We Can Finally Run An Electric Boat All Day!

[@WildernessGuyBC]

It's great to see prices droping for these batteries. That is a totally usable range and electricity is way cheaper than gas so if you use it a lot it will pay for itself in time. It's also nice how quiet it is.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

I really like how guilt and smooth these electrics are!

[@yanzhangmd]

@WildernessGuyBC : I am purchasing a small gas generator as a backup. Sometimes, the electric shut off is longer time. I decided it is worth to have both.

[@thedevilinthecircuit1414]

Wayne, the reason why the remaining battery time readout didn't change between when you left and when you returned is probably because the motor is intended to use the stock (three hour) battery. Because you're using a beefier battery, the remaining voltage is still high, and the motor voltage monitor senses a "full charge."

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Yeah it doesn’t understand - and it doesn’t have enough digits!

[@eliinthewolverinestate6729]

I like the little solar electric pontoon boats.

[@Graysons-creations]

I’m 14 and have been saving for a boat for a while and I found a 12ft alumacraft last week and I might get it soon I’m so excited to get on the water and fish out of it 😁 btw great video as always

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Best of luck!

[@Graysons-creations]

@@WayneTheBoatGuy wow you responded btw todays the day I’m so excited 😁

[@Varue]

@@Graysons-creations did you get the boat

[@Graysons-creations]

@@Varue I did it’s a g3 not a alumacraft it came with a evinrude sporttwin I got running and it needs a prop though but it should be ready for use in the next few days I have gone pond fishing already in it using a trolling motor it’s overall a great boat

[@DaHa-rv6hn]

@@Graysons-creations I’m might have three of them.. if it’s like the weedless 3 hp yachttwin

[@slacktide_angler]

Nice video! Now the numbers are starting to look realistic. This is pretty great. As a salmon troller my sessions are 4-6hrs long and a 5hp kicker would be pushing my 16’ boat along at 2-4mph. I think ePropulsion could replace my 5hp gas and make it quieter and more relaxing out there on the chuck..

[@TriviaChallenge]

So much less complex and reliable then gas. Not sure of timescales but this IS the future.

[@MarkWalters-g9x]

Hello Wayne, EV technology is great! I've enjoyed having a high power 75hp stealth electric outboard on my 17' bow rider runabout. Excellent choice for the type of lake boating we enjoy. We can go over 20 miles on one charge. The top speed is 27 MPH and the last time out, we pulled the raft just for fun. Go Electric!

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

That sounds very interesting! With the motor up top is it loud?

[@MarkWalters-g9x]

The motor itself is very quiet. Any sound is from the Yamaha lower unit gears, wind and water splash. It's quite easy to carry on a conversation while under way. See video: marks gas to electric boat conversion. It shows how it performed with 2 batteries and 96v. I have since added a 3rd battery to operate at 144v.

[@DCFloridasport]

Im reading some comments of folks wanting an all in one motor...trolling, spot lock, and primary power source. A bow mounted motor will work half as hard on spot lock because it wont be pushing the whole boat into wind or current, it finds the sweet spot then "tows" the boat easily. My personal experience here: Expecting a transom mount motor to spot lock is an unreasonably difficult task based on the way the boat presents its mass to current and wind, resulting in twice or three times the corrections and power requirement.

[@thedevilinthecircuit1414]

You can use the GPS function on your phone to read a really accurate MPH.

[@hesseldijkstra5327]

@@thedevilinthecircuit1414 Geo Tracker for example.

[@johncnorris]

It seems like the performance of these electric boat products is getting a lot better.

[@azheatsource]

Great production with a lot of information Thanks.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Minimotoace]

@@WayneTheBoatGuy the battery you bought is not lithium ion, it’s a lifepo4 battery they are known to be better and last longer in the test of time

[@mcabkeller]

Boat has ton of potential.

[@Umanflyumanfly]

Yeah , my thoughts exactly , seems he would invest in better gear , and spruce that thing up . I was more interested in the boat than the motor 🚤.......zoom zoom

[@trcass1]

Nice segment Wayne. Great review of your motor's battery and it's extended range it provides. wind on the bay and its tributaries can come up in a heartbeat.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Thanks! - Yeah this little motor did well, but I wouldn't wanna be out with it when the weather gets more serious!

[@trcass1]

@@WayneTheBoatGuy i'm not sure i would want to be in a jon boat if it got serious....lol. i used to have a 2452 Baylier. it was a great boat for the bay. i got rid of it after it sat 10 years and the motor seized up. slips got too expensive and it was right at the limit for one person to handle. I know the boat will be put to good use and brought back to life. the guy i gave it to is a mechanic so he'll ge able to tear down and rebuild the Mercruiser Alpha 1.

[@nicks9360]

Love those lithium iron phosphate batteries. I just put a 300 amp hour 12 volt with a Minn Kota 12 volt terrova and I can take the boat out 8 to 10 times ( full day fishing) in heavy current and only use about half of the batterie power it is a game changer and never have range anxiety like I did with the 12 volt lead acid battery which couldn't even make it through one day without dying on me. It's the same weight as the lead acid battery. I have all the features of anchor lock autopilot. Top speed is about 3 mph. It would be nice if trolling motors would go a little faster than that but still gets the job done. It's on a 14 ft Carolina Skiff.

[@sharonbraselton3135]

Yanamsre 28. Disel boat

[@sharonbraselton3135]

18 hp. Yanmar dissel

[@VeteMjol-ef3bn]

I saw that you wrote about needing trailer guides, the problems you had when ramping the boat up would have been easy to fix by just parking closer to the dock/jetty and having the boat further out so that you had more space to turn the boat, hope this helps!

