AUDI B9 DYNO SHOWDOWN!!! (S4, S5 & SQ5)

[@VancityAudi]

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[@jdemara]

That SQ5 is a freakin monster!!!

[@VancityAudi]

Agreed!

[@dirt32278]

makes me wanna build mine 🤣🤣🤣🤣👌

[@Need4Built]

Awesome Dyno day video Adam! Thanks for having me and my TTE810 SQ5! Do wonder what this toaster sq5 would put down in the 1/4 mile…

[@VancityAudi]

Thank you for coming up from Seattle to participate!

[@behindthebuild8016]

Update us with some performance numbers! How’s the TTE810 drive is there much lag?

[@VancityAudi]

@@behindthebuild8016 he's the world's quickest SQ5 running a 10.1 at 133mph. performancebyie.com/blogs/ie-auto-blog/ie-powered-b9-sq5-sets-new-10-second-1-4-mile-world-record

[@Need4Built]

@@behindthebuild8016 I just ran a new world record, 10.1s @133mph in the 1/4 mile, a few days ago. I will be doing a video going deeper into the TTE810, but just telling you now, no the lag isn’t bad AT all. It’s absolutely perfect for daily driving. Yes it doesn’t spool as fast, but when the power hits, it hits HARD! My wife daily drives the SQ5 and she thoroughly enjoys it.

[@behindthebuild8016]

Amazing that’s great to hear. The dyno shows it hits full spool around 3000-3500rpm which is very quick

[@MikeMcclendon1377]

This is an awesome video. I have a B8.5 S5 manual & i love to see how the B9 generation has changed so much. These are some GREAT GAINS!!

[@VancityAudi]

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!

[@MikeMcclendon1377]

@@VancityAudi keep up the great content

[@VancityAudi]

​@MikeMcclendon1377 will do! If you haven't seen it yet, you may enjoy this video too! kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2GlnHeio8tlnaM

[@Koachise]

Leave it to Adam to deliver us the quality content we need. Good stuff big fella.

[@VancityAudi]

Thank you very much

[@jacknapier2099]

Another excellent video, looks like we going to the TTE810. Absolutely great numbers for a beta file.

[@VancityAudi]

Thank you

[@micksalfa1]

I think I’m going to stick at 93, E is a bit of a pain to get to, so the 93 run is of interest, I’m waiting for 034 to release the tune for the 810 and then I’ll jump.

[@Cuprone]

I loved today's video, I had a lot of fun. looking forward to seeing another dyno day with other participating brands, congratulations, this video was a great idea Cheers!

[@VancityAudi]

Thank you very much. Next week's features a Ford, Chevy, BMW and Dodge!!!

[@Andrew-qs5yo]

Appreciate this video, this was everything I needed to know, I just bought a B9.5 '22 S5 Sportback and looking for Stage 2 tune and this made it easier to decide on aftermarket manufacturers. I would like to see more dyno days comparing different tunes, I am especially interested in seeing anything on normal 93 Octane

[@VancityAudi]

Sadly these days prove difficult to organize because people are so flaky. The other thing is that locally most people are using IE because they see what I'm able to do with my car, so it's very hard to find people running other company's software that want to participate.

[@Sle3p520]

My absolute favorite videos you do. Love hearing the mod list and diff B9’s you’re testing. Really puts into perspective how these cars respond to diff tunes and mods. These are easily the most sleeper Audi’s out there right now. They’ll turn some heads for sure 👍🏼 would be awesome if you showed these dyno numbers and then all of you guys went to the strip after but I understand how hard that would be to set up!

[@VancityAudi]

Agreed, that would be a very cool idea. I've done it with other cars on the channel and it is extremely hard to organize. If I can do it again though I will.

[@MrAltaylor44]

That TTE810 looking good

[@VancityAudi]

Agreed!

[@KenyonPayne]

I love the exhaust note of these turbo 3.0s, I think I've almost moved on from the old s/c3.0s!

