Watchmen (Zack Snyder 2009) - Caravan Of Garbage

Before Damon Lindelof brought his Watchmen sequel to HBO Zack Snyder tackled seemingly the impossible with an adaption of Alan Moore's Watchmen in 2009. Ten years on does it still hold up? In many ways yes but in some ways no. This is out Caravan Of Garbage review, thanks for watching.
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[@harrymonnoyer1269]

no Tim Burton was considering having Johnny Depp as every character lets be realistic

[@brokensaint8177]

I think he wanted Helena Bonham Carter to play Johnny Depp playing all the roles

[@keithriley6597]

That would have been a better film. Snyder screws up every comic he touches.

[@thetramp123]

Pretty sure you're confusing him with Michael Joseph Jackson being considered to play every role.

[@chrundle00]

You're confused, Michael Jackson was actually slated for every role

[@nosomusk864]

Broken saint A stop motion puppet of a undead Helen Bonham Carter playing Johnny Depp playing every character as well as most of the scenery and props.

[@bacsilva]

The Killing Joke animation deserves the Caravan of Garbage treatment.

[@johnw9771]

B. Catão Definitely

[@bigstunna2049]

It was truly garbage

[@LuxBellator92]

That film was so disappointing. Way more than Watchmen.

[@bigstunna2049]

@Bea r the first 20 minutes of the movie is a made up story they added just about batgirl and batman and her have sex it dosent fit in the story and ruins the rest of the movie

[@registradus]

@Bea r because it's garbage

[@k1ngk4gl3]

Fun Fact: David Hayter [known for being the voice of Solid Snake in the Metal Gear franchise] wrote a scriptment for Watchmen, though he set it in modern times. The filmmakers must've liked it because he still has a writing credit [which means they used enough of it]. Anyway, Alan Moore once said that Hayter's version was the closest he thought anyone could get to adapting Watchmen. Which is like...the most positive thing I think I've heard from him, despite being a totally neutral statement.

[@reecedisney4242]

You should definitely do the animated “The Killing Joke” film

[@genghiskhanxxx5276]

I absolutely need to hear masos take on that garbage joke of a film

[@Axolotl_Mischief]

@@genghiskhanxxx5276 Yeah that adaptation was hugely disappointing.

[@genghiskhanxxx5276]

@@Axolotl_Mischief I was really looking forward to it but as soon as batman and batgirl have sex I was like wtf were they thinking

[@westnile21]

The scenes that were taken right from the comic itself was really good but all the extra shit that they added like the heavy Batgirl storyline and the fact that her and Bats had sex really ruined it from being a great animated film.

[@genghiskhanxxx5276]

@@westnile21 the scenes from the comic felt a bit rushed I thought, which can easily be blamed on them spending half the film on the batgirl story

[@JohnStratman]

That trivia bit was fantastic, with the stock music and all.

[@Getwright-]

I seriously want it for ever caravan now.

[@mrsundaymovies]

That was all Ben!

[@user-gw3bs2in5i]

Ben is the GOAT

[@themanofconstantsorrowelia1929]

Can we just take a second to appreciate the song "the times are changing"

[@abdullahzafar4401]

The Man of Constant Sorrow Elias A second wouldn’t do it justice.

[@keithriley6597]

That song is the reason I refused to watch it the first time. Bob Dylan's voice is sooo irritating. I tried again later and skipped it.

[@TheGumdropButton]

The sound direction of this movie was great. And we got that cool My Chemical Romance cover too.

[@themanofconstantsorrowelia1929]

@@keithriley6597 ...what is wrong with you?

[@abdullahzafar4401]

Keith Riley What ....? 😳 , hmmmmmm okey 😐. No offence.

[@martianmilktvofficial]

this movie made me realise that whilst zac snyder isnt a great story teller, he is an amazing visual director

[@ruthielalastor2209]

True. He's really good at dissecting a grand singular event and putting focus on the iconic elements in it. He shows you details that you'll remember years down the line.

[@SA80TAGE]

Why do people say stuff like that... you know movies have writers, right? David Hayter and Alex Tse were the story tellers... it's just the directors job to translate that story to the visual medium, which is exactly what Snyder does, and does well. If you have a problem with Man of Steel, blame Goyer and Nolan as they were the writers. If you have a problem with BvS, Blame Goyer and Terrio.... SNYDER DOES NOT WRITE THESE STORIES. Idiots don't even understand how the industry works.

[@bS0up]

True, but I don't think his visual style, while fantastic, suits a story like Watchmen. He portrays the characters as being way too superhuman and the action is filmed in a way to make it look less grounded. It doesn't really work well with the story Allan Moore told. I'd rather he took more liberties with the property and made an adaptation with changes that better suited his style of filmmaking and personal philosophy. As the video suggests, there are plenty of changes to the source material he wanted to make but didn't. Would be interested in seeing that alternate universe version of the film, even if it was overall worst than the original comic.

