Investigators interview with Angela Wagner heard for first time

Angela Wagner, the mother of George Wagner IV who is standing trial for the murder of eight people, spoke to investigators with the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigations when the family attempted to return to Ohio from Alaska. George Wagner IV - along with his mother Angela, father George "Billy" Wagner and brother Edward "Jake" Wagner - is accused of shooting and killing the Rhoden family members "execution-style." The family's bodies were found on April 22, 2016. He faces eight charges of aggravated murder, along with other charges associated with tampering with evidence, conspiracy and forgery.

[@dennissinkovics8379]

I honestly believe if not for Angela 8 people would be alive today.

[@marshapieroni6677]

I agree 100 percent

[@chrissearer1896]

True that.

[@julianyc422]

If not for Jake at 18 raping a 13 yr old who gave birth by 15, 8 people would not be dead. If they'd gotton an abortion and a restraining order and Jake went to jail as a sexual offender, 8 people would not be dead.

[@mimicoolwhip5991]

Knowing the family took votes on every decision I believe that too. She was very controlling, reports talked about her demand that the baby had to call HER mom even tho she was the gma. She would get irate if they didnt. Who does that? They werent married & Hannah is Sophies mom-NOT Angela. Dont get it, but thats why they did what they did.

[@spicyirwin5835]

She never thought what was best for her grandchildren, just herself.

[@brenda98665]

I love the way the detective is so friendly with her to get her to talk. She seems very unbothered by the 8 people she was involved with murdering. 30 years is not even close to how much time in prison this narcissistic woman deserves!!!

[@marshapieroni6677]

She should never be allowed to go back through those prison doors. I don't care how old she will be. She is a danger to others.

[@readg4fun]

She is so “normal” and open.

[@carolynwilkerson153]

Angela deserves the death penalty

[@jacquelinehodgens9411]

Don’t worry she’s shitting her pants at this point

[@jacquelinehodgens9411]

@@marshapieroni6677 she should never have been allowed to walk out agreed

[@Asisya18]

that this manipulative woman didn't get life without parole is astonishing. 30 years is too good for this narcissist. She was the ringleader of that family and heading this conspiracy to commit murder should see nothing short of life without parole.

[@catbishop27]

Agreed. 💯

[@EbonyJ-rt5bb]

I agree💯🎯✔️it’s ridiculous, drug dealers get more time than she got smh 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@kimbeem9556]

You can thank Canepa and crew for the deal she got. They offered it!!

[@sunnyday4616]

She sure is. She wanted the boys kids. So therefore. She planned and executed this all. She couldn’t stand her Children being grown unless she was controlling it. Controlling their entire lives.

[@CopWifeCopMom]

Prisoners do not like inmates who have murdered entire families.She may not make it that long in prison

[@Monica-le9oi]

Imagine criticizing the upbringing of someone else’s children while being the parent/spouse of a murderer. She’s literally saying -“my kids would never throw themselves on the floor in a fit over chores but they will blow your face off if they don’t get their way.”

[@Carebearstare....]

💯

[@pjhey947]

@@Carebearstare.... So true…she should get life with no parole! Can’t believe she only got 30 years

[@teresahudson977]

Absolutely right. She is so not a person that needs to think she is a good examle of adult behavior and parenting. Will she really learn to be more human in thirty years???

[@grayisgood]

The hypocrisy is huge.

[@oanna1221]

My ex was just like Jake. His mother. Just like Angie. He was her everything.

[@AlysonLewis]

Imagine being Sophie the moment she learns their greed over HER was the reason 8 members of her family has to die. I hope someone drills it into her that none of this is her fault.

[@tborody]

I don't know much about this case but I'm just thinking who tf is left to raise this child when everyone is dead or in prison....??? 🤬

[@AlysonLewis]

@@tborody Apparently she's in the care of the state? Honestly, maybe complete ignorance of this is the best way forward.

[@OneLaw214]

I hope she is adopted and has a name change.

[@leotachaney7322]

@@OneLaw214 yep,e too!

[@brendaechols5929]

I was thinking about this too. She may need help later on cause she's young. I hope she's in a good home where this whole mess will never be brought up to her.

[@heidishaunts847]

Stunning how she talks about these victims. She truly is a total physcopath. She talks about it like the whole thing is so normal. She is so unphased by her involvement in murdering 8 people she knew well and came close to being related to. Holy cow! This right here folks is why you can never be too careful. Your next door neighbor could be an Angela Wagner. Truly mind blowing!

[@missyann7588]

I’ve just started deep diving this case about a week ago, and from what I’ve seen, she was the mastermind behind all of this. She controlled EVERYONE. Not taking away from her husband and sons did, but I’m thinking they had to do what she said or there were consequences. George’s ex wife says that she stayed overnight in the hospital with her after she gave birth. And when she tried to breastfeed, Angela would tell her “the baby isn’t getting full, you need to switch to a bottle”. In other words, SHE wanted to do the feedings when they got home. She was even making her grandchildren call her mama. She is fk’n nuts.

[@bjw9529]

Scary thing is these psychopaths walked amongst us all day..

[@carolynwilkerson153]

What Mother goes into her son and his wife's bedroom and tells the wife to leave so she can scratch his back and talk to him. So weird 😕

[@tinafeasel9911]

No kidding 😬

[@StilettoCutsQuick.]

I am just learning about this case. That is creepy.

[@pammaggio8135]

Right!?! WTF! I hope This family burns in hell for their evil .. vile and disgusting actions of murdering those poor victims…. They are all honestly downright terrifying!!!!

[@monabrodalen8815]

A crazy one like this babbeling woman.. I think nothing actually goes through this womans brain as much as she's talking I think it's not processed normally.. I've just started watching the case but if it at this time were known about all the victims -no normal person would talk like she does at all!