[@VancityAudi]

Move on ASAP if you can. They are better cars overall with much greater potential for power, plus they are more reliable.

[@MeatloafMelvin]

Yup, going 810 on my S4.

[@HuckThis1971]

Nice videos, but my heart 💓 loves the 5 cylinders. Just sold my 1994 UrS4 this summer and is now in Winnipeg. Sky is the limit with the 5 bangers!

[@Tyler_Flynn28]

They all sounded good

[@visionaryfirearmsllc9999]

Sq5 is sick but man it doesn't sound as good as the S5 and 4

[@giovannimalek9211]

You gotta get the 810! Can’t imagine you not hitting 9’s with the 810

[@VancityAudi]

I would imagine the exact same thing 😉

[@seussyyy]

Bruh sq5 who would’ve thought

[@darrinscoilsclouds1498]

just orderd a tte810 for fathersday/birthday🎉🤘

[@VancityAudi]

Congrats!

[@МаксимВоронин-ы9ж]

What's sq5 1/4 time?

[@VancityAudi]

He's the world's quickest SQ5 at 10.1 at 133mph. performancebyie.com/blogs/ie-auto-blog/ie-powered-b9-sq5-sets-new-10-second-1-4-mile-world-record

[@aleks_1998]

unitronic stage 1 seems interesting. I had just purchased a s5 b9 10 days ago and im already looking at various tuners. I see 034 is up there with Apr/IE. If you had to rank them for a stage one or two build for cost/value or even for reliability is there a ranking you have?

[@VancityAudi]

I've only used IE on my B9 so that's all I can speak to for driving experience. I've seen logs of a bunch of different brands though and Uni definitely appears like it has the best curve and is the most linear. I would assume that most Stage 1 pump gas tunes are all going to perform extremely similarly seeing as each company bases that software off of a completely stock car. For this platform Stage 2 stuff doesn't make you anymore horsepower regardless of what the tuners advertise so don't buy into their BS. I have yet to ever see proof of it. All Stage 2 does is grant you more torque when you use an aftermarket downpipe.

[@abdulambon5148]

I’ve been following you for awhile and randomly stumbled across @need4bulits channel, and I love how you’ve been making videos with him! I both builds and I aspire to get a B9 chassis Audi in the future.

[@abdulambon5148]

I currently own a B8 S5 with the 4.2 and a 6 speed but I’ve done everything I can to make it faster/better. I have almost all the JHM upgrades for the 4.2 except for the exhaust. I have test pipes with a X-Pipe but stock mufflers, it was wayyy too loud with test pipes lol.

[@VancityAudi]

Dave from Need4Built has been a long time subscriber of mine and when he shared with me that he was going to go full tilt in his wife's SQ5 I knew it would be a lot of fun to meet up and make some videos together.

[@shady12222]

Good video Adam !! Really making it hard for me to keep the b8.5 but I just love the car ! This video does make me wonder what my car would do on a dynojet (I know I know just curious ) she made 485 on a mustang calibration 85 and muggy out with a since fixed lpfp

[@VancityAudi]

Do you know if those numbers were corrected for the weather conditions? I remember my B8 making 465whp in good conditions on our local Mustang dyno which converted to 535whp Dynojet.

[@jackweisenburger]

Be cool to see an 034 tune, I've heard good things about their tune. Also are all test vehicles running a trans tune?

[@VancityAudi]

I know the Unitronic car wasn't. I'm also pretty sure the Stage 1 E85 car wasn't. It wouldn't matter anyways on a dyno. With or without an actual TCU tune wouldn't change the results.

[@jackweisenburger]

@@VancityAudi converter lockup, line pressure and many other transmission control functions can absolutely impact power numbers. I'm not saying for a fact it would here, but it's possible. Just seems like something that should be mentioned with the mods. I'm pretty sure with 034 tune, the trans tune is included and is optional with other tuning companies. Love the videos BTW, great comparisons and solid info

[@VancityAudi]

@That Audi Guy It doesn't change any power figures on the dyno by not having a full-fledged TCU tune. With any IE ECU tune, they provide a TCU torque unlock tune to enable all of the power to be unlocked. It's a free TCU tune that just unlocks the torque. Unlike a full meal deal TCU tune they sell that provides additional benefits like launch control and AMAX. The Uni tuned car utilizes an ECU hack to ensure all of the torque is available.

