teach of the game, and then we do a full play through. Teach: www.twitch.tv/videos/1299595197 Play: www.twitch.tv/videos/1299598428

[@TonyStrongman]

@@WatchItPlayed thankyou. I’ll queue them up :) I’m two hours in to this stream so far 👍

[@TonyStrongman]

I finished the learn together stream - absolutely epic!! over 6 hours of really good information for someone trying to learn the game themselves i.e. ME! thankyou. I also watched the first Twitch vod and that was another hour of really well thought out teaching of the game by mainly Rodney. Absolutely remarkable, thankyou again! I'm now watching the 4 hour playthough Twitch vod and am an hour in so far - very interesting play so far, Matthew getting absolutely picked on directly or indirectly... no pity though I know what the government was up to while the insurgents played with "his" country! :)

[@WatchItPlayed]

So nice to know you're finding these helpful!

[@FabioSpelta]

The only issue I have with this video is the significant difference in volume between the two speakers. Either I could hear Rodney clear and could barely listen to Matthew's words, or I could hear the latter and having my ear drums amputated when Rodney did talk

[@WatchItPlayed]

Sorry about that - you might enjoy our updated teach and play through here: www.twitch.tv/videos/1299595197 www.twitch.tv/videos/1299598428

I really enjoyed this "live learning". Normally I don't like when the OP doesn't master his subject.

[@WatchItPlayed]

This was certainly more of a limited experiment :) Glad you enjoyed! If you'd like to see the more compressed teach, we recently posted a live teach and play over the course of these 2 videos on Twitch: Teach: www.twitch.tv/videos/1299595197 Play: www.twitch.tv/videos/1299598428

[@viktorkm]

I really like this format! Here are two tips on other games you could try in this method! Freezing Death Finnish Winter war by Lindenlake games. Its a very easy wargame with only 6(?) pages of rule, really a super good introduction to CDG wargame (Twilight Struggle, Watergate, Paths of Glory, Hannibal etc). And then if you want s follow up game using the same game system (CDG) but want to make it slightly more advance, there is a new game ”Brotherhood & Unity” with 12-pages of rules and 3 player (very unique for CDG). Both of these games I think you guys would easily learn on a livestream! These kind of games always comes with alot of history information which make them excellent to also increase once knowledge about these historical events! :)

[@WatchItPlayed]

Matthew was checking out Brotherhood in Unity recently! Since this stream I've played Cuba Libre 5 times, and an currently playing Andean Abyss, A Distant Plain and Colonial Twilight. Simultaneously. I have fallen quite hard for this game...

[@viktorkm]

@@WatchItPlayed wow! :) Great to hear you enjoy them! Have Matthiew made a video about it?

[@WatchItPlayed]

@@viktorkm I believe it's in one of our 10 top tens, but I don't remember which one :)

[@KSweeney36]

Question, was loads raised for Nibcard?

[@WatchItPlayed]

Over $400 CAD was raised!

[@KSweeney36]

@@WatchItPlayed Finally watched it all over a few days. It was great. For my idea of what would make a good coin game would be the Spanish Civil War 1936 -1939 not only the two sides, also a lot of foreign involvement involved

[@WatchItPlayed]

@@KSweeney36 So glad you enjoyed! Thanks for joining us on the rest of the adventure!

[@aaronstark5060]

1:15:12. Rumor has it that the character of Johnny Fontane in The Godfather was based on Sinatra. It was never been confirmed or denied by Mario Puzo,

[@WatchItPlayed]

Interesting!

[@mikewilcox4346]

I have All Bridges Burning, but have never played it as like you I was a bit put off by the rulebook. I want to learn the system and thank you for doing this. Is there a group online that you can join to play perhaps by Vassel? Do you play by PBEM?

[@WatchItPlayed]

I play by video. Taking turns with friends sending videos back and forth to each other for our turns - that said, if you haven't already, you may which to subscribe to our Twitch channel, because sometime in the next few weeks I'm going to give a consolidated, live teach of Cuba Libre now that I have a good understanding of it, and then we're all going to play. I think this could be a very handy way of understanding the COIN system.