[@10sherra]

@@monabrodalen8815 You mean a person with a heart this woman is cold blooded heartless creature , lower than a snake .

[@weeshirley5934]

“When me and Hanna couldn’t sleep because we were up with babies or somethin”.. this woman really thought she was a young mother.. instead of a grandmother. How could she have sat up all those nights with that young girl and then organised her murder? Mind boggling

[@sarahm.1632]

Jealousy, greed, wrath & evil, just a guess, but Angela gives strong jealousy vibes of Hannah over Sophie. If she was so concerned about kids being molested, you’d think she’d want Hannah’s youngest daughter to come over all the time too. Just my opinion. I think Angela is big time trying to manipulate these agents. I don’t believe she’s as friendly as she’s acting like in this interview.

[@hedykarim3614]

Evil pure evil

[@doreen6659]

She had gotten away with so much in the past, like insurance fraud, arson, etc. Seems like murder to be in full control of the 'family'- was natural. She is a Monster

[@cathie1234]

Angela has psychopathic envy!!!! Sick AF!!! Incurable.

[@saritamoorebansa4485]

It is scary…. 😮😮😮😮

[@AlysonLewis]

She must really love every time the investigator calls her a grandmother, and refers to the kids as her grandchildren. 😂

[@rochelleshon306]

Yes! I got a big kick out of that. Lol 😂

[@katetruthseeker2758]

Imagine being so proud of such scummy off-spring. Lol

[@bjw9529]

Not at all bc she wanted to be the Mother

[@annemullen2457]

Did anyone else catch her statement at the beginning stating that she has a 2year old?!?!....I strongly suspect she is referring to her GRANDCHILD🤦‍♀️. She also never refers to her sons or husband by name; she constantly says, " MY sons, MY husband, MY, MY, MY". She considers them possessions

[@celticwarrior777]

Yes and she made the kid call her mom. Instead of the kid being with the mom in her bedroom she forced the mother to give her the baby at night

[@tamisonhornsby8112]

You are exactly 💯. She drove Billy, and Jake, and George to this. She's truly the instgater in this whole thing !!!

[@brenda98665]

Yes I did catch her saying she had a 2 years old.

[@americafirst6492]

My my-- Just like when the fires, there was a special* 🏆 something never damaged or destroyed! 😳

[@blondien6072]

Yes I agree I catches it to

[@nmikloiche]

The hammer falls @1:45:00. She is stunned to say it mildly and has no way to explain herself out of this one. My absolute favorite was -- Angela: “I threw them out AFTERWARDS” - Detective: “AFTER what?” 🧐

[@marcianealey5955]

I can’t hear anything

[@rochelleshon306]

Yes, that was my favorite too!

[@jamiehicks5150]

Right!! I caught that too.

[@angieallsup]

I bet the blood rushed to her face at that moment…

[@Lakota790]

@@angieallsup, Miss Angie, OR the blood drained rapidly AWAY from her face.

[@grayisgood]

So hannah was 13 when she was with jake. His parents approved. Her parents approved. These are some trashy people. For that and all the rest too.

[@marshapieroni6677]

I agree to a point. But in my experience, telling a 13 y/o no about a boy would have made her even more determined. At least Chris (in the beginning at least) made them have a chaperone. I do understand what you're saying though. Some people have actually moved because of that situation.

[@grayisgood]

@@marshapieroni6677 Well that's when it's time to stand up and be a parent.

[@spicyirwin5835]

Adult with a minor is rape.

[@kimward5746]

right.

[@mklove8823]

This woman makes me sick. She infuriates me. She pretty much orchestrated this. I sure hope she sits every day with a torturous, anguished, lonely soul.

[@4Runneradventures]

She's a narcissist, she will never admit her part in it and what she did wrong

[@tj6930]

I imagine she has had that her whole life, so she tries to bring others with her.

[@marshapieroni6677]

I cannot wrap my head around a parent wanting to involve their own children. Not worried about whether it would torment them the rest of their lives. Like the Markel case. That woman and her daughter got her son to hire a hitman. I could never understand that. I am glad I don't understand it, though. Because it's too messed up

[@brendalawwill4848]

She needs life or I think she needs done same way her granddaughter mother was done

[@comeandtakeit82]

She won't. Narcissist have no capacity for guilt or shame.

[@maisydaisy9216]

For the first time in his life, a son gets a glimpse into the story of his life, as told by his narcissistic, twisted AF maternal source of life. He is sitting there listening to the interview, knowing the intimate details of how things actually occurred, and hearing his mother make excuses for all of it. Prison will be a welcomed respite from his toxic family. Maybe he can actually be a decent human with enough years behind bars and away from his mom!

[@Evenyoubrutus333]

I think he’s doomed.

[@maisydaisy9216]

@@Evenyoubrutus333 yeah, probably

[@britt3795]

Well he might not have done anything though I'm trying to catch up on all the details of it all right now and it's hard to find a time line of info of wat happened and with George I'm just wondering if he had anything to do with it or if he might have known of atleast sumthing that happened or culd he have just kept things strictly business with his family? I definitely can tell the rest of the family is a clan mentality from wat I've read.

[@maisydaisy9216]

@@britt3795 I don’t think you exist in this type of family unit without 100% loyalty. Whether or not he pulled all the triggers, idk but there’s no question he was involved.

[@rochelleshon306]

@@maisydaisy9216 I agree. Imo, 100% loyalty is required to survive in that family unit.

