Top 10 Worst Video Game Plot Twists

[@ultraconceptmode]

In general, I think the "It was all a dream" thing is the most hated plot twist device to date.

[@artpathie9864]

+chrsngyn Because it's the laziest way to explain plot holes and irrational events... Pretty much when you're stuck when you're telling a story. Do this and you'll be hated.

[@Toiska36]

+chrsngyn Or the ''this character is actually insane''

[@spectrum3808]

+chrsngyn unless that is made clear at the beginning... yeah....

[@lonewolfjedi493osswfan]

Only time that worked was with Newhart, the entire series was a dream

[@A-Dubs398]

Not in Biggy Small's song.

[@JoschiChr]

How the fuck is the pandoras box plot twist a plot twist? I thought it was common knowledge that the one remaining thing inside of the box is hope.

[@susysmilesalot]

I know, right?

[@jkohler7996]

Exactly!

[@artpathie9864]

+JoschiChr It's basic mythology knowledge! How is it a twist?! o_o

[@Armageddon-yt3so]

+JoschiChr exactly.

[@critically587]

me too

[@nightstrider15]

Auron isn't a dream. Auron died. He went into Zanarkand to watch over Tidus and bring him over to Spira to destroy Sin. Auron was always from Spira.

[@sanityswept2898]

Travis Wheeldon Omg freakin this ^

[@NGameReviews]

Shows how WatchMojo does very little to no research with most of their videos

[@ridjenite]

They do more than Zoomin Games does. Hell, watch their "Top 5 Furries in Gaming" video for that But the thing for FFX was they latched on to "Dream" rather than the meaning of the term in the case of the "Fayth." In this case, "dream" was synonymous with "soul."

[@zionich]

Final Fantasy X is my favorite, so of course I am going to disagree with it in the list lol.

[@LagunaBeachGirlx5]

Looked at the comments just to see if someone commented that Auron isn't a dream so thank you! This video just lost all credibility

[@Dreadjaws]

How the hell is the God of War one a twist? That's literally how the myth goes! If you weren't expecting it, then you're a dunce.

[@RedGiantRuby]

Right!

[@zeethezebra]

I know! I read the myth, that's how goes! How is it twist when the game is just trying to stay true to the myth?

[@polishfoodenjoyer245]

True

[@123RADIOactive]

Its watchmojo, what did you expect? Most of them and their lists are dunce-like.

[@WavyGamer18]

watchmojo makes the dumbest of decisions

[@reenaxionette8119]

Well... With the god of war one, I naturally expected that because pandoras Box in Greek Mythology does hold "Hope". It just followed the the Greek Myths. So I personally didn't see it as a Plot Twist in general

[@mr.monkeymovies8620]

Reena Xionette I personally think it was a good thing, not something bad like they say.

[@kacektv9405]

Just a small correction Auron wasn't a dream but died after a solo, seemingly short fight, with Yunalesca. Dying he crawled down Mt Gagazet, asked Kimahri to bring yuna to besaid, travled a bit longer, was found by Rin the Al Bhed, died from his injuries but became an unsent and was then able to hitch a ride with Sin to the dream Zanarkand where he waited for sin's attack and brought him and Tidus back to Spira which.............yeah okay still super convoluted but not a dream LOL

[@RemnentsPasts]

they also brushed over the fact that the dream was technically another state of being for the faith who were the original inhabitants of the real zanarkand which was actually floating around spiras ocien and unable to be accessed by the outside till jecht sin.

[@Linerunner99]

The main point being none of this at ALL ruined FFX's story. Like, not even a bit. Still my favorite of the series, along with 7 and 9. So I have no idea what WM is thinking having it on this list.

[@JaidynReiman]

+Linerunner99 I think their main complaint is that it was EXTREMELY confusing.

[@sonofjenova717]

Agreed, that was a good synopsis. I don't know why they say Auron is a dream but it's not the first time Watchmojo said something wrong.

[@Linerunner99]

+JaidynReiman It's amazing how often in games and movies something is referred to as confusing... yet doesn't seem at all so to me. I thought the whole thing was explained perfectly clearly and wasn't difficult to follow.

[@joaomlo2]

Well, that God of War one is an actual part of the Pandora's Box myth, so it is not much of a twist if you have knowledge on that sort of stuff.

[@Inhaledcorn]

+joaomlo2 FUCKING THIS. LIKE, HELLO.

[@fandomcake5158]

It's not a plot twist at all. I think anyone who had Greek mythology in grade/high school knew this.

[@gremcilia_immermurin]

+joaomlo2 Was going to write this but you beat me to it. Also, it was a jar, not a box.

[@jotabeas22]

+joaomlo2 DAMN IT. Precisely my thoughts!

[@spectrum3808]

+joaomlo2 he opened the box..... welp... there goes hope.....

[@elitebelt]

You guys got the final fantasy plot twist so wrong. And was it really that hard to understand? It's ridiculously easy for anyone with an iq above 40

[@557deadpool]

+Mish Kaahh no

[@557deadpool]

+elitebelt just because it's easy to understand doesn't make it good

[@calvinsmith2722]

+557deadpool its a great game whats so bad about it for you

[@otakugamerx]

sure it wasn't that hard to understand but it was still a terrible plot twist

[@wanderingedge]

+elitebelt its just a shitty twist. although Lightning from 13 being not dead should count as a twist

[@Michylawhty]

Pandora's box containing hope isn't a plot twist. It's a reference to the myth where opening Pan's box released all diseases and evils of the world, but as well as hope to save them from these evils

[@bernardoheusi6146]

That´s ONE view of the Pandora´s box myth. There is another - that hope IS an evil itself, that is why it is in the box. After all hope solves nothing. "Thoughts and prayers" after mass shootings... and then, nothing happens.

[@MrEasyNah]

Bernardo Heusi That is ill af.

[@macdri]

Either way, anyone who bothered to look into the legend won't be surprise by what was left in there. All it takes is a quick Google search. Not exactly a shocking plot twist to anyone with any initiative at all.

[@Arumenuyama]

Orchid Blossom I knew the legend. GoW1 seemed to deviate from it, and that wasn’t a problem for a videogame. Returning to Pandora’s Box origins was actually the most stupid idea/plot twist ever for me, not just it containing Hope. It makes everything in the story beginning from GoW1 look absolutely absurd, stupid nonsense on so many levels. And it is sad, cause GoW1 had the best story among hack’n’slash games for me. And GoW3 ruins it all, so, for me, it has the worst plot ever.

[@markhub7990]

@@bernardoheusi6146 Yes, but it is still apart of the myth, good or bad, who knows

[@PETSEMATARYTWO]

in the Greek myth, Pandora's box actually did contain hope?? I don't see how that was a "plot twist" at all.

[@heydoeme]

Ooh I STRONGLY disagree about Final Fantasy X. How can that be considered a bad plot twist? It doesn't event twist the plot all that much.

