We Dyno Tested 6 Different Audi 3.0L Supercharged V6's!!!

[@VancityAudi]

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[@bdez1259]

Other KZbinr’s should take a clue from Adam and his channel, this is how you make a video! So many other channels just video tape themselves going “ohhhh ahhhh, wow it’s fast.” Adam goes to the dyno, the strip, and utilizes a dragy. Perfect

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks! Let's not tell the other KZbinrs and instead just take my channel to new heights! Lol! Thanks for the kind words!

[@KillerZero259]

And it was the 6MT model that won!!!! Hell yeah to that!!!!

[@jamesturner2329]

Stage 1 Manual s4 FTW 🙌

[@BoostedYote]

This makes me happy that I only went stage 1 on my A6 and I’m plenty happy with it.

[@Rugged_again]

Yo me too!! Apr baby 🙏🏾

[@henryp9600]

looking into doing this after considering a pulley and tune, ill start with tune!

[@BoostedYote]

@@Rugged_again 034 all the way

[@APRtube]

Great APR Stage 1 results! On the Stage 2 car, log IAT. IAT on the dyno will KILL performance and that's very true with a dual pulley setup that spins the charge much faster. If you're on a dyno with low airflow (a big low CFM fan won't cut it), you'll definitely see power drop off compared to the road. Log IAT and this should become very clear. Once you cross our IAT safety threshold, we open the bypass valve to prevent the engine from eating itself.

[@VancityAudi]

The owner provided me logs from the street after he suffered performance loss on the dyno. His car is pulling massive amounts of timing on your Stage 2 - DP & TB 93 octane tune. His IAT's were well within reason as well. Although they would have been significantly higher on the dyno, that wouldn't have been the case on the first dyno pull before the car really started to heat up unless something wasn't operating as intended.

[@APRtube]

​@@VancityAudi With higher IAT the ecu will request less timing rather than showing up as knock, unless we're talking about something extreme. If there's a lot of timing pull that's causing issues, check the quality of gas, and use a different gas station. Change the oil and inspect the PCV for blow by. Check the plugs, replace, regap. Inspect for coolant leaks within the cooling bricks. Inspect the cats to ensure they haven't failed.

[@VancityAudi]

@@APRtube It didn't have high IAT's on his street pull that I was referencing. It was pulling up to 8 degrees of timing at 47 degrees. He has a lot to look into on why it never made the power he should have on that dyno day.

[@JT-bu9ln]

Will there eventually be a crackle tune file with the APR B8.5 3.0 tune? Or is there one that could be requested?

[@122ffsdd]

@@JT-bu9ln crackle tunes are cringy. Just don't.

[@joevergnetti767]

I have a ‘13 S4 with dual pulleys, Revo stage 2, AWE intake and full exhaust and dyno’d at 450. It sounds and drives amazing…oh on 91 in CO so 5200ft in elev…these 3.0 superchargers are no slouches. It’s lowered and have 034 Motorsport front strut brace and it rides like it’s on rails.

[@lukeimoberstag2734]

What part of CO you in? I live in Denver and just picked up a basically stock '10 S4 6MT APR stage 1. Let me know if you'd ever want to link up. Love to feel the dual pulleys and see if its worth upgrading mine more.

[@ferdi.b93]

Good job to everyone. APR is as awalys killing it with torque. That's why they are one of my favorite tunes.

[@Rommellollis]

The 3rd S4 with APR Stage 1 tune...yes it's manual but look also how smooth the dyno graph is compared to the other S4's...really good tune i must say. Well done APR.

[@VancityAudi]

A lot of that can be attributed to the smoothing on the graph because it made more power we had to raise the max hp limit on the graph which makes the graph look smoother.

[@eeiko321]

I think it’s also shows the overall health of his car. Many people assume… eg stage 2+ “yeah I’m on this tune… my cars running xxx hp” When things such as carbon build up (which tHese early direct injection are notorious for) and west and tear of components in the engine/transmission can impact wheel power… it’s probably all shown here.

[@VancityAudi]

@@eeiko321 It had nothing to do with the health of the vehicle and carbon build up on others. It's very simple actually. Manual B8/8.5's have significantly less drivetrain loss. Seeing as every other car we compared it to was a DSG, it appeared to make more power than the others did.

[@eeiko321]

@@VancityAudi carbon build up has a lot to do with affecting power! Even if manuals suffer less drivetrain loss compared to DSG, if you notice, all the other readings from in comparison between one another are all over the shop. So as I said, the health of the car is very detrimental

[@VancityAudi]

@@eeiko321 I'll let you believe what you want to believe. I strongly disagree

[@DJTEDDY507]

Adam, thanks for another incredible video. I like that you use data to showcase the true power of our cars. A lot of tuning companies claim high horsepower numbers, but it is good to see how our cars perform in real life scenarios. This video gave me a better sense of how much power I'm truly pushing. I own a 2013 Audi S4 B8.5, 034 motorsports stage 1 ECU+DSG tune

[@VancityAudi]

You're very welcome. As much as this video may give you a "sense" of what kind of power you're making you won't know unless you log your car and make sure it's running correctly in the first place as demonstrated by a few cars here. Thanks for watching!

[@coreyruttan872]

I've always slept on this platform...IMPRESSIVE!

[@TremainSr]

Damnit I was looking forward to that A7 dyno

[@VancityAudi]

We all were!

