Waternooses: A True Monster

I need more monsters inc focused videos.

[@beetleinthebottle4073]

I really like how versatile his design is. When you first see him he’s like a kindly old grandpa. Strange looking, sure, but his roundness makes him seem more quirky than anything. Then, when his morality is revealed, all of those features that felt more like old-man traits and quirky ones become, well, monstrous.

[@forrestdupre87]

It helps he was voiced by the late James Coburn.

[@superfanmusicmaker]

One of the biggest strengths of Waternoose as with most other Pixar twist villains (the only real exceptions being Lotso and Evelyn) is that his good persona in the first half of the film is completely genuine and sincere. More modern twist villains (Hans being the most infamous example) have it so that their kind, friendlier personas when they first appear turn out to just be false fronts that don't represent what they're really like at all, and when the reveal happens they just abruptly turn into completely different characters at the last minute. Whereas Waternoose isn't _faking_ his kind, grandfatherly demeanour at the start, and he genuinely does have a good relationship with Mike, Sulley and his other employees. Which only makes it more shocking and tragic that he's still willing to commit such terrible actions and even double-cross and potentially kill the monsters he cares about despite this. When the twist happens, we're not seeing the "real" Waternoose, we're just seeing a different side to him that was hiding there in plain sight the whole time.

[@rubenduenas5881]

Couldn't have put it better myself. Hell, he even lays out his motivation in front of Sully. On a surface level, it's understandable why he wants to keep the company afloat. I think Robert McKee said it best when "True character is revealed in the choices a [person] makes under pressure".

[@perminator218]

Waternoose was actually mad about banishing Sully

[@teencritik5512]

Indeed, plus, it’s not just a matter of keeping his legacy in order just to gain more money. Monsters Inc got a huge responsibility in the monster world : it is the principal institution that generates power throughout Monstropolis, it’s the balance of their entire world who is put in danger. He said it himself, it’s not a matter of being good or bad, he simply have no choice, monsters are not scary enough anymore and the scream crisis will only get worst. Even Sully, after Waternoose arrest, can only agree with that statement.

[@AH-is5yg]

That is true. I remembered a quote from Lionheart from Zootopia that he was doing the wrong thing for the right reasons. That was what Waternoose was doing.

[@ZelinkSupporter]

I suspect that Waternoose knew that children weren't toxic but deliberately kept that to himself because it would make monsters feel less bad about scaring them if they didn't know

[@comicbookreviewer4856]

To me I don't see Waternoose as a villain he was misguided and trying to save his Company had Sully and Mike stop and realize this sooner or later or Sully meeting with him at prison to try and show he wanted to help him maybe he could've been saved as we need to stop and think if people need help or someone to talk too

[@jadecoolness101]

@@comicbookreviewer4856 the entire monster civilization was built on the power this company provided, so... yeah.

[@Josue_S_6411]

​@@comicbookreviewer4856He was literally planning to kidnap children. He is DEFINITELY a villain.

[@ginocanterino258]

​@@Josue_S_6411I would say waternoose is an antagonist but a villain? Idk. After all would we sacrifice ourselves and our civilization based around energy consumption or would we be willing to kidnap some children from what's an alien race to us in order to use them as a power source for our cellphones, tablets, computers and every other form of technology? The real "villain" was the lack of informations about children and how else can they produce energy without having to be scared.

[@ginocanterino258]

​@@Josue_S_6411I would say waternoose is an antagonist but not a villain. After all would we sacrifice ourselves and our civilization based around energy consumption or would we be willing to kidnap some young members from what's an alien race to us in order to use them as a power source for our cellphones, tablets, computers and every other form of technology?

[@ivanbluecool]

Honestly wish they figured out that laughs make more energy than screams and told spider boi about it and he rejects it as it would go against the old way. We see how it goes in the tv show where they try everything to make sure people don't see the benefits of laughter with the other companies disavowing laugh energy and even stealing it. It's actually very deep for a Disney plus show

[@TheLazyFusspot_3428]

I think they did this with Worthington, from high school jerk to fraudulent entrepreneur.