[@jayjoo3536]

Couldn't agree more.. FFX is my best game ever!

[@heydoeme]

+Kenneth Joo You said it man!

[@Shiirow]

+Dominic Z'Graggen They didnt even get the plot correct enough for the twist. Auron, Jecht and Tidus werent dreams. They were all dead spirits that were walking around. Only Auron knew he was actually dead, and it was the main reason why he didnt go into the farplane with the rest of them because he accepted his death already but he had business still. Tidus had no clue whatsoever for awhile.

[@Anon9729X]

This is WatchMojo.what did you expect?.

[@iplayvidya7949]

+Shiirow Didn't the fayth literally say that Tidus and Jecht were a dream, though? The reason the fake Zanarkand existed was because they were dreaming, right?

[@shadowwriter4538]

Final Fantasy 10's plot twist isn't terrible. Besides, Auron is an unsent. Besides, it's better than Tidus being from the past since that is a little too easy.

[@Anon9729X]

It's not even a plot twist.I just can't believe that they played the game and are saying" oh Auron and Tidus were a dream" when everyone who played knows that they were unsent. God I hate misinformation.

[@Justin-rs1ug]

+Chris Sukam i doubt they played the game probably just looked it up in a video on youtube and that ended their "research"

[@bene5594]

+ShadowWriter45 Honestly its not my favorite FF but I seriously almost lost it when i saw it in this list. IF any of the final fantasy game twists would be in this list would be the FF8 they are all from the same orphanige but they all forgot except irvine but he didn't think mentioning this would be usefull. A realistic thing would be like when he's introduced "OW HEY Selphy Zell Squall long time no see huh bro's? Lets go kill the woman that raised us HIGH 5".

[@Justin-rs1ug]

ben eeckman yes 8 should have been on this list and tbh my top 2 FF games are 8 and 10 they are the best ones imo

[@Esakosarara]

+justin sattelberg yeah.. i actually love FF8, but man... that "plot twist" was retarded and achieved NOTHING

[@yushigo12]

If it wasn't for the Final Fantasy X plot twist, it wouldn't make us cry like a baby :'(.

[@lechondre]

+West Willow What a nice opinion. Keep it to yourself.

[@yushigo12]

***** well I don't care hahaha. If I'm a baby I don't care, I know i'm not the only one

[@charlesburge9756]

+West Willow What a nice person

[@TJaeSpeaks]

+Ryan Reyes Don't worry dude, Final Fantasy X's ending had me in the feels too. Emotional stuff.

[@marine5546]

+Ryan Reyes It's one of the saddest endings in video games

[@tusanity]

OMG why is FFX on here? Just because you don't understand the concept doesn't mean it was a horrible twist. The biggest shocker playing this game was when you find out that Yuna will die at the end of her pilgrimage. It's jus an unknown part of the story that you find out later just like the fact that Tidus is a dream of the fayth. It's really a perfect story, beginning to end.

[@GreatJebus27]

FFX plot twist was awesome!! The whole idea of it was really not far-fetched for a fantasy game and it really wasn't that complicated to understand like you make it seem in this video

[@Historicutuber]

GWG agreed. The story was amazing

[@mykindom666]

If anything, the seymour twist is more worthy of being on the list. It did make my eyes roll a little.

[@joeywalker2061]

@@Historicutuber i love the game a lot but im not gonna lie when i was 13 playing this game i didnt know what the hell was going on.

[@zeldafan2262]

It's really not the plot twist was awful, and if you ask me ffx is one of the most overrated games ever.

[@o.w.140]

I liked Heavy Rains plot twist

[@Cascascap]

+Proteus Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaasooooooooon

[@cicjose6016]

+You Dont E.N.O the problem with it was that it was too obvious

[@trinny9144]

+You Dont E.N.O It was mostly ruined because the game flat out lies to you and basically goes "Nah this isn't what happened, actually THIS happened! How surprised are you? :D"

[@SHODAN-TriOptimum]

It ruined the game for me

[@Charizarzar]

+You Dont E.N.O I loved the plot twist too because I'd just never have guessed it was him the whole way through, but you really notice it from his actions and dialogue the second time around. But I agree with WM in regards to Manfred's shop. There should've been more clues there.

[@IfoundAshiny]

I'm sorry but the Bayonetta plot twist was bloody good! Whoever is choosing these lists need to get there facts straight xD

[@IfoundAshiny]

+TheTribalOne But just because it's obvious doesn't make it bad :P

[@hunnykun101]

+Slayer of Pupils To be honest I kind of see it coming but its a minor one at best for the real plot twist in the game.

[@TheDuckClock]

+Slayer of Pupils Actually, it kinda does make it dull if its too predictable.

[@mercuryshadow5445]

I haven't finished bayonetta yet in mid way through (finding the humour and story just fine but gameplay soo repetitive) and I didn't even care when I saw this because I figured that out the minute I saw Cereza

[@wanderingedge]

+Slayer of Pupils these lists are usually voted on by their community

[@KinsanGaming101]

I liked the FFX twist though

[@troublemaker8536]

This makes the Story awesome and sad. I wouldnt change a bit about it.

[@KinsanGaming101]

The Troublemaker Except maybe the ending

[@troublemaker8536]

The end of ffx makes me so extremely sad everytime and that is why it is one of the best endings out there.

[@KinsanGaming101]

The Troublemaker I mean more in the way of Tidus just disappearing like that, like what? Yuna, pray or some shit. :'(

[@deathstar6998]

Yeah who hates that really?

[@WavyGamer18]

Top 10 watchmojo mistakes in lists

[@muffetmissulena6540]

I swear WatchMojo constantly make mistakes in their research with a good majority of videos I've seen from them. But when your rushing out bare minimum content, that's to be expected.

[@patvt6008]

The Final Fantasy X plot twist worked amazingly for it, not bad at all. It got me on the train to feeladelphia, the guy went through all that, fell in love, saved the world, only to have to say goodbye at the end of it all.

[@MyCinnamonPhoe]

Auron's not a dream, he's an unsent. Different weird other wordly state.

[@poohcness]

true

[@tmntsuperhiros]

THANK YOU! I was just about to say this!

[@LionLostInTime]

+Phoephoe Plays neither are Zanarkand and Jecht

[@MyCinnamonPhoe]

+LionLostInTime Zanarkand and Jecht are the same as Tidus: Dreams of the Fayth.

[@LionLostInTime]

+Phoephoe Plays you have the real zanarkand and dream zanarkand, the game never mentions Jecht being a dream

[@TheyFinallyGotMe]

You guys are high. The whole bit w/ FFX makes a lot of sense, actually. Also the story wasn't that hard to understand if you actually pay attention.

