We Can't Believe Color Makes THIS Much Difference on Furiosa | Corridor Cast EP

[@corridorcast]

at around 18:22 we start fully comparing Furiosa scenes right up against Fury Road scenes, putting the actual movies side-by-side, without any manipulation from us. The comparison between the color in both films was our basis of this discussion - Christian

[@AncalagonTheBlackMetalHead]

unfortunate you have to post this because so many people would rather rage-comment instead of watching the video and realizing you guys were fair and honest in your comparisons.

[@atch300]

I haven't the Mad Max films but I can say that the difference between those short clips is unbelievable. The grade completely changes the tone and grittiness. Everything feels more lethal and textured.

[@FireJach]

@@AncalagonTheBlackMetalHead still the thumbnail is creating a false image of the shot which looks like a lie to create a shock value. it's a thumbnail, the first contact wit the video

[@AncalagonTheBlackMetalHead]

@@FireJach yet the difference between the two films is very stark in the clips shown on the cast. I don’t think the thumbnail misrepresents the extent of the difference. We can disagree, there are just a lot of comments with uncalled for hatred here. Though I’m not surprised, this is the internet.

[@shitpostingstevebecauseall6279]

@@AncalagonTheBlackMetalHead If the thumbnail doesn't misrepresent the extent of the difference, why didn't they just use the real difference?

[@xbrooksx]

I know the lead colorist. He's a brilliant dude. I also know how difficult the asks were of him and his team on this. You guys should get him on!

[@MightyShakaZulu]

Drop the crew an email and tell them!

[@YatsuRL]

Your friend should deny it. They intentionally made his work worse on the thumbnail to get more clicks.

[@akelindstrom1786]

The color is great. He doesn’t need to explain himself.

[@NicCrimson]

@@YatsuRL That was not the point of the discussion tho.

[@elomaquiabelo]

@@YatsuRL Man the point is the WHY, nothing else. If they used the colors in the first trailer, why not in the film? Would love to hear insides of why this happens and why that decisions are made. Maybe even the colorist didn't wanted to color like that

[@StefanRingelschwandtner]

Would love to see a "Colorists React to Bad & Great Color Grading" episode.

[@wibblywobblymadman]

YES!!😎👍

[@robert-j-s]

Yes, please! And the whole episode is The Matrix 1999 orange DVD vs green Blu-ray vs whateverthefuck they did with UHD.

[@ihatedajews]

I swear to god, if they had put a gritty final grade on the movie like fury road, the reviews would have been WAY better. Its the same with horror movies, if they try and make it look to clean and bright, people go full hater mode because it doesnt fit in with the genre or previous art style.

[@hardwire666too]

People underestimate the impact that color has on imagery so much. It blows my mind, and I don't think it's talked about it enough. I feel like the anti-"we'll fix it in post" idea is having an unintended negative effect on color.

[@jonwide6689]

Andrew Lesnie, when asked where the light in Helms Deep is coming from - "The same place as the music"

[@johndoefpv]

Jordan: "I'm definitely bringing this on VFX artist react the second that we can" 49:38 Marvel: **releases THAT scene's visual effects breakdown literally the next day**

[@immensives147]

Dean always gets emotionally attached with every sequel

[@MrBlaiseable]

I dont need world building in EVERY movie. Loved both movies, but fury road is just a blast from beginning to end, and a great break from all the movies trying to explain everything all the time.

[@jmm8476]

Thanks for this. Jesus. I really don’t get what people want. I’m very tired of “world building.” I’m good. Not every movie has to have some Inter-textually defined space with rules and logic and bureaucracy and on and on. I’m writing this from the future, but I saw Nosferatu twice over Christmas break. Unreal. No world building. You see a place, you are immersed, it hammers you with imagery from start to finish at an exciting pace and the logical cohesion of the place arises from your own visual mapping of related imagery and style, and the characters acting within that space. Overused word, but it’s visceral. And believe it or not, it reminds me a lot of Fury Road. It’s self contained and the characters and action are of this place and this place does not require a rule set to understand. Aren’t we tired of the marvel/Star Wars/ Disney mode of doing things? Can we not yet see that it’s a marketing ploy? Aren’t we smarter than this?