[@marcosortega3350]

His voice actor’s long gone, so… (Oh, and they actually did this in a comic, I believe)

[@superzilla784]

I imagine things will get worse in season 3. Johnny's company, ScareCo, was also getting low on Scare Power. Waternoose was right. scaring isn't enough anymore. that's why Johnny started to steal Laugh Power from Monsters INC. Now that they've proven Laugh Power is more effective, this could have negative effects on the monster world. they have an entire school to teach monsters how to scare kids properly. with Scare Power fading away, what's going to happen to the schools? yes, they *could* convert to teaching laughs too, but what about the monsters too scary to make kids laugh? there's going to be hundreds, if not thousands of monsters like Tyler who wanted to be Scarers, only to be told that Scare Power is fading away. then there's the other factories that still use Scare Power. what are they going to do? I imagine their Scare Power is failing too if Monsters INC and ScareCo were going under. I have a lot of questions how Laugh Power is going to change the monster world now that it has been proven and that Scare Power is going obsolete.

[@ivanbluecool]

@@superzilla784 well we saw that already with protests. Yeah I can see a former teacher or even the principal of monster university be the next villain for sully and mike As they somehow 1: found a new power source. 2: put all monsters out of a job when they branch out. 3: closed down the schools 4 reshaped monster society

[@a.jthomas6132]

Monsters Inc is one of few favorite Pixar movies I enjoyed since I was a kid. Back then I thought of Randall and Mr. Waternoose are the primary antagonists that plots to kidnapping children instead providing more screams. But as I got older, I realized that corporate greed, economic collapse, the setbacks that turns the company into a business failure, and the necessity of of doing anything to keep your company from going under adds in the layer of complexity to Waternoose himself. The thing I think Pixar and Disney are lacking nowadays is the adding subtle message of real world themes within a fictional story like Monsters Inc, and what we need them to be brought back.

[@ivanbluecool]

It goes deeper in the tv show where mike and sully have to basically fight the world of monsters to make laugh power work.

[@HardcorePPGFan]

Let's just hope Pixar tries to make films as creative as this again because things might get pretty bad knowing the success of Inside Out 2.

[@osmanyousif7849]

You have to give the movie some some credit. As despite having such a heinous plan, Waternoose still acknowledges Sully for all he's done. A lesser movie would simply have him throw that all away straight up, and this happen: (When it's revealed that Waternoose is working with Randall) Sully: But sir....no. You were my mentor. Waternoose: Open the door, Randall. (Starts forcing both Sully and Mike in) Sully: I looked to you for help! Waternoose: THAT WHAT YOUR MISTAKE! But it's a good thing that it didn't go that route. As Waternoose didn't want this to be anything personal, and calls out Randall for causing such an alter to the plan and for believing that Sully got want he deserved.

[@e-122psi3]

It's so common for twist villains' 'real personas' to just be stereotypical evil and sadistic, for ANY shred of kindness they had beforehand to be fake. While Waternoose comes off like a consistent character that was trying to hide a very shady deal he made.

[@cradiculous]

"Oh, James... If only there was someone out there who loved you"

[@osmanyousif7849]

@@cradiculous , okay... that's Hans. I was referring more to Professor Callaghan (Big Hero 6). But geez, I can't imagine that idea that Sully and Waternoose's relationship went down like that....

[@ivanbluecool]

Worst part is randle is still out there causing trouble in the monsters at work show series.

[@Polish_Rose]

how the fuck did u give ur opinion already it hasn't even been 5 mintues T-T

[@marionneary1128]

Yes! You are Correct 😌

[@adamcuneo7189]

The part where Mike and Sulley are hiding from Randall in the bathroom and when Randall starts punching open the stalls is my favorite scene of the movie.

[@lexramstudios1386]

He'll probably break Waternoose and Johnny out of prison and they'll have their revenge on Mike, Sully, the Mifters and the entirety of Monsters Incorporated

[@Koopalingfan]

Yep. Who knows what he will do next.

[@colleenmueller7556]

Waternoose was a great twist villain. With Randall, we knew from the beginning that he was going to turn out to be a bad guy, but we never saw it coming with Waternoose. At the same time, Pixar does a great job of planting little clues about his true nature leading up to the big reveal. Waternoose is like Walter White, believing that if he has a "good" end goal, any means he uses to reach it are justifiable. His actions are immoral but his reasons for doing them are totally understandable which really does make him a tragic villain.

