WC3 REFORGED Invitational - Grand Final: [NE] Foggy vs. Cash [ORC]

🏆 Back2Warcraft Reforged Invitational
👉 Playlist: • B2W Reforged Invitational
Grand Final
[NE] Foggy vs. Cash [ORC]
Cast by: Neo & Remo
Date: January 29, 2020
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[@karnazacss]

Guys Back2Warcraft guys are not to blame for Reforged... don't dislike this videos. This only hurts them. I bet they preffer Classic aswell, but they don't have another option to go forward. They have been fighting for this game (real wc3 classic) for more than 10 years! Show support to them. Like this so people can realize.

[@Back2Warcraft]

thanks

[@africola5270]

hurts :D

[@negus8810]

@@africola5270 nah its plural bro

[@JacKThEREapER0]

@@Back2Warcraft Guys, i don't know if you already did, but you should make a video clarifying your hands are tied on this version, cause the old one has been merged with the new. I don't think most of the fanbase knows this, hence those dislikes

[@johnmelasfitnessonlinecoac8173]

Good post and very true support the boys! I have to say the new graphics grew on me a lot :)

[@Voidward]

I feel like despite the graphical fidelity increasing significantly, it's as though the art direction fell apart. WC3 has excellent art direction and everything was quite cohesive, while this looks like a patchwork of random assets mashed together with the assumption that it will somehow gel together on it's own.

[@peterswift7]

have the same impression...

[@JagagiMind]

That's a good ass interpretation.

[@gyrosphinx]

That is spot on.

[@brav0wing]

The art direction is way superior amd I have no problem distinguishing anything. That being said, I have played the game since its early Beta and am used to it.

[@Trazynn]

Google "Armies of Azeroth" it's a SC2 mod and it's how a real WC3 remaster should have looked like.

[@JhonathanMoran]

I really enjoy this matches and Warcraft Reforged tournaments. You guys are doing a great job. Thanks.

[@mattmorrison7895]

oh, looks like 2 people were actually able to play the game. Good for those two guys.

[@namethis658]

I was able to play the game since its release.

[@chazmalwick]

I am also able to play this game, I dont own a Potato PC in 2020

[@Snailing_Suika]

I was able to play it then regretted it instantly. call it a reforged still no all select in 2020 call it micro intensive this game is not up to date RTS standarts its garbage also fucking laugh at unit collision and how that blademaster died HAHAHAHA wc3 was and still is horseshit

[@abstractfactory8068]

I'm able to play the game since release without any issue. I think people having issues are people playing it on their same crappy pcs they used to play the old warcraft 3 and then complaining.

[@mattmorrison7895]

When I made this comment a year ago, it was in reference to the horrible servers and lag that made it unplayable on launch week. YT algorithms sure are weird.

[@Grimscribe732]

Man, I wish WC3 still had a bigger platform in eSports. I just love watching these games.

[@neindanke1427]

this overlay is in my opinion inferior. makes it hard to follow the supply

[@Back2Warcraft]

our overlay will be fixed for the weekend

[@JacintSun999]

REST IN PEACE WARCRAFT 3 MY BELOVED GAME. I LOVED YOU FOR 15 YEARS AND NOW OUR RELATIONSHIP IS OVER,OH IT HURTS MY HEART, I MUST DRINK SOMETHING FAST :((((

[@flowstateentertainment8395]

Not sure why everyone is complaining about the art. I think it looks great.

[@namethis658]

It looks great, it's just the fanboys are jumping on the crying bandwagon. WC3 reforged looks good.

[@josh_kerns]

Because like all art it is up to personal interpretation and taste. Just because you like or dislike something does not make it right or wrong. Everyone gets to have their own opinion on art that is how it works.

[@MrOnion-js1ls]

it'd look great for a 2010 game. Not a 2020 game made by Blizzard. Stop defending it.

[@ImHere4Nothing]

No matter what happened or happens to this game. I'll still enjoy high level of play and your casts, thanks for sticking around.