[@trentonnewman9683]

Samur/Aye Not to be that guy, but I don’t think you fully grasp how movies work either. While it’s true not all directors write screenplays, and Zach Snyder doesn’t write his own, the screenplay is the element with the least respect given to it when it comes to a film. Some directors adhere very closely to the screenplay, some directors throw the whole thing out entirely. Some directors have a hand in the screenplay some don’t. In the end, the director has final call on literally every element of the film. This is how Zach Snyder damaged Man of Steel. The screenplay for Man of Steel isn’t god awful, but it all gets mangled in the edit. If the scenes had been placed in chronological order, the movie would have been a lot better. The constant flashbacks mess with the movie’s flow and also the movie answers the question “will Clark be Superman” before it even asks it. Zach Snyder also should have known to either cut the Pa Kent telling Clark to hide his powers or given that enough screen time to explore this version of Superman, but he didn’t. Zach Snyder had control over the editing of that film and he mangled it. Because a director has final say in the final version a film, barring studio interference, the movie exists in the form it does because of directorial choices, and yes that includes the screenplay. If the screenplay sucks and the director leaves the screenplay as it is, that’s the director’s fault, since they should have known better. It’s the same if the screenplay is great and the director mangled it. Zach Snyder would be a fantastic cinematographer, but he can’t seem to wrap his head around how to actually tell a story.

[@ThreadBomb]

​@@SA80TAGE I generally agree. The problems with Snyder's films are usually in the script. And although he has a couple of screenwriting credits, it seems that what he does is suggest ideas, then the actual writer does the script. A lot of problems with BvS are due to the writing, not to the ideas (just pay attention to Luthor's dialog and wonder how _anyone_ could have made it work). In some of Snyder's films he's arguably emphasised the visuals at the expense of the story, but when I saw BvS I was actually surprised at how toned-down it was. I expected it to be a lot more spectacular. With Man of Steel, I think the main problem is lack of balance in the script. For a start, it needed to lighten up in the middle, to give the audience a chance to relax before the bombastic action recommenced. Also, the final fight should really have had more human interest - it fell into "blockbuster movie syndrome" where it was spectacular but dull.

[@ClassicGameFire]

Imagine in an alt universe theres a “Michael Bay’s Watchmen” and possibly “Zack Snyder’s Transformers”

[@forest8779]

Really don’t think they would be that different, Zach Snyder is super hero Michael bay

[@emiliofigueroa9789]

@@forest8779 holy shit, you are so right.

[@thabreez456]

@@forest8779 No man they are pretty dang different. For one Zack snyder has a better visual style and Zack Snyder also tries different things with his movies. And women aren't eye candy in his movies.

[@random-jn8ec]

@@thabreez456 meanwhile Bay has better movies. Bad boys 1 and 2 were excellent. The Rock is a masterpiece in the action thriller genre. Transformers 1 and 2 were good. The Island was decent. 13 hours is fucking good. These are some of them. And Zack has only 300 as a good movie. All others are below average ones. I cannot even include aotd as a movie. It is a cheap fan animation parody of Zack movies for me.

[@TheBlarggle]

You'd get a nutsack joke in Watchmen and (attempts at) Biblical allegory in Transformers.

[@austinvoelker9270]

Man, I love that opening Bob Dylan Montage!

[@scragar]

I find it a shame how no one mentions how the blowing up the cities hits so much harder in the comics because the backstory is always told through the newstand which feels like just a framing device for the whole series until at the end you see the corpses and realise you actually cared about them even though they were fairly inconsequential characters you'd probably forget to even mention if you were telling someone else the plot. I know they couldn't have made that work in the movie, but I honestly just didn't feel the same sort of drop in the gut hearing about the deaths of multiple cities when I know there's no connection to anyone in those cities. I actually kind of prefer the squid for that reason, the squid leaves identifiable corpses and scenery so the showing of the newstand can hit home, blowing up the entire city wouldn't. It may be a stretch believability wise, but the whole scene in the comics sticks with me in a way that the movie doesn't.

[@HAL_NOVEMILA]

Despite its flaws I love this movie, the opening credits still give me chills (mostly thanks to Bob Dylan's amazing song)

[@keinphone5860]

AZ

[@christoferprestipino7433]

There are no flaws, it’s a masterpiece by all objective measures.

[@HAL_NOVEMILA]

@@christoferprestipino7433 it deviated too much from the source material...

[@christoferprestipino7433]

@@HAL_NOVEMILA stfu

[@HAL_NOVEMILA]

@@christoferprestipino7433 No need to be aggressive, I already said that I think it is a great movie, but it is a fact that it changes a lot from the comic. You saying to me to shut up won't change that

[@11Bbq]

It's so interesting coming back to this after finding out that WB wanted to change a lot about the movie and Zack only did it because he didn't want a worse version made. He was trying to put comic elements back in. Weird how we got that wrong assuming WB gave a shit about their comics. 🤷‍♂️

[@thomasthellamas9886]

11 bang bang

[@Levyathyn]

Yeah but, remember how when the movie lost money, Zack Snyder changed his tune completely. Maybe not about Watchmen, but his film body of work for DC has been two parallels: him getting more and more control over every aspect of the films he makes, and the movies being less faithful, and shittier as a result.