[@TremainSr]

@@VancityAudi Guess I’ll have to do my own dyno to see what my numbers

[@Ryndel]

This channel reminds me of sport compact car magazine back in the day, no fluff.

[@VancityAudi]

I find there to be enough fluff and bull sh$t in this world. I try my best to simply bring results

[@CajunVol]

Great video as always! Big thank you to all the guys who came out to participate. Was hoping to see a little more from the IE Stage 1 - 93. I am going to have to take the S5 with the same IE tune and an APR cold air intake to the dyno so I can get a comparison.

[@VancityAudi]

Unless you're local, testing on the same dyno, with the same fuel, with the same conditions, with the same fuel, don't expect your results to be a fair comparison.

[@CajunVol]

@@VancityAudi that is certainly a valid point. Seeing as how I am in the southern states, I won't be able to drop by your dyno shop, LOL! It would still be fun to see what numbers "Jolene" (wife named her that because I can't stay out from under her hood), can put up.

[@VancityAudi]

@@CajunVol once you've datalogged your car to make sure it is running properly it's always a good time to see what a dyno says it makes for power.

[@5Headerino]

I'm IE Stage II Throttle Body, 93 map. I'll be doing a dyno soon and I'll upload the results to youtube (Or I can just reply here if I remember.)

[@matthewdiabo2879]

@@5Headerino do you happen to remember your dyno results?

[@PatrickMatte911]

I would love to see each log’s of each dyno run from between the 6 cars. This will give us the REAL winner. I admit i love this test BTW. Nice Job Adam.

[@VancityAudi]

Thank you. Stay tuned to the channel for more dyno showdowns on the B9 platform!

[@AJyfm700R]

First video I've seen from you and it feels like a breath of fresh air. Thanks for not overreacting everything.

[@VancityAudi]

Thank you. I get WAY more excited for how my cars perform than others, lol. Especially when I know they are underperforming.

[@dirk5950]

Congrats on getting real gas to BC! Also, that blue stage 2 car is absolutely beautiful.

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks! I'm hoping that I can do a test of the new Shell 93 soon to verify it is the best fuel we have around here now.

[@dirk5950]

@@VancityAudi Man I hope so, seen your logs and other cars from that area on that 91 crap. They are painful to look at.

[@greatwhitenorth3717]

Yes would love to see what that 93 looks like vs 94. Also very curious as to what % E blend shell uses.

[@dirk5950]

@@greatwhitenorth3717 Not all 94 is equivalent up there either. Whatever they get in Ottawa region is the gold standard for 94. it runs like E30 but without the stoich hit you would see on E30.

[@stefandsc1028]

the APR stage 1 tune curve on the manual S4 is 440Nm. strange because that's the stock torque on paper. but where on the stock engine the curve begins to bend downward abruptly at cca. 5200RPM, this one remains flat and consistent. I have a hard time choosing between APR, MTM, and Turboperfomance-punct-de. The results in this video help alot!

[@VancityAudi]

Not sure you understand how this dyno is reading power. The stock torque is 440nm at the crank. This dyno results shows 408nm at the wheels, not the crank. So you still have to add drivetrain loss into that calculation. I'm also glad you liked the video but you shouldn't base what tune you are buying off of dyno results.

[@stefandsc1028]

@@VancityAudi fair enough, I forgot to take into account the drivetrain loss. nevertheless the torque curve looks very smooth, if not the smoothest from the test. and the guy said he only had a stage 1 chip tuning, namely the 441PS/535Nm. impressive! PS: also drive a S4 with a manual gearbox, but mine is estate. greetings from Germany!

[@devinisonline120]

Great vid!!! would love to see you get the guys together for some test runs with a draggy

[@VancityAudi]

As I stated in the video, none of these guys race their cars. We won't be shooting that, sorry.

[@BoostedYote]

@@VancityAudi if you ain’t racing then buy a Prius.

[@VancityAudi]

@@BoostedYote lol, I agree. Sadly many people out there including these guys don't.

[@jrf607]

Super interesting to see the wild differences between each car! Very cool video!

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks for watching!

[@jgizzy]

If you press on your keyboard the number pad 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 -- it will bring you perfectly to the dyno results on 5 of the 6 dyno results. Very cool find

[@VancityAudi]

That's very cool!

[@rhnathan11]

Great video. Disappointed the A7 didn't work out. Hope to see it again. Am single pulley on my a7 hoping to getting the IE tune soon.

[@wes8398]

You're single pulley without a tune? That means you're basically just blowing off any extra boost you make with the pulley... why only do half the job?

[@rhnathan11]

@@wes8398 it's ie stage 1 tune right now. I just didn't have the money at the time.

[@martinezs89]

That was awesome! I have my self a stg 1 apr 2012 a6. Was cool to see the different tunes out there.

[@dsmatts]

My somewhat built 3.0t is on the way back from blackbird.. gonna be interesting to see what we can get out of it..

[@larrrythecableguysoldneigh8899]

Dude! Sick video keep the innovation coming!

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks!

[@roderickroderick7216]

6MT FTW

[@j.w.presents9552]

A manual car is king when it comes to drivetrain loss, and they're lighter aswell! I almost pulled the trigger on one but couldn't get myself to accept a 5k clutch job everytime lol. Anyways good work as always man, looking forward to the B8 S4 fueling issues video!

