We BANNED Sol Ring! - Commander Gameplay Ep 30

[@DeckedOutEDH]

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[@LordKaiju_2]

I used your link but a different code (it was for a greater discount) I hope it gave you guys credit, but it didn't make sense financially to use your code, sorry

[@michaelsinnreich6626]

Melissa is what happens when you take a champion player add design experience, and a puckish sense of creativity.

[@starmanda88]

I’ve been obsessed with Melissa since her appearance many years ago on game knights. So excited to see what she does during this game!

[@ingolf82]

I know right? That Karametra deck was so unusual and fun.

[@mightyone3737]

Did you check out Good Morning Magic here on KZbin? It had a segment for awhile where Gavin and Melissa would review Commander Precons, the vids aren't short, but they offer incredible insights sometimes, worth a look if you like Melissa DeTora content!

[@jean-baptistedelabroise5391]

same lol she is responsible for my longest lasting edh deck, my enchantment deck that is now run by sythis but started as karametra because of game knights 6

[@ImGamerDad]

Love the new credits and outtakes! Short, but still a great fun game. Also love the new Enchanting Tales cards being used. As Joe would say, the art in that set is "Chef's Kiss!"

[@gfxmrsaltman]

10:15 I believe NerdGirl forgot the Pearl Medallion was in play on her side, so she would have saved two Treasures ;-) but the setup was crazy nevertheless

[@ingolf82]

I love Melissa Detora. I still can't get over the fact that she played an Enchantment version of Karametra, God of Harvests and won the game. that commander is very creature focused.

[@HarrisonChuuu0]

17:29 I believe there was a missed trigger of the artifact coming in and the conquistador making two vampires since it didn't come in tapped, correct?

[@jamesmoore1476]

You are correct. They would have both died to the board wipe draining everyone for another 2 but doesn't change the outcome of the game.

[@HarrisonChuuu0]

@@jamesmoore1476 yup! It was a non-issue based on how that game turned out 😅

[@jamesmoore1476]

@@HarrisonChuuu0 I saw it happening and was like *gasp* Melissa, no! Then saw it didn't matter and calmed down, haha.

[@stevescrub1294]

What a spectacular cast this episode. Was a delight to watch! Definitely enjoying the credit style btw!

[@MstrKipper]

Found this channel looking for some Missy gameplay so now Im excited to watch more videos

[@a.artmaster8733]

Another amazingly produced video! Not to mention a very cool game with great guests, it's no wonder i couldn't help but subscribe. Thanks for everything.

[@DeckedOutEDH]

We are so glad you enjoyed it!! 🥰

[@nycstreetpoet]

I clicked on this for Melissa. She’s a fantastic player, as is to be expected.

[@RunninOnYT]

I got this kind of win yesterday with The Cyber-Controller. Managed to draw a lot of cards through Decree of pain, played forsaken monument while I had Bassalt Monolith out and managed to draw enough artifacts that produces coloured mana to replay The Cyber-Controller. I milled everyone out. I don't remember how many turns in, 6-7 perhaps, but it was late and a 5 player game, I had to go shortly after.

[@wnightshade]

Great episode, and I loved the new credits. They look sweet!

[@Sp00nz4hire]

Why is she paying full cost for white spells with a pearl medallion on field?

[@DA-bn9ny]

Lol

[@jarid89]

maybe bcs of the sacrifice triggers?

[@crawdaddy2004]

15:19 One time (at band camp) I played an Incubation Druid, but my only colored mana sources were non-land permanents, so it couldn’t tap for mana. 😂

[@rednite__8427]

That into the am ad had me cackling such good work

[@nerdlabmtg]

what kind of camera are you using for the overhead shot? It is super clear.

[@DeckedOutEDH]

It's a Sony a7rv

[@nerdlabmtg]

@@DeckedOutEDH That would explain it, that's a great Camera. As always great job on the edits, shots and sound.

[@VeggieWagon]

Wow, new credits look great Veggie

[@maxbodifee3263]

😄

[@kouga8289]

i find it hilarious that Nerdgirl knows "Oh My Darling" but doesn't know what a dick butt is lmao

[@DeckedOutEDH]

HAHAHAHA IM OLD! What do you want from me?!?!

[@aaronbrandon6729]

Nice stream callback!

[@avatarofpapermagic]

I have a few commander decks with no sol ring. So loved this episode!