[@forrestfire101]

Great discussion. I think both movies are phenomenal, but I actually prefer the grade of Furiosa compared to Fury Road. Much more naturalistic which helps with emersion. When things are super saturated and stylized it almost feels like the filmmakers are trying to show off or compensate for something. That may not be the intention at all that's just the vibe I get and it's a little more distracting then if things are just presented with more honesty. Totally subjective and both takes have merit just thought I'd throw in my two cents on perhaps why the change was made between films.

[@dominiczepeda7798]

I can see why you think naturalistic is the vibe they were going for. My thought is, everything is so over the top anyway, so why did they need to shy away when it came to the color grade? They established a world in Fury Road in part thanks to the color grade, so the fact that they would then backstep is an odd choice, ya know? It's by the same director, but you could honestly maybe not know that thanks to how different the color grade is.

[@Ianfrogman]

Fury road would be my number one movie to watch again for the fist time. What an experience

[@bearzerger]

What dragged Furiosa down for me compared to Fury Road far more than any visual difference was the sound mix. Furiosa didn't just look too clean, it also sounded too clean. Aside from that one storm, the environment is almost always if not completely silent then only very selectively noisy. When they talk it too often feels like they are on a soundstage. For example there's this one scene where Jack is talking to Furiosa from like 30 meters away in the middle of a desert and it just sounds like he's talking to her over the dinner table. Completely clear, no wind or anything around them, he doesn't even need to raise his voice. Or during the action scenes, I remember when Furiosa was working under the war rig you rarely hear any engine sounds whatsover unless they are used to draw attention to a new vehicle. There's this one scene where you can hear her snip the burning fuse of a piece of dynamite with a set of pliers. Perhaps the intention with choices like these was to lean into the surreal aspect of this story, since it's intended as some kind of myth being told to us. However in a high-octane world like Mad Max with how loud and unstable the war rig must be it just feels fake to me.

[@bokchoiman]

Yeah improper sound mixing really takes me out of a movie. Like, I get suspension of disbelief and all that, but there's rarely any good reason why two characters separated by 30 feet should be able to just talk at normal volume and works. I'm not buying it.

[@bejibx]

I remember before Fury Road I watched some Transformers movie and I thought "I don't really like action movies". And then I still decided to watch Fury Road my first thought after it was "god damn, I absolutely love action movies". To this day it is one of my favourite action movies. Furiosa is a good movie, but, as pretty much everyone saying it's more about characters and world building and honestly I didn't needed any of this.

[@edoardoruini199]

I had such a weird response to Furiosa on first watch. I loved a lot of stuff and felt very pissed about many others. Part of me sort of hates it for falling short on Fury Road's perfection, but i know i was having a blast almost the whole time in the theatre. I just had these moments where it felt fake and uninspired. I need to see it again with the Fury Road grade to see how many of those moments were ruined by that.

[@scottflora]

This was awesome loved the comparison

[@hoerman7983]

I feel like you keep looking at the best scene in the movie. the warrig was the best thing in furiosa. The Problem I had was with the set extension, the whole prologue scene, some of the stunts looked quite fake or had obvious cg support. like when she rides up the bike with one arm no problem and then the assets with the same bike only get to like 20% of the hill before stopping or failing.

[@hoerman7983]

Oh and the credits were stupid, because they just showed me something better right afterwards.

[@VELI-Productions]

I thought I was crazy, glad you confirmed the trailers had different grades because I had just assumed I wasn't remembering correctly and hadn't bothered to check.

[@ConnorHammond]

Good chat, lads. Lovely work, Matt! Not normally a fan of misleading thumbnails, but I understand you had to exaggerate it to get a clear point across on a tiny image. Didn't effect the podcast at all.

[@Whuzzer]

I've been watching these guys very consistently since the 'Sam&Niko' days and their content has consistently strung me along through cycles of depression. The VFX artists react to Bollywood series is among my favorites. I would totally love to see more of that. Beyond that, I would love to see a 'What if' series in your guy's VFX font. For example, what if Superman fought at Thermopylae on behalf of the Spartans. Love you guys thank you for all of the years of decidedly entertaining content. Keep embracing the jank my dudes!!