[@wellhookedWA]

Great video and really informative. I mainly fish the Swan River in Western Australia and there is a 5 knot limit in most of the areas I fish, so this topic really interests me. My boat 'The Pocket Rocket' is ever evolving, and my aim is to eventually get rid of the 50hp petrol outboard and replace with an electric motor, but I'll keep the Motorguide on the bow. I'm considering removing the fuel tank and putting a large Lith battery in its place. It's some time off becoming an affordable option, but great to see the stuff you are doing. Thanks for sharing.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Yeah it is handy when we're in speed restricted areas and running motors that can't exceed any speed limits.

[@wes326]

A large solar array (3000 watts) on a pontoon boat would be ideal. Thanks for sharing.

[@Scalamucci]

When I'm in Florida I wonder why all pontoons don't have panels.

[@wes326]

@anthonyscalise7398 Some people use them for skiing and pulling tubes, but for just cruising around and relaxing, solar/electric would be ideal. Could do both in reality.

[@CR33DH20]

Hi Wayne ,, Glad ive found this channel,,. as i find myself increasingly closer to the inevitable " 1st dip into boat ownership". Alot of good content which has got me thinking more about what i require from a small vessel and power source. I work as a Heating Engineer primarily in renewables , So your Vlogs on Electric/ Solar in particular are of interest. any other recommendations woupd be much appreciated,, keep up the Great content.. Atb Ry from Cornwall 👍

[@dailyrider2975]

Actually you say people go faster for long trips, but in England your speed already exceeds the speed limit set in their canal system. They have thousands of narrow boats and many take long very slow trips. I know apple and oranges, but their are people who are about the trip not the speed. Also your Whaler could easily have a couple 400 watt bifacial solar panels to help out as well and give you cover from sun and weather. Great video btw! 👍

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Yeah we are limited to 6 mph in some areas of my river - and yes this boat could be a good candidate for a solar roof.

[@rockobeam2706]

@@WayneTheBoatGuy could even use the flexible ones that you can walk on. Nice fishing boat

[@maxsparks5183]

Sorry you live where there are speed limits for boats. Thankfully here in the southern USA where I live there are no speed limits for boats. 🇺🇸😊

[@hugoglenn9741]

@@maxsparks5183 he is on Saltwater, when do the Feds step I ? I’m on the intercoastal

[@Enonymouse_]

Torqueedo is one of several excellent outboard makers, FYI. Spend money where it matters, propulsion!!

[@JK-zl7vv]

Helpful tip: when puting your boat onto your trailer, leave 1/4 of your carpeted skid pads out of the water, when you back your trailer into the water, this will help keep your boat centered on the trailer when your getting your boat out of the water, when you back your trailer too far into the water, your boat won't want to stay properly aligned with the trailer, so it will be off to one side and leaning when you pull forward, so leave one forth of your skids out of the water, and you will find the boat centers perfectly every time. 😎👍

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Yeah my trailer was in too deep! Good tip!!

[@SuperGreenshades]

Love the set up (if it was me I'd look at adding a front seat and close to traditional steering for that style boat) even with the water logged boat a Boston whaler is amazing and likely will never sink. Still love yur set up cant wait to see what ya do, consider a small solar panel near the front of the boat?

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Yeah I am rethinking my seating and there's certainly room for some solar!

[@markallison8108]

Get yourself a power winch 👍🏻

[@BurchellAtTheWharf]

0:06 ohh yea, you got my interest and attention

[@michaelmello9510]

Great video I learned a lot about the motor thanks

[@gar7764]

Love the video and that whaler, it looks like a nice boat to run around in. How do you explain that battery purchase to your wife, LOL

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

I just finished renovating the kitchen so she's good!

[@PunkR0ckz09]

My pet peeves in regards to ePropulsions and the likes is that they do not have any of the functionality of a bow/transom mounted trolling motor. It would be awesome to have a 3hp electric motor to have those functions for trolling for bigger, meaner, faster fishes like muskies, pikes and the like. I have a 19 footer and unless I go 36-48v, I wouldn't be able to do so, so ePropulsion would be a great alternative, but the lack of functions is killing the appeal. Could you imagine a 3hp electric outboard capable of following routes, anchor in heavy winds/wakes, troll at any given speed, etc? That'd be a dream.

[@axscdvfb]

I just got a Garmin Kraken trolling motor. It can drag a 28ft boat at 3mph. On Wayne’s boat it will FLY.

[@goranraos7016]

I seriously doubt it. From what I saw on specs, it has less power then Epropulsion.

[@axscdvfb]

@@goranraos7016 the Kraken draws 54A / 36v at 100% power. That’s 1944W. That’s almost 2x the rated power of the epropulsion.

[@axscdvfb]

KZbin won’t let me post links, but search for captian Paul Kim kraken first impression. He has a video that shows the run speed on his big catamaran.

[@goranraos7016]

​@@axscdvfb I must have seen a different model? Could you link the cutest one?

[@tonybarnes3858]

Since I can't imagine motoring around all day in that little jonboat for any reason (not a fishing fanatic) I can extrapolate that this might be a decent outboard to use in support of sailing my 18 foot pocket cruiser on inland lakes, or other day/overnight sailing trips. On and off the dock or launch ramp in crowded conditions (gotta love crazy pontoon boat, speedboat and jetski jocks), getting becalmed etc. Oil and gas leaks SUCK in the water, on the shore or at marina ramps.Thanks.

[@yanzhangmd]

You could add a large solar top, a solar charge controller, then you won't need that much battery. It looks like your boat can add 600 watt solar top. So you can add roughly 400 watt hour every hour.

[@yanzhangmd]

600 watt solar top only add about 20 pounds weight.

[@yanzhangmd]

You can add the solar top no matter what. It can make you go even further.

[@cubicow7561]

Electric in situations like this is great. Allows for money to go into R&D for batteries and motors without people needing to buy whole cars. Plus for most people boats and especially small boats are not an essential for everyday life, so the downsides of charging are felt way less

[@johnmicalizzi126]

I paid $469 between my $55 thrust motor in my 100 amp battery lithium phosphate and it works perfectly fine and I can run my boat for almost 10 hours and it goes 4 mph works fine!