[@marshapieroni6677]

Man, she had to catch herself quickly! She said, "I threw them away AFTERWARDS" and the detective picked right up on it. "After what?" Those Walmart tennies were a huge part of the circumstantial evidence

[@gssracing1]

Makes me wonder why in the heck she kept the reciept for those shoes Who would keep that ?

[@marshapieroni6677]

@@gssracing1 she may have planned on returning them to get her money back

[@OHiYoCHIC]

@@gssracing1 that’s exactly what I said to my husband lol like why would she keep that!! 😂😂

[@nixwestlake9196]

1,000%

[@gericummings6122]

And, why did she "throw those (new) shoes away?" " Because they wear boots?? "

[@oliviaadan8208]

And she said they were like best friends after breaking up...that's hilarious...the crazy thing is that when George began having nightmares after the murders Angela told Billy that they shouldn't have involved George or Jake and they should have done it themselves...that's how evil Angela was..if she had 2 she would have shot them with Billy...mother of the year

[@tamisonhornsby8112]

I believe that is💯 true!

[@elisaharding8084]

No kidding!!! I heard that Jake also struggled, and was distraught, with his little girl’s grief, in losing her momma…. Especially since he was responsible for causing that heartbreak…

[@spicyirwin5835]

Jake abused & controlled Hannah so Angela is lying. Abuse is not love plus control but thats what he learned.

[@AB-zl5mn]

Yes she is ICE COLD.

[@rochelleshon306]

I think you are absolutely, positively, right!

[@justanothersmith6012]

I’m trying to recall if I’ve ever heard of a male being called promiscuous 🤔Seems like it’s only females like poor Hannah ,who get labeled as promiscuous. 😣

[@melindastillwell9980]

I was thinking the same thing!! Also, I know the agent was trying to make her comfortable but I thought it very disrespectful the things he was saying about the whole Rhoden family. Saying stuff like “their way of life” “promiscuous Hannah” “Hannah and Dana did not have a good relationship bc growing up Dana was in the bars so she wasn’t a good Mom herself” just on and on!! The agents could have used better tactics or wording to describe them.

[@TruCrimeQueen]

@@melindastillwell9980 I agree. However, we have to realize, he was trying to act like he understood her feelings, so he could get a confession for EIGHT lives being lost! 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔

[@julianyc422]

Hannah was 13, then groomed by 18 yr old Jake. Pregnant at 15. Then Jake and family murder 8 people. Hannah should have got an abortion and a restraining order at 15. Jake arrested as a sex offender.

[@julianyc422]

@@melindastillwell9980 I think he insulted the family to see how much she would agree. They know she called them poor trailer trash.

[@kidmarine7329]

That was a tactic. I doubt he really believed that.

[@elisaharding8084]

During this interview, we get to see the first cracks in Angela, and that she’s really not as smart as she thinks she is…She didn’t anticipate BCI having that search warrant ready, before the new owners moved into the house… And thank goodness the Wagners left all those belongings behind, in storage… A huge slip up on Angela’s part- saving those child custody and will papers, and the Walmart receipt….. Chatty Angela, started losing her memory, and the right words to say… Would loved to have seen her face, while being confronted about the shoes, the video of her buying the shoes, and seeing the bloody shoe prints…. Then being shown the evidence of the casings from their own driveway and yard… I’m sure she about blew a gasket- knowing how much trouble Jake went to, making the casing catcher’s- just so there wouldn’t be any weapon evidence left at the crime scenes. When confronted about the child custody motive, it’s chilling hearing her complete denial…. It’s ironic, that for all the judgmental opinions, against Hannah, everyone has said how much they cared about her, that she was sweet and thoughtful, carefree and loved the outdoors, hardworking, how much she loved Corey, looked forward to their future together… But most of all- they all said she was an exceptional wonderful mother…. Hannah was everything that Angela wasn’t or ever would be… We’ve heard that Angela even made the grandkids call her Mommy, just one more thing for for Angela to control….. Wishing everyone, that has been traumatized and touched, by this evil and monstrous acts, praying that God comforts and strengthens you, everyday,…. Please know that you are thought about and prayed for, and hoping that each of you stay strong, and carry the loving memories, of your beloved one’s, till your together again, forever…..

[@keeppassingtheopenwindows]

Amen

[@elisaharding8084]

@@naviesmith1739 about 18 months later? I think that when they were able to talk with Beth, Jake’s wife he married in Alaska, that they got more info from her, after she fled from the Wagner’s

[@carolynwilkerson153]

I really believe if George wasn't mistreated and bullied by Angela and Jake he wouldn't have been involved. But it's very hard to stand up to a overbearing mother. I'm not saying George is not guilty of some of this , he is. But he didn't kill any of them. Angela was behind all of this she should get life without parole.

[@elisaharding8084]

@@carolynwilkerson153 I agree completely!!!! And definitely believe Angela should have life…. We haven’t heard completely yet, if George did anything to help plan, or get ready for that night. And if he had moved out, he wouldn’t be involved in this at all. Finding out through the trial, that Billy was basically living, at his Dad’s house, caring for him, also made more sense, about Angela’s control and hold over the boys. Even Billy had said he didn’t like how the boys were ‘momma boys’, but that Angela was the best mom in the world…😱😱😱🤯🤯🤯

[@elisaharding8084]

I also wonder, if George being along with them that night, is like being along with for a robbery, that involves a murder, he’d still be an accessory to the crime. I feel strongly, that Angela, should have more time than George…

[@marshapieroni6677]

She "knowed" them. This woman home schooled her children.

[@laceyw9983]

Same with “I seen”

[@dixonbidenzmouth4115]

Hillbilly speak

[@spicyirwin5835]

She didnt like to read & made fun of Beth reading BOOKS.

[@justmyopinion3764]

Exactly.

