WCTH Nathan & Elizabeth FORT CLAY SECRET - Scene ANALYSIS

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[@thelittlescenes1185]

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[@bonniegillow910]

YES!!!!!!

[@bonniegillow910]

:)

[@emydel679]

Nathan love is much more deeper and authentic, protective of E and lil Jack. Back promo podcast Kevin mentioned he had heartache or heartbreak but not abt "a woman" i think he refers to him being suspended ..and ended Jack being called to replace him and got killed. Somehow he felt responsible? That guilt he carried into not being so afront with E, reserved and always just says right thing in few words! He fell in love with E got rhe courage to tell her so...triangle or wooing by L & E is more of writer's twist...drovesome fans upset... Elizabeth is gonna eventually know where her heart belongs, maybe we will see but more drama but forgiveness and love is coming...Lucas & Christopher may still have secret yet...but L will not necessarily leave HV. Next episodes will be more about relationships in HV and hopefully E & N starting a courtship....😉🙃🙃🥰

[@wendystroud7910]

"It was never the right time to tell you!" Nathan didn't choose Jack to replace him, govern his actions on the mission or cause the mudslide but it is still Imo the worst thing the writers could have done! I don't see how they can ever get some to accept the "new" mountie after this. I believe Nathan is honorable and came to Hope Valley to look after Jack's family ...he just didn't expect to love them and then couldn't find a way to tell Elizabeth!

[@wendystroud7910]

As far as the question it's all 3!

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Yes, he did probably come to hv to take care of her- he mustn’t have known about baby Jack yet. That’s a great thing to do- it’s like fate bringing them to each other. Elizabeth will realize that it’s not Nathan’s fault and that even though he could’ve run away, he decided to stay and protect her. She’ll realize that he is just as hurt as she is. He feels responsible for a colleagues death- what a weight to carry. Who’s gonna take that off him? It’s gonna be Liz

[@pamn9954]

There might be more, Jack may have told Nathan to go and watch over them( take care of them) if he doesn't make it back and doesn't want to tell her about it because he wants her to love him and not because of Jack said it. We will never know unless he said it happened.

[@thelittlescenes1185]

@@pamn9954 I believe we can say that Jack didn’t tell Nathan anything and that Nathan did indeed tell the truth when he said they never met (that was one of our big concerns about this reveal). I think this is definitely some sort of unspoken Mountie code though- that they look out for the wives and children their fellow men left behind. Right? Nathan wanted to redeem himself and went to HV. But he didn’t expect to fall for her. And I think that’s what’s gonna make Elizabeth “forgive” him (though he isn’t at fault): that he only came to HV to make up for Jacks death, out of accountability because that could’ve been him. The situation could’ve been reversed and he would want someone to look out for Allie

[@lisacorbaley6541]

I agree

[@bobbieanderson5120]

Great analysis! This is so painful for both Nathan and Elizabeth. It's clear that Nathan has been carrying the weight of this secret for a long time and certainly never expected to fall in love with Jack Thornton's widow. He's tried to rein in his feelings and not show her how he feels and that's been hard on him too. Elizabeth is in such a heightened emotional state right now with the romantic gestures coming from Lucas, her concern for Allie and her feelings for Nathan, and when she learns the secret, it's overwhelming to process. I thought the scene was played brilliantly! Kevin and Erin are incredible together and do such an awesome job of communicating emotion with every part of their body in addition to their words.

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Yes! Very true, I didn't have to analyze that because frustration is such a "loud" body language and they played it so well- every part of it

[@Kate-jf1fz]

Yes I agree, very intense acting....

[@a.l.s.9273]

Nathan is a man of few words and has opened up more to Elizabeth than anyone! He has seen the pain she feels over the loss of Jack.....how do you tell someone you are indirectly and partially to blame for their loss especially when you care for them....you don't want to cause them more pain! It's all three she is upset about!

[@thelittlescenes1185]

You’re right, I don’t think he’s to blame at all but that’s what she’s thinking right now and she has to process all of this. She also has to have some conversations about this with him to understand his choices better. It’s gonna be an interesting few episodes to come

[@katelynthornburg5704]

I think Nathan has seen that vulnerable side more than Lucas has. I don't think she's opened up too much to either one, but it does seem like Nathan understands more than Lucas does. Correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a while since I've watched seasons 6 & 7

[@alicepahler7610]

@@thelittlescenes1185Elizabeth is a smart woman. Once she processes this, I hope she will tell Nathan that she does not blame him. I also hope she shares with him the story of Jack's friend Doug to comfort him further. I'm excited because I think this is actually the break these two need to get together.

[@normasmither202]

@@alicepahler7610 I agree with your comments. And you know, Jack could have said no to the training mission. No one knew there would be a rock slide and Jack probably thought this was a routine training mission when he accepted it. No one was to blame but when a person is hurting they tend to look for someone to blame. Hurt people hurt people.

[@layolacreabea502]

I can understand why N feels the way he does , but in some professions people get replaced all the time , for all kinds of reasons. E will understand, it’s just too much for her to consume at once .

[@singingal17]

In essence, it could be all three reasons at the same time. It is a HUGE bombshell that got dropped on her and she doesn't know how to process it. She feels that Jack might still be alive and well if he hadn't replaced Nathan. She feels betrayed that Nathan kept this from her for so long, and no matter the team, she does have feelings for Nathan that she is obviously confused by. With this revelation, its going to be that much harder to come to terms with Nathan. On the other hand, poor Nathan! He has intense feelings for this woman, and all along, he has carried this secret that could undoubtedly push her away for good and the guilt is so heavy on his shoulders that he feels responsible for Jack's death. Yes, telling her was the right thing to do, but it must have been so hard on him to do so. Truth is never easy in moments like these, but it had to be said. I just hope this doesn't drive a wedge between them for very long. Yes, I am team Nathan. Lucas is a good man, but my heart will always belong to the red surge.

[@thelittlescenes1185]

You said that so well

[@singingal17]

@@thelittlescenes1185 Thank you!

[@arianamoretti5797]

Nathan had no desire to add to Elizabeth's pain of losing Jack...any reasonable person can understand how the "right" moment never came up. He asked for the transfer that brought him and Allie to Hope Valley.....he's been looking over Jack's family the whole time! This is why he was so upset when she put herself in danger up on the mountain. He has saved her life twice now...I don't think he expected to fall in love with her!

[@Becky-xu3eq]

Twice when what times were those I forget

[@normasmither202]

Right on! Everything you said!