[@mikeb6957]

I appreciate your videos. Still electric motors are coming up short to gas. You are right about boating folks will pay for what they want some want quite some want speed price be dammed. Keep up the journey.

[@JCinematic]

Hey Wayne long time subscriber here, thank you for the video! It's always really interesting to explore new technologies for boats this video was an interesting watch to see how it performs. Can I ask what got you into boats? All the best J from the UK.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

I got into boats because a few years ago we moved to a community that was close to the water. Almost everyone in the neighborhood has a boat and the boat ramp is really close to my house so I figured it was a good time to learn about boats!

[@russellzauner]

You may get better speeds with the new battery as it's rated at a higher raw voltage and larger capacity so it should have less sag given the same load as the smaller, lower quiescent voltage unit. There is open source electric motor controller firmware that ends up being applicable to any device (initially developed for drones, IIRC) that uses a battery; when you change your battery, if your motor core can handle it, you can also tweak your performance to match the fuel.

[@bChipps]

The whaler with the navy 9.9hp would be a beast

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Yeah - This boat is begging for a bigger motor!

[@bChipps]

@@WayneTheBoatGuy reno the bathroom and I’m sure you’ll be able to sell it to the wife

[@hugoglenn9741]

A boat if never a “beast” if it’s a planing hull but the propulsion can’t make it plane

[@gsestream]

well, you can also put a large solar panel as the floor of a boat.

[@stevey_z]

I have two 170 sunpower flexible on my bimini though I bought them before the tariff. Lfp batteries. my boat is almost cheap as sunlight to operate at low speeds but it's a hybrid for now. There are now big enough electric outboards that I could switch

[@cmacclel]

Cool but $1799 for the Epoch is out of most peoples price point when you can buy 4x 12v 100ah batteries for around $650 on sale these days. Also if one goes bad you only have to replace one battery.

[@BillyCairns-hm3xx]

I did just that on my sailboat for that very reason and I'm pleased with the results.

[@SolarizeYourLife]

And the real sad point is lead acid batteries should be a lot cheaper, but they are not for some reason....

[@MarvinWestmaas]

WEIZE 48V(51.2V) 105AH LiFePO4 $1,049.99 is a better price composition, but you're right if you don't mind the added weight/space/complexity a 4s1p is cheaper.

[@JohnBraman413]

hook up a battery shunt to be able to monitor the battery capacity.

[@jasonbroom7147]

I just bought two of the Li-Time 24v, 100AH batteries, for $506/ea. I am wiring them in series (for which they are rated) to get 48 volts. This is for a home storage solution, but it could absolutely do the exact same thing as the Epoch battery in this video...at $700 less.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

That's awesome. I'm not sure if the Li-Time batteries are marine rated though.

[@jasonbroom7147]

@@WayneTheBoatGuy - Some of them are, but they do cost a little more. Still not as much as the one from Epoch, which is really a top-notch product.

[@hugoglenn9741]

West Marine was having a sale on Li-Ion batteries maybe at a lower price

[@MarvinWestmaas]

WEIZE 48V(51.2V) 105AH LiFePO4 $1,049.99 does that 2p in one convenient package ;) Prices are good now, might not last with the incoming US administration tho.

[@jasonbroom7147]

@@MarvinWestmaas - I have a 24v system at my house and a 48v system at my summer vacation home. A dedicated 48v battery is the right solution for most folks.

[@dailyrider2975]

ego battery rack mount $1100 same size. Depends what you need. Nice thing is if you can use the rack mount it's easy to transfer to use with home solar when not boating or use in other vehicle.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Rack mount certainly has cool possibilities!

[@MarvinWestmaas]

WEIZE 48V(51.2V) 105AH LiFePO4 $1,049.99 8D Battery (20.55x10.6x8.66 in) Prices are good atm, lots of choices.

[@browngreen933]

This would be great in an offgrid home, but for primary boat propulsion gasoline is still king.

[@sharonbraselton3135]

Hybride outdated best

[@AAE-cg1il]

Here is a free experiment you can try. Raise the motor on the transom about an inch. You may pick up a little bit of speed. You can raise it by just laying a strip of something…like wood….on the top of the transom when putting the motor on. The higher the motor the less drag you create and rpm’s at a given setting will be higher. However, you can be too high and suck air……but it’s easily readjusted if that’s the case.

[@rickc303]

RPM, don't pluralize a plural

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Yeah I actually think this motor sits a little bit high on this transom and not low - but there’s usually room for improvement.

[@Dingleberry1856]

@@rickc303suck a rock.

[@yarramsetti]

Any small flexible solar panel to charge the battery? Great Video

[@marviwilson1853]

Solar panels have been around for decades now. You must know that!

[@Lana_Warwick]

Can get sealed (waterproof) car/truck case style 48v 100Ah 100>200A with BMS and 10A charger for

[@jacklowe3788]

Hello very interesting- I've been thinking about Lithium batteries for couple years & it's looking like great option to old school lead acid batteries I've been running for years- Could I ask how long & wide your trailer is? I got lucky on similar purchase of 1964 same boat you have but need a trailer- It's probably waterlogged as well but No matter I'm going to patch & paint it up Put 40hp tiller on back & couple bench seats & set oars to make knock around skiff in Virginia waters - Thanks for video!

[@Webcrawler45]

Charging at full on your charger will not even get that battery warm much less hot. It will not hurt it a bit...That is a NICE battery...I use four 50 Ah lithium batteries in my little 12' Pond Prowler one man fishing boat with the same EPropulsion Spirit Plus.... I get roughly 2.5 hr of run time at full speed which is right at 5 mph. By the way, the longer the boat, the faster it will tend to go in displacement mode with similar hull designs...My guess is you were getting about 5.25mph at full speed. I would also note that the Sprit pulls right at 20 amp at full speed so you run time is 100ah/20a = 4 hours or about 20 mies of range.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Yeah I can't imagine needing any more range than that when I'm only going 5 mph!