[@travelingpatti2834]

That’s quite common verbiage for that area. I have family in those hills. They all talk like that.

[@teresahudson977]

I am really shocked at how childish she is about this whole nightmare that all of these people are responseable for. A child that is spoiled as she puts it still has the right to grow up , live their lives and not be murdered in their sleep. She sounds so heartless.The thought processes of this family scares me.

[@monabrodalen8815]

Is the "spoiled child" she is talking about known as one of the victims murdered when she says this? I haven't seen the whole case yet but if thats the case I would have been wery disturbed of someone saying such of someone that is murdered.. Her whole "cheerful" manner, if this was the case when interrogated, is disturbing..

[@SpandexSuperstarr]

@@monabrodalen8815 yes she's talking about Hannah. Everyone else who knew her said she was lovely. Maybe Angela thought she was a brat because she didn't do everything Angela wanted like her sons did.

[@MaybeitsclusterB]

Sounds tome like both Hannah and Chris needed more emotional support than they ever got. An 11 year old having a physical temper tantrum isn't spoiled. Their parents are not teaching them how to regulate emotions

[@SpandexSuperstarr]

@@MaybeitsclusterB that's if any of whay Angela claims is true. She seemed to villainize anyone but her sons. The fact she claimed so many people were molesting her grandkids without any real grounds is wild. How could her daughter-in-laws even have a chance to do so, when she gave them zero chance to be alone with the kids. Everyone is trying to poison them and steal from them.

[@merry8545]

It should scare the entire WORLD to know you could be murdered while you sleep because someone dislikes you - I simply stay away from people I dislike; they live their lives while I live mine but I have never thought it was my decision whether they live or die simply because I do not like them 🤯😱🤯😱🤯😱🤯

[@pjhey947]

That she said “incident” instead of murder is a big clue

[@katetruthseeker2758]

Darrell Brooks did this same thing!! Called it “the incident” or “the tragedy”. One lady who testified had 4 of her kids hurt in the parade and when asked how many kids she had DB interjected and stated that was “irrelevant” powerful testimony to his own guilt.

[@deniserossiter1059]

Thank you👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 It’s so telling. It minimizes it. Like it was just a thing that happened. Not mass murder that she planned & had her own children carry out for her own shellfish need. Sick “B”!!

[@annarose4828]

Heartless cruel monster. She doesn't care all the lives she destroyed including her own kids and grandkids. Hope the families heal and the kids are with loving family. So heartbreaking.

[@cambrie7946]

What? Hannah was not planning to marry Jake. She had left him. This woman is a pathological liar.

[@elisaharding8084]

I believe Jake and Hannah Mae, were engaged, before their baby was born. I think Chris Sr., had given his permission/blessing, but said he wanted Hannah to wait till she was 18.

[@cambrie7946]

@@elisaharding8084 Hannah left him

[@marshapieroni6677]

@@elisaharding8084 but Angela was trying to make it seem like it was just before the murder

[@elisaharding8084]

@@cambrie7946 yes she had left Jake, and had moved on in her life. Which was another motive, as he realized, she wasn’t going back to him, or signing custody papers.

[@elisaharding8084]

@@marshapieroni6677 yes she was, clearly trying to keep an ‘ everything was fine between them’ attitude, not knowing the BCI agents knew differently. I was hoping the agents, would have told her, that they knew everything had not been fine… then hit her with the custody papers… And remember, one of the agents even asked Billy about Chris Sr, and the worry he had before being murdered- about ‘a big storm brewing, that couldn’t be stopped’…. And Billy denied knowing anything.

[@rootingforyou6399]

NO PAROLE. NO EARLY RELEASE. OH, HOW HORRIBLE THIS CASE IS AND 30 YEARS FOR THE EVIL WITCH.

[@Objection_23and1]

She is absolutely the ring leader of all this and feel she should be held more accountable, 30 years is NOTHING …I am still shocked . She is the reason for all of this…

[@weeshirley5934]

30 years is definitely not nothing but agree, she should be locked up fr life, no parole. 8 ppl are dead because of her. She was 100% the puppeteer. So very, very sad.

[@Objection_23and1]

@@weeshirley5934 so sad 😭

[@Daysfreak57332]

agreed. She runs the show. Her sons made the choice to do it, but they never had a chance being raised by this paranoid psychopath...

[@AlysonLewis]

Funny how she calls Tabby the "biological mother", instead of just "mother".

[@andriagaither1750]

Because she wanted to be and saw herself as their mother. Sick so so sick

[@kathleenpenny9388]

I can certainly see why Tabby would be depressed. I really doubt she's bipolar but may have major depression due to the situation she is in and was in. As a victim of that family, and her own family, she had no help and was BLAMED then called bipolar and given MEDS. Well I request that the court help this dear woman, give her free high quality psychiatric care, and financial help, legal help, childcare help. I bet there's nothing wrong with her brain at all she just needed to get away from those people and be treated with respect and given the love and care a woman expects when she agrees to marry a man. Not to be fooled taken advantage of manipulated shamed lied to abused and dumped. GOOD JOB for trying to rip his nuts off! You are too good for them good luck to you Tabbi Please get a lawyer and sue them for all the money you can get from the Wagners. Pain and suffering.

[@AlysonLewis]

@@andriagaither1750 Agree. And she makes it so obvious with her terminology. She just gives herself away.

[@dixonbidenzmouth4115]

George has got to hate listening to his mother voice who's trying to get him implicated in the murders

[@hedykarim3614]

He’s guilty and acting innocent after seeing the daughter in laws interview ..he’s very involved

[@kwestwick6065]

love the handle 😊

[@marymary20]

Listening to Angela talk about Hannah so lovingly and knowing she planned her murder….what a sociopath!

