We Got a Steam Tank! - Knight Commander #1 SOVL - Difficulty 5 - Warhammer Tabletop Roguelike

[@iatebambismom]

Imperials: We have a steam tank! Ratkin: We are team stank!

[@lazygrouse]

Haha, that's gold!

[@Temeluchas]

On "Full Steam vs Steam Gun": The boiler produces a certain volume of steam, some directed into the engine and some into the gun. Or it can all be directed into the engine. Theoretically, it can also be redirected into the gun, but a) it is unknown whether the gun can handle it, b) whether it will actually increase the gun's effectiveness and c) game balance. Since boilers increase pressure slowly, we can be pretty sure that the Steam Tank's boiler is running at max capacity during the entire battle.

[@lazygrouse]

@@Temeluchas I guess that makes sense. My thinking is that it is not going on max at all times, so full steam would be put everything on max so you could go faster and shoot more. But your way also makes sense.

[@anonarat]

Upgraded Radiant Shield gives an extra use, however only Magic lords can get spell upgrades (so not available for the knight commander). I mathed it out a while ago: the +1 Hit for auto-hit weapons is better than Re-roll 1s for auto-hit weapons until you are rolling 3 dice, where it's equal. Functionally this means that only the Dwarf inferno cannon can pick either without it affecting the result. (Rerolling 1s adds 1/3 per dice to the average roll, so 2 dice increases the number of hits by 2/3 on average compared to the straight +1)

[@lazygrouse]

@@anonarat Really, I didn't know that. I thought I was just unlucky with the upgrades when I had spells with melee Lords. That makes me prefer casters even more. Nice, then I don't have to actually math it. It is as I expected then, +1 is better, but reroll feels better because you get a second chance on 1s. Thanks! :)

[@not-skaven]

Imagine being lucky and obtaining a dwarf engineer in one of the random events (though does +2 defense help a 7 defense unit?)

[@lazygrouse]

That would be awesome, a bit overkill, but awesome. The only upside I can think is at defence 9 (damn) it would still have a 2+ to save against a charging T-rex which is pretty badass, and it would have a 3+ against a cannon which I imagine is the tanks hard counter normally (besides halberds who would still be 4+).

[@garrhettroebuck8402]

I actually got one on my run with the Tank. I just always ended up putting his buff on his helicopter he came with because 2 def 7 units seemed better than 1 def 9 and 1 def 5. Plus, the helicopter can got the reroll saves rune and the rerolling 1s for the ranged attack isn't that great on the steam gun.

[@aic7tube]

Upgraded Wildform give you +4 attacks instead of +2. But it gives you two charges of each version so you have a total of 4 cases as well. it's quite nice ofr a character who is mostly in melee....

[@lazygrouse]

@@aic7tube Right, I forgot that you get to keep the old one. Still think I prefer the others but that does make it better.

[@aic7tube]

@@lazygrouse Well it's not very intuitive since in most cases you only get the upgraded version :)

[@CarnevalCario]

tripple fight early ensures, that your commander lvl-up and have maybe the recuiter trait when you buy your first unit

[@lazygrouse]

@@CarnevalCario That's a good point too. Really annoying when you don't get it though.

[@CarnevalCario]

​@@lazygrouse yes that is annoying, but not leveling up garantees that you don't get it... in my last runs i got it 9 out of 10 times. it could be luck but i thing there is a higher chance to get the trait over some others

[@lazygrouse]

@@CarnevalCario Oh, for sure. If I can, I always go 3 fight to guarantee a unit in the first shop and if I'm lucky I get the trait on the lord because I think it's the best skill for any lord early game.

[@heirofcarnage1782]

3:25 now I want a rendition of the Little Mermaid with a steam tank XD

[@lazygrouse]

I'd watch that!

[@GTrevise]

Surprised you didn't even consider eagle aspect for the fire lizard. They have very mediocre range

[@lazygrouse]

I mostly just want it to be better at shooting because we have so much mobility to support it, so it shouldn't have to worry about getting close as long as we support it with our cav and flying lord.