[@memorynuke123]

I can understand some of the complaints, as they are valid. However, some are just people not being okay with change. As someone who lives in the corner of the world, on classic my ping would be 250+. On Reforged, I've had lower ping, no lag or any disconnections issues yet. (If you have latency issues , it may be because you haven't purchased reforged.) The general UI is rough and doesn't look very good, but seems to be free of any major bugs (there are minor issues, such as scrolling bug, images not being aligned etc, but these are no major issues to the gameplay itself, and over the course of the next few weeks and months, the game will be going through constant patches) It is understandable the SWEs/Blizzard would want to prioritize merging the servers (which is incredibly hard), and have a functioning gameplay over a UI by the release date. The graphics IMO are nice, and close up you can see that they did put a lot of work into making it look good. If outsourcing is the basis of your opinion, it wasn't outsourced to some crappy company in China. It was outsourced to a pretty reputable company called Lemon Sky in Malaysia. Before their work can be used, they go through and finalized by Blizzards graphical artists. I think people have to be careful to separate opinions that valid from ones that are based on knee jerk reactions on change - and one we see right now is downvoting Back2Warcraft content. It's immature, these guys do not work for Blizzard and they do this for the love of the game and for the community. Just remember guys, game development/software engineering is a complex iterative process. I'm sure the team are losing sleep, constantly working on it, and there will be many patches over the next few weeks/months.

[@gamerdudegamerdude4961]

U get low ping coz blizzard region locked the servers and one can no longer play with other players from other regions.

[@magicskyfairy69]

Does anyone else find that the movements in Reforged are clunkier than in classic? I find also that surrounds are much harder to land in reforged because if a unit is out of place, and you go to re adjust it, all the other units that are needed for the surround start walking around randomly instead of staying in place, as they did in classic

[@JacKThEREapER0]

lol this remaster looks like a 2009 game

[@ImHere4Nothing]

How should a rts that tries to stay true to its origins exactly look in 2020? They can't really go over the top with what they already have. In my opinion they should have made WC4 and left WC3 alone. This whole situation is just ass.

[@fantafantaa]

2009? More like 2004. Even Oblivion had 100x times better graphics than this piece of shit.

[@fantafantaa]

And oblivion came out 2006.

[@tracoes]

@@ImHere4Nothing stop defending trash, they completely ruined wc3, it should be called warcraft 3 trash not reforged.

[@namethis658]

@Weghweh Hwewehwhe >>This reforged crap is unwatchable // And why exactly? Last time I checked, WC3 Reforged looked pretty good on ultra on my PC.

[@chrisg8989]

Back 2 Warcraft and Grubby seem to be the only people being optimistic about this game. Thank you! This is Wc3 now, for better or worse. So we better try and make the best of it. It can only get better! It has to!

[@treewisps4085]

when his whole life revolves around it kind of hard not too

[@pierrenoneyabizzo9751]

@@treewisps4085 how did he not make it? he was the best orc ever. Is this the new him vs moon? also 10 mins and everything progresses so slow do units and hero take longer to spawn or something?

[@treewisps4085]

@@pierrenoneyabizzo9751 you hurt your what?

[@pierrenoneyabizzo9751]

@@treewisps4085 the color of your fence.

[@emilianoalf2225]

Look at the positive side. If something has taught us Reforged, is that greater definition and detail does not make good graphics and a good gaming experience. My eyes really hurt when I saw the battles, I can't tell the units apart. WC3 Classic is so well done, you can't do better in 2020. Now I appreciate it much more than before. RIP

[@bbedeschi]

hope to not anger the crowd but... visibility looks better in the remaster? playing the classic version in China I can set my FOV wider/further. Is it also possible to do in the in International reforged version?

[@humanpwns]

Disliking the video because you dont like reforged is so unbelievable stupid...

[@MrOnion-js1ls]

@Damon Stonem the thing is you can't officially play classic now. It automatically downloads reforged. So, you can only download a pirated copy if you want to go back to classic.