[@wendystroud7910]

@@Becky-xu3eq once was in the saloon when the man Lucas cheated showed up and held Elizabeth hostage...The second was on the mountain when her and Emily couldn't make it back to the cabin!

[@nancyross3964]

when he was in the trial he made his speech about being sorry for all the lost husbands & the wives they left behind, he can't change that but he can try to make the world better. (something along those lines) He was talking about Elizabeth, then as he was saying they they showed E outside with Allie.

[@orsetta7219]

@@80077655 don't want it to become a two-way dialogue but I would like to point out that he takes the oil company away from Henry, says he can't manage it, and goes away for a few months, it feels like New Orleans. The definition of the country's savior seems to me a little forced and you say "he lent the money to Nathan he did not give it away", the loan in those days and even today it seems to me to be part of the business from which a consideration is obtained. Then it can be improved, holy it seems exaggerated to me. Neither is Lee who founded the sawmill after the mine went bankrupt and really saved the country.

[@peterthegreatj]

Does anyone remember that Christmas Episode? That was what sealed the deal for me for Nathan and Elizabeth. She storms into his office demanding to know when he was going to tell her he was leaving. He proceeds to tell her it's a promotion and there's nothing really holding them back. She gets so upset with him and in that moment it's clear where her feelings are because a friend would have been happy for him. But she uses Ally as an excuse and how she made friends, and then finally mentions HIS FRIENDS too. Clearly, meaning her. And, then she storms off with an angry, "Congratulations," ... like I get being upset a friend is leaving but there was so much then being upset a friends leaving. She could have been happy he got a promotion. In fact, former friends with promotions and leaving she never got quite this angry. She was actually angry at him for leaving, and considering leaving. That honestly sealed my mind that she has feelings for Nathan. And they consistently have these unhinged, raw emotions, Elizabeth consistently demands answers, puts herself into Nathan's life, and I think she's so easily upset with him for reasons outside of the secrets. She's scared of how she feels. But, she can't control how she feels either. This wasn't the first time she got upset with him and got snippity. Like Poor Nathan. xD

[@emydel679]

You're so right!! Guess we do hurt most times, the ones we love..coz we care deeply...sigh...😊

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Dang it, I have to rewatch that

[@cheryltriplett8444]

You are so right about this. Elizabeth knew she liked Nathan. That was clear from the beginning. All changed when he was possibly shot. She realized the depth of her feelings and was unprepared and more importantly, unwilling to put her heart out there again. Now anything else would be settling (for a half love)and we know it.

[@peterthegreatj]

I know a lot of people were stressed about this scene, but it told so much. It showed why Nathan was so hesitant to get close to her. She realized that at that moment too as he even expressed, "Show how I feel,". She demanded answers from him which shows how much she cares. There was so much raw emotion and passion in this scene. She again mentioned being afraid of being with him and now for the sake of Allie. She has many fears with him. She has to face those. But her inhinged emotions, the way they talk, there's a burning fire, a passion... and it's all about to explode. She now knows why he was hesitant. She's tried so hard to get him to open up, to even ask her out... but then she got afraid too, just like him.

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Yes! she has so many fears within herself. It's really hard.

[@deannaspark246]

After watching this, I have to wonder if Nathan was forced to take the post in Hope Valley as punishment by the commander who was out to get him. Imagine how difficult it must have been for him to see how much everyone loved and missed Jack, especially Elizabeth, knowing that his actions contributed to his death. It would explain why Nathan seemed so distant when he first came to town. I really feel for him and don't blame him for wanting to keep his secret from not only Elizabeth but the whole town. I hope that bringing it out into the open will allow him to get help (Joseph maybe?) I also think that once Elizabeth processes everything, she will forgive him and they can both heal from Jack's death.

[@alicepahler7610]

I am sure Nathan requested the post--the Mounties would never do that to one of their own as punishment. Besides, I actually think what Nathan did would have been done by Jack or Avery as well.

[@darant2249]

Good thought

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Oh wow Deanna! That would be a really good storyline too!

[@thelittlescenes1185]

@@alicepahler7610 I think so too!

[@peterthegreatj]

If When calls the heart doesn't go down the Nathan and Elizabeth path they'd be missing out on an incredible untold story of love, forgiveness, and chance. Jack died so Nathan could live. Nathan who is the only adult in Allie's life. A love story about a woman who has to come to terms with the fact that she loved Jack so much, but possibly Jack's death led her to the next great love of her life. It's heartbreaking. It's hard to fathom, But, my god what a beautiful story to be told. What emotions, strength, and growth Elizabeth would have to overcome to realize that she loves them both. Loved Jack. Loves Nathan. And if Jack didn't die, Nathan probably would have. And we already know how she can't handle the idea of Nathan dying too. It's almost like fate. Or destiny. I don't know. But, it'd be beautiful. And heartbreaking. And healing. And something not seen in Television. Also, kind of getting annoyed at Lucas fans who keep saying, "I'd never be able to be with the man that should have died instead of my former Husband..." like wtf. It wasn't Nathan's fault. If anything it was almost like fate. It's horrible Jack died, but Jack died so Nathan could live. So Allie had a father. And maybe, so Elizabeth and Nathan can have a family with a remembrance of Jack. They can keep Jack's memory alive for Little Jack. There's so much to be explored and it'd be a shame to see it go to waste. And, I can't stand the mentality of, "ID NEVER FORGIVE." there's NOTHING to FORGIVE. It isn't Nathan's fault. I think Elizabeth having to go through that entire, "If it wasn't Jack, it'd be Nathan" is such an interesting storyline, and realization, and honestly... man. They're missing out on a great lovestory, and plot if they just go with the romantic boy that's easy to "love," except I don't think she loves Lucas. I think he's stable. I think he's fun. I think he's attractive. But what a boring storyline COMPARED to what this all could become.