[@DarkFusionPanda]

FFX doesn't belong on this list

[@JordanHJ]

I think the MGS 2 one is good, the whole point of the game is the way the media can make you believe anything, and Kojima proved it by making you think you were playing as Raiden, who was being made to think he was the hero, in what was actually a complete simulation of Solid Snake's mission in order to see if it was possible to create the same output, and further control the media. .... what was I saying?

[@KewlCrayon]

I thought the FFX "Plot Twist" was great. It made sense, easy to figure out, theres so many clues, so much connecting to it, it worked well with the story... actually... it IS the story.... Like literally IS the story. This plot twist revealed one of the saddest and well made stories out of all the Final Fantasy games.

[@pescharliearchive]

Metal Gear Solid 2 has some of the best plot twists I've ever seen. Raiden being the main character is no exception.

[@Duck360Gaming]

3:55 I never expected my video to be featured in WatchMojo ._.

[@sujoychatterji7759]

+Duck360Gaming2 That is you.. :D

[@Phantron]

+Duck360Gaming2 you tortured yourself playing through a horrible game, so you achieved at least something with it :P

[@nanosan8921]

Hey! That's pretty cool! How do you feel now? :P

[@ferntheyoutuber9960]

That is very cool.

[@schwii.-9306]

+Duck360Gaming2 did they ask you if they could use it?

[@keatonthreetails]

Auron wasn't a dream....He was unsent. Right? And I would call ffx too much of a plot twist since it was kind of implied since the beginning of the game. I mean c'mon, the entire world says your homeland was destroyed ages ago while you were there only hours ago? Clearly something's not right

[@taylormatlock2407]

And Star Ocean's plot twist was awesome. And definitely DID NOT undermine anything. Just because they found out that their world was a game didn't change the fact that that remained their primary reality. The characters that they lived amongst in their reality had died in that reality and their fight at the end was a desperate act to make sure that Luther didn't delete everything they knew and loved. I'd say that those feelings actually enhance the importance of everything that happened before. The people of the eternal sphere grew an independence from their creator. He grew angry and tried to destroy their entire universe. And succeeded. But their newfound independence had built something inside of them that made them and their reality more than just 0s and 1s. That's why it still exists. Now just separate from its creator. Kind of exciting stuff. I don't really understand why nobody thinks a sequel could follow. The world's not dead.

[@Soul-mx3lo]

I love the plot twist. The biggest issue they had with it is just how they executed it and then didnt really explain any more too it. I wish they would make a game that comes after 3 and gives us more of a explanation that we all want. A game that shows how the world is now it's own living thing. And make thev10 eise man plot from 2 a more central plot

[@joeywalker2061]

Im not gonna lie even as a kid playing this game through with a guide i thought the twist was dumb and didnt make any sense to me.

[@reloadpsi]

Blade Runner and The Matrix did the concept of AI being aware of its mortality a million times better than this. Star Ocean doesn't actually do anything to earn this twist or build up to it; it was just self-indulgent shock value for its own sake, which is why so many people feel it "undermines" so much. There's a reason the series kept silently pretending it had never dropped that bombshell. The series' writing was never anything spectacular (the PAs are usually way more entertaining than the plots of the games, but maybe that's the roleplayer in me talking) and that big reveal was such a transparently desperate attempt to raise the stakes, one that it's clearly never lived down.

[@TheTetsuHai]

@@reloadpsi The Matrix is not even close to the reveal in till the end of time, The Matrix is made by machines to keep humans as a battery source. The Eternal Sphere was an adaptive software simulating an entire universe using the time axes system which allowed for AI's to develop freely while the people of 4d space would insert themselves into the the Eternal Sphere and experience life on an underdeveloped planet or just watch as the lives of the AI inhabitants play out. At one point Bugs would start to appear and would need debug programs to fix, this is why there are out of place objects in the universe with god like powers and "magic". In Star Ocean Second Story an ancient civilization in the Eternal sphere was doing advanced research some billions of years ago and stumbled upon the nature of Symbology which was to use the very code of the universe to change things, using this they found the symbol of annihilation which was the fail safe all delete which would purge the universe and restart the big bang. The Eternal Sphere is a highly advanced quantum simulation, the AI's didn't become self aware they always were self aware, the developers just never imagined that they would advance this far and when they did the company had an internal conflict between the head developers, some wanted to just erase the Milky way some wanted to full scale bug fix using the executioners and others wanted the Eternal Sphere discontinued and put in a Museum where they could continue to study the developing AI which had stunned even them.

[@RappingNinja]

Making them not live in reality but instead inside a computer definitely undermines the first two games in the series. That entire universe is effectively just a mainframe somewhere. The “Star Ocean” is just… cyberspace. It’s all fake.

[@paolalara3186]

Lmao, the God of War twist is actually the real thing that's told in ancient mythology. Did no one really see that coming? 😂

[@nitsuagaming6121]

Paola Lara everyone but watch mojo did

[@Danielviomusic]

I might be the only one, but I loved Raiden, and I loved MGS2. For me it's the second best of the series, after MGS3. MGS4 and 5 doesn't really feel like a MG game, but for a Splinter Cell-like instead.

[@Danielviomusic]

+Rogelio Rocha ikr? Human Raiden was so interesting; his relationships with the patriots and foxhound were SO important for the MG metaplot. But those purist complained way too much, and now Kojima has destroyed the best option to take Solid Snake's place in terms of protagonism. Now all we have are more random ass 'Snake's, making the plot much more convoluted and confusing. Ah well, whatever. Thanks for answering!

[@mercuryshadow5445]

I think you're missing out the most important title.. MGS1 - The Twin Snakes? The GameCube reboot was divine

[@arkanjoteixeira]

MGS4 was great. MGS5 on the other hand, horrible... just horrible. MGS2 is my favorite followed by MGS3, that's because the CODEC conversations, easter eggs funny story were at it's peak in MGS2, and I didn't mind Raiden at all, I actually liked him, so no you're not alone ;)

[@arkanjoteixeira]

+Arkanjo Teixeira funny stuff and story*

[@connorbanepoop]

+Arkanjo Teixeira Mgs5 horrible? Well that's your opinion so i can't hate, but I'm still curious as to how you Come to that conclusion, yeah I can see the flaws in the story but the attention to detail and gameplay was solid. You might not like it but calling it horrible might be a little too far, because if mgs5 is a horrible game(way below average

[@shinigamiduo77]

Auron? A dream of the Fayth? He is an Unsent right? Enlighten me.

[@betis4504]

Auron is unsent, Tidus is a dream

[@omarct]

Tidus was basically an aeon summoned from the dream of the Fayth(aka Dream Zanarkand).

[@betis4504]

omarct would be funny if master tonberry and Seymour Flux auto killed tidus with Voodoo and the party would all look at his dead body like "this little shit..."

[@gascap_actual]

You know that Hope being released along with the evils in Pandora's box is accurate to mythology, right?