[@whitespyder9]

Alan Moore has had his name removed from the credits of every adaptation of his work, not just Watchmen.

[@HOTD108_]

I don't blame the guy.

[@GNerdful]

He is still credited on the justice league unlimited episode "For the Man who has everything"

[@munjee2]

@@GNerdfulto be fair, that is the best adaptation of his works

[@Jgt612]

@@GNerdful reckon it’s cause he’s quite fond of that one adaptation

[@jonathansoko1085]

Not just movies, many comics too. Marvel bought the rights to his 80s run of MiracleMan stories and republished them with Marvel on the cover (LOL) and Alan moore said nah fam take my name off that. So it just says "original author".

[@Syntax1990]

You should do a Caravan of Garbage of "Battlefield Earth" with John Travolta, that was horrendous.

[@sesh1749]

it's made by scientologists soooo

[@anubusx]

Even before you could spell your name!!!!

[@joshuareynolds23]

It's not a bad movie it has bad elements that drag it down but it has always felt like an homage to early 50's sci-fi.

[@hellojari07]

fr

[@darrellcovello7917]

WITH ENDLESS OPTIONS FOR RENEWAL

[@tomatooverlord2764]

Quick correction: Rorshach's mask actually *did* change in the original comic, because it had been made using scientific techniques learned from Dr. Manhattan.

[@diablojones]

Manhattan made a dress with the material. It was supposed to be for Kitty Genovese but as she was killed, Walter ended up with it. Eventually he learned how to cut it using heat.

[@backgroundtakeaway]

Ozymandias in the book: Humanity is bringing itself to the edge of extinction because of our drive to create an "other". My plan is to create a "bigger other", one far more existentially threatening than any human, in order to force humanity to cooperate. Movie Ozymandias: Uh, what if I uh, fuckin' uh, made Dr. Manhattan the bigger other??? Why wouldn't this simply position the USA, who created Dr. Manhattan, as the bigger other, you might ask? Who cares!

[@ChipCain]

‘Put your Dong away mate’ 😂

[@billyloper4072]

I love this movie, but the single greatest rub is that Alan Moore would NEVER call Ozymandias the bad guy. Their all the bad guys.

[@ChrisLawton66]

Watchmen as a comic was revolutionary and game-changing. Watchmen as a film was ok.

[@scudthedisposableassasin1775]

The guy who did Rorschach is one of the best movie character adaptations along with heath Ledger's joker and hugh Jackman wolverine

[@aaronvaunts41]

And JK Simmons as J Jonah Jameson 🙌

[@andrewkaye2108]

Rorschach was played by Jackie Earle Haley, who was a child actor in the 70's. His most well known role was Kelly Leek in the Bad News Bears series of fims in the 70's

[@guycoburn1633]

@@andrewkaye2108 He also played "The Terror" in Amazon's remake of the Tick a few years ago.

[@TheMrKlump]

Still in my top 3 favorite comic book movies.

[@alejandrovillalba3143]

Love the Killing Joke pic 👍👍👍👍

[@nosomusk864]

When you’re in the position to sell the movie rights to a story you created, you should take care of being involved in the movies production, otherwise you can’t expect the adaptation to resemble what you want it to be like. I like the graphic novel and the movie and I think as long as you don’t try to see the movie less as a direct adaptation and more as a interpretation, they both got their strengths. You just can’t perfectly convert a book (especially a comic book) into a movie if it isn’t written with this change of media in mind.

[@LorenzoDoesntExist]

He doesn't have a vision for what it would be like because he's insistent that adaptation of his work is impossible.

[@SuperpanFilms]

Moore is probably most upset about the rights situation because DC promised him and Gibbons the Watchmen rights when the comics fell out of print. They then used it to launch the modern graphic novel industry so it never fell out of print.

[@SomeRandomJackAss]

Akira Toriyama could tell you that from first-hand experience.

[@nolastname]

It's a mistake, Moore doesn't have the rights. WB/DC Comics own Watchmen, Moore has just the right to a cut as creator and he rejected it for the movie leaving all the credits to the artist.

[@ankanchoudhury8433]

Even if you see the film as its own creation it is still fucking stupid. Rorschach a clearly demented fascist is portrayed as the hero and thought of the World uniting especially the Soviets when supposedly an American hero/ government agent killed millions of people all over the planet is simply laughable. It would be like if Navy Seal Team 6 flew over new York and Moscow, dropping atomic bombs and the Russians will be like "hey let's join forces with America because it is not at all their fault."

[@BOKtober]

Really like this movie, pretty underrated imo

[@bickle8931]

Dr Unemployed naw....

[@roycastanon5754]

Dylan Rodrigues yaw

[@ianprettymuchme]

Overrated* by 15 year old edgelords

[@Kryynism]

I loved it, still watch it occasionally and always enjoy it.