[@Dan_Tasty]

"crushed blacks" is maybe over-simplifying. It's Matt's grade so he knows what he's done to it but I think it's better described as being more frugal with the true blacks. Crushing the low end is part of it but that usually describes bringing more of the shadow spectrum down to 100% black, whereas in the Fury Road grading they are more like "milky blacks" where the majority of the shadow spectrum is compressed in a brighter spectrum than true black, which creates the cohesion they discussed by forcing your brain to see all the elements as if they're in this one overcast environment, in this instance covered in plumes of dust as well, but they sell the stylization by tinting the shadows with those reds and oranges. You'll notice even though its usually a cool red it's still warmer than we expect those shadows to be so it makes the scene feel super dry and hot. It also makes the blue and green tones really pop against the background (even when they are also muddied by the warm grading) as well as separating the characters & setpieces from the desaturated teal sky and, like the guys explored in the Godzilla clip from the other channel, makes the impact of the massive overbright explosions and deep darkness stand out from the baseline and gives them the freedom of using the gamma and contrast to draw our focus towards important elements. Watch that scene with max tied to the front of the car back and you'll see how the Fury Road is able to draw your focus by injecting those deep blacks into key parts of the forground action while the background is layered with smoke and ambient light that washes it out, kinda the same way you use soft focus but the detail is still crisp

[@Venomhide]

The color grading in Furiosa feels like it is shot in a Volume studio. It makes it feels like everything is partly lit with white studio lights...

[@TK_Brainslug]

yeah it looked like garbage

[@Illusionaire1]

As far as I know, I think vast majority of Furiosa footage had to have it's sky replaced and some of the ground as well. Australia is much less "Mad Maxy" than people think it is, that's why Fury Road was recorded in Nanibia as far as I know.

[@WayStedYou]

@@Illusionaire1 It was recorded in Namibia because there was a large amount of rain in the desert in Australia before filming so a bunch of grasses and plants grew and ruined the fimling locations for being desert, they still had some stuff filmed in Australia and South Africa.

[@x3of9]

I just found a rather in-depth article on Content-Technology that discusses what they did for color grading the film. The screen captures used in the article are quite revealing as to what they thought people were going to see.

[@gilgomush]

Listening to all this the past few months has been the greatest "No Spoiler" conversation i've ever heard. I've been paying attention and listening close, however still have not seen these films. Now I really want to.. but I'm someone who watches all of Game of Thrones 2 days after the final season comes out and everyone stopped caring.

[@thanosraja2091]

About Deadpool, I had so much fun with my friends and at the end of the day that's all that matters.

[@ZapAndersson]

One technique I've always suggested to people is, to put a big color correct at the end of your comp(or in an adjustment layer in something like AE). Play with curves, contrast, gamma, abuse it, tweak back and forth, make it brighter or darker (or if you are already using LUT's, try all of them, tweak them, abuse them)... your comp should work in ALL those cases, not just for the "grade you were using". A good comp survives ANY grade, so try it in "ALL OF THEM".

[@Winsorvy]

Glad to have the squad doing these again.

[@capitainefrite]

0:38 I think the point was Warner would have never green lit a furiosia film on its own. As a female led mad max side film without the titular character.

[@WayStedYou]

The strangest thing is the desert in Australia is very dark red like shown in the fury road-esque grade that they didn't go with

[@ryanglovka9478]

Great podcast, guys! When watching this on my big projector screen, I wonder if I could dial up the saturation and contrast settings and get it to look more "Fury Road-y"???

[@vorpled]

I came across this watching The Italian Job in a hotel. It's a cheesy movie, but I didn't remember it being as bad as it seemed. It was completely the TV settings. The sharpening, anti-blur settings, and the frame rate made a professional Hollywood movie look (and feel) like a cheap soap opera.

[@sh1ggy]

I'm kinda confused. Where can I see the Fury Road grade?