[@benrussell5070]

Eric Reed what do you expect them to do, a simple Google search!? too much work for watchmojo.

[@nitsuagaming6121]

ben russell its there job kinda commen sense to do research to make sure your acurate

[@BlackVulpine]

'It was all a dream' clichés are quite possibly the biggest copouts in storytelling, whether it's in books, movies, or video games. It gives the writers excuses to make the wildest things happen, with absolutely no other way to explain them. Basically a kind of very dry deux-ex-machina.

[@kassiboo96]

FFX's twist is actually good and makes sense though...?

[@mcheremnov10]

Heavy rain's plot twist was actually very good and made sense

[@SHODAN-TriOptimum]

No it didn't, becouse of countless moments that contradict each other. This game is just badly thought out.

[@Charizarzar]

+Eric Cartman Basically the plot twist was good but it wasn't executed properly. I think they were forced to leave a lot of storylines out, like Ethan's blackouts.

[@SHODAN-TriOptimum]

+Charizarzar I get that, but there are flaws in the game that i can easily overlook, and others that really bother me.

[@MrRandomerz]

+Alptraum Or the part in the clock shop where he can straight up think "where's mafred gone??!" after he just fucking killed him

[@SHODAN-TriOptimum]

+Mr. Sweet don't forget about the cemetary.

[@SuperRodimusPrime]

Auron wasn't a dream.

[@taylorrouch1229]

i actually really liked the plot twist in FFX but thats probably just cause it was easier for me to keep up with the story than most people i know. i fucking love that also that ending was sad as hell

[@cmillertime7477]

And anyone could see SO3's twist coming as #1, it angered so many fans. The most common criticism I see is "so everything I've done until now was pointless?" Which is laughably absurd. Everything you did up until then *led you* the the point of discovering you're just AI. But not really just AI... AI that literally broke into the real world and took on the corrupt corporation that created them. It was a shocking twist that I doubt anyone saw coming, but I guess the shock value was too much for most.

[@razsmash7082]

Watchmojo said that FFX has a bad story😧 Leave this to the experts please.

[@The810kid]

how did Scott Shelby being the origami killer ruin the story. it was an excellent twist that wasn't predictable made sense and was explained well.

[@spectrum3808]

+The810kid that whole thing is convoluted. but then all of quantic dreams games are somewhat convoluted and strange...

[@kevintyson1947]

+TheTribalOne for me i never guess it was Scott shelby because i disagree that everyone had strong motivation. Madison to me seem like a nosy reporter who suddenly cared after meeting ethan a few times while with Jaden it was his job to take him down like how it was scott's "job" to take down the killer as well. There' was no strong emotional motivation for jaden or madison. However i do highly agree with ur other point. That was the only plot hole that pissed me off. how the fuck would did he know that the parents wouldn't turn in the evidence to the police?

[@darraghtate440]

+The810kid It doesn't make sense. Earlier in the story Scott is questioning why there is Origami on a child's grave - he shouldn't have to question this, since he is aware that it's him leaving origami on his brothers grave. He also kills Manfred in the shop - something that is completely omitted when you're playing as Scott in the shop. That's not a clever twist - that's lying to the player.

[@brandonwithnell612]

+Darragh Tate hes not lying to the player, hes lying to Lauren. he obviously cant say "ok i have to collect all this evidence to burn it and wipe off my fingerprints from the murder scene" when Lauren is only a few feet from him. hes acting dumb so she doesn't get suspicious

[@darraghtate440]

+Brandon Withnell THe parts I'm talking about are what he's thinking, not what he's saying out loud. Of course he's lying to Lauren, but he shouldn't be wondering and making guesses about stuff he is fully aware of.

[@GachaKeybladeMaster]

I seriously hate it when people say that the "Universe is a simulation" twist undermines the rest of the series. Wasn't the whole point to show that the characters were real despite the fact they were created from data?

[@oreotaku4017]

+Epitaph Keyblade Hero Exactly Man. The whole point of that twist and they saying it was all made up promps the party members to fight for their universe because it matters what happens there. Wars where fought planets and battleships where destroyed people died and that's what fueled the heroes need to stop the final villains of the game.

[@Esakosarara]

+Epitaph Keyblade Hero it ruined the game for me.. i couldn't keep playing after that twist and i'm guessing i wasn't the only one xD

[@YaoZoo]

+Epitaph Keyblade Hero I really like the Video Game Plot Twist of Star Ocean (it blasted my mind! haha). Like you, I do not agree with this list.

[@GachaKeybladeMaster]

Esakosarara Maybe it's because I was into stuff like Digimon and .hack, but the twist never seemed to bother me.

[@Esakosarara]

Epitaph Keyblade Hero yeah.. same here xD

[@youthnando]

I was expecting MGS5 instead of MGS2

[@alexcabrera6380]

Same

[@JRockSamurai]

+youthnando91 yeah, but MGSV 's plot twist makes sense and fits in perfectly for the old MSX games "Metal Gear" & "Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake" story lines!

[@youthnando]

+JRockSamurai Shane I actually have no problem with the plot. But people are hating it so I was expecting it to appear here.

[@ALOTOFCARROTSTICKS]

Not really. Big Boss abandoned everything for a fruitless revenge

[@EdgarDanielSanchezReyes]

+JRockSamurai Shane no they not, now not only *spoiler: explain how exist two big boss and no one mention before and the meaning of all those stuff about genes, cell or cloning that make big boss the best soldier if any one can be big boss if you make him beleivet he is.

[@matthewmicsa4965]

Penelope's betrayal in Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time is one of the worst video game plot twists I've ever seen. For quite obvious reasons...

[@k.weinberger2421]

Holy shit! That Star Ocean plot twist was the one in my head while I was watching this whole video! As soon as we saw that, we stopped playing. You guys nailed it - worst plot twist ever.

[@duelverse8410]

I agree with all of this except for the Final Fantasy 10 one in fact it kind of got a bit of that wrong

[@brandonborak9979]

Duel Verse j

[@PWBS-yc6xi]

I agree with everything except for FFX and MGS2

[@sasscass92]

Okay I have to admit, Star Ocean: Till the End of Time threw me off once the plot twist was revealed. But despite the strangeness of it all, I did enjoy the game and finish it and replayed it lots and is easily one of my favorite older games

[@arpitsharma1795]

i guess if you tell someone that you live in a videogame, wouldn't make them care any less. theres a good chance that we might actually be living in a simulation right now, and we would still keep living. so its a good twist for me. though i never played the game

[@itsoktobewhite5141]

The gameplay and the story of the first half of the game is phenomenal (especially with the kingdoms of Airglyph vs Aquaria conflict/drama) but the creators destroyed the entire franchise with that SO3 plot twist, not just the game itself. No point in fighting within a world that you can't eventually ascend out of considering it's an artificial world that the 4D Human creators can pull the plug at any moment and any progress that has be done within it was for naught.

