We All Play Mass Land Destruction! | Commander Clash S15 E25

[@hero_kage]

Gotta give a like for Tomer mentioning Cardmarket. Those crossovers between Cardmarket and MTGGoldfish are some of the funniest MTG videos I have seen. Seth playing Shandalar was hilarious and Tomer and Phil vibed really well with the Cardmarket Crew. Same with Crim when he visited the last time. Keep up the good work you all.

[@VRanger100]

And thus marks the shift of Fog Meta to MLD Meta. Many historians credit the Codfather Richard towards this trend in popularity since his playgroup started complaining about "long" games, but alas that is still up for speculation.

[@brettjohnson4321]

I honestly wish wizards would print more land destruction. Lands are powerful with a huge variety. They need either just get rid of mana or start making cards that deal with it. If it was about not allowing people to play magic then why do they print a board wipe and counter spell every set?

[@Lucarioguild7]

Richard loves low mana creature with etbs so he definitely gains the most from the shift

[@donb7519]

​@@brettjohnson4321because counters and board wipes dont reset the games as much as ld does. They either only say no to one spell or to one type of permanent normally. And its way easier to recover from both thats just a bad comparison

[@caseyfurey1348]

44:00 “Always have a backup plan” while Richard has 13 axes and one 1/1 axe on board has my dying lmao

[@Awesomesausages]

It made me so happy that at least Crim noticed Sand Dad has Desertwalk :3 It's so rarely useful, but it does exist! I swear it's real!

[@iNCoMpeTeNtplAyS]

Sand dad can harmless offering a desert if needed but I don't see that done very much

[@ruudvanlaarhoven5776]

I like how Crim stays engaged in the game after he's been knocked out

[@samsprague3158]

Yes, he at least makes it seem like he’s having fun.

[@atle853]

Crim has the best sportsmanship, he's just there to hang out

[@AgonalRhythm]

Amazing turn of events in the first 26 minutes 😂 Also, Richard just playing his usual Rograkh deck and Tomer just playing enchantress this week is very funny. I am all here for enchantress decks being mocked for all playing exactly the same every time

[@MrGrovak]

I love these kinds of episodes. The expected weird long game with niche bad feelings type cards and they end up being just really cool games.

[@cameton_youtube]

I like to think of these as alternate metagame weeks, and I'm a big fan! It's fun to see how the game plays when X is very common

[@dwchief]

1:14:31 was absolutely amazing - I burst out laughing when Seth (probably better known as Saffron Olive) nearly called it

[@ezrabartsch1505]

I’ve been aware of Commander Clash for years now but haven’t dipped in because of the MTGO format. But dang, y’all have more fun than any other EDH show I’ve seen. Thanks for making content!

[@Queuexdodge]

MLD is the best way to help all of your friends have fun playing commander.

[@hanschristopherson8056]

I like how the land destruction week is an hour and a half 😂

[@JoshRudis]

I do enjoy the various themes you end up doing. The one I liked seeing the most from the past was random card week.

[@biggymiggy6408]

These mld and stax games always end up being really interesting games

[@freemancarter7104]

Seth's Turn 7 is about as close to "magical christmas land" scenarios as we may ever see in a commander game

[@joeskyring9885]

Love everything mtggoldfish dose ❤❤ Keep up the great work guys Appreciate you all

[@light-chemistry]

Tomer getting roasted every episode for not playing that week’s theme, or playing Kiki Jiki, or enchantress, will never not be funny, especially when Richard half the time doesn’t play the theme either 😅… Poor guy 😅

[@ben_clifford]

1:20:24 The Terravore would survive either way. Damage isn't checked for lethality until SBAs are checked.

[@ryuga8616]

I think sett punted by saccing the other desert for exile. If he just recurred the creature making one he'd have blockers for days and would probably win

[@Nightsorrow1]

Exacly, its was two 1/1 warriors and a 2/2 zombie every turn.

[@dizzlebloom120]

Great week, would love to see an everyone plays combo, or even one step further and everyone plays thoracle. I have a really fun dimir jank combo deck

[@Zetimenvec]

I have always been interested in an anti-theme deck, kind of like Richard's Green spellmage control deck. Artifact Creatures where there is no supporting non-creature artifacts and no non-artifact creatures. Aura's but only non-creature enchanting auras. Lifegain, but with no creatures. Go wide blue, etc. Taking an archetype and stripping away what makes it broken.