[@fudzyfudzy6586]

nice games but we need supply and ressources on the overlay

[@Back2Warcraft]

fixed for upcoming casts!

[@FilipCordas]

@@Back2Warcraft I don't know if it is the game or what but the frame rate looked like it was all over the place lacks smoothness.

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

@@Back2Warcraft Use my raytracing mod bro.

[@FilipCordas]

Ha that was the Bladestorm I couldn't tell, that looks like so stupid.

[@gamerdudegamerdude4961]

Man the color looks lifeless compared to the Classic. Maps looked better on the Classic, it was only the unit models that looked dated due to low polycount but their color pallet were better.

[@Requiem100500]

There are three types of people playing WC3: 1. Asian 2. Slavic 3. Losing

[@Terric90]

dont forget the aryan master race

[@A.Lost.Astronaut]

The new night elf units look legit, but, they're the only race that looks better than pre-reforged unfortunately imo

[@brav0wing]

No, they are not. The undead look fantastic, same as orc. Human, well, they looked bland in WC3 as well.

[@treehouse2721]

Can you guys observe with player colored life bars? makes it easier for newbs to tell what is going on in battles

[@mercurianrepublic5943]

Reforged Wc3 looks like that one Armies Of Exigo game,just trying to copy something but not understanding what makes said something great in the first place.Anyway,love you guys!Keep it up!

[@gomeinpro6064]

How to download warcraft reforget? Give me link plz

[@xOxsleepyheadxOx]

now i cant play my classic wc3 game even if i bought it long time ago. i hope they will let the old wc3 back online

[@chrisg8989]

You can play your old version. You have to use your CD keys on your blizzard account and you can play it through the Reforged client.

[@justwest]

@@chrisg8989 but not online.

[@cpfcislife]

Lol surprised you were able to host games!! I can't even play with my friends, I keep getting kicked and DCed when we host games

[@pobopower]

people are actually able to play an entire game of multiplayer? Gz!

[@goldenpony3460]

Guys why do the firs minute you lock down on one still-ish village while another gets attacked by creeps or has some activity. I love these videos and thanks but often the camera seems a bit too static at the beginning... Just a little annoying detail.

[@zoeith6]

Ukraine vs Russia...hmmm this aged well

[@lexys1196]

They literally released an unfinished game. They should take it back and rather make a warcraft 3 HD. It feels like they wanted to keep old players, so they kept the mechanics which is great, but also wanted to get new players with radically different models. In the end, the animations (unit and hero mouvements) are for the most part completely off, and the graphics are uneven. The whole thing looks incohérent and lifeless, and that’s a disapointment for sure

[@andresedsson1194]

Rest in piece WARCRAFT 3

[@austindevine248]

I recommend you get a Cd drive and cd copy of the original game with a patch that fixes the bugs that’s what I did

[@morriSouI]

b2WC keepin it real! thx guys und mal ne Frage: Meint ihr Grubby würde immer noch alle rasieren?

[@omerozkan4856]

keepitrealMUSIC Er kann lutschen gehen

[@jesusizhere]

Thank you for the content. Big fan.

[@maximmuromov6073]

I like new graphics. Where can I download replay files from this championship?

[@Grevier]

Does anybody know what plugin they use on the interface? I already saw a streamer using that, it even shows keybinded groups, could really use that. Thanks in advance anyone ♡

[@Back2Warcraft]

Ours is custom coded :)

[@Back2Warcraft]

the control group thing is w3booster.com/

[@reaperofxenos7525]

He looks like what happens if you ordered Harry Potter from wish 😂

[@jakemichaelmasibag689]

how can i download this warcraft reforge? for free?

[@user-us4ws9px2s]

whats with the german accent?

[@Onikage]

I know it's not B2W fault, but I cannot continue to partake in wc3 content after what Blizzard has done with Reforged. Sorry guys, I loved your work and your passion for wc3, but I just can't do it.

[@brav0wing]

Good ridance!