[@dimopetkov2913]

Adam, compare his dyno next to your's to see the spool difference between 710 and 810 turbos :)

[@VancityAudi]

Perhaps in an upcoming video.

[@margarinic]

Hey man, I’m glad I’ve run into your channel after buying my B9 S4 a couple of weeks ago. Great content! Question, what kind of supporting mods do you have on the B9? Mounts, inserts, valve springs etc. I’m thinking about running the car eventually, but I want to get the supporting mods out of the way first

[@VancityAudi]

Every single mod that has been done to my car has a video of its own on the channel. If you just want a list and that's it, then here you go: vancityaudi.com/faqs-2018-audi-s4

[@dylan4972]

Dynojet numbers are mad high

[@VancityAudi]

Check out what IE advertises for their whp ratings of the E70 tune with a TTE810 and then look at the SQ5's dyno results 😉 performancebyie.com/collections/ecu-software-tunes/products/ie-audi-3-0t-turbocharged-performance-ecu-tune-fits-2017-2020-b9-s4-s5

[@oemtam]

Great compare and make one wonder if TTE has some work to do on the 710 looking at the 810 chart and the issues you had with back pressure.

[@VancityAudi]

I've been told that I'm the only person to have ever experienced this issue outside of when IE pushed their own in-house turbo past what 99% of people would experience. We'll see if the changes I make in the future remedy my situation.

[@adventurer4188]

Does your dyno account for hot vs cold? We have a dynojet but supposedly it corrects lamda & DA numbers Just curious if my stage 1 E85 file will make more dyno power when it finally gets colder here

[@VancityAudi]

The numbers shown on my channel on this dyno are always uncorrected. If we wanted to, we could show you corrected numbers, but I'm not a fan of that.

[@HuckThis1971]

Only thing I don't like about ethanol is the lower BTU/volume vs gasoline. Ethanol has a higher octane value so you can crank up the boost more and not get knock. More boost = more heat generated by compressed air. To me heat isn't good. Why you are getting valve float with higher boost. Springs can't overcome the pressure in intake.

[@VancityAudi]

Or you could think of it as ethanol is excellent at cooling the air that is injected into the engine resulting in longer spark plug life and fewer combustion deposits.

[@Mach1daddy]

Adam can you do a video about the cold start issues you were having while running ethanol?

[@VancityAudi]

It's honestly not really video worthy. Ethanol and cold weather don't mix. It's best to switch to a pump gas tune during the winter months to prevent that from happening.

[@behindthebuild8016]

I’m surprised the SQ5 only does 110kph in 4th compared to the 170kph for the b9 S4/S5. Looks like there was still slight waves in the top end too.

[@VancityAudi]

The SQ5 was in MPH. All of the other cars were in KPH.

[@markburton1404]

Adam, Isn't Valve Float caused by weak valve springs at high RPM's? Your RPM's were not over 6K, so how could VF be your issue? Please explain. Thank you.

[@VancityAudi]

This is what was explained to me: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXepZ6pvZtqLY6s

[@ktakashismith]

What do you think the issue is with the stage 2 S5's lumpy power delivery? Downpipe+midpipes causing overboosting down low? Really liked the look of the dyno graph of that first car, that's a seriously fat powerband.

[@VancityAudi]

I honestly don't know. My car's dyno graph on IE's Stage 1 93 tune looked very different. I'm confident it has nothing to do with the downpipe and midpipes though.

[@LeCatCation]

What is expected from Stage 1 IE E85 tune, in respect to WHP and WTQ?