[@illyannalavynne2033]

Honest question: @1:08:30 Is there a reason why Seth keeps choosing to make one of his trolls unblockable and not his Commander? I see that the trolls have a bit more strength but after establishing that Tomer can minigate the damage through life gain, I would think the Commander damage would be a better out/ clock.

[@MTGGoldfish]

I wasn't thinking that the commander damage kill was realistic, but maybe it was. I was just trying to get in as much damage as possible.

[@illyannalavynne2033]

@@MTGGoldfish Ahh okay, appreciate the clarification. After the match I was intrigued by the desert walk ability and wondered if there were cheeky ways to "gift" opponents deserts but after digging abit it seem that it's mostly a flavor ability and not very viable as an alternative win condition.

[@alexandrelima2766]

1:05:00 Seth you should have cracked the scavenger grounds to prevent klothys from triggering that would have saved you at least 10 damage

[@ezrabartsch1505]

Right? And I’m pretty sure Crim mentioned it at one point. Am I missing something??

[@taylorarnold880]

Thank goodness for Seth and the MLD spells. He prevented Tomer from his usual bumbling punt-stravaganza.

[@mikeyjesse9376]

I just wish that I could have seen more of the decks in play really hope you guys do this again

[@Excellfreedom]

Very dissatisfying seeing two decks effectively ignore the meta and just try and faceroll. Would love to see this concept revisited with an actual plan for having your lands blasted

[@patches.742]

Yea I’d love for them to do an MLD episode in paper, trying to build and MLD deck and picked klothys as the commander and happy to see someone else thought similarly (sadly tomer just played enchantress)

[@ArmageddonAsh]

I like how "Mass land Destruction" week turned out to be barely Mass land Destruction - Enchantress and Rog/Ardenn Lol

[@MinoGozzo]

That was a great, seeing everyone playing mass LD. I was surprised to see Ruination on Crim's 3-color deck, I would expect the 2-color ones that could play more basics to do it. There is another possible card to use with a high number of basics win From the ashes. Too bad there was no blue mana to play sunder or acid rain with Yavimaya in this episode. Now we need a follow up in which one of you play Zo-zu

[@prinzessin9248]

I really like the new deckintro style but I also really miss the epic opening music... is there any chance you bring that back next season?

[@T_Peazy]

This was awesome. I liked it a lot. MLD is fine when there's a plan for it.

[@WarpsmithAdam]

My original EDH playgroup had a couple of decks kicking around playing Cataclysm & some MLD. I was a little confused at first because I'd seen the online discourse about MLD being toxic, but it rarely seemed like an issue. In actual play, it was just another wincon. I think part of it was that we were mostly primarily Modern players & so we didn't have some of the same hyper-casual hangups that people online often have. We were expecting people to actually try to win the game, and to play the disruption to prevent other people in the pod from winning.

[@T_Peazy]

@WarpsmithAdam I think the problem with MLD in commander is mostly that the optimal way to play it is to punish the player who got really far ahead. But it often just ends up really hurting the people who may have fallen a bit behind. Like if it's turn 6 and one player has ramped out into like 10 lands, and you're in second place with like 8 lands and you Armageddon well anyone who has been missing land drops probably has a worse board state and now has no mana to catch up (it's even worse if you cataclysm). So the game for them seems like a slog fest where they don't get to play magic.

[@WarpsmithAdam]

@@T_Peazy oh yeah, absolutely can it lead to miserable games, but usually in a situation like that, the game was slowed down by a few turns, but those turns went faster, so it evened out. If it was clear that someone was so far ahead that no one else really stood a chance, it is fine to just rewrack. If it was every game, it would have been a problem, but it wasn't. It was a couple of times a month kind of thing.

[@donb7519]

​@WarpsmithAdam the real issue people have with mld and stax is 2 fold. Part 1 is simply a lot of people who play it have no real wincon besides make people scoop which sucks and part 2 is just like having too many boardwipes it makes games go way longer than most people want

[@ericgodat3516]

I feel like Kiki Combo week (no Kiki commander) would be funny

[@bounds8622]

The thumbnail is absolutely perfect😂😂😂

[@RPGFanboy14]

I think the reason Salt week and MLD week feel like good games compared to what you would expect is because everyone is building their decks to be that way. So its not like theres one MLD deck in a pod of regular decks that arnt built to handle their lands being blown up which is where the salt comes from. Very fun game, it was hilarious how quickly everything snowballed out of control.