[@Webcrawler45]

@@WayneTheBoatGuy I am going to add 500W Bifacial solar panels to my Electric pontoon, but it is mainly to charge it over time. Not really useful for run time. Theses will basically stick out over the outboard on the rear where they will get the most sun as my dock faces due west... I think I will do a video on my three electric boats....I really like your channel and the projects you are working on. The Jimmy skiff II is a GREAT build...

[@darcymason319]

would make a nice kicker tbh

[@bellevue260]

Prices will come down and tech will go up. This is a great set up for many small lakes that don't allow gas or for people who don't want to deal with gas. Also, a brand new gas motor isn't exactly cheap. Not sure what the price comparison is, but its worth a look based on your needs!

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

The up front costs are still a bit higher for an electric - but after a few years it has the potential to be more cost effective

[@mattwright2964]

​@@WayneTheBoatGuy also for safety petrol motors have to be serviced every year which of you don't do it yourself is expensive. I honestly think that for smaller lakes and some inshore sea activities, things will go electric.

[@marviwilson1853]

The pleasure of being on the water in silence and without noxious 2 stroke gasses around you is worth twice the price!

[@mattwright2964]

@marviwilson1853 I agree, the beauty of being in nature is enhanced by quiet motors. Also you can sneak up on spooky trout and there is v little risk of pollution (petrol spills and oil leaks etc). Think they are great.

[@eddowney9548]

Hi Wayne. That's a nice battery for sure and you should be able to do 9hrs+ at 500 watts, so you'll likely have no range anxiety if you stay down at that power output. I am running a 24v 70lb trolling motor that runs at 42 amps at 24v = 1008 watts, so about the same as yours. I am using an inflatable Intex Mariner 4 with an 8kw home made battery I built last winter, so of course I have no range anxiety either. I can go 4mph (at 540 watts) for over 15hrs, so 60 mile range! When I increase to full throttle (1kw) I only get 4.5mph, so not worth it for me. I have gone out and ran the thing at 540watts for 7 hrs, so, about 21 miles a few times this year. That battery you bought is very nice, and a good price, but doesn't work for me. My battery is 100lbs as well, but I broke it down into 4 blocks of 25lbs each. And since I have to set up and tear down my boat every time I go out, and I am 60 yrs old and still want to do this for many more years, I needed something manageable. I'm guessing they sell a smaller battery that you can then put in series or parallel (be extra careful putting lithium in parallel, just fyi!), so I guess it's probably still doable. My batteries are 8s2p ( actually 120 cells in parallel and 8 in series). Each 25lb block is 4s60p and I have two sets in series to get 2 packs of 8s that I then hook up (very carefully) in parallel. So my voltage range is 24v at empty and 33.6v at full. It is over volted and that is dangerous as well, but I stay at about 30a (18ishv) out of my cheap 200a Chinese PWM. So it's all good. I guess I should make a vid and post it on my new system, but I'm too busy having fun cruisin'

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Yeah this battery is not easily moved!

[@sharonbraselton3135]

Long range charg up bahmas

[@MarvinWestmaas]

Nice! I have the same inflatable, currently using a plain 12v 54lb trolling motor with two 80Ah LiFePo, but I am looking at that Chinese 'Hangkai 5.0' 48v. It's not 5hp, the engine rating is ~1300w iirc, it has a 25A controller. Pair it with a WEIZE 48V(51.2V) 100Ah 5120Wh LiFePO4 Group D battery. Weight is a concern for me, I actually transport the boat behind my ebike in two transport carts. One with a basket which holds the boat and small accessories, the other a flat top which hold the floor of the Mariner 4 and depending on what I'm taking out my 5hp outboard with some jerrycans or my trolling motor with the batteries. The WEIZE would add to my current weight, and the Hangkai is heavier as my current Rhino Vx54 eco for sure. But it would weigh only a bit more as the gas motor + added gasoline. And compared to a trolling motor I would get much more speed out of that setup, while still being able to go slow and efficient when needed. Not sure about the exact behavior, I mean my 5hp gas get's me on plane when I'm alone but with my son it wouldn't budge. Ofc Mariner 4 isn't made to plane, but it's fun anyway.

[@eddowney9548]

@@MarvinWestmaas Hi Marvin. I just looked at your vid with that 5hp. My kind of guy, I think the transom - motor mount there is rated for 2.5hp max, haha! Gas engine is the way to go if you intend to go faster than 4mph

[@MarvinWestmaas]

@@eddowney9548 Nah, it's rated for 3.5hp, it's only recommended to not go over 2.5hp on the hull/boat itself. Anyway that's where the additional transom strengthening comes into play. The only thing is if I ever get into an accident on the water it's an extra step for me to prove it wasn't because of my 'modification' or I could get into insurance issues. If I were really serious, and if you could trailer the setup, a fixed wooden floor to replace the slat one would allow mounting much sturdier transom ( strengthening ) as well as some swivel seats and some storage ect. Lots of examples if you search for Mariner4 custom floor I got my inspiration from iboat forums extensive topic covering just that. Would link to but you know, yt would just eat the entire comment it might still. Anyway, the hull isn't rigid enough to plane especially when loaded down, fixed wooden floor also improves handling a lot. But alas, I can't trailer the thing so I'm stuck with the slat floor. And unlike some, I won't use the 'over inflate the tubes to get a more rigid hull trick' I trust the manufacturer''s recommendations 😇😇 I was fine for quite some time with my Minnkota 30lbs but that was when I was alone. Now with my son alone with me it already drops to max 12km/h or 7.5m/h let alone taking something along like 80lbs of batteries ect. If you use it for fishing alone it's a whole different thing then when trying to use it as an 'advertised' 4 person leisure craft. I would pick the Mariner3 for the former anyway, even easier to lug around. Anyway, considering most of the 'strengthening' I've needed to do has to do with the 20kg gross weight of the engine. Btw, 20kg is the max rated for the factory plastic transom... I broke a few. The Hangkai weighs ~10kg. So even if I gain weights with the battery I loose it where it really counts. The costs of the battery was which stopped me, but for the same price I bought two 80Ah 12v LiFePo batteries a couple of years ago, I can now get a 48v 100Ah or almost. I don't have the cash right now to splurge on it but if I had I would take this option over my trolling setup. You can still troll with it, and you're capable of using it as a leisure craft without people getting to bored along the way. ps the cruise control he couldn't figure out in this video is really simple: twist throttle to go speed you want, press the button and let go of the throttle... it will keep it's current setting until you twist the throttle again. So that might come in handy along those banks.