[@ThreadBomb]

I quite liked it as a movie. Only thing that really ruined it for me was that dumb gag at the end of spilling ketchup on the smiley face badge.

[@Jedi_Spartan_38]

2 caravan of garbage suggestions: 1) An old star wars game or the Emperor's resurrection in Dark Empire for this film or Jedi: Fallen Order. 2) Hulked Out Heroes from Marvel for She Hulk or something. #weeklyplanetpod

[@ElMoShApPiNeSs]

Easily Zack Snyder's best movie.

[@Thespeedrap]

His only good one after 300 I wish DCEU hadn't put in charge of everything thought

[@jeffii9890]

Second...after _Sucker Punch._ Fight me!

[@travisspazz1624]

Dawn of the Dead easily, but greatly helped by James Gunn's script.

[@j.k.1239]

He only works in movies where he don't have much creative output. So, Don't let him anywhere near creative department.

[@j.k.1239]

@Nic Rock It was ok and BvS, JL were garbage.

[@petwisk2012]

11:00 i think this kind of imagery can get you demonetised

[@DeadpoolAndFriends]

I had to go back to make sure i saw what i thought i did. I some how totally missed it in the movie.

[@Morgil27]

Holy shit

[@CarlosBerumenO]

That... And 9:15 maybe?

[@Mentocthemindtaker]

Dick.

[@Axolotl_Mischief]

The Director's Cut is spectacular.

[@streetrat48]

Yes it is. The Black Freighter really adds weight to the entire story.

[@njikolai]

@@streetrat48 that's the Ultimate Cut, not the DC

[@domphilbrick]

Atom Manhattan I honestly prefer the theatrical cut. It feels more efficient with its runtime

[@blyzer7373]

@@streetrat48 Literally adds nothing when he didn't even put the squid in it.

[@streetrat48]

@@blyzer7373 For you I guess lol

[@LetsTakeWalk]

Actually, the “No capes” rule in the Incredibles was because at the time, capes were incredibly (heh) difficult to simulate and render realistically.

[@MaxIronsThird]

Nope, The Incredibles is Watchmen for kids.

[@NameGoesWhere0]

Syndrome had a cape in all of his scenes though

[@Edeinawc]

@@NameGoesWhere0 How many scenes did he have compared to putting capes on everyone? Think buddy, think.

[@StarDragonJP]

"I'm not locked in here with you, YOU'RE LOCKED IN HERE WITH ME"

[@Luke101]

This movie has my favorite opening title sequence of all time. It’s just perfection. So artistic while also providing so much backstory and extra storytelling

[@acekeianar]

I love how Rorschach screams "Give me back my face". My favorite minutia to the mask being his identity.

[@mcnultyssobercompanion6372]

I liked "Sweeney Todd". I like Snyder's adaptation of "Watchmen" very much. Did not expect to. I was nuclear-level skeptical. But I was pleasantly surprised. Except I believe pretty strongly he should have gone with the squid. If done correctly that could have been a remarkable image.

[@MotaShotta]

I hated Sweeney Todd so much. I was expecting a horror movie, not a musical

[@unhelpfulrevelations7989]

Ye, i never understood why everyone minded the squid. The idea of humanity uniting against aliens is a pretty damn accessible concept - i mean, look at movies like independence day. It's hella easy to understand

[@bratzboi]

@@MotaShotta well that's on you then for not doing proper research because it was very obvious it was based of the famous broadway musical. they never tried to hide it was a musical. that's like saying you're disappointed that a star wars movie has lightsaber fights. its a part of the source material. plus, just because its a musical doesn't mean it still isn't a horror movie. its still the only movie musical with enough gore and murders to be considered a slasher film so its not like those genres are mutually exclusive.

[@danieloneal7137]

@@MotaShotta The musical has been around for 40 years, so that’s kind of your fault. I thought it was a good adaptation.

[@MotaShotta]

@@danieloneal7137 I was a 16 year old European kid that had never even heard of Broadway and that despised musicals. And the trailer made it look like a creepy horror movie, so how was I supposed to know? I'm still convinced the movie would be so much better without all the stupid singing.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

_"As intelligent men facing lunatic times, we were very alike, despising each other instantly. Recognizing me, he attacked anyway, 'Mistaking me for a criminal.'"_ *- Ozymandias*

[@jesusstaccato8448]

man I googled this quote and your comment is the only result. What are you quoting?

[@Brandonhung95]

Hey, you're that guy that kept commenting "Kiss me fat boy" back when IT Chapter 2 came out.

[@FairFuse]

@@jesusstaccato8448 It's from Chapter 11 of the graphic novel

[@albertoperusquia6044]

@@jesusstaccato8448 ozymandias Is telling how he met the comedian for the first time.

[@Shagadelic487]

I first saw this movie when I was like 15 and just getting back into comics so I had no prior conception of what Watchmen should be. Instead of thinking, "this sucks compared to the comic" my reaction was "this is amazing! I can't wait to read the original". Which is kind of funny because Alan Moore hates having his work adapted but this movie led me to his comics and now he's my favorite writer.