[@mikewilcox4346]

@@WatchItPlayed Will do. Thanks.

[@syahidali6125]

may I suggest "Time of Crisis" next.

[@WatchItPlayed]

I do want to learn that!

[@TheLEHaskell1]

@@WatchItPlayed TOC is much more "eurofamiliar", but still nicely "wargamey".

[@Landdogger]

here to learn the game!

[@WatchItPlayed]

Hi Charlie, you might enjoy these two videos, where a few months later, with the rules fully absorbed into my brain, I did a concise teach: www.twitch.tv/videos/1299595197 And then we did a full play through: www.twitch.tv/videos/1299598428

[@wmarclocher]

Oh c'mon Watch It Played, can't you make a quick 30 minute exhaustive video on how to play a COIN game? Just kidding, this appears to be the "simplest" of a very complex game system and really took a while to get my head around and although I love it, I find my experience in this hobby has taken me into the deep end of the pool. Tackling Voidfall next. Thanks for all you've done.

[@WatchItPlayed]

Well, I have a simpler one for ya! Cuba Libre Live Teach: www.twitch.tv/videos/1299595197 Cuba Libre Live Play: www.twitch.tv/videos/1299598428 Also, keep an eye out for a new COIN tutorial right here on the KZbin video (in the traditional format).

[@wmarclocher]

@@WatchItPlayed Thanks that helps a lot.

[@wmarclocher]

@@WatchItPlayed Wow! Thanks for sharing those vids, cleared up so much. Didn't know you could attack with guerillas that were already active and I always wondered during a Rally what would stop you from adding a base where you just rallied new troops, and now I know you can't because you would be doing two Ops in the same space.

[@WatchItPlayed]

@@wmarclocherSo glad it was helpful!

[@iansanderson2567]

It's an interesting why to learn play. We just handed out the play sheets and started to play after just skim reading the rules. There where 4 of us and it was fire in the sky, payed me year. Then started again.

[@Karak-Fak]

Just bought the game based only on this video. I need to tell GMT!

[@WatchItPlayed]

Please do! I've been playing Cuba Libre quite a bit since this video. It's set up currently, and a friend and I are playing remotely sending each other our turns through little video clips :)

[@Karak-Fak]

@@WatchItPlayed like the old days of chess through the mail 😀. I also just bought Colonial Struggle. Strictly 2-player COIN. That one is next. Again many thanks from Melbourne, Australia.

[@WatchItPlayed]

@@Karak-Fak A pleasure! I hope you have as much fun with these as I've been having!

[@FrazelBrazel]

Yikes! There went 6 hours of my life…. When’s the next COIN vid? Y’all convinced me to purchase Cuba Libre, and I threw in Fire in the Lake for good measure.

[@WatchItPlayed]

I just personally wrapped a game of Falling Sky. It's been quite a journey since this video. Only have All Bridges Burning and Pendragon left to try :) If you want to see the tutorial we recorded later and a full live play of Cuba Libre, we have those here on Twitch: Teach: www.twitch.tv/videos/1299595197 Play: www.twitch.tv/videos/1299598428

[@FrazelBrazel]

@@WatchItPlayed That's perfect! thanks for the links! One final question, which of the ones that you've played has been your favourite?

[@WatchItPlayed]

@@FrazelBrazel I tend to avoid giving personalized recommendations. What I like, someone else might not - but I believe Cuba Libre is the most approachable for a first time COIN player.

[@mcgowanpw]

Why am I watching this? I am not interested in playing COIN games... I enjoy a Rum and Coke also known as a "Cuba Libre" but not enough to try and theme a whole day around that drink... I guess I must really enjoy Matthew and Rodney?