[@albertomontesinos]

i've watched Furiosa a few times already, a couple in the theater, a couple more from the 4k bluray and problably a couple more in MAX, i think that Matt is right when he says that the visuals in the movie clould be fixed with a bit o adjust in the color grading, actually in MAX it looks a bit desaturated, wich imo makes it look better

[@Winsorvy]

Two corridor cast, one of these guys and one of the main channel that can vary week to week. Or make that a monthly recording since the big bosses are super swamped. Give double the content and people would watch these guys. All of them are fan favorites and Christian can start to give his take on topics the group is split on.

[@jackiechannel6351]

it's odd that they don't mention that the colour in both Fury Road and Furiosa are both not what the director wants. He wanted to do them both black and white, especially Fury Road. The studio thought it would scare away viewers so he compromised by having a fairly two tone colour scheme of Blue and Orange, in lieu of Black and White.

[@ianthefirth]

They grade it for Americans who have their TV set to Vivid Sport, because that's how it came from Best Buy.

[@trashstratum]

Alien Romulus Rules. It's way more like Blade Runner 2049 than The Force Awakens.

[@lauvilacoma]

Do you think it could have anything to do with DUNE's look of a desert?

[@AndresArosemena]

Very interesting conversation with several valid points but I think you should change that exaggerated click bait thumbnail. It's doing a disservice to your podcast episode

[@storymark]

The movie doesn't look like that thumbnail. Pretty clickbaity.

[@JacksonKillroy]

Lmao get shafted

[@PriyanshuSingh-sd2dc]

😮 at the end your 🙏 namastey caught me , I thought someone really standing be side me in train,and my eyes are closed.

[@hexabear8311]

Great conversation guys!

[@soldaatjhu]

Fury Road feels designed in a perfect way. Everything looks the best it can look. Furiosa is just different.

[@iamthebigginge]

Cheap trick: turn on night light mode on android to get the Fury Road colour grade

[@JacksonKillroy]

Fun fact: that is actually what george miller did on the movie back in 2015

[@ThDragoomba]

Nice clickbait. The one on the left isn't the theatrical version at all.

[@spleenal]

Totally love love love ❤❤❤ Fury Road, but I can't get fired up about any prequel of anything. I've already seen the end. I will watch Furiosa eventually, and I'm sure I'll love it, but I'll never rush to any prequel.

[@darthmito99]

Fury Road didn't look that saturated, the desert wasn't red. I think the difference is really minimal from Fury Road to Furiosa if set side by side. Also thumbnail is totally clickbait, furiosa doesn't look like that.

[@corridorcast]

In this episode, we show Furiosa right next to Fury Road without any manipulation. That is what this conversation is based on. - Christian

[@ScottSullivanTV]

@@corridorcast But you decided to be a dishonest hack when it comes to the thumbnail???

[@Studeb]

Ridley Scott wanted to direct the sequel to Alien, but was not asked.

[@WayStedYou]

38:50 or the fact they don't get all of the ticket price so its more like 200m+ loss

[@VibeMusicAiRecords]

Furiosa was written before fury road. They decided to do fury road first because it was easier. Watch the directors interviews on furiosa.

[@robertotorres661]

A corridor cast without the OGs im down

[@21thebeardedwonder]

huge fan of the original films and fury road, the color grading made the CGI stand out so much more to me and made everything feel alot more silly and looney tunes and really took me out of the movie. There was also the scene with the cranes and motorcycles that completely ruined my suspension of disbelief. I also didn't enjoy the structure of the film with the multiple time jumps and isolated events but i still thought it was a fun watch in the theater. It was s decent movie but subconi just felt a little off in most areas for some reason.

[@bostonpride1717]

Furiosa looked objectively worse than Fury Road and it took me out of the movir

[@misomiso8228]

This is a really interesting discussion, but I feel the principal issues with the film were NARRATIVE. 1. The 'Child' part of the movie went on far too long. In movies where you have a character go from child to adult, it USUALLY happens midway through Act I, and at most goes on till the end of Act I itself. Child Furiosa goes on for 45% of the movie. It's way too long, and we don't bond with adult Furiosa because of this. 2. The Revenge plot. To make this more like Fury Road, Act II would have to be CONSUMED by Furiosa's quest for revenge. Every decision that she made should have been taking her closer to her final goal, and this would only change where she decides to run away with her man. In the Film she seems to change what she wants, is going to run away then changes her mind etc etc, and this confuses the audience.