[@VancityAudi]

It says on their website: performancebyie.com/collections/ecu-software-tunes/products/ie-audi-3-0t-turbocharged-performance-ecu-tune-fits-2017-2020-b9-s4-s5

[@baidefeng3139]

What's the ambient temp?

[@VancityAudi]

You can see the ambient temp of all of the vehicles on the dash of each car when I show the gauges.

[@keenansealy]

I had the same issue before with the PCV on high boost, it’s more than likely the breather valve connected to the PCV. Would blow my old cap off because of a defective valve. Check it and let me know. I also have a thread on Audi world forum.

[@VancityAudi]

They replaced the PCV and still had an issue so they then ordered the breather valve.

[@keenansealy]

@@VancityAudi yeah it’s a hundred percent that. I was probably the first person to have this issue because no dealer or forum online ever seen this happen. Recently helped someone in the forum fix theirs. A check valve In the breather goes bad and boost returns into the pcv. I diagnosed and fixed this issues myself. Hope it didn’t cost you to much.

[@VancityAudi]

@@keenansealy didn't cost me a dime. Wasn't my car, haha.

[@robertofranco4515]

@@VancityAudi please keep me posted on this if Yoshi fixes it. My car has the exact same issue. I replaced the crankcase breather hose and that helped but didn’t fix it completely. I have now ordered the pcv as well as a different hose that runs under the turbo *fingers crossed*

[@robertofranco4515]

@@keenansealy Keenan Lemme know your thoughts on my situation

[@giovannimalek9211]

What do you mean when you say the cold start issues in the winter while running ethanol?

[@VancityAudi]

If you live in a cold climate and you're in winter time, your car may have a hard time starting on cold starts while running high ethanol content blends.

[@giovannimalek9211]

@@VancityAudi ok thanks. I ask because I’m in New Jersey and it’s been pretty cold and I’ve tried E85 (also IE tuned) and the cold starts have been weird, for example the rpm’s have been jumping between 1000-1500 while letting the car get warm

[@VancityAudi]

@@giovannimalek9211 as a general rule of thumb ethanol and cold temps don't mix. If you want to help your car out lower your content to E60 rather than E85. You'll get all the same performance, it will start better and be easier on your fuel system.

[@ibeecarefree]

Hey Adam thanks for the great content. Quick question; what does the "plus" mean when saying, "stage 3 plus" Also, out of all your Audi's, which is/was your favorite? Thanks.

[@VancityAudi]

The + just refers to what IE has called their tunes. Stage 3 is just with a turbo upgrade, and a full bolt on setup. No fueling upgrades though. Then if you add a HPFP and 4bar MAP sensors you can run the Stage 3+ tunes. Then they max out the turbo with the Stage 3+ w/ Injectors tune which is what both the SQ5 and I are running. Everything is explained on their website: performancebyie.com/collections/ecu-software-tunes/products/ie-audi-3-0t-turbocharged-performance-ecu-tune-fits-2017-2020-b9-s4-s5 My favourite Audi I've owned is by far my RS3. So much faster than anything else and much more enjoyable to drive and listen to.

[@ibeecarefree]

@@VancityAudi You the man!! Thanks for the thorough explanation! RS3 here I come! Much love.

[@c8_s6]

would there be a reason why the first owner is running dp with stage 1 +? Ik unitronic doesnt offer stage 2 but wouldn’t that mess with back pressure n whatnot

[@VancityAudi]

No. As you can see in the video the car works just fine with the upgraded catted downpipe. He's simply waiting for Uni to drop their Stage 2 software so he can upgrade, that's all. Downpipes do VERY little for performance on this platform when using a stock turbo. This was demonstrated in this video and even more specifically in this one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIDSqH1vbpKGe68

[@sainttrill1165]

The dash says RSQ5, but the rear only says SQ5. So which one is it?

[@VancityAudi]

It's an SQ5.

[@burtonboy214]

Adam, do you know why the first guy was still running stage 1 when had a DP installed?

