Wattage vs Performance for Pentium 4, Pentium D, C2D, Core 2 Quad

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@Compact-Disc_700mb Ай бұрын

Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Quad and Athlon II / Phenom II chips are still great, Always have been great and always will be. My main machine now is a Phenom (coming from a Ryzen system that I moved to other room) and it is so good for daily stuff and some lighter gaming. I keep the ryzen for a few intesive things but mostly use my old systems as they are way more fun. These old chips are still sooo good, 2006-2012 will always be my favorite era of computer parts. Your videos are always nice to watch!

@jims_junk Ай бұрын

Thank You! And I agree, they were and still are fantastic for what they are.....especially the quads.

@AlexM-uh7sq Ай бұрын

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@zachbeckner Ай бұрын

@Compact-Disc_700mb I've heard from this channel and others that AMD's released at the time of the Pentium 4 and Pentium D used less power, so they ran cooler but they were also much faster. Why did people keep going with the Pentiums then?

@Compact-Disc_700mb Ай бұрын

@@zachbeckner Well at that time I was a small child, so I had little knowledge of computers at the time. However from talking to people who bought parts at that time and some research I can say that some of the reasons why people bought intel over AMD are, Intel has greater brand recognition and market share, Intel has a massive marketing campaigns and at that time and AMD had little to marketing. Intel has much larger brand deals with prebuild system manufacturers and large corporate buyers. Hope this helps! Also I want to add, look into intel management engine and AMD platform security processor, This is why I try to avoid new hardware these days.

@Compact-Disc_700mb 23 күн бұрын

@@zachbeckner I responded to you over a week ago but YT deleted my comment, because of course they did. Anyway here is what I said. I was a small child when those were common but from what I researched and gathered from talking to people that did buy parts at that time, many people bought intel CPUs for the following reasons. One intel has much larger brand recognition, Two intel has far more marketing, Three intel has large corporate deals for bulk orders. Those are the main reasons.

@damasterpiece08 Ай бұрын

this is a proper video, using modern day standards and testing methodology to check old tech too

@jims_junk Ай бұрын

Thanks! I often have to work on boards and have thought about filming one of them, problem is I have nothing to talk to the camera about the whole time while I'm doing it. Thought about maybe one day of setting up a live stream and fixing it live. Just need people to join so we can all talk :)

@MasticinaAkicta Ай бұрын

And that is the joy of optimization. This is why I love, in modern tech, ARM technology. The stuff we have in tablets and so on. It is SOOO efficient as long as the task it has to do is coded well. I think I went from a P4 to a AMD 64 X2. That was good. Much smoother, did I mention dual core AMD 64? SMOOOTH

@jims_junk Ай бұрын

Back in the day I had an athlon 64 as a main pc but worked with and had some pentium 4's. Everyone swore by P4's, but I even had a Dual Pentium 3 that smoked any of my Pentium 4's. It wasn't until the Pentium M and Core 2 days that the brainwashing wore off and people started realizing what crap the p4's and P'Ds were.

@zenithowo Ай бұрын

i just wanted to find some info about power consumption for 775 socket cpu , you my savior lol

@dabombinablemi6188 Ай бұрын

I will always find it hilarious - laptop with a Pentium M770 (upgrade from Celeron M380) using a 65W power brick, benchmarked against a "Besa brick" with a P4 HT 3.2GHz and 120W power brick (that shutdown on some days we had near 40 degrees celcius). Near identical performance. I really want to get a Dothan desktop board. Not easy to come by but something truly special. In some ways I do miss my old 2.4GHz Celeron D...but the nostalgia comes from how bad my first computer was by comparison and how inept the Radeon 9000pro iGP (no T&L or Vertex shaders) was in the "Besa Brick" compared to the SiS iGPU.

@D3M3NT3Dstrang3r Ай бұрын

I don't think it was intended that some of the cheapest low power Pentium M processors were crushing P4's. I will always remember My sister getting the cheapest dell laptop with first series of Pentium M (don't remember model) and I don't think it was was faster overall than my P4 Northwood, but it was definitely snappier. First time I was ever impressed by a mobile cpu, and could imagine it as a daily driver. I knew as time progressed and learned that they core basing the Core 2 series on that architecture that they were going to be interesting. 775 and Core 2 / Quad series is and probably will remain my favorite platform and architecture.

@dabombinablemi6188 Ай бұрын

@@D3M3NT3Dstrang3r Even dual PIII 1000 feel snappier than the P4 HT 3.2GHz did (despite being far slower). And that is just typical of Netburst - it had pipeline stalls frequently and very noticeably. Cedarmill did improve the experience, but it was still noticeably sluggish.

@iiisaac1312 Ай бұрын

Really makes you appreciate how modern computers can idle around 10-15 watts now. I get how some people want performance and buy CPUs based on benchmark scores alone (looking at you gamers), but that is how we ended up with the Pentium 4 being "faster" than the Pentium 3, even though it was slower per clock cycle and consumed way more power. Today, we get "Upgrades" like 13 and 14 gen Intel Core i9s pulling unholy amounts of power, repeating the same mistakes of the past. While we might laugh at these i9s the same way we laugh at the P4s in the distant future, will anybody laugh at the "benchmark score above all else" philosophy that got us into these situations to begin with? Knowing we're making the same mistakes again, probably not.

@MrEdioss Ай бұрын

I had to undervolt my q8400 to 1.2v at 3.6ghz because I couldn't run higher than 445mhz fsb due to cheap ram 2gbx4. I got around +50% efficiency if counting GHz per voltage. I did a lot of modern things with this system like timings tightening and better cooling and it feels just as responsive as a modern computer.