[@logandh2]

Probably Snyder’s best movie

[@hollandscottthomas]

I'd argue for "Dawn of the Dead", but also, yeah, probably this.

[@krovarus1911]

Personally prefer 300 and Man of Steel but Watchmen is quite enjoyable as well

[@ThreadBomb]

I'd say Dawn of the Dead, just because it has no real weak points. Everything after that is of mixed quality.

[@logandh2]

ECKohns Wait what that was him? I saw it when it came out and remember absolutely nothing about it

[@MoeFokah]

Yea.... Dawn of the Dead is PERFECT!

[@PhelesDragon]

Personally, shotgunning the novel and then the movie was the perfect experience for me. I was going to skip the movie altogether, but a friend of mine was like "dude, read the book." I did, then saw the movie in theaters some weeks later and was blown away. Yeah, it's not perfect, but as a moving representation of a static comic of God-tier proportions, I think it's a stellar experience.

[@owlyus]

For the Shining sequel, you guys gotta do the 1997 Shining miniseries

[@anubusx]

Despite being closer to the novel the miniseries was pretty bad.

[@aidanrogers4438]

I don’t think the squid would’ve workedwell in the film. There are separate pieces in the comic book that hint to the squid, that aren’t a part of the actual story, like people going missing (who were taken to work on the project), and a dead psychic’s brain. Dr Manhattan still leaves at the end of the comic so they just cut the squid out because Manhattan still leaves, but just for a different reason now. And I think Alan Moore is a pretentious person, and James is right, if he didn’t want films made of his work, he shouldn’t have sold the rights.

[@laurocoman]

Yeah, the guy is too cynic to compromise and produce a film with someone else, but he was too greedy to pass on the money for the rights? That's bs.

[@Axolotl_Mischief]

Yeah they still achieve the same result, I was totally fine with it 😎👍

[@TheGumdropButton]

The movie would have been like 5 hours long with the squid stuff. Lol.

[@inkblotinsnow6305]

I also think Alan Moore is a pretentious person, but considering he's turned down money for being credited in films like Watchman and he's refused to sell film rights to the stuff he owns in the last 15 year, I would hardly call him greedy.

[@munromister777]

1) Comic writers as well as most animation creators don't get a lot of rights. They usually get paid once, and then the rest of the money for reprints and such go to the bigger company. 2) It was in Moore's contract that the rights of Watchmen returned to him once it went of out reprint, but DC has constantly reprinted the book, screwing him out of the money and rights he deserves. 3) People have to live and get money, so of course he's gonna sell the rights, but that doesn't mean he doesn't get a say in how it turns out. The Percy Jackson movies are infamous for being bad, but does Rick Riordan selling the rights make him not able to comment on how bad those movies are?

[@thatcleverchick1182]

Zack Snyder only makes a good movie when he's got an amazing storyboard, AKA comic, to follow. He should have been a visual director, and that's it. The squid ending makes more sense because it's supposed to bring the Earth together against a common outside threat. If Dr. Manhattan, America's greatest weapon, is the cause of the destruction, why would the USSR want to unite with us? That would just drive all the other countries to form an alliance against the US.

[@The_Drewid]

I'd love a look at The Killing Joke. I've never read the graphic novel, and after watching the animated movie I found it seriously lacking. The same goes for The Dark Knight Returns.

[@Vamoss39]

Go read the God Damn book you asshole. And TDKR was a great adaption.

[@walberparker7111]

The movie is shit, the dark knight returns is awesome

[@alejandrovillalba3143]

@@walberparker7111 How could it be shit if it is practically the exact same story?

[@walberparker7111]

@@alejandrovillalba3143 the whole barbara thing is not in the comic, and there is no batsex

[@THEAdmiralXizor]

The extended ("Ultimate") cut was pretty good, and faithful to the comic.

[@SB992REBORN]

The ultimate cut is great for fans but director is better for moviegoers and nostalgic fans.. theatrical is FiNEe

[@THEAdmiralXizor]

@@SB992REBORN I can dig it!

[@HOTD108_]

Faithful to the comic? Have you read the comic? The themes are totally different.

[@huh98]

I heard that Owlman wasn't based on Batman but based on the Ted Khord Blue Beetle. All the characters are based on old Charleton comic characters that DC had recently purchases.

[@bretsheeley4034]

Personally I prefer the Ultimate Cut with the comic segments. It felt weird the first time I watched it, but upon later viewings I got used to it, and I found it added to the overall experience. Now it's the only version I watch.

[@brianbenjamin653]

If I remember correctly, Alan Moore didn't sell the rights to DC flat out. The rights were suppose to revert to him after it goes out of print. He trusted them and didn't get a lawyer to read the fine print or to advise him. Watchmen was a huge success and never went out of print .

[@jeansalomon8225]

None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you. You're locked in here with me!

[@cameronbaker97]

6:56 what's kinda funny about that scene is even though those are bruce wayne's parents (without bruce wayne with them), if you look back at 6:54, in the top right corner, you can see batman comic covers on the wall.