[@VancityAudi]

That's coming up soon!

[@122ffsdd]

They may make more power on a Dyno but real world manuals are still slower

[@j.w.presents9552]

@@122ffsdd Depends on what racing you're doing... Dig racing yes, but in roll racing manuals can most definitely be superior.

[@tehgzizlauw1787]

@@j.w.presents9552 it's all driver dependent, so in the real world more often than not a manual is slower because the drivers can't shift as fast as a DSG

[@j.w.presents9552]

@@tehgzizlauw1787 Absolutely. That's why I said, " can ". Lol. But remember they dont even have to shift as fast. The Manuals have much longer gearing..add in less weight and less powertrain loss like i said earlier. Then the average person with some good seat time can and most definitely will pull away from a DSG car on the top end. I loved my DSGs consistency but man I would've loved to bang some gears in that thing.

[@michellguzelgul4267]

Been searching all of youtube for this exact video. Can't believe it just came out same time. Very coincidental. Subscribed.

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks and welcome!

[@Rugged_again]

All dope ass Audis!! APR BABY 🔥🔥

[@cameron9292]

Crazy how these S4's are slept on in the car community, at least around here. Everyone's still cruising around in their JDM's like it's 2002 and they're in the Fast and the Furious lol

[@VancityAudi]

When modded correctly and looked after, they sure do boogie.

[@mohammadkamran5862]

Totally agree. They are beautiful and wonderful cars. I’m glad they’re slept on tbh. So I can snatch one up for a decent price hopefully in the used market. And they won’t be overhyped and overpriced like the JDMs. 😁

[@DarkSession6208]

@@VancityAudiBought a S4 Avant V6 Supercharged yesterday , holy shit its a dual pulley with just a tune (everthing except stock, means exhaust, cats, airbox etc). 100-200 km/h in 10.4s , this is by far the fastest and most violent car i ever owned and i had amgs,rs and so on. It sounds and feels like a porsche engine.

[@MichaelPanzer]

I great to see videos like this! I think this engine is great except for the fuel efficiency. It's just sad that I only see videos about the S4 with that (and the A7 here for a change) because I have it in an A6 Avant 4F with the ZF 6 speed torque converter. I know you never got that model over there and that's a bit sad. Anyway, great video and keep that up! Cheers from Germany

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks for watching!

[@alexross4062]

Just did my C6 (4F) today, with a JHM 187mm crank pulley, tune, and intake, I managed 353AWHP!

[@crunch3rYouTube]

Wow that A7 owner spouted off about 7500G worth of mods and he could not even get past 400, I have the same 93 APR tune with full exhaust and I'm super happy with that. No need to go stage 2 or xpipe downpipe or any of that crap. Exhaust was more for sound than performance but still I am grateful to your video because now I feel doing any more engine mods on my B8.5 S4 would be waste of money. As long as I can whip V8 Coyotes and maybe a stock 911 I'm happy.

[@VancityAudi]

That's a shame that's what you took from this video. Doing the additional mods is absolutely worth it as proven in this video on my Dual Pulley Throttle Body E40 B8 S4: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2jIpKFrrs-tesk It solely depends on what the owners have done to ensure they are getting what they should out of their cars. Both of the Stage 2 owners had never even logged their cars to see that they were working correctly prior to filming. It proves how important it is to log your B8's to make sure you are getting 110% out of them like I did.

[@crunch3rYouTube]

@@VancityAudi Well I agree about your comment about getting what you want out of the car. I found your video to be super informative! Don't be shaming me! Ill check out your other vid you linked... I'm just very practical I have a small budget for mods for the S4 so I have to be very selective in the choices considering HP, reliability, comfort & tech.

[@VancityAudi]

@@crunch3rKZbin completely understandable!!! Budget conscious build you say?!? Here we go: Integrated Engineering Stage 2 Single Pulley E30 & 7200rpm TCU tune, IE air intake system, IE supercharger pulley, MercRacing Heat Exchanger. Done and done!

[@Sle3p520]

Just a little disappointed I couldn’t see what the A7’s truly making! I have a ‘16 A6, just installed the Heat exchanger cuz I’m ready to go stage 2 dual pulleys. Great video!

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks for watching! We were all disappointed as well. It just serves as a reminder to always datalog your cars because even though every single one of these owners thought their cars were running perfectly, they weren't.

[@tmack79]

274 horsepower but plate says m3 lol 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@maxgagnon1947]

Cant wait to dyno my s4 when I upgrade my clutch to stage 2 with the eurocode lw flywheel and those jhm race pipe

[@Yerppper]

skip euro code . southbend stage 3 endurance . If that’s not in the budget. The ringer stage 4 with the CM steel fw would be the go to for us manuals. Me personally I run the ringer with no issues

[@maxgagnon1947]

@@Yerppper I got my stage2 street southbend when I was stage 1. It an error I know but I dayli the car during summer and she sleep the whole winter.

[@toddn.3123]

Love it! Very good comparison video.

[@VancityAudi]

Thank you

[@eeiko321]

Lol imagine that day. A man going in with chests pumped and the. leaving speechless and heartbroken lol

[@bucdan9242]

Great video. I'm a bit shocked even the single 180mm crank pulley stage 2 cars were having belt slip. I'd understand the slip on a DP setup, but wow.