[@gotstars]

15 hp yamaha over that all day long. Way underpowered. This video probably is going to help a lot of people make a decision on that outboard.. The battery is great.!!!!!!!!

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Yeah a 15 hp provides a lot more appropriate power and speed for a boat like this than a 3 hp!

[@dougaranda6187]

I don’t know how I would feel about plunking down a 100 pound battery on the floor of my 12’ Jon boat. Just that 100 pounds would slow the boat down. I just think if you’re a fresh water fisherman, you can’t take that long to get to the next spot. Half of your time on the water would be consumed just in travel time.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

There’s so many variables and this setup is only right for some.

[@MarvinWestmaas]

Sad;y energy density of gasoline keeps beating battery technology, for now.

[@jerryq1000]

I now run two 12v lead/acid batteries in series for my trolling motor. I'd love to lose the weight with an Li battery, but just can't get past the $1000 cost.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

The price has come down - a 24 volt LiFePo set up is now pretty reasonable.

[@jerryq1000]

@@WayneTheBoatGuy from Tiny Boat Nation?

[@davidharris453]

Great, real world video, lot of good information well presented. One question....1 hp=750 watts. So running full out at maximum 3 hp rating would require at least 2250 watts draw yet your full out was only 1000 watts draw. Not enough battery amps to power 3 hp worth? Second question...does it really weigh 96 lbs? My 48 volt 50 amp litthium battery made out of a portion of a chevy volt battery pack only weighs 35 lbs. I thought litthium would be lighter. Great video.

[@AndrewSheldon]

It's low power density Lithium iron phosphate, LFP, not Lithium ion ternary, which are lighter per unit weight.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Yeah I don't understand how all of the electric outboard manufacturers rate the "equivalent power" because it doesn't match up with horsepower/watts. This motor draws 1,000 watts at full power but is considered a 3 hp "equivalent". Same goes for Torqeedo and Newport etc. I have compared this with older 2 stroke gasoline motors of similar horsepower and the gasoline engines have slightly more top speed (but only slightly). With regards to the battery pack - without the packaging it comes in at 92 lbs. Maybe the heating/cooling and BMS (and perhaps the water-rated case itself) probably help contribute to the weight. A friend just purchased a different brand 48 volt 50 Ah and it weighed half of this battery which makes some sense.

[@davidharris453]

Thank you both for the intelligent responses. I think both of you are correct in your respective answers. I have heard the 3 to 1 rough equivilancy before but I didn't know manufacturers used it in their advertising. And the different chemistries would account for weight discrepancies. I'm groping around in the dark trying to build an amphibious launch to be used in improving human created wetlands for a turtle conservation organization called a turtle for every log. I'm using electric motors to operate two mudmotors for water propulsion and 4 more electric motors to operate 4 pairs of retractable wheels attached to 4 walking beams for suspension. To say I have few examples to draw from is an understatement so whenevers. I run across applicable information i am very grateful. I also have enjoyed your videos down to earth presentations for quite awhile.

[@AndrewSheldon]

@@WayneTheBoatGuy I suspect its based on 'equivalency in useful energy' as opposed to rated power capacity. The disclosure is probably an asterisk on the box in font 5 or 6.

[@MarvinWestmaas]

@@WayneTheBoatGuy That Chinese 'HangkaiI with a 1300w rated electrical motor get's a '5 hp' rating from the manufacturer. Regarding weight, LiFePo4 is less energy dense as 'normal' lithium batteries. But, you get more cycles and some added safety which is nice. I know people who run ebikes with homemade LiPo packs for RC cars, homemade harnas throw a few in series and you got lots and lots of power at a very light weight... ofc if you get a short or puncture one of the packs you're SOL. But, lots and lots of power with very low weight.. but mostly lots and lots of power ( especially peak discharge is nice and high with those packs ).

[@stevebowdoin3727]

If you install a roof of any kind, you will be in the shade. Get a rod, reel and a deep diving lure and go catch dinner.

[@Betts456]

id like to give this a try as well. could you have used a the 36v, 24v or 12volt epoch batteries that are on the site as well? or does it need to be a 48v battery?

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

This electric outboard requires 48 volts

[@Kulis747]

How many minutes did you run at max power to get to the 77%? I have the same motor, and you've inspired me to do this battery upgrade. Thanks for sharing!

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

In total I probably ran at top speed for almost 2 hours and lower speeds for at least 30 more minutes.

[@Kulis747]

@@WayneTheBoatGuy Thank you! I appreciate you and your channel.

[@Secondwind2010]

Someone I know converted his sailboat to electric and used this battery.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Sailboat hulls are cool for this type of project.

[@sharonbraselton3135]

Buyy j88 solar saikrr

[@thedevilinthecircuit1414]

Just like The Monkees, "I'm a Beleeber!"

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

That’s what I hear in my head!

[@alexportiiii6414]

watch out for sharks!!

[@bobl1769]

Great video but one should NEVER run any outboard out of the water without either removing the propeller or sticking a large bucket or garbage can under it to protect your legs, plastic propeller or not. Don’t worry about the safety of the battery, worry about yourself and your loved ones.