[@joeywalker2061]

@@itsoktobewhite5141 yeah it really is an awful twist i really dont know what they were thinking.

[@closet__optimist]

Watch mojo your killing me. Okay, let me explain the FFX plot twist.1. You see Auron? Yeah, he's not a dream, he's unsent, just like (spoilers!) Seymour and Measter Mika. He was real, drop kicked the can, but wasn't sent to the farplane.2. For FFX to make any sense Tidus, Jecht, and Zanarkand HAVE to be a dream. The main story of the game explains that (more spoilers!) Yevon was wrong about everything, SIN wasn't a punishment, he was created by Yu Yevon to protect Dream Zanarkand when real Zanarkand was destroyed in the war with Bevelle a thousand years ago, Zanarkand' s citizens became fayth and dreamt of the city and its citizens, making Jecht and Tidus. Jecht got dragged on accident to Spira by sin, I swear to God THERE WAS NO TIME TRAVEL IN THIS GAME JUST SO WERE CLEAR later, Jecht as SIN brings Tidus to the real world to have Tidus kill him. The reason Tidus and Auron disappear in the end is because Auron and Tidus are going to the farplane, as they let the Fayth sleep for the first time in a thousand years, Auron went to the farplane as he had no reason to be on Spies anymore and fully passed on. Tidus went to the farplane as his time was up, his dream had ended. The difference being Auron was real at one point and Tidus was just the dream of someone who was. If Zanarkand wasn't a dream and didn't exist there would be no sin, if it wasn't a dream and there was (God plz no) time travel why would sin be a thing? It had to work out like that to make sense.

[@snukastyle]

Final Fantasy VIII, however-ugh. That plot twist was so, so bad. There weren't any records of the characters before they were angsty teens with no memories because of magic? Technically that would be the same for all the Seed students out there...

[@parrisbass9560]

Not really feeling this list very much, but you TOTALLY nailed the Star Ocean twist. That was definitely the worst twist in history because it retroactively ruined Star Ocean: The Second Story >.

[@rabidhellhound9714]

FFX's plot was actually pretty amazing and a great twist. Essentially people sacrifice themselves to become summons (the Fayth) to stop Sin, but it's all a trap. They are locked into an enternal dream and forced to power Sin in its new summon body. So, to get around this, they created THEIR OWN summon in the form of Jeht, and later Tidus to fight Yu Yevan, the spirit at the core of Sin. It works out very well, if rather cerebral.

[@mischarowe]

+Nathaniel Frank Perfectly said. :)

[@sujoychatterji7759]

Mass Effect 3 anyone...??? We were all expecting a big reaper mother or father :D.... but in return we get their child as the boss :D :D

[@Kyle__Katarn]

Well it wasn't actually a child. The citadel just portrayed something that Shepard is familiar with. I.e. a human child. Just like doctor who.

[@JoseLeybaDiaz]

+Sujoy Chatterji The ending of mass effect 3 is bad, but still not to be made as a top 10. You gotta remember that write a good story takes time and the problem in that saga is that they didn't take enough time to finish the trilogy.

[@sujoychatterji7759]

+Kyle Katarn Technically it was a child :D

[@sujoychatterji7759]

+Steven Baldomero Well according to the RuleBook its generally not advisable to start a trilogy without knowing its end. ME developers made this mistake and try to make the story up as they go and in the end ruined it :D

[@JoseLeybaDiaz]

+Sujoy Chatterji Yeah...

[@georgythegenesis]

I didn't get how FFX's plot is in any way bad?

[@KakeyoSilverton]

I had forgotten how bad Star Ocean: Till the End of Time was... This list brought back terrible memories.

[@midiagain828]

>Still blaming Team Ninja for Other M's story when Yoshiro Sakamoto, the main Metroid series writer at Nintendo, wrote the story. >Pandora's Box contains hope was somehow a plot twist when it is actual Mythology >Somehow not expecting that everything in Megaman is Dr. Wily The lack of research is painful.

[@kacektv9405]

Should also point out..............while waiting for commentors to give me some deserved crap for my nerdy defenses but in the proper Greek mythology Hope was left when pandora's box was open. Well referred to as Elpis but translated to hope. Still yes very cheesy but true to form. Ya want to see cheesy Pandora's box and Hope mentioned watch the Pandora box episode of Charmed :P god im one lame nerd XD

[@artpathie9864]

+Kace KTV Well, there must be a whole pack of nerds because a good majority of the comments are about the Pandora's Box containing Hope. XD

[@Linerunner99]

Pandora's Box is also the focus of this season of Sleepy Hollow.

[@TheLaughingMagician]

+Pauline “Gekkaneko” Darcy not really thats 5th and 6th grade world history stuff that we all know its like making a game or move based on Hercules and the big twist is he's the son of Zeus and has super god strength that's not a twist we all know thats y ppl call it a lazy ending and a veary disappointing ending to a good series

[@teemopanda02]

+MrShadowfox456 Apparently watchmojo didn't know that pandora's box contained hope...

[@TheLaughingMagician]

Ajay Arjoon good point kinda sad they should fact check and i know ppl that the list are voted on but mojo themselves say that the voting is small part and they have many other ways to determine what's the list going to be and the order

[@lunarrosecrow407]

First of all Auron is from Spira he isn't imaginary he's just dead. Zanarkand isn't a dream that is a lie Zanarkand is actually destroyed after the war. Tidus and Jecht aren't not real they are the Fayth's memories. The story goes like this Yu-Yevon used to rule Zanarkand and at the time Zanarkand was at was with Bevelle a city that used forbidden machines (sound familiar) Yu-Yevon did not want the people of Zanarkand to fall forever since they were losing the war so him being a powerful summoner (Probably the most powerful in FFX's history) he made all of the citizen's of Zanarkand into Fayth and used them to create New Zanarkand which means Tidus' ancestors created him he meets them and passes out at Mt Gagazet that wall of people yes those are the people of Zanarkand Tidus' ancestors. Yu-Yevon than became sin to punish bevelle to stop the evolution of humans completely but he than became corrupted like the Dark Aeons by the souls of the slain. Yu-Yevon himself is not evil neither is Yunalesca she's just doing as Yu-Yevon her father told her to do, Sin is just focused on protecting the Zanarkand inside his body. Inside of Sin (AKA Yu-Yevon) Tidus and Jecht are real just inside of sin, outside in Spira their Ancestors are the Fayth at Mt. Gagazet so they aren't just "Dreams" they are from a different reality made by the Fayth if the Fayth have no purpose (Which was one day killing Yu-Yevon and ending the cycle of Sin) than they go to rest in peace which is what they did at the end of FFX but Tidus is attached to Sin and the Fayth if they go to rest than everything goes back to normal and that means Tidus dies (Jecht already dead that motherfucka died 3 different times let him rest) and you can see him jumping into the Farplanes (AKA the afterlife) at the end of FFX after beating Yu-Yevon. The Fayth are powerful enough to create False Realities so they are strong enough to bring back the dead but they are highly against it but because Yuna has helped so much and Bahamut is a special Fayth that can talk for all the Fayth they reincarnate Tidus by gathering the peaces of his Soul and bringing him back.