[@olleselin]

"Monsters Inc" is one of my favourite Pixar films. And Henry J Waternoose is such an intriguing character, with him doing whatever ot takes to maintain the company that his family has run for 3 generations. That's such compelling antagonist material

[@PaddletailPhilly]

Realtalk, Waternoose was a twist villain done right. Foreshadowing, motive, reveal, the fact he was supportive but not necessarily helpful to the heroes, straight-up expressing regret and irritation in being forced to screw them over, he definitely gets a pass not just because he was arguably Disney's first twist villain. Which made trying Waternoose again 15 years later feel so much less impactful

[@juanca2567]

The tv show seems worth talking about, as Season Two finally got the world building going and shows the relationship between Tylor and Johnny as a parallel to Sully and Waternoose in the first movie.

[@Koopalingfan]

That is true. I do think Johnny did have good intentions for Tylor.

[@teencritik5512]

The scene where they tried to test the machine on Boo is a perfect way to illustrate the characterization of Waternoose and Randall. When the extractor start to get closer to Boo, Waternoose watch with anticipation, he doesn’t particularly enjoy seeing a kid being tortured, he only want to be sure that it’s the only way to save the company, but overall he keeps a neutral expression. Meanwhile, Randall is smiling at the simple idea of killing a child, he is clearly enjoying the moment even tough it’s still haven’t happen yet. Randall is the true villain and a sociopath while Waternoose is cruel but act under pressure and out of desperation.

[@pichugirl6]

Waternooses is like that old grandpa you like seeing but pray he doesn't have a skeleton in his closet. Throughout the film you can get his motive on regarding how important this factory is; along with all the pressure in making sure Monsters have an endless energy as a means to continue the whole cycle of Monsters scare kids, kids screams in fear, that fear becomes energy, Monsters can live another day with electricity in their homes. When this film came out, and it was only that for a good while, it made you wonder if the monsters in that universe ever study scaring adults or finding alternate energy fuels. It makes sense that beforehand, none of them knew about laughter having more energy than screams, and for a good while all monsters assume humans to be toxic. The very moment he decided to secretly work with Randel, it truly became a twist as well as heartbreaking that he would slowly go to the very length of saying he would rather kidnap kids if it means to keep this company alive. Not rationalizing that he would be harming kids, possibly killing them just so he can have the very endless energy source to not have this energy crisis that they are currently dealing with. In the end, while we never get to see his thoughts of what happened to the company after it turns from screams into laughter. Would Waternoose approve of laughter if someone told him a better energy source or would he reject it?

[@TheAllSeeingEye2468]

I want to know how monsters figured out how they made interdimensional travel to the human world and how they figured out how to use human screams and later laughter to make power. That's near infinite energy! Here in the real world We have barley did anything with trying to make sound into energy!

[@MrGabeanator]

good twist villians do exsist

[@bowserbreaker2515]

Monsters, Inc is my second favorite Pixar movie. And while Waternoose definitely isn't my favorite Pixar villain (I like Randall more), he is definitely the best twist villain in history. He works as a villain; the twist is well set-up but also isn't too obvious.

[@cradiculous]

Of course Waternoose is going to be bitter after being arrested, but I wonder if he ever takes some comfort in knowing that his company didn't die and is still the primary energy provider for the city. That was his ultimate goal after all, and even though it succeeded in a completely different matter without his involvement, it still reached the same end goal. Maybe he even had a good laugh when Worthington was sent to the same cell since Monsters Inc outlasted Fearco.

[@Koopalingfan]

That was so good. Henry J Waternoose III is such a unique villain and Pixar’s best twist villain. Also one of my favorite villains along with Randall. It’s because his motivations are not out of greed it’s out of desperation of saving the company and saving society from a blackout, but just did it the wrong way. Yes even though they believed human children were toxic, they were still aware they have lives. It’s interesting that he still cared about Sully and Mike and had some remorse betraying them. Even defending Sully from Randall. But probably still willing to frame Sully and Mike for the crime by having them and probably also Randall arrested by the CDA. If he returns if there’s a season 3. He should be voiced by Kelsey Grammer and maybe he should be like Yokai from Big Hero 6 Tv Series.

[@kermitTHEdinosaur93]

Nice deep dive into Waternoose! I consider Monsters Inc to be my favorite Pixar film of all time though I do have a soft spot for the Toy Story films.

[@TheLazyFusspot_3428]

Same. My go-to Pixar shting was usually TS, until grown me rewatched M.Inc again, but I didn't realise just how GOATed it truly is up until that point.