[@VancityAudi]

Turned out his IAT's were skyrocketing due to him running a Stage 2 tune with a stock heat exchanger. Once he upgraded his heat exchanger, he made much more horsepower when he went back and dyno tested his car again on his own time.

[@skyhookpro]

Adam you are a great person keep up men...

[@VancityAudi]

thank you

[@salik990]

hey Adam great to see the comparisons, now plz do their dragy run :)

[@VancityAudi]

As I have already stated in the video, none of these guys race their cars. This was the first time on the dyno for all of them. They don't performance test their cars. They simply modify their cars to enjoy more as a daily driver and that's it.

[@tonyboss4291]

I'd love to do something like this in Toronto. I'd love to throw my b8.5 in there and see what it's doing. 😁

[@tonyboss4291]

I'd put b8 against others😎

[@cnjconsulting]

Shout out for Sask tags haha

[@MarcoPerez-mr2ou]

Damn that a7 sounds good

[@o0TaxMan0o]

Im single pulley, cold ram, gearbox tune and ecu remapped dynod @430bhp. Pretty sure the tuner never had it in dynamic either.

[@VancityAudi]

Dynamic mode isn't going to change the results on the dyno. Also, every dyno reads differently based on the dyno brand, how it was calibrated, the ambient conditions, the fuel quality and so on.

[@phobiazzzero4935]

😂😂😂lol at that guy’s license plate LOLM3 buahahahaha nailed it

[@ActuallyVen]

Great video Adam! Just as surprised as everyone else about the Manual APR S4 putting down the highest number. Would be interesting to see the drive train loss between the DSG and 6MT. Do you think it's the tune making the most power difference? 🤔

[@VancityAudi]

No I don't. I believe it is the drivetrain loss that comes into play.

[@TheDarkhorse82]

@@VancityAudi there isnt supposed to be drivetrain loss from a dsg though is there? the only thing would be the wet clutch no?

[@VancityAudi]

@@TheDarkhorse82 every vehicle in the world suffers drivetrain loss. Depending on the transmission, the driveshaft, axles and every other part inbetween it varies between vehicles

[@TheDarkhorse82]

@@VancityAudi im meaning between a manual and dsg comparison

[@VancityAudi]

@@TheDarkhorse82 I'm aiming to answer that question in a future video

[@craigwilson6314]

Curious to see how our 2010 S4 would do. We have IE Stage 2 dual pulley 93 octane tune with all bolt on items available less throttle body upgrade. I'll see if I can get a time slot next week at our local mustang dyno. We also have the same Shell gas here in Hallowell, Maine. Hopefully we won't experience the same issues! Great videos!

[@VancityAudi]

Sadly this comparison won't provide an accurate test between your car and these. Your Shell 93 is not the same as our Shell 93. Your Mustang dyno is not the same as our Mustang dyno. No matter how close you try and make the variables they'll never be the same when trying to test 2 different cars, on 2 different dyno's (which may have been calibrated differently), in different parts of the world, using different fuels and in different environmental conditions.

[@diegorodri19]

Awesome content

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks

[@Todd.T]

No mention on whether the A7 was CREC or not. I'm guessing by the tail lights, not.

[@TheWarawaj]

That is correct, not a CREC. It is a 2012.

[@alexandrecorrea]

My A6 c7.5 with apr stage2+ (dual pulley, supercharger whatercooler, intake and exhaust) and TCU upgrade … 550whp

[@VancityAudi]

On a different dyno, in a different density altitude, in a different ambient temperature, with different fuel. Comparing dyno results from one dyno to another are silly.

[@blucobalt8688]

That a7 sounded incredible its too bad that it didnt work out

[@VancityAudi]

It's too bad that multiple cars didn't work!

[@swift__]

Damn that a7 was sick🤘🏻🤘🏻apr always seems to pump higher numbers.

[@TheWarawaj]

Thanks man, I hope to get to the published numbers one day.

[@gtr_guy]

Really makes you wonder how many of our cars have belt slip issues and such.

[@VancityAudi]

If I had to guess... a whole sh$t ton of them

[@gtr_guy]

@@VancityAudi did any of the problem cars dynoed on here mention that seemed a little off or did they all feel like it was 100%

[@VancityAudi]

@@gtr_guy they literally had no idea their cars weren't working correctly because they had never logged them before, so they knew nothing different

[@Nubsauce]

Seems like APR is still the best tune to get. Good to know.

[@VancityAudi]

No, it isn't. As I explained in the pinned comment, that car suffered less drivetrain loss than all the other automatic cars. Not only that, it managed to rev higher than all the other cars because it was a manual. The higher you can rev a supercharged motor, the more power it will make. Looking back on it, I should have never included that car in the testing.

[@Nubsauce]

@Vancity Audi I know how the transmissions work. That's why it's an even larger benefit to get the transmission tune with the 7spd ones after the ECU Tune. Brings that rpm limit to 7300 and change. But even still. The cars with the crank / pulley upgrades should have been pushing upwards close to 4 with a tune. A full stage 2 dual pulley with an APR tune, after the other bolt ons, of course, are pushing over 500bhp. And if people are putting 93 in a 91 octane profile, it could cause performance issues as the car is now pushing more hp and tq than what the ECU tune is expecting.