[@rootingforyou6399]

George is writing on his pad that his mother Angela is lying. Lawyer looks at it and looks at George. Yup!

[@salty_lizard]

Doesn't remember the details of finding out, but has details for everything else... Bc she didn't "find out" about the murders the morning after... she knew/planned it all along.

[@jemsmom97]

It disgusts me how many times she uses the phrase “ the incident”. She is a detestable, evil monster.

[@marshapieroni6677]

She repeats that Jake went to hospital to check on Kylie but won't say anything else like how they felt, what the did, etc...

[@kellyjacquin715]

this woman is exactly like my ex mother in law. Its their world, and they let us live in it. If they say jump, you asked how high and how many times. How do people become this way???

[@asllaniiiii]

Children of malignant narcissist parents very often end up being the same way,unfortunately!

[@spicyirwin5835]

She will inform the warden how to run the prison. Only thing good about this is Angela wont be in control, at first. Later ?

[@chrisirving1239]

Take steps and think away and get the HELL OUT ........MAKE NO APOLOGIES TO ANYONE I know, easier said than done. Good luck.

[@readg4fun]

Glad she isn’t still your mil

[@kellyjacquin715]

@@readg4fun so am i! I had to run with only the close on my back, no car, no money, and states away from my own family.

[@brendamcmaster5629]

I feel George will be convicted on the conspiracy to commit murder, being at the scene of the crime, being part of the crime, whether he drove a vehicle, modified a vehicle for said crime, Truck was bought and specifically modified for said crime. , still not sure if he pull the trigger on anyone.

[@debijo5288]

She's talking like she never done anything to Chris Jr., They can see right threw her..

[@pamc1139]

Have any of you seen the movie “Let Him Go” with Kevin Costner? The Wagner family is so much like the crazy, violent family in the movie, right down to the controlling mother and dispute over a grandchild.

[@oliviaadan8208]

Omg u r exactly right!!!!! She's definitely like the boss momma in that movie with her sons doing exactly what they r told..and even right down 2 acting like a mom 2 her grandchildren.

[@jemsmom97]

No but I’ll definitely look for it!

[@TruCrimeQueen]

@@jemsmom97 me toooooo! Never heard of that movie!

[@jemsmom97]

@@TruCrimeQueen I watch so many movies I can never remember them all but after looking for it, I realized I did see this movie! Gonna watch it again tho bc I can’t remember anything about it lol!!

[@daddysgirl5049]

Me too. Sounds like a thriller.

[@marshapieroni6677]

I'm wondering if they have done this before and gotten away with it. Tabitha is lucky she didn't have the money or means to fight for custody because she might not be alive today to care for her son.

[@grammylisa1]

Does she have her son back now?

[@RukhShariq]

@@grammylisa1 I read she has her son with her now

[@deborahotanjah]

Is Tabitha raising her son?

[@MyOpinionsRMine]

MAKES me sick she says all the things about Hannah and her family and act so upset. KNOWING they did what they did to Hannah and her family

[@FLo-jc7ig]

Nowhere in this audio do I hear that woman sound Upset!!! Not at All!!!

[@Herewearenowentertainus]

She was super hyped up on adrenaline indulging how they adored Hannah & what a wonderful parenting agreement the two had made… she sure has a lot of experience double talking insurance agencies for some convenient arsons & I bet she thought she was really gonna hit this one out of the park

[@AlysonLewis]

She runs the Rhodens down the entire time, judgey bitch.

[@weeshirley5934]

@Brooklyn pesola So true!!

[@terintiaflavius3349]

Why was a plea deal given to this woman? She is the literal head of all this

[@alphashewolf9109]

Nevermind Jake was 20 and got 15 year old Hanna pregnant.

[@spicyirwin5835]

I know! That is rape in Calif. Easier to mold being so young.

[@spicyirwin5835]

Hannah moved in at 11yrs old. She was a child & Jake was an adult.

[@celticwarrior777]

What age was he when hannah was 11

[@chartroy]

No. Hanna was 13 when she met Jake. George’s wife Tabitha was 11

[@lmonnette4037]

Sick pedophiles.

[@marshapieroni6677]

I believe she was 13?

[@faithinhumanity3390]

She was 13

[@asamatteroffact9247]

I think part of the reason she wanted them killed is because Hanna Mae had the nerves to not go back to her broken hearted son; and how dare she date other men and become pregnant! Also controlling people can't stand losing control... Hanna Mae had the nerve to not listen to her!

[@trishkuhne550]

Poor Hannah……she had no idea what she got herself into😢

[@asamatteroffact9247]

@@trishkuhne550 so true!

[@sunshinem.8216]

I feel for George, however He should have ran from even the thought of what was planned to take place. It's beyond any understanding, for a Mother to set up Her two Sons and The Husband to commit a cold Blooded Murder of Innocent Human Beings. George was drilled to take care of her ideal Son, and also expected Him to Tag along in a Crime, that He in particular had no business in., not to say that Crime was Sadistic and totally Brutal in its All. Greedy and controlling Mother, if she could be called that. Those Children Belonged with Their Biological Mother, Angela is not and will never be The Mother, and She lost Her Chance of even being a Grandmother who could be consider fit to their care.

[@spicyirwin5835]

George tried to move out as did Jake. They wanted their own place but Angela has controlled them all their lives. Angela is lying about Hannah still caring about Jake. Not after he beat her & kept her in a rm like a prisoner.

[@hedykarim3614]

I don’t feel anything for killers , he’s putting on a show of innocence . I hope he rots

[@paddyholly2184]

Isn't it Fascinating how So Many People live and believe in an Alternative Reality? And truly Believe the rest of us are stupid and can't/won't ever figure it out?