[@Dill_Pickle5760]

This was the first rated R film I saw in the theater. I loved it, but my dad fell asleep 15 minutes into the film and didn’t wake up until it was over

[@michaelredford5389]

Knowing the format they use for these videos now, it's odd to hear about the box office earnings right off the bat and not even a mention of any cast members until almost half way through.

[@zachary5845]

I would actually argue that the directors cut of this movie makes it better.

[@MansLaughter365]

This movie was Zac Snyder's best masterpiece

[@Ha1frican]

I think the Ultimate Cut is the best version

[@carboy101]

What is up with Snyder and these extended cuts?

[@thestarkknightreturns]

@@carboy101 his vision keeps getting chopped in favour of more movie showings per day, cost-cutting policies and critic-pleasing pacing constraints.

[@Ha1frican]

Dr0pkidd well WB keeps chopping down his cuts so his full versions end up on the home releases. He originally wanted the full version so he has the animated Tales of the Black Freighter made and intercut with the live action, then he felt it didn’t quite work and was too long for the theatrical cut so he took it out, then WB cut out scenes in addition to that to get the theatrical cut. He included his “directors cut” which is the one he likes the best and then later released the ultimate cut for fans who wanted the full thing even though it wasn’t his intended version.

[@stuv1996]

12:52 that black freighter animation had been stuck in my head for years and I never knew where to find it, thank you Christ

[@f1nger605]

Zack Snyder thought Rorschach was the hero of the story.

[@janamejayadharmapuri4187]

Zach Snyder loved the bloodshed too much. The violence was too macabre for me to watch all the way through. Apparently that's something that differed significantly from the graphic novel where blood was used more sparingly to hit home the brutality of the violence

[@simonegreco1958]

He does seem to have some sort of violence fetish

[@Thespeedrap]

@@simonegreco1958 he must be a fan of Tarantino

[@simonegreco1958]

@@Thespeedrap Tarantino has more of an exaggerate fun violence Snyder's is just...kinda sick It's different, more glorified

[@sinisterkiid2301]

This is one of the top 5 comic book adaptations of all time

[@lex_rodriguez]

Settle down, now.

[@AntiLifeEquation1]

Settle down for what? Its the truth!

[@SAVANTI711]

Truth.. My opinion #1

[@AntiLifeEquation1]

@@SAVANTI711 Thats right!!!

[@DempseyPillot]

Funny and informative, as always! Makes me wonder if there’ll ever be another filmmaker that dares to try and make it work again. There is that old Kubrick saying after all, “If it could be written or thought, it can be filmed.”

[@paulyp8678]

You know the squid is a reaction to Regan’s “if a threat from another planet threatened us we’d come together right fast”. You know that RIGHT!

[@panelsandbars1529]

Synder’s track record is all over the place, but I’ll always defend this. I think he did the best he could with the material.

[@tylertuncer]

Panels And Bars honestly same here, I actually really like this film

[@modbz]

I actually saw the film first, loved it, then read the comic. And while I prefer the comic, I understand just how tricky a book it is to adapt, and while flawed, I think the film is a good adaptation. As for the squid thing, my beef is less that they swapped it out with Dr. Manhattan and more that Ozymandia's total genocide doesn't have nearly the same impact. We're desensitized to SFX, so a big blue explosion that just disintegrates everyone is nowhere near as effective as actually seeing the bodies littered in the streets.

[@stefanpp1155]

The clip from "Before Sunrise" was a nice touch

[@randomhero00758]

I say you guys should do Constantine and V For Vendetta! Love the channel guys

[@plkrtn]

Alan Moore created Rorschach to mock Ayn Rand objectivist thinking. And just like every film he's made, Snyder completely missed the point and tried to make him the hero of the piece.

[@ImInLoveWithBulla]

I’m still 90% sure that Jackie Earl Haley is a serial killer. It just sounds like such a serial killer name. Like Brian Earl Spillner.

[@chefcox5552]

Great reference a year later, God bless you.

[@jeffii9890]

Forgot to hide that glorious fake "D" at 9:14 LMAO

[@ellbent]

I downloaded “The Beginning is the End is the Beginning” by Smashing Pumpkins to SoundCloud and I still listen to it to this day. I feel like this song belongs in Watchmen, Arkham Asylum, Dark Knight, and Arkham City.

[@Sharklops]

The Watchmen HBO series ended up being so damn good. It's a great one to binge during lockdown if you haven't seen it yet

[@maxhydekyle2425]

I can't stand what they did to Dr. Manhattan

[@lwo7736]

I heard it was politically correct garbage?

[@krombabulusmichael]

@@maxhydekyle2425 you dont like blueface?

[@mojotheaverage]

This was a movie I loved.... until I read the graphic novel. You quickly realise that this movie basically gets every message the graphic novel presents wrong

[@carlosjavier771]

It's probably for the better tbh

[@Mr_Givik]

Hey, I just saw the upload today, been having a really shitty time recently, and your videos always cheer me up, keep up the good work m8.