[@VancityAudi]

@Nubsauce depends on the TCU tune. Most are raised to 7200rpm. Some are even higher up to 7350rpm. That is if they are even using one. As for the Stage 2 tuned vehicles, I'm not sure you watched the whole video or just skipped to the end results? I go over the fact that neither of those cars were working properly, and that is the owner's fault for not datalogging and testing before they brought it to the dyno to make sure they were running at 100%. As for putting 93 octane in a 91 octane tuned vehicle and suffering performance loss... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 That's not how it works. Using a higher octane fuel then required will only benefit the vehicle, not take away from it.

[@Nubsauce]

@Vancity Audi I watched the whole thing. And I agree that it is the owners' faults. As for the octane, sure, it will benefit, but some tunes specifically say not to use any other octane other than the one that the profile is built for or it could cause anomalies. At least, that is what I see from the main brand tunes. Could be different from company to company. IE: Cobb tunes are less pissy with octane differences. I was really excited to see that A7 dominate, but man... that one really didn't like what was going on.

[@VancityAudi]

@Nubsauce I've yet to see a tuner say to not use any octane higher than what it calls for. Do you have any examples of this I could check out? And ya, it was a major let down to not see either of the Stage 2 cars perform.

[@FASTU-mz3tm]

THE MORE I SEE THIS VIDEOS, the more i love my C7 VETT 680hps.................................

[@VancityAudi]

And probably running high 11's in the 1/4 mile 🤣 Thanks for watching!

[@bassmasta9117]

I have 2014 S4 with the Stage 1 APR 93 octane and an intake basically the same as the dude at 4:44 and I love it!!. I'm happy to see it dyno at 400 horsepower! P.S. You remind me of Vsauce

[@VancityAudi]

No idea who VSauce is, so I don't know if I should take that as a compliment or a dis, lol.

[@bassmasta9117]

@@VancityAudi Popular KZbinr that does science videos😅

[@VancityAudi]

@@bassmasta9117 hahaha, that's awesome! Just looked him up. I don't necessarily see the resemblance but with a subscriber count that high I'll take that as a compliment! Lol. Thanks!

[@tubemeister676]

Adam, I've got 2012 A6 stage 2 intergrated engineering, test pipes 80mm throttle body heat exchanger and magnaflow mufflers. Have you tried NOS,or got any input on the that? Was thinking 75hp-100hp shot. Trying for 10sec 1/4 mile machine. THANKS ADAM.

[@VancityAudi]

No, sorry. I've never heard of anyone running NOS on this platform.

[@zackgatopolus9851]

going dual pulley soon with my a6 going with IE intake 80mm tb can auto performance heat exchanger and 191mm crank with test pipes then going to try to run an e40 tune what kind of numbers would you expect?

[@VancityAudi]

Every single dyno reads differently so I couldn't say. If you wanted what IE claims here it is though: performancebyie.com/collections/ecu-software-tunes/products/ie-ecu-tune-audi-30t-supercharged

[@BoostedYote]

This is the video that made me want an RS3 instead of an S4/5.

[@VancityAudi]

Nice! Glad I could encourage you to go with a better vehicle!

[@willneverstop]

@@VancityAudi nah RS3’s are front bias…I much prefer the handling of traditional, longitude, rear bias Quattro cars. RS3’s are way faster and sound better but I find handling way more important plus S4’s come in a stick too which makes it more fun. 😊

[@ikipearl]

Aviation fuel spices things up

[@stephenosei-kofi9461]

That’s interesting I’m 6MT with Apr stage 1 93 tune but with intake and test pipes. I wonder how much I could pull

[@devinisonline120]

Do you think the added power from a manual would be better for 1/4 mile times than the shift speed of the DSG

[@VancityAudi]

The 6 speed manual would go much slower than all of the tuned DSG cars due to the shift speed being so much slower

[@devinisonline120]

@@VancityAudi Thanks for the reply, kinda figured that :/. But the numbers were so impressive I had some hopes haha

[@spaztooreal9736]

Those last 2 stg 2 cars have that much Who due to not having a TCU tune & maybe IAT’s i believe also could be belt slip but its crazy how that 6 Spd Got 400 whp just from stg 1

[@VancityAudi]

Their results have absolutely nothing to do with not having a TCU tune. Their IAT'S weren't the problem either.

[@TheWarawaj]

Not to mention that the A7, my car, has a TCU tune and a Heat exchanger.

[@JP-do1xc]

If you could make a video of that A7 where the run is better that would be nice. I drive a a7 and would love to see what the A7 platform can do

[@VancityAudi]

Sadly that won't be happening. Perhaps you could reach out to the owner directly and find out if he plans on going back

[@TheWarawaj]

I would love to make another video once my issues have been resolved. I don't have an active channel, but I could find a way to get it out there.

[@VancityAudi]

@@TheWarawaj if and when you go back just film a run, take a photo of the results and post it in the B8/8.5 Network FB group. Lots of people that watch these videos are in that group.

[@JP-do1xc]

@@VancityAudi would love to see that

[@TheWarawaj]

@@VancityAudi Will do Adam, thanks again for all of your guidance. Much appreciated.

[@72defender]

Shell 93...I’d be interested to see how it stacks up vs. Petro-Canada 94.

[@VancityAudi]

As soon as someone else pays for the dyno time and all the fuel necessary to do this testing I can do another fuel comparison.

[@derekspringer1596]

Can I use the same IE stage one tunes on two cars? I have a 2016 SQ5 and a 2012 conv S5. Same engines. Or so I have to pay twice?