[@debijo5288]

Angela sure is controlling to hear her talk to the Agents like she does. She talks more than she should, just trying to not talk about what she has done.

[@oliviaadan8208]

Agree completely...and it's hilarious how she stops talking so much when they basically told her that her sons and husband were involved and that SHE was the one who bought the murderers shoes at Wal-Mart...2 funny

[@mohs7234]

Yep . She really stuck her foot in her mouth when she said didn't buy no 👟

[@marshapieroni6677]

Yes, with any questions, she trails off on another subject. He has to bring her back, ask it again...

[@kazbee6978]

Interesting how many times Angela mentions Jakes name; hardly mentions George at all.

[@FLo-jc7ig]

I guess that could be a good thing for George in this situation now ..🤔???

[@peaceandlove7824]

True!

[@shellos8]

Jake is her baby. Her favorite.

[@grammylisa1]

They both look like sissy mamas boys.

[@Bexy48]

Jake was the golden child.

[@marshapieroni6677]

Notice they didn't bother making a living will out for Jake. That Hannah would get full custody if something happened to him.

[@marywilliams6107]

She sure does laugh and giggle a lot. What a happy little evil thing.

[@kimward5746]

such a classic move for scumbags to act delightful in conversation in an interrogation room. like Arias... try to charm the investigators. i would want to know what's going on and I wouldn't delight in chatting about the weather with strangers wearing guns and handcuffs, in a small windowless room that probably doesn't smell like roses, under surveillance of cameras or mirrors, on a folding chair still grimy from previous pedos and murderers... but here she is giggling and smiling. truly evil.

[@sherry8894]

I would have loved to see her face when the detectives brought out the receipt for those shoes she bought!!! Lol

[@carolynm9638]

For someone who thought she was pretty smart for a very long time some of these excuses she’s coming up with sound pretty stupid. Her incredulous responses to the evidence as it’s laid out to her is almost funny. She’s reminding me of Sherri Papini’s “it’s not James!!” If she had a slice of a brain she would’ve zipped up and called a lawyer.

[@quink2376]

Carolyn, I totally agree 👍. I have made previous comments that it is actually hallarious (and I say that with deepest respect to the victims 🙏), that all the planning and physical and mental exhaustion that went into this, Angela really f£$ked up that whole plan with a couple foolish mistakes. I really thought she was alot smarter than that,,,, keeping the receipt, saying she buys the boys everything except shoes, 🤷 even agreeing to speak to detectives at all. Greed and control got the better of her in the end. She thought she was invincible. I can't believe that they thought they could get away with cold bloodly killing so many people, even with babies sleeping next to then, nursing them. 😒 😪 I bet George is absolutely kicking himself with regret, his whole like has been destroyed all so Angela and Jake could have Sophia.

[@marshapieroni6677]

Remember when Papini kept saying, "No way, no way!" First thing I thought of when Angela started saying that

[@marshapieroni6677]

@@quink2376 I was shocked that Walmart was still able to retrieve the video

[@pjhey947]

Agree! I’m glad she did talk but it always amazes me that the people can’t shut up at call a lawyer. Narcissism at its best 😜

[@rochelleshon306]

@@marshapieroni6677 Yes, I thought the exact same thing!

[@magenmyers8499]

It’s absolutely terrifying that people like this walk the same earth.

[@gericummings6122]

Psych wards are full of people narcissistic like her. Hopefully, not as criminal.

[@annemullen2457]

I honestly believe she was AT the scene and participated in the murders. She either drugged the kids and left them at home while they ran their "errands" that night, or she had the drugged kids asleep in the car. She is too narcissistic and controlling, she HAD TO have been there to make sure these heinous crimes were carried out

[@trishkuhne550]

I believe this myself

[@marshapieroni6677]

If not for sofia never being able to know her mother, I would feel worse for Bulvine. Because, at least she got to experience real love, peace, and freedom when she was away from home . Bulvine was in that sht show 24/7. Also Tabitha is actually lucky she lost custody for a time because if she had gotten custody, there's a good chance she would not be around today to see her child grow up.

[@mlcoffey2]

Where did they come up with the name Bulvine?

[@daddysgirl5049]

@@mlcoffey2 That's a cow, right?

[@seanwalton8419]

I’m sure someone has pointed this out, but it’s just amazing to me that they spoke to any law enforcement without asking for an attorney. I thought they were told for years not to trust any law enforcement? It’s sad that this all was over something so ridiculous.

[@katetruthseeker2758]

So many folks believe they can talk their way out of anything. Narcissist always believe they are the smartest person in the room/ world. It never fails to hem them up in the long run… which I think is a beautiful example of karma.

[@trishkuhne550]

I think she is a molester. Isn’t being obsessed with it a classic sign?

[@tandiparent1906]

She more than likely thought she was smarter than everybody else.

[@andriagaither1750]

She homeschooled her kids - bet they knowed a lot after that.

[@nacho_ncam]

🤦🏽‍♀️😂😂

[@sansm2540]

This comment wins for the day!! Didn't hear much of anything else she spewed but every time she said KNOWED, I heard that dumb sh*t. 🤦

[@marshapieroni6677]

😂 I caught that too. Commented on it before I saw your comment 😂

[@briarrose29]

😂😂😂

[@pjhey947]

😂😂

[@joycepayne3505]

I would have loved to seen her face with the Walmart receipt, bloody shoe prints, etc. Angela knows her ship is sinking

[@rootingforyou6399]

Thank you for the captions. Tremendously helpful. Wish they were on court videos.

[@rosep8481]

Where do you see them? I dont have those

[@dherman0001]

I'm mostly deaf. Agreed!