[@enzosotorivas2795]

I'm sorry, but I do not see any problem with the plot twist in Final Fantasy X

[@DarkMProductions]

Star Ocean Till the End of Time's twist was so bad, I had to turn the game off, sell it, and not play it again for over ten years.

[@PhilDVG]

The answer to the Heavy Rain plothole is the same as how the murderer in Umineko was able to commit the murders but still have they're scenes seem like it was impossible to happen. You're playing the game through the Murderer's testimony, not the creator's testimony. So to us, yeah he didn't do it, but if you know the truth then you know that we're playing a faulty testimonial version of his playthrough.

[@awesomemark1234100]

WTF Raiden being the MC badass. Back then it pissed fans off but nowadays it's absolutely brilliant. It plays right into one of the games themes, Deception. Plus the real plot twist is the S3 plan.

[@youthnando]

I was actually more supprised to find out that Mr X was Olga.

[@SoYFooD2]

+Ken Kaneki even worse metal gear arsenal is real en it is run by the NSA

[@uktthe_king_fish5769]

Speaking of raided, they missed out MKX story mode. Scorpion ruined the shit out of a decent at best story

[@mercury2157]

the whole game and every part of it was supposed to make the player think. especially the ending, but people are too stupid and demanding for snake to think about anything rational.

[@Scarfaceman77]

What!? Why is Heavy Rain on here?

[@julioandresortegonmejia7261]

the origami killer must hunt you because thats the best plot twist ever, and also ¿call of duty have a plot?

[@ojuliaum]

at least the last call of dutys didnt...

[@philatio1744]

I don't think it's really that great. It leaves tons of plot holes throughout the story

[@alonzo9772]

The Star Ocean plot twist was so bad that it was hilarious. You could tell the writer was making it up as he went along. 😆

[@supladogabo]

regarding final fantasy x story, the twist is that tidus didnt actually traveled in time. that he has been living in a dream world only in the old zanarkand setting from 1000 years ago. and jecht, being a fayth himself (transformed for the final summoning) have access to the dream world as well, and so auron can enter the dream through jecht.

[@fatlighty]

the worst fucking plottwist is pRINCESS PEACH ALWAYS BEING IN ANOTHER CASTLE GODDAMN

[@FuegodeInfierno]

#5 watchmojo doesnt know basic mythology

[@SethACampbellMusic]

I seem to be alone in this, but I actually really liked Metroid Other M. I wish they'd been a little more thorough with certain elements of the story (if you know the game, you know what I mean), but I genuinely enjoyed a more character-driven setting for Samus and the rest of the Metroid universe. Yeah, it could've been better, but I don't think it was nearly as bad as the rest of the world seems to.

[@badbelowaveragedreamer3426]

Seth A. Campbell I liked it too. It was somehow refreshing and nice to have access to Samus's thought.

[@Herowebcomics]

YES! Number one is so true! Being a video game character to video game characters was one of the worst things about that game!

[@phatmillips]

YES! That star ocean twist - i stopped playing right then, i will never touch that game ever again

[@TaylorOnyx123]

Hey numbnuts that's how the story of Pandora and her box actually goes!

[@Blake_Aphra]

I quite like the plot twist to Heavy Rain! I though that Scott Shelby being the origami killer was quite unexpected and surprising!

[@izetyusein3323]

That wasn't the issue, it was the way in which the twist was revealed that made no sense. Apparently when Scott Shelby murdered Manfred, he did it very quickly because when you enter the back of the clock shop while controlling Shelby after several seconds of showing Lauren looking at the ballerina , Manfred is already dead. The most confusing part of all was that the main witness in this event was Lauren, and she didn't see the murder because she was distracted by a ballerina figure. That makes no sense.

[@josephgomez5566]

Seriously? i loved star ocean 3 plot twist, and wth with FFX? Too complex for you, watchmojo?

[@raogzero1842]

Idk man that plot twist really rubbed me the wrong way, and im glad it showed up on this list.

[@raogzero1842]

Talking about star ocean 3, agreed on the FFX plot twist though

[@NepBeard]

Agreed. I never understood the argument that it makes everything they did pointless. They're sentient, everything in their world is sentient, and we see things through their perspective. The stakes matter to them, so they're as real as any other character. That's like saying nothing in Toy Story or Wreck it Ralph matters just because the characters "aren't real"

[@raogzero1842]

It's one thing to introduce a twist, that has at least decent foreshadowing or is pretty explored. But up until you enter 4D space you had no idea the characters you were being was just all part of a simulation. It would be the same as if you was watching the new star wars and found out it was just a bunch of kids playing around in a after school club. It means every individual entry to the series also have all just been part of the charade, If there was clues that hinted at this, such as for example walls being fixed without anyone noticing or a character mysteriously vanishing and no one but say the main character remembering them it would be one thing. But pretty much this twist forces you to look at the whole franchise differently and re-evaluate their struggles.

[@NepBeard]

Raog Zero Your Star Wars analogy doesn't work because in that instance, everything that happens was made up and goes away. In Star Ocean 3, the character's gain sentience and are actually able to directly confront their creators, an impossibility in your scenario. Everything in SO would be rendered moot if the characters all just turned out to be Player characters, but that isn't the case. They are genuinely sentient beings that actually live full lives and have their own experiences. The Star Ocean characters live and die by means unrelated to the 4D universe, 4D beings play no direct part in their lives. Additionally, we do not see the series through the perspective of the 4D beings. We see it through the 3D beings. Roddick, Rena, and Feight all had genuine struggles that no 4D being was going to step in and save them from. It's just like Toy Story. Woody and Buzz are chunks of plastic, but we care MUCH more about what they're going through than whatever Andy's problem is. If Woody failed to make it back, Andy would be sad for like, a day, and then move on, Woody would suffer for the rest of his existence, and that's the side most people are going to care about. So why should the existence of the 4D universe matter? If a character dies, a planet gets blown up, they're gone for good, and the 4D people won't even notice, but the characters the game actually revolves around will grieve just like any other living, sentient being. That's why I feel it doesn't matter. They're the characters we're meant to get invested in, and they're clearly sentient, that's really all that matters.

[@soldcamilo88]

FFX is one of the BEST plot twist in games. BTW Auron is not a dream, he went to Tidu's Zanarkand ,after Yunalesca killed him and he became an unsend, to take care of Tidus and take him to Spira when the time came so he could bring the eternal calm.