[@maxbodifee3263]

We tend to ban fast mana as well in our group. When we don't it often ends up in a game of archenemy

[@Beckola44]

Wow..... that was a quick game. Congrats Melissa, well played. Thank you for the video Nerd Girl, Melissa, Joe Cherries, Airball, and Veggie Wagon.

[@Herobizkit597]

Where does one shop for those oversized wall-mounted Magic cards?

[@DeckedOutEDH]

The are prizes from large Magic events like Command Fest or cons. Nerdgirl has won a few of them!

[@zeroisnine]

Seeing Melissa struggle shuffling her commander deck felt so real

[@midwesternviking_ttv2986]

Wow Missy popping off like that, I had no idea that was possible

[@Jjdude101]

YAY MELISSA! Was wondering when you’d have her on!

[@jamesstorey1578]

"Veggie was here" I was reading :)

[@TheRhysticStudy]

Very fun episode, thanks!

[@jaimeribeiro7096]

I bet you are planing to have the professor go play with u. He, vegie and ZBexx have that same crazy child vibe when playing. I like that.

[@Sorathil]

Those new credits are really nice!

[@DerrylHopkins]

As a Hermitcraft fan and a Magic: The Gathering fan, I keep waiting for a ravager or a warden to pop up in this show...

[@marcelbehncke900]

Yeah Master Airball is on the table 😄👍🏾

[@zawsze_juanfer]

Maybe the mana rocks with mana cost 1 or less need to be banned, because whath happen with Mane vault or moxes ??

[@javs231]

Last time I played Missy, I played delete for x=4 and got 10 cybermen :D

[@kongvue8940]

How does Melissa pay for smothering tithe with thran dynamo during the draw step and keep her "floating" mana to cast things during the main phase?

[@Lmo777]

If you're talking about 10:50, Melissa payed for the Smothering Tithe by activating the Thran Dynamo and then activated the Morph cost of the creature by using the 1 floating mana from the Thran Dynamo and tapping two additional lands. See rule 702.37 for more morph mayhem!

[@mattiasbystedt1332]

Cool to see Melissa DeTora she's the first pro I have seen on any commander show. (not counting Kibler, of course) joking ;D haha

[@mtggodzilla7308]

Melissa as a guest? I dont need see this episode. Take my like. 😃. Melissa its a great Mtg player. I really like her decks and she have a great attitude. Terrific.

[@gabzsy4924]

Joe Cherries is a real entretainer, I feel he raised the quality of the video and the vibe overall.

[@thumbwrestler12]

This was a interesting game to see

[@anthonygilmore5424]

I read these and the new comments were very nice, also veggie waz there.

[@maxbodifee3263]

Well done my fav channel 🤗

[@BuddyJackstraw]

"I wish i could have seen more of the other decks." Plays deck with an infinite ping.

[@michaelsinnreich6626]

The credits are so nice.

[@DeckedOutEDH]

Thank you! We are really happy with them.

[@brandoncreek5709]

I've built so many decks just to realize that Joe has so many of the same decks, we share a brain lol

[@matteobagni1235]

Good one, sol ring is useless. That said an extra ramp spell or rock will fix the hole

[@manwithnoname9580]

At around the 17:30 mark, I believe nerdgirl should have generated a token that would have also created more triggers for damage and health gain, I believe everyone should have taken 6?

[@MstrKipper]

Love me some CatsNCantrips tokens : )

[@nzephier]

So i have an elf deck, and for the longest time it didnt have sol ring. It ran fine without it, but i shoved it in cause i was lazy and like the little extra mana, but if i didnt have it, the deck would've been fine lol

[@Dragon_Fyre]

I was watching this with closed captioning on and it needs work. I’m rather certain that at 18:14 Melissa did not tap her City of Breasts… 😂

[@DeckedOutEDH]

Haha. We don't make those. It's a youtube feature. Funny though.

[@Dragon_Fyre]

@@DeckedOutEDH Sister city to the silver bordered City of Ass. Taps for the other 1 and a 1/2 mana. I’m not sure how the CC feature is provided but whenever you are watching something that requires some knowledge on the subject, it’s like music lyrics that people frequently get wrong; They just throw out their best guess for what they think they heard, often with hilarious results.

[@fmar528]

bans Sol ring* Proceeds to play mana vault mana crypt lotus petal grim monolith

[@SuperFacePlace]

I know this is an old video. . .but why is Nerdgirl paying full cost for her white spells? Did she forget she had a discount card on the table?

[@kingweb11]

"To when the rocks were soft"

[@dullestpenguin4151]

Three opponents and not one piece of removal.