[@TMidander]

FINALLY MISERY IS ACTUALLY BACK ON THE MENU :D Thank you Crim, I can only imagine this is your divine work.

[@damnjekyll]

30 min in and this comment did not age well. 😅

[@TMidander]

IDK :) since Ls were D'd, I think it still qualifies.@@damnjekyll

[@damnjekyll]

@@TMidander Crim brought ZERO misery this week. 🥱 Period 😂😂

[@TMidander]

Karn tGC is literally #101 on the salt list, and he used it to blow up a land. Are you sure its not that you just don't like him?@@damnjekyll

[@acornman17]

If there ever was a pod for the card "Mudhole", it's this one!

[@ben_clifford]

26:18 An equipment that's also a creature can't be attached to another creature. The same is true for auras. That's because the rules don't let creatures be attached to anything.

[@MenaceLendil]

I think tomers deck was an interesting, just not really fitting the pod because of the high mana curve but the idea of "leave just enchantments" is pretty cool. If the other decks weren't all MLD it would probly be able to do that gameplan.

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

My curve was too high yeah. Although I also misplayed by not dropping down Klothys first, it might have let me deploy my mana generators quicker.

[@MentalCrusader]

I'm relatively new to magic and don't know if it would be an interesting theme, but you could try one-shotting, where you have to kill a player with only one creature/combat

[@RunninOnYT]

That Virtue of Courage in exile the whole game.

[@xTobsecretx]

YEEEESSSS KLOTHYS!!! That’s the first deck I ever built - I better update it, it has gotten so many new tools since its first printing.

[@shadowfox513]

creatures can't be equipped to other creatures. My friend used to play a sydri deck, and one of his favorite plays was turning people's swiftfoot boots or lightning greaves into creatures so they would fall off. Reconfigure sorta changed how those specific equipment work (they lose the creature type when they are reconfigured) but I think you could still make the same play Karn play with those.

[@thevaultwalrus]

i remember when i first opened a stone rain back in the day and i knew that i love Land destruction

[@stormycat0905]

It's nice to see the crew taking things seriously for once.

[@Graatand]

My prayers have been answered!

[@atle853]

Theme: 4 identical Captain Sisay decks.

[@AndreborgeZ]

For me the 1st Place goes to Crim with his deck construction. He understood the assignment. Then Seth who also understood the assignment. Later comes Richard with his low curve deck, it was a cool idea and in the end Tomer :(

[@JoshRudis]

On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" We have become death, destroyers of worlds. Will Seth show us what lies beneath the sands or will Tomer show us what's beneath the ice? Tune-in to find out!

[@Nightsorrow1]

Seth punted when he sacked the other recurring desert.

[@mark1A100]

great episode. any chance we are going to get an ixalan set CC. i know without the commander deck cards the options are way more limited and its not like it needs to be tribal or anything

[@mark1A100]

i would be very interested in a mono colored gods episodes where all mono colored colored gods should be in the deck maybe.

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

Next week!

[@mark1A100]

another idea that i would love to see is a mono legendary deck where every creature in the deck needs to be legendary

[@timc0212]

This is a good episode, just going all out on the MLD

[@discocombo]

Next time everyone brings group hug! xD

[@ajaxender12]

Partly it's that you guys are good players and can think beyond your game plan getting disrupted, instead of just not wanting to play any more. And partly, yeah, it's that you're all doing it by agreement and you've built decks to both do the salty things, and try to mitigate it to some degree. But, interaction in all it's forms explicitly exists to un-clog board states; either giving someone a distinct advantage, or allowing someone to hang on long enough to build their own distinct advantage. It tends towards decision making, particularly in Commander where there's three times as many threat sources, and that's more interesting.

[@Ricardo-zo1ti]

This one was a blast

[@tianruixiao9239]

Tomer needs to be DQ'ed for not reading the assignment this week XD

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

I've got 7 MLD in the deck which is same as the others, just luck of the draw that I only saw them at the end of the game.