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Beautifully said. It would really be a one-of-a-kind story, especially for a series and also considering the storyline that Elizabeth thought she was ready to move on but as Minnie said, Jack's death is still fresh, she still has to process. The only thing she really has to forgive is a friend holding back something from her for such a long time. I don't even think we should go down the hole of if Jack didn't, Nathan would've- we can't for sure say that it works that way. "What if" the landslide wouldn't have happened if Nathan went but something else would've killed Jack and Elizabeth would've been left completely alone without a Nathan to be there for her...that's also a possibility. There are so many. Also, yes, Lucas is attractive and much more fun than Nathan (so far). But I think Nathan is the stable guy out of the two, you know? Lucas fled when Elizabeth hugged Nathan (without telling her), he insulted her !out of the blue! when HIS mother made her promise not to tell him her secret and he just doesn't really SEE her the way she is. Lucas sees what HE wants to have with a woman. Not necessarily with Elizabeth. Nathan, in my eyes, just sees Elizabeth for who she is- and he likes her just like that. He's reliable and I often say: He's always available for her, which is very important in order to have a relationship. I 100% agree that this story just NEEDS to be told. It is now a story of redemption and a story of taking a chance (like Rachel said). It's a story of not carrying the ghosts of the past into the present moment: once you face the ghost, you'll realize that it's not there to hold you back. It's just trying to protect you from getting hurt and you have to re-evaluate and ask yourself "Is this person worth the possibility of more pain?". Loving someone always comes with the risk of losing them too soon.

[@melodyestamm9922]

Wow! Well said and absolutely a beautiful story. Kevin and Erin pushed for this storyline for quite a while and I'm happy they did. This is per Kevin in Paul Green's podcast. You captured this season in a nutshell.

[@melodyestamm9922]

@@80077655 After all, it is just fiction. Time will tell and we will know the fulll story of season 8.

[@emydel679]

@peter the 👍great!! You captured nuances of this story between E & N so beautifully 😍❤..yes, its a story that need to ge told., what happened to Jack and Nathan is fate, Spiritual values, HM shd take their cue from you...superficial stories does nothing to us, except entertaining this one if written well, forgiveness and putting others first ahead of yourself is sublime, per Bible, love God with all your heart then "Love thy neighbors next commandment...Nathan did that put his niece welfare when he didn't leave HV and for Elizabeth safety 2x....Hearties have a great week!!

[@1370np]

You said it so well!!! I absolutely agree. What a beautiful Story. This clarifies so much about Nathan. I just hope they have written the rest of the season so that he will be more honest now that the biggest secret is out and he’s about to lose Elizabeth... about what he was disciplined about and why he didn’t always tell her the whole truth I.e. that the man who came to HV was alley’s dad.

[@hildawheeler2598]

I think it’s all three. I also think superintendent Hargreaves blamed Nathan too because he really wanted to find a reason to discipline him further but realized when Allie spoke at the hearing that Nathan is really not to blame. If anything Hargreaves seems to feel responsible as he was the one who disciplined Nathan (it seemed to be implied that another commanding officer would not have suspended Nathan for following his instincts and arresting the men he was tracking instead of letting them go) and now Hargreaves blames himself for Jackie’s death and tried to take it out on Nathan. I hope that made sense. I think in time Elizabeth will understand that all of these things were out of Nathan’s control and that Jack very well might have made the same choice as Nathan to arrest those men. I don’t think Nathan came to HV on purpose, I think he was assigned there and it’s obvious that he had an attraction to Elizabeth before he knew who she was if you rewatch the scene where they met. I think Lucas having a little temper tantrum over the art work he was trying to buy his parents only shows his true colours. He has said before that he doesn’t accept things easily so I would be interested to see his reaction the first time little Jack gives him a hard time. Lucas has never really talked to Elizabeth about anything of a serious nature (I find he usually interrupts her, answers for her or talks around the issue) so the question we saw him asking in the preview should be an interesting scene, especially if he lets her actually answer. I’m with everyone who says they are ready for this triangle to be over.

[@kathymcinturf2610]

I think that you have hit the nail on the head! 👍🏻

[@emydel679]

So over, something is going to happen to Lucas and Christopher...obviously they know each other before....even Kevin says, in one podcast, more to Lucas than meets the eye!! Once again Elizabeth allows herself to be " fooled" guess its bit of who she is in her prev station in life...tho she really adapted and loved HV, and teaching, now and then maybe the city life or attention like Lucas boost her feminine side!! Notsure if this is accurate...sorry Team Lucas. Hope one of them who does not win E will find a good match...ie Fiona or a newcomer who woll buy Dottie's Fashion store..

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Very interesting points! Especially about Nathan not choosing HV and about Hargraves feeling guilty- hmmm.

[@darnellsacco3824]

I love this analysis. You broke it down second by second. Thank you!

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Thank you! I'm so glad you liked it- I actually didn't break this one down too much- there's always more to read. But I also analyzed the "I love you" scene and I went deep there if you like watching analyses and haven't seen it yet

[@darnellsacco3824]

@@thelittlescenes1185 I have not seen that one yet

[@hsbvt]

B and C. This whole situation coming out shows me why he was always interacting with Little Jack. There was some serious guilt about, "I am part of the reason why you will never know your Dad..." It makes TOTAL sense now. I feel bad for Nathan for having to carry that burden for so long, I feel bad for Elizabeth because a wound just got re-opened and I feel bad for Lucas because he really has no idea what just went down and the intensity of the whole situation.

[@cheryltriplett8444]

It also explains why Nathan was SO upset when Elizabeth was in danger during the wind storm. “I just want you to be safe.” I’m here to keep you safe~

[@justAbigailsinging]

“You are her rock. You are her foundation. If you let her down, her whole world crumbles.” Elizabeth isn’t talking about Allie-she’s talking about herself.

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Interesting thought. I was just thinking that those are very admiring words- it’s really a compliment to the kind of father he is

[@cheryltriplett8444]

I thought that the moment she said those words. Nathan (some where along the line) became her rock. She just doesn’t know it, yet!

[@justAbigailsinging]

By choosing Lucas, she chose the safe option. And all of the values and morals and things in the show would have been enhanced by choosing Nathan, but now they kind of seem ignored. 😢

[@tlaheadley]

This was such a heart wrenching scene

[@gailprice767]

I really don't like the length of this triangle it's not wcth worthy. I believe that Nathan's guilt has like paralyzed his ability to express himself. He was so conscious of the pain of Jack's loss to Elizabeth that he came to HV to watch out for her. Maybe from a distance, he probably felt he owed E and Jack that. He didn't think he would be in close contact with her as Allys teacher and things changed. He knew if she knew that it would b complicated and he kept as distant as possible. But the heart wants what the heart wants; he could have left, he didn't. Every thing must come to the surface so they can heal. They are both hurting from the same thing. This is the corner turning moment, this will make her acknowledge her true feelings and be free to forgive and love Nathan.❤

[@thelittlescenes1185]

I think so too! It’s hard to watch but it’s what happens in life sometimes- that’s why I still appreciate it

[@gailprice767]

I feel for Lucas because she is leaning to the easier relationship, the softer side where her heart might not be hurt and she doesn't have to love so hard. Lucas is a safe bet because Nathan would be an all-out-heart to the world love.

