Waves NLS vs Slate VCC

[@Unders]

How to set up NLS correctly - kzbin.info/www/bejne/baqtnqeCZbiVebs 4:15 bypass 4:37 S SSL 4:59 Waves SSL 5:22 S SSL E 6:09 S Neve 6:28 Waves Neve 12:16 S API 12:43 Waves EMI

[@psyderdj]

4 years late but for anyone seeing this the Waves NLS channel works in dual mono by default and can mess with your phase, so I change it to stereo mode to work around this issue. Maybe thats what is causing the phasing you were talking about in the highs. I use NLS a lot for basslines and noticed my bass was going out of phase a lot until I switched the stereo mode.

[@Unders]

yeah a good point that i seldom think about. Thanks for highlighting it. Thats down to DAW logic will pick the stereo option. I think PT also opts for dual mono though.

[@BobbyWashingtonMusic]

I have VCC and VMR and also have Waves NSL.... and the SSL Channel. I love the sound of the NSL across all audio channels and underneath I add the SSL channel as a second plugin and on the master buss I have The NSL Buss, SSL Channel and J37 tape... it’s amazing sounding...

[@Unders]

That’s a lot of saturation. What genre? I can see this working to create that 90’s hip hop vibe

[@dangdrjay3011]

This is my second account the genre was underground classical trap edm Peter

[@gotyor]

I have both of these also. Love them both, but my go to is always the NLS on most channels. I also use the ssl of the nls on anything that needs to be solid, i.e. drums, bass, anything thats needs ssl punch. I use the emi to to two different things, one is saturation distortion and giving more width to tracks, and the neve I save for detail leads or anything you need more clarity from. As for slate I use it in the same way. but I will only use the slate one if I am using it for other things that come in the bundle like blue strip 76 or distressors. also love the lift eq in bundle, again if i am turning on VMR always seem to add a little lift to things.

[@Unders]

Thanks for the input.

[@GatoPaint]

for some reason I have the same issue with the SSL simulation of the channel NLS, BUT the Mike and Nevo sound amazing in my opinnion, one its very dark focused and the other is pretty balanced and bright, hopefully Waves fixes this for users

[@MachineCityAudio]

Always wondered which of these would sound better, I have the VCC but never tried the waves NLS, I personally think the Waves NLS sounds better...Thanks for the video :)

[@Unders]

Your totally welcome. They both have their strengths, but that EMI console on NLS is a winner for me too.

[@warringtonruncorn]

It's really difficult to tell through the KZbin compression the differences between the types - they are incredibly subtle plugins. I do have the Slate package though and I know it's just about the sweetest sounding digital gear you can have.

[@Unders]

my accidental discovery of stacking the two together is super sweet too. Ive also had VCC for a long time before it was part of VMR. Not much i can do about the youtube compression. I could upload the 4k files but then 95% of my audience simply cant stream at 4k anyway

[@AtmLifted]

The nls has more of a hollow god like sound and vcc has more of a oomf im here sound

[@proverbalizer]

damn, I never thought about that when watching so many mixing tutorials on YT, thought maybe it was my hearing that wasn't picking up on subtle stuff

[@Reggi_Sample]

@@Undersdon’t feel bad about stacking I run VCC into Harrison mixbus 32C

[@kriscody3577]

I like the NLS EMI from Waves and use it a lot. I like em both as well and a combination would be cool. I find myself replacing the SSL with the Omnichannel. I say that cause I'm going away from SSL lately.

[@Unders]

Hey the Omni chan is straight up amazing, no excuses needed 😝

[@matbell1514]

Great Vid, I have used both. I agree with EMI statement but both plugins are subtle.

[@Unders]

Thanks for watching Mat. Are you using NLS then?

[@matbell1514]

Yeah, but the thing is I have never used a analogue console so I don't know what results I am meant to be getting, I have nothing to compare it against. I seem to be getting a warmer sound by putting the waves pultec eq on my masterbus. Does that make sense to you?

[@Unders]

Yup totally. I love pultec EQ especially to lift up high end. If it sounds good then go with it 👍

[@BukanIbuMu]

Hey Unders, the NLS has the mini drive button if you look closely just under the lit Green square button. Just like the VCC.

[@Unders]

You mean the group drive knob on the bus? Because it doesn't work the same as VCC its relative to the drive value of each plugin instance

[@BukanIbuMu]

@@Unders Oh, my mistake. Thanks for correcting me.

[@Unders]

@@BukanIbuMu All good. Discussion like this is the whole reason i started the channel :)

[@djfatrock8509]

So please which plugins can work same as nls buss

[@Unders]

VCC like in the video. I dont know if any others that work the same.

[@denchik00]

Great video! I’ve been using NLS EMI for all of my recent projects, now that I hear the VCC - it seems like it adds a much more subtle and transparent enhancement. The NLS sounds good but adds a lot of low end (?) the way I hear it. I’m pretty new to the mixing thing so I have a question; what amount of headroom should I leave so the NLS wont squash the mix the way it does usually? I leave approx -6 db at the moment, should I go -18? Am I speaking nonsense? Any input will be appreciated!

[@Unders]

each NLS responds differently. If you find it squashing there's really 2 places to look. 1 the input gain 2 the drive control. An remember if they are linked, One place being driven might sound ace, but it will drive all the others.

[@denchik00]

Unders Thanks, I will look into it!

[@shaft9000]

good rule of thumb : if up to ~10-12 tracks - gain each stage at around -12dB, if more tracks, then record around -18dB . When working in 24-bit or better with relatively clean AC power, your limiter's make-up has no problem boosting 30-40 dB at the output stage, and your noise floor should be well low-enough. Anything all-ITB is even less of a worry - you could probably track at -50dB and boost later with no significant problems.