[@adamg2633]

@@bobl1769 the blade stops when it hits an obstacle

[@WillyK51]

I know many are going Green. But where allowed will still use my 2 Stroke Johnson 15Hp that will plane my old 12 ft Starcraft with 4 people and gear. Most where I fish is big water. 30-45 minutes runs usual. I you just put-put arround a trolling motor enough👍

[@adamtedder1012]

Whatever works for you. Nothing wrong with electric or gas. It's all about what we want and need for our desired purpose. I support the right to have what we want for what we want. I run electric hybrid on my micro trawler. My buddies run outboards. My dinghy has a electric only outboard. It's all our choice.

[@74nova36]

@@WillyK51 you put 4 people on a 12 footer?? *Wild*

[@WillyK51]

@@74nova36 They fit, plenty freeboard Often don't fish alone, place 2 on shore to wade and 2 casting on the boat plus loaded cooler, and gear. 15 Hp will plane easily

[@fjalics]

It's early days for electric motors and boats. What you are looking at is an early upgrade. Obviously, electric motors can make loads of power. Ever hear of the Tesla Model S Plaid, Lucid Saphire, or Rimac Nevera. Of course they need, and have batteries that are 100-120kwh, compared to this battery which is 4.8kwh, so upsizing is one option. The other trick I've seen which is fancy, but very effective, is combining it with hydrofoils. That triples the range at speed. So that really expands what you can do. Nobody makes battery boats that cross the atlantic. I think electric motors are going to take over from gas in small lakes with horsepower limits pretty quick, but long distance will take time or money.

[@brianhennig6931]

Electric is coming, growing, and not going away. There is definitely a future for this but not for everyone yet. I don't like the charge time. Fill a gas tank(even with mixing) 10 minutes. Charge a battery, hours. Same with cars. Solar panels help with that but don't fix it. When they can use easily replaceable power cell for cars or boats, then we will have a true game changer

[@adddude7524]

Still a bit pricey but marine grade is always a premium.

[@MarvinWestmaas]

WEIZE 48V(51.2V) 100Ah 5120Wh LiFePO4 • Group 8D Battery Size (20.51 x 10.59 x 8.66 in) • 100% BMS Protection & 3% Low Self-discharging Rate • 5120Wh Energy, 5120W Output • 3 Charging Methods(LiFePO4 Charger/Solar Panel/Generator) & 10X Charging Efficiency • Max. 4P, Up to 20.48kWh • IP65 Waterproof Grade • Suitable for RVs, Solar Systems, Marine Use, And Off-Grid Setups • 2000+ Cycles at 100% DOD & 8000 Cycles at 50% DOD • 10 Years Warranty 850 bucks....

[@seriksson9721]

Only it doesn't catch fire, like some electric cars. Exciting.

[@AndrewSheldon]

LFP chemistry doesn't catch fire like some petrol cars, or Lithium ion. No thermal runaway.

[@seriksson9721]

@@AndrewSheldon Thanks.

[@iandtexarkana4549]

Trolling motors pair nicely with a marine battery. Outboard motors pair well with gas. Let's make gas outboards great again! 😄😄😄

[@mdovera2]

I have a propulsion 1.0 original which runs at 40 V. But they usually means there’s a range. Is there a step down that I could use with one of the 48 V lithium batteries so that I could use that with my propulsion original?

[@CRuM770]

Hp equivelece for a boat motor is meaningless, especially for such a small motor. Usually, they are comparing torque, but that only dictates the acceleration rate, not top speed. If it takes 10 seconds more or less to get up to top speed in a boat like this, nobody cares. This is a 1⅓ Hp motor. It is deceptive to call it anything else. Now, for cars, given the amount of time you spend accelerating, it makes a difference. Car gas engines are often over sized to get the acceleration so a much smaller electric can have similar performance. I still dont like the comparison, but at least it makes sense. So everyone should start calling these companies out for deceptive marketing practices.

[@SuperSport1966]

Should run 4.8 hours with no energy loss. There is energy loss, so just under that. But, that’s still awesome! 100Ah x 48v = 4800Wh Your motor was using roughly 1000 watts, so 4800Wh would give you 4.8 hours. Of course, the watts were not exact, and you have some loss to heat, etc. but it’s a close estimation. 👍

[@douglaskonzel8191]

The crows agree

[@zachchan9464]

Does it ever get hot? I want to use it on my inflatable boat

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Not too hot. The motor itself is below the water (which cools it) and the cables can sometimes get warm but not really hot.

[@AndrewSheldon]

Question: If high power throttle on 3hp electric drive gives half the range, what happens if, rather than 'cutting power' to get range, you pay more for a higher horsepower motor, say 6hp (if available) and run that at half speed? Is there an economy of scale?

[@HarmanRobotics]

Not really. For boats that are running in displacement mode (not planing or foiling), to double the speed requires eight times the power. Doubling the speed requires double the power, doubled again, then doubled once more. In other words, if it takes 500W to go 5 mph, it would take 4,000W to go 10 mph. Likewise, doubling the motor's 500W to 1,000W gets you a speed increase of only just 1.2 mph. Power is doubled (x2) so the speed increase is the cube root of that, (cube root of 2 is 1.26); 5mph * 1.26 = ~6.3 mph for double the power input. Power required goes up as the cube of speed. Slowing down just a little bit saves a tremendous amount of energy.

[@marviwilson1853]

Given motor efficiencies are the same for each case, a 3hp motor running at full whack will give the same range as a 6hp motor running at half power for a given KWHr battery capacity when running at the same boat speed.

[@scottholloway9506]

batteries in boats for propulsion are generally stupid..weight is always there,and don't get them wet as fire result when do. good luck trying to put out one of those fires in a boat.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Water doesn't set one of these batteries on fire.