[@blanchejones8115]

I hope so..I am getting tired of the whole thing.

[@rdowning60]

Jack's death was not Nathan's fault..he was removed from that duty by a superior who then gave the mission to Jack to carry out..unless there is something else yet to spill out

[@georgiabarker6852]

Why is she walking away like that? Nathan did nothing wrong. It was not his decision to send Jack in his place. Nobody should have died but it wasn't his fault.

[@Becky-xu3eq]

It is because she was in shock about the new. Jack was her rock and foundation and then she lost it and she has never completely got done grieving and I think now that she knows about Nathan’s secret I feel like she is going to be thinking every time she looks at him about how jack died doing this job

[@Becky-xu3eq]

At least that is what I think

[@normasmither202]

@@Becky-xu3eq I don't think Nathan did anything wrong. Accidents happen and things happen that we will never understand. Nathan is not responsible for Jack's death. But whether she feels he is or not, forgiveness is a choice.

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Remember Minnie saying to Elizabeth “This must still be fresh for you”- that’s why she walked away. It still is fresh and at the same time the man she really trusted to be open with her has kept a secret like that. I pointed out in the video how she is moving her eyes quickly, meaning it’s a lot to process! She can’t process with him and the town there - she has to withdraw

[@georgiabarker6852]

@@thelittlescenes1185 makes sense. I just feel though that she lead Nathan on, and as soon as he expressed his feelings to her and made himself vulnerable, she started treating him with contempt.

[@bonniegillow910]

I KNEW that Nathan had some other link to Jack when he first came to Hope Valley, I totally called that haha (also great job on the video, it was detailed and well put together and really made me think

[@thelittlescenes1185]

I'm so glad! Thank you.

[@maryannhudson2374]

I knew there was something underlying his being in HV when the camera stilled on him as Clara was reciting her vows to Jesse at their wedding ceremony. That was a "tell" to me.

[@ALynne-ev2qh]

At this point Elizabeth has only ever talked to Nathan about Jack. He more than anyone feels her loss and pain combine that with caring for her and feeling like he should have led the mission I can see how the right moment never came up! Nathan couldn't have known what would happen... it's unfair to blame him when ultimately life and death are in God's hands. He as others have said did not choose for Jack to go or make the tradgey happen. We really don't know what happened out there with Jack....did the 2 mounties he saved cause his death, was there some choice Jack made while out there that led to the tradgedy. Blaming Nathan for Jack's death is wrong... some things are preordained, some are acts of God and some are just poor storylines of the wcth writers! Nathan is only guilty of being removed from an assignment for a previous incident.. Even if he went on the assignment doesn't mean the outcome would have been the same! (She is probably upset with Nathan about all 3! )IF ELIZABETH IS FAIR SHE WILL COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION!

[@thelittlescenes1185]

And guilty of not telling her sooner, since she's a friend. But since he didn't cheat on her I think it's forgiveable

[@joannjones4824]

I believe she should be with Nathan . They belong together

[@gretabaker1331]

Wow there’s so much between these two!

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Yes!

[@snowbird4788]

Jack’s death was not Nathan’s fault but she will always think if it weren’t for him Jack would still be alive. She should go with Lucas now. But in her heart of hearts she is in love with Nathan. Too bad as I think Nathan is the better man.

[@normasmither202]

I think she would be settling if she were to choose Lucas. She is in love with Nathan. Guess she better work out her feelings. We only have 4 more shows left. Thank goodness!

[@thelittlescenes1185]

If you really think about it the worst thing Nathan has done is keep this from her- I don’t think Elizabeth is one to always think “oh but if he wasn’t disciplined because he followed his gut Jack would still be alive”- she’s better than that. The landslide is just something you can’t control-

[@loiswharton4152]

I remember when Doug replaced Jack, but Doug mom didn’t blame Jack for his death. Elizabeth heard this conversation and should not blame Nathan for Jack’s death.

[@thelittlescenes1185]

@@loiswharton4152 Agreed. That would be cruel of her

[@jamesdaniels8007]

I always had a feeling that there was something bigger than them. Jack has been a ghost haunting Nathan and Elizabeth ever since they met. Hopefully now they can put him to rest and learn to be them, no matter the outcome of the love triangle.

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Well said! They need to learn to live their own lives - together as a couple or as friends (doesn’t matter)- and stop making it a love fourangle?

[@jamesdaniels8007]

@@thelittlescenes1185 ah, I see what you did there. Yes, Jack (big Jack) is key.

[@Mkw3278]

Still TEAM NATHAN!

[@thelittlescenes1185]

We all are😂 hangin on by a thread

[@baalamo]

Loved that "bring it on!" moment he had - good thing to catch! Wow, he really helped her to finally get to the bottom of things. What a bombshell!

[@thelittlescenes1185]

I was surprised by that! But he just looked her straight in the eye keeping the eye-contact, it was a great moment

[@Mysterywoman89]

I think B or C or something close to one of those. I don’t think is Nathan’s fault Jack die because Jack did the same thing with Dough and Dough’s mother didn’t blame Jack for her son’s death. I also don’t think that Elizabeth will blame Nathan for Jack’s death if she does, then something is really wrong with her. So I think Elizabeth is going to be hurt by this the fact that Nathan didn’t tell her sooner about what really happen in Fort Clay But I do hope that the reason Nathan took the Hope Valley spot was because of Jack’s wife who he gotten to know now, to look after them, take care of, just because Jack took the assignment he was supposed to take. Elizabeth & Nathan Endgame OTP ❤️

[@alicepahler7610]

Once she calms down, I think she will go to Nathan and tell him not to blame himself--that she doesn't. I hope she shares the story of Jack's good friend Doug with him. I think that will open the door for him to tell her why he held back on asking her out (because of guilt feelings), and that they finally get closer.

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Agreed, Elizabeth won’t blame him for Jacks death, he’ll just have to accept that she’ll need time to process and that he shouldn’t have kept this secret for so long. But now- all the walls have crumbled !