[@mika461983]

you cranked the buss drive on NLS Spike up to 6. I found it's distorting the things in not such a good way above 3. The Mike has less distortion and the Nevo has even less. By the way, Spike channels work a lot more clearer than the Spike buss.

[@Unders]

You might find your signals were hotter, hence the distortion.

[@mika461983]

@@Unders not extremely hot. I prefer to get my master peak levels from -6 to -12 before it goes to first plugin on master section

[@DalleyMusic]

Slate gives a weird upper-mid sound. The Waves EMI "Mike" setting is very good though!

[@Unders]

it really comes down to "Do like this flavour on this sound?" once you get how they function differently anyways. Thanks for watching.

[@bishopblade]

The Slate Brit 4K E seems like it gave the mix more depth. Is that the EMI console emulation? Also, the SLate Neve has a punch to it.

[@Unders]

"Mike" is the EMI desk. "Spike" is the SSL

[@bishopblade]

Okay, I meant is the Brit 4kE an EMI emulation?

[@Unders]

Slate doesn’t confirm the desks. But it’s likely an SSL 4000 E

[@bishopblade]

Unders Okay thank you!

[@schwarz-musikproduktion]

mate what CPU do you have, that you can run so many slate and Waves plugins simultaneously? thanks for the shoot out. I own the VCC but want to buy waves nls too. Hearing a lot of good stuff about the NLS.

[@Unders]

2017 i7 An NLS is on offer right now plus an extra 10% off here. bit.ly/WavesBonus Thanks for watch and taking a moment to reach out too 🤜🤛

[@variancewithin]

@@Unders they make like 15 different CPUs in a year. your cpu should be named in the About section of your computer. It would be "I7 ####" with 4 numbers behind it, and sometimes with a few letters after the 4 numbers. - also posting the GHz along with the exact CPU model is the only way to be helpful, especially considering that Intel i7 has ranges all the way from server and overclocking gaming machine, to barely able to run chrome

[@real.demesure]

Sometimes one can run into problem when not using the stereo/dual mono button.

[@Unders]

Thanks for the input.

[@brentvalleywhag3477]

Do you think there’s any sonic overlap between the new TG mastering chain and the EMI portion of NLS?

[@Unders]

No. But with the TGI1234 totally

[@brentvalleywhag3477]

Unders Tg1234 overlaps with NLS or he mastering chain you mean?

[@Unders]

Sorry I wasn’t clear TGI1234 and NLS give a really similar “feel”

[@mjseppo]

RC tube and EMI (Mike) would have been good.

[@SaveManWoman]

Great video comparisons of apples to apples. Can I run as many plugs on MacBook Pro 2.6 2018 16gig memory?

[@AtmLifted]

Im in hip hop and it seems The nls has more of a hollow god like sound that we love with future and money mam and more hence im grabbin nls and vcc has more of a oomf im here sound

[@Unders]

Getting that "hollow" snare sound by driving NLS hard then backing off the gain. Did you catch my layering both together? thats a winner if a bit expensive.

[@bloodyproduce]

NLS is louder so it's not a fair comparisson..

[@neondagger]

It's a good point. I compared and on averages NLS is 2dB higher. It sounds better to me (and it's what I use personally) but then when compensating VCC it actually sounds a lot smoother than NLS. Generally the same richness in bass, while in NLS higher frequences are dampened a bit and given that "tube rattle" warmth. Depends on what you're going for I guess but VCC was more modern/cleaned-up sounding to my ears.

[@proverbalizer]

"Tonal Balance Control" ? ....hmmm, let me investigate and learn something new in Logic...

[@Unders]

Tonal balance is a plugin from Izotope. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.

[@Deenk2009]

¿?¿?¿ and the volume??¿?¿?

[@Unders]

Difference was explained in the video

[@Sonme-n7s]

both of them make sound harsher and more clinical

[@rickneibauer1]

waves is quite a bit louder so... not a great comparison.

[@Unders]

Mentioned in the video, so not a great comment 🤷‍♂️

[@themastroiannis]

the SSLs are brick walls. soulless...

[@Unders]

You feel that way for both?

[@eqh1593]

You gotta level match or this is totally pointless.. 80% of normal people will think the louder one is "better" cause they dunno any better

[@Unders]

I disagree on your "this is totally pointless" First off the dip in level you hear is the plugin switching then they are very subtly different around 1.5dB This is a matching of the settings. As stated. But thanks for your input. Oh and the fact i addressed this in the video seems to have passed you by but ok :)

[@aholder4471]

Why does there always have to be one of these in the bunch? For real? GTFO. Let me go check your tutorial vids real quick.....

[@Unders]

❤️ 😆

[@proverbalizer]

he did drop the gain of NLS to correct the obvious mismatch at first

[@Zakuti]

This was not a good comparison. Whenever you switched to Waves the level jumped up making it impossible to judge. Comparisons should always stay at an equal level.

[@Unders]

An this was not a good comment, Comments should always have paid attention. if you listen to the video this is because i have match the plugin settings not the levels.

[@Zakuti]

Unders yes but unless you also match the levels, it won’t be a fair comparison because louder is perceived to be “better”. This can mislead many people, especially beginners which I assume isn’t your intention.

[@Reggi_Sample]

@@Understhis how you responded to comments😂😮 you know each interaction whether you like it or not is still supporting you

[@HitzdropBeats]

Too much drive on the NLS

[@Unders]

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