[@VancityAudi]

You have to pay for the tune per VIN.

[@nivamonicolas]

You should really test an S4 with a (Chipwerk pro 93 setting piggy tune) I’ve seen some cars with that tune gap stage 1 apr cars on the 93 setting.

[@VancityAudi]

Won't be happening, sorry.

[@Imnuktam]

As someone who sees a lot of tunes, what would you say is the best to use on an Audi s4 2015 if I go water/meth? I currently use APR stage 2+ with the APR Heat exchanger, Ultracharger kit, Open Airbox CAI, Awe Exhaust and 034's Dual pulleys. Havent done Water / Meth yet but seems APR doesnt support it and if i want to go with it I will have to change to a different tuner. IE and 034 are the two I have considered but not sure if all that price of changing and getting water/meth would be worth it, though from what I have read it will allow me to use my 91 octane which is all we have here and go with a higher octane tune.

[@VancityAudi]

You'd want to go with a custom tune to utilize water/meth to its fullest. All of the OTS tuners that you mentioned won't get you every last drop of performance via the additional octane and cooling it will provide.

[@Imnuktam]

Is water/meth worth it in your opinion for the money with the mods I have so far when all I have access to is 91 octane? Any suggestions on a good custom tuner? Only things I feel I really have left to get me to the 500whp I have been shooting for is that and porting the blower.

[@VancityAudi]

​@Imnuktam water/meth would be an amazing octane booster for you, seeing as you only have access to 91 octane fuel. With a proper nozzle and WM setup, you'd be able to theoretically run a 100 - 104 octane map and make WAY more power than straight 91 octane fuel would get you. You would need a specific tune to utilize the fact you'd be spraying anytime above a certain throttle application. United Motorsport offers custom tuning. You'd need to find a local dealer near you though to create a custom tune for your setup.

[@VancityAudi]

​@Imnuktam as I mentioned United Motorsports offers custom tuning. IE doesn't offer custom tuning. Snow Performance and Aquamist both make good kits.

[@Imnuktam]

Saw that you mentioned United Motorsports and finding a local dealer but only found locations for them in OH and KY which is why I asked about remote tuners. Appreciate all the feedback, water / meth is not something I have ever done to a car before so is all new info for me. Car runs great right now and I am guessing is somewhere around 500hp to the crank. W/M is about the only mod left on my list (maybe ported blower if I could get a good enough price) to get me to around 500whp / 600 crank, which is where I wanted to get the car to when I started modding it. Always want more, but I am not sure on the S4 internals limit and want to make sure I dont push them to far.

[@jonrodriguez9304]

Question: For the S4 only running APR stage 1 without tune or other mods - won’t that strain the OEM components? Or is that safe?

[@VancityAudi]

You have to keep in mind that the only reason that tune made so much more power is because of it having less drivetrain loss because it was a manual transmission, and the fact that it was able to rev higher than all the other cars. Supercharged motors make more power the higher they can rev. This tune along with all the other ones showcased are safe for the motors.

[@wes8398]

Did that A7 happen to have a bolt-on / clutched blower (CREC engine code)? If so, they're known to have blower pulley clutch slip issues.

[@TheWarawaj]

No code faults before or after. Its a 2012, so not a CREC

[@stevepryce6738]

very nice video!

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks!

[@ulrikphilipsen6343]

What is the rear diffuser on the Stage2-EPL car?

[@sofakingeuro]

ECS gloss black diffuser

[@michellguzelgul4267]

Am I missing something? The white s4 with stage 1 IE only got 356 HP? The car stock is roughly 333 and the IE site states it will push it to around 403. I am relatively new to all of this and am planning on going with IE stage 1, is this common or can I expect 400+? Got a S4 B8. Thanks.

[@michellguzelgul4267]

Actually what year was it?

[@Burr92345]

The results in the video are showing wheel horsepower readings , not crank horsepower readings. Hence why you’re misinterpreting the numbers compared to their tunes and advertised gains .

[@michellguzelgul4267]

@@Burr92345 Got it. I appreciate it.

[@xdzeron_1859]

Dose anyone knows the potential of the 3.0t cuz I didn't found anyone talk about them 🙂

[@BoostInMotion]

good video...

[@VancityAudi]

Thank you

[@pianomail]

Wow, really surprised to see such low numbers from the Stage 2 vehicles. I'm on a Stage 2 APR DP tune with 034 TCU tune and I'm seeing about 395-400whp from virtual dyno, but my graphs look really smooth and boost is holding strong in the high rpm. That 405whp from a Stage 1 car seems to be a fluke, that engine must be blessed by the car gods because that's way more than what would be expected from most Stage 1 cars. Manual definitely does help putting a few more ponies to the road though.

[@VancityAudi]

Sadly, both of the Stage 2 cars were suffering from mechanical issues that neither of the owners were aware of. The APR manual car read as high as it did because a manual car suffers less drivetrain loss than the cars that use a DSG.

[@bsg2923]

405 isn't crazy for stage 1.... Especially not with a manual. I am sure they didn't just do one single pull, don't be mad just because it makes more hp than yours.

[@leapers124]

What gear you pulling in

[@VancityAudi]

4th gear

[@alwayswindigs]

I’m really curious on the first one. I thought the S4 comes stock with 340? How come he was sub 300

[@VancityAudi]

They come with 333hp at the crank. All of these power ratings are at the wheels. You have to account for the drivetrain loss.