[@normasmither202]

I enjoy reading the comments. Some are right on and others judgmental. We are all so different but none of us are perfect. I have the gift of mercy and I am so.glad because I need grace many times. I want to treat people the way I want to be treated. I want to give people the benefit of the doubt. I want to say I am wrong when I'm wrong. I want to forgive and to see the best in people. I think that is why I love Hope Valley. I see those things in the characters there. That's what makes WCTH so special. And that's why I have not liked Season 8 because it has been more of a soap opera. It has been hard for me to see the goodness in others, especially Elizabeth, because she is hurting Nathan. And at the end of the day, either Lucas or Nathan will be hurt. I just think the writers can do better than this.

[@alicepahler7610]

Elizabeth has been meaner to Nathan ever since she thought he had been killed. I think it is because it hit her like a ton of bricks that she cared that much, and it was a reality check that she could lose another love in a split second. Do you remember a time where all she did was fight with Jack and push him away? She was honest and told him she was afraid to love him because she wasn't as brave as he was. But, she did an about face when she was almost killed in the mine. As for Lucas, I see him as a close friend like Charles was.

[@thelittlescenes1185]

It is definitely more dramatic but at the same time WCTH hasn't lost its touch to reality (like soap operas) - what they are showing us this season is almost too realistic and that's what makes it so hard to watch. But because it's Hope Valley the characters will overcome this obstacle too and they will grow from it and have more depth than ever before!

[@1370np]

@@alicepahler7610 I would like to see a video comparing all the Charles interactions and showing the similarity to Lucas because I agree! She smiled a lot with Charles as well. I sooo hope they do right by what could be a beautiful story line of forgiveness and true love with a twist-Nathan and Elizabeth all the way!

[@cheryltriplett8444]

I just discover your site. Amazing and so fun to read your thoughts. So much there that points out what amazing actors the two(Chris, also) are. Thank you for this!

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Thank you!

[@kristineady4038]

Lucus is a liar and hypocrit cause he told elizabeth he was fine with nathan and elizabeth's friendship but the way he acts and looks when he sees there conversation from a distance he clearly doesnt mean what he told her

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Well, cause it's hard right? He wants to be okay with it but Elizabeth is giving him every reason NOT to be

[@duck782]

I don't think its really lying. Lots of us say we are ok with a situation because we want to be. Then when we are hit with it again, it hurts.

[@katelynthornburg5704]

I've thought about it, as much as I loved Jack, it's almost a good thing it was him instead of Nathan. Had it been Nathan, Ally would have gone to an orphanage. But baby Jack has Elizabeth, and an amazing support system. I'm not saying growing up without your dad would be easy by any means, but he would still have a parent. Ally wouldn't, at least not one who would take care of her, unless she got adopted by someone else.

[@orsetta7219]

So summing up. Elisabeth refuses Nathan's courtship because 1- she is afraid of suffering for his eventual loss. 2- because she is afraid that if there is something wrong with them, Ally could suffer. 3- For what Nathan didn't tell her about Fort Clay. Did I get it right? If so, I have no words. This series has become the allegory of FEAR. Lucas is afraid that Elisabeth is not sincere and leaves him, Nathan is afraid of making Elisabeth suffer and does not tell her that Jack has been called to replace him (as I have already said, I think he replaced him for the entire period of the suspension and the two did they never met), Ally is afraid of losing the chance to have a family. Another thought, why does Elisabeth have to hold Nathan responsible for her husband's death and be so hurt that she hates him? She immediately got mad at Lucas when she nearly died in the saloon. After a day it was as if nothing had happened. It seems to me that in that case the responsibility was much more evident. So I don't join the chorus of why he didn't tell Elisabeth. What should he have told her, that he is such a responsible man that he feels guilty even when it makes no sense? I'd like to have a good understanding of the office scene and evening dinner with Lucas instead if it took place. And Christopher's mention of the "mud" someone is in? Right now my brain and my modest intelligence, trapped between fears and constrictions, really feel slapped.

[@thelittlescenes1185]

“What should he have told her, that he is such a responsible man that he feels guilty even when it makes no sense?” SO well said oretta! He really didn’t do anything wrong- the only thing you could blame him for is that he came to Hope Valley out of guilt to watch over Elizabeth and he didn’t admit that to her. It’s a bit creepy lol, to go watch over someone but not tell them that’s what you’re doing. He didn’t have to go to HV but he wanted to redeem himself. I think Elizabeth will realize how hurt he is and she will help him out of that. After all, they are good friends. As always, you listed the most important parts! Thank you

[@orsetta7219]

@@thelittlescenes1185 I have some doubts about Nathan asking to go to Hope Valley. He may have asked for a transfer but we all know that the military is sent not where they want it but where the commands decide. In fact, the series begins with an angry Jack asking for a transfer from Coal valley when he discovers that his destination has been changed to protect Elisabeth as requested by her parents. Speaking of protection .. Bah

[@thelittlescenes1185]

@@orsetta7219 well after being disciplined maybe the Mountie headquarters decided to honor his request because HV is a small town, they probably thought it’s great that he wants to go there, he can keep on the low for a while

[@thelittlescenes1185]

@@80077655 it’s difficult and it happens to people. I can imagine that it’s not something you ever fully “get over”, you’ll always carry that person in your heart

[@orsetta7219]

@@80077655 no I've never served in the army. My man does. But I don't believe in the word "never" even in life. So I don't even believe in fiction. If they haven't really changed everything, understanding and forgiveness are the basis of the whole series and it happened for Gawen, Jessie, Frank and so on.

[@mariannemurphy7955]

Just want to say that I appreciate the explanation of body language in the scene. My subconscious reacts to it - some fine acting there - but I can’t put my finger on my reaction. You explained it step by step.

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Thank you! I agree, we react to it subconsciously and it influences how we perceive what’s happening in the scene. It’s so exciting to look at it because it happens in our everyday lives too! In this one I left out a lot of stuff because frustration is very easy to read and they were just frustrated most of the scene😂😂😂

[@arielle_yt1468]

Love this scene #Teamnathan, All the wayy! Could u do the scene of Minnie Goes "How did u lose him" To elizabeth Tyy

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Hi Emily! Yes, I wanted to upload that one too! It was so important

[@arielle_yt1468]

@@thelittlescenes1185 TY! i Nearly cried! :C

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Remember, everyone, on my channel- we’re being KIND to one another. No matter the team. That being said: this scene is loaded. What’s your favorite part of it? I particularly enjoy watching Nathan open and close his mouth before telling her the secret- it just makes me laugh to watch that! I hope you enjoy this one too, I just HAD to take a closer look

[@alicepahler7610]

That was my favorite, too. He has done that so many times with her when he was trying to ask her out and then he backed down. At least this time he got it out.