[@The1MegaLoneWolf]

Music at 13:27 is Wii Curling by Gabriel Gundacker

[@oscarmccormack1611]

This movie is one of the best methods of adaptation I've ever seen. Like, seriously, I cannot imagine a better way to shorten Watchmen into two-and-a-half hours, keeping most of the amazing visuals, and nearly every plot point than this. However...the themes and characters were hit so hard in the process of adaptation that it brings the whole film so far down. So much of the nuance, point, and, frankly, edge was sanded off of all these characters, especially Rorshach and Ozymandious. And really, it feels like whoever wrote or edited this film didn't realize that the film as a whole was supposed to say that any kind of superheroism is an eventual negative for everyone. I'm not sure if Snyder wrote this movie, but a lot of it's flaws (namely, not understandingthe source material) would follow with him into his later films.

[@Amory-wd3ws]

There is an even more accurate version of the film in the “Ultimate Cut,” you get to see all the scenes at the newspaper stand as well as the entire “Tale of the Black Freighter” story inter spliced at the points where it was in the graphic novel. It’s a little long though, 3 hours and 35 minutes.

[@oscarmccormack1611]

@@Amory-wd3ws I've seen it. It still leaves out a lot of the actual character behind the people, although it does help Ozymandius a bit.

[@oscarmccormack1611]

@Cataclysmic Dildoser ...I honestly don't think it's worth your time or effort to see out either of the extended cuts. However, if you haven't read the comic, I would strongly recommend it. I actually didn't read the book until after seeing the movie, and the book was still able to reduce me to tears.

[@diablojones]

The better way is to not shorten it at all.

[@dimitreze]

Zack Snyder didn't even understand what he was adapting.

[@anthonyvillanueva5226]

Finally a comment I agree with

[@aldogonzalez2865]

lol! I love the GIBSON frame at 11:22!

[@Tymbus]

Portraying the Watchmen as actual superheroes totally undermines the entire point of Moore's story. Totally.

[@foundryx6697]

I've always loved the Watchmen movie

[@cannypal]

V for vendetta for the 5th November does make for smooth timing :)

[@GeonBell]

Props for the clips of Harry Patridge's Saturday morning Watchmen 👍🏽

[@CoryShirey]

It’s about time you covered this movie!

[@SirAsdf]

7:00 So those are supposed to be Bruce Wayne's parents? In an alley with Issues of Batman randomly stapled to the wall?

[@ragerodracir]

That‘s why he became Batman. he thought those comics looked cool and wanted to make it real.

[@diablojones]

It’s *supposed* to be but it’s not. Anyone with a single brain cell whose read the comic (or even paying slight attention) should know they’re not in the same universe.

[@drvijil]

I liked watchmen. While it was long and involved, I thought the scope and ambition of the story is great and is rare in movies these days . The movie was beautifully and stylishly filmed and the action was well done. One of my favorites.

[@sugaquaks]

I still don’t get why they dont make a 10 episode watchmen HBO show. I know that they are doing the modern version of the show right now but they could make a really good adaptation

[@diablojones]

It’s the only way to include all the content and not feel like a bloated mess.

[@TomBerryBW]

how the comic at 10:58 didnt get them age gated i will never know

[@Carabas72]

Alan Moore actually insisted his name be taken off the adaption.

[@HonkyTonkFishTank]

Z. Snyder directed this film and people were “okay” with it. So, now he directs every single DC film as Watchmen.

[@HonkyTonkFishTank]

Scott Summers I guess you’re right. If he were to do that, people would have found his DCU run somewhat enjoyable.

[@Amory-wd3ws]

Brandon Gomez Agreed, this would probably be one of his very few good films.

[@HonkyTonkFishTank]

Scott Summers First of all - Not arguing on merits of cinematography, though those arguments do exist. In the 80s, Watchmen mainstreamed the deconstructive approach to superheroes. By making them darker, more human, and openly broken, Alan Moore radically change the way they were depicted. Zack Snyder took on Watchmen as his first superhero movie and we have had to deal with his Kroger Brand/Pseudo-deep characters in almost ever other movie in this genre. It’s like when I see a 13 year old wearing a Nirvana shirt - just grow up and listen to Death Grips

[@HonkyTonkFishTank]

Sameer Kumar 100% - Glad I’m in good company!

[@simonegreco1958]

@Scott Summers BvS is literally Watchmen with other characters

[@chrislail3824]

When Ozymandius defeats the assassin in the lobby there’s a cut where the way his hand waves in front of the gun it’s in a way that would block the bullet. So he’s probably tried that move many times over the years to, of course have it work when it really counts

[@CWargh63]

Watchmen was basically Moore's savage rebuttal/parody of Ditko's objectivism, and Snyder, being an objectivist himself, could not help but give it the exact opposite inflection from Moore's writing.

[@Falxifer95]

Alan Moore is also a magician, a part of me thinks that every time someone does an adaptation of his works he cast spells on the people and directors of each movie that curse them to never have successful movies.