[@angeld7849]

People: *Leave a dislike* Reason: They played Reforged

[@mathias99999]

Holly moly no Warcraft 3

[@Inmate005]

its really sad. I stopped playin wc3 some years ago and still enjoyed watching it. If classic doesnt come back i will allmost certainly stop watching as well...

[@Terric90]

ooooooooohhhh 😂

[@ST3FFAN036]

@ 51:15, didnt Lynn do a 35-40 supply short win? :D Don't recall the game but I remember going out of my mind.

[@nabilruslan8659]

Can someone tell me what’s wrong??? Please

[@self_lionized]

What they have done to the game...

[@BifidokKefir]

Pros will still play using classic wc3 graphics.

[@realsukker]

remo i love how lsow you are speaking... just love it keep it up

[@christopher7567]

Impressive Graphics

[@halo3335]

i know this is just cash but foggy seems to be slowly getting back to his best form! nice

[@matthewrevell2706]

Loving the more WoW meets Warcraft 2 style art direction.

[@artolaganus]

I prefer the later graphics, at least for spectating.

[@JohnnyDeb24]

Надеюсь на reforged выйдет remastered, а то ну это просто пиздец. Тут нет души. Нет здесь души Варкрафта

[@SirFancyPantsMcee]

The audio sounds so wierd. Running in the water is really distracting. And the elves wooshing... Ugh

[@littleoni0]

The overlay needs a fix. It's kinda all over the place, and it makes it hard to follow sometimes. I don't see supplies anywhere (maybe I'm looking at the wrong places), incomes could be interesting? Also, at the begginning of the third game it looks like the one winning the series is Cash because he is on the right and so is the winning score (this is not as related to the overlay as the overlay itself doesn't include the match score, but maybe the overlay could keep the players fixed?). I don't know how much can be done, and I don't know how much of this is spoiled whine coming from a SC2 tradition.

[@Back2Warcraft]

Overlay broke due to Reforged for a couple of days. It's fixed now

[@huseyinyilmaz4407]

so it's a shame that blizzard came up with such a freaky thing when the expectations are so high while people are waiting for wc4.

[@krasio1]

what r those shamans lul. where are the demos

[@sebamartinho]

Very nice!

[@djWOOF]

I liked the old graphics better

[@TheMygoran]

You know what would be awesome? Next time the game disconnects, they tilt a little to the side, and you realize the logo behind them is actually not "Warcraft III Reforged" but "Warcraft III Refunded" :D You guys are not to blame for Blizzard's Sh!t, keep it up

[@Terric90]

childish

[@qewpew5071]

Wow Foggy played this really well.

[@Reel_dicas]

Br aí?

[@lynzac9205]

Jannes und Remo. Wo bleibt euer Vid zu dem Abfuck was Reforged nunmal ist? Eure Stimme sollte Gewicht haben, also nehmt keine Rücksicht, so wie Blizz keine Rücksicht auf uns nimmt.

[@azure5697]

how can people play like this with that annoying mouse lag?...

[@niklasj.6138]

Damn Foggy is a Beast in that last Game

[@ziting5756]

I actually like how reforged looks

[@ziting5756]

Except for peons. Wtf

[@johnmelasfitnessonlinecoac8173]

The best moonwell of all time! bahahaha

[@georgialeon2847]

can't believe old wc3 has better graphics than reforged

[@Terric90]

you better believe its all day long baby

[@Unterhose1000]

Great Foggy in this Series, he is a deer!

[@Terric90]

a deer........

[@huyget]

should use more air unit to counter hunter .

[@ryanborn7026]

Frankly, given the incredible amount of complaining I've seen around the internet, I expected the graphics to be significantly worse. The game looks like a remaster -- different yes, some of that vintage love is gone, and definitely crisper. I much prefer looking at this. To be fair though, I don't play WCIII. And I remember when Halo: Remastered came out -- I literally could not stand to look at the new graphics. Over time, though, I came to appreciate the greater fidelity. People hate change, and especially hate change to things they love/have been following for years.