[@ricardoquezada108]

About #8, only Jecht and Tidus are dreams of the fayth. Auron is basically a ghost. See ten years before the start of the game Auron died trying to avenge Jecht and Braska, Yuna's father, and kept his sense of self by focusing on his anger and disgust about the Church of Yevon. Then he 'rode' SIN to the dream Zanarkand and looked after Tidus. Still stupid, but not as stupid as Auron isn't the only ghost to do this.

[@Logicalpoint]

huh SO3 actually made it into a list. It's one of my favorite games but it never gets mentioned anywhere. Now we need Radiata Stories to be mentioned somewhere. Although SO3's twist is polarized by most people who played it some thinking it was great while others awful. I for one loved the twist the first time I played.

[@thalgrond]

No... actually, the hope thing in God of War is drawn directly from the original Greek myths. It isn't just a cheap ploy to make him more likable, and it isn't even a twist for anyone who knows the myth of Pandora. It's expected from the moment they mention the box, and if it contained anything else, then *that* would have been a bad twist. So, I'm sorry, but that's simply incorrect. Read a book, guys.

[@aarongrey9221]

How is Final Fantasy 10 on this list??? It was amazing!!!

[@cainejw]

Pretty much an entire correction to the FFX section: Auron isn't a dream. He's an unsent Spiran. He actually lived in Spira and died on Spira. Because he was not sent by a summoner, he wandered the land. Had he been filled with hatred, he'd have become a fiend. Fiends are the things you fight the entire game. He died after fighting with Yunalesca, the first summoner to fall to Sin. She is the woman who started the Sin cycle where summoners would travel to Zanarkand, sacrifice a guardian to power their final summon, and die after Yu Yevon ripped the summon from their control. Tidus and Jecht are also not dreams. They are summons. They, and all of Zanarkand, are powered by the fayth of Gadgatzan. They are summoned by Yu Yevon who, from the center of his armored creature known as Sin, summons Zanarkand to preserve it somewhere in the world of Spira. The game opens with Jecht, who is the fayth of Braska's Final Aeon and the power that makes up Sin, attacking the summon, ripping Tidus from it, and dumping him on Spira. Tidus being part of that summon is exactly why he is a prime candidate for defeating Sin. He is not part of the cycle. He is external from it. The only reason he disappears in the end is because of the defeat of Yu Yevon. The summoner of the summon is now dead. There's no more summoned Zanarkand resulting in its dissipation and the fayth going dormant. FFX-2 mucks this up a bit, but you're focusing on X.

[@DarkFrozenDepths]

while that star ocean 3 plot twist was bull, they're still making star ocean 5.... but i'm not sure where in the timeline it places

[@hoanguyenangthithu7668]

Heavy Rain's plot twist is amazing! How dare you!

[@SHODAN-TriOptimum]

It's just very bad if you take everything into consideration that the game throws at you. It's not even that it dosn't make sense, but that it flatout contradicts itself, like in the graveyard scene, as well as others.

[@kevintyson1947]

+Eric Cartman whats the contradiction in the graveyard scene?

[@SHODAN-TriOptimum]

+Kevin Tyson The detective asks himself who left the flowers on the little boys grave, as well as who this boy is. Later in the twist it is revealed that he is the one who left the flowers there, and the little kid was his brother.

[@kevintyson1947]

I didn't really think that was a contradiction. It was more of a game play mechanic. Listening to Scott's real thoughts would've have completely ruin the mystery aspect of the game. It's the same as the clock store scene when he asks himself where Manfred went to. Plus in a couple of the endings it was alluded that he felt some guilt for all the boys that couldn't be saved so he could've mentally blocked out some thoughts

[@SHODAN-TriOptimum]

+Kevin Tyson First of all, this is unjustifiable bullshit, even if it had compleatly ruined the game expirience. The entire game could have been one amzing fucking good story, but no, the creators decided to value one giant shit twist over a well crafted logical one. The only reason you don't see it comming is becouse this game lies to you druing the setup, as pathatic of a mechanic as possible in a game focused on story. And no, you could have easily set up scott s. as the killer, not give away his real thoughts , and still have a mystery thriller, without throing all kinds of logic out the window.

[@mityakiselev]

BTW, my wife is my hand, too. But that doesn't make me as badass.

[@benrussell5070]

Дмитрий Киселёв yes it does my friend. wear your badass status.

[@stephen2624]

Until now! Star Ocean: Integrity and Faithlessness takes place after the 3rd game and is supposed to be the latest in the Star Ocean timeline.

[@mckenzieed]

+Stephen Mc Devitt It takes place between the second and third games. So they are still right.

[@stephen2624]

+mckenzieed Well that's good then.

[@JaidynReiman]

+Stephen Mc Devitt No, actually. IF takes place between SO2 and SO3. Well someone else already said that. However, I have a huge suspicion that IF might actually acknowledge SO3's plot twist again (SO4 completely ignored it).

[@Justin-rs1ug]

+JaidynReiman So4 ignored it because it wasnt relevent to the SO4 story at all

[@tusanity]

+JaidynReiman SO4 was more of an origins story, where SO3 was the ending.

[@Spar10Leonidas]

I agree with number 10. It was surprising, but only because they essentially lied to us to fool us in the first place. Especially considering the fact that he acted surprised even though he hadn't yet told the girl about what happened and there was no one else around to witness his reaction. Number 5, however, I disagree with. It's consistent with the Greek myth and it works for both the story and the character. It allowed Pandora's Box to be used as part of the story again without retreading the exact same thing that we saw in the first God of War, while also allowing for a character arc for Kratos, as we see him starting to actually care for Pandora (as he views her similar to his daughter) and her subsequent sacrifice wasn't in vain, despite what Kratos thought. If she hadn't done that, she wouldn't have been able to give him what he needed to defeat Zeus.

[@MtnNerd]

As others have said, the person who made this needs to crack a book once in a while. The story of Pandora's Box is one of the most well known Greek myths. I learned about it in middle school myself.

[@thexspikes]

FFX wasn't bad, it had the Farplane, summoners duty to send the dead to the farplane or the dead will turn into monsters. The game was about summons to defeat Sin, which the Summons where also a "Dream". Whole game was about the dead still living / dreaming / faith. Also Auron actually died, he wasn't a dream from the summons/faiths but didn't pass on to the Farplane, in could go into the world that the faiths where dreaming.

[@newageBoundhippie]

the "it was all a dream" one also applies to Zelda: Link's Awakening & Zelda: Phantom Hourglass. Other M has an even worse plot twist: Nintendo considers it cannon. a few others I hated: Kaos somehow escaped his Traptanium Trap between the events of Trap Team & Superchargers ( Skylanders ) Twist makes no sense, at least not unless you read a freaking comic book that sets up the beginning of Superchargers. Still dumb though, makes the whole trap thing seem pointless. ( granted, it happens at the START of the game but still... ) the convoluted time travel twist in Kingdom Hearts: Dream Drop Distance resealing the Imprisoned doesn't last long ( Zelda: Skyward Sword ). Not only is this annoying as hell in general, but having to fight the worst boss battle in the universe 3 fucking times is just plain bullshit. And yes, it is sort of a plot twist... I mean it really only happens to serve the plot.