[@crawdaddy2004]

6:46 I’m now curious if anyone has paid the two mana for Smothering Tithe more than three times in their entire life.

[@danielsniff6405]

Lets go, Joe Cherries represent!

[@thriftypsgr]

LETS GO!!!!!

[@AirballMTG]

MOLEY MOLEY MOLEY MOLEY

[@iatebambismom]

Any show with Melissa is great. This whole cast is cool. Got my coffee, let's go!

[@dangusmedia]

> Bans Sol Sing > Game is less than 30 minutes Whelp

[@stratuvarious8547]

Until recently, I wasn't running Sol Ring in my Atraxa Superfriends deck.

[@Zarbon000]

Melissa is a nice person. I’m glad she designs Magic cards. But her decks just steamroll over everyone. She can’t stop with building Powerful Unfun decks. I’ve seen her on two other episodes do the same thing. You are not on the pro tour anymore……. Kinda ruined the episode. What did the other decks do? I don’t know, they got steamrolled too fast.

[@DeckedOutEDH]

For this episode all decks were built by veggie. And her deck was one of the weakest overall. That is why he put ONE combo in it to help balance the odds. He didn't think it would come up lol. Melissa mostly plays our decks or precons on the show.

[@jamesramey4050]

No sol rings didn’t seem to hurt too much. No reason to ban it either. Every new commander deck comes with one, every new player has access to it and still limited to one per deck. The price is also low so no one is costed out.

[@jamesmoore1476]

All true but Commander Clash chose to ban it because it had such a large effect of games. Get the sol ring and go off or do nothing. They found that banning it made for more balanced starts which is more fun to watch, imo.

[@luketfer]

Agreed, now it's in almost every modern Commander Precon, along with Arcane signet, all banning Sol Ring does is instead have people proxy/buy Mana Crypt, unless you also ban that, in which case you end up having to ban ALL fast Mana like Ancient Tomb, Grim Monolith/Basalt Monolith (which if you're running then you're probably running Unwinding clock to get them to untap every upkeep without paying), Arcane Signet (another one featured in almost all modern commander precons). All it does is just push people to play the expensive fast mana and leads into a spiral of bannings.

[@zsorens4570]

The fact it is limited to one per deck is actually worse imo since it creates a scenario where if you open the card it is an immediate huge advantage, its also too generically good so literally every deck can run it.

[@zsorens4570]

@@luketfer people would not proxy/buy mana crypt to compensate for Sol Ring bans, people that would proxy/buy mana crypt already proxy/bought mana crypt. The monoliths have heavy downsides and require combo pieces that you have to get in order to be effective where as sol ring while not as abusive once things get going just gets you off the ground immediately with basically no downside, these are not the same thing.

[@kiddbrm]

Is see my girl Thalisse I automatically press like!!

[@tcgmetaslayer4202]

💪🏻😎✌🏻

[@Mihomiti]

Quick enough game that you can do another one quickly then.

[@Honeyguts88]

Hey everyone, Melissa is so bad at shuffling giant decks!

[@87Jake77]

GG

[@matthewjanack1124]

I banned sol ring in my playgroup, it made games way better

[@davidokeefe7365]

Bans sol ring. Someone plays smothering tithe. Sol ring isn't the problem

[@tsuruchibranwen8579]

If anyone can sell me on morph as a mechanic it is Melissa. I need some chamomile tea first, but I'll give her a chance.

[@tsuruchibranwen8579]

... well, this game surely didn't help my dislike of morph XD

[@ally1234302]

I don't use sol ring in my jinnie fae cat deck

[@anderslundtoft2315]

Infinity loops are so boring to watch...

[@brandoncreek5709]

Melissa is a force of cardboard nature.

[@bruinfan05]

Algo

[@blindcommander]

No Sol Ring buy Smothering Tithe... sus...

[@steveallen590]

Sol ring isn’t even that bad the 0 mana rocks are the shitty things

[@canoli62]

I don't get the obsession with Sol Ring. It's not more broken than green ramp, especially when you factor in the taboo of destroying lands. It's not more broken than treasure / Smothering Tithe / Dockside. Still everyone acting likes its some crazy boogey man. Half the people playing on KZbin ban it. Totally goofy.

[@lunarlight3131]

hopefully you played mana crypt to make up for the lack of fast mana. shame.

[@bdawg8877]

Joe cherries is a no from me.

[@starmanda88]

Why?