[@normasmither202]

He doesn't have the gift of gab like Lucas. Nathan is more private and shy. It's hard for him to find the right words. I get that. And how would you tell someone you were falling in love with that you feel.responsible for her husband's death. But he really wasn't. I was so glad that Nathan was finally able to get this off his chest. This video and your assessment was excellent! Thank you!

[@sherrithrasher6143]

I think she will struggle with it because of all 3. I think Bill will hopefully return to find out what happen and help them work through it. It wasn’t Nathan’s fault and it’s a guilt he has carried for all this time. I think he also could have lost a friend as well. Him being disciplined I still think will turn out to be not justified but even if it was it wasn’t his actual fault . It would have been him instead. Brian bird also tweeted there’s still more to come out about ft clay and I think it will show he holds himself guilty like Jack did over Doug because he turned down a promotion. Hopefully she will remember that. When you see what burden he’s been carrying around and remember Ally said they said he did everything right last time and how he was a lot more fun before ft clay happened. I think the depth of his feelings for Elizabeth show here in that he’s torn between protecting his daughter and the relationship between the two women in his life. Now the whole ft. CLay thing. I think a lot of soul searching will be done in next few episodes. I think Lee will try to help as well.

[@thelittlescenes1185]

@@normasmither202 thank YOU Norma!

[@thelittlescenes1185]

@@sherrithrasher6143 what an interesting thought to have Lee help! He has great perspective to offer that would be fun. And I want Joseph in too! Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us!

[@adammagriffith8275]

I certainly loved that analysis. Lucas is definitely pissed that they are having the conversation and in the open. I don't like Lucas because he seems like he is hiding something. I also didn't like it when he put Elizabeth in danger when men came into the saloon with guns. I must say I am team Nathan all the way. I enjoy watching Elizabeth and Nathan because they talk and argue like they are already in a relationship. Was it Nathan's place to tell Elizabeth what happened in Fort Clay? Absolutely....but he didn't put Jack in that particular assignment or danger. That was a decision their boss made. I am sure Nathan feels a lot of guilt but I also don't think he intended to fall in love with Jack's widow. I think their relationship is much more complicated now than ever. I believe that Elizabeth has strong feelings for Nathan. She may even love him but she is still afraid. I have seen more emotion from Elizabeth from her talks with Nathan than all her dates with Lucas.

[@thelittlescenes1185]

That’s true. There’s a lack of connection with Lucas IMO too. It’s this wall, like there was with Nathan but now Nathan’s wall is down...and we’re waiting to see what Lucas was hiding

[@emmanewton9074]

I think B, because Nathan did not want to hurt Elizabeth because Elizabeth was so happy to see him and make friends. And Nathan did not want to get on the wrong foot with her. Nathan never expected to fall in love with Elizabeth. I think Nathan would have told her, but because of his feelings for her he held back. Nathan thought that if he did not tell her then maybe he could have a future with her. Nothing is anyone's fault, every situation has two sides to it. One side is Jack overtook Nathan's spot, and ended up dieing in the end. Even though Nathan probably did not want that knowing that Jack had a wife and a baby. The second side of the story is if Nathan would have died then Ally would have been an orphan. We can t really pin the blame on anyone because Nathan never knew that Jack would take his spot on the mission.

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Yes! another option is Jack would’ve died because of something else and Nathan wouldn’t have been in HV to watch over Elizabeth. I actually think differently- I thought he started getting the urge to tell her after he started developing feelings for her. But he was fighting his feelings as we know now, and that’s hard enough to do. Sure keeps you busy. I hope they have a conversation about when he initially wanted to tell her in the next episode

[@Aurora-ob9ix]

I truly hope it wasn't the fear of not having a future with her that made Nathan withhold this information,it would make the situation worse.I love Nathan but honesty is important ; and an information that important which could shape your relationship needed to be shared. If she had reciprocated his feelings when he told her that he loved her,they would be a couple now and she would have learned that at this moment,can you imagine the pain ?

[@DianaCollander]

In season 4 Jack was feeling guilty over his friend Doug's death because Doug took Jack's place and was killed. Doug's mother told him it was not his fault. Elizabeth was dating the local saloon owner and Jack didn't like it. There are so many similarities between Jack and Elizabeth and Nathan and Elizabeth's connection.

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Very true!

[@hannahjacobs3416]

shes going to pick nathan in the end!!

[@pushparaj1530]

Always team NATHAN

[@alicepahler7610]

I still say Nathan is the endgame. I have a question for Hearties. If Elizabeth were able to ask for Jack's input on a father for little Jack, who do you think he would choose?

[@wendystroud7910]

Nathan hands down and without a doubt!

[@a.l.s.9273]

Nathan Nathan Nathan!

[@arianamoretti5797]

Nathan!

[@ALynne-ev2qh]

Nathan of course!

[@savedbygrace6076]

Without question Nathan Grant!

[@darant2249]

She really likes strong men. Lucas is an interlude. She left the party life for the frontier. She will end up with Nathan. Lucas should end up with Fiona. Better match.

[@TheDoconnor1266]

I think b then a. She probably feels his death could have been avoided because of Nathan. Also, most importantly that he took so long to tell her so she can be at peace about it. I think this is the nail on the coffin between these two.

[@thelittlescenes1185]

I don't think so! And am excited to find out what happens. Agreed that he kept the secret for too long

[@Shamelslife]

I think Elizabeth is mostly upset that Nathan waited so long to tell her, but also because of his indirect involvement in Jack’s death. I wouldn’t say he had a direct hand in it, nor that he could have avoided or prevented it. I understand though why his involvement in any way, plus his hesitancy to tell her, would upset her. I hope she can find it in her to forgive. Still #teamnathan!

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Exactly. Jack's life was NOT in Nathan's hands. Period. However, telling Elizabeth this part of his story would've been appropriate

[@Shamelslife]

@@thelittlescenes1185 It kind of annoys me that Elizabeth can be so insistent on having an answer and yet still feels she can get so hurt and distrustful of Nathan when he tells her his big secret. I just want to shake her and say, why are you so hurt? Why do you think he didn’t tell you? I understand the secret involves your dead husband, indirectly. But he kept it from you for a long time, and would have left town to continue to keep it. But you’ve been stomping around, interrupting him at in opportune moments, like a spoiled child, until he caved. One of the first things I was taught about highly emotional discussions/arguments etc, was to try to see both sides. I think she needs to stop being so self centered and try to see Nathan’s side of this story.