[@dherman0001]

@@rosep8481 click "cc" in upper right corner. It costs money to provide this service.

[@kittie4201x]

I'm from montana, and idk where these detectives are from... but i am truly shocked and amazed at how they actually were able to get in and build a commonality with her and get her on a level with the baby and all. I am genuinely impressed with this great detective work!!!

[@ernesterikm]

This was good cop bad cop worked PERFECTLY. He wasn’t even “bad cop” per say. Very direct, and good at bringing her rambling ass back to the original task at hand

[@catinacarter3230]

They all deserve the guilty verdict.. Cause that was wrong for them to kill all them people...they even look guilty

[@carolynupchurch9428]

She did not rotate George when he was a baby hes got a flat head .

[@MindyBeee]

Needed a pediatric chiropractor 😉

[@cdelane3335]

The "incident" she won't call it for what it was, the murders. She also messed up saying Jakes attorney did the paperwork just to turn around and say she typed it and they where gonna take it to the attorney.

[@nacho_ncam]

Yep. The "incident" is clearly distancing language . any person who wasn't involved would have no problem referring to it as murder, bc that's exactly what it was. People (especially those who believe they're the smartest person in the room) don't realize how often the simplest of words give themselves away.

[@Barbe194]

Loose lips sink ships. Her ship has sunk.

[@rogeryoung9691]

Never talk to cops ever without a lawyer. Weather you did anything or not. They are not your friends and they aren't they to help you

[@katetruthseeker2758]

Goodness 😮 these detectives did so well at keeping it cordial. I’ve always said honey catches more bees than fly-paper. They go out of their way to agree with her on so many things… even though they knew they were most likely murderers.

[@gericummings6122]

This is how a fruitful police interview should be held. Good cop first/ bad cop ltr.

[@gregmontbello6969]

My god if your a cop you have to know that this audio will need to be listened to if not outright played in court and should be cognizant and not make a darn racket like that moving crap around!

[@cdog1147]

It’s driving me nuts though I’m sure it’s on accident.

[@erinthomas7832]

The detectives apologize for the fact that their first priority here wasn't to check the audio quality for you, because that obviously should've been their first priority, since they are obviously a part of the media.

[@gregmontbello6969]

@@erinthomas7832 Yeah exactly it should be the first priority. Getting clear audio that can be heard properly in a court or anywhere else law enforcement needs to play it, is extremely important

[@catherineseiler7407]

Angela was the mastermind

[@lisasmith4296]

Angela talks about her sons as if they are little kids 🥴

[@brg2743]

Wonder if Angela was so controlling because she suffered abuse as a child? Still not a reason to plot and kill anyone. Also, adult son's should have had their own lives, homes and steady employment. That responsibility factor wasn't present.

[@Herewearenowentertainus]

I wonder if she abused her sons, as she projected accusations all over their wives.

[@brg2743]

Nightly backrubs? Ick.

[@Mrs51315]

They had attorneys for child custody but NOT for interrogation in a murder case...🤣

[@angeldawn7859]

Why didn't all these monster's get the death penalty?🤔 People get death from killing one much less 8 people 😡

[@AaronMcLane-j7j]

She is so annoying, can’t imagine how is to listen to that vice all the time

[@kqualls76]

I believe Angela was the mastermind of the whole thing! Listening to her lie and try to wiggle out of this is irritating! Such a narcissist 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@MsStarlena]

This woman loves to hear her self talk. She hasn’t stopped talking even talking over others!

[@paisley1134]

Nobody in prison is going to listen to blabber mouth 24/7 they will shut her mouth for her

[@StilettoCutsQuick.]

She sure did get quiet when they brought out the evidence.

[@almahicks203]

This Person is so Guilty.Everything she says is in the Good of Jake..

[@treesab]

I could feel the panic in Angela's abrupt silence when the officers put the fake custody doc she printed less than 3 wks before the murders that was notarized by her own mother. Anytime I've had to get a document notarized, the notary would have to record my thumbprint in a book. Would've loved to see both Angela and her mom explain where Hannah's thumbprint is in the notary records.

[@britt3795]

Never did a thumbprint b4 but did do ID number

[@Brandistill]

i never had to do a thumb print weird

[@looking4things669]

I've never been asked for my thumbprint but not such a bad idea.

[@feurigerStern]

@@looking4things669 I have almost always been asked for a thumbprint. Not all states require a thumbprint.

[@andriagaither1750]

When they pulled out the custody thing she typed she should have known not only do they know we did it but they know the motive

[@oliviaadan8208]

Yep exactly...love Billy's opinion...this wasn't no hillbilly revenge murder this was some SEAL TEAM 6 SHIT...lol lol U GUYS R LOOKING THE WRONG WAY...that was beyond hilarious

[@teresahudson977]

Some dumb people sincerely see themselves as being intelligent. Until they absolutely prove that they are not!

[@careybogdanovic7]

I know police or agents were just doing their job to get her to talk but it’s sick they talk to her like she is not a complete monster!

[@texasmamaw6555]

They have to fake it. They know what a evil monster she is.

[@jemsmom97]

@@texasmamaw6555 So at this point they know what she did, or at least that she was involved?

[@AlysonLewis]

Their ability to the separate is astounding. They are both excellent conversationalists to be able to talk to her this way.

[@AlysonLewis]

They are also so in step with each other.

[@cradames]

They are trained to. It's just one of the many tactics to obtain information and confessions.

[@LJE-B]

This is one twisted family, manipulated by a controlling, narcissistic matriarch. At least the two other women got away somewhat intact. You can tell she had animosity towards the Rhoden family.