[@johanandersson8252]

Yo, Melissa

[@ultraherman7727]

My Edgar Markov deck has no sol ring, only mana vault and dockside

[@fiesesalien]

Eh, infinity combos. I still don't like them as they kill off everyone and then what? Start over? Nah... For me personally, if you play infinity combos, you can play them somewhere else :/ This video was not fun for me. Stay crunchy.

[@DeckedOutEDH]

Thank for giving our channel a try!

[@agentorangecb1]

This is a legit question, so please be kind.... In every episode of Command Zone that I've seen, someone draws a sol ring in their opening hand and plays it immediately. Isn't this incredibly improbable, given that an Commander deck has only one of each card? Do they stage the games or play multiple games, then choose the best? EDIT: I asked on their channel but noone replied. I'm not trying to cast aspersions or be nasty, I'm legit curious! I dunno what I'll get in a standard deck, so how do they get turn 1 sol ring and a steady curve on every single game with a 1/100 chance?

[@Wolfie-gj9ch]

I'm not sure how much experience you have in 4 person commander games but games have a turn one sol ring at about the same rate that Command Zone games do. With 4 people drawing 7 cards in a 99 card deck the chances are actually quite decent that at least one person draws a Sol Ring. Not just that too but I've heard that content creators like that often play and film several games and choose which one is the best to post, and they're likely going to choose the games where decks actually do things and Sol Ring just allows you to do things a turn or two early.

[@DeckedOutEDH]

Hello! So I did actually get to play on game knights and nothing was faked. -ng

[@karndrogo]

I doubt Command Zone stage the games, cause if that's the case then Jimmy shouldn't have been mana screwed as often as we seen him, it doesn't make for great content when one of the three players is extremely behind. Toralf from Cardmarket is known to have sol ring every game so if anything he could've done that but who knows. They might record more than one game but generally that's what you call a reassurance incase any of the recordings goes wrong but I see nothing wrong with that. Also for Command Zone I don't remember them doing it every game, how many episodes did you watch (out of curiosity)? For example the episode Fans strike back didn't have any sol ring in their opening hands. Nor did the episode they did for Theros and many of the other ones I watched.

[@marimi46]

If you do the math, it's about a 47% chance of at least one player having a sol ring on the opening hand. When you factor in mulligans (assuming everyone takes one), the probability increases to 62%

[@agentorangecb1]

Thanks for the answers. I'm obviously completely wrong! I just find that land draw and mana curve can be an issue even in 60 card formats at high level and can't really fathom the odds/curve for commander, where ppl seem to have a killer play at the right time in every game. I guess 4 players and the fast pace means that maybe i don't notice when someone doesn't have a good play, because there's a lot more playing on others' turns and always something else going on in the game

[@jantammuz]

Next time, you should ban Forests! Or maybe just lands altogether, because actually having mana is just so OP, amirite?

[@kunopumpernikkel215]

This just sucked.

[@DeckedOutEDH]

Can we ask what you didn't like about it?

[@jacobsalgado182]

Sol ring should not be ban

[@zsorens4570]

Yes it should be banned, it is too generically good, starting with it early you get so far ahead so fast its ridiculous. Especially if you open with it you get to ramp 2 mana while most other people get absolutely no value out of their first turn or two.

[@jamesramey4050]

Learn how to mulligan better, watch professors video on how. Run more disenchants or artifact removal. Do you think it is more powerful than a crypt, vault or monolith?

[@zsorens4570]

​@@jamesramey4050 Right I'll just mulligan down to 5 cards until I see an artifact removal spell and hit the first person to play a sol ring, meanwhile the other 2 players establish boards and I'm sat here with 2 less cards in my hand and no board.

[@jamesmoore1476]

@@jamesramey4050your take is objectively awful.

[@jamesramey4050]

My opinion may be awful to you, but I’m willing to bet my moxes that you run sol rings in your commander decks.

[@knightstranded3415]

Sol ring banned? garbage

[@AdaWongMistress]

Sol ring should be an official ban, it warps games so much

[@Sovietmass]

I would much rather mana crypt, mana vault and all the other expensive mana rocks be banned before sol ring as they are worse

[@zsorens4570]

@@Sovietmass I don't see why we can't have both, the expensive stuff is sorta held in check in casual formats by people just not running ridiculously expensive bullshit. The big issue with Sol Ring is every one has access to one in their deck and if you open it you get such an accelerated early start and basically no downside since turn 1 most people aren't spending that single lands worth of mana.