[@1Pueblito]

Looks like APR is the way to go.

[@VancityAudi]

You'd be wrong. The only reason the numbers were higher were because of less drivetrain loss because of it being a manual and being able to rev the engine higher.

[@sherwinzn1]

so the tune only car made.the most power

[@VancityAudi]

AKA the manual transmission appeared to make the most power because he suffered the least amount of drivetrain loss

[@jamesturner2329]

I wish Noel with the manual s4 had a channel or was a content creator manuals will always be faster the 7sp is just quicker.

[@VancityAudi]

He's a good dude for sure. Not sure how you've come to that conclusion though. I've never seen a manual B8/8.5 trap 132mph in the 1/4 mile which is what has been done repeatedly in a 7 speed DSG.

[@jamesturner2329]

@@VancityAudi yea it’s cause the shifts in the transmission try roll racing with a good manual driver with similar mods with such a small stretch quicker wins everytime but up top or rolling manuals are lighter an like you said suffer less drivetrain inertia. But dsg is just a really fast shifting trans compared to most who own these cars mainly people who can’t even begin to think on how to launch let alone drive a 6sp

[@VancityAudi]

@@jamesturner2329 I see. I've just personally never witnessed that. In my opinion as soon as the "real good manual driver" pushes that clutch in to shift, the DSG car starts pulling. Then the next shift he pulls even more. It's just physics in my opinion, but I know we all have one of those, haha.

[@jamesturner2329]

@@VancityAudi Yea I’ve yet to see it on video except maybe 1 here on KZbin but I live here in Colorado Springs an have witnessed it in person dsg losing to a manual 60 roll to 130 then dig racing an the dsg shows the 6sp its tails lights by about car an a half but I mean there are nothing but dsg s4’s out there an everytime a manual shows up it gets dogged everytime in a dig. I don’t have a camera btw or I would set up another roll race an film it.

[@jamesturner2329]

@@VancityAudi These manuals aren’t built very well either have yet to see a fully built manual transmission an everything but those dsg’s are everywhere with the tcu tune!

[@JV-py3lg]

So stage 1 tune should expect around 350wheel?

[@VancityAudi]

No, it heavily depends on your tune, your complete setup, how well you have taken care of your car, the dyno you test it on, the ambient temps, your intake air temps, the quality of fuel you are using and on and on and on.

[@dirk5950]

@@VancityAudi and the price of tea in China. You forgot that one.

[@JV-py3lg]

@@VancityAudi I’m guessing you’d recommend IE since you have them on your B8.

[@VancityAudi]

@@JV-py3lg abso-freakin'-lutely. IE's software and hardware has been amazing

[@burkeomatic7859]

I figured this out a while ago, unless you're spraying meth, don't go dual pulley. My A7 consistently got slower dragy times on dual pulley than single, with all supporting cooling upgrades aside from meth. Look at the compressor map for the blower, and you'll see exactly why.

[@VancityAudi]

This assumption is very incorrect. I ran no quicker than an 11.3 on single pulley running E30. Dual pulley on E40 netted me a 10.9. Without the weight reduction that would have been an 11.0 or 11.1. If you can manage your IAT's you will absolutely go quicker and faster with a DP setup vs a SP setup.

[@barrymcockner5850]

That manual car was impressive for stage 1. Lesson learned the cars with upper pullies usually slip and underperform anyway. Not worth it.

[@ramblor]

You mean lower pulley? The single pulley car had an upgraded crank pulley.

[@j.w.presents9552]

Manuals have less drivetrain loss my friend! Also, what makes you say that? I've a big 207mm crank pulley with no belt slip at all from day one. lol

[@wes8398]

@@j.w.presents9552 A larger LOWER pulley gives you MORE surface area for the belt to ride. = less chance of slippage. Barry is saying the SMALLER upper pulley - which results in LESS surface area for the belt to ride - seems to be problematic in that belt slip is an issue.

[@pklifter]

EPL racing's both contact email addresses both go undelivered. Anyone know what is up with that?

[@VancityAudi]

All I know is it is a small, relatively unknown company. I don't think they even have a website. Perhaps reach out to them on Facebook.

[@pklifter]

@@VancityAudi Yeah I used two emails from their website. Their certificate has expired and emails are bouncing back. Sounds EPL might have gone under.

[@bath1968]

Great video 😷👍 and 1st comment

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks

[@macrolosses]

I have a heavily modified A7 as well. Recently on some hard runs on the highway the tires will hop a little and the car just kills all power for a few seconds. Almost like a hesitation in the ignition. I'm pretty sure its over Torque warning but it could be the belt slipping.

[@eeiko321]

I’m not sure about the A6-7 or even the A4 S4 of North America But I do know the A4s where I live (either 4cyl T or V6 supercharged) equipped with the 7-spd DSG s-tronic has two stages of torque restrictions that need to be altered

[@GermanCRMZ]

The manual car did 404 hp on stage 1?? Wth I bought an S4 manual with stage 2 plus and test pipes at the auction. I haven't fixed the crashed doors, but I expect it to pull more than 500 hp I guess.

[@VancityAudi]

Every dyno will read differently. Plus you have to keep in mind that being a manual car, it went higher in the RPM than all the others. Superchargers need RPM to make power, so by reving it out higher than all the other cars it made more power. As for the 500hp simply go on a Dynojet or Dynocom dyno and you'll make way more power than these cars did.