[@tianruixiao9239]

@@MTGGoldfishCommander I'm just teasing you Tomer, although if you played the blood moon that might've gotten you a vote from Seth!

[@Telomerase9]

Mass land destruction week and still no one expects it when the fiest land destruction is played XD

[@stephenhousman6975]

After all these years of playing magic and all of you didn't know that equipment that is turned into a creature can't be equipped? I guess it is more of a modern/legacy thing with karn turning kaldra complete into a creature to kill the token. As for the ruling question at 30:35 the equipment stays a creature until it would have been Crim's next turn. In other words, Richard's next turn.

[@robertfrizzell1970]

desert walk is wild lol

[@TheDylls]

Is this an old rule, or maybe it was never a rule... But I thought that if an effect caused you to add mana to your pool that wasn't in your commander's colour identity, it became colourless?

[@BurgerSmother]

Untrue. Cards like Chromatic Lantern are played in a deck like Sen Triples explicitly for the reason that they can make mana of non esper colors to cast non esper cards from other people.

[@provocative1122]

It did used to be a thing, but the rule was changed with the release of the devoid mechanic

[@wedgearyxsaber]

That was like more than 7 or 8+ years ago when it was changed.

[@TheDylls]

@@provocative1122 Cool, thanks!

[@TheDylls]

@@wedgearyxsaber Thank you

[@DotDeck]

"Christmas came early! Hope everyone had a great Turkey day

[@piralos1329]

Honestly this has kinda sold me on MLD ultimately being a force for good in commander? So long as you play it with a plan!! That said, I think arguably the best MLD commander is Will, Scion of Peace - He provides a HUGE discount on all of your spells, depending on how much life you've gained! All you gotta do is establish a few cheap lifelink creatures, get Will out, and start dropping stuff like Baneslayer Angels, or Lyra! And you can even do it on the same turn you Armageddon, because geddon is 1 mana!!! Nothing quite like blowing up all the lands whilst you have a 2 mana Hullbreacher in play >:)

[@whaleofdarkness]

You didn't invite Vince for this? Or the professor to ruin his chance of ever coming back again?

[@Grunge1791]

A friend had an old tournament deck that worked well in multiplayer. Devastating Dreams + Terravore ... Deck designed to Draw instead of play.

[@Yourbeautiful666]

The fact that Richard just brought a regular Arden/Rog deck with an Armageddon thrown in is actually pretty lame tbh

[@dariengoheen747]

Love seeing Klothys

[@WikiED]

54:44 that was 100% a mistake, should've targeted either zombie or behemoth for max dmg. Maybe even commander since Richard could sac his desert.

[@BloodMoonGo]

I'm seriously considerong building Tomer's list. Any suggested changes?

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

Well assuming your playgroup is okay with MLD I think probably cut 1 or 2 of the weakest MLD, you don't need 8 in the deck, I did that just for the sake of the theme. Probably Decree of Annihilation and Impending Disaster are the weakest. Anything over like 5MV really needs to justify being there since post-MLD you won't have that much mana, so maybe more cuts on the top end.

[@DannyWatchUtena]

I think tomer has a rep for not admitting when he's in a good spot. But I think as this game shows he's just never confident in his position.

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

Well I do lose a lot lol. Honestly though I think I got lucky that Seth ended up drawing all lands.

[@atle853]

@@MTGGoldfishCommander You're the victim of crackback, you force the wrath meta with how much you pop off without killing people, your board state is always scary but seldom lethal.

[@brianr8780]

Fav deck building themes

[@Nekoboy728]

Mycosynth Lattice + Bane of Progress or Vandalblast. GG

[@ericfletcher7046]

I think we need a vampire mld deck from Tomer now.

[@michaelcollins4534]

Seth should've been cracking his scavenger grounds on tomer's graveyard and replaying it to make chump blockers

[@trollmore]

It exiles itself because it's already in the graveyard when the ability resolves. This would work with Cradle of the Accursed tho.

[@michaelcollins4534]

@trollmore oh that is correct, for some reason I was thinking this was a single target card.

[@Atanar89]

48:20 Seth doesn't even know what his commander does and skips a free attack. To be fair, in 99% of games, "desertwalk" might as well be flavor text.

[@MTGGoldfish]

I didn't expect anyone to have a desert!