[@VancityAudi]

Because Uni doesn't have an available Stage 2 file yet

[@kadeemmeggett6324]

Can u dyno Audi 1.8ts

[@VancityAudi]

Perhaps one day in the future

[@tombrown9246]

Any thought about adding someone with a JB4?

[@VancityAudi]

I asked for everything under the moon to join me on this event and this is all the people I could gather.

[@tombrown9246]

@@VancityAudi love your videos!

[@VancityAudi]

@@tombrown9246 Thanks for your support!

[@bdez1259]

How is the turbo lag with the TTE turbos? Looks like full torque around 3500rpm? Are you guys getting smoked by impatient soccer moms off the line if you aren’t paying attention?

[@VancityAudi]

When you first upgrade from a stock turbo it's extremely noticeable because the stock turbo spools so incredibly quickly and provides so much torque really down low. With that said you completely forget what the old driving experience was like after you have driven the car with the TTE710 for a couple weeks. You don't notice the lag at all once you have some seat time. All it requires is a little more throttle application than you needed with a stock turbo and you get WAY more power in return.

[@jerl5139]

How much would it cost to get my SQ5 that much H.P

[@VancityAudi]

Roughly this much: vancityaudi.com/faqs-2018-audi-s4

[@jerl5139]

@@VancityAudi thanx

[@IainB]

Can you explain why at the beginning of the video you said that the cold air and high density were good for the cars and they should make more power (which obviously makes sense) but when you're car dyno'd you said those same atmo conditions were causing a lack of power in your car? I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm honestly curious. Am I misunderstanding? EDIT: Oh, i had to watch a few more seconds. LOL, you said it's the valve float. Nevermind! The @Need4Built SQ5 is a monster. #sq5represent!

[@VancityAudi]

Glad the extra few seconds paid off!

[@IainB]

@@VancityAudi That's what she said?

[@84collection]

@Adam - This is probs a silly question but the torque figures shown. Are they at the wheels like the horsepower or are they crank? Eg yours is making around 700hp and 612lb or is it 700hp and 700lb? Reason I’m asking is that 034 for example quote a stage 2 93 at 476 crank hp and 576 torque but all the dyno results I see are never making more than 500ish torque? Sorry if this is a stupid question lol

[@VancityAudi]

Don't apologize! Not a dumb question at all. The figures you see on 034's website are more than likely their best case scenario dyno figures at the crank where as these numbers are at the wheels and have not been corrected for the great weather conditions we experienced. The IE Stage 2 93 car in this video would be roughly 458hp & 568lb/ft at the crank after adding roughly the drivetrain loss that I take into consideration. That would put it right in the place it is supposed to be according to IE's claimed 446hp & 548lb-ft. As for my car, it isn't making anywhere near 700hp as you can see by my results. I was making roughly 655hp & 675lb-ft on that day's runs.

[@84collection]

Thanks for clearing that up in my little brain. It seems the US tunes work for higher torque whereas the UK tuners seem to go for HP. My S4 is Stage2 but only around 510lb torque at crank and you can really tell that in higher gears it’s lacking. Think it’s time to try the US tunes now 👍🏻 thanks again for replying so quickly. Love your videos

[@VancityAudi]

@@84collection I'm not sure where you read US tunes VS UK tunes make different power figures. That statement is incorrect. How are you determining how much torque your car makes?

[@84collection]

No sorry, I may have worded that badly. I mean, the tuners over here for their stage 2 setups are going with 500hp and 516lb at the crank which is what mine is apparently running but whenever I look at the other tunes available like IE and 034 they tend to produce around 450-475hp and 550-580lb crank which I think will drive way better than mine purely because of the higher torque? I’d rather lose a few hp to gain that torque. Well at least I think it will be better?

[@VancityAudi]

@@84collection ah, I see. For daily driving that really high peak torque down low is great. With that said though I enjoy going as fast as possible and you need more horsepower for that. With that said I'm not sure I understand how the UK tuners are supposedly getting 50hp more out of a stock turbo than the US based tuners. I call bullsh$t. Do you happen to have a link you could share with me showing those claims?