[@xdraghoner9211]

all haters just mimimi

[@rianadhitana9508]

... The final goes 5-0. WHAT?!

[@InfinityReptar]

As a starcraft player that never played Warcraft is it normal to not know which team is who lol

[@Warthot]

Colors bro

[@orly3000]

God damn, you are handsome Remo.

[@partymuffin2671]

how do you get the game to run?

[@Terric90]

using a good computer

[@veronagowrie9310]

Like I honestly can’t watch past game one it’s too frustrating to see these graphics. That’s a REAL PROBLEM. It reduces your views and the fan base...

[@Atli87]

I thought Foggy played orc

[@karnazacss]

Instead of dying, archers seem to be squirting. I like.

[@SeanSena]

Even my GF who doesn't play says the old graphics are better

[@karlpopper601]

The reforged game is so bad I am very disappointed with blizzard. First the magic effect is backward and even worse than the 2d original one. Second the unit's motion is awkward, some of them are too stiff and repeated.

[@spatan63]

the question is: can it jannis? :o

[@Fiaw1]

Bro I can feel the tension between these two casters. It's so cringe.

[@iLoveYou4ll]

The old overlay had SUPPLY / WOOD / GOLD / MANA / HP displayed. Why did you Chose to take These informations away? I did like it with more informations a lot better #SuperCasters #WeiterSoJungs # b2W

[@Back2Warcraft]

cuz it was release day and the API got changed, so it took us 3 days to adept....

[@iLoveYou4ll]

@@Back2Warcraft oh sorry then!

[@user-su6id3zv5k]

nice graphics

[@anduinlothar9906]

He looks like nerd Harry Potter

[@dkkdkkc6]

I play Insane on the old WC3 and never lose.

[@cesaru3619]

cash is horrendous

[@Lorenciamuful]

Cash явно играл как рачина.

[@fortitude1208]

Grubby left ship in right time. He new its shit, so he tranzit to other game.

[@KrazyKrzysztof]

grubby is still active with reforged

[@fortitude1208]

KrazyKrzysztof full time?

[@Silenced_by_nazi_youtube]

He still playing wc3 reforged....hes not gonna quit

[@organichand-pickedfree-ran1463]

the shadows on units are nonexistent

[@rohanwinchester9144]

Great gamr

[@eds6755]

I'm surprised they could have a tournament; I heard this game was a mess at launch.

[@teamoversquatch3785]

Harry Potter vs Gamestop Employee !!!

[@Ahbooshasha]

Foggy is my hero.

[@romanv7480]

Very biased commentators maybe you should fix that

[@veronagowrie9310]

Can’t watch these graphics boys... you two have pull with your reputation. Could you please pass this on to blizzard? The blues and reds need to be solid lighter blues and reds... just to start... all original forms need to stay original and lighten up to differentiate the hero’s from the units...

[@x-azkfreemann8753]

Acidbomv thrown have to be smaller

[@NotraNaum]

I used to love watching your channel but I cant stand the graphics of reforged, not to mention the disaster of making player who DIDNT buy the game and forcing them to download 28GB worth of data they dont need! Blizzard killed this game. Best of luck to you.

[@NotraNaum]

​@@RJavier007​ Yeah no shit! I know they used to cast classic matches, hence why I used to like this channel. Learn to fucking read dumbass. Reforged ruined this great game and int turn great channels like this.

[@NotraNaum]

@@ZeusTheMatti Watch the user base and viewer base continue to fall. Blizzard is a trainwreck and people like you who defend it are either delusional or damage control shills.

[@josh_kerns]

@@dariusus9870 I do gotta say both the guy who said "caveman" and your own insults do not help your opinions seem valid or make people want to take you seriously. Usually when people go to insults straight away it means they will not be willing to have a real discussion. They are just being overly emotional, rude, and are probably very stubborn.

[@Redesrojas]

Harry Potter?

[@TheSaintNix]

Cash про в какой игре?

[@user-xs1lj1wl5q]

В супер-Марио, видимо