[@TheGrifcannon22]

Would Sunder into Windfall count as MLD?

[@ms.sysbit5511]

Tomer’s deck was super on theme. I dunno what folks are talking about. His theme makes perfect sense using Jokilhaups’ style wording. Why are folks salty?

[@JacobBos1988]

Weird to not see Numot or Taniwha here :o

[@iremiagaming]

We're getting close to 100k!

[@ODIRGO]

I guess this was another clickbait tittle after all. Not everyone played LD and even worst, this was just an oportunity for Tomer and Richard to metagame instead of sticking to the topic.

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

My deck had 7 MLD cards and a Blood Moon, same numbers as others. It's just RNG that I didn't see them until late in the game -- and some I didn't have the mana to cast because of, obviously, MLD. Also everyone metagamed. Why do you think 2 people brought commanders that recur lands?

[@gzzuss]

Richard: you all meta gaming this week? Also Richard brings aggro deck low curve 😅

[@seanedgar164]

Yeah I didn't really like it :/ playing against meta doesn't feel thematic or in good spirit

[@gzzuss]

​​@@seanedgar164I don't really care what they play, I only watch for the banter 😅, it's just pointing the irony.

[@jfrizzell6645]

Seth, the flickering of the cards when your the viewpoint - driving my eyes buggy and giving me a headache. My wife walks in and asks why I have half the monitor blocked out - please stop the flickering when your the viewpoint!

[@Red_Mag3]

I feel like Crim needs to embrace the Pillowfort meta or risk getting taken out early every game in this pod.

[@mark1A100]

so we will finally see if mld is how to keep green down

[@RumpledNutskin]

We need more of these episodes where there isn't an "ethical" ban list. I wanna see people just playing to win, but in a casual setting

[@raymondgreen9379]

@saffronolive it doesn't matter with the terravore, even if the damage happened first SBE's wouldn't be checked until the lands were destroyed so the terravore would be huge

[@9-b_b-9]

maybe you should make like a minimum requirement in deck so amount of cards that fit the theme.

[@TapTwoCounterspell]

Commander in mtgo, welcome to 2014

[@joshmartinez4175]

Clash on!!!

[@JanBeetz-e8g]

@goldfishcrew it makes me sad that you don't appriciate the "clash on" phrase. It's part of the the Brand at this point and i think it would strengthen it even more if you would embrace it instead of being kinda ashamed by it.

[@WiLDRAGE777]

So far the fiverr episode and this Mass LD have been the ones with games not lasting forever. If this isn't proof that you guys normally run too many board wipes, I don't know what is!

[@pokedadsam9041]

40:12 jaheira turns the axes into mana. :)

[@uandubh5087]

I love Klothys, she's great!

[@DieJG]

I love the subtle idea of Richard just playing a kind of a normal Rograkh deck with some more MLD cards. It is awesome and correct at the same time.

[@Princeofseance]

90 minute run time. MLD works

[@seanedgar164]

All I saw was richard not playing to theme and stomping people out. Didn't look at all balanced

[@warrenr4048]

I have no issue with mass land destruction because it’s the only balance to all the land ramp decks out there. Every archetype has another archetype that is it’s balance. But because everyone hates land destruction that makes land ramp decks overpowered and way too common.

[@jdh100000]

I enjoy these wacky themes but also like seeing normal games. There wre so many legendaries and so many sets being pumped out im sure your guys have missed playing with a bunch of cool ones. As cool as MLD week is, im never going to build one of these to play against my pod so I'd rather see something I might actually build instead of meme decks.

[@oafkad]

Aw yeah. This is my kinda episode!

[@rsphii]

fog this you filthy casuals! *casts armageddon*

[@Dragiceoriginal]

I feel like Richard super metagamed this week? Bringing an aggro deck might be good with no lands, but it’s not really a MLD deck as a result…

[@lelandgill3631]

Only Tomar can get salty about Land Destruction on Mass Land Destruction week

[@coolcat6099]

This game kinda went exactly how I imagined it would when we normalize mld which is the ramp deck isn’t hurt they just put out a bunch of stuff and then wipe the lands to leave everyone in the dust. Hot take mld makes green better

[@jfrizzell6645]

My Richard is correct - giving a trample creature unblockable is less effective - but the DesertWalk - awesome!