[@xie.arw124]

wow

[@mastalee1776]

Too bad there isn't enough of the better looking brother the s5

[@VancityAudi]

I invited them. No one came out.

[@Redk00laid]

I wonder if any carbon buildup affected these numbers it would have been cool to ask them if they have done that service yet on their vehicle. I have a stag 2 B8.5 Manual and I feel like it’s not quick I’m at 85k miles

[@VancityAudi]

I personally don't think carbon build up affects horsepower ratings on a dyno as much as some people do. I think I'll have to do a video in the future to see if I'm right or not.

[@oxy6233]

How is a stage 1 producing 40HP more than a stage 2 car? That's insane.

[@VancityAudi]

As I mention multiple times in the video neither of the Stage 2 cars were running properly. The owners never logged them prior to dyno testing them and didn't realize they weren't running correctly.

[@oxy6233]

@@VancityAudi yeh I heard that, I was more impressed of the 400whp on the stage 1, that's what is meant by my comment. Apologies.

[@VancityAudi]

@@oxy6233 no need to apologize. Manual transmission B8's have less drivetrain loss then the DSG's do so it fell in line with what a properly operating Stage 1 car should make on 93 octane.

[@tvfish]

From my own experience. Auto trans have more whp loss then manual trans.

[@TheDarkhorse82]

DSG doesnt lose that much power over a manual tbh, like probably couldnt even measure it, the only loss is from the wet clutch.. also dsg cars are faster than a manual anyway... the ZF8 in the A7 is a normal automatic.

[@noob-ennings5316]

Did I catch a RWD??

[@VancityAudi]

No

[@EdA-bz3bu]

Yes modding cars is a black hole. Where money disappears.

[@rocavelli20]

To put down 400 on a stage 1 is quite impressive, but that aggressive timing may be questionable on straight pump gas

[@VancityAudi]

To this day it makes no sense to us whatsoever on how this was accomplished

[@rocavelli20]

@@VancityAudi 😂

[@daveblais4019]

Most likely was not on pump gas IMO. That kind of timing on pump gas - good luck.

[@rocavelli20]

@@daveblais4019 based on the fact that it was a manual car and fact that the torque is still pretty low, I think it truly is just a 93 file with some wild timing.

[@APRtube]

We don't have aggressive, or rather risky/dangerous timing on Stage 1 pump gas tunes. This is evident by the over 10 years of tuning 10's of thousands of these without issue. It's more likely the correct variable wasn't logged, or the resolution at which it was logged captured the moments after lifting. We're not doing anything magical here to achieve more ignition than race gas on pump gas and keep these engines alive.

[@peterklassen626]

Noice

[@Chrissssooooo]

But why this "stock tune" is less than the the stock car!? 😂 274hp?? Usually the S4/S5 are 333 hp

[@VancityAudi]

This dyno reads the horsepower at the wheels, not at the crank.

[@Mattmazz77]

Sooooo you drained everyone of the cars gas tanks and put shell 93 ? It's a little weird that the 6 speed made that much on only a stage 1 tune even though yes a manual has less drivetrain loss. It's funny how he said that it's completely stock except. 🤔

[@VancityAudi]

They each had been running Shell 93 for 2 to 3 weeks prior to this video to ensure their tanks had nothing but that fuel in them. It is very weird that the Manual car made so much power. I'm hoping to get an answer on why that was in upcoming videos.

[@Mattmazz77]

@@VancityAudi I have a 2013 A4 with the 6 speed manual with just a stage 1 Intergrated Engineering stage 1 tune. It's actually not running perfectly I'm thinking my injectors are clogged and possibly n75 valve, waste gate issue or something because it definitely will over boost. Find it hitting 25 psi plus if I don't regulate the throttle...lol. But even with the clogged injectors an over boosting it feels pretty quick. It's not fast by no means but quick if you know what I mean. Love Audi, and I hate Audi....lmfao. A beautiful manufacturer with very finicky machinery..lol.

[@joeszucs2190]

Are you guys way up in the mountains? Stock 2014 s4 should be over 300 HP stock. Only the a7 whined at all. And not even a screaming whine like the 600 HP s4 next door.

[@VancityAudi]

Every dyno reads differently. These are all done on a Mustang uncorrected dyno. It is reading horsepower at the wheels, not at the crank. We are at sea level and with a low DA.

[@joeszucs2190]

@@VancityAudi any of the duel pully setups should easily be nipping 500hp at sea level not crazy humidity not crazy temps.

[@VancityAudi]

@@joeszucs2190 again. This is at the wheels on an UNCORRECTED Mustang dyno. They read considerably lower than most other dynos like a Dynojet or Dynocom. My 10 second B8 S4 with a DP TB E40 setup managed 465whp on this dyno.

[@joeszucs2190]

@@VancityAudi around here most tuned s4 be in about the 10 sec range anything past duel pully be flat 10s or better. Mustang dyno is only 5 to 10% so has to be some other factor at play? Do you not have 93 in the area?

[@VancityAudi]

@@joeszucs2190 I can tell you have zero idea what you're talking about referencing the times B8/8.5 S4's are running considering the world record holder in the 1/4 mile is 10.2, lol. All the best to you. Thanks for watching.