[@WatchItPlayed]

I hope so - because you'll get a lot of us :)

[@benstylus]

Coming to this after the fact, I'll say I feel more intimidated about learning COIN games based solely on the length of this video. 6+ hours just to learn it? Tempted to skip to the end and see if you were successful. Rodney, would you ever forgive me if I did?

[@WatchItPlayed]

Of course! Watch as little or as much as you like!

[@janoshunyadi2]

@@paulhamrick3943 I disagree. COIN games are not nearly as dry as most eurogames - in fact, they are full of theme. Nor are they detailed simulations in the same way as more complex wargames. I would characterise COIN games as a great blend of eurogame and wargames mechanics with a rich historical (or contemporary) theme.

[@janoshunyadi2]

@@paulhamrick3943 That's a different topic, but I don't agree with you on that either. The general rules for Cuba Libre are of comparable complexity to a heavy eurogame. There are also the four sets of faction-specific rules, which adds to the length of the rulebook and (arguably) the overall complexity of the game. But no more so than some heavy euros with asymmetrical factions such as Gaia Project. The gameplay, on the other hand, may be more involving because there are more player options and more interactions than in most heavy euros. I do agree that separate scoring tracks would be very useful.

[@janoshunyadi2]

@@paulhamrick3943 I'm wondering on what basis you think the rules of Cuba Libre are more complex than heavy euros? If it's because you struggled to learn Cuba Libre - I struggled to learn COIN games too. But I think that's not because of any inherent complexity, but because they are so different to other games I know. I can pick up the rules, and learn to competently play, most heavy euros very quickly because I'm already familiar with the mechanics and types interactions from many dozens of other heavy eurogames. I find Vital Lacerda's games significantly more difficult to learn than other heavy euros - again, I think that's because they are so different to other games. The rules of e.g. Lisboa or On Mars are not difficult, and playing a player turn is simple. What is difficult is figuring out how your actions/choices interact with each other and with those of other players. COIN games feel similar to me in this respect.

[@MrGooglyEyes.]

It's basically "do thing." "Thing done" dictates next player's options Every "thing done" somehow indirectly/directly messes with someone else. There's also the part where you argue over the esoteric nature of the word "is" for about an hour. COIN™ To me, the hardest part about learning COIN games is the format in which actions / rules are written. They're worth it though, and the solitaire play is second to none. Especially in more recent titles like Pendragon.

[@justforfunflowers8001]

See children learning can be fun. . .

[@WatchItPlayed]

Right?! After this we actually did a much more condensed teach and then a full play through! Teach: www.twitch.tv/videos/1299595197 Play: www.twitch.tv/videos/1299598428

[@henribcosta]

I'm watching the stream in parts, taking my time. I'm enjoying the format, but man, you're killing the Spanish language :P

[@WatchItPlayed]

Very , VERY sorry about that. As a native English speaker I have not had a lot of experience with Spanish (mostly French), so I probably botched so much of it.

[@henribcosta]

@@WatchItPlayed Hehe it was only a joke. I only speak a little spanish, not fluent nor close to it... but have a little knowaladge on the pronounciation. That's not a problem at all, you're not supposed to know everything, right? it was just weird to hear haha

[@docteurslump5517]

PROPAGANDA ! Awesome learning stream :)

[@WatchItPlayed]

Thank you! We have a more condensed teach and a full 4 player play through on our saved Twitch channel videos, if you’d like to see even more of the game there.

[@oxGAMERPROxo]

WOW this is a long video!

[@WatchItPlayed]

Yes! Quite a unique little experiment :)

[@beekayboy]

@@WatchItPlayed if it's unique, that mean that you will never do that again ? :P

[@WatchItPlayed]

@@beekayboy Hard to say! I enjoyed the experience, but I would want to know that it's some thing people would want more of.

[@KSweeney36]

@@WatchItPlayed Yes, it was long and awesome watching. But if you are worried about the length. If you cut out all that talking it’s half the length. Not saying you would. It’s great for it. Just if it was pure rules, wouldn’t be as long.