[@music-jj2pl]

@7:38 does the tiller read out tell you how much runtime and charge is left on the 3rd party battery? Or do I need to get a battery with bluetooth to know those details?

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

It does show an assumed charge left, but because the 100 Ah battery is so much bigger than the standard battery - the max numbers are 9:59 (I think) and it stays there until the battery really starts getting low because it can't display anything over 10 hours.

[@cbinett]

ePropulsion Navy 6.0 will be a better match with this battery and your boat. 8-)

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Yes it would!

[@466rudy6]

Is it Lithium Iron or Lithium Ion?

[@jimmarks6437]

Boston Whalerrrrr!!!

[@ragdolltrucking]

i get the idea if it was a backup or kicker motor on a big boat, maybe even a tender, but i dont see the appeal for boats like that, so much money for a whole lot of "meh"

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Yeah this motor was not designed to be used on this boat - but it's my test mule!

[@zackriden79]

5 gal fuel tank and a 10HP merc nothings wrong with it and if you can't afford 5 gals of gas you can't afford 48Volt 2k battery and charger

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

This option isn't more cost effective, but it does have other benefits over gasoline engines (and I am not talking about pollution) that some boaters really appreciate.

[@MarvinWestmaas]

There are more and more places where they ban even 4 stroke gassers. Also, 'nothing wrong with it' doesn't mean there can't be advantages. Especially btw if you factor in what you save in gas with this setup over it's lifetime. 8000 cycles isn't unheard off with still some decent capacity, but even 2k cycles at 100% guaranteed that will be a lot of gas. And if you have some property area you can charge it using solar / wind which will cost you nothing. Even if you charge through the grid, your price per km will be so much lower that over the years long lifetime you will at least come very close to earning back any additional up front cost for an electrical system as long as you use it enough to offset that purchase price.

[@Dennco2000]

Even back in the 70s a good deep cycle battery would last all day, and you’re trying to sell us on a package that cost more than a 15 horse four stroke of any model lol😂😂😂😂 btw 4 years from now that battery will be at its half life at best. Enjoy sailor keep me laughing I love your videos.

[@MarvinWestmaas]

LiFePo4 has a 80-100% guaranteed capacity at 2000 cycles, some offering warranty up to 8000 cycles / 10 years. WEIZE 48V(51.2V) 100Ah 5120Wh LiFePO4 Lithium Battery • Group 8D Battery Size (20.51 x 10.59 x 8.66 in) • 100% BMS Protection & 3% Low Self-discharging Rate • 5120Wh Energy, 5120W Output • 3 Charging Methods(LiFePO4 Charger/Solar Panel/Generator) & 10X Charging Efficiency • Max. 4P, Up to 20.48kWh • IP65 Waterproof Grade • Suitable for RVs, Solar Systems, Marine Use, And Off-Grid Setups • 2000+ Cycles at 100% DOD & 8000 Cycles at 50% DOD • 10 Years Warranty 850 bucks.... And stop lying, no 70's deep cycle battery could run current gen motors 'all day'. If you mean, the 70's 'electric motors' which could manage 2mph and still be terribly inefficient while doing so, being run at quarter throttle so it moves at glacier speeds.. maybe that could 'run all day' how useless it woul be regardless.

[@MarvinWestmaas]

... WEIZE 48V(51.2V) 105AH LiFePO4 850 bucks... That's their budget variant, for 200 or so more you have bluetooth and what not added. Don't think people need that tho, so saving 200 bucks and getting the same capacity is a no brainer. I mean, c'mon everything in that shop linked above is twice as expensive.

[@eliinthewolverinestate6729]

If it was 24 volt I know some boat lifts that could use it.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

I think they do offer 24 volt batteries as well

[@arcadiosjose398]

Would any 48v battery equivalent on Amazon which cost less work?

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Ideally you should probably run marine-rated 48 volt batteries. But yes, there are other options.

[@marviwilson1853]

The motor never concerns itself with the price of the battery, only with its specification!

[@arcadiosjose398]

@@marviwilson1853 I did say equivalent

[@MarvinWestmaas]

WEIZE 48V(51.2V) 100Ah 5120Wh LiFePO4 Lithium Battery • Group 8D Battery Size (20.51 x 10.59 x 8.66 in) • 100% BMS Protection & 3% Low Self-discharging Rate • 5120Wh Energy, 5120W Output • 3 Charging Methods(LiFePO4 Charger/Solar Panel/Generator) & 10X Charging Efficiency • Max. 4P, Up to 20.48kWh • IP65 Waterproof Grade • Suitable for RVs, Solar Systems, Marine Use, And Off-Grid Setups • 2000+ Cycles at 100% DOD & 8000 Cycles at 50% DOD • 10 Years Warranty 850 bucks. Google it.

[@cryaboutitwhydontya]

What kind of boat is that?

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

It is an old Boston Whaler - probably a Nausett which came before Montauk. It isn't quite 17 feet long and in terrible shape. I have videos about it.

[@EgonRijpkema]

You probably can't use this battery with a torqeedo travel or can you?

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

If the Torqeedo uses 48 volt and you have a cable to use a third party battery - then I think you could.

[@marviwilson1853]

This is a 48v battery. Obviously DC. If your Torqeedo motor is also 48v then it will work. The battery is capable of outputting up to 120Amp continuous current which equates to just over 5.7 Kw of continuous power. Battery has over current protection in case your Torqeedo motor power is above this figure.

[@truman4956]

That prop doesn’t look like it was designed for the top speed rating.

[@scable-eq7bp]

Wayne, if you had to spend your own money to purchase this setup would you? Right now the price of this setup is beyond what the average person can afford especially when you can get a decent gas outboard new or used at a lower price. I really like this concept and hopefully the price will drop in a few years......

[@billbertagnoli4226]

If you turn the motor down to .5 mph your range and time On the water will be amazing 😊

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Yeah these things will crawl for days!