[@thelittlescenes1185]

@@Shamelslife She will slowly process her pain and then she'll be able to see more clearly. It takes time and we have to be patient with her

[@kerribrown4684]

Your videos are always so incredible!!! Mind = blown!!

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Kerri! Thank you!!!

[@catherinemagill2008]

Team Nathan!

[@Kieraloden]

How did she knew he was hiding something? If she is so tuned into Nathan why can’t she see Lucas is hiding a lot from her?

[@thelittlescenes1185]

I'm Team Nathan- but I think it's because she generally doesn't think much about Lucas. Not about losing him, not about how he must feel that she didn't tell Nathan "I don't love you", really not about much at all. They are keeping each other at arm's length emotionally- Lucas and ELizabeth

[@cooperbancroft8321]

Answering you question at the end I think it is more C and B. She will probably forgive him eventually, for the reason of not telling her sooner. But also when she told him she couldn't love him because he was a mountie and of that danger, now she has something else to worry about. That he could have died just as easy as Jack did!😵🤯 just my opinion though!😊 I was in shock this while scene! Love the play by play thanks!

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Agree! Thank you, I'm glad you liked it

[@emydel679]

My thoughts are with the revelation from Nathan, she will be hurt at first, will analyze it over and perhaps will seek Jo Canfield for a chat, to sort it out? May also talk to Rosemary, Lee and Bill...its why Nathan was so quiet and hesitant to show her emotions coz of his guilt!?? Hope Valley though is a community that cares and forgiveness, redemption abounds! Its what WCTH truly is from the start. Wish Abigail is around to support Elizabeth this time, again. Perhaps Abigail will return in next season 9, to add to the story of Elizabeth and Nathan's love story as it moves on after this season 8 of grief !!❤💕, Nathan remains true to his calling, as Mountie and still able to say, he will not give up on Elizabeth! Elizabeth will wake up and realize its "the man itself he cares not the uniform" said to Jack before in one of those episodes....still Hearties and all Teams be happy all thngs will be good..more weddings to come!

[@thelittlescenes1185]

She isn't talking to anyone though! It's so annoying.

[@joycechen4282]

** still displeased ** 😂😂 killed me

[@thelittlescenes1185]

😂😂😂just didn’t feel like I needed to say much more than that lol

[@laurieleacobb]

I don’t think she blames Nathan at all. Like you said, it’s just a lot to process and she needs her space to do that. I believe that at this point, Elizabeth will choose to be with Lucas. He makes her smile again and she deserves that new beginning without any attachment to the pain of the past. Regardless of her feelings toward Nathan, who he is reminds her of that pain. My hope is that she can keep her friendship with Nathan because he’s a good man.

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Interesting! I agree, even if she does initially blame him she’ll quickly let that go because she is a fair person. I actually think Nathan will let her go at one point, so to say stop fighting for her, and that will make her realize it’s been him all along. I’m very curious to see her confrontation with Lucas about what she said to Nathan when he said I love you

[@sandrareichert6001]

I think it was very rude and selfish of Elizabeth to demand Nathan discuss this now when they were in the middle of honoring Bill who is a good friend. I wonder if her students would have behaved this way if she would have called them out on it or let it go.

[@thelittlescenes1185]

If we look at it without judging whether it was right or wrong- it just shows how urgent she felt discussing Allie's feelings was and how important talking to Nathan was to her. That's what really matters

[@hannahjacobs3416]

b and C....Elizabeth, as the writers have formed this character wont even entertain A, but she will think b and really feel c

[@jamesdaniels8007]

A is probably how she feels but I don't think it's what hurts. What hurts is, I think, both b and c (although b will be why she holds feelings of anger towards Nathan in later episodes this season). This season she has been pushing herself towards Lucas (especially after Nathan confessed his love for her) to try and quell her feelings for Nathan, a man who is now a walking reminder of Jack. The rest of this season is gonna be a heckuva ride.

[@thelittlescenes1185]

I’m ready for the rollercoaster ride to end

[@jamesdaniels8007]

@@thelittlescenes1185 Amen to that.

[@patriciakinkead1386]

It wasn't Nathan 's fault, but Elizabeth will think yes, at first but come to realize it wasn't Nathan fault.

[@thelittlescenes1185]

I think so too!

[@chemybamford9919]

Oh Goodness end this love triangle once and for all. How is Fort Clay event Nathan's fault? It is not. I keep saying Lucas can have Elizabeth and to Elizabeth Please leave Nathan Alone. You keep seeking him out. You can move on with Lucas you know. Lol

[@thelittlescenes1185]

I'm ready for Nathan to get her lol

[@bigmacattack9364]

I believe that it is b and c Obviously she has feelings for buddy Nathan over here but I don't think she would be upset about the fact that he replaced him because that is just an unfortunate coincidence. The fact that Nathan told her on like 3 separate occasions that he never knew or worked with Jack then he tells her this then that is why she is hurt .Then there is probably the "he was supposed to replace my husband" echoing in the back if her head and that stings her.

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Yes Nathan kept a secret too long considering that he and Elizabeth were friends- but he really didn’t meet Jack, we can’t hold that against him. I think Elizabeth will quickly realize that...Jacks life was not ever in Nathan’s hands!

[@bigmacattack9364]

@@thelittlescenes1185 i hope that that she will forgive and forget as well and o feel like they are making seem like its impossible to be together and that is why she is gonna choose nathan.

[@estherklitton390]

Nathan was too late being truthful about Jack. As in early episodes she questioned about her suspensions about Nathan might've had been indirectly had something to do with Jack's death. Hurtful Elizabeth, would she forgive Nathan. Don't know, her love for Jack... too shocked about Nathan...

[@ALynne-ev2qh]

Nathan said .....it was never the right time to tell you. He goes on to tell her he wanted to tell her. When is the right time and how do you tell someone something like this? He cares for her and doesn't desire to cause her more pain hence waiting for the right moment! I'm glad it's finally out and they can both move past it. Whether the writers have them end up together or not they both need some healing in their hearts.

[@estherklitton390]

I am #teamnathan

[@melodyestamm9922]

Of course she will forgive Nathan and come to terms with all of it. Nathan will forgive her if he has not already for her treatment of him. After all it wouldn't be Hope Valley if they didn't!

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Time will tell!

[@LaHistoire]

The music at the end is actually the same music as in the scene at the end of season 7 when Elizabeth goes to hug Nathan! :O What does that mean?