@Leomate808 Ай бұрын

True that, i feel same experience with my L5408. The only things hit is cheam ram 🫠

@khawk4276 13 күн бұрын

During load, the Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 had lower power draw than Pentium D Presler!? 😮 Wow! Thanks for posting this video. G0 stepping Q6600 and some Pentium Ds have the same 95W TDP, and I've always wondered how hot / power consumption each had during real life load.

@jims_junk 13 күн бұрын

Yeah LOL Intel wasn't exactly honest about the TDP's of the Pentium D's.

@hurikem Ай бұрын

The Core 2 Quad was too expensive couple of years ago during the lockdown. I purchased the Xeon X5460 and it works like a charm after updating the bios with a micro code for the P5K mobo.

@jims_junk Ай бұрын

Yeah I think the quad extremes still go for $100+ on ebay. Wayyyy too much in my opinion, but yeah you're right if your motherboards will take em, the xeons are a good option.

@polaxis842 Ай бұрын

I always wonder, how fast a P4 with current manufacturing processes (i.e. 5nm) and increased L3 cache would perform.

@martinkoyle Ай бұрын

Would be interesting, although in their time a Pentium D would have to be clocked to around 5 to 6 ghz just to touch a 3ghz Duo

@alphaarchive5262 Ай бұрын

Probably bad anyways because pentium 4's problem wasn't the manufacturing process, but more related to the netburst architecture

@polaxis842 Ай бұрын

@@alphaarchive5262 I'm aware, just wondering😊

@galen__ Ай бұрын

To think, those early Core series were originally intended to be laptop CPUs 😅

@MasticinaAkicta Ай бұрын

There were "laptops" with actual P4's... Don't ask about the battery life or cooling!

@D3M3NT3Dstrang3r Ай бұрын

They were based on the Pentium M architecture which was designed for mobile. There were also full size netburst laptops too, The M's were much better in every way possible.

@jims_junk Ай бұрын

@@MasticinaAkicta LOL I owned one and worked on many at work. Yeah battery life...wow. I think my Inspiron with a new battery had 30 to 45 minutes of life. A buddy of mine had a similar dell with a battery that clipped onto the bottom and powered it through the docking port. The thing wound up being around 6 inches thick and still only gave him an hour of 'usable' time.

@jims_junk Ай бұрын

Think I'm going to have to find an M laptop and an old inspiron P4 and do a video on that for those who haven't experienced and know how lucky they are today.

@AshWeinstein Ай бұрын

@@jims_junk yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah! Do it! Also did Pentium D's ever show up in laptops?

@Leomate808 Ай бұрын

Ahh that's remind me when i still using LGA775 as my main pc. I had upgrade from pentium 4 631, going to core 2 duo E7500 and it give much impressive perfomance and power consumption. And at the final upgrade i using mod LGA771 xeon L5408 that rated tdp 45w, the full usage when stress test is only got 60-70w. And when i overclock to 3.3ghz it only hits around 90-100w. That's really make me think the LGA775 is really long live socket platform 😳

@shodan2958 Ай бұрын

I wonder if running the system using an SSD would lower the power draw a significant amount?

@jims_junk Ай бұрын

It would, but only at most by 10 watts or so.

@JamesSmith-sw3nk Ай бұрын

Been a long time since I played around with socket 775, So correct me if I am wrong.. I think that motherboard has to run at least at a 1066fsb or else it couldn't run the Q6600 at it's stock 2.4ghz speed.

@D3M3NT3Dstrang3r Ай бұрын

I just looked it up and both steppings G0 and B3 appear to be 1066 fsb so yeah it likely wasn't running at 2.4. They also appear to be different wattages depending on stepping as well with the B3 (SL9UM) being a 105w Chip and the G0(SLACR) being a 95w Chip. I always read them as Slacker, And Slum lol, and it also reminded me which one to avoid.

@jims_junk Ай бұрын

Yeah sorry I misspoke. It was very late when I was writing the script for this. But yeah wattage and FSB were what kept certain cpu's from running on that. Could have used a much better board but had that PC out and well I hadn't used it in a while...figured I'd give it some love.

@JamesSmith-sw3nk Ай бұрын

@@jims_junk No worries, you make great content!

@zachariah74 Ай бұрын

What would you guys recommend I build with a Quad Q9450 I have lying around? I'm struggling to decipher what GPU and PSU would be a healthy match for it

@rezamolaee1 Ай бұрын

You can use pretty much any GPU with a 6pin power cable with a 400 Watt PSU, even less for newer GPUs.

@zachariah74 Ай бұрын

@@rezamolaee1 I mostly mean period accurate GPUs, but thank you for the wattage recommendation. I recently got some mid 2000s cooler master aluminium cases for very cheap in a bundle so I wanna make something late 2000s high end

@zachariah74 Ай бұрын

As for PSU I'm probably just going to go with a used and modern Corsair one or an old FSP / Fortron one

@rezamolaee1 Ай бұрын

@@zachariah74 I know, I'd say that because late 2000s GPUs are all power hungry even midrange ones, if your GPU has a 6 or 8pin, you'd probably have to use a 400 Watt PSU. I have an HD 4850 from 2008, it is basically a space heater that have some graphical power too.

@D3M3NT3Dstrang3r Ай бұрын

Period correct as far as releasing around the same time would be Radeon 3870, 4870 or either in x2 Variants, or GTX 280. Not sure that any of these cards would cause the CPU to be the bottleneck though.. Don't really remember but Radeon HD6870, HD6970 or GTX 480 / 580 would probably Closer to max platform performance.