[@MisterPikol]

bro that battery capacity is for home usage normally, lmao

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

And now it’s for a boat!

[@murraymadness4674]

A 100lb battery is a bad idea. You can connect smaller ones to get the same capacity. Way better.

[@harveywalker1560]

😊

[@larrysheetmetal]

BEEN TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE THAT!!!!!! BUT THEY ARE SO HUNG UP ON anti EV''S THAT THEY don't HEAR OR SEE ANYTHING ELSE !!! fyi in the next two to five years the amount of power batteries can hold will go up 100 to 300 %

[@74nova36]

96lbs. Sheesh!

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Yeah - a bit heavier than a 12 volt lead acid!

[@74nova36]

@@WayneTheBoatGuy whatever gets you on the water. Too bad you can’t mount it a little more forward to offset your own weight

[@Veeefour]

How does that compare to an equivalent tank of gas? A 12 gallon tank isn’t far off!

[@74nova36]

@@Veeefour 12 gallons with a 3 horse power 4-stroke would get you over the range of this by double I bet

[@MarvinWestmaas]

WEIZE 48V(51.2V) 100Ah 5120Wh LiFePO4 Lithium Battery • Group 8D Battery Size (20.51 x 10.59 x 8.66 in) • 100% BMS Protection & 3% Low Self-discharging Rate • 5120Wh Energy, 5120W Output • 3 Charging Methods(LiFePO4 Charger/Solar Panel/Generator) & 10X Charging Efficiency • Max. 4P, Up to 20.48kWh • IP65 Waterproof Grade • Suitable for RVs, Solar Systems, Marine Use, And Off-Grid Setups • 2000+ Cycles at 100% DOD & 8000 Cycles at 50% DOD • 10 Years Warranty 850 bucks and also lighter... a bit ( 85lbs iirc )

[@Ody-up6kg]

interesting story. But for me, $300 for a good 3 HP gas motor leave a WHOLE lot of $$ to buy gas. Technology is not feasible yet.

[@davescheer5038]

🌴Hey Wayne, I really get a “Charge” out of seeing what you got going on next , some interesting set ups you do , now the set up you’ve got there ( total investment) boat ,motor , battery, trailer , ? Is it cost worthy as compared to a small gas motor set up ?, it seemed a bit cloudy out but could you run that motor directly off solar panels? How many panels would it take ? So I’ve been following Forrest in Florida on his DIY builds and since you hooked him up with that motor he’s bought some extra batteries, now is he going to have enough juice to get him to the Bahamas? Could he do direct from solar panels to that motor to get him there and back and use battery to use as emergency power? I’m by far no genius when it one to all this electrical stuff , but our boy Forrest is taking some big chances without having a small gas powered kicker I case he runs out of batteries, but if he had solar panels it would not only give him limitless power and distance , plus a roof to get out of the sun , and maybe rain as needed, in his video he wanted to go from the alum. Boat to maybe a square back canoe ( let’s face Forrest must have been inhaling way to many styrene fumes to think about doing some of the stuff he does ) 😄

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

The boat I used in this video cost $400 (it's ROUGH) and I think I paid $400 or $450 for the trailer. A brand new 6 hp gas outboard would be a cheaper upfront cost option, but this video was focusing on the fact that we can now overcome range and run time concerns with small electric outboards that draw more current than a trolling motor. This motor at full power draws 1,000 watts, so that's a pretty tall order for a solar array. From what I have researched, running direct from solar isn't ideal because of voltage variations. Recommended approaches incorporate a battery (or batteries) that the roof is charging while the motor is drawing from them. I have thought about the idea of using two batteries and having the systems be separate so that the roof is recharging a battery that isn't being drawn down while another battery is just powering the motor.

[@davescheer5038]

@@WayneTheBoatGuy the separate batteries would work great , but then you’ve got the cost of the battery and the extra added weight, I commented to Forrest about roof top panels, he’s worried about i5 catching wind on the open waters , and he’s looking into using a flat bak canoe as his boat if he added an out rigger sponson and made a platform to mount solar on laid flat it wouldn’t catch the wind as much but it to adds weight and drag , Ha, just get a sail boat 🤣👍🏼

[@DanielBean-gs2of]

Ep ick?

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Or E -pock - I hear people say both

[@74nova36]

@@WayneTheBoatGuy eh-pock I think. Idk lol

[@Underpantsniper]

1000watts is not 3 HP. Its about 1.2 hp. 3 HP would be 2300 watts. So i don't know where they get that metric from....

[@stuartthurstan]

@@Underpantsniper Because they call it 3hp "equivalent". Equivalent is the important word here and I believe it equates to the amount of static thrust the motor produces (being roughly equivalent to the static thrust of a 3hp gas outboard). I'm not arguing the validity (or otherwise) of this metric, just pointing out the apparent discrepancy. 😉

[@Flaggyt]

Because you only need 1000watts electric motor to have the same power as a 3hp ice motor. Start questioning the power output of the ice engines...

[@Underpantsniper]

@@Flaggyt I did, they should use a thrust measurement instead of HP

[@hugoglenn9741]

A 3Hp might be rated at the power head and the through the running gear to the prop

[@KayakDIY]

@@Underpantsniper I own one and the motor is way more powerful than my 2.5hp Yamaha. So I would say it doesn’t matter what numbers are advertised it is definitely 3hp or more equivalent. It is my favorite most used motor. I have several Yamahas but love this small EPropulsion Spirit 1.0 plus.

[@SuperWooba]

That's a big battery lol

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Yeah it is!

[@adamtedder1012]

I already have long range electric power for my electric motor. Its called a generator. Lol. Joking not joking. I run hybrid.

[@1234crevis]

sharks gonna eat you if you sink? I'm joking cuz of what trump said..... lol

[@jimbob3030]

1000 watts is only 1.34 horsepower if there were no losses in the drive system at all. It's not at all 3hp equivalent.