[@TheMattunes08119]

alo ffx explained quite in detail about spirits not passing on so youre #8 is not valid. i would know i've beat the game 3 times and logged over 2200 hours in one save.

[@poohcness]

maybe they didn't get it lol

[@Anon9729X]

+jomspatawag this is WatchMojo.

[@JoseLeybaDiaz]

+Matt Geibel ewww... 2200 hours in ffx?

[@TheMattunes08119]

I was 12 ffx was my first story based game ever

[@Justin-rs1ug]

+Matt Geibel i had that much time over multiple saves not just one that is quite the feat for one save

[@12ealDealOfficial]

X had a plot I understood from beginning to end when I was eleven years old. The twist is hinted at from literally the moment you take control of Tidus in Zanarkand. At the beginning of the game. If cinefix ever started covering anime, manga, and games, watchmojo would be on hard times.

[@SSJvegito501]

About Heavy Rain, I am not sure how a plot hole can make the plot twist the worst...the game has more plotholes, but none of them affect the plot twist about the true identity of the origami killer. The found it to be pretty awesome because you were not even aware you were actually cleaning the evidence instead of gathering evidence which is what the game/story made us believe.

[@kornetbeef]

Star Ocean 3 is the best game in the series.

[@Inhaledcorn]

+kornetbeef Definitely a lot better than The Last Hope. Dear god was that cringe worthy.

[@HiImCamden]

I'm all about Star Ocean II

[@kornetbeef]

HiImCamden I play that and get Rena ending.

[@kornetbeef]

Inhaled Corn Never play that, but i hear the reputation.

[@RJGold777]

+kornetbeef SO2 is the best by a long shot IMO

[@mrvirus888]

#1 Mass Effect. Synthetics kill organics to help organics.

[@sonicsmith7]

I thought star ocean and ff10 had pretty good twists. I think the more convoluted a story is the better because it makes the player or reader even more immersed in the story...or something

[@vittoriopugliese3352]

+Sonic Striker SpeedXzeed You're absolutely right: one of the reasons why Xenoblade Chronicles is my favorite game of all time, Shulk is my favorite character of all time and Mario is my most hated character of all time is because Xenoblade has a great story and great characters, and to me the perfect game is a game that focuses on story and characters, while gameplay is a secondary aspect, essentially an extension of books and films. Xenoblade is my favorite game ever because its story and characters are compelling enough to make me immersed, while Mario is the perfect antithesis of my perfect game as it doesn't give a shit about the story and characters and replaces them with SILENT PIECES OF POINTLESS, WORTHLESS, USELESS, MEANINGLESS SHIT THAT NINTENDO, BEING SO LAZY, THINKS OF THEM AS IMMERSIVE, BUT BOOKS AND FILMS ARE IMMERSIVE BECAUSE OF STORIES AND CHARACTERS, NOTBECAUSE OF SILENT TURDS LIKE CRONO AND MARIO, AND GAMES SHOULD BE THE SAME! You're a great person, Shulk is a great character and Xenoblade is a game so great that it immersed me at the point of leading me to tears TWICE, while Crono is a silent turd and Mario is my most hated game character of all time, and why? Because Nintendo made Crono and Mario as silhouettes to "immerse" the player, but Nintendo had never read books like Lord of the Rings, which are immersive just because their main character is not silent and the story is convoluted! Do ou agree with me? Which direction should games pick? Should an awful character like Mario, symbol of something fun but forgettable and without any artistic value, represent them or should they have Shulk as their symbol and be reborn as interactive storytelling, a form of art like novels or films? I play for the story and characters, something higher than just fun, and you?

[@Iceman96051]

+Vittorio Pugliese I prefer games with good stories but not every game needs one. At the end of the day, it's all generally just meant as entertainment in some form. Whether it's meant to have fun and addicting gameplay or a great story, it doesn't really matter in the end. Main form of entertainment that I would say always needs a great story are books as that's all there is to them. There's no visuals, sounds, etc. So all you have there is the story and characters. In movies I would say you can forego the story a little bit but the visuals and sounds don't really get you all that far if your story is total shit. I can't think of too many good movies that have next to no story. As far as games, there's quite a few that can be great without needing a story of any kind. Just depends what kind of games you are into really. Killing Floor 1 and 2, L4D2, Counter Strike, Sins of a Solar Empire, the Total War Series, Mount and Blade, and the X1-3 series. Those are all games that don't have much of anything for stories (The X series kind of does but not really, it's like Mount and Blade where you create your own story). That was just a quick list I made while looking at games on my Steam library. Most of those of pretty fun games (I think anyways). Now, granted some of them do have great lore and backstories, there is no actual story to them. Btw, Mario pretty much came out at a time when almost no game really had a story so it would be very wierd if they started to write really convoluted stories for his games now.

[@vittoriopugliese3352]

Iceman96051 There are many types of gamer. I'm more of a story-driven gamer for example, while you are not. In my opinion games are an evolution of movies and movies are an evolution of books. To me, just like the visuals and sound in a movie, the gameplay in a game is something added, but the "core" of a game is the story. And also Megaman X1, X2 and X3 have a story, only less dark than the Zero series's one.

[@Iceman96051]

Vittorio Pugliese Yeah to each their own, though I wasn't referring to Megaman. The X series is an indie space game that's on PC. It has backstory and good lore to it but it essentially has no actual story driven missions to follow. Most of my favorite games are story driven, I'm just saying not every game really needs to be. Same with music, most of my favorite songs are story driven (whether it's real or made up) but not every song needs to be.

[@javiervillalobos2480]

I just hate how star ocean 3s plot twist affects the entire series going forward

[@AdiG1]

It may have been said, but Auron wasn't a dream in FFX. He was an unsent who died after telling Kimahri to take Yuna to Besaid. Small slipup, I know.

[@darthvader7888]

Do the top 10 worst anime plot twists. And put Black Zetsu's BS at number 1.

[@MisterCharlton]

The word "convoluted" is used too much in this video.

[@SolidSonicTH]

IMO, if you're going to do a list that is guaranteed to contain significant spoilers, list out the work titles in the description of the video. That way if someone sees a game they're still playing through on the list, they can just not watch at that time.

[@nathanscammell6510]

Scott Shelby being the origami killer is probably one of the greatest plot twists in any game. Also the hope being the only thing left in Pandora’s box is literally the story of Pandora’s box. So not so much a twist.

[@stonekold10x]

I didn't think the twist in FFX was that bad. It could have been explained better but the twist itself was pretty good. Plus Auron wasn't a dream he was an unsent