[@a.jthomas6132]

You should do a Jack Jack video next. The youngest member of the Parr family has more potential than Dash and Violet since has 17 powers. While it is exciting to see what he can do when he gets older, but what if your loved one decent to evil without being challenged and disciplined? And what if there is a dimension where the heroes sees themselves as their own worst enemies? I think having a grown up Jack Jack would be a perfect villain for Incredibles 3.

[@Garagelab164]

Sully: MR. WATERNOOSES!

[@SPAnComCat]

What I find Funny about Waternoose is that he Looks like a Caricature of a Capitalist on a Soviet Poster but in Monster form.

[@S4R4H_R4PT0R]

This is probably one of the best character analysis I've seen in a while

[@joezelljr]

Waternoose is peak writing. He wasn't an evil man, he was a desperate man who would do anything to save his company and keep the city running. And to keep his company running, he had to sink himself to do some despicable things. He was a man who had to become a monster to save his city. I like to believe there's still good in him but he's just blinded

[@vanitas456]

I feel like randall was worse than waternooses I think waternooses just wanted to keep the company alive which provides power to keep monstropilis running and keep his workers employed whereas randall only cared about beating sully by any means even kidnapping children

[@Koopalingfan]

Totally agree and Waternoose did in some extent regret banishing Sully and Mike and even defended Sully from Randall. I’m pretty sure Waternoose wouldn’t approve of Randall using the scream extractor on Mike. It’s also Implied Randall was planning on backstabbing Waternoose by taking over as CEO and probably would’ve treated Sully like how he treated Fungus. Just to show he’s number one. I do think Randall partly did to save the company and society from a blackout, but I agree mostly just to be number one.

[@OpticalSorcerer]

I'd be curious to hear what you have to say about scrapped Disney films and what would be the best one to adapt (ie Swan Lake, Tam Lin, Sinbad, Aida, etc.)

[@gedrictudio]

I just realized, maybe in this universe, imaginary friends were actually the Monsters who decided to use laughter as energy.

[@ryanappleton3653]

"Let's watch my favourite part again, shall we?"

[@leebulger7112]

Every time we watch Monsters Inc we say that line for days.

[@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967]

The other true monster is Randall due to that he's more evil and worse than Waternoose since he does the Scream Extractor plan to further his own selfish goals of finally be on top of Sulley and takes sadism in his deeds.

[@user-gi8pk9uc7q]

The bottom line is all that matters, even in a fictional world where monsters exist!

[@rixrix6549]

Am I the only one who thinks that waternoose is a better villain than randall?

[@lexramstudios1386]

You think Waternoose will return in a season 3 of Monsters at Work?

[@adrianmorrison4678]

I still wish for a review of Sony animation as a whole.

[@tannersandschafer8513]

Bro really called the movie monsters instead of monsters inc😂

[@DaRaginLombax]

...Holy shit my boss is Waternoose...

[@ls190v2]

If only Henry J Waternoose the Third's scarers were just a tad more potent. Maybe then he wouldn't kidnap a thousand children before letting Monsters Inc dying.

[@lukasmiller486]

Aldone, will you do an analysis on DreamWorks’ five 2D movies? I would like to hear your take on these.

[@marionneary1128]

Hello there Everbody I absolutely Love❣️Monster Inc. is a Favorite Pixar Film and also Monsters University. Boo from Monster Inc. Looks like My Niece Jordyn when she was little Girl it is so uncanny. 😌❣️

[@marcusruffner2674]

I came here because I saw James Coburn in Perry Mason.

[@denifnaf5874]

In the movie a wealthy buisness man is held accountable for his actions This is to show that the movie is a worl of fiction

[@danuostret1900]

Good thing his son is nothing like him in MAW

[@hgarcia1168]

Hi there

[@deakensomoza3305]

So Mr Waternooses is a Best or Worst Villain Ever?

[@leebulger7112]

Waternoose is one of the best Pixar villains.

[@MistakenedError]

Hi

[@NanakPrasad-be4yi]

Why don't you review 2 episodes of primos I really bored watching your disney and pixar movies videos can you talk about some disney TV shows like star vs forces of evil or owl house because talking about same thing over and over again is really boring alodon please your videos are getting boring please make something else please