[@MaxIronsThird]

He's a wizard, not a magician.

[@Mentocthemindtaker]

@@phillipbotter6470 speaking of fan boys...

[@gothichorrorthotcore8191]

I mean most Zach Snyder movies are financially successful so idk what you mean

[@roseCatcher_]

This was successful though; unless of course you're comparing it to children's movies like Avengers or Justice League.

[@someperson9999]

He does. But let's be real, magic and sorcery is bullshit either way.

[@xfuturetrunksx6836]

Without a doubt you two are the absolute best duo on youtube and this is the best podcast ever....period

[@Hank_E84]

Love you guys's videos, but one point of inaccuracy needs clarification: Moore and Gibbons did not "sell their rights rights to Watchmen in to 80s". The deal was that if Watchmen ever went out of print, the rights reverted back to them.

[@redshirtwookiee]

Dr. Manhattan's scene in Vietnam walking through fields of rice earned this movie the working title Blue Harvest, which was the working title for Star Wars.

[@userunknown203]

I think this movie was way ahead of it's time and I really love it

[@AnthonyBerkshire]

Yes, because now we get Joker Art house / taxi driver movies. I think ten years ago it wouldn’t work

[@rafaelalodio5116]

I agree, this movie feels way deferent from all other superhero movies.

[@VinylBlair]

I agree dude..!

[@burtan2000]

I think it's a fairly close adaptation and therefore I can't help but think Mr, Moore is kinda just sour grapes. He's full of sour gra[es? he HAs sour grapes? Idk, whatever it is, he's no less a genius, but he's got hangups about people adapting his shit. Look at George RR Martin. One of a handful of living writers that I'd say equals'/exceeds Moore in genius, BUT he doesn't even bad mouth Season 8. Fucking SEASON 8 of thrones. It RUINED mainstream interest in his Magnum Opus. His work of 25 YEARS. RUINED. And then SHAT upon. and he's just like "it''s a different medium. We can't judge them too harshly. They have limitations taht i did not" Of course, he's partly doing that bc he gets hakf a cent for every dollar HBO collects related to GoT. But still.

[@arctrooperjesse7582]

Same

[@AngryWildMango]

I loved the comic and i really love the movie as well.

[@GryphonICD]

I would LOVE you to do V for Vendetta, if only to show how different the message is between graphic novel and movie. Also, over here in the UK currently and for our US cousins, it might be kinda poigniant.

[@Blakbox92]

At first I appreciated the change because the squid really is kind of out there. But the 2019 Watchmen series brought me back around to the squid, they handle it very well.

[@Q-lays]

This Movie is So Damn Underrated

[@diablojones]

It’s really not.

[@MrTomFung]

I will always love this movie because of how my life changed directly after seeing this movie. Had nothing to do with the movie, but it reminds me of it.

[@CWargh63]

I just noticed in the comic panel of the the fake dead squid alien that the only letters of 'Institute for spatial studies' not covered in green blood are 'or al die' @9:46

[@lucasoheyze4597]

Alan Moore didn't sell the rights to Watchmen, he fell victim to a trick clause in the contract which said the rights would automatically revert to him as soon as it had been out of print for one year...D.C just made sure it never went out of print.

[@CybershamanX]

(13:00) You gotta love it when you're saved by the wooden busts of the ship's bow figurehead... ;)

[@Foxarocious]

I started bumping the Sweeney Todd soundtrack when this month started and am most likely rewatching it in the next week or so so yes You have some Todd-heads 😂

[@Mentocthemindtaker]

I love it too!

[@frambojan]

Rorschach is so amazing in this it skews my feelings on the movie up a couple grades. The comedian as well. As a whole it's visually slick, with some great performances and solid action, but a bit flat for how strong the source material is.

[@Digger-Nick]

It's literally the same except for the squid... You never even read the comic lmao

[@blyzer7373]

@@Digger-Nick Not at all. This video clearly explains the differences and why those changes don't work making the movie an inferior version of the story

[@lancedenis5585]

@@Digger-Nick Clearly you havent either

[@firstnamelastname364]

Hugh Jass The comics condemn the heroes though but the movie overstylises & glamourises the violence in typical Snyder fashion. That’s one of the pitfalls of making movies as social commentary with bad people as protagonists. You risk making the protagonists look cool & the audience to like them eg Watchmen, Joker, Fight Club, Natural Born Killers, etc. Because movie viewers don’t think of the whole plot when they think of a movie, they think of small bits & pieces like The Comedian looking cool during his fight in the beginning, or Brad Pitt looking like a sexual god with the shirtless body in Fight Club.

[@MyJourneyConcludes]

@@blyzer7373 What changes don't work?

[@Shadowfire204]

David Hayter actually released some test footage of a scene from his version on Twitter earlier this year

[@JAFOpty]

7:00 you can see Gotham newspaper and a Batman comic cover on the wall... never noticed that...

[@diablojones]

Weird. Seeing how Gotham doesn’t exist in the Watchmen universe.