[@GTrevise]

@lazygrouse Oh, I definitely agree with the final choice. Would have been interesting to make it into a longer ranged fighter though

[@lazygrouse]

@GTrevise I don't think eagle is bad, if I get offered it again I might take it.

[@roland228]

I'm sure that you being able to purchase the Firelizard was a bug. Hmm, you might have been able to purchase the Giant, assuming the same bug applied to the Giant as it did to the Firelizard.

[@lazygrouse]

@@roland228 It does seem like a bug, I don't think I should have been able to buy it, and if I can I should probably go negative in money.

[@roland228]

I thought the Elven Enclaves were meant to represent both the Dark and High Elves in this game on account of the alternative skins of the Elven Enclaves characters (the shirtless, dark skinned elven sorceress comes most readily to mind) and the Elven ballista wearing rather dark looking armor.

[@lazygrouse]

Oh yeah, that's true. I guess these are darker elves instead of just dark elves. But I think it's good that they split them since I want monsters with my elves so I'm super happy with this.

[@scelonferdi]

Also I'm not similar how they are going to distinguish them besides hydras and Witch Elves. In Warhammer many units of High and Dark Elves are very similar and Sovl has lower granularity in unit specialisation.

[@lazygrouse]

@scelonferdi We will see when they come, they will probably be fairly similar but with more monsters is my guess.

[@seangallagher9435]

It’s because they use ai artwork there’s no real cohesive art design

[@raffaeleparise6321]

He's starting to believe! Steam tanks and pistoliers are my absolute favourite units in Warhammer

[@lazygrouse]

@@raffaeleparise6321 Haha, steam tanks and outriders are my favorite units in the Empire in Warhammer, my problem is the humans part. :p

[@benjaminlamey3591]

+5 range on the lizard, is huge, it is pretty much 30% more. that clearly improves one of their weak point.

[@lazygrouse]

@@benjaminlamey3591 It is pretty good. But we got so much mobility that I'm not too worried about getting a bit close with the lizard, so I prioritized damage.

[@benjaminlamey3591]

@@lazygrouse true that it is the only "artillerie" that can move and shoot at the same time.but for the first shot, it is nice to have better range and also more range for the better quality shot.

[@lazygrouse]

@benjaminlamey3591 Oh definitely, the range would have been good and may have given us an extra shot some fights, hard to tell though which would have been better.

[@perfidy1103]

The Steam Tank is cool, but I think my favorite new unit are the not-Dragon Princes. They give not-Chaos Knights a run for their money (not as many attacks, but extra Skill and reroll attacks, plus faster move). Obviously not going to compare to Chaos Knights with some good gifts, but they've carried several of my elven playthroughs now.

[@lazygrouse]

@@perfidy1103 I haven't tested them yet, but they sound sweet, some good heavy cav is some of my favorites in this game.

[@stryke-jn3kv]

I had no idea there had been a patch so after finishing a run and going back to the start to work out what to do next seeing the new not-Dark Elves today before this was uploaded was a real 'wait, what?' moment. Still hoping for pikes next.

[@lazygrouse]

@@stryke-jn3kv Yeah, I wasn't ready for it either. I was planning to start the next run but saw there had been an update with a new faction so I obviously had to play that, but then they weren't even out yet.

[@chefyboy2748]

👍

[@sharkforce8147]

If you send the steam to the engine, you aren't sending it to the cannon though... edit: also, "I think I can" is the little engine that could, not Thomas ;)

[@lazygrouse]

@@sharkforce8147 Well I just figure they start producing more steam since it's full steam ahead, so there would be more steam to get rid of. Right, I don't know my kids train show lore anymore. :p

[@Random-World-Eater]

Vart är mina chaos krigare??:(

[@lazygrouse]

@@Random-World-Eater Juste, glömde. Dom kommer snart.

[@scelonferdi]

The re-rolls as an upgrade and the ability of the knight commander are sadly a case of somewhat failed game design.

[@lazygrouse]

@@scelonferdi Yeah, it's a bit of unfortunate redundancy. But it makes for an easy decision if you get offered a mount.