[@wraith1977]

I agree with a lot of this. I remember feeling that the movie was too long. It needed to be tightened up, and the amount of time spent on child-Furiosa was too much.

[@alexbarron2876]

I disagree. I actually thought the first two parts with young Furiosa were the most interesting. Parts Three and Four dragged for me, and had a couple action scenes that lasted too long.

[@misomiso8228]

@@alexbarron2876 that's the paradox for me - the opening scenes were 'better' for me as well, however the film as a whole didn't work BECAUSE of how extended the beginning was.

[@alexbarron2876]

@@misomiso8228 The first two parts established how terrible Dementus was and why she'd want to get revenge on him. It's Parts Three and Four when the focus gets a little murkier.

[@misomiso8228]

@@alexbarron2876 I know but narratively you don't need them. Think Darth Vader in the original Star Wars. Demetrius doesn't NEED the length of time spent on him, even though he was compelling to watch.

[@miguelsolana8590]

"Something rhythm" is hopefully liking my comments lol

[@Aryaman.A.R.Y]

What is that thumbnail💀💀💀

[@miguelsolana8590]

That grade looks absolutely mesmerizing. Great frickin job as always! Hollyyy cow. Dean is onto something, we gotta admit ;)

[@robertdouble559]

People who say "obviously" before making a point are pretty fucking insufferable.

[@miguelsolana8590]

All really valid points. The best movie of all time still is always going to be the new portal short you guys made... lol... I have impeccaple taste, I swear! (no bad words, I swear you guys...

[@ttrinkner12]

Release the color grade cut now!

[@ScottSullivanTV]

To suggest they’re grading the movie to account for people who put their TV in Vivid mode insane.

[@ConnorHammond]

Why? Music is mastered to account for bad speakers.

[@prodRegularDude]

​@@ScottSullivanTV to suggest this is insane

[@ScottSullivanTV]

@@prodRegularDude The filmmakers and colorists are not compensating for people who are using their TV in the wrong settings. This isn’t a case where the TV isn’t capable of displaying the movie correctly. This is just people using the wrong settings. Music producers aren’t turning down the bass because “Some people use headphones with the bass turned to the max.”

[@ScottSullivanTV]

@@prodRegularDude Also… you’re saying in 2015 they colored the movie how they wanted, but in 2024, they toned it down because some people use a vivid picture mode???.

[@rossmclean]

Release the Fury Road Grade cut!

[@miguelsolana8590]

You guys really do have impeccaple taste and conversations. Really, really liked last episode as well! So intresting to listen to while I'm doing my own vfx/ animations. (In private. I haven't published anything in a long time...)

[@NicCrimson]

Is it just me or is the video quality lower than before?

[@Kenneth_James]

It didn't hold up. The visuals were the story for Fury Road.

[@eyespy3001]

Fury Road is Dune Part One and Furiosa is Dune Part Two, but in reverse order, chronologically. Together, they make on complete, awesome, movie. Like Dune Part One, Fury Road just drops you into this world with little-to-no explanation of what's going on and why. It just goes. Furiosa, like Dune Part Two, fills in the blanks, expands the world, and fleshes out characters more. The fact that Furiosa leads into Fury Road was a very deliberate choice.

[@jonah.brisco]

I loved Furiosa.

[@stevenkangaza4868]

9:43 Zambia is a place yes. Am from Zambia

[@thatcherfreeman]

One thing thats interesting is that the color grade on the 4k hdr bluray of Fury Road is totally wrecked. They stretched everything to 10k nits and the fire and whatnot is all pretty broken. Looks great in SDR and it looked great in theaters, so I'm not sure how they couldve messed that up

[@JacksonKillroy]

HDR is bad in the first place it is the cornerstone of any nutritious breakfast huh gooba gooba

[@thatcherfreeman]

@@JacksonKillroy honestly I haven't seen any HDR treatments yet that were both meaningfully different than the SDR version and also looked better. Unrolling the highlights is just not an appealing aesthetic

[@Keithsciguy]

39:10 the argument being made is very weak. Deadpool is the first fun action movie ive seen in a while it embodiment of a dude show ill agree it didn't tell a story it was just fun. Furiosa is simply a cash grab on an old ip with insert female boss here. Rather or not you enjoy the movie aside you cant claim furiosa is new and Deadpool is not thats just false.