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Welp! Just reading your comment now! A lot of people have been saying this on Instagram. Check out my newest video called "Nathan & ELizabeth are Endgame" - there's even more scenes with that music! Great ear!

[@rosebud71wilcox61]

I think it is a toss-uo, she is upset because he held back this truth for so long, so she feels betrayed and also this is the man that was supposed to be killed in the avalanche, not Jack.

[@thelittlescenes1185]

We really can’t say. It’s just that nature is unpredictable, and now Elizabeth has to face that she can’t put it on Nathan

[@orsetta7219]

@@thelittlescenes1185 I apologize but I have already found some comments in my name that are not mine. This for example. I haven't changed my mind I have been team Nathan for a long time. I have no photos on my logo. Thank you.

[@thelittlescenes1185]

@@orsetta7219 oh???

[@kc5527]

There’s that music again ❤️

[@suzannesteele1275]

C-she is shocked! And so am I! 🙀

[@janiemiller4281]

Needs to choose Nathan....please

[@adamclaus5776]

I don't think it can said that Elizabeth has fallen for Nathan at all. She has never given him the time of day that she gave Lucas.

[@thelittlescenes1185]

I think she has in the beginning, but seeing as she skipped their date and didn’t let him court her...of course she’s not spent the same time with him as with L

[@stefanybraziloficial4686]

Queria saber qual o nome da trilha de fundo da parte que o Natan conta a verdade para a Elizabeth 🥹🎶

[@horaciocarro452]

Aquí Elizabeth interpela a Nathan muy malamente,ella para mí debió hacerlo en otro sitio.Ya dije en otra comentario,es de fuerte carácter y a veces no fácil de encarar.Ella deberá disculparse de esto.El no es culpable de este accidente FC.

[@horaciocarro452]

Lo siento por Nathan,el es hombre,que ella no sabe valorar.espero que recapacite.

[@deannastanley5533]

He also lied to her when she asked him point blank "did you know Jack?" And he said "no." I lost a bit of respect for him. However, he could have really not "met" Jack in person, but it was kinda a lie by omission. That is why I said "a bit" vs total.

[@wendystroud7910]

When he met Elizabeth he said "by all accounts Jack was an excellent mountie" meaning what he knew of Jack came from others. He never met Jack therefore he didn't lie. Her asking him if he knew Jack could have been a good time to clarify that he only knew of him and tell her the rest but obviously as he stated he wanted to tell her but it was never the right time he didn't feel this was the right time.....it has to be a hard thing to tell someone especially if you have come to care for them. I believe he came to Hope Valley to care for Jack's family he just didn't expect to love them....had to make it even harder to find the right time....I think a little bit of grace could go a long way here if we had to put ourselves in his shoes.😀

[@thelittlescenes1185]

I don’t think it was a lie at all, though I agree with Wendy- that would’ve been the time to clarify. Nathan didn’t know Jack because they were in completely different places, he just heard about his death. The biggest thing here IMO is that he knew how close Elizabeth felt to him but he didn’t have the courage to let her know about his guilt.

[@normasmither202]

Nathan did not lie. He knew of Jack but had not met him personally. There's a difference.

[@deannastanley5533]

@@normasmither202 apparently you did not read the whole comment.

[@alicepahler7610]

@@wendystroud7910 Also, as I recall, the town was a bit cool to him...Elizabeth mustered up her courage to be the first to welcome him to HV so the rest would follow. That had to be hard on Nathan. I'm with you in giving him a little bit of grace.

[@susanrussell1256]

What if Nathan gave his own money to Elizabeth when they first met. ?

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Love this!

[@lauriehaggith6297]

He has had over 2 years to tell her!! If they become a couple what will she tell her son when he is older ?

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Why? It's not like Nathan killed Jack. He followed his gut feeling, got disciplined, a different mountie had to go (that mountie chose his job and knew the risks that came with it) and a natural desaster took his life. It could've happened at the Northwestern Territories, it could've happened at a later time- yes, it could've also not happened at all. But it wasn't in Nathan's or Jack's or Elizabeth's hands. And that's exactly what she would tell her son

[@nancygruszeczki8144]

What does he mean it was part of the reason he stayed?

[@a.l.s.9273]

I believe he stayed for Allie but partially stayed for Elizabeth. If you remember after Elizabeth discovers he is leaving with the promotion she visits him in his office and very tearfully ask him " what about the friends Allie has made?...the friends you have made?" Next thing we know Nathan wires headquarters and turns down the promotion!

[@pushparaj1530]

Love you Nathan you deserve more... Even though Elizabeth is pushing away you are too good to her... So plz delete Elizabeth from you and Allie... Elizabeth deserve Lucas because he is the good person with no secrets she thinks..plz Nathan be happy you have Allie and you will find some one whose is good wife for you and good mother for Allie..love you Nathan

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Nathan’s just not willing to give up without a try

[@alicepahler7610]

@@thelittlescenes1185 Wasn't that Jack's philosophy? You fight for love because it is worth it? Or do I remember it incorrectly?

[@thelittlescenes1185]

@@alicepahler7610 I don’t remember it at all. Can’t answer. Anyone else?

[@nancyross3964]

all of the above (that was an easy answer)

[@thelittlescenes1185]

Lol! I agree that it was that in the first moment. I believe after the first processing it will be just reason 2

[@louzanemarques7331]

Sem o Jack vai com o Nathan mesmo

[@Mrsgallie63]

NEITAN e ELIZABETH

[@isabellitowski6234]

How about all three maybe

[@thelittlescenes1185]

What do you mean?

[@isabellitowski6234]

@@thelittlescenes1185 I feel like she is mad rn at Nathan for all three reasons. And I just wish that she would open her eyes and see that Nathan is jack in another mans body. Literally they are a perfect match

[@thelittlescenes1185]

@@isabellitowski6234 😂oh! Silly me, I ask a question and then forget about it. Yes, I thought a few people would say that! I think at first it’s definitely gonna be all three..and then after some time reason a) will fall away because he’s really not at fault

[@isabellitowski6234]

@@thelittlescenes1185 yeah it just takes a bit of time for everything he said to soak in.

[@katelynthornburg5704]

Yeah I think all three. Although I think after some time to think she'll realize it's not Nathan's fault. But in the moment, I'm sure it would feel like it. Nathan should have told her, but at the same time, there hasn't really been a good time. So I think after she cools off and takes some time to think, she'll realize Nathan doesn't have any blame in the situation.

[@nayalifigueredo4254]

C!