[@trixie4010]

Who buys their grown sons ugly shoes when they only wear boots! I guess there was no receipt that she returned them to Walmart because they didn’t like them. Oh, that’s right….she just threw them away!

[@pathanson2220]

Yes,. Cant say she couldnt return because they had blood on them...😡

[@lorilopez1673]

She bought the shoes and in a larger size to throw detectives off because her sons only wore boots not walmart shoes.

[@user-tt4lz6kt3i]

Evil doers.

[@hilove5658]

Sadly this is the ugly truth of southern ohio. Its not as good as it was in the early 70's mod 80's. Went south in the 90's

[@marymary20]

“There was some black people up there…” Ahhhh…the Susan Smith defense.

[@wandaalvarez117]

Jake Wagner said that George never did the murders , it was him and his Dad , so what is he being charged with .....

[@10sherra]

He helped orchestrated the murders and I don't recall the exact law but Ohio is a state that can charge you with murder when involved even if you don't actually do the evil deed .

[@lorilopez1673]

They don't believe Jake

[@charlene6329]

@@lorilopez1673 I think George killed too. Jake is downplaying his involvement

[@travelingpatti2834]

He had the option to stop the murders and did not!

[@SessionswithSimone]

No she did not try to blame their murders on black people. No ma’am that was all your doing!

[@dshai0803]

Right we don't kill off families or schools that screams white entitled boys in America

[@lauracherebullock7288]

Sophia, I'm sorry you lost, most of your family, but you and your sister are so loved by the whole world 🌎! Grow up and shine bright precious baby.

[@sheila6479]

They had time to plan this then they had time to think of all the reasons NOT to do it. They are evil evil people that should all rot in hell

[@texasmamaw6555]

Her goose is cooked!!!!!!

[@Nora-xk5tf]

Points to remember: Rule #1 Never talk to the Police without a Lawyer. Police are trained how to Interrogate suspects. Police are (on the Clock) many times on OT payroll rates, let's say, $50, for example, Cops are in no hurry...however, they know the suspect is nervous, wants out of there. Additionally, consider this, my trial junkies, words of our Miranda Rights states "What you say can and will be used against you..." NOT USED TO EXHONERATE YOU... their objective is to collect evidence to convict you... get a lawyer immediately...

[@glennaryan2196]

This is why you never talk without your lawyer present, innocent or guilty. Period. This is not an endorsement in support of this crazy evil mother n grandmother.

[@Collageartist69]

She never stops talking .

[@traviswalker4126]

@@Collageartist69 most guilty ppl that are looking at prison time can’t stop running their mouth for some reason

[@TeaSpiracy]

Do yourself a favor and don't listen to the end bc it's just shuffling and nothing is even said

[@delila351]

Personally I think they need to investigate the DA who made this deal with Angela and Jake...I am sorry, but do you really TRUST what murderers tell you?

[@AlysonLewis]

Plot Twist! George and Jake aren't hers either. Their real mothers done away with, too.

[@cassiebennet4262]

This psychopath really thought she was clever and slick.

[@dawnblackwell9141]

Something I have noticed about George, he is constantly writing just like Amber Heard did through her trial with Johnny Depp, theirs a reason behind all that nervous reaction, we all knew how that turned out for Amber, it all has to do with body language 😉

[@adjustedfate]

Absolutely not defending this guy, but have you ever sat in the defendant’s chair in a courtroom during a real trial? It’s not easy listening to the worst thing you’ve done in your life being recounted detail by detail, especially when those recounting are the very people who we’re supposed to love you the most. It’s hard as hell to hold your tongue so you doodle and scribble whatever to cope, keep quite and not show your emotions.

[@peaceandlove7824]

😅😁😄😅😂 that’s funny, I was thinking about AH writing all day and then the page was clean, no words written 😅

[@Larissa-dt6nc]

A lot of defendants write on tablets...

[@TeaSpiracy]

They have nervous energy and it has to be released somehow and they only have so many options. I mean, I'm sure he could get up and run bc Grandpa Security isn't on his A-Game in the back there lol

[@CJEANNA]

Why can I only hear this through one earbud!! So annoying. The only trial that has this weird volume... Maybe I am the only one experiencing this... ?

[@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783]

No it's bad.

[@pamhudnall2124]

I can’t hear either

[@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783]

I'm sure part of the problem is the recording was done really far away, like a cave on the Canadian border, where they don't have nice things like cameras that work etc. Blame Canada. LOL. I'm kidding. The entire trial has been hard to hear most the time. Very frustrating.

[@kimbeem9556]

This isn't trial. This was the interview she did with the BCI before they offered the ridiculous plea deal.

[@4Runneradventures]

YES, It's been the whole trial

[@Collageartist69]

The interior of the trailer looked like better homes and gardens. So classy, clean, neat and orderly.

[@AlysonLewis]

Hanna was returning to her parents every time Jake was gone. Didn't want to stay there with just Angela and Billy.

[@melaniegaribaldi6724]

I wouldn't care how many folksy questions the cops asked me; if my 8 neighbors had been slayed in their bed in cold blood this cheerful talk would NOT be my mood!

[@laceyw9983]

Anyone else hear, I think it’s the prosecutor, writing while standing at the podium? She does it while questioning witnesses and I can also hear it this entire time listening to this 😩 distracting for sure.

[@justmyopinion3764]

You're listening to audio of an interrogation of Angela that happened before they were arrested. The scribbling you hear (which I admit is annoying) is being done by one of the detectives interviewing her.

[@Herewearenowentertainus]

The recorder was in the Agents writing pad. It’s like ASMR ,‘I like it.

[@histerp51]

Well Jake swore he would testify against them if they didn’t get the death sentence. So he has to tell ..