[@lordcrayzar]

Best thumbnail.

[@Pearce989]

Are thumbnail bots the new thing? 😂

[@JacksonKillroy]

@schaefter

[@BoogieManSince1977]

When your "Dirt" is "Clean" ... you've gone too far ^_^

[@JacksonKillroy]

Sammy sammy! Oooooh, sammy! Ma boiiii

[@codemanthe2nd343]

That grade helps a ton.

[@errgoth]

tbh, as a Max fan I'm not that interested in the Furiosa character. Personally I was on the fence for Furry Road and ended enjoying it as a great movie, but still no interest in the Furiosa character. I don't know why they didn't register that it is not what fans want. There is so much to see in that world at this point and yet...

[@Clockwork0nions]

bros don't cope, Furiosa was not good.

[@epicthief]

Back again as paying Corridor site member as KZbin lets me download for offline play, please make this a feature in the app!

[@Kenneth_James]

They seem like they're scared to speak truth

[@mylokins]

So…watch it with night shift on is what your saying

[@broggie123]

Feel like 300 has the same issue

[@bakedbillybacon]

#ReleaseTheMattCut

[@bitterlatethannever4451]

How would i go about seeing a full version in this grade?

[@thomasvaughan294]

The Matrix, but not green.

[@miguelsolana8590]

Dean seems like he really didn't like the movie. Maybe he should watch it again ain a few years time ;) Or on a diffrent, more saturated screen. Whateva. lel

[@bokchoiman]

Having not seen the movie yet, I will continue to not watch it until they color it like Fury Road. Truly a wasted opportunity. Like, stylistic continuity is supposed to be what connects two movies in the same universe. You don't see style change from the Sin City or 300 movies. That's because people already have this image in their brain of what they liked about the first movie and if you flip the visual style on them in the sequel it's like the worst rug-pull ever.

[@RH1812]

The 4K of the latest spider-verse looks awful. It’s pale, washed out and drab. The blu ray looks how it should be. That transfer is not alone. It’s feels like folk responsible for colour grading the physical releases of 4K don’t care. Regarding Romulus, I’m in the ‘it’s tedious’ camp. The design and initial premise is good. The lead two are ok. The story literally becomes a greatest hits. I was massively disappointed

[@StophD]

This ep got seriously tedious

[@ewatfred]

Red ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[@fastony9659]

Very disingenuous thumbnail.

[@iamdickel8574]

love furiosa cinematography

[@DynastyUK]

This is why it's SO important to have integrity and listen to yourself NOT others comments. You liked the film, that was your take. The film was called a "Flop" by many because they were like sheep worried to say anything different.

[@andothersuchnonsense2685]

A "flop" is defined by box office performance, not the public consensus on quality. Flop has always meant a movie that came out and did not make money.

[@DynastyUK]

@@andothersuchnonsense2685 And yet there was tons of content online saying it will flop, calling it before it happened. Swaying peoples so easily led beliefs.

[@Clockwork0nions]

@@DynastyUK Because no one cared about Furiosa. its MAD MAX.

[@scratchmediaohio]

This clickbait is insane. These types of videos fuck over the people who put all the hard work in, knowing there's hills and battles. Social media marketing is a cesspool of greedy know-it-alls.

[@BioshadowX]

They explicitly call out, multiple times, that this was not the cause of any one perso or even team of people not goving it their best and that it ws likely a result of the full workflow process.They show nothing but respect for the people who worked on it. But keep making shit up dude : )

[@xblissfulleex]

Sick clickbait

[@calebstone22]

They made Mad Max without Max🤷🏻

[@TK_Brainslug]

The studios put the movies out on VoD before it goes their normal streaming platform with a hefty pricetag 20 bucks, if not higher, or so Romulus has 152.4M intl. cume now over 50 markets! Allied to 72.8M US cume, it stands ar a 225.2M worldwide not bad for a budget of 80M Of course they are referencing the Fox movies cause that's where Wolverine and Deadpool are from. It is/was a loveletter to those films